Travel, Hot Takes, and Weddings with Joe & Serena | Happy Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour – "Travel, Hot Takes, and Weddings with Joe & Serena"

Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour
Hosts: Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt
Date: November 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

This Thanksgiving-themed episode features Bachelor in Paradise newlyweds Joe Amabile and Serena Pitt in an intimate, co-host-only Q&A special. The pair reflect on their recent whirlwind of travels—to Scotland, South Korea, and Japan—share candid takes on marathon mishaps and wedding etiquette, answer burning fan questions, and offer a rare peek into their approach to holidays, anniversaries, and Bachelor Nation hot takes. The tone is playful, honest, and full of the couple’s signature wit and gentle ribbing, making for a lively, behind-the-scenes catch-up with two of Bachelor Nation’s most beloved alumni.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Recent Travels: Scotland, South Korea & Japan (04:25-09:10)

• Scotland: Joe loved St. Andrews—“the Mecca of golf”—and the couple spent a quick, stormy 24 hours exploring Edinburgh (“like a pocket of London” - Joe, 05:38). Serena was charmed by Scotland despite it not having been on her bucket list.
• Cultural Tastes: Joe braved haggis (“It had that gamey flavor... I just don’t love lamb” - Joe, 07:20); Serena chickened out.
• Japan & Korea: Tokyo stood out most (“If I was going to go back to one of them right now, I would choose Tokyo”—Serena, 08:23). Seoul was challenging due to Serena’s nut allergy, but the Four Seasons Seoul was a highlight hotel for both.
• Travel Food Anxiety: Serena detailed tips for navigating food allergies abroad—using translation cards, prepping with apps, and printing allergy notices via Canva. “Just doing everything I can to be...conscientious of it, bringing my EpiPens, trusting the people that are telling me there’s no nuts. And if I don’t trust where we are, we don’t feel safe, Joe and I will leave a restaurant.” (10:04)

2. Marathon Mishap: Blisters & Lessons Learned (11:04-13:37)

• Joe recapped his latest marathon, relishing the event itself but suffering from intense blisters due to new gear. “For like five days I could barely walk” (12:03).
• Lesson: Don’t use new products/runners; keep it simple and prep with Vaseline.
• Serena suspected his Garmin dying at mile 18 might have derailed him, but Joe insisted, “I need to run more 20-mile runs prior to the marathon.” (13:09)

3. Q&A Lightning Round: Holidays, Anniversaries, and More

Gift Giving & Holiday Traditions (18:38, 33:49)

• Serena is obsessed with finding the perfect gift and starts her shopping early—“I’ve got my list and I've checked it twice, probably three times.” (19:03 / 34:15)
• Joe, in contrast, prefers last-minute “festive” shopping and only decorates after Thanksgiving.
• Both emphasize the “personal touch” and enjoyment in the search for gifts.

Anniversary Celebration Style (19:35-20:37)

• Their anniversary is often marked by a trip rather than a big event: “The day of for us is—like—not as big of a deal. We don’t do anything crazy.” (19:53)
• Joe gifted Serena a necklace during a low-key evening at her parents’ home.

Vow Renewals & Weddings (20:52-29:00)

• Neither prioritize vow renewals, but Serena would consider a big party at 30 years (“I feel like we do a good job throughout the year... so when it comes down to the anniversary, we just want to be together and hang out and chill.” – Serena, 21:27).
• Wedding guest advice: It’s less pressure when neither know other guests (“I actually prefer it much more when we both don’t know anybody...”—Joe, 24:03).
• Attire do’s & don’ts: “Just follow what you’re told: don’t wear white... there’s a million other colors you could wear.” (Serena, 26:49) Joe questions the confusion: “No one’s going to confuse me for the bride...” (27:13), but Serena stresses the “respect” of tradition.

4. Relationship & Dating Insights

• Both reject generic advice for singles (“I hate this blanketed advice that people just give that should apply to everyone. Everyone’s different.” – Joe, 29:09).
• On making post-show relationships last: “Prioritizing your relationship... for at least the first six months right after the show...”—Serena, (41:50). Joe adds, “I do think there’s an element of luck... that you fit together and it works.” (42:08)

5. Bachelor Nation Hot Takes and Fun Questions

• Serena prefers compelling seasons to lasting couples: “I care way more about what happens on camera during the season... I could forego the relationship” (37:52)
• Joe’s “hot take”: “If you receive the first impression rose, you need to get the first date, period.” (38:31)
• On who from outside the franchise should be Bachelor, Joe picks Dylan Efron; Serena throws out Gleb from Dancing with the Stars and floats the idea of crossovers from other Hulu shows (44:37).
• Dream Bachelor date? Both crave more originality and real challenges, like learning new skills (“Have them garden together. I’d rather watch that than see another helicopter date.” – Joe, 46:14/46:30). Serena imagines a “local job” day inspired by The Simple Life.

