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Episode 4083: The Fear Of The MAGA Revolt; Breaking Then Restoring Faith In The Institution
Episode 4083: The Fear Of The MAGA Revolt; Breaking Then Restoring Faith In The Institution...
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- [00:00]
Rachel Maddow
In terms of what to watch for next, I think we need to be watching for something that they call autocratic Breakthrough. Autocratic breakthrough is when the party in power uses the power they do have in government to make sure they can never be dislodged from government. I'll give you a concrete example you've already seen in the House of Representatives. Now that Mike Johnson is back in as Republican House speaker, they changed the rules in the House to make it much harder to remove him as Speaker. Right. So that's them digging in, planning to stay for the long run. Now we're here, you're not going to be able to get us out. You've seen Trump, quote, joking, end quote, about expecting to stay in office for a third term once this second term is up. And that's of course against the Constitution. But he keeps repeatedly bringing up, bringing it up, that that's his expectation. Trump adviser, his one time campaign manager, Steve Bannon, saying things in public about how they're going to be ruling for 50 years. There won't be any way to dislodge them from power. Autocratic breakthrough is when they use the powers they've achieved through winning elections to cement themselves in power so they can't be removed by future elections or by other Democratic means. So we are, we are watching the efforts to consolidate power. We are watching for signs of autocratic breakthrough trying to entrench themselves in power so they can't be removed. This is just the way these things go. This is how strong men rule. These are the things that they are trying.
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Steve Bannon
Both the classified documents case and the election interference case being dismissed by special counsel Jack Smith after years of building that case. What's your reaction to that news?
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Claire McCaskill
Well, it's sad, you know, haven't all of us gone from depressed to sad to angry and back again over the last several weeks? This is kind of the whipped cream and cherry on top. But as Vaughn said in your earlier segment, people voted here and they were fully aware of what Donald Trump had done and the serious allegations against him. And the American people decided to dismiss that. And with that comes the dismissal of this case. I don't think anybody should be surprised. Obviously, I don't think Jack Smith had much choice considering what the realities are on the ground.
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Matt Boyle
I think number one, the justice system was not, was not equipped to handle a defendant like Trump. I mean, he just had extraordinary resources just by virtue of who he is. You know, he had a big legal team by the end. He had multiple criminal defense attorneys, he had appellate experts who argued before the Supreme Court. He had entire teams like, this is not the way that, you know, the justice system is set up. It's not set up to basically have entire, like large scale teams who can basically litigate their way through the courts. And you've got to remember, you know, I hear a lot about, you know, Merrick Garland could have started earlier, like, maybe. But then there is also the case that during the criminal investigations, you know, Trump repeatedly litigated every executive privilege fight he could along the way. And part of the problem with these cases, they were so big and there were so many witnesses and there were so many people in the White House, you know, that had information to give to the special counsel's office that by the time you ended up litigating all, all the executive privilege, already a year and a half into these investigations. So I think there was a combination of factors. But I also think, you know, the way that the justice system is currently set up and structured in this country was just fundamentally not equipped to deal with someone like Donald Trump.
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Steve Bannon
Claire, you've been through these Senate confirmations, you've been through these hearings. There's an assumption when a choice sits down in front of you, you may not like them, you may not want to vote for them, you may disagree with their views or their qualifications. But there's an assumption at least they've been through a basic FBI background check. We've already seen what's happened to someone like Matt Gates, what's happened to someone like Pete Hegseth. We'll see what his fate ends up being. But they're just doing their own background checks inside the transition team and putting people up on screens for Donald Trump to look at and then making choices based on that. What are the implications of them just being thrown out there?
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Claire McCaskill
Well, there's going to be a lot of Senate staffers that are going to be abandoning projects they've been working on and trying to do a much deeper dive into potential nominees that are coming before the Senate. But I think really what's going on here is, especially when he pulled Gates is a recognition that there are some Republican senators that are not going to lay down on really outrageous nominees that have to be confirmed. So what Trump is going to do is he's going to try to put in people that are really offensive into non confirmable positions. And as was just outlined, he's going to ignore the necessity for checking into their backgrounds. And that's when journalists are going to have to kick in. And you know, Willie, we have some amazing Journalists at MSNBC and NBC that are out there every day trying to find the truth of what's going on. There's a lot of networks that have good journalists that are working seriously to uncover the facts. I would tell everybody to pay attention to journalism over the next four years. Don't abandon it. Don't decide, I'm going to turn everything off, but rather support those outlets where you see good investigative reporting going on. And there's a number of not for profits out there that do great work. ProPublica is a great example. They've done some amazing investigative work. The Guardian has done some good investigative work. So support those institutions that have people that are actually digging for the facts, because that, that's how the American people are going to know about some of these outrageous people that are going to populate the Trump administration.
