Epic Dreams, Chaunce's Last In-Studio Segments, Ways You'd Behave Differently without Ramifications, and Lots of Processing

Summary

Backpacker Radio – Episode July 9, 2026

"Epic Dreams, Chaunce's Last In-Studio Segments, Ways You'd Behave Differently Without Ramifications, and Lots of Processing"
Hosts: Zach "Badger" Davis & Juliana "Chaunce" Chauncey
Transcript Coverage: [00:28]–[101:30]

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Episode Overview

This emotionally resonant episode marks Juliana "Chaunce" Chauncey's final in-studio recording before her move out of Colorado. Hosts Zach "Badger" Davis and Chaunce reflect on her years with the show, navigate heartfelt goodbyes, and deliver their trademark banter and insights about the world of long-distance backpacking. Conversational detours explore the psychology and neuroscience of “epic dreaming,” hypothetical questions about behaving without consequences, gear reviews, and send-off messages from fans.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

1. Epic Dreaming: Science, Experiences, and Dinosaur Dreams

[00:28–15:38]

What is “Epic Dreaming”?

• Definition & Origins:

  • Epic dreaming is a sleep disorder characterized by “endless, exhausting dreams associated with morning tiredness and chronic daytime fatigue.”
  • First academically described in 1995 by Shank and Ma Owald; recent upsurge in interest thanks to a 2026 paper.
  • Major qualities: immersive realism, emotional neutrality, and “autobiographical salience” (dreams feel like true memories).

• Who Gets It?

  • More common in women (85%) than men (15%).

Memorable Quotes

• “It means that they [epic dreams] can feel completely indistinguishable from lived experience. And often they're recalled with the same confidence as actual memory.”
  — Juliana Chauncey [02:39]

• “Basically, that's a lot of big words, but it just means that one of them leaves their box and they go into your memory box. And they're not supposed to be in each other's boxes.”
  — Juliana Chauncey [08:01]

Personal Stories: Dinosaur Dreams

• Chaunce shares recurring, highly detailed dinosaur dreams since childhood, describing how she sometimes sets an intention to have them before bed.
• “The thing that fucking sucks, though, is when someone wakes you up in the morning... I am literally at war right now, and I need to know how it goes.”
  — Juliana Chauncey [04:35]

Current Research

• March 2026 paper proposes the “Mobius model” for understanding epic dreaming—a breakdown in REM containment leading to dreams being “filed” as real episodic memories.
• Treatments so far (therapy, hypnosis, stimulants) have not proven effective.

Panel Confessions

• Both hosts admit to feeling unrested after dreams; Chance recalls never experiencing dinosaur dreams but having “rough” nightmares.
• The paradox: epic dreams are “nightmares without fear.”

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2. Trail News & Trek Propaganda

[18:05–20:17]

• Hiker Safety Reminder:
  • Recent Grand Canyon fatality highlights the dangers of heat illness for young hikers.
• Site Contributor Izzy Wagner:
  • Piece on why you shouldn’t take other hikers' gear advice as gospel, especially for packs and stoves: fit and personal practices trump trends.

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3. Question of the Day: Would You Choose to Inconvenience Everyone for Your Own Convenience?

[20:45–34:50]

• Hypothetical Prompt:

  • A) Every time you eat a particular meal, the rest of the world loses access to it for 24 hours (and people know it’s your fault)
  • B) Every time you use an air fryer or microwave, all others become unusable until you’re done.

• Hosts’ Approaches:

  • Both gravitate to A, brainstorming elaborate systems to minimize harm or even profit from the inconvenience (“I’m selling my meals to billionaires.” — Juliana [29:55]).
  • Probing each other for system “loopholes” (“I like to try to find a loophole where it could be a win.” — Juliana Chauncey [28:53])

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4. Triple Crown: Ways You'd Behave Differently if There Were No Ramifications

[34:52–61:45]

Top Picks & Memorable Moments

• Zach:

  • Pure sun enjoyment, no sunscreen or sun hoodie needed.
    — “I would love to just go outside and spend all day in the sun without a sun hoodie, without sunscreen.” [35:28]
  • Peeing publicly with no legal or social consequences: “I get the desire to just pee publicly all the time… If it wasn't illegal, I would pee outside discreetly all the time.” [48:53]
  • Eating spicy food with no repercussions.

• Chaunce:

  • Eat everything, non-stop: “I would eat until I was too full to eat and I would keep eating… Constantly never ends. You finish putting something in your mouth and what could I eat next?” [37:39]
  • Dress like Adam Sandler every day, i.e., ultimate comfort over appearances.
  • “I would hit cars with my car”—she wishes for a day without car-repair or insurance issues just to vent road rage. “My inner demon would love to ram into people on the road that anger me... I just want to smash your car.” [54:50]

Honorable Mentions

• Both: Commit Robin Hood–esque fraud against mega-corporations, do “a ton of drugs” if there were truly no consequences, swim to the bottom of the ocean, and—classic hiker—free solo climb if invincible.

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5. Gear Review: Kettle Mountain Sun Hoodie

[62:02–72:27]

Zach’s Review

• Material: "probably the most breathable sun hoodie that I've tested." [62:48]
• Fit: Too snug and short; "this is a large, and it's a little bit tight on me. Most of the sun hoodies I test... are a little bit baggier."
• Cons: Hood falls off in any breeze ("not a sun hoodie if the hood doesn't stay on"), thumb holes too small.
• Overall: Close to excellent but ultimately a miss due to major functional drawbacks—gives it "four and a half Ch's boobs" out of 10.

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6. Processing, Transitions, and Chaunce’s Move

[15:53–18:00, multiple emotional returns throughout]

• Chaunce fights back tears about her move, describing her tendency toward nostalgia (“I have a brain that cries for what could have been.” [16:12]), and feelings about leaving Colorado and Denver behind.
• Discussion about her partner Garrett’s upcoming coaching job and their future in North Carolina.

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7. Listener Messages & Farewell Tributes

[83:39–87:13]

• Outpouring of love from fans, many wishing Chaunce the best in North Carolina and thanking her for years of laughter and vulnerability.
• Listeners comment on how the show feels like "friends in their living room," reinforcing the deep community bond.

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8. Mailbag: Hiker Poop & Pee Stories, Moving Reflections

[88:02–97:44]

• Hiker “Jackson Storm” shares classic A.T. mishaps: a nearly-missed-dream first cathole and a near disaster with a pee bottle.
• Chaunce clarifies: she’s excited for North Carolina and isn’t being “dragged” by her partner—the move is a mutual decision for future family plans and a better environment.

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9. Odds & Ends, Stupid Thing of the Week, Peptide Talk

[73:13–82:13]

• Zach details aggravating his hamstring injury, self-medicating with the experimental peptide BPC (Body Protection Compound), and discusses performance-enhancing substances, WADA, and the incomplete science behind “biohacking” recovery tools.
• Chance muses about why she can’t keep information like the difference between a microwave and convection oven in her brain—prefers to remember “where something incredibly small, minute, and random is in the house.”

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• On Goodbyes:

  • “It's a gift to be leaving something you like so much that it makes you that sad because then you had that thing. But that makes it hard.” — Chaunce [90:54]

• On Community:

  • “Thanks for the laughs, Trons. Truly feel like we're friends even though we don't know each other.” — Listener Message [85:04]

• On Female Sleep Disorders:

  • “I wonder if it hasn't gotten the attention because it is predominantly a female issue. That's a thing in medicine.” — Zach [12:38]

• On Using Loopholes:

  • “I just, like, I like when I get, like, a question like this where it feels like both is a lose in a certain way, I like to try to find a loophole where it could be a win.” — Chaunce [28:53]

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Closing Segment

• Chaunce and Zach share a back-and-forth about the emotional weight of their final in-person show together. Tears are fought, beer is consumed, and Zach reminds listeners to leave five-star reviews.
• The episode closes with a music sendoff and a sense that, although in-person podcasting is ending for Chaunce, her impact on the show, community, and the broader backpacking world will continue.

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Timestamps Overview

• Epic Dreaming Segment: 00:28–15:38
• Hiker News & Trek Propaganda: 18:05–20:17
• Would-You-Rather/Question of the Day & Behavioral Hypotheticals: 20:45–34:50
• Triple Crown (No Ramifications): 34:52–61:45
• Kettle Mountain Sun Hoodie Review: 62:02–72:27
• Personal Processing/Moving: Interwoven throughout, particularly 16:12, 90:54
• Listener Messages: 83:39–87:13
• Mailbag: 88:02–97:44

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Summary At a Glance

• Deep dive on epic dreaming—what it is, who it affects, why it’s misunderstood.
• Personal dream tales (dinosaurs and zombies) and the science behind “memory-misfiring” sleep.
• Emotional, humorous, and practical look at how we’d live if the rules didn’t apply—sunbathing, overeating, road rage, and “dietary ransom.”
• Honest goodbyes, heavy nostalgia, and the celebration of a co-host whose voice shaped the show for nearly a decade.
• The community—fans, listeners, and trail friends—gets a loving shoutout for making “Backpacker Radio” more than just a podcast, but a hiker family.

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In the spirit of the show: Happy trails, Chaunce—until the next segment.

Transcript

[Juliana Chauncey]

Bonus segment. Come down, whip out my phone. Okay, so this is something that I have not seen until recently. I saw it on a. Maybe like a post or something. It was just like people are buzzing about this thing, you know, doesn't sound like it's new, but I've not heard the terminology before and I feel like most like words that are terms for things like have traveled around by now. But this is epic dreaming.

[Chance]

You have all the best words is what you're saying.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, I've just heard them from now and then. I've never heard of epic dreaming. Have you?

[Chance]

No. That was a funny Trump quote. He literally said I have the best words.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm not up to date on my quotes. Have you heard of epic dreaming?

[Chance]

No.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay, so this was first like a wet room. No, wet dreams are different. Okay, so this was first described by Shank and Ma Owald in 95. This is quoted by Mayo Clinic. So whoever those two dudes are. Okay, you know what? They could be women, whoever those two women are in 95. It's a dreaming disorder. So it's characterized by endless exhausting dreams that are associated with morning tiredness and chronic daytime fatigue. So recently they came out.

[Chance]

I've had those before.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Well, they came out and they're basically like some people that sleep a lot and like, are not lacking sleep, are still so tired in the day.

[Rachel]

Why is that?

[Juliana Chauncey]

And then they were like, oh, because some of them are having these epic dreams where they're just like having such intense dreams that they're more tired when they wake up because it was just so action packed.

[Chance]

Did we just give a fancy psychological term to nightmares? Because I feel like that nightmares stress me out. I don't feel well rested after a nightmare.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I could see them being a subcategory of epic dreaming.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So they are defined. Epic dreams, specifically, they are defined by three key qualities. So they need immersive realism, emotional neutrality, and persistent autobiographical. Autobiographical salience.

[Chance]

Okay, so not a nightmare because that's not emotionally neutral.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Well, it means that they can feel completely indistinguishable from lived experience. And often they're recalled with the same confidence as actual memory.

[Chance]

It's almost like Inception.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Right. The part that makes them so tiring is that the person doesn't actually realize they're asleep in them. Cuz they're so realistic that they're just like. They wake up and they recall them as if they're recalling the birthday party they went to last week. Uhhuh. So who gets it? Epic dreaming is significantly more Common in women than men, 85% women, 15% men.

[Chance]

And EPIC dreams.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I don't. I don't know. I'm tired in the morning. I love dreaming. Well, I love dreaming.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

My favorite dreams are dinosaur dreams. Like when dinosaurs come back.

[Chance]

There's no way that would be epic dreaming because it's so fantastical that you couldn't be unaware that it's real or not.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You've never had a dinosaur dream then?

[Chance]

I don't think so.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay. These dreams are specific. Dinosaurs come back. I've been having them since I was a kid. They happen every now and then.

[Chance]

Is this like a genre of they're scary?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like nightmares. Like, you don't want them like a nightmare, but sometimes you do because it's like you're watching an action movie that's just, like, kind of suspenseful. It's like watching the suspense versus horror, where you're like, I actually enjoyed this plot versus that one's not fun. Usually they come down from the clouds is how it starts.

[Chance]

Like, they're just descending.

[Juliana Chauncey]

They just. Like the clouds make movements and then like something. It's like the apocalypse movie starts. They've come down from the clouds. Then the dinosaur movie. The dinosaur dream starts. I've had ones where it's like my. When I lived at home, my neighborhood I grew up on immense detail where it was like I had to leave my house when I woke up because there were dinosaurs outside. And I looked outside and there was a greenhouse, and people were trying to climb up it and falling off. And the T. Rex was there. We don't have a greenhouse. I digress. Sometimes I would go to bed with the thought in my head where I'm like, try your hardest to have a dinosaur dream tonight. Cause when I would. Oh, my God. Incredible.

