Episode 5480: Changing America's Election To Stop Fraud; MAGA Objects

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room Episode 5480

Title: Changing America's Election To Stop Fraud; MAGA Objects
Date: June 29, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Main Guests: Cleta Mitchell, Eric Metaxas, Mike Lindell, Legal Analysts, Democratic Commentators, Border Security Experts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Bannon’s War Room dives deeply into the Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision upholding Mississippi’s 2020 law allowing mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day to be counted if received within five days. The conversation centers on perceived threats to election integrity, the implications of the ruling for both sides of the political spectrum, and ongoing legislative efforts such as the SAVE (Save America) Act. The episode also spotlights broader themes of executive power, cultural battles, and a historical reflection on American independence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Supreme Court Decision on Mail-In Ballots

• Ruling Summary:
  • The Supreme Court upheld the Mississippi law (and similar laws in 13 other states plus DC), allowing mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day to be counted if received up to five days after.
  • Justice Amy Coney Barrett wrote for the majority, asserting the statutes “say nothing about ballot receipt and we cannot add to the words Congress chose.”
    • Barrett’s opinion was seen as a rejection of the GOP's stricter interpretation.
• Implications:
  • The decision was framed as protective of military and overseas voters, safeguarding similar grace periods in 17 states.
  • Legal experts and the host predict more difficulty for GOP efforts to limit early/mail-in voting through legal channels.
• Political Reactions:
  • Donald Trump publicly denounced the ruling as enabling "cheating," despite using mail voting himself.
• Legal Community's Take:
  • Some on the right see the opinion as providing grounds for new challenges against early and absentee voting (Cleta Mitchell, [11:51]).

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2. The SAVE (Save America) Act and Congress’s Role

• Importance of the SAVE Act:
  • Mitchell (prominent election lawyer/activist) argues that with eased mail-ballot restrictions, citizenship and photo voter ID requirements are now more vital.
  • The SAVE Act proposes limiting mail-in ballots to the military, disabled, ill, or those away on vacation – “we’ll have honest elections.” ([01:08], [10:16])
• Congressional Hurdles:
  • Only four GOP senators (Collins, Cassidy, Tillis, Murkowski) left to sway; Dems are unanimously opposed.
  • Mitchell pushes for overturning the “KKK Rule” (referring to the filibuster and the Byrd Rule, [26:00]) to allow reconciliation for the bill.
    • “Why are you guys clinging to a Ku Klux Klan, a Klansman’s rule? ... Why don’t we get rid of the KKK rule?” – Cleta Mitchell ([26:44])
• Bannon’s Take:
  • Urges a leadership challenge in the Senate and making the SAVE Act the central fight.
  • Predicts GOP losses if action isn’t taken: “You’re going to lose the House and the Senate if you don’t do this. I’m now convinced.” ([27:08])

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3. The Broader “Election Integrity” Debate

• Poll Watchers and Election Integrity Activism:
  • Concerns raised over recent appointments (e.g., Christina Norton—RNC voter integrity specialist—to acting DNI), interpreted by Democratic commentators as a move to “perpetrate election myths this fall.” ([05:31])
  • The Democratic analyst stresses the need to fight back and prepare for potential attempts to use selective intelligence “to make it look like there has been some form of fraud.” ([04:52])
• Legal and Constitutional Framing:
  • Legal analyst discusses the rise of the “unitary executive theory” and implications for checks and balances, explaining how the court’s embrace of a strong president enables Trump’s ambitions.
    • “More than anything [Trump] wants to be a king, and this court is enabling him.” ([06:40])
• Left vs. Right Judicial Strategies:
  • Mitchell laments conservatives’ lack of judicial activism compared to the left: “We haven’t really done that ... The left challenges everything.” ([12:51])
• Reaction on Broader Constitutional Stakes:
  • Bannon describes events as “the primal scream of a dying regime” and rails against “institutional Marxist takeover.” ([08:37], [14:14])

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4. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Supreme Court Decision:
  • “This is seismic because it’s such a stupid decision ... [Barrett’s] just a typical squish Republican.” – Cleta Mitchell ([10:16])
  • “This is a full institutional Marxist takeover.” – Steve Bannon ([14:14])
• On the Republican Party:
  • “We also got Justice Sam Alito, and he is probably ... He and Clarence Thomas are just beyond fabulous.” – Cleta Mitchell ([11:18])
• On Legal Strategies:
  • “There’s a roadmap in this ... Unfortunately, it requires Congressional action and we see how terrible Congress, the US Senate is.” – Cleta Mitchell ([13:41])
• On Fault Lines in Cultural Institutions:
  • “They’d rather have all this left wing trash ... they won’t order ... these small independent bookstores won’t do it either.” – Steve Bannon, on book suppression ([36:01])
• On Messaging and Political Strategy:
  • “You have to make it too big to rig.” – Eric Metaxas, referring to pushing his book into the mainstream ([36:35])
  • “We need to pick George Washington. Now, I believe God’s hand was in this.” – Eric Metaxas, on the importance of Virginian leadership in the American Revolution ([39:03])

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5. Border Security & Cultural Fears

• Guest argues that “mass deportations” are what the American people want, and criticizes political leaders for “not getting that message.”
• The emphasis is on defending “American culture,” characterizing illegal immigration as a fundamental threat to it, not merely a law enforcement issue. ([32:28])

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6. Reflections on American Tradition & Independence