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Darren Beatty
War room.
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Steve Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. It's Tuesday the 26th of November, the year of our Lord 2024. You're, you're here this morning at the home of the autocratic breakthrough, Aunt Claire McCaskill. Ani Claire in her total meltdown. By the way, I want to play that clip of the meltdown. If my great staff can pull that, I've got. I noticed. Aunt Claire said at the end. She didn't. She mentioned the Guardian, which we love. She mentioned ProPublica is not too shabby. You know, she didn't mention Jim Vanderhey's rant the other day, Axios. I thought, you know, they're giving me Charlie Awards for journalism. She failed to mention Breitbart, Citizens Free Press, the Gateway pundit revolver. Darren Beattie is going to join us here shortly. Raheem Kassam's National Pulse. I can go on and on and on. Of all the great, amazing, amazing sites on, let's call it the right wing in the ecosystem of media that drives the narrative today. I'm honored to have Matt Boyle, national political editor for Breitbart, and I think the greatest reporter of his generation. Matt, thanks for joining us. I could play that cold open, folks. I hope your head's blown up because I could play that cold open multiple times today, brother. Give me your thoughts and observations about what you just heard.
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Hugo Lowell
Yeah, well, first off, I heard that Rachel Maddow got a pay cut over there at MSNBC. I think she got $5 million pay cut. I hereby volunteer. If MSNBC actually wants to fix the network, I will do the job that Rachel Maddow has failed to do for her entire career.
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Steve Bannon
No, hold it, hold it. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang, hang on, Matt. She made, I think, 30 million a year for one day a week. She's only there one day a week now. Now she's the brains operation. That 5 million, I think, would be the payroll of Breitbart for a decade. I mean, she's taking a 5 million cut down to 20 or 25 million dollars for one night a week. Come on, Rachel, you're supposed to be a populist. Your thoughts, brother?
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Hugo Lowell
Yeah, no, I'll do the job at half price. Let's put it that way. MSNBC, you hire me for 12 and a half million, and I will do it, and I will do better than Rachel ever did. Right. So, no, like, these people are totally ridiculous. And then Claire McCaskill there. Claire McCaskill was one of the most corrupt US senators in history. I spent years investigating her here at Breitbart. In fact, the deals that she and her husband had with nursing homes in Missouri were some of the most corrupt stuff. The only reason she got away with it and got reelected in 2012 was the Republicans nominated Todd Akin, who made the biggest mistake in political history when he was out there talking about abortion. But the point is that. And then it took six years of fleshing that story out for now, Senator Hawley, to defeat her in a landslide in 2018. Do you want to talk about journalism? Let's talk about what we uncovered with her. Right. And by the way, do you think that the businesses have ended with her and her husband in the nursing homes in Missouri? No, of course they're still doing it, but now she's an MSNBC character. These people are. People are so high on their own supply. It's unbelievable. The media is in a total crisis as an industry, and this could be fixed extremely easily. Right, like, this is not that we're not even saying they need to, like, go out there and, like, you know, push conservatism or something or whatever. We're just all they have to do is tell the truth, right? Like, and be honest and open with their audiences. And if they do that and their reporting is accurate, then guess what? They're going to fix themselves.
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Steve Bannon
But hang on, hang on. I don't know if they're fixable because they're so in the mind. But I want to go back to Rachel Maddow because the reason she gets paid 25 million bucks a year is she's the brains of the operation on the media side. I want to go back to Autocratic Breakthrough. So everybody take out your number two pencil. We're going to have more nomenclature. Autocratic Breakthrough. Now, she didn't complain, she's not complaining about FDR and the 1932 realignment, which they locked in in 36, locked in more than 40. And they governed essentially for 50 until Reagan came. Essentially, even Nixon didn't matter. They really, they reigned until Reagan and then Newt Gingrich in the 80s and 90s. That was the realignment to the Democratic Party that really put the Republican Party of the Civil War and post Civil War to bed. Matt, we've worked on this project now together, I don't know, for 10 or 15 years, about a populist nationalist movement that had African American participation from the working class, that had Hispanic participation from the working class, that went beyond race and went beyond gender and ethnicity and religion and really focus on economics and the people that made this country and really drive this country get a fair share in it. Why is she so and we believe, Matt, as you know, because we worked on this, that we will govern for 50 years using democratic processes. Why is the left so maniacally focused on that? We're autocrats. We just want they put democracy on the ballot and we blow them out. What don't they get about this? And this is a massive political realignment, sir?
