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Bobby Lee
You two are bad friends.
Andrew Santino
Who are these two idiots?
David Mamet
White dude and an Asian dude.
Shia LaBeouf
You two are disgusting. We're bad friends.
Andrew Santino
You know, it's really not good. People come on these things. And don't wear the cans because they're. Because whatever reason.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, some people don't like them.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, but David Mammon's wearing cans.
Bobby Lee
So you like the way they feel?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, when David Mammon wears cans, everybody cans. Whatever. David. Mama. Do we do.
Andrew Santino
Do you want to wear your cans?
David Mamet
I. I might be better without him because I'm definitely none of us.
Andrew Santino
This show's gonna be crazy if anybody cannot wear cans. Yeah, yeah, it's him. It's Dave, ma' am.
Shia LaBeouf
Exactly. You want to take yours off now?
Andrew Santino
No.
Shia LaBeouf
Okay.
Andrew Santino
Just a regular guy.
Bobby Lee
We're just a normal. He's a normal guy like us.
Andrew Santino
Just a regular. No, it's Dave Mammoth. Let's see him.
David Mamet
You never call. You never.
Andrew Santino
Because I don't want to mess it up. Yeah, we got a good thing going. You know when you. When you got a good relationship with somebody who you really respect and then you never want to talk to him.
Bobby Lee
Oh, I was. Yes. Except for the respect part. A good relationship. I never want to talk to.
Andrew Santino
I understand.
Bobby Lee
Only when we need to talk.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
We're like a really smooth married couple.
David Mamet
Do you fight about the kids? You gotta fight about the kids.
Bobby Lee
He's never around.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
I just take care of all of. He's never around.
Shia LaBeouf
Well, we adopted David.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
We're one dwarf.
Bobby Lee
One little tiny.
Shia LaBeouf
You gotta have one dwarf.
Bobby Lee
Little black dwarf kid.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta. We got lucky. That's winning the lottery, right?
Bobby Lee
It really was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
And he started to see. He's so small.
Bobby Lee
He's so tiny.
Andrew Santino
Who are you talking about?
Bobby Lee
Our adopted child.
Shia LaBeouf
Our adopted child.
Bobby Lee
Ladies and gentlemen of Bad Friends fans, it is an honor, a privilege, an incredible moment in our time with this show. We have two unbelievably well respected, accomplished.
Shia LaBeouf
Please remember their names.
Bobby Lee
Please remember Shia LaBeouf.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
And David Mamet.
Shia LaBeouf
What a duo.
Bobby Lee
What a duo.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah. Abbott and Costello. We'd rather not have that.
Bobby Lee
That is nothing like this. So not close. He does this a lot. He does.
David Mamet
What happened to Garfunkel?
Bobby Lee
Nobody gives a shit.
Shia LaBeouf
Is he alive?
Bobby Lee
No one.
Shia LaBeouf
He's alive, Dave.
David Mamet
I don't know.
Bobby Lee
Is he really alive? Is Garfunkel still alive? And that's how dark and mean this is. And you know what happens on the show? We shouldn't say anybody's name. We talk about people on this show and within how long? Six months, they die.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
So we did that to the Pope.
Shia LaBeouf
People think J.D. vance killed him.
Andrew Santino
No, no, no.
Bobby Lee
We did.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah.
David Mamet
Oh, yeah.
Bobby Lee
No, but I'm not kidding. We literally just talked about the Pope. We were just. Just talking about him, nothing negative. And then, boom, he dies. So all of our fans are like, please don't talk about people anymore on the show.
Shia LaBeouf
May I read it for. For the room?
Bobby Lee
Yeah. Can you read it?
Shia LaBeouf
Yes. Our Count Fockel is alive. He was born on November 5, 1941.
Bobby Lee
Isn't it incredible that you're David Mamet? Such an incredible writer. I'm a terrible reader, a Pulitzer Prize winner.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
You can't even read four words without anything complex inside of it.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, well, give me a complex word. I can say it right now.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, but that's his genius.
Bobby Lee
Give him a complex.
Shia LaBeouf
I'm a genius, right?
Andrew Santino
I know you.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, I know you, too.
Andrew Santino
I've given you so many compliments. If I give you another one today, it'd be uncomfortable.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, please don't.
David Mamet
I gotta do it. The best T shirt I've seen in 80.
Andrew Santino
Oh, the T shirt.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, really?
David Mamet
Where'd you get the tea? It's magnificent.
Shia LaBeouf
Well, there was a not dwarf, but he's a small man. Dean Del Rey, we know a small man who collects T shirts. And I was over at a house, and he goes, you want this for 50? And I go, yeah.
David Mamet
Have you gone to a vintage fair lately?
Andrew Santino
$50.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Is that too much?
Andrew Santino
That's too much.
David Mamet
No, man. No, no, no.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
David Mamet
If you go to a vintage. Fair enough.
Andrew Santino
He's big on the fashion. He spends on.
Shia LaBeouf
Look at that.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, but this is a remake, David. This is an original, a print. That's a lithograph.
Shia LaBeouf
I love Exile, Main Street. I love Let It Bleed. I like the band. Yeah, yeah, that goes. It's called Maid Worn.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, he go. So he goes to these. There's a company called Maid Worn. They do this. It's like fake retro shirts.
David Mamet
It's not great.
Shia LaBeouf
You know, I knew when you were going to. Come on, you were going to do this.
Bobby Lee
You see those shoes, Bobby? Those are actually worn. Those are earned. That's earned. Worn.
Shia LaBeouf
Well, these aren't earned. These aren't earned. And these are called Golden Goose. And they come.
Andrew Santino
Bobby.
Bobby Lee
He likes pre worn. He loves.
Andrew Santino
I understand it, though. Yeah, I get it.
Shia LaBeouf
Well, you. Well, explain it to me, Shia. Well, if you understand it.
Andrew Santino
I know you very well, Bobby. I feel like I grew up with you, in a weird way.
Bobby Lee
You did?
Andrew Santino
Yeah, in a weird way.
Shia LaBeouf
Well, I met your dad first.
Andrew Santino
Well, the. I met. So Radford hall used to do these big comedy things, like where they'd bring in all the comics.
Shia LaBeouf
Can we talk about sobriety?
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
So I met him in a recovery. Basically, we're in a big. Radford Hall.
Shia LaBeouf
I remember. Okay, you were with a hottie.
Andrew Santino
I was.
Bobby Lee
Let him finish.
Andrew Santino
My father and my. And. And Bobby was like the headliner for three years in a row. And I remember the first year at Radford Hall, I. He wasn't looking forward to it. And then Bobby got up about two minutes in, his dick came out and all the drunks in the hall loved him. And it's been like that for three years. And then I think. I think on the third year, I remember. I remember went up to Bobby and I. I tried to talk to him. You were very busy and you had a beautiful woman with you. But I remember telling you, you're my favorite comic. And then I said it to you three or four times. From then on, I saw you. Elijah's thing.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was really nice for you to show up to that.
Bobby Lee
You took your dick out in front of all these people.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, yeah. So it was that kind of party.
Bobby Lee
Never done anything like that before. That's like a big. That's.
Andrew Santino
Well, this was. This was. This is 2004 or something like that.
Shia LaBeouf
2004.
Bobby Lee
Oh, let me tell you something. He's still doing that bit. He's still using that fucking bit.
Shia LaBeouf
David, I have to say to you.
Bobby Lee
Any male nudity in any of your films, David? Any male nudity?
David Mamet
That's a very good question. I don't know. I don't think so. I mean. Yeah. Again, do I look like you look at attractive people bringing each other up? Yes. But on the other hand, it's a cheap way to get out of a scene that you don't know how to fit.
Shia LaBeouf
Right?
Bobby Lee
Yeah, that's right.
Andrew Santino
I think if you're well endowed, you can't do male nudity. I think it's only good if you're three inches and under and then you. Then you can get away with it.
Bobby Lee
That's what I say to him all the time. The only reason he gets away when we do live, because it's brave.
Andrew Santino
Because then it's brave. Well, because then it's brave. You look at Bobby do that and you go, that man is so brave to do that.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, I think, I think you're. I think you're close. I think if your penis is too big and you show your penis on a live show, it's rude.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, it's rude.
Bobby Lee
I think if your penis is too small, it's fun. Yes, but if you have a regular penis, that's brave.
Shia LaBeouf
Am I regular?
David Mamet
Am I regular?
Bobby Lee
You are.
Andrew Santino
You're regular. Oh, thank God.
Bobby Lee
He is a right.
Shia LaBeouf
My dad used to say I was small the whole time.
Bobby Lee
Well, your father was an alcoholic.
Andrew Santino
My dad did beat you with golf clubs.
Bobby Lee
So what does he know?
Andrew Santino
My dad did that.
David Mamet
Guys, am I having a.
Andrew Santino
Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, sorry.
David Mamet
When I was a kid, I started doing this. They'd say, what do you think about Mark Twain? Now we're talking about your dick.
Andrew Santino
Sorry. Yeah, that's my fault. I'm sorry I brought it up.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
David Mamet
Things change, right?
Bobby Lee
What do you think about Mark Twain?
David Mamet
I love him.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
What about Mark Twain's dick?
David Mamet
Sloppy kisser. Did you know that?
Bobby Lee
Mark Twain.
Shia LaBeouf
Did you know him?
David Mamet
Sloppy. A little bit before my time. He met General Grant and General Grant said the motherfucker stuck his tongue. But he stuck his tongue down my throat. That's what he said about Mark Twain.
Bobby Lee
Made out with Grant.
David Mamet
What? Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Wow.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow.
Bobby Lee
He said he was a kisser.
David Mamet
Yeah, that's right.
Bobby Lee
Great writer. Shit kisser.
David Mamet
Wow. Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
That's incredible.
Bobby Lee
Is that a thing from a kiss hello is. A kiss. Hello is polite. You have to receive it. What if you don't? What if you're not in the mood for a kiss hello?
David Mamet
Exactly. So you gotta turn your head. But that's always. Don't you find that? That's always. You feel like it's a put down. You're gonna say, oh, I guess it's the thing. We kiss this person and they turn their head a little bit, right? You want to die, right?
