Stephen K. Bannon (4:20)

Hold it, hold it, hold it. D.C. hang on, hang on. First off, this is not. It's populist nationalists versus elite globalists. And when you say, we're going to work this out, you guys, I'm going to get loomers on here. She's banned. They're trying to ban Gavin Wax. You're going to be banned eventually by the free speech absolutist. The nerds don't take criticism. They're kind of, you know, they're a little bit all on the spectrum, right? So they don't know. They're not deep in social skills. And I say, you can't run a country by algorithm. You can't run a country by the nerds that create their companies. All employ a handful of people, right? And they're all math, you know, they're all mathematicians, all about algorithms. You can't run a country like that. We're a country, not an economy. And people say, oh, Steve, you're condemning us to be a third world nation. Anything but. Anything but. The American people rise to the occasion. And they're rising to the occasion now. But you can't sit there and tell the American people this is a problem. We have a capitalist system with no capitalists. It's a concentration of wealth and power. And now you're seeing what they're doing with this, not just illegal immigration. Look, folks, this brought 15 million people into the country. I was on David Sacks show on election night and I told the guy, hey, yeah, we're going to deport all 15 million. He like freaked out. He seemed like a pretty good guy. But I think this is a guy that put, put out yesterday's tweet said we want a billion people in the United states. Bring in 5 million a year. No, we do not. And not going to have a billion people in the United States of America. People already say we're kind of overcrowded right now, particularly out west. The folks are saying, hey, way too much people. You have a, you have a bizarre idea of what this country is, no understanding of how we got here, and no idea of what we are going to be in the future. We are not going to be some anarcho libertarian, you know, big tech run by big tech oligarchs. That is not going to happen. Okay? We haven't fought all these wars and haven't gotten here to give it over to a bunch of geeks that you would stuff and that they're all reacting, being stuffed in the locker in high school, they're having a reaction. D.C. drano.

D.C. Drano (6:33)

Yeah, that was again, another tone deaf post. And you know, Vivek and I have not always gotten along. We kind of have a little bit of a truce right now. But the American people are starting to see kind of what he believes on the H1BS. This is not a surprise. Breitbart wrote an article about this in 2023. He wants uncapped H1BS. And listen, it's the same as when the Democrats say, who's gonna pick the crops? These new type of globalists are saying, well, who's gonna do the coding? Right? It's how about Americans? How about you pay market wages for American employees and you don't trash American culture. You don't call us mediocre. Sir, we just took back this country from the most hostile regime that has ever occupied it. American grit did that. Not every American is exceptional. But.

Stephen K. Bannon (7:23)

Hold it, hold it, hang on, whoa, hang on, hang on. Dc, dc we took it back from them. They were a huge part of the problem. They were handing. Every one of these guys was hand in glove. Look, I saw them all come as supplicants to Trump in 16. And what they did is they embedded in the administrative state and some elements of the White House and the administration and they kind of got their way. And I said at the time, when Zuckerberg and these guys start coming around the Oval Office, they're down there now with their million dollar checks, you know, kissing the ring. But they don't have good intentions. They just don't. They're anti sovereignties. They see this as kind of a. They don't see it as a country. They see it as the Hub of a network, the railhead of a network. They want to go back to what the Medicis had in the Borgias had in the Middle Ages in Italy, these kind of city states, that's what they look at. DC Drainage. So what are you going to do? DC to throw down hard. You're a pretty big voice, but they're going to ban you, brother.

D.C. Drano (8:25)

Well, I've already been banned, so I'm kind of used to it. It was banned for a couple years. Thankfully, we've got other platforms with true free speech. But listen, I think we got to work this out, and they got to take a backseat. They're new to this movement. They certainly don't have our best intentions in their hearts, and they got to take a back seat. And if they start giving us actual free speech on social media, if they start monetizing conservatives, which we've seen the last 24 hours, does not look like that's going to be happening, then maybe we can discuss some oh, one visas. Right? But they gotta take a back seat. These are the same people that banned Trump off every single platform just four years ago. And now they're coming in after he takes control and saying, well, here's what we want from you. Absolutely not. And listen, we tried this experiment of importing foreign workers and outsourcing to China and cheap labor, because that's all this is. It's just cheap labor. That's all they want. And it hollowed out the Rust Belt. It destroyed communities. You know, for every person they hire on the cheap, a family gets destroyed. Right? A person they hire from overseas, a family gets destroyed. That increases drug addiction, that increases school dropout rates, crime rates, and the American people are left paying for this. So at the very least, as much as we're gonna put tariffs on foreign imports, why don't we put tariffs on these foreign workers, too? You wanna pay them for cheap? Guess what? It's gonna be more expensive than if you hire a American native worker. I think that's what we should focus on. Maybe that's a compromise, but that's the best they're going to get. You know, no offense, we're putting the nerds back in the locker, but Trump is our guy.

