Wells Adams Talks Reunion Drama and What’s Next for ‘Paradise'

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Episode Title: Wells Adams Talks Reunion Drama and What’s Next for ‘Paradise’
Date: September 18, 2025
Hosts: Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt
Guest: Wells Adams

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the behind-the-scenes of the latest Bachelor in Paradise season, particularly focusing on the reunion drama, production changes, and what the future of the series might look like. Wells Adams, franchise staple and Paradise bartender/confidant, joins Joe and Serena for a candid, humorous, and revealing conversation about the triumphs, pitfalls, and standout moments from this season, with a special look at the high-stakes drama that unfolded during the reunion.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Wells Adams’ Mindset and Personal Life ([03:04]-[04:30])

• Hangover Confessions: Wells starts the episode with a laugh, admitting he’s hungover from a night at Disneyland with his wife Sarah (who’s heading to Broadway soon).
  • “You don’t think of the bartender as being the one who overserves himself, but it happens once in a while.” – Wells ([03:10])
• Disney Magic: Wells shares Sarah’s love for Disney, mentioning she cried during the “World of Color” show—something she didn't even do at their wedding.

2. Production and Format Changes in Paradise ([05:35]-[10:33])

• New Showrunner & Direction: Wells admits initial apprehension about big production changes, including a new showrunner and new concepts, but says it paid off in stronger relationships.
  • “At first I was just apprehensive, and then…a lot of the things we changed, I just didn’t know if it was going to work.” – Wells ([05:35])
• Relationship Tests & the “Money Thing”:
  • New challenges and the introduction of a financial prize were meant to test couples' compatibilities and intentions.
  • “I was pretty impressed with the fact that so many relationships were this strong…which hasn’t been the case in years past.” – Wells ([06:35])
• Concerns About Money as Motive:
  • Joe asks about the risk of couples faking a breakup to split the money.
  • Wells suggests there could be future tweaks, hinting that next season will likely change the format to address these issues. ([07:23]-[08:36])

3. Fan-Favorite Show Elements & Set Design ([08:41]-[14:41])

• Theme Song and Silly Intros:
  • Wells recounts pushback from production about dropping the classic intro/song, predicting a fan backlash (which transpired).
    • “You need to have…people doing silly stuff with coconuts. And if not, people are going to riot.” – Wells ([09:01])
• Bar/Set Design Issues:
  • Both he and the hosts discuss missing the intimacy of the old bar (“sayita”) where he could connect with cast members.
    • “Watching this season, it’s hard to funnel everyone in to talk to me. And so it’s really fragmented.” – Wells ([12:37])
  • The new set made genuine convos and advice-giving more challenging, and some “Paradise lingo” (e.g., "jungle path," "boom boom room") disappeared along with it.

4. Toronto Talk ([10:54]-[12:22])

• Wells praises Toronto’s food scene after filming there—Serena gushes about her hometown and the in-vogue Toronto summer filming events.

5. Reunion Drama: Cat, Sean, and the Missing Receipts ([20:15]-[22:24])

• No Receipts, No Resolution:
  • Joe brings up Sean’s claim of receipts proving Cat had a boyfriend during filming, but none were produced at the reunion.
    • “I was really excited for him to come to this reunion show to show the receipts. And then he didn’t.” – Wells ([20:36])
  • Wells calls it “he said, she said,” noting this is actually the most honest cast about pre-show dating.
    • “Everyone’s way too good-looking to not have had, like, some relationships before the show started.” – Wells ([21:43])

6. Bailey, Jeremy, Alex, Andrew – The Big Reunion Fight ([22:38]-[24:27])

• Conflict Analysis:
  • The group unpacks the Bailey-Jeremy-Alex-Andrew blowup, discussing apologies, lingering grudges, and accountability.
    • “No one’s going to go through paradise totally unscathed. Right? Like, it’s an impossibility. And as long as you can just, like, own that… I respect her for that.” – Wells ([23:13])
• Cast Gaslighting & Truth Management:
  • Serena says, “this cast is gaslighting me,” due to wild deflections and denials on camera.
    • “It’s wild to me that…it’s still not Jeremy’s fault… it’s Alex’s fault or it’s Andrew’s fault. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.” – Wells ([24:02])

7. Paradise “Rules” & the Ethics of Play ([26:00]-[29:07])

• Rule Policing Disappears:
  • Serena notices a new “every man for themselves” culture compared to prior seasons’ ethical gatekeeping.
    • “Everyone was like, do what you want. I don’t care. Just don’t expose me for what I’m doing behind the scenes.” – Serena ([27:24])
• Why Things Changed:
  • Wells explains the difference: “It’s a game show now. So now you…make sure that no one is manipulating this for someone to win.”
  • The season felt more “hands off”—producers just filmed reality as it unfolded, sometimes at the expense of drama but with more authenticity.

