Episode 4170: The Bureaucratic Succession; "Seizing The Institutions

Summary

Bannon's War Room: Episode 4170 – "The Bureaucratic Succession; Seizing The Institutions"

Release Date: January 4, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Description: WAR ROOM: Pandemic is the first and most comprehensive program to bring the most up-to-the-minute information on the news of the day. Stephen K. Bannon brings medical experts, politicians, business leaders, and those on the front lines for a comprehensive look at the latest news from all angles and provides their insider insights.

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I. Republican Congress Dynamics and Trump's Influence

The episode opens with Chris Wallace discussing the internal dynamics of the newly elected Republican Congress, emphasizing the enduring influence of former President Donald Trump. Wallace highlights how Trump remains a pivotal figure, able to sway holdout Republicans through direct communication. For instance, Ralph Norman (Rep.) revealed that Trump reminded him of his support for Nikki Haley during the South Carolina primary, demonstrating Trump's enduring strategic relationships.

Chris Wallace [00:00]: “Norman also, by the way, said that Trump reminded him that he supported Nikki Haley as fellow South Carolina in the primary. Shows that Trump never really forgets these things.”

Despite Trump's influence, limitations to his power are evident. The rejection of his nominee, Matt Gates, for Attorney General and the resistance from 170 Republicans who defied his threat to primary members over a government funding bill underscore the challenges ahead.

II. Legislative Challenges and Deficit Neutrality

Steve Bannon delves into the complexities of legislative maneuvers within the Republican Party, particularly concerning budget reconciliation efforts. He stresses the importance of deficit neutrality in tax policies, advocating for strong offsetting cuts to ensure fiscal responsibility.

Chip Roy [02:23]: “There must be deficit neutrality. The border must get done and it shouldn't take till May, June, July. … tax policy must have strong offsetting cuts.”

This perspective is echoed by Nikki Haley, who criticizes the inconsistency in Republican commitments to deficit neutrality, especially when it comes to tax cuts for corporations versus working Americans.

Nikki Haley [03:54]: “What we'll do is… passlets aggress contradictcut signed, llenges are passing deficits… tax policy must have strong offsetting cuts.”

III. National Debt and Tax Policies

Nikki Haley raises alarms about the national debt, attributing substantial increases to Trump's administration while calling for significant spending cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid to balance tax cuts.

Nikki Haley [03:54]: “… there are only a few sources they can go in order to achieve that. It would be trillion-dollar cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.”

She underscores the urgency of addressing the debt to ensure fiscal sustainability, pointing out the disparity between rhetoric and actionable commitments within the party.

IV. Seizing the Institutions: Strategies and Challenges

Steve Bannon introduces the theme of "Seizing the Institutions," advocating for a comprehensive takeover of government agencies to implement Trump's agenda effectively. He emphasizes the need for immediate action to prevent bureaucratic resistance.

Steve Bannon [05:40]: “Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.”

The discussion highlights strategic moves, such as securing key appointments and ensuring alignment within the administrative framework to facilitate swift policy implementation.

V. Orders of Succession and Administrative State Resistance

A critical focus is placed on recent changes to the orders of succession released by the Biden administration. Colonel John Mills explains that these alterations could impede President Trump's ability to quickly assume control over key agencies, thereby allowing the "deep state" to resist policy changes.

Colonel John Mills [11:45]: “These orders of succession, if they are kept in place, are going to set who basically takes over that very instant that President Trump puts his hand on the Bible until our appointees are sworn in.”

Steve Bannon questions the timing and intent behind these changes, suggesting they are strategic moves to hinder the incoming administration's effectiveness.

Steve Bannon [20:27]: “They are trying to put their own careerist there… That is actually a Senate confirmed position… trying to stop President Trump's people from coming in and actually taking control.”

VI. Foreign Policy Concerns and Strategies

The episode addresses several international issues, including:

• South Korea's Political Turmoil: Bannon mentions a coup influenced by the Chinese Communist Party.
• Las Vegas Situation: Concerns over Chinese drones and technological intrusions.
• India's Dam Projects: Discussed as part of broader geopolitical strategies against Chinese advancements in Tibet.

Colonel John Mills advises strategic summits with Central American nations to manage immigration and enforce border security, emphasizing economic measures to compel cooperation.

Steve Bannon [05:49]: “… have a summit or a mini summit meeting ASAP with the frontline nations in Central America… they’re going to be forced to cooperate.”

VII. Awards and Symbolism: George Soros and Others

A controversial moment in the episode is the announcement of President Biden awarding the Presidential Medal of Freedom to George Soros and Hillary Clinton. Bannon vehemently criticizes this decision, labeling Soros as an "evil demonic creature" and questioning the legitimacy of such honors bestowed upon non-Americans.

