Wells Adams on ‘Traitors, Colton Underwood, and Jesse’s Thoughts on Taylor Frankie Paul

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour Podcast Summary

Episode: Wells Adams on ‘Traitors, Colton Underwood, and Jesse’s Thoughts on Taylor Frankie Paul’
Hosts: Charity Lawson, Rachel Recchia (joined by Rachel Lindsay for this episode)
Guest: Wells Adams
Date: February 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

This spirited episode features reality TV personality and beloved Bachelor in Paradise bartender, Wells Adams, who joins Charity, Rachel, and Rachel Lindsay for a candid conversation. The discussion covers Wells’ recent work beyond Bachelor Nation, an insider's look at Bachelor in Paradise and its evolving format, reality TV crossovers (including "The Traitors"), the Colton Underwood controversy, and insights into the upcoming Bachelorette season with Taylor Frankie Paul. The conversation is packed with behind-the-scenes revelations, strong opinions, and signature humor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Wells’ Career Moves: Hosting, Golf, and Beyond

• Wells’ Food Network gig (“Sweet Empire”) and his Golf Channel podcast (“Vanity Index Podcast”) are highlighted.
  • “If you can get into the Food Network hosting game, it is money...walk out, hit a mark, say a funny thing, and then eat. And that's it...a dream.” – Wells, [05:17]
• Talks about working with big celebrities and his enthusiasm for golf-focused content.

2. Role on Bachelor in Paradise

• Wells on being the unofficial "host" in Paradise:
  • “I get so much more invested in these relationships compared to the ‘official’ host because I'm entrenched with you guys.” – Wells, [07:48]
• Why he doesn't want to be the main Bachelor host:
  • “I don't know if anyone takes me serious enough to host that show. I think I'm too, like, waka waka funny guy.” – Wells, [06:45]
• Difference in stakes between host vs. bartender role:
  • “I wouldn’t trade it for the world. I love doing that job.” – Wells, [08:30]

3. Bachelor in Paradise Format Changes

• Mixed feelings on changes in Paradise:
  • Misses the "silly intros" and theme song, saying these set a fun tone for the show.
  • “Paradise kind of is just a little chaotic.” – Charity, [07:25]
• Initial resistance to money-based challenges and relationship exercises, but concedes their value:
  • “I thought money would ruin the ‘here for the right reasons’ thing, but those exercises really bonded couples. I was totally wrong.” – Wells, [10:05]

4. Paradise Relationship Drama & Predictions

• Reflecting on cast decisions and story arcs:
  • Wished certain contestants (Sam, Susie) had more time for redemption.
  • “For Sam, he got so much heat...But like, he wasn't wrong, right?” – Wells, [13:07]
  • Discusses impact of later cast arrivals and role of "friendship couples."
• Behind the scenes: Less producer intervention this season:
  • “This season was so much more hands off...If you wanted to come talk to me, you came and talked to me.” – Wells, [15:08]
• The “Goldens” Twist:
  • Impressed by the older cast’s energy:
  • “They had so much more energy than the Youngs did...I would love them to do a just a Golden's Paradise.” – Wells, [26:06]
  • Pitch for setting a Golden Bachelor in Paradise in retirement hotspots:
  • “Everyone shows up to rose ceremonies in golf carts, it's shuffleboard, dinner happens at 4.” – Wells, [27:28]

5. Traitors Discussion: Reality TV Crossovers

• Colton Underwood’s Controversy:

  • Discusses Colton’s tough reunion and public redemption arc.
  • “He has to answer for some of these things...he’ll probably think it was a blessing, because it allows him to finally...wash himself clean of…all that stuff that happened in the past.” – Wells, [29:21]
  • Both Charity and Rachel Lindsay stress the importance of accountability instead of “playing the victim.”
  • “The big thing people want to see is accountability and less of a victim complex.” – Charity, [33:23]

• Traitors Game Analysis:

  • Wells is wowed by Rob’s game:
  • “He is so good...dare I say, the best trader we've ever had.” – Wells, [41:38]
  • Explains strategy and compares this season's deft gameplay to his own season’s “dumb moves.”
  • Praises Rob’s ability to “move the chess pieces” and manipulate perceptions ([44:28]).
  • Discusses differences in playing as a female traitor, challenges due to production schedules, and game fatigue.

6. Speculation and Casting for Traitors

• Who from Bachelor Nation would rock on Traitors:
  • Multiple shout-outs to Demi as a “force of nature.”
  • "Demi? She scares me. I love her." – Wells, [35:47]
  • Wells singles out Jesse Palmer as uniquely smart, likeable, and tough enough for the intense Traitors filming.
  • “Jesse's got that Rain man quarterback mind...he's kind of a genius.” – Wells, [49:36]
  • Debates about who would make an ideal traitor from the current season, such as Mark Ballas.

7. Taylor Frankie Paul as the New Bachelorette

• Insider scoop from Jesse Palmer:
  • “The guys we’ve got are gonna be so good for Paradise.” – Wells reporting Jesse, [55:01]
• Why Taylor will be a compelling lead:
  • “She’s obviously very good at that because she is the star of her own show...she comes with a little bit of baggage...but I think that she will do a very good job of helping these guys make amazing television.” – Wells, [55:27]