Shia LaBeouf
Well, the other day, I was. I was. I went on the date with five. Five times this girl, remember? The hot supermodel. And the fifth time I went in to have a kiss and she turned her head shot. Oh, guys. Oh, my God.
Andrew Santino
Is this the girl that I met at the movie theater?
Shia LaBeouf
No, no.
Andrew Santino
Somebody new.
Bobby Lee
He's got a new.
Andrew Santino
He's amazing.
Bobby Lee
It's a. It's a rotate. It's like.
Shia LaBeouf
What do you mean, Shia? You don't.
Andrew Santino
You never was. Never like that.
Shia LaBeouf
You're in a relationship?
Andrew Santino
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, you're married.
Andrew Santino
Yeah. Never, never like that, though.
Bobby Lee
It's bingo balls for him. It's like the rotating. He just pulls a new one and then.
Andrew Santino
You weren't like that either.
David Mamet
What?
Andrew Santino
You're a bit like me. You're a little bit prude, like. Right. It's like one girl for a long time. And you know, you're not dating five.
David Mamet
Six women to fight. A long time.
Andrew Santino
A long time. Years and years.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
David Mamet
Well, yeah. I've been married to the same wonderful broad for 35 years.
Andrew Santino
But even in your young life. In your young life. In your young life, you weren't doing this five, six different days, were you?
Bobby Lee
A Cox when you were young? I feel like you were.
David Mamet
It was the 60s.
Shia LaBeouf
Okay, all right.
Bobby Lee
Everybody was free.
Andrew Santino
That's an easy answer.
David Mamet
William H. Macy, my great friend, we grew up together, used to say in the 60s, you were terrified that somewhere there was some woman you hadn't had intercourse with.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow. Wow.
Andrew Santino
Different time.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Afraid if I was in that time, I'd still be like, not doing.
Bobby Lee
Nothing would change.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
It's probably harder to get late.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, that's probably. Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Little Korean boy.
Shia LaBeouf
I'll be the first incel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they'll go, watch out for that guy.
Bobby Lee
Talking on a new Reddit.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
Knock now. What are you talking about? Yoko Ono, was it? Come on. Every. There was a whole thing going. Everybody was like, I gotta give me one of those.
Shia LaBeouf
Asian women were fetishized back then for sure, but not Asian men.
Bobby Lee
Not Asian men.
Shia LaBeouf
We were.
Bobby Lee
This is a new. This.
Andrew Santino
Maybe you're right.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah. We were like, oh, yeah, that guy.
Andrew Santino
You're right. This is new. What's going on for you now?
Bobby Lee
It's heavy.
Andrew Santino
You're at the cutting edge of this new thing going on.
David Mamet
What's the new thing?
Andrew Santino
Well, he's got five, six different beautiful women a week. He dates. No, no, no. Chaya, you just said that.
Shia LaBeouf
I know. Dates.
Andrew Santino
Dates is dates, not sex.
Shia LaBeouf
Not.
Andrew Santino
Okay, you mean just like. Like a corned beef sandwich?
Shia LaBeouf
Let me think about that.
Bobby Lee
He loves corn.
Shia LaBeouf
I do love it. I don't know how you got that, but. Yes. Just like that.
Andrew Santino
Got it.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew Santino
Well, because I figure where you hang out, you probably hang out at the places where you're very famous. Yeah, yeah. He's the type to go to the corned beef sandwich spot next to the stand up club so he can get that social currency of the. Hey, Bobby, good to see you again. Want a corned beef, Shia?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
Shia, it's so good to have you here.
Andrew Santino
I'm pretty dead on here, right?
Shia LaBeouf
You're on fire.
Bobby Lee
Pretends that is not the case. But you see the idiots in the Booth nodding this is 100 him.
Shia LaBeouf
Okay.
Bobby Lee
He will position himself for specifically in places where he knows he will be recognized and he knows he will be fawned over. He love. He loves it.
Shia LaBeouf
I want to say something because I tried. You guys interrupt me before, but if I may get this information.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, go ahead, please.
Shia LaBeouf
If I may, my brother and I.
Bobby Lee
Ask you something real fast.
Andrew Santino
What's up?
Bobby Lee
Go ahead. Go ahead, Bobby. Sorry about that.
Shia LaBeouf
You're really gonna mad today. I'm stuttering.
Bobby Lee
All right.
Shia LaBeouf
I got some muscles now.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, dude, go ahead. He's on Ozempic. So he's on this kick now.
Andrew Santino
Yeah. You do look thinner.
Bobby Lee
He does. Yeah. Stand up and show him. Do the thing.
Shia LaBeouf
All right.
Bobby Lee
Take to lift up the shirt. He's got. He lost a bunch of weight.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
David Mamet
Oh, real good. Yeah, real good. Looking good.
Andrew Santino
Good.
Shia LaBeouf
Okay.
David Mamet
Looking good. Yeah.
Bobby Lee
You didn't need to rub.
Shia LaBeouf
I didn't. That's one of my powers.
Bobby Lee
Talk about your brother.
Shia LaBeouf
No, but my brother has a favorite movie. Glenn Glary Glen Ross.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
No way.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
I would have never pegged that.
Shia LaBeouf
It's our favorite movie.
Andrew Santino
I. I see you liking it.
Shia LaBeouf
In fact, there's an Asian lady that's at the coat. I worked with her before.
Bobby Lee
Oh, in the movie?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. In the movie there's a Asian lady that gives people like I think Pacino.
Bobby Lee
A coat or like a coat at a coat check.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Yeah. And I worked with her once and I kept bombarding her with like. What was it? Like this and that, you know, I.
Bobby Lee
Mean, how embedded in the zeitgeist's coffees for closers. It's like a. It's such like a. Yeah. It's a thing that literally everybody knows.
David Mamet
Yeah. I wrote this play, Glenn Glengarry, Glenn Ross. And I did it as a movie and I put in this extra scene for Alec Baldwin. It says coffee is foreclosures. It's all everybody remembers about the stupid.
Bobby Lee
Funny how why did. Like. Why? It's. It's weird when things get picked out like I did. I work with Pete fairly. Same kind of thing. And fairly says the thing that you think people will pick out of it is probably the thing that they least will recognize and the thing that you can't believe they took like the coffees for closers. You never thought that that was like a. A moment that people would steal and then. No, it would be like used over in other things forever. Because it is. They put it in fucking like Family Guy or other shows will reference it.
David Mamet
Yeah. That's great. And what everybody loves Everybody loves everybody, adores shy you.
Andrew Santino
And.
Bobby Lee
Yes.
Andrew Santino
Not everybody.
Bobby Lee
Yes, everybody in this fucking room.
David Mamet
So my work.
Shia LaBeouf
My producer calls today.
David Mamet
My producer calls up. He says, dave, you've been doing this forever. I don't want to tell you your business, but don't forget to plug the movie.
Andrew Santino
Let's do that then.
David Mamet
The movie's called We'll Do It Later.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, okay, we do it later.
David Mamet
We'll do it later. But here's the thing. In the movie, he's got a line. He plays a prisoner. And the other guy. Evan. Evan Johnny guy, who is the guy who he's turning out is now is punk. Says, but how do you know all this shit? And his line is, baby, I do this for a living. So that's everybody's talking about.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, I was going to say. I think you're being humble. I think Dave does know. I think, you know, when we're doing the play, he's there. It's not like Dave's gone and the play's dead. And then we're just putting it up. He's in the crowd. He's. He's not watching us for the most part. I mean, I don't know what you're watching, but what I'm. What I. What I. When I'm backstage watching you watch, it's a whole lot of, you know, he's in the back. He's all the way in the back watching the backs of heads.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow.
Andrew Santino
And so, like, when heads start to, like, start looking around and stuff, he's got to fix his script. At least what it feels like. The stuff that gets revised and we don't get much of it, and it happens pretty quick, and it happens pretty early in the process. But he'll come to the first five, six, seven different shows. He'll watch the crowd move around. You'll get these little revisions, and that'll be the last of it.
David Mamet
See, that's the thing. A lot of movies. Most of the people who make movies never see their movie with a live audience. None of. None of the executives do. What they're doing is completely theoretical because you got to sit in the. In the audience and say, where did the attention fade? Why? And how can I fix it? Because if not, what the hell are you doing?
Shia LaBeouf
What? Focus groups. That's why they're there, right?
Andrew Santino
You know, but it's so rare.
David Mamet
No, focus groups are bullshit.
Andrew Santino
That's for marketing department.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, I see. I see. Okay.
David Mamet
Yeah, focus. I'll tell you good focus groups here, because what you do with the focus Group is you ask the people to become critics. So you're bringing out the worst in them, just like you bring out. Think about it, think about it. We go to a restaurant, right? And we have a pretty good time. And then the chef comes out and said, we're gonna sit down for half an hour and we're gonna talk. What did you like? What would you like different? Well, I don't want to feel stupid, so I'm not gonna say I had a good time.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, you gotta have something.
David Mamet
Yeah, maybe a little bit more salt in that thing. So there was a guy called. There was a guy called Joe Farrel. Invented this, like in the 70s, 80s. I was doing a bunch of studio movies. This thing where the people would sit in a watch the movie on a screen and they'd have dials. And if you put the dial this way, it means I liked it. And you put the dial that way means I don't like it. And they would have graphs and graphs and graphs and all the p. And a production and advertising money would get allocated based on the graphs. And Joe Farrell made this huge amount of money with these stupid fucking grants. And I was talking to one day, I did a movie and I said, well, you know, Joe, I guess the numbers aren't quite as good as as they could be. And he said, well, how good would you like them to be? All a scam.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, we can make the dials only lean one way.
David Mamet
No, that he's gonna snow. The dials are a fucking scam.
Bobby Lee
Right.
David Mamet
He's. If you like. A smarter man would have said, Joe, wait here a second. Oh my God. Is this your $50,000? In mine.
Shia LaBeouf
All right.
David Mamet
He was just bribeable.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow. Brilliant.
Bobby Lee
It is fucking. Yeah, gross, but it's brilliant. Yeah, but that's the throes of this business. You've seen a hundred thousand times. You've seen all those tricks. You've seen them come and go, Right?
David Mamet
Yeah, exactly. So. But the thing is that the bit we just did this movie, very cheap, very effective.
