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Battleground EP 987: Updates From South Carolina To Take Down Lindsey Graham; Manifestation Of Globalism In The EU
Battleground EP 987: Updates From South Carolina To Take Down Lindsey Graham; Manifestation Of Globalism In The EU...
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go
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to share the big lie?
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MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul,
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Band. It's Monday the 13th of April, you overlord. 2026. Ben Harnwell. Ben, you're back in Rome. Thank you for co hosting with this this evening. I appreciate we got a lot to get through, including 60 Minutes, the Pope, Orban, all of it I'm gonna get to in a second. But I want to start with I know you've had an active interest in this, the neocon movement here that's kind of gotten us in this jam in the Middle east led by really, you know, Lindsey Graham, who I think is nothing short of totally revolting and particularly for the folks in South Carolina, how this has been allowed to continue on. Huge development in that race over the weekend. First off, Lindsey's been polling below 50% and you can see it's a problem because they've started getting nasty about some of the competition and the people working for the competition. Lindsey Graham actually had a press conference last week and called a bunch of folks anti Semites, you know, the same parlor tricks that used to work all the time that fall flat or don't work anymore as Lindsey Graham's been out of control. But Paul Danz and Paul joins us now. Paul's the one of the architects of Project 2025 and worked for years in those years in the wilderness with President Trump and the MAGA movement to really as public intellectuals kind of come together and lay out a foundational element, a foundational element of what would be the second Trump terms revolution. And quite frankly, in the first six or nine months it was absolutely instrumental, kind of overwhelmed the system with just great ideas and great thought through policies and had the executive orders, et cetera. Of course La Civita and that crowd denied it when I was in prison in 24. Of course that was a bald faced lie. It was, it was absolutely always part of the underpinnings of what was going to happen. You can see that you don't need to. It's not an opinion, just a fact. You look at what happened and coming out in, in, in the first six or nine months of the administration, it flood the zone. This was the, the policies that did it. Paul, a big announcement on Friday. You had announced, I think you moved to South Carolina a couple years ago. You had, now you run for the Senate, but you announced on Friday that you're suspending your campaign, pulling out of the race, and you're throwing your weight against another one of Lindsey Graham's competitors, Mark Lynch. Walk me through that. And what lessons have you learned from this race? Because I think a lot of people, particularly Warren Posse, are kind of shocked knowing the patriotism and how MAGA the Republicans are in South Carolina, how Lindsey, and he's been so out of control during this Iran war. It's really been, I call it revolting or offensive and dangerous to the country, dangerous to our allies, and particularly dangerous to our men and women in service in harm's way. So what have you learned about in South Carolina? Why did you drop out of the race? And why did you throw your weight in back of Mark Lynch?
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Well, Stephen, Ben, great to be with you. Greetings from Charleston, South Carolina. You know, I came here, I'm a South Carolinian by choice. I got married to a Carolina girl, best in the world, 20 years ago. We've been actually calling South Carolina our home for 10 years now, going on 10 years. But I've been away doing battle in the trenches in the deep state, working in the first Trump administration, being one of his killers, and as you know, then becoming the architect of Project 2025. So I have been journeying to the front now for going on 10 years. And, and look, there's no bigger emblematic person of the swamp than there than in Lindsey Graham. This is a guy for the exact reason I got into politics. He stands for somebody. He left our state 30 years ago, now 32 years in D.C. meanwhile, an advocate for endless foreign war. So I could not sit here and just allow Lindsey Graham to walk into a fifth term. I stood up. I got in this race for the same reason I got out of it and because we have to stop Lindsey Graham. And I pulled my candidacy on Friday was the last day to get off the ballot. I had been endorsed by Tucker Carlson. A lot of the base was coming behind me and they knew my work from Project 2025. But Mark has the resources. This is all about the Money at this stage. And Lindsey is extremely unpopular. This is the sort of thing patriots have to do. Sometimes you gotta let somebody go forward and, and, and kind of bring up the rear echelon. And that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to do everything in my power to get Mark lynch across the finish line and get Lindsey Graham into retirement. This I got in this race to stop World War three, you know, and I feel like, you know, Lindsay's pressing the envelope here. I figured we could beat him by June 9th and this. Stop it.