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Hugo Lowell
Well, I think the smart ones actually do see what we're doing, right? Like, so I think the Rachel Maddows of the world, they get it and they're scared because they know they're about to lose and be irrelevant forever. Right? Like, and the fact is, is that we are succeeding in this fight and it's because we're willing to challenge the Republicans, too. They aren't willing to challenge the Democrats, okay? Like, that's the point. They can't challenge Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barack Obama and Valerie Jarrett and Rahm Emanuel and all these People, if they wanted to have a real populist revolution on their side, they could, but they're unwilling to do so. And because they're unwilling to do so, they're ceding the ground to us.
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Steve Bannon
You're saying because Fetterman and Rokuhana and Sherrod Brown, people like that are economic nationalists and populists, but they are actually a very small part and a very small voice in the Democratic Party.
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Hugo Lowell
Yeah, but they're not, they're not stepping up and challenging the authority of their party. It's nonsense. Right? Like, so they say these things. They say, oh, where we stand for the workers. But then when it comes to actually voting, right. Like, look at Sherrod Brown's voting record. He voted 100% of the time with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
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Steve Bannon
Right.
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Hugo Lowell
Like, look at Fetterman is the only interesting one kind of on the Democrat side in that I think that, you know, I don't know if there's enough other people that would join him, but, like, ro Khanna votes 100% of the time with Democrat leadership in their party.
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Steve Bannon
Right.
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Hugo Lowell
Like, so at a certain point, I mean, look, we had really hard fights on the Republican side where we went up against John Boehner and Eric Cantor and Paul ryan and Mitch McConnell. I mean, look, we drove McConnell out, right? Like, it took us 15 years to do it, but we did it right. Like now.
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Steve Bannon
And he's still not totally out. He's still got Jonathan. Short break yeah, Matt. Matt Boyle. Mad Boyle's got breaking news over at Breitbart, where you have Darren Beatty's gonna join us. We're gonna go to North Carolina. Rachel Maddow nailed it last night. How did President Trump win? And we lost everywhere else. What is going on in the Tar Heel state? Absolutely essential to the MAGA movement? Short commercial break burchgold birchgold.com go check it out and find out from Philip Patrick and team why gold has been a hedge against times of financial turbulence for 5000 years of man's recorded history. Short break big victory on the 5th of November. Now the work can finally start on the big issues facing the country. One of the biggest is the national debt and the deficits that drive it. Hey, you think the country's broke? The country is broke. We're just printing money to keep this house of cards going. The strategy remains the same for you. 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Make sure Birchgold, besides going to the website, you can if you have your phone, text Bannon at 989-898 and you can get the everything you need to know about your 401k and your IRA if you want to roll them over tax free or I guess tax deferred maybe is a better term for that. But talk to Philip Patrick. Team, we give you access to the best. Make sure you take advantage of the access. Steve Hayes and Jonah Goldberg with Andrew years ago, over a decade ago, Bull remember this when Tucker Carlson ran Daily Caller and Steve Hayes was, I think Steve was at, had just gone to the Weekly Standard. He was at Fox. He was a buddy of Andrew's. Tucker was a buddy of Andrew's. Jonah Goldberg, Jonah Goldberg's mom was one of the founders of this. She's the one that broke the story about Clinton and the intern. Everybody was kind of working together. Now in the Trump years, that's kind of split. Steve and Jonah set up the Dispatch, which is I think a fantastic site. I go there a lot. It's kind of the home, the bastion of never Trumpers. But you gotta understand it. They wrote Michael Warren, Mike Warren over there. It's a terrific reporter, has written a story, an interview by me about the war we've got with the establishment right now about the rearguard action they're doing through Jon Thune to get rid of gates and to fight Trump's appointments. Matt, before I get to your story, Matt's got big breaking news out of the White House on Biden, something that people are going to get a little Biden is sketchy and mad Bogos and how sketchy they are. But Matt, I want to bring back this final topic is that what the Democrats haven't had and they've deferred for years and years and years is a civil war inside. And this happens in political parties. You're seeing over in England right now with the Reform Party and the Tories, and you got to. You gotta search for your way forward. We've been at war with the establishment, Matt, for, I don't know, 12, 14 years, right? Kind of from the Tea Party days. We've had that civil war. And guess what? Trump's populist nationalism has won. Now. We haven't won everywhere because there's still a huge reactionary part of the donor class and the Republican establishment in the institutions and a lot of the media. Fox News is the bashing of the neoliberal, neocon kind of system that runs the country, that runs the American empire. But we've given as good as we've gotten, and that's why President Trump has been ascendant with his message. I posit that the Democrats haven't had that, Matt. I mean, you know the Democrats very, very well. You know, a lot of guys over there, they actually haven't had the bloodletting that you have to have in a political party. They've kind of let the credential class. And this is why MSNBC has actually been a detriment to the Democratic Party and to what they're trying to accomplish, because they basically played pattycake with the credential class and promoted them and they forgot the populist roots. Remember my family, I started as a Democrat. My family are a bunch of Union Democrats, you know, Kennedy Democrats. So, Matt, what do they have to do to actually. And I think MSNBC is worse for them than Fox is. As bad as Fox is for the Republicans, MSNBC is worse for the Democrats. Matt Boyle, your thoughts?