8. Memorable and Light Moments

• Bartending Anecdotes:
  • “You say I'm a great bartender and your drink is champagne. I didn't have to mix anything.” – Wells, [04:51]
  • Wells’ signature “country club pour” was a lifeline for frazzled contestants.
• Breakfast at The Traitors
  • “The food sucks there...the salmon is the only thing that is somewhat good,” reveals the not-so-glamorous truth of Scottish breakfasts. – Wells, [51:17]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Redemption Reality TV:
  • “Traders, for me, is where villains go to be discovered as not that bad.” – Wells, [29:21]
• On involving money in Paradise:
  • “For me, like, money is the one thing that, like, makes it kind of not being there for the right reasons. But I was 100% wrong…at the end, people didn’t choose money, they chose love, which I thought was awesome.” – Wells, [10:05]
• On Colton Underwood:
  • “If he wants to be in the public eye, he has to atone for a lot of this stuff.” – Wells, [29:21]
• Traitors Game Analysis:
  • “He’s so chill, and he’s got everyone diplomatized.” – Wells on Rob, [41:47]
• On Jesse Palmer’s abilities:
  • "I've seen him absorb four pages of copy, hit a mark, and do it one time...it's very impressive." – Wells, [49:36]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Wells’ other gigs (Food Network, Golf Channel) | 05:17 | | Paradise bartender/host banter | 03:40–08:50 | | Paradise format changes & exercises | 09:49–11:58 | | Discussing Paradise relationship arcs | 13:07–16:12 | | Golden Bachelor/Paradise pitch | 26:06–27:28 | | Traitors Colton Underwood controversy | 28:15–36:31 | | Rob’s Traitors gameplay analysis | 41:38–44:49 | | Traitors casting who-would-do-well break | 49:19–50:59 | | Taylor Frankie Paul as Bachelorette (Jesse’s input) | 54:31–56:39 |

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Overall Tone

• Conversational, irreverent, and insightful: The hosts and Wells blend humor with honest BTS commentary, gently rib reality TV tropes and each other, and aren’t afraid to share hot takes or admit when perceptions change.
• Supportive but critical: While always rooting for Bachelor Nation, the group doesn’t shy from honest critique—especially around accountability for public figures.

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Final Thoughts

Wells Adams’ appearance is as entertaining as it is revealing, offering Bachelor Nation fans a rare and unfiltered look at the workings of their favorite shows and the evolving nature of reality TV celebrity. The episode stands out for its frank analysis of current controversies, sharp media critique, and infectious camaraderie.

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Plug:

• Wells’ Golf Channel podcast (“Vanity Index”), podcast for The Traitors (“By Order of the Faithfuls”), and Sarah Hyland’s Broadway show “Just in Time”

Closing Vibe:
Expect plenty of laughs, spicy reality tea, and genuine Bachelor Nation love—a must-listen for fans wanting more than the on-screen edit.

Transcript

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And I'm Rachel. And today we have a very special guest, someone who basically is the reason I got through Paradise. Wells, thank you for being on Happy Hour today.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. How is there a show about the Bachelor called Happy Hour that isn't hosted by the guy who is the main host of Happy Hour in Paradise? I don't understand it.

[Charity Lawson]

I don't either.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And it's so funny when people always ask, like, does Wells actually, like, serve the drinks? Yes, he does. And he serves an amazing drink.

[Wells Adams]

That's a hot take. I feel like I. I get.

[Rachel Lindsay]

No, you. You pour way strong, which is exactly what I need.

[Wells Adams]

Listen, I see. All right, like, I am the 10,000 foot view. And when I see someone that really needs, you know, a country club poor,

[Rachel Lindsay]

I do the me every single time.

[Wells Adams]

Rachel needed a lot of those country club tours.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Well, I. Together, I was the most frequent patron at your bar. I think I stayed there the whole time.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Rachel, what was your go to champagne? I would get.

[Charity Lawson]

Oh, that's why.

[Rachel Lindsay]

More champagne. More champagne. And Wells knew exactly my favorite cup. We. We got through that together.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I don't think I could have done it without you.

[Wells Adams]

But, I mean, I do love the fact that you say that I'm a great bartender and your drink is champagne. Like, I didn't have to mix thing.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Literally.

[Charity Lawson]

I was like, that's the easiest course.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Could be sometimes two drinks an hour. This lava port. Wells made sure I was taken care of.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rachel Lindsay]

An amazing bartender. And, Wells, you've kind of been all over the place. You have done a Food Network show. You are doing a new golfing show. Tell us about it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. So Food Network this past, like, Christmas time, I did a show called Sweet Empire where I hosted, like, a baking competition. Like, hyper realistic, kind of like, is it cake? Type of a thing. I got to film it in Toronto and it was awesome. Like, I always make the joke that, like, the I have the greatest job in the world where I just go to parrot quote, unquote, paradise, and I just make drinks and, like, watch a bunch of idiots make out in front of me. But I gotta say, if you can get into the Food Network hosting game, it is money, because it's like, walk out, hit a mark, say a funny thing, and then eat. And that's it. Like, that's the job, a dream. It is truly the best thing in the world. And then only, only, only topped by the other show that I'm doing right now on the Golf Channel, which is called the Vanity Index podcast that I started with my buddy Chad, who did the Full Swing Golf show on Netflix, where we just get to talk about golf and have, like, giant celebrities on that we don't want to talk about. Like, we had Andy Garcia, who's like, he's in Landman and like, oh, my God, the Godfather. And we were like, we're not talking about Landman. We want to talk about golf. And it's been so much fun. So I'm sure that you guys have a lot of golf listeners here. If you love golf, please go watch the Golf Channel on Wednesday mornings.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Well, you're kind of in your Jesse Palmer era. Like, the food a little bit. Are you going to be hosting the Bachelor next? Like, I see the trajectory for you.

[Wells Adams]

No, I think Jesse's got that one on on down pat. I. I just like being a part of Paradise. I hope that continues on because that's a really fun show to get to go do. And like, let's be honest, I don't know if, you know, there was a. There was a moment in time when everyone thought I was going to be the host of that show. Right. Like, in between Jesse and Chris, and everyone's trying to figure it out. I don't know if anyone takes me serious enough to host that show. Like, I think I'm too, like, waka waka funny guy. And I don't know if people would, like, be like, I don't know if I can take him so serious to host this show.

[Rachel Lindsay]

You know, I feel like people don't know that Jesse's kind of unserious. Yeah.