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Okay, okay, so he's under 50. He's under 50%. If you get this, you go to the primary and he's under 50%, you go to a runoff. But as you've gone around because the campaign didn't have a lot of cash, so you had to do it the old fashioned way. Events oppressing the flesh, meaning people. As you go around in Carolina, I think the resignation is sitting there going, how can this guy, particularly his out of control behavior, has been inebriated a bunch, going on tv. He's been arrogant, he's talked about Saudi Arabia. We have to have an input. We have to have a perpetuity defense deal, you know, would expose us to the Middle east forever with Saudi Arabia so that they, you know, come and help us in this, in this war in the Persian Gulf. The stuff he's saying is, is dangerous, but it also sounds unhinged. What if folks, because people say, hey, look, South Carolina is one of the railheads of the MAGA movement. You don't come any more patriotic, you don't come any more hardcore conservative. So what are, as you go around, press the flesh. What are people saying about this?
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Well, I'm standing up to say no more to this humiliation ritual. I mean, this is one of the great mysteries. And when I travel outside the state, people are like, yeah, but Lindsey Graham, how do you explain that? Look, back up. This is the same guy who put both of Obama's Supreme Court justices on the bench. This is grandesty, the Gang of Eight. You go back, this guy has a murderer's row of awful takes. He's the guy who called President Trump the worst nominee in the history of the Republican Party. He's a guy who said President Trump was unfamiliar fit to be commander in chief later on, was the one who told John McCain to give that Steele dossier to the FBI in the first place. He didn't even vote for President Trump. He voted for that Evan McMuffin deep state character. So this is the worst embodiment. And yeah, the same guy after President Trump rigged and stolen said about the J6 protesters told the Capitol Police they should have shot more of them in the head. So, so how has he held onto power? Basically because no one with courage has stepped forward to challenge him. And it is a money thing. Look, I put my, you know, my fortune, if you will, which is a meager one by comparison. But this is about the land of patriots. This is the. We stand on hollow ground here in South Carolina. Thomas Sumter, Andrew Pickens, the swamp fox, Francis Marion, you start naming them. This is where the revolution happened. And if we, we never would have gotten our freedom. If one patriot was shooting at another, that was what was in front of me to like start tearing down Mr. Lynch. And I said, no, I'm not going to do this. The reason I got in this race is to get rid of Lindsey Graham and Mr. Lynch. He's a patriot. He has a lot of his own personal resources. He's a successful businessman. So, you know, we have a 60 day push here. And this is for everyone, not just the patriots in South Carolina, for the whole war room. This is for everybody. This is the battle. This is Lexington and Concord for America first. This is the battle. And I love President Trump. Look, you know, President Trump endorsed Lindsey Graham, but he knows he's made a lot of miscues on personnel and we've all suffered because of that. But look, he's very, President Trump's very popular down here, but Lindsey is not. He's booed in his own hometown. And this is about standing up to end this humiliation, liberating this Senate sea for the people of South Carolina.
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Stop the humiliation ritual. I love it. Paul Danz social media website. How do people keep up with you, sir?
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Yeah, you can go to our website pauldans.com Sign up there, learn about my next. You know, I'm going to continue to push our platform here. Put it bringing a 21st century agricultural economy to South Carolina, getting to justice for the opioid crisis and really bringing tech back into the middle school shop class and making our next generation ready to live the American dream. Getting the Chinese off the farmland. Go to Dan's 4 Senate on X, give us a follow and find me on the campaign trail. I'll be there appearing when Mark can't. But really all patriots need to put their shoulder to the wheel on this one. I stood up for this. I've just dedicated the last nine months and the big, we just had our fifth baby here. So this is important. I have a stake in the future. Lindsey Graham's a childless warmonger and we have to stop this. And we have every chance to do it. Mark lynch will be your next US Senator if we all make it happen.
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A good Carolina girl with Paul Danz, the fifth Gamecock. Paul Danz, thank you. Thank you for your heroism and standing up here, sir. Look forward to having you back on.
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Thank you.