Steve Bannon [28:17]: “… George Soros… getting the highest civilian award… he's an evil demonic creature… trying to take this country down.”

This act is portrayed as symbolic of the deep state's influence and the ongoing struggle against perceived globalist elites.

VIII. Inauguration Security and National Preparedness

With the inauguration imminent, Steven Bannon and Jack Posobiec discuss the necessity of heightened security measures. They express concerns over potential chaos, citing recent events in Las Vegas and the overall instability leading up to the transition.

Jack Posobiec [27:20]: “… chaos is escalating at a mass scale now… declare National Guard deployment for the national capital region.”

The emphasis is on proactive measures to ensure safety during the significant political transition.

IX. Modern Monetary Theory and Economic Policies

The episode briefly touches upon Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), with Bannon promoting a free installment of Birchgold's information packages to counteract economic strategies he views as detrimental. He warns of the implications of MMT on national finances and advocates for understanding its consequences.

Steve Bannon [43:39]: “Modern monetary theory ideas have consequences. Understand this idea and understand how we have to thwart it because quite frankly, there's still running our finances off of this.”

X. Conclusions and Final Thoughts

In closing, Steve Bannon reiterates the urgent need to "seize the institutions" to prevent the deep state from undermining Trump's agenda. He calls for immediate and decisive action to replace entrenched bureaucratic elements with loyalists committed to the party's core objectives.

Steve Bannon [49:19]: “You have to seize it by the throat. There is no turnover. They're not going to. They have no intention of turning over the levers of power of this government.”

The episode concludes with a rallying cry for Republicans to consolidate power, ensure smooth leadership transitions, and actively thwart opposition within governmental structures.

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Notable Quotes:

• Chris Wallace [00:00]: “Shows that Trump never really forgets these things.”
• Chip Roy [02:23]: “There must be deficit neutrality… tax policy must have strong offsetting cuts.”
• Nikki Haley [03:54]: “… passlets aggress contradictcut signed, challenges are passing deficits… tax policy must have strong offsetting cuts.”
• Steve Bannon [05:40]: “If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.”
• Colonel John Mills [11:45]: “These orders of succession… are going to set who basically takes over…”
• Steve Bannon [20:27]: “They are trying to stop President Trump's people from coming in and actually taking control.”
• Steve Bannon [28:17]: “… George Soros… trying to take this country down.”
• Jack Posobiec [27:20]: “… declare National Guard deployment for the national capital region.”
• Steve Bannon [43:39]: “Modern monetary theory ideas have consequences…”
• Steve Bannon [49:19]: “You have to seize it by the throat… they have no intention of turning over the levers of power of this government.”

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Conclusion

Episode 4170 of Bannon's War Room serves as a strategic deep dive into the Republican Congress's internal challenges, the lingering influence of Donald Trump, and the critical importance of legislative maneuvering to implement fiscal and immigration policies. The discussions underscore a pervasive concern about the "deep state" and the necessity for immediate action to "seize the institutions" to prevent bureaucratic resistance. Additionally, the episode highlights significant foreign policy tensions and symbolic gestures by the Biden administration that critics argue reinforce elitist and globalist agendas. As inauguration approaches, the emphasis remains on securing governance structures and ensuring a seamless transition aligned with the party's core objectives.

Transcript

[Chris Wallace]

Be a new Republican Congress, Chris, without a bit of drama and infighting. And yes, you're absolutely right, the Trump influence factor is a mixed bag. On one hand, yeah, he did get these two holdouts on the phone, Ralph Norman and Keith Self. Norman also, by the way, said that Trump reminded him that he supported Nikki Haley as fellow South Carolina in the primary. Shows that Trump never really forgets these things. He asked him, what do you want to close this deal? Mike has to be elected. He has to be elected. Norman told reporters that Trump wasn't really the issue for him, that he knew where Trump stood. He wanted assurances from Mike Johnson that he would fight on things that Trump says he wants on matters of border security, as well as cutting federal spending and cutting the budget, which Trump doesn't really seem to care that much about. Keith Sof as well said he was mostly frustrated by the way the last Congress went. And it seems like they were ultimately just making a point. Now, at the end of the day, Trump did get his wish. He did get these two ultimately on board after, you know, Mike Johnson held the vote open for an hour. But also over the last month, we've seen the limitations of Trump's power and Trump's influence as well. You mentioned the nominees he had, most notably Matt Gates for Attorney General, who the Senate quietly rejected. And Trump just kind of accepted the L and moved on. He threatened to primary Republicans who voted for a government funding bill last month without lifting the debt ceiling. And 170 Republicans defied him voted for that bill anyway. The House is going to be what makes or breaks Trump's agenda. Chris, the margin right now is 219 to 215. It's going to shrink further to 17 to 215, at least temporarily, while some of these Republicans, you know, leave the House to join Trump's administration. That means any one Republican, Tom Massie, the hard no on Mike Johnson or anybody else, Chip Roy, the hardline conservative, anyone can take down a bill. And I spoke to Speaker Mike Johnson just in the last hour or so, asked him what the plan is to move Trump's agenda and that so called big budget reconciliation package. He said early January, early January very soon is going to be when they start moving that budget bill. But he still wouldn't tell me whether it's going to be one bill or, or two bills. That is one of several divisions that Republicans face.