• Historical Deep Dive:
  • Eric Metaxas offers a lively recounting of the events around the Declaration of Independence and Virginia Constitution’s 250th anniversary, highlighting John Adams’ vital (and under-credited) role in securing the break from Britain. ([38:32])
  • “The truth turns out to be kind of exciting.” – Eric Metaxas ([42:50])
• Book Promotion:
  • Push to drive Metaxas’ “Revolution” to bestseller lists as a counter to left-leaning narratives in mainstream culture.
    • “If you give this [book] to your average person, they’re gonna read it and they’re gonna go, ‘Hey, this is a great story of America. I never knew this stuff.’ You’re not gonna find this stuff in Howard Zinn.” ([37:37])

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Important Timestamps & Reference Segments

• [00:00] Recap of the Supreme Court ruling on Mississippi’s mail-in ballots.
• [01:05]-[01:08] Bannon and Cleta Mitchell discuss the SAVE Act in light of the ruling.
• [10:16] Cleta Mitchell calls the decision “seismic” and “stupid.”
• [14:14] Bannon: “This is a full institutional Marxist takeover.”
• [17:49] Mitchell advocates challenging laws lacking postmark requirements; plans lawsuits.
• [26:44] Mitchell attacks the Senate’s adherence to rules from Robert Byrd; labels it the “KKK Rule.”
• [36:35] Metaxas: "You have to make it too big to rig."
• [38:32] Metaxas discusses the real history behind the Declaration of Independence.
• [45:51] Bannon: “If you buy this book and carry it under your arm, people say that person’s smart. If you read it, you will be smart.”
• [51:04] Choral recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance to close.

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Tone & Language

The tone throughout the episode is combative, urgent, and emotional, reflecting anxiety over the future of American democracy and the direction of the country’s institutions. Speakers frequently use evocative, at times inflammatory, rhetoric (“full institutional Marxist takeover,” “fake opposition party,” “the KKK rule”) to rally their base and frame issues in existential terms for the MAGA audience.

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Conclusion

This episode of Bannon’s War Room functions as both a postmortem on a major Supreme Court election ruling and a rallying cry for conservative legal and political activism. The hosts and guests frame the ruling as a setback but see new avenues to contest early and absentee voting. The SAVE Act is positioned as a last legislative bulwark for "election integrity," while the episode also stresses the need for cultural engagement and historical literacy as means of countering what the hosts perceive as leftist domination of institutions. The discussions are laced with calls to action—legal, political, and cultural—urging listeners to mobilize, litigate, pressure lawmakers, and push alternative histories into the mainstream.

Transcript

[Narrator/Host]

In a 5, 4 decision, the justices upheld a 2020 Mississippi law that says mail in ballots still count if they are postmarked by election Day and arrive within five days. Writing for the majority, Justice Amy Coney Barrett rejected a radical attempt by Republicans to rewrite election law. Quote, the election day statutes say nothing about ballot receipt and we cannot add to the words Congress chose democracy. Docket adds this quote, in addition to protecting similar laws in 13 other states and Washington, D.C. this ruling will make it harder for the GOP to mount a legal assault on early voting, which legal experts said would be likely if the court ruled for the RNC. Quote, it also spares laws in 17 states that specifically provide ballot receipt grace periods for military and overseas voters. In the last hour, Donald Trump reacted to the ruling. Lost his mind is what we'd say if he were anyone but the president by making baseless claims again that mail in voting, which is how he votes, is, quote, cheating.

[Steve Bannon]

What comes next for the SAVE act after today's ruling?

[Cleta Mitchell]

Well, because of the mail in ballot ruling, which was a little bit surprising, gives people more time to vote illegally, let's say. But the SAVE act is even more important. And that's the right. You have to be a citizen of our country. Okay. You have to show you're a citizen of our country, called citizenship. Voter ID by photo, photo voter ID and no mail in ballots unless you're in the military, disabled, you're ill, or you're away even on a vacation. We're being very open about it. It's pretty easy. And we'll have honest elections. But the ruling, which a lot of people were waiting for, that was a ruling that was, I think it was very detrimental to honest elections. But it is what it is. Basically, they're keeping it a little bit the way it is. Now, they may have a little bit of a restriction on, based on the

[Steve Bannon]

word about firing the parliamentarian.

[Cleta Mitchell]

And then you have the very important one, the Slaughter case, which we'll talk about if you ask that question. But the parliamentarian, what were you asking about? Parliamentarian?

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

Have you talked with Thune about.

[Cleta Mitchell]

I have no. I can't imagine where you'd keep a woman that was put there by Harry Reid and Barack Hussein Obama. I cannot understand it. The leader has the right to fire the person at will and put somebody else there. That could be because we get so many negative rulings from her, the parliamentarian. She's been there for years and she was put there by Harry Reid and Barack Hussein Obama. Harry Reid was a bad guy, and he was the leader, and he put her. And the speaker has the right to immediately fire her and put somebody else there. And it's not even believable that she's still there. She's obviously a good politician or something.

[Narrator/Host]

Poll watchers and workers, they, quote, monitored voting process processes, especially in swing states. Some of the volunteers included Jack Posobiek. She was also a former deputy director of the Republican Lawyers association and a veteran of Florida GOP politics. Do you see her in that role as potentially dangerous?