8. Standout Relationships ([34:24]-[35:40])

• Most Legitimate Couples:
  • Wells gives high praise to Spencer & Jess and Andrew & Alex for authentic, quirky relationships that grew stronger through challenges.
    • “They’re both weirdos, but, like, authentically themselves, which…is hard to do when a camera’s being pointed at you.” – Wells ([34:55])
  • Regret expressed over Andrew & Alex's story getting cut for drama in the edit.

9. Hosting the Reunion & Production Process ([35:54]-[38:15])

• Preparation & Inspiration:
  • Wells modeled his hosting style after Andy Cohen: “Just moderates and then asks questions that the fans have and then lets that drive conversation.” ([36:28])
• Tech Behind the Scenes:
  • Wells laments technical/audio challenges, wishing for lapel microphones for everyone and recounts how he instructed cast to avoid cross-talk.

10. Paradise’s Future – Competition vs. Love? ([38:17]-[41:14])

• Wells acknowledges the show’s evolving hybrid nature:
  • “It’s a competition show. It’s a love show. It’s a little bit of both.” – Joe ([38:17])
  • “I want a combination of the two…If the mission statement is for people to get engaged…I think money helps.” – Wells ([39:46])
• Serena mentions compatibility games added fun and realism, making dating on the beach more dynamic, with Wells agreeing: “It showed things you need to know if you’re going to take that next leap.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Wells on Fan-Favorite Intros:
  • “People are going to riot about this. Like, you need…people doing silly stuff with coconuts.” ([09:01])
• Wells on Relationship Rules:
  • “They rewrote the rules this year for sure. Everything was different and then…when there was money involved…it seemed like a perfect opportunity to be like, hold on a second. Who’s here for the right reasons?” ([26:47])
• Serena on Cast Ethics:
  • “This cast is gaslighting me…they’re making me question my reality.” ([24:07])
• Wells on Andrew & Alex:
  • “They’re both weirdos, but, like, authentically themselves…It was a kind of a slower burn…I really appreciated watching their love story.” ([34:55])
• Wells, Self-Deprecating:
  • “I’m the king of knowing when you’ve out-kicked your coverage, all right? So just be happy that you’ve done this.” ([43:13])

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Key Timestamps of Importance

• [03:10] Wells is hungover after Disneyland; life with Sarah Hyland.
• [05:35] Wells discusses his mixed feelings on new production changes and how they ultimately improved relationships.
• [07:23] The introduction of money as a prize—Joe presses on implications for future seasons.
• [09:01] The infamous theme song debate and reintroduction for fan satisfaction.
• [12:37] Set design issues and nostalgia for the old “Sayita” bar.
• [20:36] Reunion drama: Sean’s missing receipts and open acknowledgment of pre-show dating.
• [23:13-24:07] Blowups between Bailey, Jeremy, Alex, Andrew; cast admits to covering up drama; gaslighting accusations.
• [26:00] Serena and Wells compare the old vs. new “rules” of Paradise.
• [34:24] Wells names Spencer & Jess and Andrew & Alex as his favorite, most genuine couples.
• [35:54-37:44] Hosting the reunion: behind-the-scenes on prep and technical audio drama.
• [39:46-41:37] Discussion about the impact of money and compatibility games on fostering real relationships.

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Tone & Language

The episode balances hilarious anecdotes (“You don’t think of the bartender as being the one who overserves himself…,”), heartfelt reflections on the evolution of Bachelor in Paradise, and pointed, honest analysis of cast dynamics and show production. The hosts and Wells are conversational, playful, and willing to get a little nerdy about TV production, while never shying from candid critiques of both cast and crew decisions.

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Recommended For:
Any fan of Bachelor Nation curious about how Paradise works behind the scenes, why the show has changed, who Wells thinks is “the real deal,” and what it’s really like when the cameras are off.

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Transcript

[Serena]

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[Joe]

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[Serena]

And I'm Serena.