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Paul Danz, one of the chief architects of Project 2025 that has done so much, particularly in the first year of this. Ben, we got a lot to go through. I want to start with Lindsey Graham in the war. And you've been in England. You're back in Rome. We're going to get to all the stuff with Pope all in a second. But just your general assessment, Orban, Viktor Orban, really a landslide on Sunday. Your thoughts on all of it? How's the war playing out? We now know that the NATO allies have told us categorically, upon further review, they're not going to pitch in at all with our naval blockade. And you've got Orban, who was kind of the last man standing against the EU and particularly kept Hungary from being the Islamification. That's happened so many other places. In fact, I think the Netherlands, I think William of Orange's descendant from the Netherlands is going to be at the White House tonight or even right now for some sort of, you know, presentation. And they've done more than anybody to look the other way as Gert Wilders has tried to stop the Islamification of the Netherlands. Your thoughts on all of it, sir?
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Well, Steve, let me just pick up from Paul. Dan's playing out, withdrawing his nomination. You'll notice what he said there, that really he withdrew his nomination for the same reason that he threw his name into the ring, which is because he wanted to stop Lindsey Graham. And I think that's absolutely magnificent. And that's the heart, the moral heart of the decency which is in the MAGA movement. And you'll, I think you'll agree with me, Steve, that all the true luminaries in this movement are movement guys. They're in it because they believe in the ideals of the movement. And I wish, you know, I think the movement would be stronger and if some of President Trump's endorsements were of that caliber. Sadly, they're not. I think a lot of the people are using his good nature, certainly his name and his reputation to get ahead in politics. And they're not movement guys, Steve. They're in it for themselves. So I just want to add that point. And as you recited the litany of all the things that is most offensive about Lindsey Graham, I don't know if he said it and I missed it, but his, his dismissal of the honored dead, the heroic dead at Iwo Jima with. Was it my memory? Did I just imagine he had a gay. He dismissed them with a flick of his hand as he said, well, you know, we did it before, we can do it again. Zero appreciation whatsoever of the cost. No, that money is unacceptable, I think, to be a precinct captain, let alone a United States senator. Okay, so moving on then. Let's talk about Hungary. There's a relationship between the movement in Hungary and the movement in.
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Hang on. I want to talk about the movement connected Iran, but also Hungary and what's happening right now in Ireland. So go ahead, sir. The floor is yours.
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Okay, so Hungary. Well, I think the latest statistics as they're coming in are that Peter Magyar, the new president of Hungary, the guy who was a disciple of Viktor Orban two years ago, left Fidesh, started, started his new party, now got, I think 138 deputies out of 199 in the Hungarian parliament. That's like 70%. That is a huge number. I'm going to go out here, Steve, and give you an analysis that I haven't seen anywhere, not in the pro or ban or the anti Orban campaign is this, it's not a defeat that he lost this election, not even with it, with the landslide against him that he did. I think it was somewhat inevitable. 16 years straight. Don't forget he served another time, another term back in the 90s. But he's just concluded 16 years straight in office. That is, in electoral terms, gravity defying. And I don't like, and I'm not going to add to the narrative that this defeat is a rejection of the Orban agenda. I don't think it is. I think Peter Magyar quite intelligently, quite cleverly pitched his campaign to be as much like Viktor Orban as possible, apart from a couple of exceptions, important exceptions, notably the relationship with the European Union. And that is because Magyar did not want to scare the horses. He realized how well Viktor Orban had done to cement his values in the Hungarian people and in some sense forget Magyar is of the center right. As I said, he was a disciple of Matilda a couple of years ago. It's very much, I think, a continuation of, in important regards, a continuation of the Orban agenda just under new leadership. And I think that's what the Hungarian people, what I mean to say is after 16 years straight continuous and elected office, you might expect the pendulum to have swung in totally the opposite direction, direction towards the left. And that's not what has happened. So here on the war. I definitely would like to say against the mainstream media's narrative here, that be careful when people are suggesting that this has been catastrophic for Viktor Orban. I think it was almost impossible, frankly, for him to overrun that election. Certain things you can pick up and say, well, you know, there were elements, accusations of corruption and that hadn't been handled well. And I think that's a reasonable criticism to make. But as far as the agenda is concerned, I don't think that was a full throated rejection of it. Not at all, Steve.