[Chance]

Yeah, that sounds awesome.

[Juliana Chauncey]

The thing that fucking sucks, though, is when someone wakes you up in the morning and they, like, don't understand. I'm not sleeping till two. Cause I'm being a bum. I am literally at war right now, and I need to know how it goes. And so then you get woken up from it and you're just pissed. You're like, let me go back.

[Chance]

Yeah. Are you actively fighting the dinosaurs or is it.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, I hide. So in the last one I had, I was in my neighbor's house. This is the Trainers. They lived on the cul de sac. And their house is yellow.

[Chance]

And.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And we don't. We never really, as kids went in their house. They weren't the couple that had kids our age. So it Was always a little more of a mystery. But they had, like, these large pine trees around the bend of the dead end that I would climb, and I would just, like, go to the top of them and just sit there. Fucking weird. You're like them and looking in your background backyard, and I'm just sitting in a tree. But in the dream with the dinosaurs, after I got away from the greenhouse, which is not accurate, I ran around the corner of the block. I went to the trainer's backyard, and then I went into their basement, and they had a fridge, and you could open the fridge and you could, like, go through it to a safe room. And I finally figured it out as. As I was going back through the fridge, I looked out the window. Weird, because it was a basement and the dinosaurs were ascending back into the clouds. So I don't know how you feel about that. As someone who hates when people tell you about their dreams, I was gonna

[Chance]

let it go as my gift to you on your last studio.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But that's a.

[Chance]

That's better than most of them, I would say.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. So that's. When we talk about epic dreaming. I'm like, if every dream was like that. Yeah, yeah. I'd be hands down, like, yeah, I do that, sure. But I have to, like, put thought in before closing my eyes, being like, you're setting intentions. Come on, brain, make this happen.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Though I had a really, really good zombie dream the other night.

[Chance]

While you're dinosaur dreaming, I've tried lucid dreaming.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I can't do it because I'm just too. If I'm conscious, I'm awake. I can't buy into the story. So if I. If I somewhat drift out of a dream, I get really upset. Especially if it's realistic. Like this one I had the other day with the zombies. I was hiding on, like, a platform, and then I drifted out and it was like, well, what's the point? It's not real. Like, it's not, you know, like, I don't go back in. And I'm like, now I can make reality bend to my will. I go back in, and I'm like, now I actually have to think about the plot because, like, nothing's going to change unless I decide it's going to.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And then it just. It becomes work. So anyway, I digress. Sorry for telling you about my dream.

[Chance]

Epic dreaming.

[Juliana Chauncey]

If you can ever convince yourself to have a dinosaur dream, it's great. Anyway, so in a study of 23 epic dreaming patients, 78% had some accompanying disorder. So they either Had a sleep disorder like obstructive sleep apnea or restless leg syndrome, or a psychiatric condition like major depressive disorder. Um, sleep disorders caused continuous interruption throughout the night, heightened awareness of dreams, psychiatric conditions altered sleep structure in ways that made dreaming more prominent. Uh, but if we go into what's happening in the brain, this is where it gets fascinating. So a March 2026, we're talking current events. Yeah, hi, me on the local news talking current events. March 2026, a paper was published. And maybe that's why it was going all around my feeds around then was because this paper came out in communications. Biology is the place it was published, and it introduced a new model to explain the neuroscience. So basically, they argued that epic dreaming reflects a systems level failure of REM sleep's containment architecture. Basically a convergence of neuromodularity disruption, hippocampal novelty misclassification, and oscillatory and stability that allows internally generated dream content to enter episodic memory. Basically, that's a lot of big words, but it just means that one of them leaves their box and they go into your memory box. And they're not supposed to be in each other's boxes. In plain terms, your brain's filling system misfires and stores the dream as if it were a real event. So you're storing it in your real event memories.

[Chance]

Yeah, I feel like that would overload your hard drive pretty quickly.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. So they call this the Mobius model. And they put those two fun dots over the. Oh, and they named it after the endless loop of Mobius strip. Which feels apt given the name of the condition. I have no idea what that is. Apparently what it feels like. They start to feel almost. Dreams start. Seem to start almost immediately upon falling asleep. They continue for what feels like hours. And even when drifting in and out of partial wakefulness, the same dream resumes. So it's not like you come out of sleep and then you go back in and something different happens. It goes right back. The only way to break the cycle is to physically get up and move around. So you have to like, get up and move around and then when you return to bed, a new dream will start. People who epic dream, they never wake up feeling refreshed or rested. And that's kind of what's been buzzing on the feed is like, hey, maybe you're tired not because you got not enough sleep or too much sleep, but

[Chance]

maybe you're epic dreaming.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You're just like, ultimately fud. And it's because it's exhausting, literally, because You've been quote unquote on all night. So there's like the cause, the underlying biology, all that unknown. Treatments include cognitive therapy, hypnosis, relaxation techniques like, you know, whatever. They're, they've proved largely than effective so they're not helping. They've suggested stimulants like Modafinil, Odafil. Okay, that one taken in the morning. But they, but, but you're right. So when you were talking about it can't be a nightmare because it doesn't have the emotional intensity. It's basically the paradox is it's a nightmare without fear paradox. So the researchers have debated whether epic dreams are essentially nightmares stripped of their emotional intensity. Like and all of the vividness or none of the dread or if it is then not a nightmare, you know. And then there's also like they're, they're currently still in the process of trying to figure out like why is it 85% women?

[Chance]

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[Juliana Chauncey]

So there's a, there's a hypothesize as

[Chance]

to whether this is a new phenomenon or this is just something that they're recently diagnosing.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, because that first article by the two dudes slash women came out in 95 so that was 30 years ago.

[Chance]

Yeah. Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But this is just like a, like 31 years later, they published a follow up, up, I guess, publication that like, brought it into the spotlight recently. But if they talked about it in 95, it's by no means a new idea. Yeah, it's just like maybe we didn't believe them.

[Chance]

I wonder if it hasn't gotten the attention because it is predominantly a female issue. That's a thing in medicine.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Teach me about it.

[Chance]

You want me to mansplain?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Tell me about women in medicine.

[Chance]

I know you're aware.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, I'm kidding. Yeah, no, probably, you know, because, like, they'll figure it out. But yeah, very curious because I oftentimes wake up exhausted and I am someone where if you wake me up in the middle of a really good dream, which you can never know. I've had to have this talk with boyfriends and I've had to have this talk with Garrett where I'm like, listen, there will be times where it's Saturday and it's noon and you want to get your day started and you want to come wake me up if I. If I shrug you off and tell you kind of aggressively to go away, get the fuck away from me. And it's not cuz I'm lazy. I want more sleep.

[Chance]

It's not conditions in which someone can wake you from that slumber like a fire.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, I'll just like, I'll just.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I mean, like a. A crisis, fine. But like, if it's not urgent. Yeah, I mean, you know, anything that's urgent, sure, tell me. Yeah, but if it's not urgent, it's like, I want to watch TV on the couch or like, let's order lunch or something. Something where it's like, this didn't need me.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And I'm a good rule for that. And I'm in. I'm in the dinosaur dream and I'm going into the fridge and they haven't ascended back into the clouds. And you wake me up and I don't know how it ends. I'm gonna be furious. And then I'm in a bad mood all day. It's like when you cheat on me in my dreams. Like, I'm pissed at you all day and you didn't do anything. Yeah, same scenario. You didn't do anything. So my pre talk is always like, hey, I don't want us facing the situation.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I care about this a lot.

[Chance]

Yeah. Chance is doing some work right now.

[Juliana Chauncey]

If I'm having a fudgeing good dream, these Things are, like, vivid. Don't. Don't pull me out of it. I enjoy that. I enjoy the heck out of them.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Chance]

Are there other people?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Oh, yeah. Like, one time I had a vivid dream with Garrett.

[Chance]

But I mean, specifically in your dinosaur dreams.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. I mean, there's the people that were climbing the greenhouse, that were getting eaten. There's, like, the people running around. Usually there's like one or two. Like, with me, you know, usually there's, like, we squat up in some sort of way. But, yeah, dreams.

[Chance]

Cool.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Your favorite topic. I had to end on your favorite topic.

[Chance]

I don't hate dreams as a category, just other people's specific dreams. But that was great. That was a good one.

[Juliana Chauncey]

What do you think about dinosaur dreams? I think you could go home.

[Chance]

I'm jealous.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Just really try before you go to, like, while you're laying there with your head on your pillow, just tell yourself that's the. That's always when I make it work. I just tell myself when I'm putting my head on my pillow, have an epic dinosaur dream tonight. And sometimes it happens.

[Chance]

I'm a sicko. That I will literally fall asleep, typically listening to a podcast or watching something mellow. And those subjects never leak into my dreams. If they did, it would usually just be like. It would probably be Caleb Williams on repeat.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I have been going to sleep to the Martha Stewart channel every night. It's really soothing.

[Chance]

Yeah, girl boss.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So that's my segment, and it's my last one. So, yeah,

[Chance]

dreams. We learned about dreams.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Dreams.

[Chance]

Epic dreams. Do we need an impromptu processing?

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, because I can't talk. If I talk about it, I'm gonna cry. I'm such a fucking crybaby. I cry all the time.

[Chance]

Do you? I mean, I've seen you cry, but not, like, frequently. I'm gonna grab a water real quickly. Do you want anything?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Where are you getting a water? No, I have my Canada Dry spin drift, and I have my. No, I've got my Sunny dm. I cannot dry.

[Chance]

This is your last chance with the listeners for a minute in the studio,

[Juliana Chauncey]

so stop saying the last. The last. Oh, my God. She's fine now I'm getting hot. I've got to take all these off. I'm sweating. Oh, overheating. There's something in this. Oh, no, it's a tag. No, I don't need to process out loud. I'm just. Every time, like, when it's like. Okay, now we're gonna ask our peak performance question or Goodbye, guest. Now we're starting the segments we're just inching closer to the end. And I unfortunately don't have a brain that smiles for it happening. I have a brain that cries for what could have been. You know, like, again, she's a pessimist.

[Rachel]

But

[Juliana Chauncey]

no, because if every time I think about it, I think about where we are in this current recording process of tonight, and then my brain says, you're this much closer to never being here again. And then I look at something like that light, which means nothing to me, and I think, remember that view because you'll never see it from this angle again. And I just. I don't think I need to do that to myself. But that's typically how I handle things. So I. I make it worse.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Because I don't want to forget things. So then I go in with the nostalgia and then I am sad.

[Chance]

Yeah. So when does Garrett start his coaching?

[Juliana Chauncey]

I don't know. This is not his day job. The. The second week of September. Okay. Not the weekend of the seventh, but the weekend after.

[Chance]

Okay. Well, any of them.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Well, that's when his games are. They might coach earlier, I would imagine. Probably.

[Chance]

This is club hockey or this is.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, club. It's his first coaching job.

[Chance]

Will any of this be like, streamed? Can people watch Garrett?

[Juliana Chauncey]

I have no idea. I have no idea. I know they wear suits. They told him that and he was like, great, I've got suits. I don't know anything else.

[Chance]

I'm sure we'll sprinkle in some processing as we go here, but let's get into some Trek propaganda. I'm going to go to the second story. Very sad, but straightforward. This is teen hiker dies in Grand Canyon national park amid extreme heat. Just going to read the first part here, which is the relevant. An 18 year old hiker has died following a heat related emergency in Grand Canyon National Park. According to the National Park Service, the incident occurred on Wednesday, June 3, when park rangers received reports of a young man experiencing symptoms of heat illness on the Bright Angel Trail. Upon arriving at the scene, rangers located the teen approximately 30ft below the trail near Garden Creek.

[Rachel]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Chance]

Despite immediate life saving efforts and emergency helicopter extraction, the hiker could not be saved. So hearts go out to the loved ones of this. It's always sadder when it's a young person. Every death is sad, obviously, but like 18 year old still had a lot of life.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, that's really sad. Yeah.

[Chance]

Less sad is we have a new contributor at the Trek. Izzy Wagner recently wrote a piece for us, why you should never take Gear advice to heart. This is a subject that has popped up a lot in the last couple of episodes, so it just seemed very fitting. Izzy argues that you shouldn't take most gear advice as gospel, especially for certain gear categories. Two of the categories that she outlines, and I believe there's five in this piece. One is stoves, because the online hype can push you toward bulkier, pricier options like the Jet Boil. Although we just learned that the Jet Boil is a favorite of some recent hikers when a cheap, secondhand, basic stove may work just as well. Personal preference, weight, cost, boil, speed. And the other category this is very appropriate for today's podcast is backpacks, because your pack basically becomes your shell and you need to get your specific measurements. Shoulder width, torso length, frame, rather than whatever brand seems to be trending amongst thru hikers. So if you want to hear which gear categories you should not just copy and paste from someone else's gear list, head on over to the link in the show notes to get Izzy's full piece. Well done, Izzy. Question of the day. I think this is Elise, right?