[Steve Bannon]

Now.

[Chris Wallace]

One other thing that Mike Johnson has been telling people, reminding people is that 60% of Republicans in this new Congress have never had a trifecta that's going to make it very difficult to teach them how messy governing is and the kind of compromises they need to make things work. Chris? All right.

[Steve Bannon]

By noon when you start talking to reconciliations, you get you had Jason Smith and those guys up there doing the three card money because they want to hide what's really in the tax part. Where are we going to be, sir?

[Chip Roy]

So my preference was, and I've been public about this, was two bills to do exactly what you just said. I want border security, I want energy. Let's reverse all the Biden crap, let's bank some wins, let's bank some savings and then use that to leverage and set up whatever we need to do on the overall mandatory spending cuts, that is, you know, reporting Medicaid and cutting SNAP and all that in exchange for what we're doing with respect to the tax relief and put that in a package. But now it looks like there might be a single bill approach. My standards are still going to be the same. There must be deficit neutrality. The border must get done and it shouldn't take till May, June, July. Right. Which is what they're risking doing by putting it in one package, making very clear that there's a block of us that are going to be watching very closely. We need to deliver. When you're talking about tax policy, we need all of that to be not just deficit neutral, but reducing deficits and not with made up growth rates, but with very specific recognition that whatever we do with tax policy must have strong offsetting cuts.

[Matt Gates]

Whatever we do with tax policy must have strong offsetting cuts. That isn't a rule that Republicans tend to attach to tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, they tend to attach that rule to anything that working Americans get. So if during COVID working Americans got a $600 check, Congress had to twist itself into into knots to get that done. But for corporations and the wealthy, guys like Chip Roy have less to say.

[Nikki Haley]

Yeah, let's not forget that the president in American history who added the most to the national debt is Donald Trump. He added more to the national debt in four years than almost every president had ever added, even those who served eight years. I like to say Republicans deeply care, passionately care about the national debt. When there's a Democrat in the White House, then when there's a Republican in the White House and they have an opportunity to pass through trillions of dollars worth of tax cuts, they couldn't care less. But if folks like Chip Roy, who I actually think Chip is one of the few who is Sincere when it comes to this debt issue. If they are going to really succeed in passing their agenda to dramatically bring down the size of the debt while at the same time passing trillions of dollars worth of tax cuts, there is only a few sources they can go in order to achieve that. It would be trillion dollar cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

[Jack Posobiec]

Why?

[Nikki Haley]

Because that is the vast majority of what the government spends on.

[Ezra Cohen]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.

[Steve Bannon]

Reasons I got a free shot.

[Ezra Cohen]

All these networks lying about the people.

[Steve Bannon]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Ezra Cohen]

I know you don't like hearing that.

[Steve Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.

[Chris Wallace]

You'Re not going to stop it.

[Steve Bannon]

It's going to happen.