[Charity Lawson]

And I also would argue that, like, I feel like for paradise, like, your personality is, like, perfect for that. Like, obviously Maybe leave, like, the main shows to Jesse. But, like, if you were to take over paradise as hosting, I feel like that's so fitting because, you know, I mean, paradise kind of is just a little chaotic.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. But I don't know if you could host it. And also, I would still want to bartend. Like, I get so much.

[Charity Lawson]

Okay.

[Wells Adams]

Like, that's a weird thing to say. Like, of course I would love to be the host of the show, but, like, for sure, like, it's so much different, and it's. It's. It's hard to explain, but, like, the stakes for me are so much greater than they are for Jesse in that place, because I'm, like, entrenched with you guys. Like, I'm a part of the landscape of, like, what's happening. And I'm giving my advice and trying to guide everyone as best as I can, where it's like, you need a host that comes in and is like, okay, today we're doing this. Now go do that. And then there's the fallout comes to me, and it's like, oh, my God, what's going on?

[Rachel Lindsay]

And it really does come to you.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

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So.

[Wells Adams]

So for me, like, when, for reason, the stakes are much higher for me because I get really invested in these relationships, and, like, I really love these stories, and I think it's important for, like, the host to kind of be separated from that. So, yeah, I wouldn't trade it for the world. I actually love doing that job.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I want to ask, what was it like this season? It seemed so much different watching it, having been there before. What was it like hosting with Hannah? What did you think about the change?

[Wells Adams]

I thought we did a lot of things great, and I thought there were some things that we left from the old show that I wished stuck around. And then I kind of started seeing it bleed back in, you know, Like, I. I think that I. I really missed the silly intros. We, like, went away from that. And what I love about paradise, in comparison to the other two shows or other four shows, whatever, is that it starts. It starts out a comedy. So it's known from the jump that this is a fun time. Obviously, there's going to be drama and there's going to be fireworks and there's going to be passion and everything, but, like, at the root of it is this. This is a fun experience. It's a. It's a singles retreat. We just film the entire.

[Charity Lawson]

No, basically, yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And so we went away from that, and then we went away from the song. Those two things I was like, we can't do. We don't mess with that. I loved. I was really. I was really trepidatious about the. The challenges or the.

[Charity Lawson]

I was going to ask, yeah, how

[Wells Adams]

do you feel about this exercises? And. And I didn't love the idea. I'll be you. I didn't love the idea of money being involved. I. I thought that, you know, the whole show is. Is. Is linchpinned around this one cliche of, like, being there for the right reasons. And for me, like, money is, like, the one thing that, like, makes it kind of not there for the right reasons. But I will admit when I'm wrong, and I was 100% wrong, those. Those exercises helped. It made the couples that were going to last bond really, really well. Which, like, Rachel, you remember, like, one of the big problems that we always had in par class was, like, at the end we'd bring in people, but, like, I. We just always felt bad for them because everyone else was, like, already in these relationships, and it was like, they didn't really get a fair shake or, like, a really good opportunity. Whereas, like, we kind of stopped bringing people in and we started doing these exercises and you could really see who was gonna work well outside of the show. And then the money thing, like, I don't. I wasn't privy to this information, but my thought was, you know, the entire season was about these exercises and, like, if you, you know, like it or can you prove to us that, like, you really are, like, this really strong couple and, you know, at the end, people didn't choose money, they chose love, which I. I thought was awesome and beautiful, and then they still end up getting money. But, like, my thought was, I wonder if someone had chosen money, then that would have been the last exercise and test and they would have failed and had to leave with nothing. I. I don't know if that was true because it never came to fruition. But that was my thought was, like, you not here for the right reasons, and now you gotta go. And I would have liked to happen just in terms of.

[Charity Lawson]

No same. I think that would have been insane.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I don't think anyone would have done it. Like, do you think, especially this last cast, like, choose money? Besides, maybe, like, the friendship couples,

[Wells Adams]

I think that. Oh, God, what was his name?

[Charity Lawson]

Like, was it any of the Goldens?

[Wells Adams]

No, no. Well, the golden might have done it. Kathy might have done it.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah, right.

[Charity Lawson]

She's like, hello.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I. I don't know. I. Listen, I. Has it been done before? For sure. Like, I don't know if you're a fan of the show the challenge, but, like, Johnny Bananas did that. He, like, got to the end of the show, and it was like, you can split it with your partner, or you can take it all. And he took it all, and it was fantastic television. Now, was he labeled, like, the biggest asshole ever after that? Absolutely. But, like, I thought there was a world in which that could happen.

[Rachel Lindsay]

That's so interesting. I want to ask, too, before we get into. I mean, we have so many more questions for you. Were there any couples that surprised you or couples that you thought could be good together that maybe never got together?

[Wells Adams]

I wish that Sam had stuck around longer. What I love about paradise is it is a redemption story for everyone. Right? Like, generally, if you were, like, the bad guy, you get to go to paradise, and then you, like, it's no fun if, like, your character arc is always like, you're a piece of garbage. Right. Like, that doesn't make any sense. So for. For Sam, I was like, you know, he got so much heat. Right. For, like, Right. What happen? But, like, he wasn't wrong, right? Like, he might not have been right, but he wasn't wrong about what?

[Rachel Lindsay]

You're saying that he wished Jen was Maria?

[Wells Adams]

No, he was saying that Devin was a. Oh, a jag off.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I thought he said, I wish Jen was Maria.

[Charity Lawson]

So there were two things that were happening.

[Wells Adams]

What I'm talking about is him calling out Devin, Which.

[Rachel Lindsay]

True.

[Charity Lawson]

Yes.

[Wells Adams]

100%. Right?

[Charity Lawson]

Correct. Correct. Correct.