[Juliana Chauncey]

It must be. Yeah, it has to be, I think because it wasn't me. I thought it came from you. No, usually you're the food or the poop.

[Chance]

Well, that's not quite what this is.

[Juliana Chauncey]

This is a food one.

[Chance]

It's. Oh, I thought you were saying is between food and poop in the question, but okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, usually when you come up with a question of the day, it has to do with food or poop.

[Chance]

That's a fair assessment.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I've calmed down so I can put my leg warmer back on because now I'm getting cold again.

[Chance]

Would you rather a. Every time you eat a particular meal, the rest of the world loses access to this meal for 24 hours. People know about this. These better you pour and I get to choose which cup.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Fine.

[Chance]

And people know about this. People lose access to this meal for 24 hours. People know about this. You may receive threats, but you are protected. Or B, anytime you use an air fryer or microwave, all others on earth become unusable until you finish using it again. You may receive threats, but you are protected.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Easy answer.

[Chance]

That was pretty good pour.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, well, because you're going to choose. I was going to make them even. Yeah, I knew you weren't choosing the last time, so I gave you an extra, you know, little something.

[Chance]

I would have guessed that it's proportionate

[Juliana Chauncey]

to our body bmi.

[Chance]

That's fair.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Well, BMI know that we could have the same BMI but it's proportionate to our weight.

[Chance]

My BMI is also higher.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, but maybe not.

[Chance]

No, it is.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I don't know.

[Chance]

You're not overweight.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I haven't fit into a lot of clothes recently. It's stress eating, not moving a lot, and drinking. Yeah, that too. It's also contributed.

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Chance]

Never.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. The.

[Rachel]

The.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. Clothes aren't fitting the same. Cheers. I'm not answering until we do this little shot that I poured us. This is a plug for the YouTube if you want to watch us take shots and me cry.

[Chance]

Yeah. I'm only doing this for you. I was not prepared to drink today,

[Juliana Chauncey]

but I'm only doing this for me, too. I wasn't going to drink today.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

If it wasn't my last day, I wouldn't.

[Chance]

Good.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Cheers.

[Chance]

Cheers.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You won't have to do this anymore. I hope you get someone really boring who doesn't like to do anything fun. But I also don't because I want

[Chance]

the show to succeed. I feel like your brain's got to be primed for what's going in. It was not there. So that hit. Not the best, but we're good.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I didn't prime my brain.

[Chance]

Okay, so I have some hypothetical or I guess some clarifying questions about this one.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I've just got a strong take. Okay, which do you want? Do you want to tell me your clarifying questions and get into it slowly and then I drop my bomb, or do you want me to just.

[Chance]

Well, let's set the groundwork so we're working with the same rules. First, my biggest question is how specific is this meal? So, for instance, my most common breakfast is a version of avocado toast where I make toast avocado and then I also put an over easy egg on top of the toast. Is that qualified as avocado toast? Is that eggs? It have to be the specific combination.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I would say that style, but not. Not so specific that it's like if you put onion powder and someone didn't. It's not the same. But toast avocado egg. Like the general structure of it. Like if you have a BLT sandwich, someone else can have an lt. Yeah. But they can't have a blt.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So if you have an egg avocado toast, they can have an avocado toast, but they can't have an egg avocado toast.

[Chance]

What if I add a slice of cheese to the bottom of it?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Then they can't do that. They can do it without it.

[Chance]

Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Because it's different. A hamburger and A cheeseburger are two different menu items.

[Rachel]

Sure.

[Chance]

Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's not the same. They don't make one menu item for hamburger, and then they put add cheese. $2.

[Chance]

Sure.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's hamburger, cheeseburger.

[Chance]

In that case, I would feel confident in my ability to tweak a meal enough that I'm not impacting enough other people. If we're saying spices don't do deviate enough, but, like, other ingredients do, I feel like I could get. Because one thing I do from time to time is I'll put, like, deli turkey on my avocado toast with egg just to up the protein.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yep.

[Chance]

And I feel like that I. There can't be that many people that are eating that specific meal. In which case, I'd be happy to fall on that sword. Even though it's not the best combination, I do it often enough. I would probably choose the food option because I can eat some really bizarre food. Compost, for instance.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Zach, they're both food options.

[Chance]

I know. I'm just saying I don't think anyone's eating avocado toast with.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No. Which A, A and B are both food options?

[Chance]

I mean, the specific meal.

[Juliana Chauncey]

A, yeah. Okay.

[Chance]

Not the. Not the way the fries cooked specifically.

[Rachel]

Why won't you say the word?

[Chance]

Well, I'm considering A, The. The food option and B, the cook option. The one is what you're eating, the other is how you eat.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Maybe you're not firing some pottery in the kiln. That's not what you're cooking. You're cooking food.

[Rachel]

Both food options.

[Chance]

I understand, but we use the microwave so often for the kiddos that it would be really rude for, like, multiple minutes every day, someone else or a lot of everyone not to be able to access their microwave.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yes, I understand your logic. I. What I'm. What I'm saying is the way that you are wording it is hard to follow.

[Chance]

They're both food options. I'm just saying.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So when you say the food option, I don't know what you're picking. And as a listener to your words, it. I have no clarity.

[Chance]

I'm saying one is the meal, the other is the preparation.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Right, right, right. Yeah. Okay. So you're a, A easily. I'm also a B. Would be really easy if I was, like, fun, clean eating garden girl that did a bunch of shit and never needed a microwave or an air fryer. Like, oh, to be so healthy. That would be.

[Chance]

Are you air frying often?

[Juliana Chauncey]

I air fried today. It's not my air fryer. It's my housemates. But you'll have one soon. No, I have a toasted air fryer. I haven't opened it yet because all the nice wedding stuff, I didn't open because I want it to be nice and not used by other people. But I don't know how that one, I don't know. It looks like a toaster oven. Like, you pull the door down. I don't know how that air fries. I actually don't even know how air fryers air fry because you close the basket and you. You don't see what happens inside.

[Chance]

Yeah, it's just a. It's a marketing term. It really is just a glorified microwave convection oven. So it does that. It just means it circulates the air.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And a microwave does what?

[Chance]

Different microwave uses microwaves to heat the food.

[Juliana Chauncey]

This is like, when you say. And it's like, I like you're saying words. They don't mean anything. Not you specifically, but, like, the words you're saying, like convection oven, microwaves.

[Chance]

I understand a convection oven better than I understand how a microwave works. But a convection oven really just means it's circulating the air.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And I can follow you as you're saying it. My brain will never, like, process enough to store that info and differentiate. And I don't think it's from a lack of ability or a lack of able to do something smart like store that knowledge and remember it. I just don't see it as necessary. Maybe deep down, not when you say it. When you say that I'm not like, what you say doesn't matter. But deep down, I think that my brain says this information is not crucial. And so we're gonna store it in the temporary drive, and it's gonna fleet.

[Rachel]

Sure.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah.

[Chance]

We have very different brains that way. Like, you latch onto history facts much easier than I do. I like cooking a lot. So, like, this stuff is a little bit stickier.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Or ask me where something incredibly small, minute, and random is in the house.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And as long as no one's tidied up, I can tell you exactly.

[Chance]

Sure.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I used to get so mad when I was growing up because my mom used to, like, go in and clean my room when I wouldn't. And I'd be livid because I'm like, I knew where everything was. And now that you've done this, I don't know where a single thing is. Don't know how that relates. Anyway, my answer is a. Now that you've checked the time visibly.

[Chance]

No, no, no.

[Juliana Chauncey]

That's pushing me.

[Chance]

I Always have the fear that I haven't started the recording. That's what I'm doing.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay.

[Rachel]

Fair.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You don't want to hear about epic dreaming again. My answer is a.

[Chance]

Why?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Because I think that there's a way to game the system with a. As someone who. I wouldn't say I'm like, naturally shifty. I think that's, like, a very bad way to describe oneself. I just, like, how would you describe. I like when I get, like, a question like this where it feels like both is a lose in a certain way, I like to try to find a loophole where it could be a win.

[Chance]

I think that's what I was trying to do with, like, the. Making the meal more obscure each time.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. I feel like. I feel like definition. That's shifty. But. But I'm not shifty in that. Like, I'm gonna go into a car that's not locked and steal my friend's purse.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Chance]

It's a loophole.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Right. I look for those.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And it makes me really unbearable in, like, work settings because, like, if we have, like. Like, rules of engagement where it's like ownership accounts, like, who owns what accounts. I really study those. And if there's a loophole, I'm like, that's a loophole.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So I really great thing about current job is it goes based off zip code. The last one previous to that was based off of all these complicated rules, and all I had to do was study them. And if someone slipped up, just not great. But that's my brain anyway, so I choose A.

[Chance]

Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And the reason why I think I could game the system with A is because the rest. Every time I eat a particular meal, the rest of the world loses access to this meal for 24 hours.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Think about, like, the richest people in the world and the shit they like to eat. I won't eat that. If you buy my meal, you buy. How about whatever you're craving tonight? You're craving a steak and potatoes tonight? Sure. Why don't you buy me a chicken and broccoli, and then I won't eat them tonight. Tomorrow you want a chicken?

[Rachel]

Broccoli. Great.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Buy me steak and potatoes.

[Chance]

You're blackmailing the world.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, I'm not blackmailing the world. I'm selling my. I'm selling my meals.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm saying, hey, if you don't want this to impact you and you have enough you money to just throw it around and not give a where it goes, why not give it to me? Yeah, I won't eat what you want to eat that night.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And it's not taking advantage because these people have too much money that they don't know what to do with and could like literally put it anywhere else. And they will. They probably.

[Chance]

Would you go?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Would you?

[Chance]

Probably eating canned sardines.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, because all I have to do is not eat what they're eating.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's not like I have to eat money.

[Chance]

Well, then you get into a bidding war. This is a way to make money.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Exactly.

[Chance]

Whoever. Whoever pays you the most.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Am I eating chicken or steak tonight? Well, chickens in at X amount, steaks in at Y amount, cutoffs in 20 minutes.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Is chicken and barter back?

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You know, like he's got a hot date with a girl at this restaurant and the chicken's really good. Does he want her to not be able to order it?

[Chance]

Yep. He drops 10 grand.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So that's like, I'm going to gamify it and make it really fun for me because I now this is a

[Chance]

better money making scheme than the going to the bathroom and gas stations.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. Because I don't feel bad exploiting billionaire. And I also don't think I'm exploiting them. Like, if. Have you ever seen the shit about Taylor Swift where it's like, if she dropped, like if she dropped a check for $1,000, it would cost her more money to pick it up than it would to just leave it. Or if she. If, like if she dropped a thousand dollar bill, if one exists.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It would cost her more money to pick it up. To stop her day and pick it up. Based on what? Like if you break down her earnings per second than it would for her to keep walking. And for people like that, I don't think. I don't think it's the same way. I think it's like me spending five bucks at McDonald's is the way that they would view it. You know, it's like that. It doesn't. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to them. So if I could say, hey, conglomerate of billionaires, what do you want to eat for dinner tonight? Great. Who doesn't want to get fucked over? Great. I'm going to eat one of these meals. Which one should it not be? That would be fun.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I would say for me, I don't really care for them. They have enough fun at my expense.

[Chance]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It'd be fun for me for once.

[Chance]

You could probably retire in like three months doing that.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But it's just like. So that's Why I choose a. Because I think, I think the wording of it says that there will always be a way for me to take it and be like, I'm not choosing what to eat because then I'm the bad guy. I will let you guys choose and I will just like, I'll take out emotion and I'll just give it to the highest bidder.

[Chance]

What if in the hypothetical you're not allowed to communicate with the outside world about your intentions for food?

[Juliana Chauncey]

That would be a incredibly different life.

[Chance]

Yeah, definitely.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like we can't coordinate brunch plans or plan a date.

[Chance]

What I'm saying is you can't coordinate with these so called billionaires about like the meals that you're between. Like you just had to decide what you're going to eat.

[Juliana Chauncey]

If I can't talk to anyone and I don't hear any feedback, I'm just going to eat what I would normally eat and go about my daily life because I would never hear any feedback from them.

[Chance]

Well, let's say that you just can't profit off of it. We'll say that

[Juliana Chauncey]

just like the man trying to get me down again. Why not?

[Chance]

Yeah, I'm seeing if it changes your answer.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, no, I. Here's the thing. I don't microwave or air fry often, but I, I do like leftovers. I could put them in the oven.