[Chip Roy]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Nikki Haley]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Jack Posobiec]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. BANN.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Saturday 4, January in the year of our Lord 2025. The Congress, the House, the Republicans are out of Fort McNair. I believe right now. We're going to go into this, you saw from last night. And what happened in the interim is that a segment of the Freedom Caucus, 11 members, led by the Andy Biggs and the Chip Roys and the Eli Cranes and virtually everybody that comes on the show, friends of the show. And what I think Congressman Brendan Boyle right there, Pennsylvania said are the people that are sincere about trying to cut the debt and cut the deficit sent a letter putting Speaker Johnson on notice. And this is the important thing. They didn't do it before the vote. They want to have the vote. They want to have President Trump's back. But to be very specific, hey, President Trump, you're telling us this is your speaker, he's your guy. Then afterwards they sent a letter, which I'll get into a little bit later and put it up on the screen a little bit later, outlining what has to happen or they're going to come in and vote no and either shut this stuff down, the Rules Committee or force Johnson to have to use Democrats to pass these bills. Concepts you should start to get into your vernacular. Deficit neutrality actually being beyond deficit neutrality on tax cuts would have to be to actually take down, do actual taking down the deficit, not just neutrality, but making it smaller on and on and on. Very specific on spending cuts, very specific on how you handle the deficit, very specific about actions. We'll get into that. A lot going on. The key concept, as we told you yesterday, was rules. And a big couple of big changes on the rules yesterday and also reconciliation out of Fort McNair. They're going to come up with a strategy, either two bills or one, we're a very strong two bill proponent, to actually fire off the football with a very positive action on immigration on the border, on making sure there's enough funding for the border, border security and mass deportations, getting mass deportations done and having something codified that augments the executive orders. President Trump. The shock and awe that President Trump is going to go back to the original. We need not just a win. The country needs to get on with the process of the removal of the illegal alien invaders. Now, I have recommended they should have a summit or a mini summit meeting ASAP with the frontline nations in Central America to make sure that there's some sort of organized plan and agreement. And if there's not an agreement and there's some recalcitrant actors, then you start using tariffs and kind of economic measures to make sure that people understand there's not going to be, there's not a free shot on goal here. You're going to have to cooperate. You're going to be forced to cooperate. These are your folks and they're going to return to their homeland. So a lot going on at Fort McNair today. A lot going on as we're a couple of what, two weeks away, a little over two weeks away from President Trump taking the oath of office. Also, complete meltdown in South Korea. The situation in Las Vegas gets weirder and weirder. We have Jake Sullivan in India this weekend to talk to the Indian government about the dams the Chinese Communist Party are building in Tib. Jake Sullivan should understand. You guys got blown out, you lost. We don't need you anywhere else in the world. It's very intrusive. We're going to try to get Colonel Mills, Jack Posovic to join us on a whole raft of things that are going on there, particularly about these Chinese drones. I want to start though, with, okay, let's go back to our theory of the case. President Trump has these three big lines of stop the kinetic part of the third World War to begin the mass deportations and also handle, we believe, go to zero, a total moratorium on all immigration. We gotta get this sorted. It's gonna take time. Just go to Full stop right now. Other things related to like the two, the two reconciliation bills get very focused on the border, border security, deportations. The third, the finances. That's what this letter and what they're out of Fort Manier about the economy, tax cuts, rejuvenating the economy, getting some growth again. But also this debt. We have been a very strong component of seize the institutions. And part of that is to show that you're in charge of the driver of action. And this gets back to the confirmations. We believe the confirmations should start Tuesday. And particularly for people like Cash Patel and Pam Bondi, kind of the legal deep state apparatus. Chris Wray has to be fired immediately. Cash Patel. We don't need continuity of Cash Patel because they're going to try to drag Cash's confirmation out till July or August. Trust me, we got it. We got to get on with those asap. We got to get on with the Treasury Department asap. Department of Defense, asap. All of it. Action, action, action. We should be the driver of that. The Biden regime is doing everything possible in every different, playing around with the balance sheet and sending us a letter that we've hit the debt ceiling and you need extraordinary measures to all of it. But last night, you know, and you know when they've got something you want to bury, when they put it out after 5:00 on Friday. Ezra Cohen joins me now. Ezra was a senior intelligence official with President Trump in his first term, and hopefully, if prayers to heaven are answered, will be part of the second term. Ezra, please explain to me all these order of succession orders that came out and if Denver can put them up on the screen. I'm confused about what these are, why they came out in the middle of the night. Is this the Biden administration screwing with President Trump on actually President Trump's government.

[Colonel John Mills]

Well, thanks, Steve, for having me on again. Look, last night they pushed out 11 changes to orders of succession, and that is at 12:01 on January 20th. All of the Biden political appointees are gonna be out the door. And these orders of succession, if they are kept in place, are going to set who basically takes over that very instant that President Trump puts his hand on the Bible until our appointees are sworn in. If you look at some of the agencies that they changed up the order of succession, you've got USAID going all the way back to 2008, but then you've got treasury on there. 2016 was the previous one. Justice, 2017, DHS, 2016. So they're really trying to Restructure who is going to be in charge the second that President Trump takes the oath of office. You know, look, you and I both know from the first term it's orders of succession. Like these is how we got stuck with people like Sally Yates who refused to defend the counterterrorism immigration ban. So, you know, this stuff really matters and we've gotta be on top of it because this is how they're gonna blunt us. As we hit the beach on January 20th.