6. Memorable Quotes & Playful Banter

• On Joe’s marathon injury:
  “The blood in my socks was like... this is terrible.” — Joe, 12:03

• On relationship advice for singles:
  “Give me 20 things about yourself and then I can maybe give you advice.” — Joe, 30:22

• On wedding fashions:
  “Your only job when you show up to a wedding is to not wear white and to follow the dress attire.” — Serena, 27:16

• On ‘villains’ in the franchise:
  “I think Queen Victoria is, like, so iconic as a Bachelor villain.” — Serena, 48:45
  “She [Shanae from Clayton’s season] was really doubling down in all her interviews after. That is way more fun for me than seeing them go on an apology tour.” — Serena, 49:33

• On their 10-year projection:
  “Hopefully I’m a member at a country club.” — Joe, 50:13
  “So far so good, you know—we’re four years in, knock on wood, I think we can make another 10.” — Serena, 50:24

7. Notable Moments

• The couple’s playful admission that neither is a great “active listener”—leading to ongoing ribbing about who should read fan questions (04:40-05:17, 22:15-22:43).
• Serena’s passionate stance on wedding attire traditions, countered by Joe’s eye-rolling skepticism (26:07-28:52).
• The couple’s nonchalant approach to anniversaries and refusal to sweat big “milestones” (20:52-21:27).
• Reflection that their successful relationship is partly about compatibility and partly luck—plus a lot of transparency post-show (41:50-43:25).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Travel Experiences & Food Restrictions: 04:25–11:01
• Marathon Recap: 11:04–13:37
• Anniversary & Wedding Q&A: 19:35–29:00
• Relationship & Dating Advice: 29:03–30:40
• Bachelor Hot Takes: 36:40–49:42
• Looking 10 Years Ahead: 49:46–51:04

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Tone and Closing Thoughts

The conversation is fast, witty, and occasionally self-deprecating, with the chemistry and authenticity that Bachelor Happy Hour fans have come to love. Both Joe and Serena are candid about their quirks—their disinterest in ceremony, their imperfect communication, and their real-life travel and relationship mishaps—making for a refreshing, relatable listen.

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Notable Closing Quote:
“We don’t know where we’re gonna be in five months... hopefully we’re having so much fun and making good money and we’re healthy and we’re in love.” — Serena, (50:41-50:48)

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For the Bachelor fan and the casually curious alike, this episode is an honest window into real couple life after reality TV—with all its travel tales, tough love advice, and no-holds-barred hot takes.

Transcript

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Serena]

I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list.

[Joe]

Checked it twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Serena]

I can't help it, you know. I love finding the Perfect gifts. And Walmart has all the top brands. Nespresso, Sonos, Nintendo.

[Joe]

Nintendo at Walmart. Who knew?

[Serena]

I know. And more.

[Joe]

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[Serena]

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[Joe]

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor happy Hour. I'm Joe.

[Serena]

And I'm Serena.

[Joe]

And this is the week of thanks Thanksgiving. So we are going to do a little special episode, just Serena and I answering some questions and talking for 30 minutes. You guys ready?

[Serena]

Buckle up, everyone. It's just me and Joe today.

[Joe]

That's right. Well, we got, you know, we got a lot to talk about. We've. We've done a lot over the past couple months. I feel like we've been traveling every goddamn minute.

[Serena]

Yeah. We spent a lot of time at the airports, and as much as I'm grateful, I am tired.

[Joe]

Yeah. I don't know why I had to swear so much there. It was very.

[Serena]

So aggressive.

[Joe]

I just came in hot. Jesus. Okay, so do you want to ask the first one or how do you want to do this?

[Serena]

Yeah, we got a couple fan questions here. We have a list in front of us, so I think we'll just fly through them and see how many we get through.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Ready?

[Joe]

Yeah. I mean, you didn't really answer my question.

[Serena]

What was your question?

[Joe]

Do you want. I didn't ask. How are we doing this? I said, you want to go first.

[Serena]

My sister says I need to be better at active listening. I think I'm a pretty good active listener, but sometimes my thoughts overpower the Question. Which I guess is the definition of being a bad active listener, actually.

[Joe]

Yeah, you do actually have to be a better active listener. I've actually been noticing that too.

[Serena]

Really?

[Joe]

Yeah. I mean, I just. I mean, you're just totally blown past what I asked, you know.

[Serena]

I know. I'm sorry.

[Joe]

You know, you gotta. You know, you're. You're smaller. So you see, so you're. You're chattier.

[Serena]

Oh, is that how it works? I'm so little, I just can't stop talking.

[Joe]

Point across.

[Serena]

Please re. Ask your question, and I swear I'll listen this time.

[Joe]

Do you want to go first?

[Serena]

Yes.

[Joe]

Okay, here we go.

[Serena]

Okay. So the first question that we have was, how was your trip to Scotland? As well as our trip to Seoul and Osaka and Tokyo? Let's start with Scotland.

[Joe]

Yeah, Scotland's great. I love Scotland. I mean, St. Andrews. It's like if you. If you. If you love golf. St. Andrews is like the Mecca of. It's like the capital, the. The start of golf, it feels like. So that place was great. And I will say we were able to spend, like, 24 hours in Edinburgh, which I would love to go back because I really liked Edinburgh. It was. It's like a little. It seemed to me like a pocket of London.

[Serena]

I agree.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Yeah. St. Andrews was actually Scotland in general, I guess. Wasn't really somewhere that was majorly on my bucket list. Not for any specific reason. Just. It just wasn't that high up there on my desirable destinations. But St. Andrews. We weren't together a ton in St. Andrews because you were working a lot. But it was so quaint. It was so beautiful. The people were so friendly. And I did get to walk nine holes with you on that one golf course, and I was having a blast.

