Episode 4088: Immigrants Want Strong Border Laws

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room – Episode 4088: Immigrants Want Strong Border Laws

Release Date: November 28, 2024
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Organization: WarRoom.org

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1. Introduction and Main Theme

In Episode 4088 of Bannon’s War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves into the growing resentment among immigrant communities, particularly Latino and Hispanic populations, regarding the influx of new asylum seekers into the United States. The episode centers on insights from a report by ProPublica titled "Immigrants Resentment Over New Arrivals Helped Boost Trump's Popularity with Latino Voters." Bannon examines how these sentiments have influenced political dynamics and bolstered support for former President Donald Trump within these communities.

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2. Immigrant Resentment and its Roots

Melissa Sanchez initiates the discussion by highlighting the frustration felt by long-time immigrants and undocumented individuals due to government policies that facilitate the entry and support of large numbers of asylum seekers. She references work permits, IDs, and substantial government spending on food and shelter for new arrivals.

Melissa Sanchez (00:00):
"Melissa, you and your colleagues spoke with dozens of long-time immigrants, undocumented immigrants, and legal immigrants in the Midwest and along the Texas border. How deep is that frustration?"

Micah Rosenberg, a ProPublica reporter, responds by emphasizing the pervasive resentment among Latino communities. He notes that while this sentiment isn't the sole factor influencing voting behavior, it is a significant and widely recognized issue.

Micah Rosenberg (00:28):
"Almost everybody that I spoke with...express this resentment...It's something that everybody is very intimately familiar with."

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3. Discrepancy Between Party Rhetoric and Ground Realities

The conversation progresses to the surprising nature of the findings for some, particularly among white populations and Democrats who may not have direct experience with immigrant communities.

Melissa Sanchez (01:00):
"Are you surprised at the fact that your article, which highlights something so obvious for many, for others, seems like such a surprise?"

Micah Rosenberg (01:11):
"But you talk to white folks, and they are really surprised. A lot of Democrats, a lot of liberals feel this way. There's a disconnect between party rhetoric and what people on the ground are saying."

Rosenberg underscores a significant gap between the narratives promoted by political parties and the actual sentiments expressed by immigrant communities, suggesting that mainstream Democrats may be out of touch with these voters' concerns.

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4. Impact of Trump’s Immigration Policies on Latino Voters

Jose provides historical context, explaining that while there was previously a higher tolerance for irregular immigration, the recent surge in numbers and the perceived strain on benefits programs have intensified tensions.

Jose (02:01):
"What was different this time is, number one, the volume...the benefits are just too many...at a time of high inflation, that really caused a lot of tension and opposition to illegal immigration to emerge and to grow."

Bannon leverages these insights to argue that Trump's stringent immigration stance resonated with Latino voters who felt overwhelmed by new arrivals and government support systems.

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5. ProPublica Report and Its Significance

Bannon critically analyzes the ProPublica report, emphasizing its role in highlighting the unspoken grievances within immigrant communities that have influenced voting patterns.

Stephen K. Bannon (04:12):
"We led the fight...Immigrants resentment over new arrivals helped boost Trump's popularity with Latino voters."

He contends that mainstream media outlets like MSNBC have overlooked these critical insights, thereby missing the underlying reasons for Trump's sustained support among Latino voters.

Bannon (04:43):
"This is exactly what President Trump knew...This is one of the most significant events that have driven this new coalition. This is monumental."

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6. Historical Context: The 2012 RNC Autopsy and the Rise of Populism

Bannon delves into the 2012 Republican National Committee (RNC) analysis of Mitt Romney's loss, contrasting it with Sean Trendy's populist-nationalist approach that eventually paved the way for Trump's rise.

He traces the evolution of the Republican Party from its traditional strategies to embracing populism and nationalism, which better aligned with the discontent among certain voter segments, including Latino communities.

Bannon (28:20):
"Sean Trendy's right. He was talking about policies that speak to the working class...a leader will arise, a leader will come on."

This shift is portrayed as a direct response to the disconnect between the party's previous rhetoric and the real concerns of voters, leading to a more effective mobilization under Trump's leadership.

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7. Critique of Democratic Strategies and Media Representation

The episode critiques Democratic strategies, suggesting that the party has taken on the role of the "responsible party" while Republicans have embraced more aggressive and populist tactics.

Tim (16:20):
"The paradox that Democrats face is they are often burdened with having to be the responsible party when Republicans refuse to be."

David Jolly (18:38):
"Donald Trump did the opposite and won...There's a lot of reflection the Democrats could do."

Bannon argues that Democrats' adherence to institutional norms and cautious approaches have left them vulnerable to the more dynamic and populist strategies employed by Republicans, particularly under Trump.

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8. The Role of Media and Messaging in Political Success

Bannon emphasizes the failure of traditional Republican messaging and media strategies to connect with voters, contrasting this with Trump's authentic and resonant communication style.

Bannon (33:14):
"Political speak does not resonate. It does not touch your spirit, doesn't touch your soul."