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Hugo Lowell
Yeah, No, I agree 100%, Steve. I'll tell you this. I have a lot of Democrat friends. I was just with a couple of them a couple weeks ago. I will tell you, they want to meet you. They specifically asked me this. They want to meet you and learn how we did this, right, like on the Republican side, so that they can do it, because they know that their future is very dark and doesn't. It's not bright for them. They might be able to get slim majorities here and there in the House or Senate in future elections, but they don't have, like, a clear, visionary path forward. And I'll tell you, I've met Democrat activists who like to talk to you to figure out what happened on the Republican side so that maybe they can learn from it and maybe we'll set that up at some point. Right. Like where we can go teach them.
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Steve Bannon
How to do it. By the way, I think it would.
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Hugo Lowell
Be good for the country if they go through the same thing that we did. And it'll take them a long time, it'll take them a decade or so at least. But if they go through the same thing we did and then they actually get reformed and start representing the working class folks again and go back to their roots and the Republicans do the same, you know, keep going down the right path, you know. Yeah, there's still more work to do on the Republican side. You know, imagine if we had a space race or an arms race between the two parties to see who could best represent the American worker. Right. Like that would be the best interest of the working class folks in this country. So, I mean, I think we should encourage it. But, but again, when you have the establishment media and Democrats, you know, like MSNBC and CNN and whatnot, just protecting them, they're never going to do it. They're never going to change their ways. They're never going to go through.
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Steve Bannon
I think we have. I would propose something else because I think that there's. The establishment figures are never going to be with us. They're never going to be populist nationalists. They are globalists, they're elitist globalists, I think we're going to lose part of that. I think we have a higher probability. And look, it's 100% not agreeable. You got Tulsi, you got Kennedy, you got other people coming up like that. And I realize we're not. Everybody's not signing off on everybody's belief. I'm not saying that. But you see a new 1932 coalition coming together. I think we have a higher probability of getting Ro Kahana with his economic patriotism, which is really just Peter Navarro's economic nationalism, and Fetterman to align with us somehow then, because their party's not their leaders, the credentialed part of their party is not going to give up power. Just like the stat. You know this. The donors in the Republican Party are not just going to sit there and say, this is terrific. Trump's guys, the unwashed masses that Trump has brought to the Republican Party for these victories, let's toss the keys to them. They're not the Jon Thune, the Gates situation and others coming through in this confirmation hearings because Chris Christie said it the other night and Chris Christie was very perceptive on this week that Jonathan Karl had on Sunday. He says, hey, the Republican stamps are going to get one. They're going to get one. They're going to between Kennedy, Tulsi and Hegseth, you're going to get one. Focus on that and you get Gaetz out, you'll get one more out and the Republican establishment should focus on that. And you see that happening right now. So I think tell your buddies I'd love to meet with them, but I think we got a higher probability of picking them off to our side. Talk about this, the scoop that you've got in the Biden situation. Biden, the guys in the White House between the war in Ukraine, what they're the games they're playing at treasury on the balance sheet and what they're doing on the southern border, they're fighting Trump every inch of the way to make sure when Trump relieves the watch on at noon on 20 January, this thing is totally screwed up. You've actually got even more reporting of what of the rats leaving the ship and what they're doing on the way out the door, sir. Yeah.