[Joe]

Yeah. I will say, though, the. The. What is it? Haggis. The sausage.

[Serena]

Yeah, I checked. So if you don't know, I'm a fan. Maybe you don't want to know, but we're gonna tell you. It's like stomach intestines or like stomach lining, isn't it?

[Joe]

Something like. Something. Something along those lines.

[Serena]

Yeah. Of like a cow. So I chickened out. I didn't try it, but one of the guys that we were there with who is from Scotland, was like, there's different forms of trying haggis, and the best one is when they're, like, fried into little deep fried balls. What'd you try, like a scramble? It was in your burrito.

[Joe]

Yeah, it was just like, in my burrito.

[Serena]

What kind of flavor was it?

[Joe]

You know?

[Serena]

Or was it the texture?

[Joe]

It wasn't the texture. It's more. It was just. I don't love lamb and it had it like, it had that.

[Serena]

Oh like a gamey flavor.

[Joe]

At least that's kind of what I.

[Serena]

Maybe I would have liked it then. And then. Yeah. We were only in Edinburgh for like just under 24 hours. We had crazy weather in Edinburgh. Like it was windy, it was downpouring rain. We were trying to be so brave walking around the city and seeing it. And then after a while we just had to call it quits cuz it was. It was wild trying to be so brave. I will say though, we're trying to be so brave. We're like, it's okay. You know, we got our jackets on, we got our umbrellas like it. So what? Like we'll get a little wet, but no, we got a lot wet.

[Joe]

The shoem was really good though.

[Serena]

I love the show is so good. I love the shoom so much.

[Joe]

Okay. And then like we don't have to break down every aspect of the age of trip but like out of. I would say out of Seoul, Osaka in Tokyo. What was your favorite?

[Serena]

Probably Tokyo.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

If I was going to go back to one of them right now, I would choose Tokyo just because I feel like there's so much to see. Like we were there for five days but I could go do, I could go do another five days and have a totally new experience. Osaka, we were there for two and I feel like we saw it. Not that I wouldn't go back, I would still recommend it. And Seoul soul I loved but it was a little bit hard with the cuisine and my nut allergy and the language barrier.

[Joe]

I will say though, the four seasons in Seoul was probably my favorite hotel.

[Serena]

Me too.

[Joe]

I love that place.

[Serena]

It was incredible.

[Joe]

That is the highlight of my trip.

[Serena]

The four seasons in Seoul.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Your favorite part about travel really is staying at nice hotels.

[Joe]

Nice hotels. What am I going to do?

[Serena]

I don't blame you. Do me.

[Joe]

Sue me.

[Serena]

I like nice hotels. Sue me.

[Joe]

Serena, what advice do you have to anyone traveling with dietary restrictions? Expected that question.

[Serena]

Okay, well, as you guys know, I just mentioned I have a severe nut allergy. My go to is to I usually use like a translator app or chatgpt works great and I translate like something very simple of just like I have a severe nut allergy. Please do not serve me nuts of any kind. And then sometimes I'll put like nut oils, nut products etc and I'll screenshot it and I'll make it my lock screen on my phone so that if there is a language barrier to where I feel like they're not understanding me, I can just show that. And a lot of the times that helps. Like in Spain, that came clutch. Italy was actually, like, really good with dietary restrictions.

[Joe]

Yeah. Better than I thought.

[Serena]

Italy was incredible with dietary restrictions. Oh, my God. I was so impressed. So, yeah, that's my go to. I did printed cards for this trip because we were going to Korea and also Japan, and I found that was easier because the language barrier was so strong. A lot of the time they would take the card from me and, like, take it to the back and into the kitchen and then come back out and tell me. And it was just something where it was like, cure. Take the card. You can keep it. Like, throw it away, whatever. I got, like, 100 printed on Canva, and that's my number one thing. I guess on top of that, like, you know, I have a lot of anxiety in my allergy, but just doing everything I can to be conscious, like, conscientious of it, bringing my EpiPens, trusting the people that are telling me there's no nuts. And if I don't trust where we are, we don't feel safe. Joe and I will leave a restaurant, just, like, respectfully say, hey, sorry, like, we're not going to eat here. Because there's really no point in taking a risk. Like, it'll really ruin the whole trip and potentially our whole lives.

[Joe]

Yeah. Wow. Okay.

[Serena]

Joe, how was your experience running the marathon this year? And how do you prepare?

[Joe]

I. I love marathon day, and I really enjoy training. I didn't. Yes.

[Serena]

What part of training do you like?

[Joe]

I just enjoy training for something. I just. I just love that, like, schedule and. And running's like therapy for me.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Like, my golf lessons. And so I enjoy that aspect for sure. And I really like the day of the marathon because it's like, this is what you've been working for. It's exciting. It's a great day. I didn't score as well as I wanted to. I think I. I broke down around, like, mile 18, and I got really, like. Because I wore the ankle compression sleeves, and it was the first time I wore them, and they cut off halfway through my foot that I had just massive blisters that exploded on the bottom of my feet.

[Serena]

They were actually the biggest blisters I've ever seen.