Stephen K. Bannon (10:07)

Yeah, you're going to repeat high school here, nerds. You keep pushing this, you're going to repeat high school you stuffed in the locker. You're not going to date the prom queen. D.C. how do people get you what they can on social media?

D.C. Drano (10:20)

Yeah. D.C. drano and everything. And, you know, it's an honor to be back on the war room. Steve, we miss you. And you know this is the fight we're gonna have. But listen, if the Democrats can somehow house Jews and pro Hamas in their side of things, I think we'll be able to figure out a solution to all this.

Stephen K. Bannon (10:41)

Amen, brother. Thank you. DC Drano. Jack Posobic, your thoughts on free speech. Absolutism. You've been a big believer. You've been a big believer in this, but it looks like it's shifting the other way. They're demonetizing people, taking them off, taking away their blue checks. What's going on? What's your guidance, Steve?

Laura Loomer (11:01)

Look, I think that X what it did in 2024, and I'm always going to give Elon Musk credit to buying it in 2022 and then turning it into the fulcrum of free speech that it was that want us the election. Look, Kamala Harris could be president if not for X, and you can't lose sight of that. That being said, look, if there's some standard, if there's some terms of service that someone violated, spell it out. What was it? What did Laura Loomer violate? What did Gavin Wax violate? What did Owen Schroyer violate? Explain it to us. Show us the evidence and let's see the receipts. Because right now it looks that all that got violated was that they had a disag with the most powerful user on the platform. Optics on that aren't exactly free speech. This reminds everybody of the worst of the eras of Zuckerberg, of Google, of YouTube and all the rest of it, when people are getting banned left and right. Even Stephen K. Bannon got banned simply for saying a common phrase about Anthony Fauci. Yeah, and we all remember, we all remember what happened to Alex Jones years ago. And I always stood up for him, for his right to freedom of speech. Even when people said, hey, this isn't good for you politically, Poso, this isn't good for you. Don't be associate. I said, look, no, no, because they go for Alex, they'll come for Steve. They'll come for everyone.

Stephen K. Bannon (12:24)

By the way, the war is one of the biggest, most powerful shows. We're still banned everywhere in perpetuity. We don't give a damn. I could care less. We're not going to have ruled by nerds. Not going to happen. Want to have a throwdown now? Let's have a throwdown now. Not going to have rule by nerve. Been there, done that. We saw that. We saw in the pandemic. We saw what you did to Trump. We saw how you tried to suppress everything we've had. Rule by nerds. Not going to happen again. That's where you're all down in Mar a Lago right now. You know, kissing the ring, giving you a little million dollar checks. Jack, where do people get you? You got the new podcast about Christianity. It's just like unhumans. It's brilliant what you did on the communist side you're doing now. Where do people get it? Sir?

Laura Loomer (13:00)

Well, thank you, Steve. So we took some time off and, you know, I thought we were going to have some family time, but MAGA takes no days off. We've created series called the Chronicles of the Christians because it's time for Christians to understand that Christian history is at the core of Western civilizations history and Christianity has always been a core driver of this. The first episode yesterday, we covered a thousand years and people can go and check that out. The true rise of Christianity, how it spread, how the gospel spread and how during the Middle Ages it was the Monastases and it was the scripturas that kept the word of God. This is what spread. Public literacy, by the way, was the ability to read the Bible. Today we get into the Crusades, the true story of the Crusades. And how, by the way, that it was the Western church coming to the aid of the Eastern church after the schism because they were about to be overrun by who? The Caliphate. Who going to tell the entire story of Christianity in a way that you've never heard before. It's all coming out, I believe. By the way, thank you to the war room engine room for airing it as well on the war Room Rumble channel. And of course, we've got it up on Apple Podcasts. So pull your Apple podcast out and go subscribe Human Events Daily. We'll be dropping it all this week and next week.