[Wells Adams]

So I kind of wanted. I wish that he. That he had stayed longer, but then he ended up finding love, and, you know, I. I'm annoyed because I'm like, sam, we could have done this on the show, you know?

[Charity Lawson]

Right. I was like, this entire couple could have played out, and they. Yeah, quite like they could have been one at the end, truly.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. And if I could have changed some things, I wish Susie got to stick around longer.

[Charity Lawson]

Me too. I love Susie one every time.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I'm like, susie gets the worst hand every single time, and I feel so bad for her. Right.

[Wells Adams]

And I do think that Justin. He. It was a He. He was coming from a good place. I really, really. I really wish that I had gotten 10 minutes with him before that rose ceremony. I really wish I had, because I would have been like, you can't do this. You, like, it's. Don't do it, because if she doesn't say she doesn't take your rose, you're gonna kill off three big stars in one fell, which is what happened.

[Rachel Lindsay]

That was crazy. Were you there when that happened or.

[Wells Adams]

I mean, no, I was at the. I was at the bar, obviously, that night, and I. I knew that the thought of. He was thinking about that, but, you know, this one was this. A lot of people might disagree with this, but, like, this season was so much more hands off than it has been in the past. In the past, I've been like, please go get him and let me tell him what I think. Just, you know, Whereas this one, it was just like, if you wanted to come talk to me, you came and talked to me. And I wish that that had gone a little bit different now. Did it make for, like, an insanely fantastic episode three? Sure. But I also kind of wish fireworks between them happened in episode seven, but you can't get everything you want in this life.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah. Were there any couples like that are still together that are surprising to you? So we have, like, Andrew and Alex, Jess and Spencer. Who am I missing?

[Rachel Lindsay]

No more Cat and Dale.

[Charity Lawson]

Well, that one wasn't bad. I can't believe that one didn't work.

[Wells Adams]

I do. First of all, let me just say I love Cat.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Like, we love her.

[Wells Adams]

I want her on my TV screen always.

[Charity Lawson]

No, she's great. TV phenomenal.

[Wells Adams]

Like, she's beautiful. She's, like, built for freaking paradise. But also she keeps going to these places that is full of the one thing that she's terrified of, which is bugs.

[Charity Lawson]

Yes.

[Wells Adams]

And it's. She thinks that, like, just like walking out of the door is fear. She thinks she's on Fear Factor every single day, which just makes for fantastic television. I will say this, you know, you guys both know that so much good stuff lands on the cutting room floor of seasons. And, you know, that is also very true for Paradise. The. The. The Alex of it all. Like, their. Her relationship was. Was so cute and, like, they didn't show a whole lot of it. We got so much of. Of, like, the Jess relationship. But I do wish we had gotten more of. Of Alex and what's his name?

[Charity Lawson]

Andrew.

[Wells Adams]

And Andrew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, Andrew. I'm having a bed.

[Rachel Lindsay]

He's only been in paradise twice.

[Charity Lawson]

I know.

[Wells Adams]

I've done eight seasons. It's like a thousand people I have.

[Charity Lawson]

Everyone blends.

[Rachel Lindsay]

So true.

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[Charity Lawson]

wait quickly, what are your thoughts too on Because I did forget Jeremy and Bailey. Like they're still together and that was a very big I think polarizing.

[Wells Adams]

That was the one couple that I could have seen them take the money and be like like I could have seen Jeremy be like okay so here's the deal for sure. Take the money and then I'll just split it with you after this 1000%.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Wells I would have liked to see a conversation with you and him like when the whole in the room like him talking about what was happening like

[Charity Lawson]

I was begging for that. I was like, please bring in Wells now. Because I'm like, you were the only one that also was like, I feel like speaking and calling things out, like, accordingly. It's like, I don't know what was happening with the dynamic of the cast, but I'm like, I feel like everyone was a little hesitant to really voice how they genuinely felt about the situation when it's like, it's very clear and, like, granted, we probably don't see the full scope of everything as the audience, but I'm like, there's some. There's some truth to this and we're not seeing it all.

[Wells Adams]

It was really weird. That whole thing was. Was very, very odd to me because it was so very obvious to me. And it was also very obvious to Hannah. She wasn't as vocal about it. I think an interview was, or, let's be honest, like, my interview, I was just like, over the top. And it's like, what's going on? This is crazy.

[Charity Lawson]

No, but it's perfect.

[Wells Adams]

But, like, I remember Andrew and Alex came up to me because. Because they were, like, really close with Jeremy and. And they came up to me and they were like, do you. Do you think this is going to look bad? And I was like, it's not going to look good, I'll tell you that. Like, it from the outside looking in, it looks like you guys don't give a shit about Bailey's feelings. Like, that's what it looks like to me. And, like, in this world of, like, being a girl's girl and everything, Like, I think that falls more on you. Like, I couldn't understand Andrew, like, wanting to, like, back his boy, but for the girls, I was just like, I don't get this. I think this is going to be a bad look. But, yeah, like, it was. That was like, of all the wild things that have happened in paradise, that one, to me, I was just like. I remember talking to a producer being like, put me an interview right now. I have to talk about this. This is crazy.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And it was just like, crazy because at the time, too, we were getting all these interviews from Bailey and everyone wanted to know, like, oh, my gosh, what were you thinking in this moment? But they were together, so it felt like she's always kind of, like, held back how she felt in that moment. So Wells craziness. Absolutely a great season. Excited to see the next one. If they implement any of these changes.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I know. And you can't do the same thing that we did before, right? Because people Kind of know what the playbook is. So then it's. It's going to be a thing of. You're probably always going to have to be tinkering with the idea of it. But I tell you what, man. You know, I was. I was also very nervous about, like, what the Goldens were going to be like, one. Because, like, Rachel, you. You've done that season. Like, it's long hours. It's freaking hot. Like, it's not for the faint of heart. And I was like, man, I just don't want some golden to, like, die on me out here. But I was so wrong about that because they had so much more energy than the Youngs did.