[Chance]

Yeah, that's definitely the.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I would. If I couldn't profit off of people, I would probably choose B. And I don't mean profit off of people as in like the average everyday person. Like, I'm not trying to exploit people. I am talking about the Jeff Bezos of the world. I would take all his money if I could. Yeah, right. Like, I don't know, like, how is this gonna get twisted against me? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to think of right now. I don't think it can.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Would you not take.

[Chance]

I don't know if I would take all of anyone's money.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No. Okay. That was figurative. If you could overcharge Jeff Bezos for something, but you know, comparatively to his net worth, it's the difference between a dime and a quarter.

[Chance]

Yeah, I mean, of course.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Right. That's what I'm saying.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm talking about what would be the equivalent of a dime or a quarter for someone. They won't pick that up from under the couch. I'm not doing any major damage. I'm just choosing my selections based off of something that means nothing to someone but could be life changing for me.

[Chance]

Yeah. Food ransom.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Why not? It makes it fun. It makes it exciting.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Good. So that's mine.

[Chance]

We aligned in different ways, but we aligned. Okay. This one is mine. This is the triple crown of ways you'd behave differently if there were no ramifications. I'll start because the one that inspired this is. I just. I love the feeling of being in the sun, which is so not good for me. As I've learned, unfortunately, if there were no ramifications, I would love to just go outside and spend all day in the sun without a sun hoodie, without sunscreen. I would just fucking soak up vitamin D and be tan and be awesome. So that'd be my top one. Is just exist in the sun without worrying about it or having to protect myself from it.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yep. The inner fat child in me again. Remember the listener. We do this for the listener. The listener that's listened for a while, they remember. We did ugly winter. I cut all my hair off. I stopped embracing cute things. I had ugly winter. It was my time to be my caterpillar self. And I would come in the cocoon and I have cute girl summer. When Cute girl summer. You saw me Lizzie McGuire shoes. They're cute.

[Chance]

What season are you going into in North Carolina?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Cute girl summer. Told you. That comes after ugly winter.

[Chance]

I wasn't sure if it was actually season based or if it was like life circumstance based.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, it is season. It's season based

[Rachel]

on.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Because she's seasonally depressed and so not in a way of like, she's not normally afflicted with depression. We are. And not in a way where she's cutely talking about it. Medically diagnosed, not cutely talking about it. Not stretching a scenario, but it does afflict more in the. In the winter times.

[Chance]

Do you suspect that will decrease in North Carolina with warmer winters?

[Juliana Chauncey]

That's the reason we chose.

[Chance]

Sure.

[Juliana Chauncey]

The area. Like we.

[Rachel]

If.

[Juliana Chauncey]

If it wasn't for the cold, I would be moving to New York.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Actually, no. That's a lie. I'd be moving to Vermont or New Hampshire.

[Chance]

Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Those are the two places I tried to push with Garrett.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And he didn't say no to out of winter, but he didn't say no to Vermont or New Hampshire. Because he doesn't. He's not open to it. He was like, you will hate it.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And I was like, no, I'll love it. He's like, well, you'll love it for three months. And he is right. So I do think it will improve.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm looking forward to it. I'm also comparatively to like 6 months ago, more regulated. She's on an accurate dosage that she's taking regularly. She doesn't usually do that. You know, like, we're good. Thank you.

[Chance]

That's awesome.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Thank you. Oh, my God. Thanks. So, yeah. Ways I would behave differently if there were no ramifications, medications. I just had the first one and it was a really good one. Oh, my God.

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Juliana Chauncey]

The fat kid. I would eat everything.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Thank you for remembering that. I would eat everything. Yeah, I would eat everything. I would eat until I was too full to eat and I would keep eating. Yeah. Because I have some sort of oral fixation where even if I'm not hungry, I want to be chewing something. And that is how you get, like, overweight.

[Rachel]

Sure.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And for anyone who's like, don't say that. You don't know I have the. Do you want to see my fat photo?

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Oh, my God. I'll show it to you because it's our last day.

[Chance]

How old?

[Juliana Chauncey]

This is from 2013. I save it in an album on my phone that's easily accessible. So I can always remind myself.

[Chance]

Hold it up for the camera.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, I mean that it's. The sentence itself is like, she's got some problems.

[Chance]

Always.

[Juliana Chauncey]

She always has. This one's a really good one, though, because people doubt it. Like, okay, my bachelorette last year, I was looking at photos because I was packing. I looked so good. Tan, thin. Could see my ribs.

[Chance]

Was this the spray?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Loved it. Yeah, it was a spray tan. Who cares? Yeah, it looked great. I was smiling. In a photo, you can see like three ribs. Yeah, it was. I don't think that's a good thing. But no, for me, it is me. It was delightful. I loved it. Call me unhealthy. I'm just telling you what's. I'm telling you what my heart speaks. I'm not saying it's healthy or right or not triggering. I'm just telling you what my internal monologue values.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And that's it. And that's only it.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But I've got to find you this photo. Here we go.

[Chance]

Does it matter to you that I think most guys would prefer not for men. Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

For other reasons. If I did it. If I did it. No, it's for me.

[Chance]

Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's I. It's how I feel good when I wake up and look in the mirror. And it's also like when you walk. Like, have you ever put on a 40 pound pack and walked? And then you're like, wow, each step feels heavier quite a bit. Okay, well, if you gain 40 pounds, guess what? Those are your elephant steps, you know? So when I. When I'm walking and it feels more difficult, I'm like, oh, anyway, I could go about all day with this, but here's my fat photo. So whenever someone doesn't believe me, I show them this, and then they say, oh. And I will tell you that a good friend's twin sister at the time referred to me to her, which for some fucked up reason, she told me as a roly poly bug. So when I see this photo, I think of a roly poly bug.

[Chance]

It's a little bit bigger than I was expecting. But that's not like it's bigger than you were expecting. It was bigger than I was expecting.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And I prepped you. Yeah, I prepped you for big.

[Chance]

Yeah, it was 13.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So that's where. When I'm. When I'm not fitting in my pants,

[Chance]

someone's gonna pause it.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's fine when I'm. But when I'm not fitting in my pants and I'm like, this is tight. This shirt's tighter than it usually is. That's in my brain.

[Rachel]

Sure.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like, that's what I look like.

[Chance]

I mean, I was bigger than that by a lot at one point, but

[Juliana Chauncey]

that was when you were like, five.

[Chance]

No, you was like middle school. That was like, early high school, late middle school.

[Juliana Chauncey]

This was my adult life. My arm. My arm is around a guy that I was seeing that, like, wouldn't lock it in because I think he was ashamed. I don't blame him for. But you zoom out and it looks worse.

[Chance]

I can tell by your posture you're not, like, the happiest with the physical

[Juliana Chauncey]

setup, but she takes heavy steps.

[Chance]

I don't know how to react right now without getting in trouble.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I don't know how he got to.

[Rachel]

Oh.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Because the ways I behave differently. I eat everything.

[Chance]

Yeah, sure.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I've got an inner fat kid. I have an oral fixation. I want to chew on things.

[Chance]

And do you have a specific vice?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Blow pops or what? They've been good for me lately. I've got the sweet tooth, too. And I've got these, like, thoughts in my head that don't turn off where it's just constantly just thinking about what could I eat or what could I be eating? Constantly never ends. You finish putting something in your mouth and what could I eat next? Yeah, it's like, can you stop? Silence doesn't happen. Blow pops.

[Chance]

Definitely not for you. But what you're describing that would be good for. I think that's what I've heard is the benefit of the GLP1s is it like turns the brain portion off.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I have heard that. But like every time we sit here you always talk about it and you're like I would never go near that. Which makes it sound really scary. Cuz you're supplement guy.

[Chance]

Well if I was, I would say 40 pounds heavier. I would have no problem. The issue I take with is like if someone like you right now went on a GLP1, I don't think that's

[Juliana Chauncey]

good, I think you just recommended it.

[Chance]

No, no, no.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You said something I think would be good for you.

[Chance]

No, no, no. What I said specifically is not for you but for the, the circumstance of the, the food thoughts is.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Oh, I thought you were saying for me.

[Chance]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Specifically I'm telling you Julian. Chauncey, why not me? Because this is where I think there's, it's the, the analogy is picking up pennies off of a train track, like the risk reward scenario of like getting hit by the train is not worth picking up the penny. But if you can pick it up like a million dollar bill, you do that because you're not like overweight. The risk of taking one of these drugs where we don't know the long term effects for people that are not diabetic and there's already some speculation of the ways that it is negatively affecting people. If you're just doing it for an aesthetic improvement that I don't think that's worth it if you're doing it like because you're obese. There's so many known health issues related to being obese that the risk of taking the drug is in my opinion, I'm not a medical doctor by any stretch. I think is far less lesser of two evils. Yes.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I've also heard it's like wildly expensive.

[Chance]

I think pretty soon it's going to be a commodity because it is so popular. But I think at large for society GLP1s and similar compounds are a good thing. The thing I take specific issue with is like when people are just trying to like lose 5 or 10 pounds to look good in a beach situation. I don't think, I think you're putting yourself at risk that you don't fully comprehend.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay, well that was my first one which is I would eat everything and I'd be happy about it too. And then my next one, I just had it in my head too and then I forgot It. Hold on. The memory thing's not going well lately.

[Rachel]

Shit.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Hold on.

[Chance]

Don't mean to go.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, because that's cheating. I had. No. I had it in my head.

[Chance]

I had in my head trying to buy your time.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I don't want to be bought time. I want to remember my thought.

[Chance]

Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Why I write shit down. Oh, I would dress like Adam Sandler every day. That was it. Yeah.

[Chance]

I feel like you had a moment in the podcast, or often you do.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And I think those are when I'm heavier.

[Chance]

No, I mean, like.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, it is you.

[Rachel]

You.

[Chance]

I. I think it's an admirable quality. You look very comfy. I think that's cool.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's. Today I wore the Lizzy shoes cuz I wanted to look cute.

[Chance]

Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Because I thought it's the last day. She should put in some effort.

[Chance]

Yeah, no, I dig your. I dig the comfy vibe.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Thank you.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So it shows that I dress like Adam Sandler, is what you're saying.

[Chance]

I. It's just I've. I've seen you notice, like, at the live podcast, you dress very differently than when you're in the studio.

[Juliana Chauncey]

People are looking at me.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

That camera is not real in my brain. There's no windows in here. No one's looking at me.

[Chance]

I totally agree. I totally agree.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like, that's the weird. Like, there's such a weird thing about when you post it on Instagram because then people, like, tune in, like, give their takes on shit, and I'm like, you weren't. That wasn't a conversation with you. That was just like, you know, friends behind closed doors.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Chance]

So, I mean, I live in the comfy vibe. Like, this is dressed up for me,

[Juliana Chauncey]

but guys get away with it so much easier.

[Chance]

Fair.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like, a guy's T shirt is naturally loose, you know, so you could bloat and you don't notice if I bloat. I'm like, I look pregnant. And I'm at a phase in my life where people think I'm going to be pregnant soon. And then I have to be like, I need people to visibly see me drink a beer so they know I'm not. You've probably never had to think that.

[Chance]

Yeah, I don't think I've ever had to worry about something insane. Yeah. But I mean, I've had people look at me and know that I was fat, so I know that feeling.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm not crazy. When I was in sixth grade, this new girl transferred to school. We were in tech class. I told you this.

[Chance]

Yeah, yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Spanish girls didn't speak any English.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Not saying Spanish girl for any other reason apart from differentiating that she did not speak any English. Comes up to me in tech class. She was Saturday. It was like a wood block table. There's four people to a table. She's sat at my table, looks at me, points at my stomach, makes a cradling motion. And then like, a. And I'm like, no, I just like snacks. And I will never forget this moment.

[Chance]

Yeah. I learned that you were especially sensitive to that because in the New Hampshire episode, I made the pitch that. Because she was, like, eight and a half months pregnant. And I made the pitch that we show up to the interview with, like, pillows stuffed in our shirts.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, that wasn't cause of that. That's Cause, like, people that have trouble conceiving that you shouldn't make, like, an April Fool's joke about. There were. Maybe we talked about, like, an April Fool's joke around it, but I think it's very.

[Chance]

No, specifically for that.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay.

[Chance]

It was for that interview.

[Juliana Chauncey]

What I've gathered from the Internet, as someone who has not been trying to conceive long enough to know any sort of struggles, is that, like, women that struggle with fertility and struggle to get pregnant, like, it's already hard enough to see that shit around them that, like, when someone fakes it, it's almost, like, extra offensive. So that's why I've understood that you shouldn't fake pregnancy stuff.

[Chance]

Yeah. I. I pitched the idea to my wife and her friends, and they were not offended by it.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Oh, really?

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Maybe I'm just, like, extra cautious.