[Joe]

And we are here today with a good friend of ours, Mr. Walls Adams. Walls, welcome to the podcast.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, thanks for having me, guys.

[Joe]

How you doing?

[Wells Adams]

Can I be honest with you?

[Joe]

Yes, please.

[Serena]

Always.

[Wells Adams]

I'm a little hungover today, and, you know, it's my own doing, but I was overserved by myself. You know, you don't think of the bartender as being the one who overserves himself, but it happens once in a while, so. But I'll get through this, I promise.

[Joe]

I think you will. I mean, you know what you got to get that we have in our freezer is the, you know, like the Alex Earl like.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, yeah, that face.

[Joe]

It's actually, like, really nice.

[Serena]

Like, a cap. Joe's mom recommended them to us. She was like, this is what you guys need for a headache and even better for a hangover.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I do dunk my face in cold water, and that is chef's kiss.

[Serena]

Well, you have torturous.

[Joe]

You have a. You have a cold plunge, right?

[Wells Adams]

I do, but it's broken now. I need a new, like, motor to cool it down. Doesn't get too cold, so.

[Joe]

Got it.

[Wells Adams]

We went to Disneyland last night, so shout out to. You know, Disney owns abc, so we. We have to shout out the mouse. We went to Disneyland yesterday because Sarah's about to leave for Broadway for a while, which means I'll be hanging out with you guys a lot this. This coming year into next year. So we had our kind of a go, going away, goodbye party at. At Disneyland, and it was magical, other than I was overserved.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Serena]

Sarah loves Disney, doesn't she?

[Wells Adams]

I feel like a Disney adult.

[Serena]

She's a huge Disney fan. Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. She started crying at the. The show. Like, the water show last night. World of Color. She was crying. She didn't cry at my wedding. Our wedding. Okay.

[Serena]

But she was just moved by the colors and the music.

[Wells Adams]

But Amy Poehler, you know, voicing the voice of whatever emotion she is really got her going. So, you know, it's.

[Joe]

Serena cries at the end of. Of, like, every show we watch these days.

[Serena]

Did you know.

[Wells Adams]

Did you cry at the end of Bachelor in Paradise?

[Serena]

No, I didn't. I can't say I did. But death on Vampire Diaries.

[Joe]

In Vampire Diaries, they get me. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about that. I mean, that's why you're here. You know, let's talk a little bit about Bachelor in Paradise. Overall, what were your thoughts on the season? We saw that you did host the reunion, so before we get into that.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I. I was up and down on it, if I'm being honest. While we were doing it, I wasn't sure. I mean, we were taking big swings and trying out a lot of new stuff with a production company. And so I think anytime you go into something where, like, everyone's new and all the ideas are new, it's a little scary. But by the end of it, I really enjoyed working with Scott, who's the new showrunner, and now he's going to be producing the Bachelor. So, yeah, you know, at first I was just, like, apprehensive, and then when we started doing it, I was like, oh, this is cool that, you know, a lot of the things that we changed, I just didn't know if it was going to work. Like, obviously, bringing in the goldens, that's a curveball. Who knows how that's going to go. Yeah. You know, bringing in these relationship challenges I was really into, but I wasn't sure how that was going to work. And then also the money thing, you know, of the. You know, the bad cliche of. Of this franchise is not being there for the right reasons. And all of a sudden, you put money into it. And it's like, the easiest thing to say is, you're not here for the right reasons. You're here for money. But I will say that, like, you know, I've done eight seasons now, and I was pretty impressed with the fact that so many relationships were this strong, this far removed from. From filming. Like, we did the reunion show, and I was like, wow, a lot of you guys are still together, which hasn't been the case in years past. So my thought is that all these, like, relationship tests and money and all this kind of stuff, I think it really. It strengthened the relationships that were working. And then for the other ones, it kind of, like, got rid of them. And I. I think that going forward, it's a good kind of way to do the show.

[Joe]

Well, how. I have a question. Moving forward, how are they, like, what are they going to do about the money thing? Because if I'm a new contestant coming on this show and I meet someone on the show, on the new Bachelor in Paradise and fall in love, what's to stop me and her from saying, hey, let's just break up at the end. I'll choose the money, and we'll split it.