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But when you say that his was more of an embrace of the EU's agenda and getting right, I mean, doesn't that cut to the heart? The reason the, the original reason there was this break is that Orban said, hey, look, under no circumstances are I'm letting many in here, I'm not letting these migrants pass through here, I'm not taking guys from the Ukraine that I stand athwart the EU's globalization and homogenization of Europe. We're hungry, we're gonna have Hungarian culture. And so to say that the wink and the nod, you know, and for the voters, he's talking about domestic issues and Orban's too focused on international, he's too close to Trump. And these people on the right, aren't we going to see the manifestation of this wink and the nod come with. Now you're going to see playing ball with Brussels, particularly on immigration, because this is the thing that the whole issue, everything revolves around. And this is why you're seeing a revolt right now in Ireland on the other side of the eu, Sir.
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Well, look, in addition to the litany, you can also add some other points as well. You can add, I mean, I think you mentioned the migration and Ukraine. You can also add to that LGBT and an attempt to straighten out judicial activism amongst the Hungarian magistracy. Yeah, so there are issues there. But I would come back to the point. What Hungarians thought they were electing or what they're going to be given might not necessarily be the same thing. I don't think they are the same thing. I don't think the vote was a rejection of Viktor Orban's 16 years. You know, if we're not talking about the benefit of hindsight, perhaps one might gently suggest that the last term might have been an opportunity for Viktor Orban to anoint a successor, anoint an heir, and step back gracefully, or at least provisionally, to let some fresh faces on flesh blood come in. And then he could have shuffled his succession himself and being a protagonist in that, rather than having that done for him. But I think the facts speak for themselves. In order to put a close to this, 16 years, they needed to get someone from Viktor Orban's movement as the most credible candidate. And I'll underline that because I think it's important. It is also important, as you say, the European Unions ever present shadow in the background, let me put it like that. They've effectively bribed the Hungarian electorate with their own money by releasing now or announced that they're going to release the $35 billion worth of funds that Hungarians, of course, were paying for themselves by their country's disbursement of funds to Brussels. And that had been blocked for purely spiteful reasons, because, as you say, with regards to Ukraine primarily, but also the invasion and also the LGBT agenda, Viktor Orban wasn't playing game. So in order to destabilize the Hungarian government, Brussels then basically, quite illegally, in my view, withheld the handing back of Hungary's own money back to the Hungarian people. And that 35 billion euros is. Is a significant sum. And Hungarians wanted that money back. But, you know, here's the thing. Here's the thing, Steve. Here's the thing. Yeah, here's. Okay, you know, it might have been. If we're playing the. If we now are not analyzing this with the benefit of hindsight, I would suggest it would have been more useful for the administration to have helped Hungary in that fight, rather than just sending over Vice President Vance in the dying days of the Hungarian electoral campaign. I don't really think that Viktor Orban had done very much wrong. As I said, I think it was more of a case of the inability to defeat electoral laws of gravity than anything else. But I do think if we're looking at this critically, the US Administration could have done a lot more over a longer time under President Trump's leadership to give visible and actual support. America is very important country, as we all know, the most powerful. But given military government.
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Yeah. But given this war, what happened over the last couple of months, particularly as a lot of these, you know, momentum. And so much of this is where people define what they want to do in the last couple of months before actual election, it made President Trump and some of the moves. Also, Orban did something I haven't seen Anybody say he had an outright embrace of Netanyahu, not just Israel, but the Netanyahu government? Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Netanyahu's son, and people know we're not fans of Netanyahu or the sons, didn't the son go and campaign with Orban in Hungary?
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Yeah, I believe so. But the European relationship with Israel is quite different. I think the antagonisms are very different in the European context than they are in the American political context. And I think Viktor Orban saw that as a zero cost way of signaling that he's not anti Semitic, which of course is the go to slur to anyone on the far right. And I think I was probably more involved with his mental calculations, his mental, his electoral arithmetic and strategizing because as we all know, a strong. Though I share your concerns on this entirely, I wouldn't have had anyone from the Netanyahu family on the campaign and I wouldn't have tied my country so closely to Israel either. But I do understand why Viktor Orban might have done that because the accusation of being anti Semitic is literally one that has been made constantly in his direction.
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What about as the eu, because they're spiking the football like you can't believe. I mean, it's like it'd be the equivalent for them that Trump would be defeated in the second term. What about Ireland?