[Democratic Commentator]

Well, when she worked on election integrity, election integrity meant something different than what you and I might mean when we use that term. Right. I think about that as protecting people's ability to register to vote and to have their vote counted. And what she was involved in was something very different. It was the perpetration of the big lie in large part and spreading myths about our election. So I think this is an alarming symbol, but it's important that we're seeing it happen in public. And I would say to my brother Cornell, let's not fall down before we get hit. Because even though they're trying to dilute our votes and take away our votes, and I say this as a Southern Democrat. You know, I vote Democratic in Alabama a lot of the time. I am willing to stand in the long lines. I'm willing to figure out where the new place that I vote is now. I'm willing to, you know, walk the walk in newly created districts in Alabama that are gerrymandered. But I'm mindful that we've been very successful. And when I say we, I don't say that in a partisan sense. I say people who believe in democracy and fair elections. We've been remarkably successful in limiting, for instance, the post Calais damage. Many states have not gerrymandered to the full extent that the court apparently would have acknowledged. And so as we look at what's going on in the office of the dni, and it appears very clear clearly that what's underway here is an effort to use that office to perpetrate election myths this fall. We all know that in 2020, Trump tried to do that at the Justice Department and failed because the acting attorney general, the acting deputy, stood up and refused to let their service be used to perpetrate myths about election fraud. That's probably not going to be the case this year. The guardrails are gone at doj. And now we see an effort and a lot of damage, frankly, could be selectively declassifying intelligence community information in an effort to make it look like there has been some form of fraud in the vote that could be done very deceptively. The important thing is that we're on guard, that there are people who will be prepared for that.

[Legal Analyst]

What is the story for you when it comes to executive power and the future of our democratic institutions, whether it's under Trump or any other president in the future, I think is a full embrace of the unitary executive theory. And if you read the opinion in Slaughter, they're not citing cases. They're citing, you know, things that Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers. These were advocacy papers. These weren't necessarily etched in stone or legal precedent the way Humphrey's executor is. So I think this court, all the way back to John Roberts serving in the Reagan administration, Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch, have all embraced this idea of a unitary executive, a strong federal chief executive. And the danger with that, of course, is that it means that we don't have these checks. We don't have independent agencies that are serving the needs of the public. I don't know that they're in the bag for Donald Trump, per se. I think they've always had this idea of a strong chief executive. In the immunity decision, you may recall in that, Chief Justice Roberts wrote that it was more important than being able to hold a president criminally responsible, that he be free to make decisions in a manner that is bold and fearless. Well, we have that bold and fearless leader now with his muscular approach. But I think that Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson sums it up best in her dissents in some of these cases when she has said this is the exact wrong moment in our nation's history to embrace a unitary executive. We've got Donald Trump in office who more than anything wants to be a king, and this court is enabling him.

[Election Lawyer]

So this was a great victory today for democracy. And I'm proud of the work that my law firm did on behalf of our great clients, that Voices foundation and the alliance, the Mississippi branch of the alliance of Retired Americans. When, when, when Republicans filed this lawsuit, they chose Mississippi for a reason. You know, I've alluded to this before, but I'm going to come out and say am pretty confident they chose to sue Mississippi because where we had tangled in swing states, they had lost. So I think they thought they could go to Mississippi. No one would be paying attention. Probably the Mississippi attorney general, who's a Republican, might, might go easy on them. So we intervened right away and we got into this case in the trial court and we have fought and we have fought and we fought. And you know, today was a good victory. It was five, four, it was close. But the net result is that voters throughout the country in a whole bunch of states will be able to to make sure that the postal service delays and Donald Trump's efforts to make those delays greater will not disenfranchise them from having their ballots counted. And we're talking here about hundreds of thousands of voters. The RNC got into this case and brought this case because as they point out, they believe that the voters who would be disenfranchised franchise would be disproportionately Democrats. So this is a good day for democracy, it's a good day for voting rights, and it is a good day to make sure that, that Republicans are not able to target for disenfranchisement their political opponents.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people's not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it.

[Eric Metaxas]

I know you don't like hearing that.

[Steve Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul,

[Eric Metaxas]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my

[Eric Metaxas]

country, this country will be saved.

[Steve Bannon]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Monday 29th June. Year of alert 2026. Welcome to the late afternoon early evening edition of the War Room. We'll have it up momentarily. The Daily Mail just put up their lead story. MAGA objects to the Notre Dame law Professor Barrett and no, no, we got the big bold one coming right to you right now. And of course talks about Megyn Kelly and the War Room this morning not being exactly aligned with the Notre Dame law professor. Let's go to, we got Cleta Mitchell. Cleta, talk to us about what we saw this morning. How important is this? What type of impact? Where do you put it on the Richter scale?

[Cleta Mitchell]

Well, gosh, I put it this is seismic because it's such a stupid decision. I read someone today saying, you know, this only goes to show why you shouldn't put a law professor on the Supreme Court because she, she writing for the majority, including the chief Justice. I mean, it's just like he just don't even get me started. But she says that there.

[Steve Bannon]

No, I want to get.

[Eric Metaxas]

You know, I want to get you.

[Steve Bannon]

I want. No, no, no. I want to get you started. You're one of those lifelong Republicans, right? You got. This is. But this is payback for your. Your sins of supporting Bush. You got Roberts as a Bush guy and Amy Coney Barrett, you know, thing, which he calls her, it's Megyn Kelly. Says she's a turncoat. I don't think she's a turncoat. Is just a typical squish Republican. It's the reason we're in the shape we're in. They're opposition. They're a fake opposition party controlled opposition, ma'.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Am.

Don't forget, we also got Justice Sam Alito, and he is probably. He and Clarence Thomas are just beyond fabulous.