[Charity Lawson]

Yes.

[Wells Adams]

When they came in, because it was like a. It was. It was. So when they came in, it was the day after Susie and Justin's debacle, and it was like the Red Wedding. Like, afterwards, everyone was just, like, in the worst mood ever. And I'm like, I would. I remember I had to come to work early because they were like, we need you to get them some. We need to, like, inject some life into this thing.

[Charity Lawson]

Yes.

[Wells Adams]

And so I was like, we're doing shots, everyone. Like, let's go. And then I remember being like, guys, you guys are so boring. We're making a TV show and you guys are all sad. Like, come on, like, let's go. And then the Goldens came in and they were like, the life of the party. So I would love them to do a. Just a Golden's Paradise. I think that would be so fun.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yes.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I think they should separate. That's. I'm so decision. It was not fair that there were six boys and six girls.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, they. They didn't get a fair shake of it at all. I've pitched this before. And so, you know, Rob Mills, if you're listening, I have said this so many times before, but, like, can we do a paradise for the Goldens? But it needs to be, like, in Scottsdale or, like, Palm Springs and, like, everyone shows up to rose ceremonies in golf carts and, like, it's shuffleboard and like, dinner happens at 4. Like, yeah, go through all my old people tropes. It would be so funny.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I would love you and Kathy host it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Charity Lawson]

No, Kathy has to be. No, but Kathy has to be in it. Like, what do you mean? Yeah, Kathy has. She is one of the main stars, if not the star.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Oh, my gosh. So good. I love that. Should we get into some traders?

[Charity Lawson]

I think so, because, well, I hate to be a little messy. Here, but I have to a little bit. You obviously have been on Traders and with the Bachelor World, I feel like there's some conversations and things happening a little bit surrounding Colton, and I'm curious to know your thoughts on it. What do you feel like is going to happen at the reunion? Are you all, like, caught up, obviously, I'm assuming. Yes.

[Wells Adams]

Yes. I do a podcast about Traders called By Order of the Faithfuls that I. I do with Dolores Catania, who won my. The season I was on season three, and Tamara Judge, who's on season two. I have to talk about Traders all the time. If you love Traders, go listen to that podcast. But, yeah, Colton, it's not going great, I think. I think that's a fair way of. Of putting it. I've heard rumors of, like, what happened at the reunion or.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And I was about to say Lisa Rinna is, like, airing it out fully.

[Wells Adams]

She's going. She's going in on him. And yeah, like, listen, my. My thought is this with Colton, right? Like, so he kind of, like, left Public Eye. He kind of. He did, like, one dating show, I think, with Caitlin, but I don't know if anyone really watched that, so I don't know. I. To me, he kind of, like, left the public. Right. But, like, he did have this. This turmoil with the girl he left the show with, and, you know, it got really messy.

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[Wells Adams]

And I think if he wants to be in the public eye, he's gonna have to go through this. Like, he has to answer for some of these things. He has to atone for a lot of this stuff. And I. I think that, like, I'm sure for him right now, walking through this is very, very difficult, but I think looking back, he'll probably think it was a blessing because it was. It allows him to finally, like, kind of wash himself clean of, like, all that stuff that happened in the past. It's funny, though, because Traders, for me, I always thought it was a place where, like, villains go to be discovered as, like, not that bad. Case in point, on my season, Dan Deval was there, like, the. Maybe the most hated person in the world.

[Rachel Lindsay]

He was hilarious.

[Wells Adams]

And, like, I think he walked him

[Rachel Lindsay]

on the phone when you guys were sick. I still think about that scene.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And he was just fully, like, sweating the entire time, like, always.

[Charity Lawson]

I said, is the temperature like, 90 degrees? Like, what's going on?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. So. But, like, he walked out of that, I think, looking so much better.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And so I just.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Still sucks, though, for sure.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah. It doesn't erase everything.

[Wells Adams]

No, but I do think that, like, he had a more of like a redemptive arc, which is kind of what I thought would happen with Colton, but it was gone the other way, so. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm interested to see how. I'm interested to see how this reunion goes. Like, we had Michael Rapaport on the show. He was like, I don't want to go to the reunion. And I was like, you gotta go one because I just want to see you on tv. But, like, same. You gotta talk about all of this stuff. You have to probably apologize to Colton for what he said. Like, there are things I think you need to go do. So I'm excited about that. Like, Ron Funches is. I think he's going to dismantle some people on that panel in the reunion because Ron was right. Ron was wronged. And Ron is a stand up comedian. Like, he does roasts and talks for a living.

[Charity Lawson]

A living.

[Wells Adams]

And now he, like, he's no longer in the castle. He's going to go in there and I think he's going to eviscerate everyone. And I'm very excited for it.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Oh, my gosh. I'm curious what your thoughts are because do you think this season would have panned out differently if this all didn't come to light about Colton? I was like, they are, like, maybe editing it, like, now that this information is out.

[Wells Adams]

I don't know. I got to think that. That they knew that this was a possibility. Right.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Like you though, he had that Netflix special and no one said anything.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I. I don't know. I don't know if they're editing it, you know, now because of. Of everything. He's also off the show now. It doesn't exactly really matter. Like, I think it'll be really telling to see what happens in this reunion,

[Charity Lawson]

but I feel like, and maybe I'm wrong for saying this, but I think that what just, like, people ultimately want to see, which is why, like, Will is saying, like, it's a good thing that he's going through this. And like, on the flip side of it, obviously he will probably be a lot more grateful that all this happened the way it did. Doesn't mean that it's not hard. But I think, like, with Colton, there's, like, a level of him that almost wants to act like it never happened or just kind of like, keep it where it is. And like, the big thing that people just ultimately want to see is, like, accountability and then also less of, like, a victim complex. Of, like, woe is me. Like, I also was going through these things. Like, two things can exist, but, like, that still does not, you know, entitle you to, like, you know, do what happened, especially with, you know, his situation with his final one. And so, yeah, I, I don't know. I, I, I feel like that's just what people want to see, and the more that it's getting pushed off is what's making this hole a lot deeper, in my opinion.