[Wells Adams]

Like, fair enough. 1. I think that it's never vocalized, but, you know, the entire season, especially when the money was introduced, was putting all these relationship tests against the couples and seeing how they responded, and it wasn't vocalized. But the. The final test is, what do you choose? Is it the money or is it love? And so I think there's a world in which if you choose money, you don't get anything because you failed the last test. That obviously didn't happen. But I could see there being a world where, like, that was the final test that you failed. All that to be said, I don't think there's any world in which we do the season 11 like we did season 10. I think we'll have to pivot over to some new thing. We'll see what that is.

[Serena]

Yeah. Like, pick and choose from what worked, what didn't this season and kind of evolve from there.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. And I think that there were some things that. That really did work this season. And then I think there were some things that, like, Bachelor nation was angry about and want wanted to have come back. And it was interesting because, like, halfway through the season, a lot of things started coming back.

[Joe]

That Bachelor, like, the song, the theme song really just started coming back.

[Serena]

Well, it came back, and then it went away again.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. It was funny, too, because, like, I'm not. I. I'm not in the theme or the. The intro until, like, the end of the season for some reason. And I remember being like, so when am I filming my, like, funny intro? And they're like, oh, we're not doing that this year. We're doing these sexy things. And I was like, guys, I know you know what you're doing, but people are going to riot about this. Like, you need to have. And they're like, we're going to have, like, Charlie xcxing the song. And I was like, nope, I'm just telling you, it needs to be the. That everyone knows, and it needs to be people doing silly stuff with coconuts. And if not, people are going to riot. And then, like, halfway through the season, abc, I'm sure, sent the note down of, like, so we need the song back.

[Serena]

Yeah. They're like, hey, well, so actually, on your itinerary today, you're going to be filming your funny intro.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I know. That was funny. I had good ideas for my intro. I've always, you know, I think about it for the year, you know, leading up to it. And they were like, no, we're doing these sexy things. And I was like, okay, no, I don't want to. Like, I've got an idea for something. And we never got around to filming it. And then what they used was, like, this. It was, like, an upshot. So it's like, a lot of jowl. And it's like me, like, you know, breaking off some ice from the I know what you did last summer bit that I did with Jesse for the, you know, the movie integration. And I was just like, man, next. Next season, I need to make sure that, like, I film a proper one of these.

[Serena]

We need less jowl.

[Wells Adams]

Less jowl.

[Serena]

Forward angles.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. You know, like how you do a selfie. Arm up. You know.

[Joe]

Go ahead, Serena.

[Serena]

No, sorry. We've been doing this all day. Like, we cannot get.

[Joe]

We're not in the same location right now, so our timing's.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Where are you guys?

[Joe]

I'm in New York and Serena's in Toronto.

[Wells Adams]

Okay. Can we talk about Toronto real quick, please?

[Serena]

I wanted to ask you how your time was.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, my God. I went and filmed a new show there that will be coming out this holiday season, and I've only been to Toronto during the winter time, which sucked because it's very cold, and I feel like no one really goes out. But I got to do it in the summer this time. And I. I texted you and was like, where do I go? Can I just say that Toronto has the best food scene of, like, any city I've been to in a very long time.

[Serena]

It has a great food scene, right?

[Joe]

They have some. They have some restaurants that, like, we went to this place. I don't know if you were able to go there, Mar. It was, like, one of the best restaurants I've been to in a few years. It was so good.

[Wells Adams]

Now, the place I went to, Alouette.

[Joe]

Yeah, I've been there. Really?

[Serena]

That's great.

[Wells Adams]

And then Bar Revol or Revel or something.

[Serena]

So Martinez, I think, is the same owner as Baraval. Yeah, I think they're, like, actually right next to each other. That place, Bar Isabel. You went to laswan.

[Joe]

Yes, I like laswan. Yeah, they do French really well.

[Wells Adams]

They do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there was also French Canadian, Spanish, Portuguese stuff as well. Anyways, nothing but good things to say about Toronto. I loved your. Your city.

[Serena]

I'm so glad. That makes me so happy. I love all the Toronto love that's happening these days. There's so much filming here. Right now in the summer too, which is always fun and tiffs going on. So good times in Toronto.

[Wells Adams]

Nice.

[Serena]

Bachelor in paradise.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Sorry.

[Serena]

No apologies needed. Do you miss your tiny ass sticky bar?

[Wells Adams]

Yes. I was gonna. I was.