[Steve Bannon]

I want to go back over this. I'm going to hold you through the break. An order of succession. You have political appointees and you have two types of political appointees. Of the 4,000 total, you have 3,000 that can hit the beach immediately. Just needs a security clearance. No confirmation from the Senate. A thousand roughly are Senate confirmed. All the political appointees, regardless of confirmed or not confirmed, are essentially terminated at high noon on the 20th when the President takes the oath. It's now he's relieved the watch. In a naval term, he's relieved the watch. You get rid of all their political appointees. This order of succession is the Biden regime then coming out and saying these are permanent government employees. These are not political appointees that are part of the administrative and, or deep state. And whatever the department is, whether it's the Treasury Department, whether it's usa, D, State, Defense, this is the order of succession in which they, they go. I want to, I'm going to hold you because I want to give you enough Runway to explain. Why do we need an order of succession? Why do we need this entire thing? What is this up to? And why did they put 11 out in essentially the middle of the night? Two weeks, roughly two weeks from President Trump. President Trump comes and takes the oath of office. Do not. The illegitimate Biden regime has been illegitimate from when they stole the 2020 election full stop. And now a majority of the American people know and understand this. This whole scandal that's come up about how long they knew he was infirmed and hit it, okay? It's all part of the same thing. And now they're essentially refusing to go. Jake Sullivan is in India. Why is Jake Sullivan in India talking to anybody? Jake Sullivan should be talking to the movers is who he should be talking about. Short break.

[Ezra Cohen]

It's obvious the unthinkable continues. Most Americans know something is very, very wrong. The people in charge keep telling you that everything's fine and to stop noticing.

[Steve Bannon]

But you know better.

[Ezra Cohen]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

With the situation that's going on in Las Vegas and the quite startling revelations that are coming out there. Pesopa is going to join us in a second. It goes. And also tying it back to the fact they haven't been straightforward or come out with any real information on these drones in New Jersey. They have not everything they've done. There's totally misleading information, confusing information coming out of the situation in New Orleans and Houston. This illegitimate regime from the beginning hasn't acted in order for us to show it any respect or to understand what it's trying to do, except to try to destroy this republic. It's an illegitimate regime. From the beginning its actions have been illegitimate and now both. I don't know what Jake Sullivan is doing in India. You got blown out in the election. Put your pencils down and focus on getting out, cleaning up your office, getting a new residence, or doing whatever you gotta do. But you're leaving. You should not be engaging our allies in any types of discussions. I don't know why you're in India. The dams that are being built in Tibet will be a fault of President Trump and his team to deal with as they're dealing with the kinetic war that you basically instigated in Ukraine that's lost 1.7 million people killed or wounded, the situation in the Middle east, the horrible situation on our border, all the messes President Trump is going to have to clean up and it's a nightmare. But he will figure it out. But there's something. So they're not to be trusted because their actions over the last four years, including how they stole the 2020 election, you can't trust them. So Ezra Cohen and you're the pros. Pro. I was stunned when I Saw this last night. The orders of succession. What? Hang on for a second. What are they doing here? Why are they putting out these executive orders? Why does this need clarity? And I understand President Trump, with a stroke of a pen, can get rid of it, but it's one, it's a little more complicated than that. And number two, they're sending a signal to the apparatus. They are sending a signal to the administrative state and to the deep state. And they understand that one of our top priorities is the deconstruction of the administrative state and the eradication, once and for all, of the deep state that has done so much damage to our beloved republic. So, Ezra, once again, what is an order of secession? Why would it even come out? Who are these people? Why is it going? A certain order. How did they pick this? And who's in back of it, sir?

[Colonel John Mills]

Yeah. So first of all, Steve, I mean, each of these agencies, I think it's just to be very clear, all of them, except for one, already had standing orders of succession, some of them going back to 2000. So you've really got to wonder why, like you said on Friday in January, less than 20 days before the inauguration, they had to make a big move to change these Again, There is going to be a lag between the time that President Trump takes the oath of office and when we get our people in the door at these key agencies. It's not going to be instantaneous. Just to be realistic, we can look at the first term. There's going to be delays in the Senate. There's going to be. They're going to try to delay with people, people's security clearances, and there's a whole other litany of ways that they're going to try to frustrate us in those first few weeks. I mean, I think, if you recall, Steve, just to go back to 2017, day three, I think, of the administration when we went over to CIA, where President Trump gave that monumental speech, if you recall, when we were heading over there, we didn't actually know who was in charge of CIA until we showed up. And that who's in charge in that kind of intervening transition period is set by the orders of succession. So these are extremely important documents. We've got to go through and analyze these ones that came out last night and really try to figure out who are they trying to push us to. To be in charge of these agencies. I think that that's going to be very revealing.

[Steve Bannon]

You're absolutely correct. So this is that interim period in case anything, anything happens. My Understanding. I don't think maybe some of the landing teams, I don't think there's been a broad discussion with the Trump team about this. That would be unusual. Right. There doesn't seem to be any real. And look, I know the people working on it may disagree, but from a general 60,000 foot, I'm not feeling a ton of cooperation, although Biden says he's doing a ton of cooperation between the Biden illegitimate Biden regime and President Trump's new team. And that's why I think dumping this on a Friday night, I would have hoped they would have run this by President Trump and actually had a briefing with President Trump's inner circle about this. Do you have any idea whether that happened or not?