[Steve Bannon]

I can't hold it. Stop. I can't.

[Mike Lindell]

Whoa.

[Steve Bannon]

I can't believe you said that. We have Sam Alito because they put. Well, they put up Myers. They put up my first. His White House counsel. White House counsel who is totally incompetent. Bush wanted Myers. I mean, you fought it.

[Mike Lindell]

I know that.

[Steve Bannon]

Then we got Alito, but we got Alito.

[Cleta Mitchell]

But, you know, I think that. I don't know. But Amy coming there, right, for the majority. And this is what is shocking, is that there are five justices of the Supreme Court who believe and who wrote in this opinion that there is a difference between casting the ballot, that is when the voters make their choice and when the ballot is received. That makes no sense, frankly. According to their opinion. I actually think that this gives us good grounds to challenge early voting and to say that voting is. There's a lot in that opinion that would suggest that we ought to be challenging early voting. We ought to be challenging unfettered absentee voting. Because they. They also point out, which Mark Elias conveniently forgets to discuss that repeatedly, they referred to the fact that the ballots had to be postmarked on or before election day. Well, California doesn't require a postmark. I think we ought to challenge that. I think that what we have to do on our side is that we have to do what the left has done. And I know that, that when Stephen Miller started America First Legal foundation after, in 2021, the idea was to build a judicial. A judicial attack mob similar to what the left has. And we haven't really done that. I mean, they. There are. We've done a lot better, but these guys. The left challenges everything. And we are getting these terrible decisions from these awful left wing trial court judges all over the country. And then this decision, to me the worst part of this decision is it emboldens these left wing crazy judges that, that are inhabiting our courts all over the country. That's the constitutional crisis we face is all of these judges. But I will tell you that I think that there is, there's a roadmap in this. Unfortunately it requires congressional action and we see how terrible Congress, the US Senate is. So I mean we have a Congress because the judges are not letting the president do his job and they're trying to do Congress's job.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, they're not going to. This is a, this is a full institutional Marxist takeover. I agree with you. I think if you look at this, you look at this decision, there's all types of fertile ground right there to get back into court right away. Particularly with I think they give too broad a definition of exactly what, what is postmark. They kind of leave that kind of open right and or closer election. Anyway, we're going to come right stick around. We got to talk about Save America Act. President's now going to get up to the ramparts because we got our backs to the wall. To be blunt about it, you're here to get the truth with the bark on in the world. Short commercial break Cleta on the other side. Buy gold and put some silver in your pocket. I know what you're thinking. Everything's expensive right now. How am I gonna buy gold? Pull your head out of the sand. One thing you can control right now that doesn't cost you anything out of pocket is diversifying your retirement savings. Birch Gold Group will help you convert an old 401k from a previous employer or an IRA into a physical gold IRA. Let me repeat that. Burchgold will help you now convert an old 401k from a previous employer or an IRA into a physical IRA in gold. You know something that's a hedge against inflation. Listen to this. Right now, Birchgold is going to give you a special America 2501 ounce silver round for every $10,000 you purchase by July 10th. Let me repeat this. With every $10,000 purchase you get a free 1 ounce silver round. America 250 commemoration a special. Think about this. Ten years ago an ounce of gold was about twelve hundred dollars. Today it's around $4,500. Where will it be in ten years from now? Text Bannon B A N N O N 989898 to take advantage of free America 250 silver with qualifying purchase before the 10th of July. Again text my name Bannon. B A N N O n to number 989898. Today, take advantage of this offer with qualifying purchases. You get a silver round, a 1 oz silver round. Check it out. Qualifying purchase. You got to do it before July 10th. Do it today.

[Eric Metaxas]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Cleta Mitchell]

Well, I think that you're 100% right. As I'm reading through this majority opinion, I'm thinking, you know, if the Supreme Court thinks that it has to be postmark, California's law is unconstitutional. If, if they say that the act of voting is supposed to take place on election day and that's separate from receiving the ballot, I think that's crazy. But that means early voting is out the door. So let's get on it. Let's file some cases. Let's. Let's look at some of these states that have. I mean, there's a lot of dicta in here about the history of why Congress said an election day in the first place was because states were holding elections on different days and then the results could be known before election day. So they made one election Day. I mean, it's a really goofy opinion, but there's enough in here that I think we should be start. I'm going to, I'm actually going to convene a group and see if we can get some lawyers and some organizations to file some lawsuits starting, you know, immediately. I think we have to do that. But you know, these things. You're right about the emergency docket. This thing took two years to get here.

[Steve Bannon]

This. But they've. With all the reading, if you read about it, and they go through the whole history of it, they've essentially agreed to election month, or I call it almost election. Two months, election month and a half.

[Eric Metaxas]

Right.

[Steve Bannon]

Four to six weeks early voting. Then like in L. A, they just keep counting till they get a democratic socialist winner. They, you know, they certify four weeks later. So it's over a two month process in some places.

[Eric Metaxas]

Right.

[Steve Bannon]

Didn't they just confirm that that's okay to do?