[Joe]

I was just. I was like. The blood in my socks was like. I was like, this is terrible. And then, like, for, like, for like they got infected and then I was basically like five days. I could barely walk.

[Serena]

Yeah, he was on a full antibiotic and had a prescription cream because these blisters were so out of control.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think, I think if I run it, if I run another marathon, I will definitely just take more care of my feet as far as like Vaseline before I run.

[Serena]

Yeah. Not using new products.

[Joe]

Yeah. And I, and I, I switched shoes a lot during, during training and that kind of messed me up a little bit. So it's just like. Yeah. Like making sure that my shoes fit right and, and kind of like, just like those little things and keeping it simple. And then I think I'm good.

[Serena]

You know, in your defense though, I feel like you broke down around mile 18 because your Garmin watch died. So you weren't able to track your pace at all?

[Joe]

No. I mean, no, no, no. I mean, not being able to track my pace was not great.

[Serena]

But did you not charge your watch?

[Joe]

I did, but it got disconnected. So there was connectivity issues and that just totally fucked me up. But that was not why it was because I just, I, I need to run more 20 mile runs prior to the marathon.

[Serena]

Gotcha.

[Joe]

Which is a lot of running and I just don't know if I want to do those miles anymore.

[Serena]

Yeah. Will you do the marathon again, do you think?

[Joe]

I always say no and then I always do it, so.

[Serena]

That's true.

[Joe]

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[Narrator]

Voice gently wakes you from your dreams of him.

[Joe]

I can't face one more sunset without you by my side. Come with me and I vow your desires will be my North Star forevermore.

[Narrator]

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[Joe]

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[Serena]

Are you one of those people that starts your holiday shopping in like July?

[Joe]

July? I mean, no, never. Like I, I, I like to shop. Actually I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Serena]

But you like start decorating right after Halloween?

[Joe]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Serena]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked.

[Joe]

It twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Serena]

I can't help it. You know. I love finding the perfect gifts for everyone. And Walmart has all the top brands. Nespresso, Sonos, Nintendo.

[Joe]

Nintendo at Walmart. Who knew?

[Serena]

I know. And more. All of your shopping in one place.

[Joe]

How much more shopping? Oh boy.

[Serena]

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[Joe]

How did you guys spend your second anniversary?

[Serena]

Where were we?

[Joe]

I think we were at your parents house eating chicken.

[Serena]

Oh yeah, we were at my parents house. Chicken.

[Joe]

Yeah, because remember I, I gave you your gift and you had like you were like, not finished with your chicken.

[Serena]

Was it on our actual anniversary you gave me my gift?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, no, it was day before. Classic move.

[Serena]

We sell. So our big trip that we took to Asia was kind of like the way we chose to celebrate our anniversary. We usually take a trip in like September, October, and that's kind of like our quote unquote anniversary celebration. The day of for us is like not as big of a deal, like we don't do anything crazy. But we were at my parents house, so we did celebrate with them and we just had a chill night at home. Joe got me a beautiful necklace as a gift this year for our anniversary. So that was really nice. And yeah, that's kind of it. I don't even really remember the exact day what we did, if I'm being totally honest. We were in Toronto, hanging out.

[Joe]

Romantic.

[Serena]

So romantic. Is it my turn? Yeah. Okay, sorry. Next question is, would you ever do a vow renewal? No, probably not.

[Joe]

I mean, just by the way we celebrate our anniversaries, I think.

[Serena]

I think that anniversaries and like holidays and stuff aren't huge for us. I feel like we do a good job throughout the year of making the most of like, just not even celebrating. But like, we're childless. Like, we go on trips together, we go on lots of date nights and do fun things together. I feel like maybe when you have kids, it's like more motivation to prioritize those moments and make them special for just the two of you. But, you know, I feel like we're doing fun, special things all year round. So do.

[Joe]

I mean. Yeah, we really do.

[Serena]

Yeah. Which is. Which is so wonderful. So when it comes down to the anniversary, there's a lot of time we just want to like, be together and hang out and chill, which is kind of fun. But for the vow renewal, I could see us doing like a anniversary party. Like if we like a 10 year anniversary party or something. Just because I loved our wedding and we had so much fun with all of our friends, it'd be fun to like throw a party. But I don't know if I need to eval renewal. You wouldn't do an anniversary party?

[Joe]

10? No, no, no. I. I don't. I find that like, I don't know. Yeah, like, come celebrate us. We've been together for 10 years, Whoopi. Fucking do. Like so many people have been together for 10 years. I don't know.

[Serena]

Okay, maybe if we make it to like 50 years.

[Joe]

I think 30.

[Serena]

Oh, okay.

[Joe]

I think 30.

[Serena]

My parents just celebrated 30 I think 30.

[Joe]

Yeah, I'll take this.

[Serena]

Oh, my God. Why?

[Joe]

Because I just know that you, you are you. You struggle a little bit with the questions.

[Serena]

I think I'm doing a great job. I'm reading them off my phone if you think I'm not capable of reading a question. I think you are.

[Joe]

I think you are. But I think when I see you already jumping ahead, preparing for the question, because you prepare.

[Serena]

Well, I'm just skimming, you know, I just want to see what's up, what's to come. But final, I'll let you shock me if that's what you want.