He credits Trump's ability to speak directly to the electorate's frustrations and aspirations as a key factor in his political success, underscoring the importance of genuine engagement over scripted messaging.

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9. Call to Action and Securing Political Victory

In the concluding segments, Bannon calls for continued vigilance and action to secure the political gains achieved, drawing parallels to historical movements and emphasizing the need for a strong, unified coalition to protect the Republic.

Bannon (51:29):
"You saved this republic. Donald Trump is providential. He's a blunt force instrument."

He urges listeners to remain active in the political arena to ensure that the momentum built through Trump’s leadership is not lost, framing it as a pivotal moment in American history.

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10. Conclusion

Episode 4088 of Bannon’s War Room paints a comprehensive picture of the complex interplay between immigrant sentiments, media representation, and political strategies that have shaped recent electoral outcomes. Through incisive analysis and strategic commentary, Stephen K. Bannon elucidates how underlying resentments within Latino communities have been instrumental in bolstering Trump’s popularity, challenging both mainstream media narratives and Democratic approaches. The episode serves as a call to action for listeners to engage proactively in the political landscape to sustain and build upon these developments.

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Notable Quotes:

• Melissa Sanchez (00:00):
  "How deep is that frustration?"

• Micah Rosenberg (00:28):
  "This feeling... this new focal, this new group of people got something that we didn't get when we got here."

• Jose (02:01):
  "The benefits are just too many... caused a lot of tension and opposition to illegal immigration to emerge and to grow."

• Stephen K. Bannon (04:12):
  "Immigrants resentment over new arrivals helped boost Trump's popularity with Latino voters."

• Bannon (28:20):
  "Sean Trendy's right. He was talking about policies that speak to the working class."

• Tim (16:20):
  "The paradox that Democrats face is they are often burdened with having to be the responsible party when Republicans refuse to be."

• David Jolly (18:38):
  "Donald Trump did the opposite and won... They might just decide to throw that bum out one more time."

• Stephen K. Bannon (51:29):
  "You saved this republic. Donald Trump is providential. He's a blunt force instrument."

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Transcript

[Melissa Sanchez]

Spoke of feeling resentment as they watched the government ease the transition of large numbers of asylum seekers into the US by giving them access to work permits, IDs, and in some cities, spending millions of dollars to provide them with food and shelter. Melissa, you and your colleagues spoke with dozens of long time immigrants, undocumented immigrants, and legal immigrants in the Midwest and along the Texas border. How deep is that frustration?

[Micah Rosenberg]

You know, almost everybody that I spoke with in my reporting and then in my personal life, I live here in Chicago, who is Latino, whose parents are immigrants, or immigrants themselves, either express this resentment or have relatives who feel this way. So I think it's pretty overwhelming. It's not the driving force for every single person I talk to in terms of who they ultimately decided to vote for. But I think it's something that everybody is very intimately familiar with. This feeling of this new focal, this new group of people got something that we didn't get when we got here.

[Melissa Sanchez]

Are you surprised at the fact that your article, which highlights something so obvious for many, for others, seems like such a surprise?

[Micah Rosenberg]

You know, that's, I'm really glad you asked that. I think about that a lot because when I talk to people who look like me, who look like us, then it's not a surprise. But you talk to white folks, and they are really surprised. A lot of Democrats, a lot of liberals feel this way. I think, you know, just have to go outside and talk to an immigrant, though. It's, I think it does speak to, like a bit of a disconnect between kind of like what the party rhetoric is and what people on the ground are saying. And I'm, you know, I'm talking to people who are immigrants almost every day. So it's not a surprise. But I think a lot of people are just completely out of touch with what regular folks are saying.

[Melissa Sanchez]

How do immigrants see Trump's promise of the largest deportation operation in US History, regardless of where they stand on the differences between immigration and migrants?

[Jose]

Well, Jose, I think for a long time there was a general tolerance for irregular immigration in the country. And obviously Latino communities perhaps had an even greater tolerance than more mainstream communities. However, I think what was different this time is, number one, the volume. And we've seen those images of so many people crossing, crossing the border. People really felt overwhelmed by those images. And then, number two, you all just discussed this issue of the benefits programs. I really do get a sense that those who came perhaps decades ago, even if they came through an irregular process, felt that these days the benefits are just too many. I even hear this in asylum and exile communities like the Cuban American community, where people say, well, you know, the benefits are just too generous. Now people are coming to the country and they want to work hard and struggle like we did. You know, we can understand that. But the generous benefits programs, the accommodations, I think at a time of high inflation, that really caused a lot of tension and opposition to illegal immigration to emerge and to grow.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.