[Colonel John Mills]

I don't. But again, these orders go back. Some of them go back to 2017, 2008. Right. So the fact that they're changing them now is highly alerting. Also, some of the ones that are on the list, I mean, these are important agencies, but they're not the most important. For instance, usagm, why are they changing the order of succession at US agm? I mean, to me, that's obviously where Carrie Lake's going in. So it seems to me maybe they're trying to prep the environment to make it even more difficult for her.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes. What they're trying to do is put theirthey're trying to put their own careerist there to make it remember she goes to voa, which is a subset of that. That is actually a Senate confirmed position. They're going to try to drag out Kerry Lake getting into VOA forever. The last thing they want is President Trump's people. Michael Paak, my friend who has put up to head up USGAM was three years. He didn't get confirmed until three years into the process. And it was Mitch McConnell, but it was also the apparatus they tried to bleed out. Michael Pack, these people cannot be trusted on anything. So when you see something like this, you understand that this is all they're trying to, you know, go on record and say, oh, we told you about that. We did this. But this is all to try to stop President Trump's people from coming in and actually taking control of my mantra. Seize the institutions. This is the illegitimate regime, the administrative state and the deep state fighting back, is it not, sir?

[Colonel John Mills]

Yeah, absolutely. And look, a lot of people are out there saying, you know, Trump can just come in and get rid of these EO's. But, you know, Steve, you and I both know in reality it's a little bit more Complicated than that. Right. I mean, there will be a delay for each of to change each of these because it's gotta go to DOJ for review and you're gonna have people there that are gonna throw up. Ob and you and I have been through this before. And I think the other example I'll use, which is just a key example of this from the first term, is we had holdovers at the NSC who ended up stealing President Trump's the first two years of his term. The president should have been able to send those people back to their home agencies with a stroke of a pen. But you and I both know, despite the fact that he ordered to do that, it took two years for that to happen. So again, don't underestimate, and I think this is what you were saying earlier this week, do not underestimate the measures that the permanent bureaucratic state, the permanent national security state, and frankly the outgoing Biden administration are going to use to try to blunt our attack on January 20th.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, we're talking about the detailees. Remember the NSC at the time, like 75% of the people were detailees from the interagency and from different agencies. They were all embeds of Obama and Bush. Anti. It's totally 100% anti America first. Rich Higgins, the brave Rich Higgins actually did a memo, detailed memo. McMasters got it and used that to run Higgins out of the White House. President Trump actually told McMasters in front of me, I want to execute on Higgins thing. I want to get rid of all these people. And McMasters didn't do it. He did not carry out an order from the commander in Chief. Flat out just dragged his feet. And if you go back and look at the list that Higgins gave, it's the top crew of the impeachment that took place around Ukraine. Right. Higgins knew immediately who the bad actors were and get him out of there. But the apparatus will always fight back. They will. If the president makes a decision, don't think it's immediately executed upon. This is why you have to force your will through the entire apparatus. Also, what Ezra's telling you is more inside baseball. It's quite important for this audience to understand when you come up with an executive order to make sure it's constitutional. The Justice Department has an internal law firm, the Office of Legal Counsel. It's basically the law firm internal to the Justice Department that is on all executive orders. You have to go through OLC and they write essentially an opinion. Like if you were doing a deal and needed a fairness opinion from a white shoe law firm. They would write a fairness opinion about your deal after doing due diligence. These guys write opinions. When we did the. As you remember, Ezra, you were very involved with it. We did the travel ban, right? The very first one included the Muslim nations, included Iraq, you know, Madison. These guys went nuts. But we had had the olc, had given us an opinion. We knew it was constitutional because their purpose is to come back and say, hey, this is not constitutional. You have to change these things. They gave us a clean bill of health on that. It took a while. It takes a while to do this. We had worked on that for a couple of months. I think we dropped it in the first 10 days or the first weekend of the administration. But we had an OLC opinion. It does take time and it takes work. This is why President Trump was so confident. He goes, hey, I don't mind going to the Supreme Court on this thing. And guess what happened? Much later, the Supreme Court upheld President Trump's travel ban because why we had gone to OLC and gotten an opinion. Your point is just don't think Trump can sign an executive order the first day. You got to get osc. And this is why I'm advising the Trump transition right now. He's got to get on top of this. Because these guys couldn't be more in your face, Ezra, that they intend to contest every inch of ground on this deconstruction of the administrative state and the destruction of the deep state, they're going to contest every inch. Ezra, if you can hang on for a second, I'm gonna go to break and I wanna bring Jack Bosovic in. If you can hang on, hang on a second. I just gotta go to break. Birchgold.com, we've released the Modern Monetary Theory, the sixth free installment of this monumental effort. Given everything that's happened in Fort McNair, everything you saw in the coal open about deficit neutrality, taking down the debt, making sure tax cuts pay for each other, all of that complexity gets back to a core issue of kind of what is money, right? What is the concept of this? What is this theory about why people felt for decades they could spend so much money and not really have to be accountable for it? Modern Monetary theory, the idea that broke the world, it's now [e-mail] Bannon if you want to get to a Birchgold, their information packages, just go to your phone, text Bannon B A N N O N at 989-898. Do it today. Jack Posovic Ezra Cohen, Colonel John Mills. On the other side.