Stephen K. Bannon (14:22)

My favorite gift for my beloved kid brother. My free constant Tantanople T shirt now going viral. Jack, thank you so much. We'll be listening and watching today. We'll put it up on all of our platforms. It's amazing. Your stuff's great.

Laura Loomer (14:37)

Two words on Constantinople, Steve. Two words on that. Land back.

Stephen K. Bannon (14:45)

Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Okay, Johnny Khan from Breitbart will take us out. We got brat Raheem Loomer next in.

Raheem Kassam (14:54)

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Stephen K. Bannon (15:00)

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Laura Loomer (16:11)

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

Stephen K. Bannon (16:16)

Okay, we got Laura Loomer on deck by phone, but I've got Michael Seifert first. The Chairman CEO of the publicly traded Public Square, one of the best companies out there for building the Patriot economy. Brother Seifert, you've been, you kind of came from that Silicon Valley culture. This is why you started the alternative Patriot Economy. Really? Marketplace exchange of Public Square. You've been on fire, brother Twitter over the last 24:48 hours. Tell me what your beef is, sir.

Michael Seifert (16:47)

Well, my beef is simply put, Steve, that I believe the American people have given a clear mandate on November 5, that we want a populist future that is rooted in America first principles for everything. For tech, for hiring, for policy, for business, for housing. America and Americans first. Always so. Simply put, if any idea or economic solution or policy agenda causes Americans to be deprioritized, it's not something we should embrace. And in fact, it's something that we should verbally and often criticize. And I think Trump said it best. In 2016, President Trump said the H1B program is neither high skilled nor immigration. Those lies are all just that, they're lies. These are temporary foreign workers imported from abroad for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. The reality is, Steve, the American people are the best on the planet. In fact, the national. I'm gonna read this to you cuz I thought it was fascinating. I discovered this yesterday. The National Academy of Sciences found that American seniors outperform on the computer sciences than any other country. Most especially China, Russia and India. So this facade that Americans are lazy and we don't have the right talent, it's not true. We've had a status system for the last eight years that has actually utilized DEI and ESG to deprioritize native born American applicants in favor of foreign workers through visa programs. And one other thing, if you actually love India so much, then you should want India to thrive. And the best way to have India thriving is by making sure that their top talent stays over there. So I am heated about this topic. It's gotta be America and Americans first for American companies. And we actually put our money where our mouth is, Steve. Anytime we have an applicant come through with an H1B or an O1 or a visa program of any sort on their application, we automatically deny them. I'm sorry, we're an American company, it's Americans first. And we're really glad to have a unified culture in our workforce where all of our employees are actually American. And we're unified to a common cause of strengthening the American economy through the American principles. We are not just an economic zone. We're not just a sports team and we're not just a financial institution that you can extract value from. We're an actual country, a culture with customs and traditions. We're a heartland. And for me it's my home. So it's not just an economic zone, it's our home. And we want to make sure that we protect it.

Stephen K. Bannon (19:20)

The reason you're so special in this is you're running, you're running a tech company. You came from tech to create this. What about their argument is that you're just condemning, by not doing this, you're condemning America to be a second or third rate power that our superpower comes from the ability to attract all these brains and geniuses from around the world. Is there any. You're in the middle of this and you're publicly traded, so you've got to deliver for your shareholders every day. Is there any truth to that part of the argument of these guys?

Michael Seifert (19:50)

No. It's a ploy to get cheaper labor. At the end of the day, the best Americans, excuse me, the best engineers, Steve I've ever met, all happen to be American. If you meet a phenomenal kick butt American engineer, any actual professional in this space will tell you they're the best engineers on the planet. And so our belief is, very simply put, we want to ensure that the best engineers on the planet get into our company. It just so happens that those best engineers on the planet come from the United States. And one other thing I'll mention, Steve, is that employees are not only measured at our company by their ability to produce great code. There's also a cultural fit that has to be consistent. So if you have a company made up of a bunch of people that don't align on anything else other than their ability to write code, you're not going to actually have a productive company culture. You won't have a unifying bond that's consistent throughout all of your employees. So not only are we as a tech company super focused on ensuring that we have the best engineers on the planet that happen to be from the United States, we're also focused, headstrong on ensuring that our company culture is about the main thing. It's about an actual consistent, common mission that is shared amongst all of our employees. So, yeah, as an American company, I think that that argument that we could find more skilled labor by going overseas is ludicro. And I think that anybody worth their salt in this space would tell you that that's the truth. There's a reason that American engineers generally cost more and it's not because they're entitled. It's because they're better at their craft. We have an entrepreneurial spirit in the United States that has created the best startups ever known to mankind. So this idea that America is lazy, what are you talking about? We're the highest producers in the world. We're the innovative drivers that have led to monumental advancements in the world of technology and enterprise finance. And so, yeah, for us, we see it as a strategic move, not just a patriotic move to ensure that our employee base is full of American workers and that we're rejecting these visa program applicants.