[Chance]

And maybe in the grand scheme, you were right. It was not even that funny of an idea. It's just like, that was what came to mind there.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that is. I think the reasoning there is slightly different, but nonetheless, I would dress like Adam Sandler every day. Like, for work. I work from home.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

My desk is in a room next to my bedroom. I wake up. I want. When I go to bed, I take off my shirt and my shorts and I put them down next to the bed. And then I get in bed. When I wake up, I want to put those same ones back on and walk back over to their desk because I really have no reason to change them, but I can't, because if people see I wear the same thing every day. That doesn't look good.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But if I could do it without repercussion, I'd be wearing the same shirt. I'd have an outfit of the week. Forgot the outfit of the day. This is my outfit of the week.

[Chance]

Yeah. I feel like my personal mental health has improved, having to come to this office five days out of the week. I can't work from home because I've got kids, and it's fucking chaos because it forces me to brush my teeth, get dressed sometimes shower. I feel better. Some of that is just, I think, because I have ADD and I need, like, the change of scenery of not being in my house all day, every day. But, yeah, I don't know.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I don't know either. It's your turn.

[Chance]

I have a few good ones. I would go. This one, I think, is brought out by when I get in a. Through hiker brain, I get the desire to just pee publicly all the time. Ooh. It's. For me, it feels like it's bullshit, especially when I'm outside, that I have to, like, go scramble to find a bathroom, to, like, go in, like, an incandescent place and pee somewhere where there's a toilet seat, like, lined with other people's piss. I could just pee in a bush, get this over with, and, like, no one's harmed by it. I understand not exposing yourself to people. I understand not, like, turning places into a bathroom. Like, a certain area shouldn't have to smell like piss or shit. And when I say go to the bathroom publicly, I want to emphasize pee specifically, though. I guess if you're outside somewhere, you could dig a hole and shit. But, yeah, if. If it wasn't illegal, I would pee outside discreetly all the time.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Absolutely. 100% concurrent. Yeah. They have nothing else to say, but absolutely. And I. And I do a lot. I do a lot like Garrett, when we got engaged, driving up to Mount Falcon, I had to pee. He was like, can you hold it? And I was like, no, because I was wearing the dress that I said I wanted to wear when I got engaged. I knew I was going to get engaged, and I didn't want to be bloated. I was like, I got to let this out of my belly. Made him pull over so I could pee. And so whenever we go up there, he points and he's like, that's where you stop to pee. We got engaged. I. And also, I feel. I feel very strongly that I would rather pee in open air than a porta potty.

[Chance]

Totally.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And so if there's a line of porta potties and let alone a line for the porta potties, I am scanning the horizon, looking for a bush.

[Chance]

Yeah. Yeah. Being at, like, a concert, waiting behind People to go pee in a porta Potty is kind of a depressing thing.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. I do everything I can to avoid it.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And like, I don't care who sees.

[Chance]

Yeah. Okay. Do you have a couple of honorable mentions? But I'm an end.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You have one more. I've only done two.

[Chance]

Yeah, yeah. I'm going to end with. This is brought on by something that happened in the last week. I think my body is getting less capable of tolerating it, but I would just eat the spiciest food all the time and.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Oh yeah, we got acidic foods. I'd eat it all the time. Sure, that's a good one.

[Chance]

I got Thai food recently and they give you the one to five scale. I got two. I'm very much good on that.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's just a tiny bean.

[Chance]

That one's for you.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay, fine.

[Chance]

I do have a early start tomorrow. The next morning, I not only took the longest shit, I took a painful shit. And the stinkiest shit. It was the triple crown of shits to the point where I shit in the bedroom bathroom. And then between the bedroom. Bathroom is the bedroom. And then you go out into the hallway, like over toward the stairs. Jenna had to spray down the area by the stairs. It was so stinky.

[Juliana Chauncey]

God bless her.

[Chance]

And we. We. We're almost late.

[Juliana Chauncey]

What did you order?

[Chance]

It was. It was something I'd never ordered from Ty before. I actually don't even remember what it was.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like a curry, a noodle dish.

[Chance]

I can look it up.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like a meat and rice dish. Remember the general?

[Chance]

It was.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You have noodles or rice?

[Chance]

It was rice. No, it was noodles. I can give you this specific.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I learned working in a Thai restaurant that you never serve noodles with rice pad Ka pro. Pad ka pro? Yeah. That's spicy Thai noodles.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Ka pro is a spicy ass fucking sauce.

[Chance]

I'd never had it before. I wanted to expand my horizons and it was a mistake.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And I don't know if kapra is the name of the sauce, but the meal is a sauce. Spicy ass meal.

[Chance]

It was spicy.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's really good.

[Chance]

It was spicy. It was delicious. And I would love to eat it again. I don't know if I can just because of what I did to the house.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Did you drink while you were eating it?

[Chance]

Like alcohol?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah.

[Chance]

No.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So you know drunken noodles?

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Another Thai dish. The reason. Do you know why they're called drunken noodles?

[Chance]

No.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Because like how milk. If you drink something spicy or if you eat something spicy, milk will, like, dull it.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So will beer. And so they call drunken noodles Drunken noodles because they're so spicy that you keep sipping your beer, and by the time you finish the plate, you're drunk.

[Chance]

Interesting. Yeah. Drunken noodles is probably the dish that I get the most often.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I really drunk noodles.

[Chance]

Yeah. I was looking for something with a little bit less grease on it, but, yeah, I would. I would go ham on some spicy food.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Mm. My last one is I would hit cars with my car.

[Chance]

Just turn the world into your bumper cars.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. There's a. There's a movie called if I Had a Million. It's in black and white, and it's one that my dad had on vhs. And basically this, like, rich dude was retired, like, he was gonna die. He's, like, getting old, and he wants to leave his wealth to people that are not his family or heirs because I guess he doesn't like them. So he takes a phone book and, like, an eyedropper with liquid in it, and he flips open the phone book and he drops the eyedropper, and whoever it lands on, he goes and gives them a check for a million dollars. And so this movie follows what each person would do with a million dollars. But there's one guy who's, like. Is constantly just getting road rage and pissed off at other cars. And he gets this million dollars, and he goes to the car place and he buys so many cars, and, like, the. The car people are following him in a line of cars down the road as he's driving because he's paid them to do that, too. And every time someone cuts him off or does something fucky on the road, he. He just fucking smashes into them and totals both cars. And then he gets out of the car. He goes to the woman that the representative is driving behind him. He gets in that. They get out. They go in the one behind or whatever, and he just keeps coming.

[Rachel]

And he just.

[Juliana Chauncey]

The whole day, he's just fucking smashing into cars.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

The inner demon in me would love that. I know we talk about our inner child a lot. My inner demon would love.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

To ram into people on the road that anchor me and again, not cause harm.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I don't want either of us hurt. I don't want anyone getting. I'm not even talking, like, a pinched nerve. I don't want any pain on anyone's part. I just want to smash your car.

[Chance]

Just buzz the tower a little bit.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Really want to hit your car.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So that would be what I would do. I would. If. If there were no ramifications. I can't get Arrested. If I couldn't get arrested for road rage, I would have already driven into someone's car.

[Chance]

Sure.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah.

[Chance]

That, that's essentially one of my honorable mentions is I would. I would break every traffic law I sometimes do. I've already mentioned on air the. When the left red turn light comes on and there's no oncoming cars, sometimes I'm just like, what are we doing here? I can see a half mile down the road. I'm going. I would speed relentlessly in non like school areas or like.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It sounds like you'd be unsafe.

[Chance]

I would be unsafe, but I would be safe.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I would be safe except for to people who aren't safe. Then I'd be like Batman, you know, Like, I'd be like, like how Batman is to the bad guys or like the good guys don't fear him.

[Chance]

Yeah. I'm picturing like the autobahn in Germany, like where there is no speed limit. I would treat the world like that.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Have you been there?

[Chance]

I haven't driven there, but I've been there. Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

To the autobahn. Have you been on the autobahn? I don't know if I ever want to be.

[Chance]

From what I've heard, it's actually like very organized and I've heard that too.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like very safe.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. I think I'm afraid of other cars though.

[Chance]

I. It seems like you give people the power that are able to handle it. Mostly. I don't know. I mean, frankly most people are good law abiding citizens, but some people are, even with the speed limit, are going to drive 100 miles on the road regardless. Yeah, I just want to be one of them.

[Juliana Chauncey]

If I can spin out and not hit anything, that'd be good. Yeah, good.

[Chance]

Any others?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Besides ramming into cars with my cars? If there were no ramifications, I'd probably commit some sort of fraud. But not like against the regular person. Again, this goes back. This goes back to the question of the day. I'm not trying to defraud the regular person, but if there were no ramifications, I'd probably try to fraud like a big company.

[Chance]

Would you take $10,000 out of Taylor Swift's wallet?

[Juliana Chauncey]

See, that's hard because that's a person with a face, with a name that has a brand that's recognizable, like to them. But if we're talking like a corporation that is like run by like a se suite of employees that's rotating and like has no soul left in it.

[Chance]

You mentioned Jeff Bezos. That's a person.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, but. But he But Taylor Swift is Taylor Swift.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like, the brand is Taylor Swift. Jeff Bezos is Amazon. The brand is Amazon.

[Chance]

Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You know.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And like, yeah, I would defraud the fuck out of Amazon. He doesn't need more money.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So, yeah, if I. If I. If I could find a way to do that, sure.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

That would be an honorable mention. Other things I would do without ramifications, I feel like we're viewing. If there were no ramifications, purely in, like, a societal will I get arrested way. I'd like to think about it in a different way. If there were no ramifications, absolute no chance of something going poorly. I'd probably do a ton of drugs.

[Rachel]

Sure.

[Chance]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Why not a flip side on the thought process, because it's not with anyone else and not getting in trouble by anyone else. But if I, like, couldn't myself up with a bad trip and there was no. I went into it knowing there's no way I could trip badly, overdose, do anything poorly. That's a pretty safe field to test some things out.

[Chance]

Sure, of course.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And I, as someone who's constantly worried and nervous, I typically don't try many things out.

[Chance]

Yeah. Travel to new dimensions. See.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah.

[Chance]

The fractal aliens and whatnot.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah.

[Chance]

Hell yeah. My last one is. This was kind of prompted by the recent episode I'd free solo.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like, no ramifications, as in, you know, you're not gonna fall.

[Chance]

Or if I fall, I don't hurt

[Juliana Chauncey]

myself, I will jump from the highest cliff.

[Chance]

Yeah, of course.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I. I've never wanted to hike Half Dome again. I've been like, you know what? Once is good if. If the world works in what you're saying, where I could leap from the

[Chance]

top, just take a sled down that

[Juliana Chauncey]

little slope and I just shoot. Shake it off. When I get down, I am seeing what it feels like to fly.

[Chance]

For sure.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I am getting a running start.

[Chance]

Yeah. But I would specifically actually like the idea of climbing. I don't do it because of my fear of heights. If. If I knew that there was no consequence, my fear of heights, I think, disappears.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay, here's the thing. Here's where we get into murky waters. If there was no consequence, could I swim to the bottom of the ocean and find out what's down there? Because technically I wouldn't die. Yeah.

[Chance]

There's no limit.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So do I, in a way, become invincible?

[Chance]

I think that's the same.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I am now invincible.

[Chance]

We found we're finding the mundane ways to take advance advantage of invincibility that's like a real way.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So the triple crown is. If you were invincible, what would you do? Basically I would swim to the bottom of the ocean and see what's there. Okay, what would you do?

[Chance]

Truly invincible.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Truly invincible.

[Chance]

I would try to go to outer space, get out of the spacecraft and just be in the middle of space.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, but I can walk to the ocean and swim down. How are you going to just perform propel up?

[Chance]

Well, I mean there's now private aircrafts that will go into space.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But you have to have the money. Like the logic in life doesn't not exist. You have to charter one.

[Chance]

Toward the end of my life, I would take out a loan or start a GoFundMe. I'd like to just be in space.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Surely they're more strict about loans for the elderly.

[Chance]

I mean, I would come up with a real business plan.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Not that I don't think the elderly should get loans.

[Chance]

I just think I would defraud risk there much to what you're saying.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Defraud, Right. We'd, we would both fraud.

[Chance]

I would, I would fraud the bank into giving me a loan so I could go into space.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I think a lot of people would, but like not in like a bad, in like a Robin Hood way.

[Chance]

Yeah, just get a guy to space.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's like my, the people where it's a quarter versus a dime.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

They don't notice. It's fine.

[Chance]

If everyone contributed one quarter, I would go to space.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I would, I would put a quarter towards that.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

If I knew you'd get to space.

[Chance]

We should make that a Patreon. Would you really go without ramifications? Yeah, of course.

[Juliana Chauncey]

What if it was a one way mission?

[Chance]

That's a ramification. I wouldn't do that.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay, so you have to come back.