[Joe]

That's crazy that you asked that because I was gonna ask that as well. Location.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I missed the location. Just in general. Yeah. Like, if you notice watching this season, it's hard to funnel everyone in to talk to me. And so it's really fragmented. And so I was. Was. Wasn't able to do as much like, doling out of advice or like having heart to hearts with people, which I do think is an important part of my job.

[Serena]

Yeah, I noticed the, like, the layout, it's like giving like, you know, big comfy couch shape, like, and everyone's kind of got their spot, but you're kind of kept at a distance. Like the, the size of the bar is. You're like a significant physical distance from the people sitting at the bar. And then we used to all corral around your bar so it would be like a group situation. Whereas everyone's very like, pocketed off in their pairs, like, spread out. Like, definitely a different layout, which I thought was interesting.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I think that if we do the show again, we'll think about things differently because, you know, originally they were like, you're going to be in the pool bar, so everyone's going to swim up to you. Which in theory sounds really cool. And then I was like, but how often is everyone in the pool? All the time. And it was.

[Serena]

Yeah, too.

[Wells Adams]

And that was other thing is that then we have to have people over there with booms trying to pick up sound for them because they were in the pool. And then they ended up just like kind of corralling behind me where there was no camera coverage. And I was like, guys, this isn't working. You have to put me up there. And so, yeah, like, I miss the. I. I miss sayita in that respect of like, it funneled everyone to me. And then, you know, Bachelor Nation, like, became aware of, like, the slang that we would use for that old place, like jungle path or boom boom room or a hobbit hole and all this kind of stuff. And so it became almost like a character. Like the steps leading down to paradise was like a character.

[Serena]

Day beds. There's no day beds.

[Wells Adams]

No day beds, no murder bird, no crabs. So that stuff that, like, I do miss.

[Serena]

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[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed in a lot of things. Mainly, I'm annoyed that there wasn't a camera with him when he called this guy right off the show, you know, like, that would have.

[Serena]

For sure. Sure.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Serena]

And then like a SWAT team going through Cat's bag. Yeah, fun.

[Wells Adams]

Exactly. Or me, like me and Hannah with like a magnifying glass, you know.

[Serena]

Yes, exactly.

[Wells Adams]

Why didn't we do that? I remember when I heard about this, like, while we were still filming, I was like, he's got his phone and he's what? And then no one called or no one filmed him. So I was really excited for him to come to this reunion show to show the. The receipts. And then he didn't. So then I'm like, well, what's true, what's not? Yeah, like, now it's really hard for me to believe you. Like, it's a he said, she said situation.

[Serena]

Well, he kind of took a step back, too, from like, you had the phone during filming to you had it in the holding hotel.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Which is totally different situation.

[Wells Adams]

Absolutely. Like, my takeaway is that I think, I think a lot of these. These folks had. Were dating people coming into the show. And I don't think there's really anything wrong with that.

[Serena]

And I think that's. This is actually the most honest a cast has been about it, because even Andrew kind of jumped up and was like, I was dating people before we went to, like, I feel like a few people were like, we were all doing this, just no one talks about it because it's kind of seen as taboo.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I agree. And like, even Andrew was like, okay, but now that we're together, and he was like, alex, you need to make sure all your side pieces know that, like, I'm in the mix. And I was like, oh, yeah. So, yeah, I agree with you. I think that everyone's way too good looking to not have had, like, some relationships before the show started. And that's now kind of what I'm going with when it comes to Cat is, yeah, sure, she probably was kind of dating someone, maybe on and off, but she went on the show, so that means it's Kind of off, I guess. I don't know.

[Serena]

Yeah. She came on and described it as like, he was on the roster, like, he was in the mix, but, like, there was no, like, exclusive relationship happening with this person.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. Like, I get it.

[Wells Adams]

I get.

[Joe]

And I. I think you could. I think. I don't know. I don't know.

[Serena]

It's. It's a gray area.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. I just wish we could have flown him in. Get this guy in here. Let's find.