[Cleta Mitchell]

Well, I don't think so. I think that the. I think the Supreme Court, I think this is a pretty narrow decision, first of all, because they make it clear that there was not a challenge to early voting. There was not a challenge to the post office delivery system. And there was. What they basically did was they took the very poorly written CAVA Uniformed Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting act, which is a federal statute, which is something that Democrats put together under the guise of helping military voters, when really what they wanted to do was to legalize fraud among civilian overseas voters. And so I think that, you know, the model election laws that we put together for the Election Integrity Network, our handbook calls for changes in yokava and in the way states define things. Because you want to talk about a mass of a statute yokava. And that's what the Supreme Court relied on. So Secretary of State Michael Watson from Mississippi, his response was congress needs to do its job better. And I think that's right. But it's very interesting this court said, well, we know that there are concerns about fraud and all, but those are concerns people should take to the legislature, not to the court. And it's probably not the best thing, but that. But it's up to Congress to fix it. Okay, all right, we're aware of that. So now what we have to do is get Congress to fix some things. But we know how hard that is, as we're seeing with the Save America act, because we have no Democrats who vote for any kind of election integrity. I think that's the most amazing thing to me though, Steve, listening to those Democrats and Mark Elias and this, that somehow it is a radical notion of that woman said it was radical on msnbc. It's radical to have to receive the ballots by the close of the polls on election day. What's radical about that? I mean, I think Mississippi only passed this law in 2020 because of COVID Okay, they need to switch their law. And I bet that and I'm pretty sure that the Mississippi legislature will do that. But it also here's the other thing, another big takeaway from this opinion is that this the Supreme Court and maybe they didn't mean to say this, those three left wing women didn't mean to say this but they said and they agreed that most of these laws are in the hands of the states and that would mean that HR1, which was the bill Nancy Pelosi authored that was that would have made federal law on elections. What we see in California would have Californianized all of our elections. The Supreme Court in this opinion today said no, no, no, that's the rule. That's for the states to decide. So that would mean that if the Democrats ever to get control of Congress again and they start to try to do that again, we've got a Supreme Court decision, this decision that says they can't do that. But you're right, we have to have the lawyers on our side and all the legal groups need to get together and we need to pick through this and, and start filing some lawsuits immediately against some of the other things because I don't think it opens wide the door for early voting. I think early voting is suspect under this decision and I think we need to take some of those 45 day early voting states and take those straight to the Supreme Court say okay, you said that this was that the act of voting is what happens on election day. So what about this 45 days? That's not an election day.

[Steve Bannon]

Given you're going to lead a charge in putting together effort of these various groups and lawyers and all the people that you work with. Riddle me this. Save America Act. If the housing thing, they think the housing thing gets approved because the President doesn't deal with it, they're going to lose voters. The only thing the voters want to address and they don't want any games being played. Johnson set this up to the White House. Somebody at the White House conceived the plot that oh we'll just save it and we'll look at it. They'll become law because we need this. What you need is the Save America Act. What is the latest on the Save America Act? I know you've been burning up the phone lines and the war on posse. We put our pencils down for today but we're prepared to light them up tomorrow because now more than ever you need this. And the President saying in truth, social, more than ever we need this.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Well it's absolutely true. Congress has to do its job and Congress has to over overturn the bad things that states and courts are doing. But we're down to four senators. Four senators and all the Democrats, by the way, all the Democrats are a problem here. Let's not forget that there's not. As the reason we're in this mess is because there's not a single Democrat, not John Fetterman, nobody, not a single Democratic senator will vote to allow this bill to be voted on. Not one. And they won't vote for it. 100% Democrat opposition. 100%. So we're down to four Republican senators, and it's up to these four Republican senators to decide that they will. They would agree to overrule the parliamentarian and allow and to say the SAVE Act, Save America act can be attached to reconciliation. That's what it would take. Four senators would have to agree to vote for that. And if Republicans, and if they would do that, then we could pass the Save America act with J.D. vance in the chair, and we could pass the Save America act on a simple majority. That's what it takes. We're down to four senators, Republican senators, plus all of the Democrats who are opposed. So that we need to focus on Bill Cassidy, Tom Tillis, Lisa Murkowski. I'll tell you what we have to do to Lisa Murkowski. In November, there will be on the ballot in Alaska a repeal of ranked choice voting. If that passes, it almost passed two years ago, barely failed, just a few hundred votes, and the proponents for Repeal spent about $100,000 compared to $14 million spent against repeal two years ago. We'll probably see a repeat of that. Lisa Murkowski doesn't have ranked choice voting. If that were to happen, there's no way she gets reelected in two years. So the thing that has to happen is that we got to get, we got to get rid of people like Lisa Murkowski. But in the meanwhile, we have got to get Susan Collins, Bill Cassidy and Thom Tillis to all vote to overturn the parliamentarian and to allow the Save America act to be attached to reconciliation. That's one of the three ways. And to me, it's the easiest way for the Senate, but none of it's easy. These guys make it really hard hiding behind these rules, these ossified rules, and they stick to these rules created by Robert Byrd, the former majority leader, Democrat majority leader for a long time of the U.S. senate, who was a grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. And I keep saying, why are you guys clinging to, to a Ku Klux Klan, a Klansman's rule. I'm not calling it the bird rule anymore. I'm going to call it the KKK rule. Why don't we get rid of the KKK rule? Why don't we get rid of this seeming obedience by these Republican senators 40 years hence to. Because they could get rid of this.

[Steve Bannon]

They could overturn the Parliament. I stand by what I said. You're going to have to have a leadership fight in the Senate and make this central. Make this central. Have a leadership fight first. Best case you replace them. Worst case. Worst case, you bloody him. President's just got to tell somebody, say, hey, you, you're running and just do it that way. You're gonna have to do it. Otherwise it's very simple. You're going to lose the House and the Senate if you don't do this. I'm now convinced. And I was always the number one voice saying we would hang in for. So if the President wants to be impeached, if everybody in the White House wants to be subpoenaed, go for it. Just don't do anything.