It's Wednesday, the 27th of November in the year of our Lord 2024. Welcome to the late afternoon early evening edition of the War Room. So right there you have Melissa Sanchez and Micah Rosenberg from ProPublica. And ProPublica is not, it's not a pro Trump. It's not a pro Trump publication. It's sponsored, I think source a bunch of nefarious billionaires. It used to be just a research institute. I think they actually kind of a little media company. Now the headline of this piece, this report is immigrants resentment over new arrivals helped boost Trump's popularity with Latino voters. I kid you not. This is from a left wing organization. Melissa Sanchez and Micah Rosenberg. Let me repeat the headline in IF Grayson, Mo. Because this is one of the signals, not the noise. Immigrants resentment over new arrivals helped boost Trump's popularity with Latino voters. We told, we said this over and over again. And I think the damning thing right there on the MSNBC piece and think about it, folks, they've buried this on a, on early in the afternoon on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Yeah. You know, not many people are in the airport or in cars. So the viewership across the board, except for the War Room is down dramatically. And obviously in MSNBC, it's getting close to zero. You won't see this in primetime. Like Rachel Maddow will not have these people on next week in primetime, highly unlikely. And what they Say, just makes sense that the Hispanic, the Latino and Hispanic community, they're American citizens and they feel put upon when you have all these illegal aliens showing up and it's crime ridden and they're messing up the schools and in the hospitals and healthcare service. Of course they're American citizens. And Trump knew this. This is why we're winning South Texas. This is why we're winning the Rio Grande Valley. This is why we spend so much time focused on the Rio Grande Valley as kind of like a canary in the mineshaft. This is a hugely important story. But this is why I also go back and I say, hey, I think we just should focus at least initially and with, I don't know, 8 or 10 million illegal aliens here, just on the time period I'm going to give you. And that would be starting in the afternoon of the 20th of January of 2021, the moment Biden took over to the moment Biden leaves, which is high noon on the 20th of 2025. In those four years, let's figure out how many came across illegally on his watch who are essentially invited over and they're the ones that have to go, obviously the criminals first. But that would reinforce also with the Hispanic and Latino community, we're not going to go back into the early points of time and I'm not advocating for amnesty. Far be it. But I'm saying, Leo, we got so many problems right now. Let's triage some problems. Let's take the 10 million here on Biden's watch that just came here, that the Hispanic and Latino community and the black community are supporting us and they want to go home, too. Does that make sense? Everybody cool with that? Do we got that right there? They're telling you. And this is how we do. You know, Rachel Maddow is all about the autocratic breakthrough. Well, this is how, this is how we have a Democratic breakthrough. Because they can't get over the fact. They can't get over the fact that we've built a coalition that has African American men and it has Hispanic families and Hispanic men. And ProPublica once again has just told you. It was a fascinating segment on msnbc. What I think it was. Melissa Sanchez said, hey, because the host is sitting there going, well, we heard all the time that they were against Trump, that the Hispanic voters are against Trump, they didn't like Trump, and that this huge thing about the mass deportation was going to flip it. And her answer was pretty blunt. She says, hey, I'm not so sure any of these credentialed class, progressive Democrats have ever gone out and talked to Hispanic citizen. They haven't gone in the community. They haven't gone the neighborhoods. That's 100% right. This is what President Trump knew. This is one of the most significant events that have driven this new coalition. This is monumental. This is how you build a winning coalition. Like in 1932, like FDRs in the beginning phase of the stock, right after the stock market crash, the Great Depression that they formed and essentially governed for, I don't know, 50 or 60 years or longer. President Trump listened to these people. The war room listened to these people. We would say over and over and over again that this was all doable. Now here's how you have to deliver. And I'm not saying, oh, I'm not getting soft. I'm trying to say, hey, let's try to think this room, be humane. This is all this loose talk about the military. We just had Sheriff Mack on here yesterday that said there's more than enough constitutional sheriffs and there's more than enough jail space to kind of hold people temporarily. You don't need to build FEMA camps and you don't need the military. Military should be sent to the border to seal the border. We don't need the military for enforcement. We might need the military. I'm not saying it's 100% out. We might need the military, but I don't think we need it first. And this is why I'm an advocate of the president to go to. And I'm picking up a random place. McAllen, Texas, the capital of the Rio Grande Valley. Go down there and let's have a. Let's have a mini summit. Let's have a summit. Let's have a working group meeting, whatever you want to call it. Let's get the frontline nations around the table, including Panama. And I think Panama, we ought to assist Panama in building a wall that blocks off the Darien Gap. How many times have Berkwam and Oscar Blue, Ramirez and Michael Yan and dozens and Laura Loomer gone to the Darien Gap, gone through the Daring Gap. You see how dangerous the Daring Gap is, that connective tissue from Colombia to Panama that really connects Latin America to Central America. Then the Cartel highway all the way up. The caravans always start down near there. We've covered this for years. People have put themselves in harm's way for years. We have documented this for years. Real America's voice in the investigative apparatus. And Berquam and Oscar Blue and Jan and Many, many, many, many more Benzema. So we know kind of what went on. And that's why I say, let's get very tight. We don't need to talk. And so because MSNBC say, hey, you're going to go get Grandma, you're going to get this. We'll figure that out later. They shouldn't be lost, anybody. They're voting for you now and their grandchildren are definitely voting for you. Let's get what the problem is. The immediate problem we have is the I'm picking a number 10 million illegal alien invaders that were invited here. It's not these people's fault. They did what you and I would do. If we're living in poverty and we hear that Biden isn't, Trump is gone, Biden's inviting everybody into the country and you can stay in the United States of America. Hell, I'm getting El Norte and I'm bringing, I'm bringing people around and you're all going to go, they have to go home. We have to deport all of them. All of them. And the arguments they make now, the arguments they make now are now, oh, the tariffs are going to be inflationary, but also they take the exact Wall street pitch right out of the book and say if you send the illegal aliens home, is going to cost more to pick your fruit, more to clean your house, more to build a home. Well, hey, I'm not so sure about that. But maybe I'm not so sure. But at least the other work is done by American citizens, not by people here illegally. You can't incentivize this. And now we know from ProPublica and they go out of the way to say we're definitive when we do something. They're not really a news publication or media, although they do do a lot of media. What they are is really a research, a left wing research group. And the headline says it all. The headline is, the headline is all about how, you know, Hispanics here. Immigrants. Resentment over new arrivals help boost Trump's popularity with Latino voters. It answers itself. Okay, we're here on a Wednesday. It's the eve of Thanksgiving. There's a lot going on. Everything's taken it down one notch. But there's so much going on behind the scenes. We're trying to get you up to date on all of it. I want to thank Birch Gold, Birch Gold group. Go to birchgold.com bandit the end of the dollar empire. Do some weekend reading, a homework assignment. Okay. End of the dollar Empire. Get up to speed on what we're talking about. 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[Tim]