[Chance]

I'm just floating in space for a little while and then yeah, I just get back to Earth.

[Juliana Chauncey]

How long's a little while? I think like because you're missing the twins and, and Leo growing up.

[Chance]

A couple days.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Can you get to space in a couple days?

[Rachel]

Sure.

[Chance]

Yeah. They can get a satellite into space and I don't know how long it takes.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm guessing you're not gonna orbit a planet or do anything cool. You're just gonna just go up and down?

[Chance]

I, I wouldn't, for the reason that you brought up. I wouldn't want to miss time with my family. I just want to experience space.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Does it make you regret having a family?

[Chance]

If we're doing true ramification free, I'd go Further. Yeah. And then just time travel.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Cool.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I like how you didn't answer the question.

[Chance]

Good. More. We could probably do more invincibility stuff.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, we can't, because this is my last day in studio.

[Chance]

We have bpr. Bpr.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Oh, my God, I'm gonna cry.

[Chance]

Well, here's your chance to cry because I've got a solo one here.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's not either of the ones I'm wearing on my legs for warmth, is it? Good.

[Chance]

Actually, this one, I specifically. This one's a little bit out of order because this was one of the more popular recommendations. It's called Kettle Mountain is the name of the brand. This specific model is the no Fry sun hoodie. God damn it. What's happening here? And feel this.

[Rachel]

Wow. That's soft.

[Chance]

It's like women's lingerie. It's so light and soft. When I picked it up, I'm like, this is going to be my favorite sun hoodie that I've tested yet. I think I found my winner. This is the thing that I think is going to break all of their sun hoodies. And then within 30 minutes of testing it, my mind switched almost immediately.

[Rachel]

Really?

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Why is that?

[Chance]

I'm going to start with the pros. I think that this is probably the most breathable sun hoodie that I've tested. I took this out on, like, a 76 degree day, doing a little bit

[Juliana Chauncey]

of running more than that bluish green

[Rachel]

one you had, because that one felt really.

[Chance]

This is. This one is out of control. So the weight on that one is 4.3 ounces.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It feels like the Patagonia Capeline. Capeline Kapoline.

[Chance]

I'm guessing it's lighter than that. I don't know. I haven't actually tested.

[Rachel]

No, the. The.

[Juliana Chauncey]

The light version of it, like, because I have it in the pants.

[Rachel]

Yeah, this feels just like it.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm not saying it's the same. Same thing.

[Chance]

Yeah, it's. It's possible that there is one comparable or even better, but of the ones that I've been sent and have tested.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, no, I'm talking about pant. I'm talking about, like, sleep layer pants.

[Chance]

They do make a C on hoodie as well. I need to test that one. It's very light, very breathable. I like the button closure. Like, aesthetically, the way that it operates. There's four buttons at the top here.

[Rachel]

Yep.

[Chance]

And potentially the best feature, depending on who you are, is it's the most affordable one that I've tested yet. This one's 69 bucks.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Oh, that's not bad.

[Chance]

Yeah, there's some that I've tested that are more than twice that.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Do they sell them at rei?

[Chance]

I don't think so. I don't know. I think it's just through their website. I could be wrong about that. But, yeah, this one was recommended by a lot of people, so I was really eager to test it. And then, like I said, my mind changed almost immediately. In the mildest of breezes, the hood blew off my head, like, right away even.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But we can't have that.

[Chance]

Even a tiny gut. I mean, it's not a sun hoodie if the hood doesn't stay on.

[Rachel]

Right.

[Juliana Chauncey]

That defeats the purpose. Totally literally in the word.

[Chance]

If I jogged for a second, immediately it fell off. Like, the entire time I'm doing this with the hood. Like, I probably had to put it back on over the course of eight miles. Seventy times.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Have you tried putting your hat on over it? I know that's like a stupid reason,

[Chance]

and I've seen on their website reviews where people do that. But to me, that defeats the purpose of the sun hoodies is because I want the airflow through the hood.

[Juliana Chauncey]

People are reviewing it while saying that on their website, and they still haven't thought, like, maybe we should improve the design.

[Chance]

I just was looking at photos and some people, like, I didn't actually.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I thought they were saying, like, hey, we can only wear this with a hat.

[Chance]

Well, so I posted my experience on my Instagram stories, and the majority of people said the exact same thing.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Oh, my God, I forgot to tell you.

[Rachel]

I.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So how.

[Rachel]

Last.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yesterday. Time travel for the listener. Whenever that episode was on.

[Chance]

Last week? Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Was it last week?

[Chance]

Because, I mean, yesterday will be last week. Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay, then last week's episode, My mind just went completely blank.

[Chance]

Time travel. No havos. The whiskey's working.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's not the whiskey. It's. I. I am. I have so many feelings inside my head that I just can't hold a thought.

[Chance]

It's all the epic dreaming.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, it's not. It's really. It's really not. It's something that if we're working on with a psychiatrist, where it's like, I can't. I cannot hold a thought. I don't remember. I don't remember what I was gonna say. Do you remember what I started with?

[Chance]

Time travel?

[Juliana Chauncey]

No.

[Chance]

Yeah, it was yesterday's episode, but that wasn't.

[Juliana Chauncey]

We weren't talking about time travel. No, I thought about that.

[Chance]

That's what you said prior to forgetting.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's Gone? Yeah, it's in the ether. Okay. This happens so often. It makes me so mad. It'll come back because the more you try to. No, the more you try to grab. It's like when you wake up and you try to remember your dream.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Back to dreams. They say tip fun fact. If you wake up and you want to be able to remember your dream, write it down. No, don't move. If you wake up and you're like, you wake up to an alarm and your first reaction is to jerk your arm and move the alarm and turn it off or snooze it, that instant jerk is going to stop your brain from remembering the dream. Any instant fast movements. So if you wake up and you want to remember your dream, don't move. Stay really still. Try to think it through, try to capture key points and then move. And I read that summer once in like, middle school or high school. So whenever I have these, like, crazy dreams, I do that. And it's legit.

[Chance]

So it'll come back.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, it won't. I know myself well enough.

[Chance]

The other thing I don't like is I think the genre of sun hoodies should be a little bit on the baggier side. This. This is a large, and it's a little bit tight on me. And most of the sun hoodies I test, I'm like, usually between a medium and a large. The largest tend to be a little bit baggier on me. This one was tight and I didn't like. It was short.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Tight where?

[Chance]

On the sleeves? It was short on the torso. So someone like taller than 6ft, I would imagine is probably gonna do best in like an extra large, which seems

[Juliana Chauncey]

because you're 5, 10, or 6, but that's still like, weird. Kind of weird that it's short on your sleeves and torso, isn't it?

[Chance]

The cut does not make sense to me at all.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Is that like standard throughout brands that you wear?

[Chance]

No, most of them are usually the. The good ones are baggy. Like, I like jolly gears, jolly gears, maybe even anything a tad big. But like, most of them, a large is like sufficiently baggy. I mean, I think that's the way that they should be cut. The other thing I don't like is the thumb holes on this are really small. You probably use enough sun hoodies.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But do you like anything about it?

[Chance]

The material. Material is awesome. So if they could figure out the hood, if they could improve the cut, in my opinion, like, if you're really skinny, maybe this is the best one. Pretzel said that he uses this and he doesn't have the issue with the hood. So maybe different builds, handle it differently. But like I said when I posted this on my Instagram stories, I had a handful of people respond. One guy said that like he used it once and he had to give it away. So overall, I feel like this has some of the best features of any sun hoodie that I've tested, but it's one that I would never use just because of the shortcomings. Are so large that. That I think it's. You just can't consider it.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So for cbs C. Oh, Chon's boobs.

[Chance]

Ch's boobs. I'm going.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Please don't abbreviate that before I leave.

[Chance]

I'm going. Four and a half.

[Juliana Chauncey]

How many of these? Four and a half. Four and a half.

[Chance]

Shout out for the YouTube. Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Out of ten.

[Chance]

Yeah. Maybe that's too high.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It sounds like you really don't like it.

[Chance]

I love the material. I. I wish that they would make like a different cut of this.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, I love certain materials too.

[Chance]

This is. If it's. I feel like it's close to being great, but it's bad. If that makes sense.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Do you like leather couches?

[Chance]

Love them.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Would you wear tight leather pants?

[Chance]

Never.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You like the material?

[Chance]

Yeah, but I like this material for a sun hoodie. Just the way that it's built is off.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So just not that they're not paying us. It doesn't matter.

[Chance]

No, they're not paying. If they could figure out a way to improve the cut for someone size like me. And again, I got this response from other people. It's good. I will also mention that the reviews on the website are positive. I know that can be games.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I will also mention the linked sun hoodie review links to something that I don't have permission to see. So.

[Chance]

Oh, this is just a personal Google Doc with the.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, yeah. I can't see it. It keeps asking me to switch accounts. I'm like, it's not going to work for my work account.

[Chance]

It's just. Yeah, it's just the notes that I.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Oh, I thought it was going to go to the actual listing of it. Yeah.

[Chance]

You can just copy and paste that into Google.

[Rachel]

Okay, cool.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I've never heard of them before. What kind of company are they?

[Chance]

I don't.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Kettle Mountain.

[Chance]

I think it's just. They just do apparel and some people love this and I really wanted to. And I.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Well, how'd you find them? I've never heard of them.

[Chance]

When I initially started the series. I put a call on Instagram for people to recommend their favorite, and this pops up a handful of times, including Pretzel, who obviously knows his really well. So it can work for some people, but for me personally, kind of sucks.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And the website, it does look that they have the number of people on a trail doing it.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But they all seem to have hats under the hood. Have you tried wearing a hat under the hood?

[Chance]

I had. I always wear a hat.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Chance]

Yeah, I was. I tried everything. I tried the button configuration. I tried. And maybe the single. Because they have different options for it. Like there's like a single button version of it. Maybe that would do better. But the one that I tested, the four snap in a large. Not good.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Let me ask you this, because this is the truth teller of all of it. This is. This is what I would do if I truly loved the material the way you say if I really love the material and I wanted it to work. And my main gripe was that the. And I know you have other ones, like the sleeves being short, the waist being short, but if my main gripe was that the hood didn't stay on. And I knew this prior to going on a long trail. The reason I say this is because I made hacks like this for the at. So I'm not saying it in like a. I'd do this. No, she wouldn't. I did like this for the at. For things I could think of. If that were my son hoodie and I wanted to wear it and that were my issue. I would get one of those, like, from a craft store, like a Michaels. The Velcro tape that you could put on things. And I'd put a little piece on the inside of the center of the hood and a little piece on the front of my cap.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So that I could velcro it to it or like even the top of the cat. Like something on something unnoticeable. And I get that's an extra step and not, like, convenient. But do you like the material enough where you would do the hack like that?

[Chance]

If the fit were better, I would consider something like that for sure.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Chance]

Yeah, it's. The fit and the hood were problematic enough. Yeah. It was so close to being awesome, but it's bad.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Did you put it in the dryer?

[Chance]

No, I actually didn't, but I wore. I. No, I wore it before I washed it.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Chance]

I had it new. But their instruction was to, like, tumble dry low. I'm like, the material is thin enough that I'm not Even going to risk it. So I just air dried it.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But I get reprimanded from Garrett every time I wash something that shouldn't go through the dryer. Yeah, he's like, you're. I mean, you're going to ruin your clothes. I am.

[Chance]

I'm bad with it. I'll put like my marino wool in high heat.

[Juliana Chauncey]

If I leave something to dry out like on the line by the washing machine, I'm going to forget it exists and then I'm going to find it in three months. And it's me, crusty and cobwebbed. Sure.

[Chance]

Especially out here with it being so windy.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay, what else can we talk about? Because I'm not ready for this.

[Chance]

You have a patent pending.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I know, but before that you have a gross or not gross. I'm like, not.

[Chance]

I. I can improv.

[Juliana Chauncey]

She's not leaving willingly.

[Chance]

I can do a stupid thing of the week if you want.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, please do.

[Chance]

So I talked recently how I injured my hamstring.

[Rachel]

Yep.

[Chance]

I badly reentered it to an even worse extent. I had a friend in town. So we had an action packed weekend and on Sunday we went from Clear Creek, we floated and did like some cold submersion straight to golf. And my muscle had tightened and contracted in the cold water. And then I went to like a golf swing and like instantly it just hurt so bad again. I proceeded to play 18 holes in golf and now I'm in PT. I was diagnosed with a grade two sprain.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Diagnosed. That's serious.

[Chance]

The I had yesterday. I had a massive bruise on the back of my leg. This is how bad this brain is. That's not a good sign. When I first got there, she was worried that potentially the muscle had ripped off the bone, in which case that's like immediate surgery. So yeah, now I'm on timeout. I can't do a number of things. I have to do a strict PT protocol. I'm upping my BPC dosage and adding another.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Never heard of BPC in my life. It's one of you say all these terms that are like vitamin terms.