[Narrator/Host]

Right?

[Cleta Mitchell]

Right.

[Steve Bannon]

Plato where they go for Election Integrity Network and your social media, where they

[Cleta Mitchell]

go for you for at I watch on X at I watchdogs, that's our election territory Network X account at Cleta Mitchell is where I am on X. And then Election Integrity Network is our website. And we've got a lot of work to do, people. We've got so much work to do. And I know these Democrats are just gleeful because of the Supreme Court ruling and that's what we got from Amy Coney Barrett and John Roberts today. And I'm pretty, I'm pretty upset about it. It's pretty outrageous. But we need to take it and wrap it around their necks and bring some more cases and let and say. But this is what you said over here. We need to make them peel it.

[Narrator/Host]

Need it.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, ma'.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Am.

[Steve Bannon]

Appreciate you.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Eric Metaxas]

War room.

[Steve Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, another huge development today by the way. We're gonna have Wayne Allen route. Hopefully maybe I get Jerome Corsi on tomorrow. They're talking about an emergency executive order. As I said earlier today, I think it has to be predicated upon some disclosed information about foreign interference in elections. I think that's all brewing. Pulte announced Christina Norton from the RNC as his chief of staff as acting dni. Christina is a voter fraud expert, voter integrity expert over the rnc. Kind of ran that group over there. Don't think you could get a better pick if you have to get somebody on the team ASAP to help you go through certain documents. So Christina Norton, that was not a random selection folks. So you see where this is from Solomon's updates that he could tell on the show from what John's doing his updates with Amanda head at 6 o' clock on Rav on his show in the direction of Pulte, particularly the announcing of Christina Norton. Let's say this, Mark Elias and the folks over his democracy docket are in meltdown about this. So that's always a good thing that Christina Norton now working over as chief of staff with the acting Director of National Intelligence. And there'll be more to report from that space later. Okay, we've got a very special event happening at 6 o'. Clock. I've got a short clip from that. Also today's the 250th commemoration of the Constitution of the state of Virginia. I've got that and Eric Metaxas is going to explain that in the upcoming. The events happening this week in the run up to the 250th commemoration of the of the birth of our nation. Let's go ahead and play it. Out of the road. Out of the road now.

[Mike Lindell]

Coward Chicken.

[Border Security Commentator]

Is there a number though? There is a number and it's called all of them.

[Steve Bannon]

These People are savages. They can feel weakness and fear. The head of dhs, the Haitians should now just take out and take time to fill out the form. We've had Politicians like DeWine of Ohio coming in and saying how great they are. They're amazing.

[Border Security Commentator]

And we had Mullen practically trying to get coerce or perhaps give advice to those Haitians to put their paperwork in to become citizens. American taxpayer wants mass deportations. They want deportations of all illegal aliens and those who refuse to assimilate. And they want them now. Why aren't those leaders, why aren't our elected leaders and our bureaucrats there in D.C. not getting that message? You know, we've got that cultural aspect of our society that is under attack. They're going to vote us out. They're going to outbreed us. We need to remove all of these people. I say that the regular run of mill, run of the mill illegal alien is far more of a threat than those criminal aliens. Terrorists and folks with significant criminal histories because our culture's at stake here. But we've got a very small window to go after those hundred million other illegal aliens.

[Legal Analyst]

This is the zone we were allowed to protest.

[Steve Bannon]

If a guy like Newsom or Ossoff or one of these people with even a more radical VP wins in 28. How secure is that border, given those scenarios, sir?

[Border Security Commentator]

Steve, the border is only as secure as the folks that are manning it.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, welcome back. Bavino is going to be at Commander Bavina will be with me at the top of the hour. You do not want to miss that. One of the more important interviews we've ever done for the entire hour on the war room. So, Metaxas, we are number eight this week. How do we drive it back up to number one, sir? Because this is our week, brother. This is our week. And everybody I've gotten this book to and I've sent out dozens as gifts because I think it's that important. They love this book. Even people who don't read a lot are devouring this book because it's so beautifully written and so logical about how you took a very complicated topic and made it accessible to everybody. How do we get it back to number one?

[Eric Metaxas]

Well, it's simple. Everybody listening to us right now has to buy several copies. Probably buy a copy for your local library, buy a copy for your friends that are not on the same page as we are politically. To be quite honest, Steve, what amazes me is when I write books like this, I know mostly it's gonna be Christian conservatives who buy them, but I always write them for the people that are not Christians or conservatives. I say I wanna tell the truth in a way that if you're not on our page, it opens your eyes and you say, you know what? I never heard this before. Why have I never heard this before? Well, it's cuz you read the New York Times and other trashy papers or you listen to cnn. But the point is I wanna get this hands into the, I wanna get this book into the hands of, of your average American. And as you know, and I know we're being censored. My friends are telling me they can't find this book in bookstores. It was number two on the New York Times list last week, was number eight. Amazon has run out of copies, now they're getting copies. But it's kind of crazy that so many people are reading and buying this book but you still can't find it in bookstores. So my mission really is to get the ideas which your audience is familiar with these ideas, to get these ideas in the hands of your average American. If your average American is confronted with this, it'll be a new day.