One I'm wrestling with a theory right now, Nicole, that this may have been an unwinnable race for Democrats, period. Vice President Harris was a fantastic candidate. May not have mattered who the candidate was because if you look at a post pandemic world economy, 70 to 80% of leading countries around the world, whether they're measured by being a leading economy or a developed democracy in the last two years have thrown out their incumbents. And it may just be that season where a Biden, a Harris, a Shapiro or anybody could not have toppled a Donald Trump simply because we're in a post pandemic world economy. But the other, the other theory that I wrestle with as well is the paradox that Democrats face is they are often, if not always, burdened with having to be the responsible party when Republicans refuse to be. So on the trans issue, it's not that Democrats are racing to embrace the trans lifestyle. It's just that they respect it and they understand that trans people deserve the same defense of liberty and personal freedom that every other American does when Republicans aren't willing to give it to them. On the economy and on taxes, consider the message of Biden and Harris. If a family makes less than $400,000, your taxes will not go up because they're being responsible about the debt and the deficit. Republicans are walking around saying, we're going to. We're going to give you a tax cut anywhere you want it, from corporate taxes to no tax on tips to no tax on overtime. You name it, we're cutting your taxes. Biden and Harris were saying they'll stay the same. You don't have to worry. They won't go. On regulations. Republicans are saying, we're not going to have regulations. We're not going to have lockdowns for health care. We're not going to have regulations on. On labor or health care or energy or the environment because you deserve the personal freedom. Democrats are saying government has a responsibility to provide for the collective, for all people by putting responsible regulations in place. That then holds a mirror up to us as a culture. Are we willing to recognize that we actually have to be responsible as well? Because the paradox that Democrats face, they're bearing the burden right now of being the responsible political party at a time when so many Americans are embracing irresponsibility. And Donald Trump is feeding the affirmation to those Americans right now who are saying, I don't care about the country, I don't care about my neighbor. I just care about me and what you're going to do for me. And they're hearing it from Donald Trump, and I think they're missing it from Democrats.

[David Jolly]

Can I be the devil on everybody's shoulder the day before Thanksgiving, please? Maybe the Democrats shouldn't be the responsible grownups for a year or so. I just think it's something to think about. Because to be Honest, back in 2012, as part of that RNC autopsy, we suggested how the Republicans should be more compassionate again and expand how we talked to immigrants and minorities and gay people and women. And then Donald Trump did the opposite of that and won. So a lot of time, all the geniuses on these shows don't really exactly know what the right thing to do is in the future. But here's one thing we do know that we've went through about 5, 6, 7, 8 straight change elections in a row. And if the country and the people that aren't as engaged and aren't following politics every day are unhappy with how they're being governed, they're happy to throw the bums out. And Donald Trump has planned a lot of things that I think would be disastrous for this country. And I think that there's a big swath of voters out there that might decide to just throw that bum out one more time if they're given the opportunity to do so. And to me, I think there's a lot of reflection the Democrats could do and there's a big conversation about the right way forward board. But Donald Trump failing is really probably the easiest path back to success for the Democrats. I mean, Tim, just quickly, the idea.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Of this earnest and I totally respect it. It's what you and I used to do when we were on campaigns that lost. The last time the Republicans lost, they cooed. They had a coup. Like the asymmetry is as stark now.