[Serena]

I want to make a reunion.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Serena]

What did you think about the other big piece of drama that happened during their reunion, which was the fight between Bailey and Jeremy and then Alex and Andrew?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. I think that. I think that Andrew had a leg to stand on a little bit. If. If everything that he said was true. Is true, then I understand where he's coming from. He. You know, him saying, like, we invited you guys. We. First of all, we called and apologized, or Alex called and apologized, and then we had you guys in Chicago and we all hung out and you stayed with us or whatever. And then we apologized again, and then you went on a podcast and kept on kind of, like, piling it on. I think it's just deflection, like, on almost on everyone's part, but I understood where, like, Andrew and Alex are coming from. I think that Alex made a mistake, and then she owned up to it, so I respect her for that. Like, no one's going to go through paradise totally unscathed. Right. Like, it's an impossibility. And as long as you can just, like, own that, like, hey, I mean, I made a huge mistake, and I'm sorry, and I should have told you, but, like, I was close to her friends, but Jeremy, or whatever his thing. Her thing was, is fine. So. Yeah, it's still. It's wild to me, though, that, like. And I love everyone, but it's wild to me that, like, still. Jerry, somehow it's not Jeremy's fault. It's Alex's fault or it's Andrew's fault. You know, like, what I say on the show is, like, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, and I still feel this way.

[Serena]

Yeah. And I feel like people were so happy, like, us included, to see you say that, because watching it, I'm like, this cast is gaslighting me. Like, I think I know what's going on here, but they're making me question my reality. And I feel like you also felt that way being in the Mix, Absolutely.

[Wells Adams]

I also told all of them because I heard about what was happening and I. It's not my place to tell. To tell Bailey about what's going on. That would be real manipulation of the situation. Right. But I had heard from. A lot of people knew, right?

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

So many people knew that Hannah and I knew.

[Serena]

And how did you feel then about Spencer at the reunion being like, I hear 12 rumors a day, most of them aren't true.

[Wells Adams]

I think that's, you know, that's a stretch. That's a big.

[Joe]

When I heard that, I was like, that's a stretch.

[Serena]

I said, sure. But like this one, though. Like, what about this one?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. I don't know. I. I think that Spencer is really good at keeping his nose clean. Right. Like, he kind of doesn't want anything to do with it, so I gotta give him grace on that whole thing. But yeah, like, I. Hannah and I both had talked to a lot of cast members on camera being like, it's wild that no one's telling her.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And then I remember a couple cast members were like, really? You think so? And I'm like, what are you talking about? What was blowing my mind? I was like, you know, this is going to be on tv, right? Like, you guys are going to have to go to some reunion show and watch these clips back, right? And they're like, yeah, but, you know, it's not our place. And you know, I. This, this younger generation is, is. Is like, they're really great about being like, that's your problem, not my problem, you know? But.

[Joe]

Yeah, but I will say, like, if I, If I just go back to like, our paradise, if I found out that was happening to someone, I don't. I mean, I may have just been like, hey, like, I'm dealing with my own right now.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, what about that? Like, did you have any grace for like, the people that are in. Working on.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, but what are people?

[Serena]

What's what? Like what?

[Joe]

I don't know. I mean, I guess I was involved in everything. I was involved in everything, so I probably would have.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. At least I was gonna say, Joe, you'd be the first one to be like, jeremy, you need to leave. Well, there's a lot of people that.

[Joe]

I would have kicked off that beat.

[Wells Adams]

Just watching this whole season. I was like, there's a lot of people that.

[Joe]

That have to go right now because you're not following the rules. There are rules coming onto this beach and a lot of you are not following them.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I. They rewrote the rules this year for sure. Yeah. I think it's. Everything was different and then. And then when there was money involved. Right. And like, you know, the, the really like finding out whose relationship was the most. It was the strongest or like ironclad. It seemed like a perfect opportunity to be like, hold on a second. Who's here for the right reasons? You know?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

It blew me away. But it is what happened. The right reasons.

[Serena]

I'm glad you kind of went out the window.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Serena]

I feel like no win this season that I feel like was the biggest difference between past seasons. This seasons is like the policing of ethics and the rules of paradise. Everyone was like, do what you want. I don't care. Just don't expose me for what I'm doing behind the scenes. I won't expose you. Every man for themselves. Keep your mouth shut and we're gonna do whatever we want down here. Whereas I feel like in the past it's like everyone's looking around being like, you're not following the rules. You're not following the rules. You gotta go. And like, what, like, do you agree? What did. Is that how it felt?

[Wells Adams]

100 and it's. This is gonna get like really like lost in the weeds here. But it's because the show is different. Right. It's a game show now. So now you. It's money's involved. There's someone there that's like making sure that no one is manipulating this for someone to win. So it became. It was such a hands off season. Like, it was just, you guys are living in this world. We're just filming all of it. This one was very much like, whatever, whatever decisions that they make, they make. Like when Susie and Justin left, I remember thinking, this is wild. These are two of our biggest stars. And they're gone. In an episode.