[Joe]

I do.

[Serena]

You'd be stunned by the question. I actually haven't read the next question, if that surprises you.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Serena]

Oh. Oh, my God. He's flipping my phone away.

[Joe]

It feels like you guys have been to so many weddings lately. What advice do you have to anyone showing up to a wedding where they don't know many of the other guests? Which is. Which hasn't really been happening to you as much lately, but me more.

[Serena]

This year we had four weddings, and one of them was Joe's brother's wedding, which was so much fun. It was incredible. And we obviously knew a ton of people because it was his whole family, his friend group, and also I had gone on our now sister in law's bachelorette party. We know her family, so that was great. And then it was two of my friends weddings who I obviously know most people there. You don't. And then we went to his manager's wedding, who I would say we didn't really know most people there. So I feel like when you both, like when you're in a couple and Joe and I both don't know a lot of people there, it's almost easier.

[Joe]

Like, without a doubt.

[Serena]

Yeah. Well, I mean, look, the best weddings are the ones where you know a lot of people. Yeah, but like, for example, at his manager's wedding, it was like we're just hanging out, the two of us, and trying to chat with people at our table and get to know people and grab a drink and it's way better.

[Joe]

I actually prefer it much more when we both don't know anybody. Opposed to one person doesn't know anyone and the other person knows everyone. Because then that's a little. But like, for the most part, all the weddings we go to, like, we know someone.

[Serena]

I mean, at your manager's wedding, I. I don't know if we really knew.

[Joe]

Anyone, but we knew him and his wife.

[Serena]

Well. Yeah, that's why we're there because we love them. But yeah, I feel like when you don't know anyone there, it's usually a lower pressure wedding because you're probably not super, super involved in the lives of the bride and groom. Otherwise you would like, know their family. Give it a childhood best friend. You're probably in the wedding party. Or if it's like a family member, you know, you are a little. It's a little bit more of a high stakes wedding. So I think it's like you kind of just show up, it's a party, you have fun and you head out. Whereas when one of us knows someone, then it's a little bit more of a balancing act of like, okay, I'm a bridesmaid, we gotta set you up with a plan. But then you'll usually vibe with like one of my friends husbands or something. Yeah, I vibe, but I love weddings.

[Joe]

I'm over weddings.

[Serena]

I know. I love them though. And we got more to come, so buckle up.

[Joe]

Serena.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What are your do's and don'ts for wedding guest attire?

[Serena]

Oh, okay.

[Joe]

So see, I knew you would like being surprised.

[Serena]

So it depends on what the attire is. I guess if it's black tie, show up in a tux and girls you need to be in a floor length gown, not a floor length dress. Like it needs to be, I think more formal, but I, I'm less worried about the girlies usually. I think black tie is usually more to make sure the guys are dressed appropriately, if I'm being honest. Well, because black tie, the difference from black tie for guys is like a casual suit versus a tux or a proper black suit. Right.

[Joe]

Well, I think. Well, I think for black tie, I think guys could get away with wearing a black suit with a black tie.

[Serena]

Yes. But I think you still like, if you do black tie optional, you're going to get a lot of guys and maybe like a more fun suit, whereas you're still probably going to get girls in floor length dresses.

[Joe]

I think they should get rid of black tie completely.

[Serena]

I like black tie.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

I think it looks so nice in the photos.

[Joe]

Yeah, I get it. I just, I just feel like. I just feel like we're beyond that as a society.

[Serena]

I just think. You don't like black tie, you don't like dressing up.

[Joe]

I don't. I actually.

[Serena]

You just want to wear what you want to wear.

[Joe]

I actually don't mind wearing a tux, but I do want to wear what I want to wear.

[Serena]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So my biggest advice for dress code for a Wedding is just follow what you're told. That's it. Like, don't wear white. Don't. I don't ever want to see white. Cream even, like champagne gets a little risky sometimes. Butter yellow showing up as white these days and photos, like, just don't do it. There's 1 million other colors that you could wear. Why are you rolling your eyes?

[Joe]

Because I just, I just find that so I just. I don't know.

[Serena]

Like, your only job when you show up to a wedding is to not wear white and to follow the dress attire. People make it so much more complicated. Oh, but can I wear white jeans? Can I wear. No, you can't. But if the other colors on the table for you.

[Joe]

All right. If I have a cream colored sport coat on at a wedding, they're not going to confuse me for the bride. No one's going to confuse me.

[Serena]

Different for guys.

[Joe]

And, and if another, if a woman's there in a cream colored dress, they're not going to confuse her for them. Everyone knows who the bride is.

[Serena]

It's not about confusion. Maybe on the bachelorette it is. I've been on a bachelorette party where one of the girls were white and, and the server thought she was the bride. But at the wedding, it's not about confusion. Everyone's going to know who the bride is because you obviously know these people. And she's wearing a floor length gown with a veil. It's about like, respect, in my opinion. Like, this is that woman's day. I have so many friends that, including myself, honestly, that wouldn't really care someone were white to their wedding. But it's not about, like, it's just about respect. Like, I'm showing up to this person's wedding. It's her moment, it's her day, she's in white. I have the freedom to pick anything I want within the dress code that's not white. And if someone can't do that to me, it's just like, it's kind of just a sign of disrespect. It's like I don't care enough to go pick literally any other color in the rainbow. I'm gonna wear white. Don't you think?