Shia LaBeouf
Let's talk about it.
David Mamet
Oh, no, but the thing is, we made it with ourselves because Shia said, we just did the play to plays over. Let's do a movie. So now the complete bit, the business has completely changed and the studio system is just completely over. Yeah, it's just dead. Doesn't exist anymore because the technology has changed. Right, right. Which is kind of great. It's. It's. Unless you have an interest in the old technology and you want to spend $250 million remaking a bad version of Snow White. And, you know, you could take all the people who saw it and stick them in a fucking school bus.
Bobby Lee
Right.
David Mamet
But nobody's taking responsibility for that because they're all bureaucrats making bureaucratic decisions.
Shia LaBeouf
David. David, did you see Snow White?
David Mamet
I didn't see it.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Yeah.
Bobby Lee
He doesn't watch movies.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, he doesn't. Oh, you don't watch at all?
David Mamet
There was a lot of old movies. Anti. Semitism in it from this one girl. But if I want to see that, I'll just go to Colle Be.
Bobby Lee
Is. Is that true? It's. It's got a bunch of anti.
David Mamet
One of the girls came out and she said, you know, free.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, oh, the main girl, Rachel Zag.
David Mamet
Snow White girl. She apparently also said that the prince was stalking her.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, that's what I remember that we're.
Bobby Lee
Going to make Snow Red where he's a murderer. He stalks her and actually gets her.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
And he uses the dwarves as little slaves. We wrote it.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
I don't know if we're ever gonna make it. Yeah, yeah, but we're gonna. We're gonna. We'll try. Yeah, but you've. You. When you say that the. The studio system is so. And you guys made this movie now, and you did it for cheap. When you say cheap. What is cheap now?
Andrew Santino
The same amount. Amount to play. It'd just be like mounting the play in Chicago instead of spending that money mounting in Chicago. We just filmed it with Dave.
David Mamet
Yeah. Because the secret is, what does it cost to make a movie? You can make the. You can make the 500 grand movie for $100 million. And you can do that make $100 million movie for. For 500 grand.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
The reason that I'm curious, I don't. I get. I don't need to know the number, not the pride. It's just we're creating our own a lot now. Right? Like, we built this little world. We did an animated show. We did a game show. We're doing it on our own. And they always want to know how much. And we don't really divulge because we don't really know.
Shia LaBeouf
We don't know.
Andrew Santino
We'll tell you.
Bobby Lee
Like, we'll tell you what would cost us one week.
Shia LaBeouf
Meaning, like, the actors are very prepare.
Bobby Lee
Yeah. One week is incredible. Shut the up. He's taking shots at us. He's saying we're not prepared.
Shia LaBeouf
You know what? You.
Bobby Lee
Dude, dude, you'll go back to Spain.
Shia LaBeouf
You win.
Andrew Santino
Different genius, dude. Different genius. I couldn't do this. No way.
Bobby Lee
See? Shy.
Shia LaBeouf
I love you. Thank you so much, by the way.
Bobby Lee
Let me call him out.
Shia LaBeouf
We have allies, you know What? We have allies, my friend.
Bobby Lee
Right? These are our dogs.
Shia LaBeouf
You want to get destroyed.
Bobby Lee
You're so David. This guy, this guy in the white shirt is a film student cinephile. He's a. He wants to be a director. And.
Andrew Santino
And I knew that she was gonna.
Bobby Lee
Let me tell you something. This guy, that's a director, he loves. He loves him.
Shia LaBeouf
He's a director.
Bobby Lee
It's a real one.
Shia LaBeouf
That's a real one, right? From the old school, right?
Bobby Lee
He loves and respects you.
Shia LaBeouf
You don't got it.
Bobby Lee
And he brought. He brought your book and. Show him the book. Show him the book.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, my God.
Bobby Lee
And here's what something he said to me.
Shia LaBeouf
He said, did you bring the lube too?
Bobby Lee
Yeah. Because he wants you to roll it and put it up his asshole.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, yeah, but he writes good books.
Bobby Lee
He asked me would. Would it be okay If I have Mr. Mama sign that book? That's what he said with that accent. That's.
Shia LaBeouf
That's his accent.
Bobby Lee
Say, it would be okay. It would be okay for me some mama to sign the book.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
And I said, I'm gonna tell you something. If you're good on your good behavior. Yes. Now you up.
Shia LaBeouf
You're not getting.
Bobby Lee
You're not getting.
Shia LaBeouf
You're not getting.
Bobby Lee
Shove it up your ass right now.
Shia LaBeouf
Without the lube, without the loop, Mr.
Bobby Lee
Mamet will not sign. No, he will not sign.
Shia LaBeouf
He will not sign.
Bobby Lee
By the way, this is. Sorry to enter. You enter in this world of chaos. We love these guys.
Shia LaBeouf
We love them.
Bobby Lee
This guy went to the hospital four days ago. The guy in the yellow shirt. He called me at three in the morning. I'm throwing up blood. I know. This is so great. Call you.
Andrew Santino
I was throwing up blood. Why?
David Mamet
What?
Shia LaBeouf
They don't really know, actually. But McCone over here took me to the hospital.
Bobby Lee
Coney picked him up.
Andrew Santino
Whoa.
Bobby Lee
He was sick as a dog. He called me. He had to go to the hospital in the middle of the night.
David Mamet
Wait a second. One guy's in the hospital, the other guy. Does everybody over there have a disability?
Bobby Lee
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Bobby Lee
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Shia LaBeouf
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Shia LaBeouf
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Bobby Lee
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Shia LaBeouf
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Andrew Santino
That's so good.
Bobby Lee
David. The man in the back. Can you see that gentleman in the back? What do you think his disability is? I bet you could put it together just looking at him.
David Mamet
Oh, dude. Well, he's got very good taste in clothes. And he's got that he. Harris tweed jacket on. Yeah, he's got on the hat. Wearing it in the correct direction.
Bobby Lee
That's right. That's right.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, my God.
Bobby Lee
So his disability seems lower than the other two is what you're saying. He seems to be a little bit more put together.
David Mamet
Well, I don't know. Come on, mystery guest, come in and sign in, please. What is your disability?
Bobby Lee
I'm just a little slow.
David Mamet
You what?
Shia LaBeouf
He's a little slow.
David Mamet
Good.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
Good. You got a thumbs up.
David Mamet
I hope that he wins the race.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew Santino
Smart to rock that jacket today day, though.
David Mamet
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
He did that deliberately.
Andrew Santino
Of course he did.
Shia LaBeouf
How do you feel about that?
Andrew Santino
About the jacket?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, David Mamet's coming. I'm gonna.
Andrew Santino
I mean, I respect it. Hats off, but, you know, it's like a weak point.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew Santino
You win a weak point.
Bobby Lee
That's right.
Andrew Santino
Okay. Awesome. There you go. Congratulations. Dave didn't give me any compliments on my outfit today. I don't think you ever have a second.
David Mamet
This for the first time. You didn't look.
Andrew Santino
He's very fashionable.
David Mamet
You didn't look like you. This first time.
Shia LaBeouf
You.
David Mamet
It didn't look like you dressed from the dryer in the. In the dark.
Andrew Santino
No, no. I knew you were coming. I wanted to be respectful. I tucked my shirt in.
Shia LaBeouf
Dude.
Bobby Lee
Are you really dead, dude?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
And he got a belt.
Shia LaBeouf
Dude.
Andrew Santino
I put. I even tucked my belt in. That's how serious I'm taking this.
David Mamet
I was talking to Jay Moore yesterday. Jay Moore podcast. Yeah, he loves the movie. He loves you. And he talked for like a half an hour.
Andrew Santino
I love Jay.
David Mamet
About the way you tucked your shirt.
Andrew Santino
I love Jay.
David Mamet
That thing. So.
Andrew Santino
So Jay's a big part of my.
Shia LaBeouf
Like, you know, what a change.
Andrew Santino
That dude saved me in a lot of. A lot of nights. He saved me, that guy.
Shia LaBeouf
Dude.
Andrew Santino
People don't talk about it, but he's a big.
David Mamet
No, he was talking.
Andrew Santino
He's a big, big. He's very.
Shia LaBeouf
He's a good changed. I've never seen anyone change that dramatic.
Andrew Santino
He's.
Shia LaBeouf
He used to be terrible boy.
Andrew Santino
He's. He lives service now and his life reflects it.
Shia LaBeouf
He's the nicest, most.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Mindful, open.
Andrew Santino
And his life changed so positively, like, miraculous.
Shia LaBeouf
Miraculous.
Andrew Santino
Everything went up yeah, man.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Great to watch.
Shia LaBeouf
It really does work.
David Mamet
Work.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
When you see that, you go, it works.
Andrew Santino
Yeah. He's that example for me.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
You know, when. When I was. I was doing this play, I was still low. I would drag him to meetings with me. He would show up to meetings. Well, he's love stories, so our room's got stories for days. So he would just go in there to listen to these stories with me.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
Sometimes I wouldn't want to go by myself. I said, dave, come with me, you know?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
That's the kind of cat he is.
David Mamet
So in my life, I was going through a real, real difficult. Really difficult.
Andrew Santino
Yeah. We met at a good time.
David Mamet
You saved my life. And I would go to the meetings and the guy. One guy would say, you know, my wife left me and she took all my money. And then I realized that she'd given me very bad disease and I couldn't even go dating anymore. And I bought a gun and. But. And people in the room were laughing.
Andrew Santino
To tears. To tears.
David Mamet
Am I lying?
Andrew Santino
No. It's the only way.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Yeah. It's the only way.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Because we were late.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
You. I mean, it's that, you know, I mean, I've been in and out since I was 17.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
I had 17 years. One at one point, like.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, I know you. You were in the rooms when I first came in. Yeah, at Moore park, before Radford.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Yeah. So it's like. But at 17, what a gift as a kid.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
To get that. Yeah. I wouldn't be here without it.
Bobby Lee
How did you.
Andrew Santino
How did you even get in? Like. Because your dad wasn't. It wasn't family.
Shia LaBeouf
No, my dad was a violent alcoholic.
Andrew Santino
Sure. Among other things.