[Serena]

Like, I couldn't believe it. I was like, I can't believe they're letting them leave right now. Like, there's just no, there's just no way.

[Wells Adams]

But going back to what I was saying is like this, this one. It was refreshing because it was authentic. But for the person that's like making a TV show, I'm like, oh no, we're losing such big stars. But also like, that's just what happened. Like, we didn't know what she was going to do. She said no. I couldn't believe it. It blew my mind. It was amazing television. But then I was like, what's going to happen tomorrow?

[Serena]

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[Joe]

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[Serena]

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[Wells Adams]

Well, I think you see how strong Spencer and Jess are. Like, I think that was really showcased. Well, I think that we got so lost in the weeds with the Jeremy Bailey of it all that the thing that got left on the cutting room floor was how cute the Andrew and Alex relationship was. And, like, while it was happening in front of me, they're the couple that I was like, you guys, I really like watching your love story because they're both weirdos, but, like, authentically themselves, which it. It's hard to do when a camera's being pointed at you. And it was like a kind of a slower burn, you know, I don't know what season. I can't remember what season you are, but, like, what Jess and Spencer remind me of was Dylan and Hannah. It was like, okay, you guys are gonna get engaged at the end of this, right? In the beginning, right? And then there are some relationships that you see, like, kind of evolve and grow. And that was more of the Andrew and Alex thing. And I. I really appreciated watching their love story. And I was bummed that I think we. A lot of it was left on the cutting room floor for the drama, which I understand. But, yeah, they're really cute. I have a lot of respect for all the couples, but I like. I like them. They're, like, the cutest.

[Serena]

To me, they are really cute. I think they're a good fit too. Yeah, I was happy about them. How'd you feel hosting the reunion? How'd you prepare? What were you nervous about?

[Wells Adams]

How did I prepare? I. Well, we. I talked with a producer, and we kind of figured out all the stuff that we needed to get through. I mean, we had a lot of leeway because we had a much bigger chunk of time to be able to do it, which is kind of nice. Like, it was a blessing, a curse. I think it was. It was too bad it wasn't on TV and Jesse hosting it because I think the fans really wanted it. But when you do that on tv, you gotta truncate it down to a very, very small window. Whereas this one was nice because it was just really wide open and we got to talk about kind of everything. What I wanted to do was I really wanted to try to, like, emulate Andy Cohen on what. See what happens live like that. His whole thing of he kind of just moderates and then asks questions that the fans have and then lets that kind of drive conversation. I. I really, you Know, I've been on his show because of Traders and stuff, and so I liked how he did it. So that's what I was kind of emulating if you watch it back. Things I was nervous about. Logistically, I wanted everyone to be with a. With a law of Mike lapel mic. You know, all these. They don't know where it's an SM58 kind of in front of them or kind of behind. You know, some people are on top of it. And so, like, I knew as, like, the sound engineer, radio guy from my past, I was like, this is not gonna sound like I want it to sound, you know?

[Serena]

Yeah. There was one point where Jeremy, I want. I was, like, listening to it, being like, lean into the mic, Jeremy.

[Wells Adams]

I know. Then I also want to be like, all right, just send me this audio. Let me normalize it. Let me fix it. I can do this. Like, just.

[Serena]

Yeah, but I will say the isolation of audio, like, of everyone's voices, I was actually impressed by that because I was like, I don't know how they're gonna do this with everyone talking over each other.

[Wells Adams]

Well, so I had a conversation with them before, before we being like, okay, I used to be a radio host, and just let me tell you what's going to happen if you have two people talking at the same time. No one's talking. No one's going to be able to hear it, because everyone's talking over one. One another. So if you want to say something, say something, and then let that person finish before someone else starts speaking. Otherwise your point will get lost and we'll probably have to cut it because it'll sound like trash. And so they understood that, and then they kind of respected that, which was nice.

[Serena]

That's good.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Moving forward, the show is somewhat of a hybrid right now. It's a competition show. It's a love show. It's. It's a little bit of both. What do you want to see out of the cast? Do you want to see more Hot Sean's where they're trying to win the game? Or More Spencers where they're. It's all about love. Like, this is a love show for me.