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Hugo Lowell
So the gist here is that back during the Obama administration we saw them fund the federal government to the tune of close to a billion dollars of loan guarantees and cash grants and so on and so forth. A solar energy plant in Nevada, it's called Crescent Dunes. And this plant has had major issues. It went offline for a year because of technological issues. It went into bankruptcy and then it reopened under new ownership and only produces a percentage of what the energy that it was supposed to produce. The issue here is that one of the related firm that got screwed out of tens of millions of dollars or so they say, filed what's called a Keetam lawsuit. A Keetam lawsuit is where a private entity sues the other places to recoup losses that the taxpayers got on behalf of the federal government and at no cost to the taxpayers. And the Justice Department had greenlit this about halfway through the Biden administration. And then all of a sudden on election night, they pulled the carpet out from under it. And at 5:20pm Eastern time on election night, a Justice Department lawyer emails the plaintiffs for this key TAM lawsuit saying that they were going to move to dismiss it. A complete shocking reversal which amounts to an to cover up what is essentially a theft of hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars in the cash grants that were granted to back during the Obama administration. So the Biden and Justice Department on election night is doing this. And I don't think they're so much concerned about this plant. And what may come out about this one, they're more concerned about the broader green energy agenda because just a couple months ago the Biden Interior Department announced massive expansion in dozens of western states. Millions of federal land, acres of plans for future solar energy projects like this one. So the green energy agenda is on display here and they were letting it go forward when they thought they were controlling government and it wouldn't lead to problems for them. But they undercut the effort as soon as they see Trump coming in because they're afraid that their future projects are at risk.
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Steve Bannon
Are they trying to bail out? Is this like Obama and the green and Gore and these guys? Are they trying to bail out their venture capital buddies? Or is this something they're trying to lay in policy and energy that by that Trump can't reverse? What is it? What is it?
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Hugo Lowell
More, it's similar to Solyndra in that there's an obsession from the radical left with this solar and, and wind energy and these so called renewables for which the technology is just not there yet.
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Steve Bannon
Right.
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Hugo Lowell
Like we know the technology doesn't to the point where it does with regard to fossil fuels. And so what they're trying to do is they are, they're aggressively pushing that agenda and frankly, they will do anything they can and to throw as much money at that as they possibly can. And so, yeah, they're making lots of money on it and there's lots of different people that are bilking the taxpayers basically out of it. But at the same time, it's the obsession with the radical left energy vision. But the key thing here is that they literally are covering this up on election night, right? Like so literally, as they find out Kamala Harris has lost the election. Like they knew at 520pm Eastern that they lost the election because they have the exit polls and the exit polls showed she was going to lose. So they know she lost the election. And then what's their first move? Protect the green energy. Right. Like because they know that they're going to have to ride out Trump, you know, in his second term. Their hope is they get the White house back in 2028 and then they just start up the green energy nonsense. Right again right after that.
- [27:47]
Steve Bannon
Ryder, Ride or die. Matt, where do people go to get your writing? So about 30 seconds, just go to.
- [27:54]
Hugo Lowell
Breitbart.Com I'm also on X Twitter @mboyle1 and on True Social@RealMap Oil.
- [28:02]
Steve Bannon
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Matt Boyle
Not, was not equipped to handle a defendant like Trump. I mean, he just had extraordinary resources just by virtue of who he is. You know, he had a big legal team by the end. He had multiple criminal defense attorneys. He had appellate experts who argued before the Supreme Court. He had entire teams. Like, this is not the way that, you know, the justice system is set up. It's not set up to basically have entire, like large scale teams who, who, who can basically litigate their way through the courts. And you've got to remember, you know, I hear a lot about, you know, Merrick Garland could have started earlier, like, maybe. But then there is also the case that during the criminal investigations, you know, Trump repeatedly litigated every executive privilege fight.
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Steve Bannon
He could right there. Hugo Lowell is one of the smartest reporters out there. He's with the Guardian. That is one of the most important statements that we've said. The justice system, quote, unquote, is not set up for a defendant like Trump. As Mike Cernovich says all the time, it's not about whether you're getting. It's when the state rolls on you, you're done. This is why we have 1000 J6 folks in prison. This is why Tina Peters is rotten in prison. This is why they send. They can crush you and they will crush. Not about justice. They weren't set up for Trump because Trump could fight back. Trump had the resources and the savvy, and Boris Epstein and others that could architect it, and he was relentless. You want an autocratic breakthrough? Rachel Maddow, suck on this. We're going to dismantle that quote, unquote, justice system. That's the justice system Stalin had in the 1930s. That's the justice system that the Nazis put in place. That is not a justice system for a free people. You want an autocratic breakthrough? We're going to burn down main justice and put these people in prison because they're criminals. Hugo Low right there just told you, Beatty, this is the beating heart of this. Unless we take this, not just defeating them and President Trump defeating them, they must be professionally eradicated, sir.