[David Jolly]

As it has been in nine years. Yeah, it's like they're putting on this hair shirt. I feel this way as a never Trumper. I mean, how many times have I had to go around and I'm happy to do it by the legs. I feel it. I'm honest about it. I feel shame. But it's been a decade. Everybody and the Democrats do this and they whip themselves. They're like, oh, if we would have done this better. That's not what the Republicans are doing. They're unapologetic about it. And they woke up, they tried a coup, and then when that didn't work, the next day they went back and tried to do everything possible to make Joe Biden a failed president. And unfortunately, that nihilism worked. And I'm not saying that the Democrats should be nihilist, but I am saying that maybe you should learn that there's something to be learned from that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, I want to take a second. I want to play. Tim's back in one minute. Just get Tim's ready to go. You're talking about resilience. So right there, blame it on the voters. David Jolly, a failed Republican for all those are failed Republicans. David Jolly is a failed Republican. Congressman Nicole Wallace is a was a comms person and a White House secretary for war criminals. The Cheney Bush junta that lied to the American people and got us into Iraq and Afghanistan so deep we Couldn't get out. And Tim Miller was the. Tim Miller, he was the Pearls or pucas. He's the. Tim was the comms director for the RNC when I first started getting involved with Andrew in politics. But there's a lot of deep truths there. After President Trump left on the 20th, we didn't curl up in a ball. This audience didn't curl up in the fetal position, start sucking their thumb. Want a binky? No. We went to work. We're resilient. We went to work. We knew the election had been stolen. We went to work. And if you hadn't had the folks at the Capitol, we would have had gone through all the states and guess what? It would have gotten kicked back into the House of Representatives as a contingent election eventually. And we would have won because President Trump did win. But that didn't happen. But we were resilient, Tim. We're not like Alec Baldwin and Sharon Stone. We're not over. We didn't run over to foreign countries to hide out and say we can't live in America anymore and criticize American citizens. We're not like what George Clooney, you know, a coward, hiding over in with the other billionaires in Northern. Hiding up in northern Italy near the tax haven or Switzerland to avoid American taxes. No, we're resilience. We stood and fought, and guess what? We just won. I want to go back. Can I play Timothy? Because this is quite. This is a very important part of history that I think it's important for you to understand, to see what the place is. Let's go to play Tim at the beginning and tell Denver I'm going to jump in here. When I start talking, they go ahead and stop. Let's go and play Tim Miller from the beginning.

[David Jolly]

Can I be the devil on everybody's shoulder the day before Thanksgiving, please? Maybe the Democrats shouldn't be the responsible grownups for a year or so. I just think it's something to think about because to be honest, I get something. And back in 2012, as part of that RNC autopsy, we suggested how the Republicans should be more compassionate again and expand how we talked to immigrants and minorities and gay people and women. And then Donald Trump did the opposite of that and won. So a lot of time, all the geniuses on these shows don't really exactly know what the right thing to do is in the future. But here's one thing we do know.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That we went through full stop, okay? He talks about. And this is the beginning of the MAGA movement, ladies and gentlemen. Begins Right where Tim Miller says, He says the 2012 RNC autopsy. So let's go back to them because you're going to see the beginning of the MAGA movement and beginning of President Trump. You had the Tea Party movement that came as very powerful in the 2010 mid. This came after the 2008 financial collapse and the defeat of McCain. But Sarah Palin was there. McCain was terrible. But until the financial collapse they were kind of dead even with Obama because nobody knew who Obama was. But people were voting for change because they knew something was wrong with the country. The direction of the country, given the wars and the economics weren't working, had the financial collapse. That's when Obama really spurted ahead of McCain and won handily. Then, because Obama hadn't brought about change, he turned out to be not a populist, not an anti war populist, that was all phony. He got in there and on the surface was super progressive, but he was just a neoliberal neocon. And in fact his bailouts of Wall street and his bailouts of corporate America were sickening. In 2000, everybody thought, oh gosh, we can beat Obama, we can beat Obama. I actually went around the country and made a film called the Hope and the Change. And I just took independence and Republicans that had voted for Obama that weren't going to vote for him again because he hadn't brought any change in four years. So they nominated Mitt Romney. What a perfect change agent. Mitt Romney. And Mitt Romney got smoked. Didn't come close. Got smoked. Paul Ryan was his vp and these guys were so cocky and so arrogant. All the big donors, Paul Allen, all of them, they're all up. The Ricketts, the Mercers are all up at the Ritz Carlton in Boston. They're all sitting there ready to think. And you know, as soon as the exit polls came out they realized, oh my God, Frank Luntz came in and gave him a lecture. You should have treated Hispanic people better. And I want you to remember and refer back to the opening segment about what the Hispanic voters told you about what really bothered them and why they're voting for Trump more than ever. So Mitt Romney got smoked and of course it had to be the voters fault. It couldn't been. It could not have been the message. It couldn't. So Reince Priebus and I didn't really know reinstand he was head of the RNC and in. Okay, this is the. Let me jump here for a second. I want to take time to walk through this because it's quite important because it gets to the beginning stages of the Tea Party kind of frittered out maga. A guy named Donald Trump came on the scene. It came around this thing called the 2012 RNC autopsy for why Romney lost. And God bless Reince and God bless Tim Miller. Tim Miller said, oh, they didn't treat people nice. Something to say. It was principally about amnesty in the Hispanic vote and it was just 1000% dead wrong. A guy named Sean Trendy, a lawyer I think at Hutton Williams in Richmond, who's a poll analyst, I think he does it full time now for Rear Claire Politics, wrote a series of articles going through the analysis and he came to a very radical, radically different conclusion than the RNC autopsy. And I sat there, new to politics. I see the autopsy here. I see Sean Trendy. Sean Trendy's right. I did some back of the envelope math and just kind of got the sense of the country. I said it's populist nationalism and a leader will arise, a leader will come on. I had tried to talk Sarah Palin in running in 2011. She didn't hit the bit. And God bless Sarah Palin. But she has faded from the scene and she was a five tool player at the time and could have won the Republican nomination. Of that I'm absolutely certain. Okay, let's take a short break. Back in a moment.