Shia LaBeouf
Thanks.
Andrew Santino
That up? Well.
Bobby Lee
You sure?
Andrew Santino
Yeah, you're welcome. But. But he didn't bring you in the rooms.
Shia LaBeouf
No, I went to. I mean, when I was in high school, I went to a bunch of rehabs.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
And then the. I think the third one, it clicked.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
And I met this old Korean man by, you know, kid. Dan.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, Dan.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Yeah. And when I was a kid and he had 17 years, at that point, he was at this long white hair, tattoos, full Korean. He was adopted long ago and he was my sponsor. It was my junior year in high school when I met him and I just gave him a, what, 50, 60 year cake or whatever. Yeah. I mean, he's still like a part of my life.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
I mean, but. Yeah, without that, I'd be dead.
Andrew Santino
I think, like, Elijah's like that for me. I got a bunch of these, like, jay, there's like, 40 guys I would tap and say, oh, man. If not for them. Yeah, that's the beauty.
Shia LaBeouf
I mean, that's why you're here. As lies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
While you guys were shooting the movie or the play is when you were going to these meetings?
Andrew Santino
Well, no, when we. When we know, when we were filming. We were filming. When we were filming, we always grind mode. And then I would catch my meetings when I can get him at night. Usually he's way overwhelmed trying to mount. Especially the way we did it. It was just. There was no, like, extra time.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
But before all that, you know, there. Because he is who he is, and. And maybe it's just my thing. There's a getting over Dave Mamet process.
David Mamet
You know?
Andrew Santino
I mean, you got to get over it. You just got to get over it. It'd be like being asked to play Batman. Like, you just got to get over and get to the work. Work. It's like you can. You can scare yourself to complete mute. You can terrify yourself. First day he walks in and you know you're about to be in a play that he wrote. It's one of the scariest moments of my life for, like, the first table read. So, like, I showed up to the table read. I don't know really what I'm doing. I never did a play. I know it's a David Mamet play. What I know is, like, that's the pinnacle. Like, get every word, every punch. So I show up at the table read. I'm off book. That's not normal normally, you know, you're reading.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, we know.
Andrew Santino
I'm scared.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew Santino
So. So that fear helped me, but the fear had to wear off at a certain point. And I don't know if it. It ever wore off during the play. But we became friends in the midst of that. Like, close, close. Like, closer than I'd been with most any director I'd ever work with.
Bobby Lee
You also the only one off book?
Shia LaBeouf
No.
Andrew Santino
No. Well.
Shia LaBeouf
So nervous. He was so nervous.
Andrew Santino
So, like, Evan has done plays before. Plus, Evan and him already have a relationship I didn't have with Dave. I met Dave through fan letter. You know, I've been trying to get the Dave from for 10 years, you know, and, wow, there'll be a project that pops up, and I'll. Yeah, I'll do anything. What do you want me to do? And. And then it'll come. It'll go, you know, or somebody will take it from him. Like, we were gonna do this JFK movie, and they just took it.
David Mamet
Play Oswald.
Andrew Santino
Yeah. And I was psyched because that's gonna be so great. Yeah, Oswald, that's. That's one of the great roles, you know, you could ever have. So. And in the midst of grinding on that, they took it from him. And then he fell into a dark spell because it's like somebody taking your baby from you. And. And then. And then it was. And our play was still up as all this was going on, so it was a matter like, me and Evan, like, ah, we got it because he's captain. We got to get captain back up. You know, we got to get his spirits back up. So we almost threw it out. Like. Like, no way. Maybe he'll bite. Because usually we throw ideas to him. He doesn't. Has no. No interest. Right. He'll say something like, yeah, no, I hear you. Unless it's. Unless it's to the work. If it's about the work.
David Mamet
This was such a great idea because we did the play. It was great. And. And we could have run it forever, except you can't ask the actors to come in and work for 19.95 a week.
Andrew Santino
We would have, though. We were loving.
David Mamet
But anyway. And so Shy and Evan come and say, let's do a movie. So I say, no, we can't do a. What are you talking about? Takes forever. And we have to go and talk to the. In the Valley and say, no, no, no, no, no, dude, we're gonna. We're gonna do it ourselves. We're gonna raise the money ourselves. We're gonna do it ourselves. How? So I say, how we gonna do it?
Shia LaBeouf
It?
David Mamet
I say it. I don't know. We're just going to do it. And so, like, a lot of the great things in my life, I got dragged into it kicking and screaming.
Andrew Santino
Yeah. Yeah, he wasn't.
David Mamet
Turned out to be the best. The best thing that I've done in. In decades, the most changed my life.
Andrew Santino
We were prepping this behind his back, actually.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, wow.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, we were prepping the thing, trying to get it mounted. Obviously, we couldn't hire nobody, but we're trying to get everything. Me and Evan trying to get it. Most. Mostly Evan trying to get everything sorted so he could come in and sort of, you know, turnkey, go, go. And then he had to pick his dp and then that was his whole thing. But I remember there was like a month where we were trying to sneakily get this thing prepped and mounted behind his back because he thought, oh, no way you could do it. And I kept, like, pushing towards Louis CK Content. Kept saying, oh, man, Louis CK Boy, Dave. Louis CK Matters. Dave, you know, he matters for a bunch of reasons, but he should matter for us a lot right now. He's kind of the guy. He's doing it, and he's. He's winning independent, you know, He's. He's pushing through all the BS and he's getting to the crowd. You know, he's getting. And you. Like, I just came off a Coppola land. This is a guy who's got power. He can make the entire industry flex. Like, he'll make them all turn based on.
Shia LaBeouf
Did you like the movie?
Andrew Santino
No, but. But I love him, you know?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
Yeah. And we fought all through the thing because it wasn't my dream, and I was trying to learn his dream, which you're always trying to do when you're on a movie. You try to learn your guy's dream. Sometimes those dreams aren't easily accessible. Sometimes you feel like you're not old enough to get to the dream. With me and him, it felt like that felt like, oh, you know, shit, I don't know about. About, you know, because I'm a baby and you don't live the life, you know? So I would acquiesce to him, but I remember he could. He could make the industry move, you know, because he had that kind of power. And then I look at his accomplishments, and then I look at Dave's accomplishments, and I don't see this drastic divide. I feel like, you know, I respect the stuff Dave did as much as I respect the stuff Francis did. But Francis had the shot to get to the audience. They kind of made a clear path for him, you know, he was, like the darling of the industry.
Shia LaBeouf
Right.
Andrew Santino
And so I don't know how many resident geniuses you boys have, but I don't have any, you know.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
The fact that I know Dave feels like some kind of miracle. So then it was like, oh, well, if I could just work on Dave's stuff forever, that would be a dream come true.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, wow.
Andrew Santino
Yeah. So then it was like, how do we get Dave a channel? How do you get Dave his own Dave Mamet channel? Yeah, that's how the conversation start.
David Mamet
Dragged me into it. So what we discovered is you don't need Hollywood. You don't need a bunch of money. You need some talent. You need an idea and need a telephone.
Andrew Santino
Funny to hear you talk about talent, because that's very funny to hear you Talk about talent. Anybody who's a David Mamet fan, talent's not a big David Mamet word. Persistence, you know, like, just like grinding, throwing water at the same mark on the stone for long enough, and eventually it'll happen, I think, even with you. Because I feel like with you, you, it's like I have to be careful. I can't really tell you all the way how I feel. I respect you too much. You know what I mean? I kind of have to. Through Evan. Evan. Because Evan and him are. Have. Have something I didn't have. You know, I'm not spending every week and all the time, you know, with Dave like that. So Evan was good at translating things that I couldn't. Like, you know, like I would just come off too thirsty. I think I would scare you, because I'd be too ambitious. Too thirsty. Because when I say stuff like, dave, I'll do anything you ever want to do. I think you're the greatest writer. It almost sounds like.
David Mamet
No, it's not bullshit. Listen, the first moment. The first.
Bobby Lee
No, he goes, it's not bullshit. I am the greatest.
Andrew Santino
Best response ever.
David Mamet
Listen. From the first moment. We had a mutual friend who eventually sold both of us out. And he. My mutual friend, was having a lunch with Shia, and I'd always admired Shia's work very, very much. And I sat down and my mutual friends all sit on Shia LaBeouf. Dave. And out. I say, hi, Shia LaBeouf. Why have such. I so admire you. And Shia says, that's not necessary.
Bobby Lee
Huh?
David Mamet
And it just. It was shocking. It's like you. It's shocking. It's like I saw into who this. This wonderful man is in. In a second. I'm a human being. You're a human being. It's a pleasure to meet you. Remember that.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
What's the movie called?
Andrew Santino
Called. Oh, Henry Johnson. Henryjohnsonmovie.com. that's how you get it out now.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Everyone can watch it now.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
David Mamet
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
And then what? Can you give us a brief synopsis what it's about? Or.
Andrew Santino
I mean, I. David. Better at it. The way I see these two.
David Mamet
Life. These two lifelong friends, an old guy and an old woman. They've been high school sweethearts and they both grown old together, but they meet again and their lives seem to be older, but they go on a road trip.
Bobby Lee
Trip.
David Mamet
And I'm kidding.
Andrew Santino
No, no. This is. This is not automobile. It's some other thing going on in his head. That's not the thing. Me. We made Together.
Bobby Lee
I was like, this isn't it.
Andrew Santino
No, it's about, like, empathy. It's about. It's about, like, overdosing on empathy. If I was going to put it in a sentence, that's what I. What I read when I read it. It was. It's about overdosing on empathy. It's about how empathy can actually. You fully. If you. If you overdose or, like, you know.
Shia LaBeouf
You sometimes, you know, the dog eating trade in China. I'm just giving you an example of empathy. When I think the movie's about.
Andrew Santino
Hold on, wait, we're getting a dog eating now?
Shia LaBeouf
Just let me see you through.
Bobby Lee
He doesn't eat breakfast.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah. And it's like, I. I hate these people that, you know, I mean, do this to these kind animals. And then I go to China. Right, right. And I'm like. And I'm like, oh, my God, look at this puppy. And the puppy goes and eats my face.
Bobby Lee
Right?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, like that.
Andrew Santino
Just like that. Just like that.