Stephen K. Bannon (21:50)

So, Michael, I want everybody to go to the site today to check it out, to check out your business. But I also want your Twitter account because you've been on fire. Where they go, where they go from Public Square and then where they go for you.

Michael Seifert (22:02)

Well, thanks, Steve. If you want to shop in this Christmas season from businesses that love the American Main street, they're small businesses that are family owned and operated businesses that you don't find on Amazon, you can head to publicsquare.com we're running some great post Christmas sales and we'd love for you all to check it out. And then if you'd like to engage with me on social media, best place to do that is on X realmichaelsife, S, E, I F, first four letters of my last name. And I'd love to connect with you over there. So Steve, thanks so much for having me on.

Stephen K. Bannon (22:35)

Brother Seifert, thank you for being on Fire over the last 48 hours. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Okay, One of the strongest voices out there, Laura Loomer, now joins us by front. Laura, what is this really about? You've been at kind of the tip of the tip of the spear here, and they're trying to shut you down. But what is this. Pull back for a second and frame this argument. What is this actually about, ma'am?

Rosemary Jenks (23:00)

So what you have is ever since four months ago, when President Trump was almost assassinated in Butler, you have the most vitriolic and censorious leftist billionaires and privileged executives in Silicon Valley deciding that after censoring and silencing President Trump and the MAGA base for the last eight or nine years, they want to have a seat at the table. And why do they want a seat at the table? Because they want to skirt accountability in the incoming Trump administration after doing everything in their power to stop President Trump from getting elected. And they also want to immigrate. They want to influence our immigration policy. And so I've been calling this out from the get go, been very critical of the big tech executives walking into Mar A Lago like they're trying to buy influence with their $1 million checks and coming. Coming around after, you know, being vitriolic towards President Trump. And the question is, and your previous guest this morning have the same question. Why are these people who have a history of hating President Trump all of a sudden trying to dictate us on our immigration policy and telling us that we're stupid, we're not the best and brightest. We have to import people to do the job in tech. We have to have foreigners now work with David Sacks, who didn't even support President Trump in the primary. Right. These are people who supported Ron Desantis and said that President Trump was too old and that he was likely going to go to jail and not survive his indictments. These are the people that are being welcomed into the White House. And so this all started because I posted a tweet about this guy to Rom and pointed out the fact that he has been donating to Democrats, including pro impeachment and pro indictment Democrats like Ro Khanna, who said that President Trump should be impeached one month before the presidential election. And now we're watching these people who have never had an interest in President Trump, who donated to his political opponents over the years, supported Hillary Clinton, supported Ro Khanna now trying to influence our policy. And the Tech Bros don't want accountability, Bannon. That's what this is about. They don't like when people. Hang on.

Stephen K. Bannon (25:03)

Yeah, but hang on one second. By the way, Rokuhana has got the take on economic, national cause, economic patriotism. I'm not so sure. The guy that gave him a check really, totally understands his economic policies, which is really kind of America first. But let me go back to Elon Musk, and I've said this over again, because he and I have a lot of disagreements, and particularly on transhumanism and the ccp. But, Laura, when the campaign had no money, the outside groups ran the ground game. You know this. You were there. He wrote a $250 million check starting in, you know, every month, starting in July. We would not have had the ground game victory. We had the 50 some plus million people that showed up on mass mobilization. If Elon didn't write that check, I mean, how do you deal with that? That the fact he's gonna be at the table? Because he's one of the most important guys that back President Trump financially. And in his engineering mind, he didn't spend the money on ads. He went right back and supported, you know, Charlie Kirk's efforts, our efforts, your efforts, everybody, to get out the vote. How do you square that, ma'am?