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Darren Beatty
Well, I completely agree. And look, I've been on this show many times to maintain that, in my view and in the view of many others, for, you know, a lot of justification, Department of Justice is the key item. The Department of Justice is the first, most important precondition to cleaning out the swamp entirely. And it's something that, unlike our corrupted intelligence agencies, cuts closer to the core of our self conception as Americans, because we think of ourselves as a nation governed by the rule of law. And when that very concept is perverted, corrupted, weaponized, the fashion that it has been through Biden, but really going back to Obama, that's when we start to think of ourselves again with sad justification as a banana republic. And so I think a lot of these terminology, like retribution, all of these kinds of things, that's very valid, and there is a very valid sense of indignation. But in a broader sense, what this is, it's not simply about retribution. What it is about setting the conditions to restore legitimacy within our institutions. If we have people who think of their institutions, rightly, as corrupt and criminal, we cannot be a successful country into the end of the century. If we want to look in the long term and set our country a right. Part of that process is restoring legitimacy and faith in our institutions, including justice. And in order to do that, you have to air out the crimes and you have to punish the criminals.
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Steve Bannon
You and I are locked, welded at the hip on this, that there's going to be a lot of people, particularly establishment, and this is the reason the country's in the shape it is, because the Republican establishment wanted plenty of elections, but wouldn't cut to the heart of the problem. There are going to be a lot of people in President Trump's ears saying, hey, you won. Let's just have a unity moment. Let's have A group hug, let's sing Kumbaya. Let bygones be bygones. That is exactly what we don't need to do. Would you agree with that, Darren?
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Darren Beatty
I would agree with that. And again, it's one of these things. It's not really a process of anger. I mean, I think the general public is very angry and they're entirely right to be so. But, but the mechanism here, the purpose is not to assuage our emotional indignation. The purpose is a necessary step toward restoring faith and legitimacy and functionality into our institutions. It's not if it turns out we don't go after some of the most egregious criminals here, that's not a gesture of mercy, that's not a gesture of being nice. That in itself would be an offense against these institutions because in order for them to be established, reestablished as legitimate, there has to be at least some degree of accountability for the most egregious offenders. Otherwise everyone's going to think of these institutions as not only a joke, which they have become, but a corruption, malicious, pernicious, poisonous joke of the sort that we typically see in the third World.
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Steve Bannon
Let's play the. I want to play the Rachel Maddow. I want to play the. For Darren, the autocratic breakthrough. So Darren Beatty can, can chew on.
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Rachel Maddow
This honestly in terms of what to watch for next. I think we need to be watching for something that they call autocratic breakthrough. Autocratic breakthrough is when the party in power uses the power they do have in government to make sure they can never be dislodged from government. I'll give you a concrete example you've already seen in the House of Representatives. Now that Mike Johnson is back in as Republican House speaker, they changed the rules in the House to make it much harder to remove him as Speaker. Right. So that's them digging in, planning to stay for the long run. Now we're here, you're not going to be able to get us out. You've seen Trump, quote, joking, end quote, about expecting to stay in office for a third term once this second term is up, and that's of course against the Constitution. But he keeps repeatedly bringing up, bringing it up, that that's his expectation. Trump adviser, his one time campaign manager, Steve Bannon, saying things in public about how they're going to be ruling for 50 years, there won't be any way to dislodge them from power. Autocratic breakthrough is when they use the powers they've achieved through winning elections to cement themselves in power so they can't be removed by future elections or by other democratic means. So we are. We are watching the efforts to consolidate power. We are watching for signs of autocratic breakthrough, trying to entrench themselves in power so they can't be removed. This is just the way these things go. This is how strong men rule. These are the things that they are trying.
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Steve Bannon
Okay, they had a realignment in 1932 around FDR that they tried to lock in by packing the courts in the mid-1930s that were shut down, but they realigned with political power. Darren, this is just what we're doing. This populist, nationalist America first movement is we're winning votes and winning elections. That's the realignment. Why does she go back to saying, look for an autocratic breakthrough, sir?