[Wells Adams]

I. I think I. I really liked that all the stuff we kind of put them through made them stronger. I. I liked that. I think that that's been some. That's the problem that we've had in the past is that, like, people will get comfortable and then they kind of coast to the end of the show and they're. It's not that Interesting. You know, like, the end of the show, a lot of times you're just like, okay, what's going on? They'll bring people in where no one wants to date them, you know, because they're already teamed up, and you're like, I don't know what's going on. So I. I do like the. The new ideas that we brought in, but, you know, I still a romantic at heart, so I think I want a combination of the two. I. I don't know. I. I think that a lot of people were angry about the money. And I'll say this. If the mission statement of this whole show is to hopefully have people get engaged and, like, start a life together, because that was the big knock on seasons past or like, the last season that we did was that it wasn't successful. Right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Like, Bachelor Nation wants to. They have stakes in it, right? Like, they want the relationships to work. And if they are going to work, I think that you need. I think money helps. I think money helps with moving someone to someone else or them getting an apartment together or whatever it is. And so, yeah, if we're trying to do this thing of, like, we would like people or someone to get engaged, I do think that a monetary, like, win helps make that transition easier. Does that make sense?

[Joe]

Definitely. I could. I agree. I mean, it would have helped. I would have taken it.

[Serena]

Yeah. I would have paid for all my immigration fees. I also think, like, I know there's been a lot of criticism about the games, but having been contestants, the relationship compatibility tests would have been fun. I mean, some more than others, but, like, it would have been like, okay, like, we're not going on dates. We're not going and doing things. We're not meeting each other's friends, putting each other in, like, new environments where we can. Like, you can only learn so much about each other on the confines of this beach. So it does give you insight into other elements of these people's personalities that you're dating. Like, I liked the treasure hunt one. I know that, like, you know, with the walkie talkies, and I feel like it was, you know, seeing the way Kat and Dale work together versus Jess and Spencer, not one being better than the other, but you just. You learn a lot. I thought that was kind of a fun addition.

[Wells Adams]

I agree. You, like, you found out how competitive Dale was in that last one, right? Like, yeah, you might want to know that if, like, you're not a competitive. Like, if Cat wasn't competitive or whatever, like, yeah, you probably would have never found that out, unless they had done something like that. So I agree with you. It's also a really important thing when you're dating somebody is to know what they're like when they're a little tipsy, right?

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And so it's kind of a similar thing of, like, I like those challenges because it showed. It showed things that you need to know if you're going to take that next leap of getting engaged or leaving together.

[Serena]

Yeah. Well, it's so funny because being on the show, like, on our season, I remember thinking, like. Like, what if we get out of here and he's, like, blacking out every night? Like, what's going down?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But I mean, I was friends with Wells, so I. I was able to. I was able to drink on that show. Wells, thank you so much for taking the time, and we love talking to you, and hopefully I see you in New York soon, and that's all we got for you.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Love you guys. Good to see you. And, yeah, I'll be in. In New York. And then, yeah, also, we. We all have to go see Sarah's new show, the Bobby Dad Story with Jonathan Groff. Yeah, go in the square.

[Serena]

Yes, we would love to. We saw her in Little Shop of Horrors, and she's so freaking talented.

[Joe]

Like, she's really talented. I. I didn't realize all of her talents until I saw that. And then I was also watching Modern Family at the same time, so my perception.

[Serena]

Who is this person?

[Joe]

She said my perception of Sarah Hyland has changed. Like, I'm. I'm definitely, like, I'm a fan, you know?

[Wells Adams]

Okay. It's funny because, you know, after the reunion show went out and. And I. By the way, I love Jeremy. I love Bailey. I love everybody. And. And I said that thing in the show where I was like, is it just me, or is Bailey, like, way out of his league? Like, this guy is redder than a tomato, and he's, like, sleeping all the time. And he was like, do you really think that. You really think that she's out of my league? And I was like, 100, by the way.

[Serena]

But it's a compliment. It's a compliment.

[Wells Adams]

Was sitting right next to Bailey and I was like, 100. He was like, what? And I'm like, buddy, I'm the king of knowing when you've out kicked your coverage, all right? So just be happy that you've. That you've done this. And he was like, yeah, you're right.

[Joe]

You're right.

[Serena]

I love that part.

[Joe]

And to all our listeners. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to Bachelor Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.

[Serena]

We have new and exclusive interviews every single week. Thanks for listening. Bye.

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[Serena]

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