[Nicole]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Host, Stephen K. Bannon. So to finish the story, Shawn Trending, I said no, Sean Trendy's right. And he was talking about policies that speak to the working class and Reince and the RNC And Tim Miller were saying, no, we talk. We're too harsh to people, and there should be amnesty. And immediately Marco Rubio, the Gang of eight, Remember, they had that whole thing and Sean Hannity was part of it, and Rupert Murdoch, they had the big dinner with Murdoch and they were going to roll starting in 2013. And they rolled it out. They rolled out the amnesty plan on Hannity's show with Rubio. This is what killed Rubio, became like the sock puppet for amnesty. We killed that in the House and we killed it in the Senate. We killed it in the summer of 13 in the house. Remember up all Night, if you guys were around at the time, Breitbart recovery and there was Stephen Miller working for Sessions, who was a hero in that time. But what it laid out is you needed. The people were looking for change. They were looking for populist change. And that's not the Republican Party. I don't need to name the commentators that you guys know very well there. It's not populism. They would go nuts. You mentioned populism, they go nuts. You mentioned nationalism, they go nuts. That's why I'm a constitutional conservative. It's about limited government. Yo, bro, where's your limited government under Bush? Where's your limited government under Bush? 1? Where's your limited government under even President Reagan, God bless him? You never delivered any limited government because it's not just about taking a couple of regulations off. That's just you guys being toadies for your. For your donors. If you're going to do it, you got to take the state apart. Deconstruction of the administrative state. It's quite obvious what has grown and metastasized. And there are tons of smart people that know that. But you need somebody to deliver the sledgehammer. That individual would be Donald J. Trump. Remember all this time, the Never Trumpers, they had the thing on National Review, and it had all the big names and media up there, and they had pieces, they had written essays. Go back and read those essays. At the time, I go, what are these people missing? What don't they understand? No conventional Republican will ever be elected to President of the United States. Right? That's when I saw Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley. I go, are you kidding me? Forget Birdbrain's personality and lack of Smarts, and forget DeSantis. The issues he has, which are manifold. Forget those personality issues. It's just that is not going to win national elections. That's. You think that's going to turn out 80 million votes. You think that's going to turn it out in Pennsylvania, Michigan, in Wisconsin, where you need to win? No. Are you kidding me? Not going to happen. It's changed. It's left them behind. They started getting left behind because in 2012, they couldn't even understand what was in front of them. And you compare what that autopsy said with what Trendy said and how we made that actionable and waited not too long, because Trump spoke at CPAC, and then in 14. CPAC and then in 14. The moment of clarification was in Hanover, New Hampshire. I think it was Hanover. Dave, Bossie and Citizens United had the first kind of cattle call of that year. And these cattle calls are to get in front of the activists, people just like this audience that turn out that if you want to run a successful campaign in New Hampshire, you have to have these people sign up. They have to be part of your team, just like in Iowa, just like in South Carolina, those early states.

[Nicole]