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Yeah, I mean, funnily, the protests in Ireland right now to do with the actual primary cause of this is the exorbitant fuel costs that's affecting everyone. It's affecting people at the pump, it's affecting the agricultural industry the farmers have had for the last couple of years. Also because Ireland is a full member of the eu, the farmers have had the full blunt of the European Union's attempts to squash domestic farming industry in order to open the market to south to Latin America. I'll say this, this is a consequence of what is the Europeans bearing the brunt right now of the destabilization in the Strait of Hormuz and the Middle east generally that there's, there's no doubt about that. This is, this is the consequence. It's not like that here in Italy yet because the government's cutting fuel duty, tax duty on petrol. So Italians aren't particularly feeling it at the pump as much as the Irish. But what we're seeing in Ireland, these protests, expect them to grow if the petrol doesn't come back online.
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In fact, we've got Kevin Bossovic is actually there in Ireland and we're going to be doing live reporting as soon as we get Kevin today went out and was meeting many of the contacts we have in Ireland to put this in context. And he's going to be up on the show tomorrow morning on the War room and throughout the week or longer, however long this revolt takes. Can you hang on for one second? We're going to take a short commercial break. Ben and I want to get into the 60 Minutes the 60 Minutes interview last night with three beauties cardinals from the Catholic Church. And also President Trump is into it with Prevost. As you remember, I was the one that said the Prevost was going to be selected as pope before the conclave actually started on Piers Morgan on, on I guess at the time it's on YouTube. It's a big show in Britain of what was going to happen because he was the perfect, he's the perfect solution for the, for the deep state of the Vatican, virulently anti Trump, anti American and but could could seduce all the donors to come and give money. And of course, a lot of the folks who should know better kind of fell into the trap of Prevost and how fantastic it was going to be. That was a rude awakening here over the last month or two. I think a lot of people are now on alert. Anyway. Short commercial break I want to thank our sponsors, particularly Birch Gold end of the Dollar empire. There's a article today in the Wall Street Journal. I'll dress tomorrow. I talked a little bit about with Eric Bolling about the return of the petrodollar. Of course, there's always a flight to safety when you have geopolitical events like what's happening in Iran, in the Gulf of Oman. The Persian Gulf is happening right now. Everybody goes to the dollar for safety. 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Don't let the IRS be the first to act. Take advantage of first mover advantage. You move everyone's focus on how the conflict in the Middle east is raising Oil prices. But there's another grim reality to this contention. Oil isn't the only resource being constrained. About one third of global fertilizer trade happens through this region. And with spring planting season on top of us, American farmers are sounding the alarm with some saying they can't afford to plant their fields. When one piece of the supply chain gets hit this hard, you know what comes next? Higher fruit prices, reduced availability, maybe even panic buying. That's why having an emergency food supply at home makes so much sense. And that's where our friends at my Patriot Supply come in. Right now@preparedwithbannon.com that is preparewithbannon.com we've set up an entire just site for the war room posse. You go to preparewithbannon.com that's all one word. Preparewithbannon.com you get a three month emergency food supply. Don't include a free mega protein Upgrade, an incredible $200 bonus you don't want to miss. It's a simple way to protect your family from whatever comes next. Go to preparewithbannon.com that is preparewithbannon.com to get your emergency food supply today. That's preparewithband.com do it today. Go check it out. I do think one of the dark horses, and I think unfortunately he's one of the most progressive is Cardinal Prevost. I don't think he's getting enough play. He is certainly on the short list as being and I, I think it's pretty shocking given how the contempt they hold the American church. The American church gives so much money, they're afraid it has too much power. So they've never really wanted to have an American Pope. But my understanding is Prevost is one of the ones closest to Francis ideologically. He's also had tremendous experience in Latin America and so he's one of the ones on the short list. I'm a big believer that Cardinal Seurat from Africa would be a, would be a perfect, would be a perfect selection right now for this moment in the church. But I will tell everybody this is a, this is anybody's game right now between parallel and one of the traditionalists. You have no earthy idea how this is going to turn out. That's why I think this time, this run up is so important. It's kind of, it's interesting that it's ironic. It's going to take place, it's going to kick off, I think on the, either the day of or the day before the 80th anniversary of a Victory in Europe. So it's very symbolic of what's coming together here in the first part. So Prevost and the reason, Ben, you and I talked about it, that we had signal fingered. Prevost. They need the American church and particularly the American donors to keep writing big checks. That was the end of Francis day. That got to be an issue. They needed to mollify them by saying, hey, we got an American. He's a Chicago White Sox fan. Which he's actually, I believe, even more radical than Francis. But he was groomed by Francis and these guys, and they knew exactly what they were getting. And it's now come out. And particularly because he wore the right vestments. I mean, it was pretty shocking to me to see particularly many of our colleagues and allies on the trad Catholic right kind of fall into the, oh, this guy's going to be terrific because he's wearing the right vestments. Right. He's keeping his hands in the right positions, which is. That's just all performative. Ben Harwell.