[Jack Posobiec]

Here'S your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, while you're here in the war room, while the Republican conferences at Fort McNair are working out the critical path of how this is going to go, Biden has at the White House today is going to give the Presidential Medal of Freedom. It's the highest civilian award. The highest award your nation can bestow on somebody is being given to George Soros today. Not making that up, just announced. That's how proud of it they were. They didn't like announce it three weeks ago or three months ago. Today, George Soros at the White House, that evil demonic creature is going to get your nation's highest award. Hillary Clinton is also. He gave the second highest award to Benny Thompson, who had asked for a preemptive blanket pardon for January 6th. And of course, he gave one to Liz Cheney. The second highest award. This just goes to show the illegitimacy of this regime to give George Soros, who's not even an American, right? Oh, Steve is. He's got American citizenship. I don't care if he's got American citizenship. He can have the papers like Murdoch. They don't make him Americans. Trust me. This guy is as evil as they got. He's spread evil all over the world. He's trying to take this country down, try to destroy it. He's getting the highest civilian award today by Biden. Ezra Cohen, you've got some other breaking news. You inform me Ezra's on top of everything. You inform me that it's just not Jake Sullivan. Jake Sullivan is in India, which may be our most important strategic partner in back of, in front of maybe even Australia and Japan. Of course, South Korea is having a coup right now. Chinese Communist Party inspired, that's imploding. He's in India talking about the dams that the Chinese Communist Party building at Tibet. But you've got even worse news, sir. What do you got about where they are this weekend?

[Colonel John Mills]

Well, Steve, it's not just Jake that's headed off to India. We've also got Lloyd Austin, who's heading off to Germany this week for I guess his final meeting of the Ukrainian contact group. So they're really going up towards the end trying to push all of these international initiatives. And really, again, this is all about setting the table for President Trump in the way that they want. And I think that's the best way to think about it. They are trying to set this up to set the board to try to constrain him for the first few months of his administration. And look, I just want to tie back these two foreign trips to what we were talking about before. The people that are developing the policy positions for Lloyd Austin's trip, for Jake Sullivan's trip at the nsc. Those people, unless President Trump and his team take action, are going to be in Place after 12:01. They are not going to change. And so that means, and look, it's not personal, but these civil servants have spent four years working with the Biden team, pushing a very specific initiative. They've probably become very personally tied to that, that we got to change up the way that they're setting the table so that we don't get constrained and we aren't forced into acting the way that they want President Trump to act. I think that's really the key thing.

[Steve Bannon]

Ezra, you're too much of a professional and too much of a gentleman, cuz I know you very well to say they're also over there saying, hey, the Trump guys are just blown through town. You're going to have your contacts, they're still going to be there. The policies, no matter what Trump says, no matter what Trump and his people try to do. Just like the NATO situation in 17. Right? The serious situation in 17. I mean, you were there with us every day. You saw exactly how they did it. It's not going to change. This is like a fever that's going to go away. And our contacts, the administration of deep state contacts with the Ukrainian working group, the Ukrainian contact group with the, the Indian Special Security, that'll be, actually, we'll weld those together. Don't worry about what's going to happen. Just nod with what the Trump guys are going to say. This is, this is how the administrative state works. This is why you have to deconstruct it. This is why you must destroy the deep state. This is why we have to get the confirmations. We have to get them now and not wait. They're going to, they're going to slow walk you and tap you along. This is why it has to be action, action, action, urgency, urgency, urgency. You have to press it, you have to wait for it, seize the institutions. If you don't seize the institutions, they're going to seize the initiative. And once those big apparatuses, just the way they work, once they get on offense or seize it, they've blunted you. It is virtually impossible for just a handful of individuals to turn it around because they have the, they have the sacred interagency process of which they can blunt anything just by Doing that, which is the approval of all the different agencies. It is quite. They've built, look, they control the greatest, most powerful nation in the history of the earth. Not today, not modern times, the history of the earth. And they ain't just going to give it up. You don't think so? Look at the 11 succession orders they put out last night, Friday night, in the middle of the night. Look at that. Look at where Lloyd Austin is today. Look at Jake Sullivan is today. Look at what Biden's doing with George Soros. Getting the highest civilian medal of your nation. The highest civilian medal. The equivalent on the civilian side of the Congressional Medal of Honor. The equivalent on the civilian side of the Congressional Medal of Honor. George Soros in the White House today, Hillary Clinton. That's bad enough, but that is so secondary to this evil, demonic, satanic figure. So they're showing you right now, folks, if you need it. And you know, people say abandon, you're always hairs on fire. Hey, they ain't giving it up. They don't care about Donald Trump coming in here on the 20th. They don't care who he brings. They don't care. They say, hey, he's going to stay here for four years. And by the way, if somebody, J.D. vance or somebody succeeds him in the afternoon 28, they don't care about that either. They're going to do what they're going to do until you stop it. Until it's stopped, it's going to continue. It is outrageous that General Austin is in talking to the Ukraine guys today in Germany. It's outrageous that Jake Sullivan's there. It shows you they ain't leaving. They made the individual characters may go off the stage, but essentially they're not leaving. Ezra, where do we go to get your social media, sir. And people can follow you even more now more than ever.