Rosemary Jenks (26:10)

Well, you can have a seat at the table, but why are Trump loyalists and people who have actually had skin in the game since the beginning not allowed to criticize or even report on the history and the nature of the people that are now being appointed to work in the Trump administration? This is about freedom of speech. This is about holding truth to power, and this is about being able to speak truth to power and speak truth about unelected billionaires who now want to pretend like they are president. And a lot of people are concerned about this. It's not just Democrats that are concerned about the level of influence that technocratic billionaires are having walking into Mar a Lago and trying to have a seat at the table to influence our tech policy after being anti maga and pro open borders their entire lives. So we need to have a conversation about this. People shouldn't be demonetized. I was banned. I was banned from Twitter and I'm still suspended for hours. I had my blue checkmark taken away, even though I've been a paid subscriber to Twitter and I've supported premium and I also had all of my paid subscribers taken away. These are people that decided to support me with their money because they like what I do and they enjoy my journalism. And so now a billionaire who doesn't like the fact that I'm opposed to H1B visas and a billionaire that doesn't like the fact that I'm pointing out that a guy who donated to pro impeachment Democrats shouldn't have a seat at the table. And the Trump administration is going to take that away from me. It sends a chilling effect. And you know, if you're not going to support free speech and you're going to silence President Trump's supporters and his most loyal followers who helped get him elected when people like Elon Musk and and David Sachs were supporting and financing Ron DeSantis. You don't have a spot at the table. You shouldn't have a spot at the table.

Stephen K. Bannon (27:55)

Laura, just hang on for one second. I know you got a ball, but I need to hold you just shortly. Quickly through this break. Laura Loomer joins us by phone. Raheem Kassam, Dave Brett, Darren Beatty, Rosemary Jinx, all next in the war room.

Laura Loomer (28:10)

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

Stephen K. Bannon (28:15)

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Rosemary Jenks (29:03)

They're trying to reform original MAGA immigration policy. I posted the video of President Trump from 2016 saying that the H1B visa system is full of abuse and fraud and that he's going to eliminate it. You have these tech billionaires who think that they can just buy influence and walk into Mar a Lago and try to tell us that we're stupid and we're retarded. I mean, that's literally what Elon Musk said. He called us subtards because we don't want H1B visas. And so I also have a problem with his ties to China. Okay. I really do feel that it's inappropriate for a guy who is being Funded by. Well, you know, he's closely aligned with Xi Jinping and Lee Kwang of the ccp. They support his Shanghai gigafactory. Why does this guy have unfettered access to President Trump? And what are these? The national security implications of this. I know that you've spoken out about this, and we really need to have an honest conversation about this. At what point do we say, thank you so much for supporting President Trump and donating to his ground game, but these conflicts are inappropriate and they're going to create potential controversy for President Trump and his nominees in the Trump administration. We need to have an honest conversation about this that isn't blinded by people's love for a technocratic billionaire. We need to protect President Trump from these conflicts. The guys that are going in to advise on tech are openly tweeting about their investment portfolios in Palantir while they're appointing all of their Palantir associates to serve in the Trump administration. These are inappropriate conflicts that we would be criticizing the Democrats for. And we need to have the same standards. We need to have the same standards, or else we're no better than the Democrats.

Stephen K. Bannon (30:46)

Laura, real quickly, he's a free speech absolutist. The platform's supposed to be about free speech absolutism. What is your current status, ma'am? What has happened to you on that platform?

Rosemary Jenks (30:56)

Well, if he's a free speech absolutism, this. Why was. Why was my account suspended? Why was my Verified Premium account taken away from me? So if you subscribe to me, thank you for your support, but you will no longer be able to subscribe to me because Elon Musk has suspended your ability to support my work because he doesn't like what I said. If you want to verify that my account is me and it's not some troll trying to pretend to be me, you're not going to be able to verify my account anymore because I have lost my verification, my blue check, because Elon Musk doesn't like what I said. I didn't dox anybody. I posted publicly available FEC records. I didn't incite violence against anybody. I am simply trying to warn the Trump administration about something that is going to blow up in their face, and it actually has the risk of potentially getting President Trump impeached in his second term. If the Democrats take back the House and are successfully able to spin and create a narrative that Big Tech is trying to buy influence and that they are enriching themselves in the Trump administration. I'm trying to warn them about a serious issue on the horizon and it needs to be taken seriously because clearly the MAGA base is up in arms about this today.