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Yeah. I mean, it couldn't really be more superficial than that. Well, no, the war room nailed this. Very proud to have been part of the coverage and the analysis on the election of NotMyPope VII. And you said, and not just Piers Morgan, but right across in a whole number of interviews was going to be Robert Prevost. So he is now, as you say, stepping up into the vacuum because there isn't really credible Democrat opposition to President Trump. He's stepping into that vacuum with all the moral authority that he has as a superficial, superficially, at least, as a religious man. And it's interesting because you can see how he's growing into this role, winning the press plaudits, as he does that. We have a, I think a poll from the 60 Minutes interview, Steve, if you want to just hear that and then we can talk about that. It's very important and consequential.
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Yeah, let's play. Let's. Can we go and play that?
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War is back in vogue.
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He started in January with a speech criticizing US Military action in Venezuela. After that, the Vatican's ambassador in the US was called to the Pentagon for a meeting which two church officials described to 60 Minutes as unpleasant and contentious. Since our visit, the Pope's tone has sharpened. This past week, he issued a rare condemnation of President Trump's threat to destroy Iranian civilization. The Pope called it, quote, truly unexpected. He also took the unusual step of issuing a call to action. Contact the authorities, political leaders, congressmen, to ask them, tell them to work for peace and to reject war always. The Holy Father usually avoids calling out President Trump by name or any member of his administration.
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But in a Palm Sunday homily, he
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appeared to reference the religious language Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who is Christian but not Catholic, often uses to frame the war.
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Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.
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Pope Leo warned that Jesus, quote, does
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not listen to the prayers of those who wage war.
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BEN Harnwell, Observations the first thing I
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would say on this is to pick up something you just said in your your opening question on this. Robert Prevost, by birth is American, born in Chicago, there's no doubt about that. But I do push back when I hear people saying, or at least I question the degree you can consider Pope Leo as being an American pope. His formation is entirely in Latin America, Peru, if I'm not, if I, if I don't remember incorrectly. And just look at what he's doing, Steve, on the Fourth of July, when your nation celebrates its 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, he's going to Lampedusa, which is the small island off the southwest peninsula coast of the peninsula of Italy, which has been overrun here in Italy. It is the emblem, the totem of all that is wrong with the invasion and successive Italian governments, their inability to deal with that. Pope Francis went there on his first visit as pope and now Pope Leo's going there as well, and that's where he's going on the 4th of July. I don't, I repeat, I doubt, I push back when people suggest he's the first American pope because there's literally nothing in anything that he ever thinks or said, says that only American would ever say, nothing at all. And now he's pushing back on the administration, descending into politics. And this brings us, Steve, on to the Trump social post of President Trump, because this is now direct, basically head of state versus head of state.
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Hang on the social media. President Trump has come out against thing which President Trump earlier today did pull down the meme, the one with Jesus, because I guess it got too controversial. So let's focus on the one that he went he put up a true social that he has not taken down. In fact, I think he's doubled down with some other comments about directly taking on the pope. What did it say?
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BEN Hornwell yeah, he calls president, he calls the president, calls the pope weak, says he has weak policies to crime via the immigration. And he's absolutely correct on that. I wouldn't really have had that much to say about that, by the way, but you mention it because it's dominating social media over the last 12 or so hours. The meme where it is attributed to President Trump that he's imitating himself to our Lord and Savior. If you look at that meme now, you can say whether it was prudent or advised or not. There's literally no Christian iconography in that image whatsoever. None. Nothing in that image that likens President Trump to anything, recognizably to our Lord and Savior. But I let that pass. I know I, I say that because what I found most, most distasteful, more than the meme itself, were so called maga social influence. Social so so called social influences lining up to criticize President Trump over that issue, which I, which I wouldn't have done, even though I say I wouldn't have put the posted image in the first place.