[Chance]

People get pissed off about BPC because I mean, for good reason. It's untested peptide.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You don't usually take untested shit.

[Chance]

I don't, but BPC is one to me. This is not medical advice.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Do not untested peptide. Pause, go back, I cut you off. Is an untested peptide. Peptide.

[Chance]

This is what so BBC stands for Body Protection compound. Yes. And one is. This is one of the more popular peptides So a lot of people are testing it and at least the short term effects like it. It seems to be very safe.

[Juliana Chauncey]

What's a peptide supposed to do?

[Chance]

Peptides can do any number of things. They can increase your HGH, they can be a GLP1.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You're using abbreviations again.

[Chance]

Human growth hormone. GLP1 is a peptide. A peptide is just a chain of proteins, but it seems like it's a cutting edge type of intervention for any number of things where you can signaling hunger in your body.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Why do you take it specifically?

[Chance]

BPC is body protection compound, is supposed to be good at tissue repair. So if you've got a tendon injury, a ligament injury, a soft tissue injury, which is what I have, there's a lot of anecdote which is not data at all. A lot of anecdotes where people have really positive outcomes from this. And one of the reasons why I do take it is because this specific peptide is banned by wada, which is the drug testing agency for wada. Wada? World Anti Doping Association, I believe it is.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And this will banned by them?

[Chance]

Yeah. And you still take it for that reason.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Because it's banned.

[Chance]

Because it's banned. To me that signals that it is effective. Like that's a major leg up really for Olympic athletes.

[Juliana Chauncey]

The WADA is for Olympic athletes only.

[Chance]

I don't know who else uses WADA as the standard. Maybe it's baseball, but it's not like

[Juliana Chauncey]

the like the world at large.

[Chance]

Well, it depends on like which organizations pick it up.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm picturing you're saying the whole said that this is no good and you're like perfect.

[Chance]

No, no, no, it's not that. It's.

[Juliana Chauncey]

That's what it sounds like.

[Chance]

This is a agency that oversees like it tries to make fair gaming. So like you couldn't take testosterone or any number of compounds because it is an unfair advantage per wada and BPC is one of those compounds.

[Juliana Chauncey]

So this is like a sports thing?

[Chance]

Yes.

[Juliana Chauncey]

WADA is like. It's like, it's like sports book or like game time or like espn. It's like specifically in the sports genre.

[Chance]

This is the AI overview on Google. IWATA stands for the World Anti Doping Agency. It is an independent international organization responsible for promoting, coordinating and monitoring the fight against drugs and banned substances in sports.

[Juliana Chauncey]

In sports.

[Chance]

Established in 99, WADA is funded by sporting movements such as International Olympic Committee and national governments.

[Rachel]

Got it.

[Chance]

Its primary functions and responsibilities include include Anti World Doping Code, the prohibited list, scientific research and testing, monitoring and Compliance, yada, yada, yada. So to me, it seems like at least this agency recognizes that it's probably a leg up in most sports, that if you get injured, this is going to be an unfair compound to help you recover from that injury. I'm not encouraging anyone else to do this. I'm doing this as an experiment to myself and one where I'm desperate to get better fast.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Would WADA not also be like anti meth?

[Chance]

I doubt meth is on it.

[Rachel]

Maybe it is.

[Chance]

Actually. Meth is probably a performance enhancing drug.

[Juliana Chauncey]

The Anti Doping association is gonna be like, meth's good, though.

[Chance]

I'm like, for instance, I doubt that, like, cigarettes are on the anti doping list.

[Juliana Chauncey]

How do we find this list, an anti doping list? I feel like it should have them.

[Chance]

Like, one of the controversial ones is that marijuana was on it for a long time, even though it was like, it's legal in many areas and is by most people not considered a performance enhancing drug. That one's controversial because, like, it. It's for a lot of people, it's not necessarily negative and debatably if. Is it performance enhancing? Probably not. I don't know.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I've got. I pulled it up. It's not necessarily anything that gives you an answer. It's just vague words. The things that are included on this list are non approved substances. Yeah, great. What are those? Anabolic agents, steroids. I don't know.

[Rachel]

That means.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I mean, I know what steroids means. I would never have connected that. Peptide hormones, growth factors, related substances, mimics. That sounds like what you just said.

[Chance]

Mimetics. Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Beta 2 agonists, hormone and metal, metabolic modulators, diuretics and masking agents. Manipulation of blood and blood components, chemical and physical manipulation, gene and cell doping, stimulants, narcotics, cannaboids, cannabinoids, glue. Coco. I feel like I'm on America's Next Top Model where they make them do those scientific shoots where they have to like, explain the makeup ingredients.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Chance]

I also.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Beta. Beta. No beta blockers, I would imagine. What if people get nervous?

[Chance]

I would imagine that removing the nerves is an unfair advantage.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Shut up. What if you have like a pre existing condition that you take?

[Rachel]

Beta blockers.

[Chance]

Yeah, I mean that. I think it's a fair question, like,

[Juliana Chauncey]

can you get an exemption? Because I like, got. Got like a psych exam form that says, like, hey, she should take these or am I just not allowed to be an Olympian?

[Chance]

This was a thing in baseball. I don't remember the outcome, but there were like a lot of athletes taking Aderall, which is a prescribed drug, but that's also a performance enhancing drug. I don't remember the outcome of that.

[Juliana Chauncey]

But if you're prescribed it, it shouldn't be performance enhancing because what it's meant to do is get you to the baseline of where other people start.

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's only if you take it when it's not supposed to be prescribed that then you get the like jittery.

[Chance]

The issue with that is that like anyone could get prescribed anything. Just about if you find a doctor willing enough. Like this is okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, if you find a doctor willing enough. And yes, it's a certain level. You can pay anyone to do anything.

[Chance]

Exactly, exactly.

[Juliana Chauncey]

We've talked about that in our fraud segment.

[Chance]

Yeah. So the other I think positive clue for me is that I have a friend who's a PT and he has a lot of clients that have been using it for their recovery and he said he's seen really positive results. But I'm. I want to be very clear to anyone listening, do not do this. This is a risk thing and it's.

[Juliana Chauncey]

You just usually don't take the risk. So it's curious to hear like you're usually like this scientific study backed up this thing and so I take these vitamins.

[Chance]

So I was taking it before I injured myself just cuz I was curious and it seemed safe. But I was just going to do like one course and see if I noticed anything. I. I didn't have an acute enough injury to get like a solid AB test. Now that I'm injured, I actually have a real reason to do it. And yeah, I'm using it in conjunction with my PT because I up my hamstring because I'm old and stupid.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Does it work?

[Chance]

I've the injury. The re aggravation of the injury is fresh off the boat. This is Sunday, so like three. What did you do originally? That was when I was doing the race. When I was. Yeah, racing somebody.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Okay, cool.

[Chance]

Yep.

[Rachel]

So that's.

[Chance]

That's Peptide talk of the week.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yep.

[Chance]

Okay, now we can go to patent pending.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, but can we. I really have to pee again.

[Chance]

I could pee.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, let's pee.

[Chance]

Okay. Okay, we're back. Impromptu processing.

[Rachel]

No, we're not. Process. Don't pay attention to me. No one needs knowing this. They Watch us on YouTube.

[Chance]

We can edit this out if you want, but.

[Juliana Chauncey]

No, we don't need to edit it out.

[Rachel]

Just ignore it because it's going to keep happening. So just ignore it. We're just going to pretend it's not happening and we're not going to acknowledge it.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, my patent pending is a car thing.

[Rachel]

We were driving the other day and have you ever driven west towards the

[Juliana Chauncey]

mountains, like at the time of the

[Rachel]

day where the sun starts to set and the sun is just like ripping in your eyes and it really hurts and you're like, the world is cruel and unkind. And then you put down your visor and it's right below where the visor. And then you can't do anything and you're like, this is also very unsafe. Why would we build the roads in this direction?

[Juliana Chauncey]

My patent banning that I brought up the other day while in that predicament was why don't they have sunglasses mode on windshield?

[Chance]

Like transitional lenses, Right?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like how I can press the heated seat on my seat and the seat becomes hot. Why can't I press sunglasses mode on the windshield? And then it tints it like a sunglass. And I get. You can't have tinted windshields because of like legality reasons in general for like normal times. I'm not saying tinted all the time. Not saying blackout tint it. I'm saying like, like, like a light brown tint of like a. A turtle patterned pair of sunglasses where it's like, we're not talking about black tint, but like a light brown, semi transparent. Doesn't really obstruct much. You could still see through it completely, but like maybe saves your eyeballs. I feel like that would be safer than not. And I understand how a blacked out tinted windshield would be unsafe. So I'm not pro that, but I don't know. I feel like we are in the year of 2026. There should be a button on the car that does sunglasses mode.

[Chance]

Yeah, I like that. Transitional lenses for windshields. I think it's a really good idea

[Rachel]

if the sun's the way you said. That was so nice. Please don't treat me differently right now.

[Chance]

Well, we do have an impromptu segment.

[Rachel]

Why?

[Chance]

Because I posted a photo of you saying that last time Thomas was in studio as a Colorado resident. Does anyone have any parting words?

[Rachel]

What did they say?

[Chance]

This is from Andy Jones, 95, longtime podcast listener and fan. You both have been great to listen to together. She should definitely finish that beer, though.

[Rachel]

It didn't finish it.

[Chance]

She finished it. Thanks, Andy. This is from Lies Kazi 354. Sorry for butchering your name. Love listening to y' all on my PCT through.

[Rachel]

Did you call lies instead of Liz

[Chance]

L Y S. Oh, okay.

[Rachel]

Never mind. I Thought it was L I. You said lies.

[Chance]

Riley Riffle just had a crying emoji.

[Rachel]

Same.

[Chance]

Christine Whitmire says, see you in Asheville. You're gonna make new east coast friends.

[Rachel]

Several hours away, but, yeah, sure.

[Chance]

Closer than it is to here. This is from Megan, my way down the trail. Thanks for the laughs. Trons Truly feel like we're friends even though we don't know each other. And it makes me feel like a real creep saying that. I promise I'm normal. Anyway, thanks and good luck with the move.

[Rachel]

You gotta go to the Instagram where I talked about looking at Garrett's poop and just read me those comments because those will help me right now.

[Chance]

Colton Plice says, we love you, Tronce. All caps, three hearts.

[Rachel]

Why did you do this?

[Chance]

Andrew Downs. Welcome to Apex. It's the peak of good living.

[Rachel]

It is. That's the catchphrase. Is it down? Yeah. Yeah. It's like how New Hampshire is like, live free or die. That's Apex.

[Chance]

That's a good motto.

[Rachel]

What? Live free or die.

[Chance]

No, no, no. The peak of good living.

[Rachel]

You want to come? We could relocate.

[Chance]

Brandon Dyke says, just sadness. This one is from herealhiking. Y old bag.

[Rachel]

If anyone could make me feel better. I'm fine. I just. We can't. We can't. If we acknowledge it, then it's not going to be fine. Because then there's going to be the acknowledge. Like, you know when someone's like, are you crying? And then you're like, no. And then you start crying because they said it. Yeah. We just have to not acknowledge it. We just pretend everything's fine for the next 10 minutes and then we will never have it again.

[Chance]

Trevor Duan asks, where is she moving?

[Rachel]

North Carolina. And I'm really excited. I am. I just don't do well with change. And I get attached.

[Chance]

I think this is the way the last in studio is used as a resident had to go.

[Rachel]

Well, why aren't you crying? Are you not gonna miss me?

[Chance]

I will say I don't cry. I can't think of the last time that I cried.

[Rachel]

It's so annoying. Does Jenna get mad at you for that?

[Chance]

No. Maybe. I don't know. She's never said it, but I don't.

[Rachel]

You've cried around her.

[Chance]

When my grandmother died, she saw me cry.

[Rachel]

That's it.

[Chance]

That's the only family member that I've lost since we've been together.

[Rachel]

You only cry when family members die?

[Chance]

So far, the only time that she's

[Rachel]

seen me cry We've been together for like 10 years.

[Chance]

13. That's the only time I told you I don't cry.

[Rachel]

Yeah, you're such an asshole.

[Chance]

The friend who visited recently walked me through the most stressful week of his life, and he ended it with, if I knew how to cry, I would have cried. I think this is a guy thing.

[Rachel]

Well, the crying sometimes nice because then you let out whatever insert science body things and then apparently it's supposed to make you feel better. But I am not a scientist, as I often say, so I don't know what the things are.

[Chance]

I do think crying is good.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm not.

[Chance]

Not crying because I don't want to cry.