Stephen K. Bannon (32:08)

Laura, where do people then go to get you? Where do we go today to track Laura Loomer as you're the tip of the tip of the spear in this fight, ma'am.

Rosemary Jenks (32:17)

Well, you can go to my, my website loomer.com loomer.com you can support my work, I guess on buymeacopy.com Laura Loomer and subscribe to me on rumble rumble.com Laura Loomer and truth Social. Hopefully I, you know, I'm able to get back in my account once the 12 hour suspension is up. But it doesn't look like I'm really going to be able to post long tweets anymore since my character limit has been limited and I've been banned from being able to purchase premium according to the messages I got from X last night. Hopefully, hopefully President Trump can can tell Elon Musk to restore the verification for his supporters and his best foot soldiers during the campaign. We need to be able to have open dialogue and conversation.

Stephen K. Bannon (33:03)

Laura, thank you so much. Appreciate you coming on. By the way, you see Laura in Dan Flitz, the Pictorial History of the War Room Rebels, Rogues and Outlaws. It's an amazing book and I got to tell you, her photos are quite frankly, stunning. Laura Loomer, a fighter. Raheem, what in the hell's going on here? You've been on this for the last 48 hours, but you've been fighting this fight with us for a decade. What is really going on here?

Raheem Kassam (33:32)

Yeah, that's right, Stephen. You know, I like to think of that. I can come at this conversation certainly not as a jock, but also not as a nerd. I was never in a spelling fee contest and I was never particularly good at mathematics. And I sort of like to think that for the nerds I could be the jock whisperer and for the jocks, I can be the nerd whisperer. The psychological part of this that you guys have brought up all of this show is obviously massive. You know, these are people who are effectively using a government sponsored immigration program, a government policy, a long standing and long bemoaned H1B policy that the United States has to bring in people that they can use as indentured servants, but also to bring in people that they can bully. Right. That is the cultural and psychological factor behind all of this. But this argument is very hard and I was warning all year long that you bring These outsiders in. And you know, I think a lot of people have said this over the course of the show. We obviously are very grateful for the support, for the money, for the PACs, for the voter registration, for the purchase of X from Big Tech. But hey, what's the point of the purchase of X from Big Tech if it's just meet the new boss, same as the old boss. And that's what this really comes down to. If you're having an open conversation on a platform like X, you should be able to pretty much say virtually anything short of, you know, threats to violence or violent insurrection or whatever it is. But what we saw take place yesterday was the culmination of a conversation that has been running for decades and decades. And look, and I wrote the book in 2018 called Enoch was right. This was about a British parliamentarian who you know very well, Enoch Powell, who gave this message loud and clear to the British public that if you keep mass importing people, then it is akin to a nation heaping up its own funeral funeral pyre. And when I listen to Laura Looma, when I listen to Jack Berservik, when I listen, I know you got Darren Beatty and Mark Record and all these guys, they will say the same thing. This is like a nation heaping up its own funeral pyre. And listen, take it from me, an outside voice who came here from the United Kingdom to warn you not to go down the same route that we have gone. And that is exactly what these big tech oligarchs want, right? It's mass immigration. It's complete disregard for not just Americans, but American culture. They couldn't care, care less about it. So here's the deal that we have to assert at this point. And by the way, it's funny, isn't it, that some of us don't need to stroke million dollar and $10 million checks to have influence and to be heard. Why? Because we speak the truth and we speak from the heart and we speak with morality at its core. There is nothing moral about indentured servitude. There is nothing moral about the H1B system. There is nothing moral about the brain drain that it creates on the rest of the world. There's absolutely nothing moral about what to American citizens whose parents and grandparents and great grandparents built the country, paid into the system and are now getting a bum rap as a result of these, of these new tech oligarchs. It was always going to happen. It was always a fight we were going to have to have. And I'm glad we're having it now. The deal is simple. You don't get to roll in at the last minute saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, we love Trump, too, and then control the policy positions of the incoming administration. I'm sorry, we're not going to tolerate it.

Stephen K. Bannon (36:56)

Raheem, hang on for one second. I'm going to put a pin in that and come right back to you. Rosemary Jenks, you're the expert on this. In fact, you've left Numbers USA to actually get into a more activist role here. Is Raheem right about this? Is what the tech oligarchs are saying? The tech bro saying, just another cover for a scam to get mass legal immigration, ma'am.