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And he did eventually take it down, took it down in the early, I guess, right afternoon today. But let's go back to the confrontation between. Because people are so aghast by it. When I was running Breitbart, remember, Francis came to, I think right outside of El Paso, Texas on the Mexican side and had a mass there and had an event and the entire event was political. It was all to shift, to turn out Democrat votes against President Trump. At the time, Francis was one of the biggest, one of the biggest voices about, you know, mass migrant invasions. And he went after President Trump for even have the modicum of, we gotta build a wall. We gotta protect the sovereignty of our own country. This is rolled through to Prevost, because Prevost is. This is a guy that was identified by Francis very early on. And you're 100% correct, he was born in Chicago and he wears a Chicago White Sox ball cap. Doesn't mean he's American. I mean, he's born in America, so he's a US Citizen. But his formation took place in the most radical part of the Catholic Church at the time, which is this liberation theology in Latin America, of which the Pope, although he did try to tone down when he was down there, some of the more radical elements of it, is virulently anti American and essentially anti West. That's why Prevost, Prevost was selected specifically for this. We called it at the time before the conclave that this was going to happen. We talked about it all the time, because he's the perfect guy to go up against President Trump eventually, which we know he's done. And this is just the top of the first inning on this because the president's gonna give as good as he gets on this one. Ben.
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Well, I hope so. Yeah. He was picked, as you're saying, to get the money from, I don't want to say gullible American donors, but to get the money in from the gullible American donors, Catholics. No, it's true. It's true. That was point one on the objective. And that was facilitated, again, as you were saying in your introduction, by the craven prostration of Trad Inc. Saying, yeah, this is, this is our guy. Look, he wears the, the Mozetta. This is that guy. Look how he holds his hands. This is clearly, clearly the, the second coming of Pope Pius X. And that's it. So it's, it's tradinc, no, Tradinc, A little bit of investment, showing a little bit of ankle on the, on the vestment score, getting the money in from pious but perhaps not necessarily well informed Catholic benefactors and businessmen because the Catholic Church, the Vatican, is illiquid and thanks in part to Pope Francis's repeated beatings on American philanthropists, that they blocked the money. That was a bit, that's a, that's the big non story that nobody ever talks about publicly. And then in that position, he uses that position as being the successor to St Peter and one would have hoped, the primary defenser of Christendom, of Christian civilization, of the Kingdom of God, not to promote any of those things, but to promote secular, godless globalism in the, in opposition to those Catholics that still want to, to be Catholic. And ironically, into that vacuum has stepped forward President Trump, who is now the, the, the, the biggest defender of Christendom. Even as someone, I don't think he ever claims to be a particularly strong believer or, or even a believer at all, but he's definitely, if it weren't for President Trump in the White House right now, you could see what the Vatican and the UN and the EU are capable of doing. He's the only figure, for all his faults, he's the only figure capable of stopping those three institutions. And I think he's actually doing that.
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Your Wednesday show and Friday show become hits in and of their own because of one, your piercing intellect. But also you get great guests and you take on amazing topics. I am going to, if I can do it, I want to hold the 60 Minutes piece because I want to make sure that the audience gets a full benefit of this. In particular the 60 minute interview with the cardinals who once again, because of the way The Catholic Church has been run and managed and theology has come through the pews. Now with trad Catholics, you're starting to see it fill back up, particularly with these younger generations. And it's been amazing to absolutely see. And they're coming more to the traditional rendering of the faith and the churches that are more conservative or Latin Mass, whereas the traditional, the corporate Catholic Church is so progressive and so open. You don't know if you're going to a Protestant ceremony or just you're there for a hootenanny, right. And they're dropping. They have no vocations. They have all these foreign priests. You know, there's still the scourge of all this issue with the issue about pedophilia. Right. And of course, the economic consequences of that. The church has had a. You say it's illiquid. They've had to monetize so many of these magnificent assets they've had that were built on the shoulders of the little parishioners, you know, given, you know, $5 a week or a dollar a week in their collection plate and being part of the church to help build it. Now you have this progressive church. And I said about Cardinal Dolan when I was in the White House, I think I just love the White House. They're all for open borders and they're for mass migration, because if they didn't have the Hispanic community, and the Hispanic community's faith is strong and it's really magnificent, but