[Joe]

I. I think that's. I think that's a good point. I think that's a friend that would.

[Serena]

Be like, oh, I don't really care. And it's like, I get it, you're not gonna be offended. But it's like to me, that is, it's disrespectful.

[Joe]

That's I think that's fair.

[Serena]

Thank you. I feel strongly about it.

[Joe]

What advice do both of you have to anyone out there that's single?

[Serena]

That's so hard. Because everyone's situation as a single person is so different.

[Joe]

How much I think that that could be advice.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because I actually agree with that. I hate this fucking blanketed advice that people just give that just should apply to everyone. Everyone's different. So the advice I have is kind of like, figure out you and like, what works for you.

[Serena]

Yeah. I mean, like, I can obviously give advice on, like, specific situations or to, like, my girlfriends who I know. I know them. Right. I know who they are. I know their strengths and their weaknesses. I know their dating history.

[Joe]

I could give you advice if you're single going on to Bachelor in Paradise.

[Serena]

Totally. We got you there. We got you there. But like, to give, I think that's my. The biggest thing I'm always. I love giving, like, dating relationship advice, but I don't really believe in, like, blanketed statements for all single people or like blanketed statements for all married or dating people. Because it's like, I could say something that's gonna apply to some people, but it. There's definitely people out there that like, it's not gonna apply to, or they think it's gonna apply to them and they shouldn't take it. Like, go ask your family member or your best friend or your sibling or someone that like, really knows you and that you trust and respect. Those are going to be the people that give you the best advice.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Because their advice, find someone else.

[Joe]

Yeah. Give me this. Give me the situation and give me 20 things about yourself and then I can maybe give you advice.

[Serena]

If someone was like, hey, this is my situation, I could. I could think I could give some pretty good advice, but I just don't think there's one piece of advice for all single people out there that is gonna be applicable.

[Joe]

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[Serena]

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[Joe]

July? I mean, no, never. Like, I like to shop. Actually, I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Serena]

But you like start decorating right after Halloween?

[Joe]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Serena]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked.

[Joe]

It twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Serena]

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[Joe]

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[Serena]

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[Joe]

Who is your favorite couple that came out of season 10 of Paradise?

[Serena]

I mean, I. The only one we've met together in person actually is Jeremy and Bailey. Andrew and Alex in person together.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

I love Andrew and Alex. I think they're. I think they're like a really good fit. I thought all the couples were really good, but I think.

[Joe]

Are they all still together?

[Serena]

Yeah, they're all still together. I think. Dale and Katie, Andrew and Alex, and then Bailey and Jeremy. Am I missing someone?

[Joe]

Spencer and Jess.

[Serena]

Spencer and Jess. Yes. Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I mean, if. If I'm going to have a favorite, I'm going to just. I'm going to probably say Andrew because he was. He's my friend and I knew him before he went on the show and he was at our wedding. So.

[Serena]

Yeah, we'll have to go. Andrew. He was at our wedding.

[Joe]

Okay. Do you have any bachelor hot takes? Probably too many. I would say a bachelor hot take would be.

[Serena]

I don't really care that much if they stay together after the show.

[Joe]

Interesting.

[Serena]

I care way more about what happens on camera during the season and that it's like dynamic and compelling and emotional and uplifting and all the things like, I care about a season that like impacts me more than if they stay together after. I obviously want them to. I hope they do. Like, that's what makes it fun is when there's these long lasting couples. But if I had to pick between a boring season and a long lasting couple or an incredible season and potentially no couple at the end, I would pick an incredible season. I could forego the relationship.

[Joe]

Yeah. Okay. Mine would be, I think if you receive the first impression, Rose, you need to get the first date, period.

[Serena]

Yeah, I don't hate that either.

[Joe]

Yeah. I don't know if that's a hot take though.

[Serena]

I think, I mean, it could be.

[Joe]

It's hot enough.

[Serena]

It's hot enough.

[Joe]

Do you want to ask a question?

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[Joe]

I could see you just like you. I'm asking a question.

[Serena]

Well, I want to look at the questions. I like to. I'm a visual learner. So, like reading and looking. It's great.

[Joe]

Yeah. But when we're both doing it on our. Both looking at our phones doing it, it's just. It's too distracting.

[Serena]

Okay. What is your next travel destination?

[Joe]

Chicago for Thanksgiving. But like, okay, so let's take out. Let's take out the things that we talk about all the time that we always have to do. And we go to Chicago and Toronto. We Got to go to la.

[Serena]

I'm sorry, what? I asked what's your next travel destination? You said, Chicago. And then you listed the other two places we're going and you said, but I'm. That's. I'm not gonna pick a different place. That's not the question. The question wasn't where are you going that you want to talk about. It's where are you going next?

[Joe]

I guess I'm not an active listener either. That's a problem. I guess that's. I guess that's a problem in our relationship we have to work on. Neither of us answer each other's questions. Well, what I was gonna say was we have credit. We have a two thousand dollar or twenty something, hundred dollar credit to Hawaiian Airlines. So our next trip is gonna be something we book through that.

[Serena]

That's so funny because I literally was just talking about that this morning.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, because I just keep having to remind myself not to forget.