Darren Beatty (37:18)

Oh, 100%. There's no question about that. And I think the masks came off during this last week of debate. And actually, I think it's been a fantastic debate until yesterday. And I was all ready to give Elon Musk credit for allowing this to happen on X because really, I think the tech CEOs stepped out of their bubble early in the week and assumed that they could convince the unwashed masses that, you know, their need for cheap labor is real and America can only win if they get their cheap labor, indentured servants and the fact that they were immediately pushed back on with facts, with data, with stories, heartbreaking stories of Americans who have been displaced, who have lost job opportunities, who, you know, never got the opportunities in the first place, even though they did all the right things in developing the skills. I think all of that is exactly what should happen in a democracy. We should be having that debate about legal immigration. We've had it about illegal. Everyone apparently agrees now. But on legal immigration, this is precisely the kind of debate we should have. So now we have to see are the tech CEOs going to basically throw all the toys out of the pram and go home, or are they going to have a rational conversation that can lead us to a solution that benefits American workers and potentially, you know, benefits them too? That's fine. But we have to come to the table if we're going to have a solution. If they're going to throw their print their toys out of the pram and go home, then it's all for naught.

Stephen K. Bannon (38:57)

Well, tell me, give me a minute on before I gotta bounce about what is because people look to you as somebody that's shaped this conversation for the last 10 years. President Trump would not be president if it was not for the pick and shovel work you guys are doing in Numbers usa and guys like Mark Kakorian for years that empowered Stephen Miller and others like myself at Breitbart to really have a club to bludgeon like the House and the Senate during the rise of Trump. What is the solution here, ma'am, on the dialogue base. And that's a specific policy. But how do we get this back on track?

Darren Beatty (39:29)

Well, I think first of all, and I'm with the Immigration Accountability Project, first of all, what we need to do is look at where the abuses are occurring. You know, we should not have indentured servitude in the United States of America in the 21st century. That's a simple fact. There has been all kinds of things thrown out on Twitter over the last week about how our education system is terrible. And that's the root of the problem. Well, if that's the case, then why are all these Indians and Chinese coming to American universities, graduating from American universities and then being put into American jobs? If employers are willing to hire foreign graduates of American universities, why won't they hire American graduates of American universities? These are things we need answers to. We have to have this conversation. And it can't be, you know, that the tech oligarchs can buy out the entire policy realm. The American people get a say in America. So, you know, this is not America is not a corporation that is designed solely to promote the enrichment of the owners and the managers. This is a nation. This is our home. We have a say. And whatever our public policy is, and immigration is public policy, it should benefit Americans, not just a certain class of them, not just the elites, which is what has happened for the last 30, 40, 50 years.

Stephen K. Bannon (41:01)

Rosemary, where do people get you at your new gig, your new organization that's looking for accountability? You've done all the analytical work for a couple of decades. Where do folks go, ma'am?

Darren Beatty (41:10)

Immigration. The Immigration Accountability project is@iaproject.org we're on X. All of our social media is linked from our website iaproject.org.

Stephen K. Bannon (41:24)

Thank you, ma'am. You're the best. Rosemary Jenks on a Friday morning, laying it down hard. What a warrior she is. Amazing. Long fight, long way to go, but we're going to win. Folks, just take a deep breath. We're on top of this. Home title lock. Don't we need you at the ramparts? We can't have you with somebody taking a second out of your home. The government already did it right with overspending hometitle lock.com band and get a free assessment right now. Do not let anybody get to that title and Monetize it. And also my Patriot supply. Always prepare for the future. Today my patriotsupply.com short break beatty brat next.

Laura Loomer (42:10)

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

Stephen K. Bannon (42:15)

By the way, this argument is just not for the MAGA base. This talks about our realignment like 1932. This goes to all Americans. Like that interview I gave this every American citizens involved in this conversation. This is our country, right? Many of you been here, six, seven generations have nothing to show for American citizens come first. The interest of American citizens come first always. That's where this debate's so important. It couldn't get Darren Beatty. We had technical problem with. Darren's going to join us on Saturday show. We'll get Darren up then. He's got a lot to say about this topic. Dave, Brad, your thoughts?

D.C. Drano (42:54)

Yeah.