Bobby Lee
How do you think about that?
Shia LaBeouf
No, am I right or no?
Bobby Lee
No.
David Mamet
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a. So we did this thing as a play. We're doing it as a movie, and it's about a guy who is so compassionate that he ruins everything around him and everyone takes advantage of him. He ends up going to prison and he ends up getting his life changed by the boss, Khan over there. And then some happens.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow.
Bobby Lee
Some shit happens.
David Mamet
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Pull up the site just so we have it.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
For everybody.
Shia LaBeouf
What is the shit happens? You get like. Like a little fondled or What?
Andrew Santino
What do you mean? Me?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah.
Andrew Santino
No, no, no, no, no, no. You mean. Oh, you went right there. Huh? It could have been a. It could have been 5,000 things.
Shia LaBeouf
That's the movie I want to see anyway.
Bobby Lee
Okay. How long, Shia?
Andrew Santino
How long?
Bobby Lee
When you're done filming this, how long does it take you to kind of clear your head out of it?
Andrew Santino
Well, I never done a play, so I still. I run these lines in my shower still.
Bobby Lee
You do?
Andrew Santino
Oh, yeah. They're so tattooed to your head. I don't know. I mean, I never. I never prepped anything like that. Lines never really mattered to me. And now, you know, after working with Dave, they kind of. I don't know. They don't matter to him either. I didn't know that walking in, though, you know, walking in, I thought, you better get every fucking comma right.
David Mamet
Well, but see, that's the trick is the best thing in the world, if you're rehearsing a Play is tell everybody. Show up learning your lines. Don't show up if you're not letter perfect. And most actors don't know that anymore because they've been badly trained and badly rehearsed for you and they want to sit down and talk about where they went to school and what their character for lunch and all this bullshit. So Shia, because he don't know any better, knows better than any of them. Just show up learning the fucking lines. Because if the actors show up in a rehearsal late, day one, learning, knowing their lines, what do you do? You block the play. It takes you three days and then you put it on.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, that's it. Do you say anything with, like, someone like me, right? I don't know my lines ever, you know?
David Mamet
Say what?
Shia LaBeouf
I never know my lines.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
But would you yell at me?
David Mamet
No, I'd say, learn your lines.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, that's it.
Andrew Santino
And you would.
Bobby Lee
No, he wouldn't.
Andrew Santino
No, you would.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
Yes, you would. I'm telling you, Bobby, you would. And you'd be great.
Bobby Lee
Even the magic of Mamet couldn't get this guy.
Andrew Santino
No, no, I can. I think lines of both of you. I think the both of you be great.
David Mamet
Wait a second. But you're a stand up comic. Yes, I like. Wait a second. Two guys go into a.
Bobby Lee
Whorehouse.
Shia LaBeouf
Whorehouse.
David Mamet
Of course it's a whorehouse. But you're gonna grow up on the, The. On the bar. The bar, yeah. Well, you got to know your lines, right?
Bobby Lee
Gotta know your lines.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, I gotta.
David Mamet
If you're telling jokes, you gotta know your line.
Shia LaBeouf
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew Santino
Not even lying. But you memorize the bit. You know what I mean?
Shia LaBeouf
We memorize where we need to get to. Right. So it's like exactly. The world, the words around it. As long as we can get to the joke.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
What actually makes it funny. Yeah, that's fine. But you guys do line by, like, word by word, right?
Andrew Santino
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Only, only, only because it's better. If I could add, if I could. If I could ad lib better lines, I would.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
And have on every other show. Yeah, but when.
Shia LaBeouf
When you're with him, of course, it's like Aaron Sorkin him. Yeah, yeah. You don't. Yeah.
Andrew Santino
There's no need to help.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, I understand. I understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it hard to. I mean, I just. I'm gonna sound stupid. I. I just need to throw it out if. Because I'm dumb, you know? I mean, it's just that. Is it hard to make them write a Movie.
David Mamet
Hey, listen, if you had Stormy Daniels on, would you say. Would you say. Where do you get your ideas?
Bobby Lee
Yeah, we actually. She's coming on after this, isn't she? She's later.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Well, yeah.
Bobby Lee
Is it hard to write a movie? Dear David Mammon, is it hard to write a movie?
Shia LaBeouf
I'm not Hotoi Shanani or whatever his name is.
Bobby Lee
From the fucking Shohei Otani.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, whatever his name his name is, write it down. I can't hit it every time, dude. You know what I mean? I'm sorry, dude. I just throw it out there.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, don't throw either.
Shia LaBeouf
All right.
Bobby Lee
Underhand. Ask him what you really want to ask him. Be honest.
Andrew Santino
That's not a bad question. There had to be some that'd be. I got you. There had to be some harder than the others.
David Mamet
Well, it is very hard.
Bobby Lee
Sh.
David Mamet
I'll tell you. I wrote this, a play a long time ago called American Buffalo. And it was a series of sketches about these thieves I was hanging out with with playing poker. And they were really good. And I did it off Broadway, a bunch of sketches and a guy called Ulu Grossbard, who was a great director. You should see his movie Straight Time. Ula Grossbaard comes to me and says, if you find a. If you can figure out the plot, I'll put it on Broadway. So I went from being an out of work cab driver to I had to sit down and figure out how to write a plot, which is very difficult. And then he put it on Broadway. So I said, oh, I get a. I know what keeps the asses in the seats. A plot, which means making the audience wonder what happens next. That's a plot. If you can write a plot, the dialogue doesn't have to be good, which we know because we see films in translation, right? We want to know what happens next. So it's very hard to write a plot because it's an equation. And the mind always wants to come up with the easiest thing, right? But the easiest thing is not the. Probably not the best thing, because if you can beat yourself to the punchline, the audience can beat you to the punchline. So in comedy, what you got to do is you got to beat the audience to the punchline. Make. Give them enough to wonder what happens next. Right. A penguin and nun and a rhinoceros go into a whorehouse. Yeah. They want to know what happens next.
Bobby Lee
I do.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. I do really want to. So what does happen?
David Mamet
What.
Shia LaBeouf
What does happen?
David Mamet
You. You know.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You climb inside the penguin Fucks the.
Bobby Lee
Nun and the rhinoceros eats them. Oh, no, that's not it.
Shia LaBeouf
No, no. I was saying we climb inside the rhino.
David Mamet
But let me tell you something. A penguin, a nun and an ostrich go into a whorehouse.
Shia LaBeouf
Where's a rhino?
David Mamet
An old brick.
Bobby Lee
He's taking tickets.
David Mamet
And they say the whorehouse is an old brick building on a quiet residential street. The kind of street where maybe your grandfather and grandmother were. I want to know what happened in the whorehouse. I don't want you to tell me about how it was built.
Bobby Lee
Right.
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Shia LaBeouf
But do you ever write with other people, though? Or do you just.
Andrew Santino
Okay, I'm trying to help you, bro. Trying to help you from the slot, you know.
David Mamet
Yeah, a couple of times I wrote with other people, but at some point I stopped doing it because even when I wrote with them, I said, you know, thanks a lot. Go sit down.
Bobby Lee
Tell us about your time in Chicago. Can you, though? Because we talk a little bit off air about when he was talking about, you know, prior to Steppenwolf and prior to. Prior to every theater in the city.
David Mamet
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
What were you. What were you doing?
David Mamet
I was. Well, I was. I got out of college and I was unemployable because I didn't know anything. I didn't know anybody. And the idea that someone was going to support me, meaning my parents, was unheard of, I mean, both in my generation and in my family. So I came back and I got a bunch of jobs. I worked at everything in the world because you could always get a job in Chicago. And I got involved in theater and I saw some stuff that I found very provocative. So I started writing plays about it. One was, as I said, I used to play in this poker game with a bunch of theaters and I really. And then I used to work in a boiler room selling land over the telephone. Boiler room. Used to be you put 20 guys on a phone in a room and they have to call up the people and say, oh, you know, Mr. Lee, I see that you were interested in land because you wrote in for our brochure about land in Arizona.
Shia LaBeouf
Well, it's kind of like Glengarry now, or.
David Mamet
No, exactly.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
David Mamet
So I saw these things that interested me, and then I started writing, reading Chekhov's plays. Anton Chekhov.
Shia LaBeouf
Is that the Star Trek guy or.
David Mamet
The other one?
Bobby Lee
Star Wars. Not Star Trek. Star Wars.
Shia LaBeouf
Okay.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
I just threw it out.
David Mamet
Check off in Star Wars.
Bobby Lee
No, no.
David Mamet
Hey, wait a second. I got a question for you people. How do you. How do you remember the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars?
Shia LaBeouf
I can tell you a million things about it. What are you talking about?
Bobby Lee
He can tell you. He can tell you. He's obsessed with Star Trek.
Shia LaBeouf
A completely different world, Richard.
David Mamet
Star.
Shia LaBeouf
Star Trek is based in Earth. On Earth, like the society that we live in, but like hundreds of years from now.
David Mamet
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
And then we have a. What's so funny? It's a crew. The Enterprise. It's a crew of explorers from Earth that explore.
David Mamet
William Shatner. Yes, it's William Shatner.
Shia LaBeouf
It's Shatner. Yeah. Did you like him?
David Mamet
Well.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Cause I'm mad at him because he fucked me once. No, not literally, but in a job.
Bobby Lee
How?
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, my God, it was the worst. I get a call from the Billboard Awards, remember? They used to have these stupid award shows, these annoying award shows.
Andrew Santino
I don't remember that.
Shia LaBeouf
Okay, we want you to do a sketch with William Shatner because they knew I was a Star Trek fan. And I go, yeah, I'll do it. So they fly me in. It's basically a scene with me and William Shatner at a poker table, right? So I'm sitting there waiting for William Shatner, right? And he comes in and there was another guy that they hired too, from la. I forgot it was a black guy guy. I love black people. Anyway. Anyway, Willie shepherd goes in, he goes, you're out, you're out. And then they dragged me out of the tent and he goes. He just rewrote it just now. So I got back on the plane and flew back to la.
Andrew Santino
Wow.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
Whoa.
Bobby Lee
William Shatner. No blacks, no Asians. That's his way. How we know who he really is?
Shia LaBeouf
No, Ura. And no.