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Darren Beatty
Well, a number of things on that. First, just to get a sense of how utterly detached from reality Mike Johnson is their example of autocratic breakthrough. Mike Johnson, that's your autocrat. Rachel. It's ludicrous. It's just the dumbest thing I ever heard. I didn't realize it would be that dumb before you played it for me. But some other context there, the term breakthrough itself, this is borrowed from the terminology of color revolutions, from that whole world, in fact, the preferred euphemism, at least as of, like, a year ago, for color revolution, because, remember, we started talking about it, and one of their organizations did a very detailed mapping of the trajectory of the color revolution narrative, beginning with Revolver News and War Room and all the way into the broader media sphere and the broader national conversation. Election Integrity Partnership did this. It was one of the groups funded by all of these censorship organizations and NGO censorship groups. They did a detailed study precisely, of the evolution of this narrative, and it's been lectured upon in universities and such, which is kind of interesting. But part of the vernacular jargon of this world is to refer to color revolutions as democratic breakthroughs and things going in the opposite direction is Democrat backsliding. So this is an evolution of that terminology from that world and from that orientation. Well, let's attach authoritarian breakthrough to what people wanting to win elections. I mean, it's even more ridiculous because here we have the popular vote, and nobody really disputes that. I mean, that's. I think, why the left is so fundamentally demoralized is they can't hang it up. Like in 2016, they could say, oh, it was just a few people. Oh, maybe the Russians paid a pittance for ads somewhere on Facebook that compared to the, you know, the rest of the media were trivial. But we can the victory was marginal enough that we can attribute it to some kind of outside nefarious force. There's no excuse here. Resounding victory in the popular vote, resounding victory in the electoral vote. We got, you know, both houses. And so what are they going to do with that? I mean, this is a kind of cheap and poor excuse. And they say, oh, the purpose of authoritarian breakthrough is to remain in government. Well, if you do it through the electoral process, I don't see what the objection to that. But there's another layer to this which is that the Democrats and the left and whatever you want to call them, the globalists, the deep state is, whatever they do have permanent government and they have it by virtue of being entrenched within the bureaucracies. So they have achieved the very thing that they're saying we should achieve. And absolutely we have every interest if we're smart enough and focused enough. Focus is really important, by the way. We can lose this whole thing if we don't have focus and we're just kind of dilly dallying here and there. You have to be very focused and precise, I think, to have any kind of like indefinite sustainable consolidated gains from this that don't just disappear into thin air after a year or two or even after the four years of the term. But we have every interest, of course, in reforming the bureaucracies with our own people. I mean, it's critical because you look at the Senate confirmation process, if you don't have Senate confirmed, there's so much like the default is the bureaucracy. And so we're seeing this blockage. Whereas in the Democrats side, if they don't get a confirmation, the default from there, which by the way, they usually get because the Republican senators are more inclined to vote for Merrick Garland than they are for somebody like Matt Gaetz, which tells you a lot about them. But in the rare occasion that the Republican Senate won't approve a Democrat, someone that the Democrat president wants, it'll just default into the bureaucracy and they get what they want anyway. So there's just such a profound home court advantage in government to the Democrats having the bureaucracies themselves as one of their key client classes. So you want to call that an authoritarian breakthrough. That's just them playing the game, the long game. They played it well and we're playing catch up. But we absolutely should focus on that and address that in this narrow space of action that we have. And it's a very narrow space.
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Steve Bannon
Darren Revolvers at the cutting edge of this fight against the administrative and deep state. Where do people go to get you social media? Where do they go to the site?
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Darren Beatty
Revolver News. We're on everything developing and also more significantly, the main things that will remain significant for years to come. The cutting edge Revolver News. Revolver News. I'm on Xaranj Beatty. Check it out.
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Steve Bannon
Darren Beatty. Revolver is the tip of the tip of the spear. Thank you so much for carving time out on this week to come on. Really appreciate you.
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Darren Beatty
Absolutely. My pleasure.
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Steve Bannon
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Rachel Maddow
This year, Trump won the presidential race, but Republicans lost almost everything else in the state heading into this election. North Carolina Republicans held a supermajority in that state legislature, but in this election they lost that super majority Democrat. Democrats made enough inroads in that state legislature this year in this election that Republicans in North Carolina no longer have a supermajority that allows them to override the veto, for example, from the governor. Republicans took this laws of dentistry bill. They gutted it. They took out all the dentist stuff. They then decided they would call it their hurricane relief bill. You remember all the horrible storms in western North Carolina right before the election. They said it would be their hurricane relief bill. But what the bill actually does is it changes the state government in North Carolina. So all the state government positions that are about to be held by Democrats will have their power stripped away from them. The governor of North Carolina, for example, will no longer be allowed to appoint judges as he sees fit. Under this new bill, he will literally be required in certain circumstances to appoint judges that have been approved explicitly by the state Republican Party. The state Republican Party has to approve the Democratic governor's judicial picks. The attorney general under this bill will not be allowed to oppose anything that is done by the Republicans in the state legislature, even if the attorney general thinks it's against the laws of the state. Power over the administration of elections in North Carolina would inexplicably, under this bill, it would inexplicably be moved wholesale into the office of the state auditor. The state auditor being in charge of elections. Why would Republicans change North Carolina state law so the state auditor is suddenly the person in charge of elections. Oh, oh. Because state auditor is the one race that Republicans won this year in North Carolina.