[Rachel]

It's fine. I'm fine. I just. We can't dwell on it. We just got to keep going. So there's a mailbag.

[Chance]

I did tear up a little bit when. With the Weezer interview where she was talking about her mom.

[Rachel]

Yeah. I mean, that's impossible not to.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah. Okay.

[Rachel]

Brace yourself. This is long. And not even all of it. That's good. I need a long one.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Dear Zach and John's and sass slash comment Sauce slash sauce comment Rachel comment Jabba or whoever is hosting this podcast

[Rachel]

now, since John said to be all I don't like and support her husband, I'm still here. And I'm not supporting him. I just. Sometimes you have to accept growth. Look out, everybody. Yeah, but I'm not.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I can't.

[Rachel]

I'm.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I'm not being dragged there. Like, you know, like, if I'm going because I'm supporting him, it's like he's dragging me there. I'm excited to go. I'm willing to go. He's been bringing this up for years, and I've always said no because I

[Rachel]

wasn't ready to because of this.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And it's finally gotten to a point that I was like, he's so Many years.

[Rachel]

I've said no because of this.

[Juliana Chauncey]

And he said okay.

[Rachel]

And he stopped talking about it.

[Juliana Chauncey]

That at some point, like, I should consider, you know, so it. I appreciate the way it's written. I understand it, but I'm.

[Chance]

You're being a good.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I wouldn't go for just that. No, I wouldn't go for just that. I'm. I'm over Denver. I had to call the non. Emergency line on Friday night because outside of my house, there was someone passed out and I. They wouldn't wake up. And they were very obviously not homeless and just really up and drunk. And so I tried to wake them up. The Way I wake up Garrett when he's snoring really loud, which is. I just, like, shook them aggressively. And Garrett was like, you were just pushing the person that was asleep. I was like, I wasn't pushing him. I was just trying to wake him up. So you, like, you don't wake up from anything less than those, like, jolting shoves when you're in a deep sleep. Yeah, but it's like, I'm not going to have kids and push them in a stroller down a road where, like, last night someone was passed out and wouldn't wake up. Yeah. You know, like, when I lived in Cap Hill, like, people would shit on my doorstep and, like, leave needles on it. Like, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna raise kids somewhere like that. So it's like, okay, if I'm in a place where I'm, like, ready to start having them. All I'm saying is it's not. I'm not moving for Garrett. You know, like, there's reasons that I want to as well. All the previous years that he's pitched it, it's just been less enticing because it's like, we're not even married. We're not going to start having kids, you know? But now that we're married, it's like, all right, realistically, we could start having kids. And, like, in a few years, I'm gonna be what people consider geriatrics. So it's not just for him, all that to say, sorry for rambling there

[Rachel]

and cutting this off. It's just.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I don't want that to be the impression because I'm not being dragged there. I'm. I'm excited.

[Rachel]

I just.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's. It's a gift to be leaving something

[Rachel]

you like so much that it makes you that sad because then you had that thing. But that makes it hard.

[Juliana Chauncey]

That doesn't mean I don't.

[Rachel]

I'm not excited for it or I don't want to do it, or I'm dragging my feet and I don't want to go. If I. If I was any of those things, he wouldn't.

[Juliana Chauncey]

We wouldn't go. He would never make me.

[Rachel]

And I'm not a person that can ever be made. Please.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Like, come on. So that's paragraph one of this. There's a lot of them. Look out, everybody. A storm's a coming Jackson storm here. Checking back in. At your request, I have completed my

[Rachel]

month long lash of the at from Amicalola to Hot Springs, and I actually go by simply storm. But there's also a hot springs in Virginia that always confuses me.

[Juliana Chauncey]

My Simply Storm most of the time

[Rachel]

now, since everyone seems to think Jackson

[Juliana Chauncey]

Storm is my real name. Watch Cars 3 everyone.

[Rachel]

It's the best of the three movies and you'll also find out who Jackson Storm is. I haven't seen any of them all

[Juliana Chauncey]

the way through, but the big news

[Rachel]

for this episode of the Jackson Storm

[Juliana Chauncey]

Parentheses Troopers Meal Bag, I came away with not only a poop story, but a pee story too. However, this is another long entry, so feel free to save these stories for episode three since my primary reason for writing is to say farewell to our

[Rachel]

one and only Juliana Chauncey, AKA Chauncey.

[Chance]

It's working.

[Rachel]

What's working?

[Chance]

He's trying to relay his appreciation

[Rachel]

the

[Juliana Chauncey]

poop story Day 4 of 25 I

[Rachel]

ate dinner with about five or six others at Bull Gap. After a day of already stuffing my face with food at Neil Gap, just as the sunset we all headed to sleep. As I was now by myself walking to my tent, I figured it was safe to let out some gas. Yeah, well, against all that I learned from prior BPR poop stories, I trusted a fart. And I shouldn't have.

[Chance]

This would be the first time in the history of poop stories where someone has cried their way through a poop store.

[Rachel]

Yes, I sharded in my pants, but the good news is I was prepared for this, anticipating such an occurrence, and was able to catch it all between my cheeks. Honestly, the toughest part was bending over to get my shit kit and a headlamp out of my tent. But I was successful and made my way into the woods for a good cat hole spot. Not only was this my first poop story, but it was also the first time in nearly 600 miles of at section hiking that I had to take a cat hole. Somehow I've always been able to hold it in long enough to reach a privy, bathroom or the end of the hike. The streak was over, but luckily there were no streaks in my box or briefs. Good one, to quote Frank Reynolds in Always Sunny. So anyway, I started blasting. I found the perfect fallen tree with which to spread my cheeks and let the surprisingly solid turds plop into my superbly handcrafted cat hole. Boom. Job well done. I took a photo of the spot before plopping, but missed an awesome opportunity to record an Instagram reel of my first time. I guess I'll stick to blogging instead of vlogging. Wait, has this just become a shameless plug for you all to read My blog post at the Trek co. Yes, yes, I guess it has.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I will echo that.

[Rachel]

Just shamelessly search Jackson's story. Why not?

[Juliana Chauncey]

Yeah, the Pee Story.

[Rachel]

This is part two. Should drink some sweaty tea

[Juliana Chauncey]

the pee story day 24 of 25 for about a year now, I've been peeing at

[Rachel]

night into sports drink bottles from the safety and comfort of my tent.

[Juliana Chauncey]

It's like a weird move when you

[Rachel]

have a penis literally flopping out.

[Juliana Chauncey]

This routine stems from a run in

[Rachel]

with two sets of glowing green eyes stalking me from the tree line at

[Juliana Chauncey]

an AT shelter in Pennsylvania last summer at 3am in the morning.

[Rachel]

Standing there in such a vulnerable position

[Juliana Chauncey]

with my goods out in the open, I decided it was no longer worth it and went the pee bottle route from that point on. So there I was in my tent with the only one night left until reaching my final destination of Hot Springs, North Carolina.

[Rachel]

Only one night left. I had been perfect at cutting my stream off before the bottle filled up. But just in case, I always get myself fully out of my sleeping bag and make sure if it does accidentally

[Juliana Chauncey]

overflow, nothing will get covered in pee. Well, all good things must come to an end.

[Rachel]

I was playing with fire and I got burned that night. Perhaps knowing it was my last tent night of the lash, I got lazy. I didn't get fully out of my sleeping bag. I didn't correctly estimate how much pee I could let out before filling the bottle. I knew I was close, but like Kramer in the Seinfeld episode where they drive the car on empty for as long as they could, I kept going

[Juliana Chauncey]

and of course it overflowed.

[Rachel]

But luck was someone on my side and only my lighter got hit with friendly fire. Sure, I'd have to pack up a P tainted liner into my pack, but at least I'd be able to wash it at the hostel the very next day. There can be worse things, like the guy who had it happen in a hammock with another person in it with him and then had to hear the other person tell the story story on a podcast episode that eventually gets taken down because of how controversial the rest of the content is. Too soon, Rachel.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Note the mailbag did not end there,

[Rachel]

but the rest of the content has

[Juliana Chauncey]

been split and will be read at the live podcast. In exchange, I am including his Instagram message to me because it was kind

[Rachel]

and he sleuthed my private account. Is this the all caps Rachel, which is I think she's private. You would have had to request her and get a I don't know from Backpacker Radio the awesome person who hyped my mailbag letter and 5 star review. Haha. If not then oobs grinning face. But if so, I've been trying every time I drive while listening to backpack radio to remember to say thanks for choosing mine. I'm currently sitting in my car in my work parking lot now late because I don't want to forget once again to say thanks. Lol. I just sent a follow up mailbag letter earlier this week that will hopefully make it in before Johnson's send off. You guys rock so much. From Jackson Storm Parentheses Trooper followed by a Rachel comment of a smattering of comments from Patreon, mainly Bob Peoples Award winner Alex Kendall.

[Chance]

I think those are the ones that we read in the previous episode. We don't have a five star review. Well actually, let's check the most recent.

[Rachel]

Wrong. Did we skip all that the last episode?

[Chance]

No, we did the fight.

[Rachel]

I thought we didn't do any of them. I thought we were like.

[Chance]

Do you remember? It was cccc.

[Rachel]

Oh yeah. What did we skip on that one? We skipped something.

[Chance]

Sun hoodie.

[Rachel]

Oh, is it sun hoodie.

[Chance]

So the mailbag that you just read was on previous.

[Rachel]

That was that. We skipped the mailbag too?

[Chance]

No, we did a mailbag. We. I. I swapped out the mailbags. You read the Patreon comments instead.

[Rachel]

Right?

[Chance]

How fitting. Oh, we've got a couple of new ones, but we'll do this one. Yeah, I'm gonna paste it in.

[Rachel]

What, for a five star review?

[Chance]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Okay. Well, you have to read it because that's your part.

[Chance]

I actually insist that you read it. Nope, you read it.

[Rachel]

I read it. Ms. Hoz, why.

[Chance]

I cut off the commenter. This is from Rome Burns.

[Rachel]

This is an excellent and entertaining podcast with genuine through hikers, not just people who go out for the weekend. This podcast has the best guests too. Two things worth mentioning. First, co host Chance is leaving Denver and will no longer be a regular on the podcast. I miss her already. I especially enjoyed Chance's Women's Only podcast. How else could I learn to try to be less creative, creepy or threatening on the trail? Second, I love I like that this podcast has real hikers, not just weekenders. I'm not casting Shade. I see you taking the photo. You can do it. I don't mind.

[Chance]

I'm gonna post it on Instagram.

[Rachel]

You can? That's okay. So to be recorded in two different places. What do I care? Second, I like that this podcast has real hackers, not just weekenders. I'm not Casting Shade at Weekenders. I love some of their podcasts, too. It's just that some of the advice that comes from the different backgrounds wind up being sufficiently different to make a real difference generally in money, money, money. I also liked chatting with Jessica at. At Trail Days last month. She's great. Jess is great. Thanks.

[Chance]

If you guys want to hear your review on this podcast, head on over to Apple Podcasts. Leave us any number of stars, just

[Rachel]

not 1, 2, 3, or 4.

[Chance]

And that is it for today's show. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much to Juliana. Chauncey.

[Rachel]

Don't do that.

[Chance]

For.

[Rachel]

Stop being here. Say it normally.

[Chance]

The co captain.

[Rachel]

Just say it normally for.

[Chance]

What was the number of years?

[Rachel]

Just say it normally.

[Chance]

Eight years?

[Rachel]

Nine.

[Chance]

Nine years.

[Rachel]

18 to 6. 18 to 26. And you have to count 18 because we were there, too. I think that makes nine.

[Chance]

Some number between eight and nine years

[Rachel]

literally argue with me right now. I don't know.

[Chance]

That'd be the most fitting way.

[Rachel]

I can't just say it. You have to say the normal thing and then I say it.

[Chance]

Okay, thank you so much for listening and happy.

[Rachel]

Bye.

[Juliana Chauncey]

This is the thing. I. I can't. I can't cry on command.

[Chance]

Jesus, Christy.

[Juliana Chauncey]

I mean, how are you planning on

[Chance]

becoming an actress at all? You can't make people laugh because you're not funny. You can't quit, cry on, commit. What can you do?

[Juliana Chauncey]

I. I can try harder, but I. It's just that.

[Chance]

The good news is I anticipated this, so I brought.

[Rachel]

What's that?

[Chance]

A bit of chili powder. I'm gonna blow this directly into your eyes and trust me, you'll cry.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Juliana Chauncey]

Wait, is that safe, though? Is this.

[Rachel]

Well, it's.

[Chance]

You know, it's safe enough.

[Rachel]

Let's give it a try.

[Chance]

Never been one that had to choose but every time I do I find I lose I guess I'm a loser stomping ground A welcome man for the loving crowd I wish that you knew.