David Mamet
No. But wait, I got a question about William Shatner, okay? It just occurred to me. He's reading his newspaper out in the back by his swimming pool, right? And his wife, who was an Olympic, like an AAU swimmer, is swimming around the pool. Swimming around the pool, swimming around the pool. And she comes over and apparently, according to him, he put his foot accidentally on her head and she drowned. She died.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
David Mamet
My question is, what was he reading?
Shia LaBeouf
I'm sober, I'm a good guy.
David Mamet
But speaking of. Wait, wait, wait. Speaking of Louis ck, dude, speaking of Louis ck, we talked about Louis that when we were doing this JFK movie, I know him from around, right? And he was considering playing Jack Ruby against his Lee Harvey.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow.
David Mamet
How awesome would that be?
Andrew Santino
You guys know him too, huh?
Bobby Lee
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew Santino
Nice guy.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Also, you know, I get so nervous around him, dude.
Bobby Lee
Also one of the greatest comedic writers that we've ever seen.
Andrew Santino
That's what I'm saying. It's to be the same thing that I initially like. It's the same kind of thing.
Shia LaBeouf
Sure, sure, sure.
David Mamet
So wait a second. So I called up Louis, who was starting this new thing, right. We're going. Going right to the people and call up Louie, because I knew he was doing it. I said, what's the secret? He said, there's no secret. Call up my guy. I call up the guy. The guy says, yeah, there's no secret. You go online, henryjohnsonmovie.com you put up an Instagram, wherever the fuck that thing is, and you. And you go out and you talk to people like people buy your. Buy your product. That's the secret.
Shia LaBeouf
Yes, that's it. Is that you don't. You don't have an Instagram.
Bobby Lee
Crack that code.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
Louie learned very early on when he did the first iteration of his Louis show. I don't know if you ever saw it.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
But it was almost mocking Multicam. It was like a clever kind of spin on multicam, and I don't think people got it right. So then when he did. Yeah, Lucky Louie. That's what it was. And then when he did his second iteration of it, which was Louis on fx, he kind of just. Just stopped all the. And was like, I'm just going to give you my world my way, without any directional notes from a studio and a thing. And the deal they made with him was he got to write it, direct it, produce it, and. And edit and push it out the way he wanted so they didn't touch it.
Andrew Santino
Right.
Bobby Lee
So he was really the groundbreaker for tr. To be fair. What we do too, like this podcast shit, it's because of those formats, because he was like, fuck it. Nobody tells Us what to do. And if you did, I don't want to work with you. So every time FX was like, you can't do this or you could do this, he was like, I'm telling you again, either I'm gonna do it, or it just doesn't happen. That's okay. So we kind of did this because this was our answer to, you know, him and I going through the business and either not getting roles or auditioning a lot and getting tired and being like, we want to make our.
Shia LaBeouf
I've had enough waiting in line.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, he's waiting.
Shia LaBeouf
Do it anymore. Audition. Audition. I'm done. I'm done.
Bobby Lee
He's done.
Shia LaBeouf
I think Rogan and Mark Marin also paved the way they did of, like, having in this format be something that we can just be like, you know, like Hollywood.
Bobby Lee
Yeah. But we wanted to be goofs. We just wanted to be goofs. We wanted to goof all the time.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
Which is hard to do now. It's not easy to do. It's not. It's not easy to do.
Bobby Lee
Well, I think we. We just don't take our. It's just. This is. This was a fantasy town. I mean, we painted this to look like a child's room.
Andrew Santino
It's so hard to do. You can't actually talk about it without kind of destroying the magic of.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew Santino
You know.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, we don't want it.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, we don't want it. Yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
We keep it. We keep it.
Andrew Santino
Wrong.
Shia LaBeouf
This has been such a blessing, you know?
Andrew Santino
Yeah. For me, too. Too.
Bobby Lee
Well, thank you.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. You. You.
Andrew Santino
I told you.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, you told me.
Bobby Lee
I told him. The bond that was kind of crazy for David, that you may not know, was that Bobby went to rehab when his dad died. And we started this show because of his. Because his dad passed away, and then he got clean again, and we just wanted something to, like, around and go make something. And we started this. And then the pandemic hit. And terrible to say, but it was the greatest thing that ever happened to us.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Because then we could just be free. Free. And we got up a little, so.
Shia LaBeouf
No one was making anything. We were like, you know, we were.
Bobby Lee
In the studio every week and just doing our.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
And we had no rules and. No, there's nothing.
David Mamet
I got tired of being dead.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
David Mamet
I really did.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
David Mamet
I got sick of it, you know.
Bobby Lee
Right.
David Mamet
Covert Head. And the theater died, and I got blacklisted. Nobody wanted to do my plays, and nobody wanted to do my movies over there. I just got tired of being dead. And somebody called up and said, let's do the play. And then we did the play, and he said, let's do the movie. And now I'm not dead anymore. No, we're about to do another movie.
Bobby Lee
Many more movies, it sounds like.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Andrew Santino
What's crazy is that he has that feeling, you know? I mean, it's like.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, it's. Yeah.
Andrew Santino
You know what I mean? Which is comforting to hear.
Bobby Lee
Yeah. But don't we all feel that?
Andrew Santino
Well, that's the thing. You think guys like that don't.
Bobby Lee
No, I know. I think the older I get, the more I learned that everyone has that weird feeling.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Like it's gone, it's over. Yeah, but it's not. He says that. That weekly.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, but that's almost a stick, you know, you're not going nowhere.
Bobby Lee
Thank you.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
God shy. Be here every week.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. No, I'm not dead.
Andrew Santino
I'm not either.
Shia LaBeouf
Did you know Picasso?
David Mamet
Picasso? Yeah.
Bobby Lee
No, you don't. He did. He did die in the. In the 80s, right.
Shia LaBeouf
That's what I'm saying. That he could know Dolly. He could have known.
Andrew Santino
Did you. You ever hang out with Sam Shepard? You guys ever go, hey, you know, man, I like your. Hey, let's. Nothing. Never in passing like, oh, no, we.
David Mamet
All want each other dead, man.
Andrew Santino
Wow.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow.
David Mamet
Worse than actors.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow. Yeah.
Bobby Lee
I don't know.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
David Mamet
Say, okay. The money that you're making with your shit is taking food out of my children's mouths.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
David Mamet
I hope you die.
Andrew Santino
It is sport. It's sport.
Bobby Lee
It is.
Shia LaBeouf
Well, comics used to be like that, but then we realized because of the New York. New York comedy scene, that we banded together, you know, I mean, and we just live within our ecosystem and we help each other by doing each other's podcasts. They all grow. Yeah, right. So we. I think 10 years ago, it was dog eat dog.
Bobby Lee
I mean, what if the difference became we all were fighting for the same slice of pie and the business blinded us to think that there was only one slice for us.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
And then once we kind of cracked this code, we were like, oh, fuck, we can all eat and we can eat different shit. We don't have to eat the same fucking. I don't even like that kind of pie.
David Mamet
That's just like Chicago in the 70s. All these little theater companies. Parties sprang up, right. And we each had our own flavor in it. We each had an audience and we worked with each other.
Bobby Lee
It's exactly what we are now. Literally what we've discovered that we were like, oh, we don't even want to eat that anyway, so we'll make our own. And then we found that we had our own audiences that liked it. And so the gatekeepers, as they were slowly kind of, you know, off, they didn't have power. Well, they had. They had less and less power because we weren't singing for our supper anymore. We were like, we're gonna go cook our own food. I don't. I don't want to do it anymore. And so comedy did used to be that way. It was cutthroat. We hated each other because, you know, back. Back. Carson was the spot. Those guys wanted to slit each other's throat for us Tonight show, doing Letterman, you know what I mean? Getting those, then getting a Comedy Central half hour or maybe getting an HBO special was impossible as a young person. So I think it just cracked. It recently cracked, which is what you guys are doing with the movie. Same thing.
David Mamet
Completely. It's over. I say it's like the Erie Canal. Right. However great the Erie Canal was in 1825, you can't put enough money into it to make the Erie Canal work again. When the railroads come in.
Bobby Lee
Right.
David Mamet
You can't put enough money into Snow fucking White, Right. To make the studio system work again. When the Potter verse exists.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
David Mamet
Nobody. Nobody's watching.
Bobby Lee
Right.
Shia LaBeouf
You know what's watching?
Bobby Lee
What's the last great thing that you've watched that's new.
David Mamet
Last great thing that I watched was new. I liked Casablanca up.
Shia LaBeouf
That was pretty good.
David Mamet
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Here's looking at you, Ken.
Bobby Lee
He just learned about it yesterday. Who do you think. Who do you think is someone that. You don't have to dance this if you don't want to. Who's someone that you were excited to work with that let you down and then vice versa? Who are you? Who, Who, Who?
Shia LaBeouf
He's got to say that name.
Bobby Lee
Well, he might do.
David Mamet
No, I don't think I. My first react. You're talking about actors.
Bobby Lee
Anybody, Anybody in one?
David Mamet
Well, all. All the producers let me down. Every one of them.
Bobby Lee
That's right.
David Mamet
A bunch of.
Bobby Lee
Trash. Hate.
David Mamet
But at least back in the old days of the studio system, you got betrayed by a better class of people. Right, Right.
Bobby Lee
You got politely.
David Mamet
Exactly.
Bobby Lee
So, okay, I'll give you the opposite version of that then. Who's someone that you kind of were not. Were surprised by Or, or, or, yeah, you were happily surprised that you. You worked with them and you thought, I, I, I respect and like them, but you were blown away by their work.
Shia LaBeouf
Work.
Bobby Lee
Well, I Shy sitting right there.
David Mamet
But I've worked. I've worked with the greatest actors over the last 50 years, including shy has never worked with a better actor. Yeah, ever.
Shia LaBeouf
What about Jing Hackman?
David Mamet
Same thing. Never work.
Bobby Lee
Shut up.
Andrew Santino
For real.
Bobby Lee
Shut the up.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
What about peace, you bastard.
Bobby Lee
Shut up.
Shia LaBeouf
How come you never mentioned the Asian lady either? His wife?
Bobby Lee
Yeah. You didn't talk about her.