[Steve Bannon]

We have to force this. We have to force, have to, we have to be a forcing function. Barnes and Noble, the bookstores are barely hanging on, but they won't take a book that'll be a blowout seller because they don't want this part of the, they don't want this idea of the revolution to become part of the permanent American mindscape. They'd rather have all this left wing trash they've got in there. So they won't order. These small independent bookstores won't do it either. They won't even put it in the stacks. We have to make this such a overwhelming bestseller that they're absolutely, because of economic necessity, are forced to.

[Eric Metaxas]

Sir, that's, I mean actually that's exactly what I've been saying. You have to make it too big to rig. I didn't coin that phrase. You have to make it too big to rig. Because if it's consistently up at the top, then the bookstores, they're kind of going to be forced to carry it. And I say to everybody, go into your local bookstore, don't tell them you're a MAGA person, just say, do you have the book Revolution by New York Times bestseller Eric Mata? Do you have the book Revolution? Ask them, ask them, ask them. Because if it's not in the stores, they're censoring this. And again, we know this is how the left Works. They've done this in Hollywood. I remember Michael Medved wrote a book 35 years ago, Hollywood vs. America, that if they wanted to make money in Hollywood, they would make G rated films for families, but they would rather virtue signal for their buddies in the Hollywood elite. So they made gritty, nasty, R rated films. That's the way it's always been with the cultural elites. So you have to make it too big to rig. And again, I say this is a book. If you give this to your average person, they're gonna read it and they're gonna go, hey, this is a great story of America. I never knew this stuff. You're not gonna find this stuff in Howard Zinn. You're not gonna find this stuff on PBS and Ken Burns documentary. But I wrote it in a way that I'm not tipping off my hat that I love President Trump because that's ultimately a side issue. And I probably think that President Trump's endorsement probably made some of these woke bookstore owners say, like, I don't want the book, so don't tell him that the President likes it. Tell him Jimmy Carter loved it. I don't know, tell him something like that. Tell him Larry David absolutely loves this book.

[Steve Bannon]

I don't know if they'll buy that. But hang on, let's. I want to go back in time and put us on this timeline. 250 years ago, I think yesterday didn't Jefferson. Jefferson submitted for editorial review the actual Declaration of Independence. And today, I think, is the 250th anniversary of the Virginia Constitution. Am I correct in that timeline?

[Eric Metaxas]

Yes. And the funny thing is, actually that's a big part of my book is telling the story of how independence actually happened. Thomas Jefferson gets way too much credit. John Adams deserves the credit. John Adams was the genius, the selfless genius who said, we need Virginians to be involved if this is gonna go. So we need to get Richard Henry Lee.

[Steve Bannon]

You can tell my taxes is a Yankee. Okay, keep going, keep going. You're talking to a guy from Virginia, but keep going, keep going.

[Eric Metaxas]

Well, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, hey, George Washington is from Virginia. Richard Henry Lee is from Virginia. But I'm saying that Jefferson basically, John Adams knew politically, he was politically very smart. He said that all of the members of Congress think I'm a hothead. Us from Massachusetts, we're the hotheads. We caused all this trouble. We need to lay low, step back, let the Virginians take the lead on this. So we got Richard Henry Lee to propose independence. That was a Big deal to get a Virginian to do that when we wanna pick somebody for the continent to lead the Continental Army. We could have. They were going to pick John Hancock thought, they're going to pick me. John Adams is like, no, no, no, you're from Massachusetts. We need to pick somebody from Virginia. We're going to pick George Washington. Now, I believe God's hand was in this. But when it comes actually to what happened to lead to independence, John Adams was very canny. So he understood. He basically. It's kind of funny, actually. I tell the story in detail in the book and you've read it, but he was basically thinking, here's what we're going to do.

[Choral Speaker]

We.

[Eric Metaxas]

We're gonna propose independence, but it's gonna be a very anodyne neutral, kind of like nobody can really disagree with it. It's not gonna be a big deal. And we're gonna start with the most anodyne neutral thing of all. We're simply gonna say, listen, things are falling apart. So every One of the 13 colonies needs to establish its own assembly. Because the British, you know, they're not. They don't have our backs anymore. So we need to take care of ourselves. We need to create our own assemblies. And in effect, when he got them to say yes to that, it was game over. Independence had already happened, but John Adams was very, very shrewd. By doing that, he kind of made them take a step forward. And then actually, another funny thing is the Richard Henry Lee proposal for independence. Again, it was very neutral. It wasn't incendiary language. But then somebody said, you know what? Somebody needs to write a kind of a preamble to. To explain what we've just signed here, right? And so they say, john Adams, why don't you do it? He writes a preamble that is five times as long as the actual resolution, and it is ten times more fiery. And it gave a lot of the moderates a heart attack because they realized we'd been bamboozled. So Adams is the man behind revolution. And again, that chapter in my book, I didn't know this. A lot of the stuff in my book, I didn't know Steve. So it's kind of funny when you do the research and you're thinking, hey, wait a minute, Adams is the hero behind this. And of course, July 2, they basically say, we're voting for independence. So that was the day he thought was gonna be the day. But then they said, well, we've gotta approve the Declaration. So they took the next two days and eventually on the fourth, they officially approved it. But independence really comes before that. And what I keep saying is, when we keep raving about the Declaration of Independence, it's a little weird. It's like, that's the birth certificate of independence. So it would be like going to the hospital and they say, well, the mother is in this room, and you go, I don't want to see the mother that gave birth. Show me the man who printed the birth certificate. I want to meet that man. It's a little backwards. So we need to understand independence was something that. It precedes the Declaration. The Declaration didn't sort of invent the idea of independence and everything that's in the Declaration of Independence. These ideas were everywhere long before Thomas Jefferson sat down to put it together.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Do you use.