[Serena]

Yeah. My biggest fear with airline credits is always that I'm going to forget that I have them because they don't make it easy. Don't. They don't let you like in put it into your app or the website so that it's like visible and it just gets deducted. You have to call and book the flight with your number. They definitely do it on purpose, hoping that people forget 1000. It's ridiculous.

[Joe]

It's actually ridiculous.

[Serena]

It is ridiculous.

[Joe]

It's ridiculous.

[Serena]

Like they need to make a hot take.

[Joe]

Actually, that's not a hot take. That's a. That's a consensus among all of us.

[Serena]

Everyone, every person for sure agrees with this statement.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Except the airlines. Because why are you making it so hard for me to redeem my airline credit?

[Joe]

Yeah. That I paid for.

[Serena]

Spent this money with you. Like I had an American airline credit that I forgot about. I don't. I think it expired. I don't know. I just actually have to call and check. But it makes me be like, ugh, I don't even want to fly American Airlines now because, you know you've gotten ice taken. I feel like they stole my money, even though it was completely my fault.

[Joe]

So neither of us really answered the question.

[Serena]

Chicago for Thanksgiving. We're going for four days. Our plan is to see Joe's family for Thanksgiving. We're gonna go out with some of his friends Wednesday night. And I think we're gonna go see Wicked too, because last year on Thanksgiving, we saw Wicked one and it was so much fun. And I'm so excited for Wicked too.

[Joe]

As the most successful story ever from the Bachelor franchise. What. What do you think it takes?

[Serena]

That is so generous.

[Joe]

Well, I just made that up.

[Serena]

Oh.

[Joe]

What do you think it takes to make a relation work? Host show?

[Serena]

I feel like the number. We say this a lot. We say this to, like, every couple that comes on after the show, but I think it's prioritizing your relationship, your time together for the. At least, like, the first six months right after the show, I think is, like, one of the most pivotal periods of time.

[Joe]

I agree. And I also think there is. I think people always just want to be, like, helpless romantics, but I. I do think there's an element of luck that you just fit together and, like. And, like. And, like, it works. Like, there's a little bit of luck involved in that. That, like. And I. And I think, like, we got lucky and, like, we also prioritized the relationship, and we were also. It was still like that. It was still that, like, post Covid, like, where we, like, kind of had to stay in the house, which made. Which actually helped because we weren't supposed to be out together. So, like, there was a lot of things that just, like, kind of worked in our favor. But, yeah, like, what you said would be the advice I would give.

[Serena]

Yeah. And I think being as transparent and honest as possible when you're on the show about, like, what your expectations are for when the show's done.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Because I think if you don't align on those before leaving, it can result in, like, a lot of immediate bumps, and you're already going to be facing so many challenges that, like, why add that to the table? You have to have, like, kind of, like, a plan. And frankly, like, with all of this advice, you can still fail, and it doesn't mean you did anything wrong. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

[Joe]

Are there any Bachelor Nation couples that you are surprised are still together? Jesus.

[Serena]

I would. No, skip that question.

[Joe]

That's. Yeah. What a. What. What a question. But I'm going to answer it.

[Serena]

Oh, okay. Who.

[Joe]

Who am I surprised are still together?

[Serena]

I'll tell you who I'm surprised is still single.

[Joe]

Who?

[Serena]

Pilot Pete. I feel like that guy had, like, three, like, final girls. Like, he had, like, three relationships right off his season. I'm like, we gotta get this guy locked down.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's kind of hard saying that because it's kind of rude.

[Serena]

Well. And you could only speak to people that you really know, so you're basically gonna out someone that you're Friends with.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

If you have someone in mind, which I don't think you really do.

[Joe]

No, I mean, I would be surprised if Gary and Teresa were still together, but they're not.

[Serena]

If they were still together. Yeah, I would definitely be surprised about that.

[Joe]

If you could choose anyone from outside of Bachelor Nation to be the next Bachelor, who would you choose?

[Serena]

Oh, from outside of Bachelor Nation to be the next Bachelor, who would you choose? Oh, okay, So. I don't know.

[Joe]

Come on, you gotta.

[Serena]

Well, I. What? I was going. Marcico Marciano. Yeah, Marciano.

[Joe]

That's not who I choose, though. I know how I would choose.

[Serena]

Okay. I've seen a lot of people, and I don't really know much about this person, but I've seen a lot of people online calling for Gleb from Dance with the Stars to be the next Bachelor. And I do think because obviously, like, we watched the Bachelor, and I'm obsessed with the Real House or. Yeah. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and Dancing with the Stars. I'm watching all these things right now, Right? Like, I'm really, like, immersing into this little multiverse, and I think all these crossovers that are happening are really fun. So I wouldn't be mad about someone from one of these other popular Hulu shows to become the next Bachelor.

[Joe]

Well, I mean, I know Glub. I really like Glub. And I think he would be fantastic, but I would choose Dylan Efron.

[Serena]

Oh, Joe, that's a great pick, too. But he's in a relationship. He's with, like, his high school sweetheart is.

[Joe]

All right, well, let's just pretend he's not for the sake of the game.

[Serena]

I think that would. That would be a really good pick.

[Joe]

Oh, I like this. Next question. 18.