Shia LaBeouf
It's always she.
David Mamet
What about. Wait a second.
Bobby Lee
Surname? He went on a big grand.
David Mamet
So I never work with a better actor than Gene.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, yeah.
David Mamet
So Gene introduced. The first time I met him. He introduces me to his wife. Betsy was a concert violinist, an Asian woman. And he says, this is my wife, Betsy. I met her in a massage parlor.
Shia LaBeouf
I would have laugh so hard.
Bobby Lee
Well, that's why she killed him recently. That was that. That joke lasted long enough.
Shia LaBeouf
Like, how did you give Al Pacino notes? Did you give him notes?
David Mamet
I never give anybody notes.
Shia LaBeouf
All right.
David Mamet
Never give you a note.
Andrew Santino
No, not notes.
David Mamet
No, no. Here's the thing. You work with great actors. If you know what you're doing, what you get on opening night in the theater is the cast and the script. That's it.
Shia LaBeouf
All right?
David Mamet
The direction, the staging through. Nobody fucking cares. So when you work with actors who know what they're doing, you say, okay, like, how do we rehearse the movie? Except for blocking, we. I've never rehearsed a movie.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow.
David Mamet
Wow, right? You work and say, you know what you're doing? You got any questions? Then let's play the stupid fucking scene. Right? That's all that there is.
Bobby Lee
Did you ever have a big fight with Pacino?
David Mamet
A big. No, no. I had a big fight with De Niro though.
Bobby Lee
What happened?
Shia LaBeouf
What happened?
David Mamet
Well, it was just over the phone, he was doing the Untouchables, right? And I wrote the Untouchables. And he calls me up, he says, I got some questions about the script. I said, whoa, whoa, hold on. Aren't you supposed to ask the director about the question? And. The director. No, no, the director, Brian De Palma should talk to you. He should talk to me. I said, you have questions about the script? I said, yeah. I said, did you read the script before you took the part? He says, yeah. I said, why? The script got worse because they're paying you 2 million bucks for a week's work slam. So we didn't talk for years and years and years. And then I ran into him. So he was very. I did like. He did like four or five movies that I wrote, De Niro. And he Said, you know, blah, blah, blah. He said, you know what? I called you one. You called me one. I have the greatest respect for you. I said, bob, I have the greatest respect for you. So we go to have him do a reading of some film. I think it was the Edge, that was originally eventually played with Sean Connery. No, Alec Baldwin. It was Anthony Hopkins. Hopkins and Alec Baldwin. Yeah. So one of the great secrets about when anybody asks you to do a reading is they're never going to do the movie, Right? Never.
Bobby Lee
Right.
David Mamet
Because they use the reading unconsciously as a way to get out of doing the movie. And so the movie star, the main guy's going to mumble and everyone's going to audition at the reading. So it's garbage.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Yeah.
David Mamet
So anyway, we do the reading, and I talked to Bob afterward. I said, what do you think? He said, it's good. It's really good, but it's just not for me at this moment. It's just not it. I only have so many of them, and it's gotta be it for me. It's gotta be great for me. Yeah, it's gotta be great. He said, do you? Do you? Is that okay? I said, of course. He said, are you mad at me? I said, of course not. He said, are you sure you're not mad at me? I say, no. He says, good, because I got this piece of shit I'm supposed to shoot on Monday. I wonder if you could take a look at it.
Andrew Santino
But Wag the Dog. They came in for the table.
David Mamet
Reid wagged the dog. Yeah. But I wasn't there.
Andrew Santino
You didn't come in for the table?
David Mamet
Fuck, no.
Andrew Santino
It was just Hoffman and De Niro.
David Mamet
Whoever it was. We did Wag the Dog. Barry Levinson called me up. He said, I got this idea. It's in a book. The President gets in trouble, he's got to go to war. I say, oh, I got it. He's getting in trouble because they caught him in the closet fucking a Girl Scout. He says, yeah, go write it. So I go write it, and two months later, they were shooting it.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow.
Bobby Lee
Two months.
David Mamet
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
That'll never happen again. That kind of.
David Mamet
It was great.
Shia LaBeouf
Do you like the new. I mean, you know, the Bill of Burr. I mean, the Glenn. Glenn. I mean, have you seen it yet with.
David Mamet
Yeah, I think they're great.
Shia LaBeouf
Okay.
Andrew Santino
The reason that will never happen again is because those conversations aren't happening like that.
Bobby Lee
Correct? Yeah, they're gone.
Andrew Santino
You never have elevens and call a guy up and be like, hey, like, two crafts People be able to have that conversation unadulterated without any of the keepers, you know, the minders and.
Shia LaBeouf
God, you're a bright kid.
Andrew Santino
All right, stop it.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, my God. I. You know, when I. Even. Since I've met you back in the day. You're a bright kid.
Andrew Santino
Hey, thanks, folks.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, yeah, he's a great grown man.
Shia LaBeouf
No, but he's.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, he always know me as a kid. I met him as a kid. I met him on a razor scooter.
Shia LaBeouf
He was riding bumblebee.
Bobby Lee
You don't dare refer to me as that.
Shia LaBeouf
No, you're not as bright as Shia. There's no way.
Andrew Santino
I think also because you'll physically. You'll harm him.
Bobby Lee
I do want to.
Andrew Santino
I know that, but it's hug love.
Bobby Lee
It's love. It's. It's. I love him.
Shia LaBeouf
You have rage. Love. It's rage.
Bobby Lee
Okay, be honest. David doesn't know us well enough to know how much do I love you, David?
Shia LaBeouf
Have you been in a fist fight?
Andrew Santino
Yes, he has.
Shia LaBeouf
For sure. Yeah, for sure.
David Mamet
I was. I've been very.
Andrew Santino
He's like a black belt dude.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, Yeah.
David Mamet
I am a black.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, he's a jujitsu black belt.
Shia LaBeouf
Really? Wow.
David Mamet
But I actually got. Yeah. When I was a kid, I got in fights, but the only fight I actually got into, you know, outside of the mat in boxing, as I was walking down Fifth Avenue, these guys were playing three card Monty. And so, as my great friend Ricky J. The great magician said, three card Monty's not a gift game of skill. It's not a game of chance. It's not a game. So the guy says, okay, put your money down. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The red you got ahead, the black you get back. 20 gets you 40. 40 gets you 80. 80 gets you little 80. Where's the red card? Where's the red card? He does this thing, right? And so he says, oops, we'll take. That's not the red card. That's gone. Where's the red card? So I know where the red card is. It's where you're not supposed to look. So I take it and I go over there and I turn the card over. Over. Which you're not supposed to do because they never let you win, Right. In Three Card Monty. Because if you say, I want that card. Oh, he upsets it and you have to start again. So I turned the card over and the guy punched me in the face.
Shia LaBeouf
Really?
David Mamet
Yeah. That hurt on Fifth Avenue? Sure.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, yeah, yeah.
David Mamet
It was Fifth Avenue and right near Right near Rockefeller Center.
Bobby Lee
You swung back.
David Mamet
No, I just. I was in. They disappeared.
Bobby Lee
Ah, right, right. Took your money and ran.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow.
David Mamet
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Did you know Kurosawa?
David Mamet
I didn't know I saw him once. He was at the. The. The premiere of. Ran at. You were at the premiere Ran, yes, in New York.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, my God.
David Mamet
And he was there. He's a beautiful man. Big maze, like six, four, I think he was there.
Bobby Lee
He was that big.
David Mamet
Yeah. It's a big man. Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
He had black feet, too. Something, right, happened where he was in the snow or something?
Bobby Lee
No, he had frostbite.
Shia LaBeouf
Frostbite? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
David Mamet
Well, he got it on deer.
Andrew Santino
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Did you. What's. What's your favorite Kurosawa film? I'm a huge fan. I know. I bring it up a lot. Go yourselves.
Bobby Lee
He does love Kurosawa, I think.
David Mamet
Let me. Let me say four of them, right? There's a certain way.
Shia LaBeouf
Yes.
David Mamet
Stray Dog. Because it's got. Takashi Shimura was the greatest actor who ever lived.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
David Mamet
And then Seven Samurai.
Shia LaBeouf
Yes.
David Mamet
Which is perfect. But then, God forgive me, I think he screwed up the end of Rashomon because he had an extra scene after the movies.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, I. Really?
David Mamet
Yeah. These guys trying to hit. A lot of them were guys going like diapers, trying to hit each other with sticks or swords.
Shia LaBeouf
All right, right, right, right, right. You see High and Low?
David Mamet
Sure.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah. Yeah.
David Mamet
Not only did I see High and Low, I rewrote it. But that I was. Who was it saying? Scorsese came to me and says, you know, high and low. I say, yeah. He says, you want to redo it? I say, yeah. He said, what do you think of the movie? I said, it's a great movie, but they missed the ending. They. They. It has the wrong ending. So I figured up the ending and I wrote it to Scorsese, and Scorsese wrote it back with a bunch of scribbled notes. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. And then a bunch of stuff happened. I think Spike Lee did another version of.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
David Mamet
I don't think it has anything to do with my script.
Shia LaBeouf
Hey, Andreas.
Bobby Lee
Wow. Yes, director.
Shia LaBeouf
This is a director I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Andreas, behold your eyes. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Did you bow to him on the way in? Yeah, you better.
Shia LaBeouf
Whatever he wants. You do whatever he wants. Foot stool. You're the foot stool. Okay.
Bobby Lee
He wants to spit in your mouth. He gets to spit in your mouth.
Shia LaBeouf
He spit your mouth, right?
Bobby Lee
He did.
Shia LaBeouf
Wow. Wow. So can I ask you something?
David Mamet
Yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
Mr. Mehmet, do you enjoy yourself on this podcast.
Bobby Lee
He wants to know.
David Mamet
Yeah, I've had a great time, you guys. I mean, come on, get out of here. Okay, here's one for you, Andreas. I'm a man who enjoys talking to a man who likes to talk. It's Sidney Green street in Casablanca.
Bobby Lee
Way to go up.
Andrew Santino
He's not ready.
Bobby Lee
Hit him again.
Andrew Santino
You're not ready. Not ready.
Bobby Lee
And this is why you are.