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Steve Bannon
Okay. Michelle Morrow joins us. We've had Michelle on before. She ran a heroic race to be the education secretary and head of education in North Carolina. Michelle, first off, people can't. There's kind of some confusion here because North Carolina is such an important swing state. President Trump won, and it was close, but it wasn't that close. And then. And we understand the governor candidate had some issues, and Mark's a good man, but there are some issues there. The rest of you guys were. I mean, not just competitive. You put forward a team and the rest of the down ticket. That was amazing. How did. What's happening there? Because people are saying, hey, with the vote counted, did the western part of the state count? How did we lose everything except for Trump, essentially?
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Michelle Morrow
Well, you know, it's a great question that you ask, and thank you so much for having me on, because this makes us question how President Trump could have won North Carolina with the largest margin of his three victories, and we did not get the entire Council of State. I will say there is an issue with the establishment. There's an issue within the party. As I traveled the state of North Carolina, there is divisiveness. And I'll just put this forward. The person that I beat in my historic victory that you during the primary was a Republican, and now she is on the transition team for Josh Stein, our Democratic governor. So that tells you a little bit, because during the primary, there were over 30 elected officials who were endorsing her and who were coming against me. And so we do have an issue here, and it is within the party. And it's time for us to make this party in North Carolina. And I think across the entire country, it's time for us to be the gathering of patriots rather than the Grand Old Party. It's time for us to get onto the track of what President Trump has won on. And that is making America great again. That is going back to constitutional issues, that is focusing on education and a strong border and economic prosperity here in North Carolina and around this country. And so I say this, I think this is. I'm excited because I think this is a great day in America. We have an incredible opportunity. President Trump is about to take back the reins, and he is going to give power back to the people. And it is up to us, the patriotic Americans, to fight for him and for this agenda. And that's what I intend to do. They dumped $8 million into a smear campaign against me. And has that ever happened? Have you ever heard of a, of a superintendent's race being in the national news? Anderson Cooper, Rachel Maddow, everyone else? No. But it's because when you speak truth to power, when you uncover what their intentions are, and their intentions are to destroy our children and to lie to them and to indoctrinate them so that even the next four years of greatness and coming back to constitutional values, that if we don't train up our children to know the truth about history, the truth about civics, the truth about biology, and the truth of our role as citizens in the greatest country in the history of the world, then we will not have that 50 years of prosperity that you spoke of, but we can have it. And I think that what the General assembly has just done, they have. We need to remember. Josh Stein is a very dangerous person. He has an agenda. And as the attorney General, he used our taxpayer money here in North Carolina to fight against a voter ID bill that the majority of North Carolina voters voted for back in 2012. We fought for 12 years to get voter ID after we wanted it to be a constitutional amendment. That is who he is. He has used our money to fight against the legislature. So I think it is brilliant that the supermajority in North Carolina before they leave for Christmas, they are taking back the reins of the judiciary. And why would we not want our elections to be under the auditor? Has anybody understand what the meaning of an audit is? When we talk about auditing elections? Don't we want to have election integrity in North Carolina and throughout the country? It's brilliant because we've already seen Josh Stein and he is fought against election integrity. So why would they sit back and allow him to be the one to name the people on the board of elections for the state of North Carolina? They are being responsible. They are being responsive to the people of North Carolina. And we have. We also what they did is, which is amazing is they took away school.
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Steve Bannon
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm gonna hold you through the break. This is too important to rush through. Michelle morrow. They put $8 million in a superintendent education race. Why? They understand she's a rising star in maga. We're gonna take a short commercial break. Johnny Khan of Breitbart takes us out with American Heart. Michelle talked about a gathering of patriots, not a grand old party. Patriot Mobile is part of that gathering. Glenn's story, the team. Go to patriotmobile.com today. See about their wireless service and your free hookup and connections, maybe even a free phone. Go check it out. Patriot mobile.com the best of the best. Short commercial break. Back for hour two. In a moment. I got American Parlor. I got American Baby in America. Will include things like preservatives, artificial ingredients.
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