[Serena]

Okay. You want me to ask it?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

If you could design one date for the Bachelor, what would you choose?

[Joe]

Literally anything that they've never done. I would.

[Serena]

What does that even mean?

[Joe]

It means I'm so sick of watching the same dates on repeat. Like, I just give me anything. Like, literally anything that they haven't done, I would be just thrilled to watch, like, have them, like, I don't know, like, garden together. Like, I would rather watch that than see another helicopter date. Like, anything I would probably say, like, I would like to see.

[Serena]

Literally anything they've never done is crazy. But also, like, now that I'm thinking about it, like, they're really on that reuse, reduce, recycle with their dates.

[Joe]

I would like to see them on. I would choose, like, a wine and cheese date where it Was like a wine tasting date, and you kind of watch both of them, like, get drunk.

[Serena]

Yeah, but that's not very ABC family friendly.

[Joe]

Well, I mean, I'm an executive producer, so I'm the showrunner in this scenario.

[Serena]

Joe is the date producer, the executive producer, the showrunner, and the handler.

[Joe]

Oh, this is a good question.

[Serena]

You didn't. Do you have, like, a date idea in mind at all, or.

[Joe]

No, I just said wine and cheese. Do you have one?

[Serena]

I want to do something where they have to, like, learn, like, a hard, new skill. Like, go get them in, like, certified in scuba diving or something. Like, something that's, like, something that's gonna bring out, like, tensions. I feel like people learning to do something new that they've never done before, and I'm just gonna see that.

[Joe]

We see that when they, like, bungee jump and do that.

[Serena]

I don't want to see them bungee jump anymore because it's too quick. Like, maybe. Maybe strenuous. Like, maybe, like, worse.

[Joe]

Learn another language together.

[Serena]

Yeah. Like that sounds.

[Joe]

Take a Spanish class if neither of them speak Spanish, maybe.

[Serena]

I don't know.

[Joe]

Or, like, that would be horrible. Maybe this is why we're not.

[Serena]

You know, what do. I never watched the show. It was, like, a little before my time. But what was the show with Paris Hilton and Nicole where they were on a farm. Yeah. Where they would make them go try different jobs in these, like, small towns. Isn't that what they would do?

[Joe]

I don't know. I never saw. But that's a good idea.

[Serena]

But that would be funny. Like, every time they go to a new city, they have to, like, try a local job, like. Yeah. Like, whole day and have to, like, work that job. Like, something that's, like, not romantic at all.

[Joe]

Yeah. Like, go work at the postal service.

[Serena]

Yeah. Like, go deliver mail all day.

[Joe]

Yeah. This is why. This is why we wouldn't create a.

[Serena]

No. They're like. And you're fired.

[Joe]

Who is your favorite bachelor villain of all time?

[Serena]

I have to think about that for a second. I mean, I'm a little biased because she's from my season, but I think Queen Victoria is, like, so iconic as a bachelor villain. And, I mean, maybe she's not the most, like, famous bachelor villain of all time, but, like, she was really doing her own thing out there, and I love that about her.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I'm trying to think, like, who is, like, a true villain?

[Serena]

I don't know if there's ever really a true villain. You know, that's the Thing.

[Joe]

No, I. You know, who. Who I. Who was really shaking things up was the girl that was on Clayton season.

[Serena]

Girl on Clayton season. Oh. Oh. Oh, my God. I hear her so clearly, Shanae. She was a good villain.

[Joe]

She was good. Yeah, she was really. She was. She was doubling down, double down in.

[Serena]

All her interviews after. And that is way more fun for me than seeing them go on an apology tour.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

All right, last one. Ready?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Oh, my God. This question is. Okay. Where do you see yourself in 10 years?

[Joe]

Why are you laughing?

[Serena]

Because we don't know where we're gonna see ourselves in five months.

[Joe]

Yeah. I don't know where we're gonna be in five months. So where do I see myself in 10 years? I mean, hopefully. Hopefully I'm a member at a country club.

[Serena]

You've been saying that, actually. I guess, like, hopefully married still. So far so good. You know, we're four. We're four years in, knock on wood. I think we can make another 10.

[Joe]

Yeah. I mean, I hope. I hope so. I wasn't even thinking about divorce.

[Serena]

No. Yeah. I just need to picture myself in 10 years. The only thing that I'm, like, certain will be like, you'll. We'll be married still.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Like, I don't know where we'll be living or what we'll be doing.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Hopefully. We're having so much fun and making good money and we're healthy and we're in love.

[Joe]

Yeah. I agree.

[Serena]

So sweet. Why do you look so uncomfortable?

[Joe]

Just because I'm uncomfortable physically.

[Serena]

Like the way you're sitting, Right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Oh, okay.

[Joe]

Yeah, we have a lot going on. We've been on this couch for a minute now.

[Serena]

Yeah. All right, well, this is a perfect time, I think, to wrap it up.

[Joe]

I think so, too. This was a lot of fun. Thank you for joining the podcast.

[Serena]

Thank you for joining the podcast.

[Joe]

Thank you for joining the podcast and to our listeners. Thank you guys so much for listening to our podcast. Make sure you download and subscribe.

[Serena]

We'll have new and exclusive interviews for you every single week. Thanks for listening. Bye.

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