Andrew Santino
You're not ready.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, yeah, hit him again. Hit him again with something else. Give him another one, please.
David Mamet
Okay. Fiddle. DD I'll worry about it tomorrow.
Andrew Santino
Who's that?
Bobby Lee
God, this feels so.
Andrew Santino
You're not ready.
Shia LaBeouf
You're not ready at all, dude.
David Mamet
That's that. That I believe the last line of Gone with the Fucking.
Andrew Santino
Come on, dude.
Bobby Lee
Come on.
Shia LaBeouf
The fucking. Fucking thing. Maybe you could be boom operator for that. Thank you. Yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
By the way, he's gonna go home tonight, talk to his wife.
Shia LaBeouf
Oh, he's gonna kill himself.
Bobby Lee
He's gonna kill himself. Yeah, he's in like.
David Mamet
Wait a second.
Bobby Lee
David Mamet. Insult me in front of the truth over and over.
David Mamet
I got 12 million people watching.
Shia LaBeouf
Okay, okay.
David Mamet
Yeah, well, that happened.
Andrew Santino
You're not ready.
Bobby Lee
He wrote it. He wrote it.
Shia LaBeouf
He wrote it.
David Mamet
It's in state and Maine. Alec Baldwin one is in a car with Julia Styles and he's drunk. He turns the car over. The drunk, out of their mind. She's underage, crawls out. He looks at the car about to blow up and he says, well, that happened.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, we. We all know. You know, I mean, I don't know, man. I. I apologize. D. How do you not know that?
Bobby Lee
Just for good measure.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Just for. To sink it in for everybody. Please go see the movie right now. It's. It's available now. Right now.
Shia LaBeouf
We command as a duo.
Bobby Lee
Henry Johnson.
Shia LaBeouf
Watch it right now. You watch it right now, dude.
Bobby Lee
Please go see Henry Johnson. We're gonna put the link in the description down below because it.
Andrew Santino
Thank you.
Bobby Lee
It means a lot. Support our friends and our family. That's kind of the big thing about our fan base. They do like to support our family. We love that.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Continue on and please go watch henry johnson@henryjohnsonmovie.com. we. We really appreciate you guys coming. This means.
Shia LaBeouf
That was so fun, enlightening, and amazing. Yeah. And you, Andreas?
Bobby Lee
No, no, no.
Shia LaBeouf
As well. Enough. Oh, yeah. I love.
Bobby Lee
Had enough.
Shia LaBeouf
I love you. And we'll do your zombie movie.
Bobby Lee
Thank you. Oh, he's got us a zombie movie. He wants us to. What do you think about zombie movies?
David Mamet
I love him.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah. Train to Busan. You ever see that one?
David Mamet
Which one?
Shia LaBeouf
Train to Busan? No, the Korean one.
David Mamet
But I thought it was really interesting that we have all these things about zombies and vampires because it was a. It was about a culture that was dying, right. America, Western culture is not. No longer dying anymore. Anymore. It's like, it's like the Japanese have a term, a matsu or matsuko means pine. Pine tree. But it also means vigorous old age. So that's what I think we're looking at now.
Andrew Santino
And you thought you were looking for a dismount? Yeah, we're digging a new hole, baby.
Bobby Lee
We gotta be honest with you.
Andrew Santino
We're digging a new hole.
Bobby Lee
Rolling. I thought you guys.
David Mamet
You're really gonna have to cut out the line about William Shatner's dick.
Bobby Lee
No, no, but now we need to keep going to make up for it. Old, old, Old. Old Korean. What is it? Old. And what's the pine tree?
David Mamet
Vigorous old.
Bobby Lee
Vigorous old. Vigorous.
David Mamet
Vigorous old age.
Shia LaBeouf
Vigorous old age.
Bobby Lee
Can you say the word one more time in Japanese?
David Mamet
Matsu or matsuko. Matsuko means pine tree and it's also a name.
Bobby Lee
Is that true?
Shia LaBeouf
I'm Korean. You dude.
Bobby Lee
Really?
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah. Oh, David, you know a lot of Koreans or no?
David Mamet
Do I know when a lot of Koreans are. I don't think I know a lot.
Bobby Lee
Of Koreans of the Asians. How do Koreans rank of your Asians?
Andrew Santino
Oh, they're up there.
Bobby Lee
Are they up there? Tip top. Japanese, Chinese, Korean. You like Koreans up there or no?
David Mamet
I like them all.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, yeah.
Shia LaBeouf
He likes all the.
Bobby Lee
We lump them all.
David Mamet
You know what Koreans are? Koreans are tough.
Shia LaBeouf
They are.
Bobby Lee
What.
Andrew Santino
I'll tell you like this. The difference for me is you get off the plane in. In Japan and no music is playing in the corner car. Right, right. And. And maybe they'll ask you if you'd like to listen to your music in the car in Korea you're listening to their music and they don't give a. What you're listening to.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, I like that.
Andrew Santino
And there's something about that.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, I like that.
Bobby Lee
They tell you what, you're in my.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, I like that. Then you know you're in Korea.
Shia LaBeouf
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bobby Lee
Koreans are the.
Shia LaBeouf
We're the best.
Bobby Lee
That's Bob's mom, by the way. That's his mother right behind him. That's his mother. His beautiful mother.
David Mamet
Beautiful.
Bobby Lee
That is her.
Shia LaBeouf
She has cross eyes.
Bobby Lee
She does. She's cross eyed in real life. I'm trying to fix it, guys.
Shia LaBeouf
Thank you. So much. Can somebody. Before you guys go look, this is like a dream of mine. So we have a script for you. For you to.
Bobby Lee
That's gonna be it, guys. Thank you so much. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Give me the. Give me the. Who did this? Is this your.
Andrew Santino
Whose script is.
David Mamet
Oh, wait a sec. Wait a second.
Andrew Santino
This is like a make a wish show.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, yeah, we have. We have enough time. We just want to make sure you guys don't.
Shia LaBeouf
We have all the time in the world.
Bobby Lee
We have nowhere to go.
David Mamet
So, anyway, so my mother, rest in peace, was ill for a long, long time. I mean, there was a woman who was her caregiver, and she saved. She elongated my mother's life by years and loved my mother and Just marvelous. And made a lot of personal sacrifices. And my mom died, and this woman came up to me and I said, I. I don't know how to thank you for your. I mean, it's. I. It's beyond what I. It's godly what you've done. It's beyond generous. If there's anything in the world that I could do for you. Anything ever that I could do for you. And she said, well, my. My nephew wrote a film script. I said, anything but that.
Shia LaBeouf
Can one of you guys are looking at that camera? Go. Thank you for being a bad friend.
Andrew Santino
Yeah, thank you for being a bad friend.
Bobby Lee
Love that, dude. Thank you guys. So good.
Podcast Summary: Bad Friends Episode – "A Penguin, A Nun, and an Ostrich with Shia LaBeouf and David Mamet"
Release Date: June 2, 2025
Produced by 7EQUIS
Hosts: Bobby Lee & Andrew Santino
In this special episode of Bad Friends, hosts Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino welcome acclaimed playwright David Mamet and actor-director Shia LaBeouf. The conversation kicks off with playful banter, immediately setting a humorous and relaxed tone for the episode.
Notable Quote:
Bobby Lee [00:00]: "You two are bad friends."
The hosts delve into their relationships with David and Shia, highlighting mutual respect and camaraderie. They share anecdotes about their interactions and the unique dynamics that come with collaborating with such distinguished guests.
Notable Quotes:
Andrew Santino [00:54]: "You have a beautiful woman with you."
Shia LaBeouf [01:12]: "We're one dwarf."
A significant portion of the podcast focuses on the collaborative project between David Mamet, Shia LaBeouf, and the hosts—the movie "Henry Johnson." They discuss the challenges and triumphs of transitioning from stage to screen, emphasizing the importance of creative independence away from traditional studio constraints.
Notable Quotes:
David Mamet [12:00]: "A lot of movies. Most of the people who make movies never see their movie with a live audience."
Andrew Santino [28:23]: "So then it was like, how do we get Dave a channel? How do you get Dave his own Dave Mamet channel?"
David Mamet shares his insights on the declining power of the traditional studio system and the rise of independent filmmaking. He emphasizes the necessity of talent, compelling ideas, and direct audience engagement in today's digital age.
Notable Quotes:
David Mamet [16:14]: "What does it cost to make a movie? You can make the 500 grand movie for $100 million."
Shia LaBeouf [18:13]: "You're so David. This guy, this guy in the white shirt is a film student cinephile."
The episode takes an intimate turn as Shia LaBeouf and David Mamet share personal stories about overcoming struggles, including addiction and professional setbacks. These narratives provide listeners with profound insights into resilience and the transformative power of supportive relationships.
Notable Quotes:
Shia LaBeouf [25:58]: "Without that, I'd be dead."
David Mamet [24:23]: "You saved my life."
David Mamet offers valuable advice on writing and directing, emphasizing the importance of knowing one's lines and maintaining discipline during rehearsals. The discussion touches upon the complexities of crafting engaging plots and the delicate balance between dialogue and story progression.
Notable Quotes:
David Mamet [39:00]: "It's very hard to write a plot because it's an equation."
Andrew Santino [36:11]: "He doesn't know my lines? I'd say, learn your lines."
The hosts and guests engage in lighthearted humor, creating memorable moments that showcase their chemistry. From playful insults to improvised jokes, these segments add an entertaining flair to the deep conversations.
Notable Quotes:
Shia LaBeouf [40:37]: "A penguin and a nun and an ostrich go into a whorehouse."
Bobby Lee [56:23]: "That's why you are."
As the episode concludes, the group reflects on the significance of creating their own content and supporting each other's endeavors. They express excitement for future collaborations and the ongoing success of their independent projects.
Notable Quotes:
Bobby Lee [51:55]: "We wanted to make our own. And then we found that we had our own audiences that liked it."
David Mamet [51:12]: "I really did. I got tired of being dead."
This episode of Bad Friends offers a captivating blend of humor, personal stories, and industry insights. With the participation of David Mamet and Shia LaBeouf, listeners gain a unique perspective on the evolving landscape of entertainment, the importance of creative independence, and the enduring value of genuine friendships.
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