[Wells Adams]

I agree. I, I hope that what he ends up doing, you know, at this reunion is. Is. Is really, like, atoning for everything. But I wanted to ask you guys, like, I'm a. I'm a guy, so I look at it differently. But you. But I'm sure women have a very, very different take of this. Like, what is, like, can he ever, like, look good in your eyes again, or is it scorched earth for you guys?

[Charity Lawson]

For me, again, like, my. My whole thing is, like, taking accountability when you own your wrongs. I'm like, okay. Like, I'm not someone who does not extend grace to people. Like, I am all for that. And I do think that people are deserving of second chances, but it's like your second chance just doesn't come essentially free. Like, there is. I don't want to say a price that you have to pay, but it's just simply taking accountability. And I don't feel like, you know, I was reading a thing. He did an interview, and, like, I saw where he, like, basically said, don't ask me any questions. Like, this conversation is off limits. And in my head, I'm like, that's a part of your story of, like, how you or where you are at right now, how you got to where you're at, like, the life that was before. And I think that there is a full picture of, okay, yeah, what I did there was not good. And it's, like, not who I am now, but to act like, oh, you did nothing wrong, like, that. That part is where I'm like, I have a problem agreeing with. And in my head, I can't really, like, essentially forgive until that part happens. But I do understand that there's a lot of things, and it's a very complex situation, but I'm just not fond of people acting and really screaming and pulling the victim card. So that's just how I feel. Rachel? I don't know.

[Rachel Lindsay]

No, I mean, I have so many thoughts on it. I mean, I think, number one, this is so. Because Cassie has fully moved on. She's married, like, and now this is all coming back to life. And like Charity said, of course he does need to atone for all this. But at this point, any atonement that comes is going to be because he needs to, like, repair his image. Like, exactly. If we didn't get this in the Netflix special where he was sitting down talking about his life and being like, I did this. Like, I was going through something, it's like, okay, he was mentally in a really bad space, but now it just feels like he's like, all right, I've gotten away with so much that it's like no one cares anymore. And it really feels like Demi is the one that Demi from his season is the one who kind of brought this all to light. And she's like, no, you will pay for what happened. And now he kind of does.

[Wells Adams]

She scares me. I love her.

[Rachel Lindsay]

She brought the house down. She started this.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah. She was so fun to. To do the show with, but, like, do not be on the wrong side of damage, truly.

[Charity Lawson]

Which I didn't even know this side of her existed. Like, I always thought she was, like, fun and spunky, but I was like, oh, period. As a sister is.

[Rachel Lindsay]

She said the world.

[Charity Lawson]

Well, yeah,

[Rachel Lindsay]

it's crazy. I don't know. It just, to me, feels like at this point, you can apologize, but if, like Charity said, you're saying in interviews, don't bring it up, then you're not really sorry for it. Unless there's a legal reason they can't talk about it, which I.

[Charity Lawson]

Right. And that's. Yeah, we don't know. But

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[Charity Lawson]

Very complex situation.

[Wells Adams]

Gonna be juicy. I mean we can't talk about traders without talking about Rob though.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I was gonna ask your thoughts on Rob.

[Wells Adams]

I mean, yeah, spill. Dare I say the best trader that has ever been.

[Charity Lawson]

No. His play game is insane.

[Wells Adams]

He is so good. Like he's so chill and he's got everyone diplomatized, which is great.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Like everyone including Ra.

[Wells Adams]

Oh my God. I get it. Like look at him. I mean but like he's playing such a good game and you know, I think he's. He's gonna get Eric killed.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Oh Eric already episode the first one he was like showing signs that he had the cracks. No 100 John I feel like Johnny should have been picked.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Okay, so here's I don't know if he's going to do this but I was thinking about this and I was talking about this on my other show that like you he's. He is killing so many traders, right? Like he is really helping traders get ousted and then just keeping him in the turret. So he's now having to bring in people and then he's getting them killed. Like he's going to get Eric killed. At some point someone's going to come in and be like you. But you voted for Lisa. But you voted for Candace. You voted for Eric. And he can always say, because they have no idea I was recruited yesterday. And if he does that, then it clears him from being someone that the, the other trader might be like, suspicious of. He'd be like, I just got recruited. And if he does that, which will be genius because it's not true. And he continues this thing of like, I'm just going to keep moving the chess pieces around and getting every trader out and just keeping me in the turret. I don't know. Like, yeah, like I said, dare I say, the best trader we've ever had. It's such a funny, stark contrast between season three and season four. Because on my season, what ended up getting me banished was I said, the Traders are dumb. That was a dumb move. And people took like, exception to that. But I was right. Like they banished Dorinda or they killed Dorinda, which was just like, for TV's sake, don't do that. But we were all going to banish her the next day. And I was like, that's dumb because we were going to do the work for them. Go get someone else out that like, is more of a threat to you than someone that we're probably all going to vote for anyway. So I was like, you guys are dumb. And then they ended up being so dumb. Like, I feel like the Traders my season were like, I mean, I, I love them all and they're all friends of mine, but like insanely stupid, like making bad moves. Whereas this season I'm like, oh my God, this, this Rob guy is, he's playing it so well.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I think their decision to make a 20 year old man a traitor, like, they are the best gaslighters ever. Like, I'm like, this was the best move. No one can look into your eyes and lie like a 20 year old man. Yeah,

[Charity Lawson]

no, exactly. I was like, and with his looks, he knows what he's doing. He knows. He knows.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Do you think, Wells, that. I mean, I've seen some people talking online that maybe his game is getting a little bit messy now though, with like so many people knowing about the dagger. He seems like he's just a little overconfident at this point.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, like in the last episode where he's like lounging in the billiards room and Eric's like, how is he doing this? He's got his arms like, like over his head and he's like lounging with his tank top on.