they didn't have the illegal alien invasion here in the country, they wouldn't have churches that were full. It's part of their business model. This is why Catholic Charities, you know, how many times on this show were we down the border with Ben Berkwam and Oscar Blue Ramirez talking about Catholic Charities and Lutheran Charities, And I think it was a. A Jewish group or two down there that were part of these NGOs that were actually an integral part of the invasion of assisting and exacerbating the invasion of the country. And then we got these cardinals. So I want to do that tomorrow, if we can, if you're available for the 6 o' clock hour to actually go through and break down. Because this is the institutional Catholic Church. These are the people that actually have control of the process. They have control of the institution, they have control of the money. Right. And the control of it. And this is what people are dealing with. But I want you to comment, if you can, for a couple of minutes before we go. The great disappointment you and I had because it was so obvious on the face of it. And if you're fighting for your church, if you're fighting for your faith and you're fighting for your country, you can't just be suckered in that easy. It was so obvious why Prevost was pretty. This is why I brought him up in all these interviews beforehand. It was obvious what they were looking for. An acolyte of Francis formed with the radical liberation theology of Latin America and these radical Jesuits, which is really this kind of Marxist interpretation of the Gospels, which is totally incorrect because Marxism at its core is atheistic. That was infiltration to the church and to put kind of a happy face on an American accent. Oh, he's got a Chicago White Sox ballcap. Isn't he great to basically sucker in the big donors of the Catholic Church, the American donors who want some blessing on their marriage or want some, you know, to wear a big hat with a feather in it at these. To be a night of Malta or whatever they do in these organizations. Right. So it was obvious. And yet Tradinc, who should know better and has to know better, all fell in line. I would sit there and go, what am I missing here? What are these guys glazing Prevost when he's going to be worse than Francis because he is the Manchurian Candidate. We got a couple minutes, Ben. I will toss the ball to you, sir.
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Well, firstly to go back, thank you for your kind words about our Wednesday show. It is very watchable, folks, but it's not due to me. It is due to the quality of the guests and their insights of which I will name, give special honor in dispatches to Frank walker from canon 212. Because basically it was canon 212 and the war room back in the day that were the only voices within TRADDUM trying to say, look, that's not really the trad Inc narrative. Isn't the correct one here. Give us a listen because we have a. We have some things to say on this and I think within the fullness of time, one year, one we have absolutely been found to be right on the money on that. And this is the mission of the show that we do on Wednesday, Steve. And it comes back to this. It's the thing that we say again and again and again. It's the reason why we do the show is because fundamentally we want to be the platform for the Catholic faithful in taking the running of their church out of the hands of these godless Marxist pro invasion atheists that are running our beautiful church, our beloved church, into the ground and we want to set the bark of Peter back on a true course and that's why we do this show. We want to be the platform for doing that. You see a lot of people talking about the laity having a greater voice in the winning of the Church. Most of it is being pushed by the liberals and liberal factions amongst the bishops because they want to use that veneer of the laity in order to undermine the Catholic faith. There is no voice outside of the war room that is arguing for a greater the total running of the church in the hands of the faithful. It goes against some of Tradinck's more medieval formations of yes, my lord to the bishop, kiss the hand. Whatever you say, my lord. That's the reason why the church has been running to the ground. You saw in the the clip on cbs I hand back on this point because I know time is coming to the end of the show, but you saw the CBS clip on the 60 Minutes of exactly this this, this issue in the Catholic Church of how the bishops are there trying to talk about the best way forward. The best way forward is with with us, the believing laity, the believing faithful. It's it's these people who've run the church into the ground. STEVE
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Ben Harwell, where do people go to get your BDI analysis on all things and to make sure that part of your Wednesday and Friday show, Wednesday you take on Christianity and Catholicism, what's going on there as it informs politics throughout the world and the church. And then on Friday you have this amazing international where do people go?
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BEN well, my serpentine unblinking, cynical, beady eyes, you can find the fruit of that analysis on my get to feed at Harnwell. It's the only social media platform that I'm particularly present on at Harnwell. It's my surname, Steve get at Harnwell and I have all my gratuitous provocations waiting for your perusal at the top of the feed. Thanks, Steve. God bless. Catch you tomorrow.
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