I (42:55)

It's always immigration, isn't it? Immigration always shines the light on this corruption and leaving the American citizen behind. And so there's not the new oligarchs maximizing profits. All corporations maximizing profits. The way you can always tell what's going on here is if you're really going to put the American citizen first, right? If you're really going to pay attention to the voters who are moving our way. Black, brown, Hispanic, those in the middle class of America. Why do CEOs and the oligarchs only focus on engineers and STEM? There is no attention paid to the third graders in Chicago who are reading at a 12% literacy rate. If you care about America and you want to put America first, there's your answer. The reason it's easy is because between China and India you got 2.8 billion people. So it's a numbers game. Of course you're going to find some geniuses. If we would educate our own kids so that they can read in the third grade and then go on through the rest of school. We have plenty of talent in this country. It's a disgrace. So we're doing a. We're doing a paradigm shift. MAGA is a paradigm shift. Trump is a paradigm shift. We took out the majority leader with your help and Breitbart 12 years ago with Canter and all that over this issue. Immigration always cuts through the noise. The American people can clearly see who's on their side. When you're talking about culture, all of this fits under justice underneath the Judeo Christian west, these other countries and cultures. Name me a great university off the tip of your tongue in China or India. Great technical education. Yeah, blah, blah, blah. Let me see a system that works over the long Run China's cracking up. They will not have an economic system that's tied to morality like Raheem was just talking about. That's the key to the Judeo Christian West. We're seeing a paradigm shift like you've never seen before. We're going to get it right this time. Elon and Vivek, brilliant, smart guys, but they don't get to profit maximize at the expense of the American citizen. First.

Stephen K. Bannon (45:04)

Dave, where do people go to get all this great material from you on social media and your website?

I (45:10)

Yep, just brat Brat economics on getter. Great show today. Unreal.

Stephen K. Bannon (45:16)

Fantastic. We'll see you tomorrow. Dave's gonna be my co host tomorrow on the Saturday show. Brett, thank you so much. Thanks for hanging around, brother. Dave Bratt, unique voice. Remember he defeated Eric Cantor, first time majority leader in the history of this country. Ever been defeated in a primary. Dave Brat on the topic of, wait for it, immigration. Raheem Kassam, National Pulse. You guys have been putting up incredible pieces on this. Gavin Wax has got a piece. Will Upton yesterday broke it all down so people can understand exactly what we're talking about from the math. So make sure they're just not punitry. Where do people go for the National Pulse, brother?

Raheem Kassam (45:49)

Right, and that's the point, Steve, you know, this isn't just about complaints. You know, this show takes you through like where it all starts and how we actually get to the solution of this. And if you want to talk about, you know, special people, the Einstein's, all of that, you're not talking about H1B. So the whole conversation is a fraud and a farce and a scam to begin with. We have the article up, brilliant article by Will Upton up on the national pulse dot com. It's on the left sidebar in the analysis section. People should go check it out. If you want to support our work and get more of that kind of, of information out there. It's thenational pulse.com war room and I'm so grateful for everybody on the back of yesterday's Boxing Day special who joined up. Thenationalpulse.com War Room Raheem's all over this.

Stephen K. Bannon (46:36)

Topic and quite frankly, this is one of the reasons the German government's falling, this is the reason the French government's falling, this is the reason. Nigel Farage Historically the reform movement yesterday went over collapse of Tories and now the Reform Party has been around for a year or two, has now had more members than the Tory party. We'll talk about that Tomorrow with Rahim. Rahim, thank you for coming on. Thank you for the pieces. Everybody. Go to National Pulse. Check it out. Detailed analytical pieces. Gavin Wax, one of the leaders of this movement. Have a piece up in a while. Thank you, brother.

Raheem Kassam (47:07)

Yes, thank you.

Stephen K. Bannon (47:08)

What a fight. It's a fight. You got to have. Got to stick up for this thing, right? American citizens first. I don't care if you're African American, Hispanic, white. If your American citizen comes from India, it's not a problem. It's not a problem. You're an American citizen. This is about American citizen. This is about our sovereignty. And Laura Loomer is absolutely correct. We can't see this ground to anyone. This is the ground we're gonna fight because we're a country, not an economy. Mike Lindell, speaking of economy and IRS and people trying to put you out of business, sell me a pillow before the end of the year so that I can sleep comfortably and also help out my pillow, sir.

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