[Charity Lawson]

He.

[Wells Adams]

He might Be a little too comfortable. Listen, but we're getting down to the. The nitty gritty of it all, where it's. It has to get messy. Right. And so he. He needs to continue to play a smart game, keep his alliances really, really tight. And I think he needs to continue to be picking faithfuls to come into the turret that he can easily vote off. And. And I. I think. I don't know what happens. I think he's going to win it. I. I think that I do, too. Yeah. I. I think that, like, more it'll be like Maura and more on being like, there's no way that Rob's a traitor and, like, won't and will think he's faithful and be wrong.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And I think, Natalie, the same way, they're, like, in his pocket to a point that, like, I think he's just

[Charity Lawson]

so confident he set it up that way.

[Rachel Lindsay]

So, listen, what are your thoughts on there being two Housewives Traders?

[Wells Adams]

I loved it. You know, it was always a theory, at least on my season, and I know on a season past of, like, well, there has to be a housewife in the turret. Like, and so that's why Housewives would always get kind of knocked off, because it was one. They had so much power in numbers, and that scares people because you can really move a roundtable that way. But also, it's just like, statistically speaking, and also, like, if you're a. If you have somewhat of a producerial mind, it's like, well, it's. They're like Bravo's flagship thing. This is a huge thing for Peacock. We want to make sure that those people get as much screen time as possible vis a vis. They're in the turret all the time. So that was always the thought of, like, there has to be a. There has to be a housewife up there. And there never really was, but, I mean, there was. But, like, not like is. Was this season with. With Candace and Lisa both being up there. And I think that was great because there was all this precedent of, like, they're not. Alan's never choosing Housewives to be up there, really. And then it was just like, those. All Housewives. And then, like, this snake wrangler that,

[Rachel Lindsay]

like, no one knows I was rooting for that. Like, I'm like, am I supposed to be rooting for the traitors this hard? Like, anyone. Something a little bit like that they could get caught.

[Charity Lawson]

Like, no. Like, that's the thing. Because they played like they did it so good. And obviously Rob's, like, kind of like, the leader of that. It makes you want to root for them, which is crazy.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yes.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. So what do you think's gonna happen, though? Like, I feel like Johnny and Tara are gonna get ousted real quick.

[Rachel Lindsay]

What were your thoughts on, like, the best friend? Like, them talking about that? Do you think that was a good game move?

[Wells Adams]

No, I think. I think that they should have been honest from the jump because it's so hard. It's. They're really long hours. It's hard to, like, keep up this, like, we're not really friends thing. And so I think that they should have just been honest from the jump. And Rob said it in that interview, like, right before the end of the episode, he was like, they've given me gold on a silver platter. Like, I now can be like, but you guys have been lying this entire time. That's something a trader would do.

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[Wells Adams]

Also, I have two votes, so I'm gonna kill you, you know?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yes, absolutely.

[Wells Adams]

I think what he's gonna do. I think he's gonna use his two votes on killing someone he thinks is a traitor or not thinks someone he knows is a traitor, because then it gives him the. Like, well, if I'm a traitor, why would I get out another traitor? You know? Like, gives him plausible deniability.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Wait, that's such a good. Such a. I know. I can't wait to see how it all plays out.

[Wells Adams]

I know. This has been the best season thus far.

[Charity Lawson]

It's been an insane season. So good. Before we, like, move on from Traders, is there anybody that you think or would want to see from Bachelor that you think would do really good on it? I'm like, my votes.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Jimmy, she would be great.

[Charity Lawson]

I mean, Demi, But I don't know. She would be a good trader.

[Rachel Lindsay]

She'd be really good faithful.

[Wells Adams]

I. You know, I

[Charity Lawson]

honestly, I think that

[Wells Adams]

Jesse would be good.

[Charity Lawson]

Oh, really?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. And I've said this before. Like, Jesse's. He's got that, like, Rain man quarterback mind where, like, he's, like, kind of a genius. Like, I've seen him. I've seen him absorb, like, four pages of copy and hit a mark and do it one time and then be like, I gotta get out of here. Be like, how did you memorize all that? And I'm married to an actress who can do that. Like, on Q, I'm always, like, super impressed by him. He's also really so that, like, to be a good trader, you have to be really smart, and you also have to be really likable. And he's both of those things. And he's also used to, like, really long hours. That. The one thing that, like, we talk about a lot on my traders podcast is it's. It's so much harder for women to be traders than for men. And this might come across as like, sexist, but the truth of the matter is, is that the time of which we film in Scotland is in the summer. And so the days are really, really long. So the night doesn't really happen until like midnight. So you can't go film turret trader stuff until like two or three. And then your call times are like eight and it. And you know, you have to drive long distances.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Hey, this is the story of a bachelorette.

[Charity Lawson]

I was gonna say. I'm like, listen. I was like, well, sounds very similar.

[Wells Adams]

But then they have. So then they have to get up early because they have to do much, so much more makeup than like someone like Rob who like, doesn't do anything right. And so, like, you can never sleep. And. And so that's a big tell you. When you sit in that breakfast room, you're looking to see who looks tired. Like, it's a big thing.

[Charity Lawson]

Interesting.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Do you guys actually eat that many eggs?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, because the food sucks there.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Really?

[Wells Adams]

So bad.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Is the salmon. Like, they talk.

[Charity Lawson]

I was like, no. I was literally about to ask about the salmon.

[Wells Adams]

It's like the only thing that is somewhat good. Like you. It's so much like the Scottish. Scottish breakfast or which is like beans. And I was gonna say like a wet, half cooked tomato beige. And like their bacon is like, not good. It was not. Not a great breakfast.