And you had Rand Paul, and I.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Think Rand Paul just been on the COVID of Time magazine. You had Ted Cruz, you had Newt Gingrich, you had them all, Mike Lee, everybody. Everybody was going to run in 16. Now, they didn't have Jeb, and they didn't have a couple of moderates. Dave kind of tended towards more of the conservatives, but they must have had 20 people. And they had Donald Trump. And I'm sitting there with Breitbart Radio, and we're kind of off to the side. Oh, and guess who was there. Jeremy Peters, who had followed Andrew Breitbart and had written an amazing piece in the New York Times about Andrew Breitbart. And then Andrew had passed away, and Jeremy wrote the incredible piece about his life, because Jeremy was the New York Times guy, kind of assigned to the fringes of the conservative movement. And Cassie Hunt was up there. She was a young reporter for msnbc. She had drawn the Saturday duty, and Trump spoke. And I sat in the back, and people leaned into it. They didn't fully understand he was talking about because he was talking in a nomenclature that was totally different than Republicans had heard before. But the one thing I observed and started observing, went around is that political speak, the talking points to the Republicans, didn't resonate. Political speak does not resonate. It does not touch your spirit, doesn't touch your soul. It's very superficial. It's also not. Doesn't comport with what's going on in modern life as far as the economic realities of how one lives. It just, quite frankly, misses the point. It misses the point. You saw this last time with everything going in the world. Go back to the debates and listen to Christie. He's a good example because he's about a standard stock, a Republican, and not particularly bright that you're going to get because he's just repeating stuff. But here with here, what birdbrain repeats and hear what Chris Christie repeats doesn't really tie in with modern economic reality. It doesn't tie in with the geostrategic reality of the world. It's all this, you know, we're fighting for freedom in Ukraine, we're fighting for liberty in Ukraine. Just all this mindless chatter. Trump was different. When Trump talked, people leaned into it. It was powerful. You could tell Trump was touching something. He was touching a nerve. And no, he wasn't a politician. He was anything but a politician. He didn't have any of the moves of a politician, didn't think like a politician, didn't want to test. Let's go test market. Let's do a focus group. Can you get some overnight polling for me? Remember, Trump thinks all the polling numbers are made up anyway. The pollsters don't really do it. They just make it up. So he's not going to test like Clinton. Clinton would test everything. Focus group test it. Just the kind of the superficial marketing apparatus that's taken over modern politics. Trump was none of that. But you could see in that very early time that there was something that people had wanted change. But they're not taught how the system works. Not only do we don't teach civics, they don't teach the classical Declaration of Independence, particularly the Constitution, how that ties in with the corporate world, how it ties in to the United States economy and how that economy ties in to the global economy and how the United States really ties in or connects into like the G7 or the G20 from national security basis and from a geopolitical basis and from a global capital markets and trade patterns. They're not taught. Why is it not taught? Why have people come to the war room to hear what we have to say here? Why at Danbury did the young prisoners, the black and Hispanic prisoners, lean forward and want it and thirst it? Thirsted for more of this. They don't teach it because they don't want you to know it. They don't teach it because they don't want you to know it. They're not interested in you understanding it. Because if you understand it, you may have a couple of questions. And if you have a couple of questions and they don't get answered. Then all of a sudden maybe you draw an opinion and maybe that opinion goes against how they want things run and so they want the politicians to stand up there and just talk about nonsense. Go back. You ever get a chance? It's not a waste of time. YouTuber Go back and look at the debates on like early Republican debates in some of the years and like in 2012 or in 2008, go back and look at some of the questions and how the answers were. You'll see how meaningless it is, how irrelevant it is. It's structured to be irrelevant, to be meaningless. Because the Murdochs who control Fox, they don't want change. They like the way things are. They're kind of in control. The system doesn't want change. You have force. You're the anti system players. They are the system. You know, Alex Wagner and Chris Hayes are two of the smartest guys over there. They talk about this all the time, that they are now boxed into and boxed into an enviable position of defending a corrupt and incompetent and destructive system. And they said, well of course the system needs change, but you have to have institutionalists and we're institutional. You have to, you have to have these institutions. Is that some part of. Is that like the second law, thermodynamics? This is like when Paul Ryan and them used to talk about Austrian economics and hand out big copies of Ayn Rahn's Atlas Shrugged. We're all going to be libertarian objectivists now, but I don't believe that. I'm not one, never will be one. Not that I say that she's not a great novelist and people get a lot of enjoyment in reading that. But the political philosophy of it is the political philosophy of a nine year old girl. It's not only not serious, it's dangerous. Atlas Shrugged and the thoughts of Atlas Shrugged and the Ubermensch and Nietzsche's Will to Power and all the Nietzschean philosophy that incorporates that leads to Auschwitz. Yep, right there. Crooked path, but you'll get there. It was like the autopsy with all the data and all the information and Tim Miller just said it. Oh, you know, we said we'd said mean things about gays and mean things about blacks and mean things about Hispanics. We hadn't given Amnesty. We had to be nicer. I remember Reince, I didn't know me. We go on tv, he says we need to tell better stories. I'm sitting there going, we need to do what you can. Tell better stories. Is that what we need? To do no. And Reince is a good man. I got to know him a lot on the 16 campaign and then in the, in the White House. And Reince Prieves is a good guy. I know a lot of people take shots him and all is this war between Reince and Bannon. That's far from the truth. We don't agree on a lot, but he's a good man. But he's also dead. He was dead wrong. And remember what Miller, Tim Miller just said? And then Trump comes along and he says everything bad about everybody and they win because Trump talks about the real issues in the country and it connects when they, when they stole the election and ran him out of town, when he got to Mar? A Lago, he had every opportunity in the world just to say, I'm not going to do this anymore. I'm already worth $7 billion. I got a great family. I go buy more golf clubs and you know, they'll be in the British rota or I'll get to the, you know, bedminster will be in the PGA and I'll eventually get host US Open somewhere. He could have done that and been revered by the, by the 25 or the 1/3 of the, of the Maga movement that would have hung around and always supported him. But he didn't. He had the moral courage to say, no, I must return. I won it. They stole it. I will only sleep when we run again and I win again. And people ask, how did you know so early it was going to happen? Because it's inevitable. It had to happen. We're a providential country and divine providence works through human agency in the United States of America because we are the new Jerusalem. If you don't understand that, you don't understand anything. You're not going to understand anything. That you here, this audience, in this point in time, this place, are making history like no other common citizens have made history since the revolution. You, this audience, the tip of the tip of the spear because of your agency. You had Trump's back. Trump had the courage to step forward and say, I'll do it again. Trump took on all comers and the entire apparatus. The financial apparatus, the technology apparatus, the Hollywood apparatus, the political apparatus, the legal apparatus, 92 felonies, what, 400 years in prison, Never before in any even a banana republic. And he won. He won. And that's just one step in this journey. We have to secure that victory. We have to secure that victory. We have to fight. We have to take control of the institutions. This moment in history Demands it. It demands it. It demands it of you. Not of Trump, of you, of you. If you meet this moment we will save this Republic Sherbert Spread the word all through Hong Kong we will fight till they're all gone. We rejoice when there's no more. Let's take down the CCP do you ever think, how can I work this.