[Steve Bannon]

I got a minute here. I want to hold you through the break. The book's written almost like a novel. I think the reason people love it, it's all historical fact. And use, obviously, the quotes from history, but you use novelistic techniques to kind of drive the narrative forward.

[Election Lawyer]

The thing.

[Steve Bannon]

You don't like to put it down.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

You don't even like that. You just. It's like, yeah, In Cold Blood. That's a perfect example. How did you. How did you do that?

[Eric Metaxas]

I'm just like Truman Capote now. I find that very funny. So that's why I gotta say stupid things. Basically, it's just my instinct as a writer. I've always been able to tell stories and communicate. And if I'm at a dinner party or whatever, I'll interrupt people like, no, no, no. You missed this piece or you missed. I always wanna put in the really. The entertaining stuff, the weird stuff, the stuff that makes you remember the story. And so people have said that, but it's not like it's something I'm doing consciously. I'm just excited about what I'm researching, and I want to communicate it so that whoever reads it really gets it. And there were a lot of stories like the Boston Tea Party, that every version I read didn't really explain it sufficiently. So I had to do more research until I actually understood it. And then, you know, I wrote it. In a way, I hope that the reader understands what actually happened because, you know, the truth turns out to be kind of exciting.

[Steve Bannon]

Eric, hang on. I want to hold you through the break and tell people how they can get this book. It was number two on the New York Times bestseller list, number eight. This week, we're driving it to number one as a cultural event. Short commercial Break the author, Eric Metaxas. On the other side,

[Eric Metaxas]

War room.

[Steve Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Eric Metaxas. We need to drive this to number one on the New York Times bestseller list. It's an amazing book to read over this period of commemoration and celebration. Where do they go to get it?

[Eric Metaxas]

Well, first of all, it's mandatory beach reading. Steve and I say this half joking as I do everything that folks, we have a duty to this country to know the story. Please take it seriously. Like, this is not for history buffs. This is for every American. And when you say where to get it, I would say Amazon, because Amazon is the driver. And the rank on Amazon, you know, has been consistently solid. Even though this book sold so quickly in the first week going to number two that they ran out of copy. So I think they have copies now, but it doesn't matter. Please order it from Amazon. That's the best price and that's going to drive it. But you have to make it too big to rig. I guess the point is you've been saying it. The ideas in this book have to be put into the mainstream culture. PBS has had a. A headlock on the culture. The leftists have had a headlock on the culture with these bad ideas. Tom Hanks has some insane woke documentary on Netflix about the American founding. We have to get our ideas into the mainstream. Into the mainstream. Not just on these channels where we all already agree, but into the mainstream. The way you do that is by getting at the top of the bestseller list. So they're forced to carry it in the bookstores. So Joe Blow picks it up and says, this looks like a nice book. And guess what? It is a nice book. So that's the idea. And I'm so grateful to you for getting the message out. This is about the country. It's not about a book.

[Steve Bannon]

It's about the country. Eric, look forward. I'll talk to you tonight. Look forward to seeing you tomorrow. Thank you, sir.

[Eric Metaxas]

God bless you. Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

If you buy this book and carry it under your arm, people say that person's smart. If you read it, you will be smart. Just remember that this book is and it reads like a novel, so you have no excuse for not turning pages. Mike Lindell, I'm gonna go out with the Gruber family's new hit, One Nation. As we drive that, it's number one in the Christian list. We wanna drive it in the top 10 of all music in the country. What do you got for us? Talk to me about deals or I'm gonna get you tomorrow about this abomination happening at the court. Cause you're in the middle of it. About this election month. Talk to me about deals. What do you got special for us? It's the 250th anniversary of the country, man. Come on. Mike Lindell, this is.

[Mike Lindell]

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[Steve Bannon]

Sir, we will see you tomorrow in the morning hours at 10:00am Eastern Daylight Time. We'll see you in those two hours. Mike Lindell, the posse always loves kicking off the day with you and your sales. Love you, brother. Get back to fighting.

[Mike Lindell]

Thanks, Steve. Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

We need that man as governor of Minnesota. Okay, we're going to go out with a song. Go to Apple, itunes. Download it. Let's drive this song to number one in the country. It's already number one in Christian. This is one nation. From Eric Gruber and the Gruber family and Pastor Laurie. Let's go and let her up.

[Choral Speaker]

Lord, hear my earnest prayer for these United States. Keep her in your holy protection. Our first president. Pray. Cultivate the hearts of the people to unite in the faith and form a bond of brotherly love to what no man could ever break. Lord, bless the fallen soldiers who have given up their lives to the blood spilled in the the battles and the family left behind. We honor the fallen soldiers who have fought and given all 250 years we're still standing tall One nation under God May we always be the home of the brave and the land of the free for every battle blood was lost Darkness from every come sea to shining sea One nation under God we're united, strong and free.

[Steve Bannon]

I pledge allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag.

[Cleta Mitchell]

To the flag.

[Steve Bannon]

Of the United States of America. Of the United States of America.

[Eric Metaxas]

And to the republic and to the

[Steve Bannon]

republic for which it stands. For which it stands.

[Eric Metaxas]

One nation.

[Steve Bannon]

One nation under God. Under God. Indivisible. Indivisible. With liberty and justice for all with liberty and justice for all.

[Choral Speaker]

One nation under God May we always be the home of the brave and the land of the free for every battle blood was lost.