[Charity Lawson]

They make it look so good. Help.

[Wells Adams]

And well, because it's like they're like, oh, the same. Because it's like the one thing that like.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Is consistently good.

[Charity Lawson]

Wow.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Oh, my gosh.

[Charity Lawson]

All the facts. I'm like, I need to.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I know. I have so many questions. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Last one. Last, last one. Is there anyone on this season that is a faithful that you thought would have made an amazing trader? Because I have a thought and I. I don't know if I'm right or wrong.

[Wells Adams]

I mean, I would have liked to see Rapaport as a trader because I just. I don't know how he would have played it.

[Rachel Lindsay]

He would have gotten voted off. So quick.

[Wells Adams]

Thing they did with Donna. I thought that was a bad play and it, like, just didn't work. I don't know who. You tell me what you think and I'll tell you if I agree with you.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Okay. I think Mark Ballas would have been the best trader ever. He's so quiet. Everyone trusts him. Like, everyone looks to him. I'm like, he would have been like, up there with Rob. I feel.

[Wells Adams]

I think that that still might happen.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I think that you think he'll recruit him and then kill him. Oh, not Mark.

[Wells Adams]

I think it's going to be him and Rob at the end. That's what I think is going to happen.

[Rachel Lindsay]

You don't think he'll bring more?

[Charity Lawson]

I love that.

[Wells Adams]

No. Because I think he can manipulate Maura without having her in the tour in the turret.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I want more to go to the end. She's so iconic and her outfits are the best. Like, who's gonna, like, be dressing when she's gone?

[Wells Adams]

You know, I got to meet her. Sarah hosted a season, a couple seasons of Love island, so I was in Fiji, and so she would come over and have drinks with us because she was doing like, like, like an after show or like.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And she's awesome. And like, she's. She's coming across as, like, like, ill informed. And that's not what I remember from. I remember thinking that she was, like, really, really smart. And so it makes me think that Mora is going to have, like, a different story arc of, like, she's gonna figure something out and, like, be a big part of the end.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I hope so. I've also watched her Love island season and she's like, a savage, the way she attacks people. Like, I just feel like we haven't gotten the full extent of Maura, so I hope to see more from her as well.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, agreed.

[Charity Lawson]

Okay. And yeah, I'm like, we have to

[Rachel Lindsay]

have any other thoughts.

[Charity Lawson]

No, we have to ask about the one and only thing that's coming up. Rachel.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Oh, my gosh. Yes.

[Charity Lawson]

Are you gonna watch Taylor season?

[Wells Adams]

Absolutely. I. I guess I can. I'll give this tease, you know. They've finished. They've since wrapped the show. But when they were filming, I was in contact with Jesse a lot because our teams were, like, playing each other in football. And he was like, calling games from, like, the college I went to. And so I was just in contact with him a lot. And I asked him, I was like, how's it going? Like, what's going on? He was like, like, dude, it's going to be so good. And he was like, and the guys we've got are gonna be so good for paradise. And I was like, yes.

[Charity Lawson]

Oh, I'm so ready.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Coming from Jesse too, I feel. I know has been like, yeah, it was okay. I'VE heard that.

[Charity Lawson]

Or we got a good love story. That's it. Wow.

[Rachel Lindsay]

What are your thoughts on Taylor Wells just before we wrap?

[Wells Adams]

I think it's a good idea. Obviously, you know, it makes sense in the Hulu world with, you know, their show, ABC and Disney and all that stuff. I think that you guys know, right? Like, it takes a special type of person to be the lead. And when you watch the show, you know, like, let's, you know, like, for the. I always said that, like, going on the Bachelorette was just, like, one long audition to see who could be the Bachelor because we. They want to see, like, who can actually talk to these people, can be good on camera, can be good, all this stuff that you need to do. And listen, she's obviously very good at that because she is the star of her own show. So in that respect, she's going to be a phenomenal lead. Obviously. Like, she comes with a little bit of baggage, too, right? So, like, that's something that she's gonna have to talk about and explain, which I think will make for enticing television. But I've always said this. You know, when it's like, no offense to Bachelorettes, but, like, the show, you.

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You.

[Wells Adams]

You guys are the lead, but the stars are. Is the cast, and. And you're just facilitating an opportunity for. For the cast to make good television. And I think that she will do a very good job of helping these guys make amazing television, which is what I'm very excited about.

[Charity Lawson]

I agree.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Absolutely. Well, Wells, thank you so much for being on Happy hour with us. This has been so fun.

[Wells Adams]

Thanks for having me, guys. I wish we were in person, and

[Rachel Lindsay]

I know I'd pour you a big

[Wells Adams]

old fat glass of champagne.

[Charity Lawson]

I was gonna say the next time I. One day, I need a drink. Ready to go.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Okay. Anything else you want to plug at the end?

[Charity Lawson]

Wells?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Listen to his podcast, watch his golf show, do all the things. Follow him on social media.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. I'm gonna use this opportunity to tell your fans out there, if you're in New York, you should go see my wife's new show on Broadway called Just in Time. She plays Connie Francis. It's the life story of Bobby Darin, and it's portrayed by Jonathan Groff, who is like the king in Hamilton or he's in Frozen or Minehunter. And he's absolutely lovely. He is. I mean, he's one of the. I think he's, like, one of the best things about Broadway right now, and he makes out with my wife eight times a week. Which I'm totally fine with. But the show is really, really good and I would if you want to go see a very fun show, go see Just In Time on Broad. And Sarah's run is limited, so I would do it in the next month or so before she and Jonathan might no longer be doing it.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I love that.

[Charity Lawson]

Adding that to my list.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yes, everyone, go see Just In Time Support Sarah. Amazing Wells. Thank you for being here and thank you everyone for listening.

[Wells Adams]

Thank you guys.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Bye.

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