[Nicole]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen King.

So to tie back to that autopsy, here we are in 2024, which is 12 years after the autopsy. 12 years, a decade plus in ProPublica right there, two reporters, two investigators for ProPublica, a left wing operation. Go out into the field and come back and say the quiet part out loud that Hispanic and Latinos were attracted to Trump because Trump protected their citizenship. About the invasion of the new arrivals, they hated this and only Trump had the courage to step up. One thing that MSNBC should understand, this is just not your problem. Is deeper than just the fatigue of people that lose. Even on the right after Trump lost in 20, you see all the networks and websites. Everything dropped off. Warwin didn't we? Didn't we added why? Because we led the fight. So I'm not giving up. This election was stolen. I don't care if we get and remember, we're permanently between that and the pandemic. And we're the first ones to go to the pandemic in January 2020. Between that and the pandemic, we're permanently in perpetuity, banned on Facebook, on YouTube, on Spotify, and on Twitter. Up until a week ago. A week ago, we haven't rejoined Twitter, but a week ago, we banned. Up until a week ago, I think they came back and said, you can get your. You can get your handleback. Which I never had because it was never on Twitter. We had something up there that was banned. And 12 plus years later, Trump is right. It's one of the reasons he won. This is the reason of this, of this new coalition coming together does, I keep saying, is like what FDR did to end the Republican reign. Essentially from the Civil War. And I realize you had Woodrow Wilson and some other guys there, but essentially from the Civil War, from the ascension of Abraham Lincoln in 1860 all the way through, basically, basically FDR, it was all Republican rule. And from FDR, essentially. I know you had. You had Eisenhower, but he was kind of a corpus the president. Reagan had Newt Gingrich. Revolution, right. So until then. But really the big move, I think, was taking the House in 2010 with the Tea Party movement. He won 63 seats. That's been set to play. And then a couple of years later, Trump won the presidency. Then Trump won again in 2020, had it stolen, came back and won in 2024. And here we are, and Bob's your uncle. And now we have to secure that victory. You have to secure the victory. Just like after the Civil War. Was the victory secured with all the bloodshed of what was fought for the Civil War? Was that victory secured? Was World War II, of all the bloodshed and the American participation, did we really win in World War II, when Stalin took over all Eastern Europe, we gave up Berlin. We didn't even try for Berlin. All those questions that Senator McCarthy asked, how did that happen? And then a couple of years later, we gave over China to the Chinese Communist Party. You see all that bloodshed, all that sacrifice by the Russian people and the Chinese people, and they're enslaved by Communists, dictators every bit as bad as Hitler. Hitler's a monster. Stalin was a monster. And Mao Zedong may be even the greatest monster. That's why this moment on the eve of Thanksgiving about what to give thanks for. Give thanks not simply we have Donald Trump, but give thanks that you're here in this moment in history and that divine providence in its wisdom has said that you're here and you're in this movement and that your agency means something, that you've had you, this audience, have had a direct impact in changing and bending the arc of history. Bending the arc of history. Hear people talk about it. You have bent the arc of history. I was there. I saw you do it. I saw you do it. From January of 2021 until November 5th of 2024, I saw you bend the ark of history. Mike Lindell joins us. Mike. People are saying Mike's not showing us good enough deals. Talk to us, brother.

Well, by the way, Steve, you couldn't have said it better, what you just said. Those are words to give thanks for God gave us grace for such a time as this. And I've been saying it for the last three, four years. Enjoy where we're at. We're at a defining moment in history and in the biggest revival ever for Jesus Christ. And I want to give thanks to the Warm Room Posse. This is the last day, it'll be till midnight for the free shipping on your entire order. Now we're going to have a lot of new specials for Black Friday, but this one is really special. We did it this week for the Warm Room Posse. All of our pillows there, 1488, 1888 for the queens, 1988 for the kings. The body pill is 2988. Get the free shipping. There's what? Top six, seven hours left of the free shipping promo code.

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[Nicole]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Nicole]

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[Nicole]

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