[Colonel John Mills]

Yeah, it's Ezra A. Cohen on X. And Steve, just one last thing. I want to put a point on that. They're going to come out and say that President Trump trying to change this up is going against the norm. But I think it's really important for everybody to know Biden, when he came in on January 2021, he effectively threw out the entire NSC, including the civil servants that were there and restarted. So it can be done and it's not at all outside the norm.

[Steve Bannon]

No. And look, hey, they represent the deep safety apparatus. They know how to roll. They bottom blow it immediately what, what we tried to do and should have done if we were more forceful, I will take responsibility for that. We should have been more forceful in 17. Remember on the very first weekend. Ezra, don't ever let it be forgotten. They the first phone calls we had with foreign leaders, with the President of Mexico and the President of Australia, the Prime Minister of Australia were leaked where the next day in the Washington Post. This is how much they concern. This is how much the apparatus in the deep state, the administrative state is concerned about national security. And here's what they're concerned for the good of this nation. They took highly, highly secured, highly confidential at the highest security clearance level. And they leaked the entire transcripts, they leaked the entire transcripts to the Washington Post on the call in Mexico, to the Mexican President and to the Prime Minister of Australia, which highly classified material is being discussed. This is how they roll. They play smash mouth. And now we have to play smash mouth. Ezra, you're a patriot and a hero. Sir, appreciate you coming on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Ezra, taking Saturday away from the family, another guy, Jack Bosobic. Ezra and Jack have young children. Jack, appreciate you coming on, brother. And Tanya Tay letting you have a couple minutes. First I gotta ask you about this. The succession order, the administrative state, Austin in Germany, Blinken in or not Blinken, Jake Sullivan, even worse. I guess not worse as bad in India. Talking about Tibet. What is your sense about. And your old nemesis, George Soros. George Soros in the frickin White House today getting the civilian equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor. Your thoughts, Jack Posic?

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, Steve, I think it's a, it's a clarifying situation and I actually applaud it. I applaud the fact that Joe Biden is finally admitting who's been in charge this entire time. And the real head of the entire administration that we've been under, not just since the events of 2020. And by the way, we know that Monday, an auspicious anniversary, the anniversary of January six will come up. And I believe that this Monday's will go properly that from 2021 all the way through now and then as well, from 2008 to 2016, the people who have been charged of the United States administration have been these crooked members of the globalist elite. And yes, we are talking about the Clinton, yes, we're talking about the Obamas and yes, we're talking about the crooked Soros family and everyone that they are involved with. They're the people who have been in charge. They're the people have been calling the shots when Joe Biden was catatonic. And everybody's running around saying who's really in Charge. Is it Jill? Is it, Is it Sullivan? Is it Blinken? No, it hasn't been any of those people. Look at Jake Sullivan. That guy couldn't find his way out of a paper bag. These are your actual leaders? What do they call it? The rules based international order? Yes. They're the ones who are coming to the White House. So I appreciate that now at this final moment. I hope Zelensky comes too, by the way, that now at this final moment that they are finally admitting who's really been in charge the entire time.

[Steve Bannon]

Dr. Bradley Thayer working in the engine room today informs me to tell you, Jack, that Blinken's off to Japan, France and South Korea. Your thoughts? They're fully deploying the entire thing, folks. This is up in Trump's grill. They're going around at the end and they're telling people, don't worry about Trump, don't worry about the crazies, don't worry about Pete Hegseth or Ratcliffe, or don't worry about Cash Patel. We've got this. We're just taking a step back for a second. What is your thoughts about Blinken now? They got the whole thing covered. Blinken to Japan, France and South Korea. You've got Jake Sullivan in India, Austin over in Germany talking about Ukraine. Your thoughts?

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, Steve, Steve, I'm gonna issue a warning right now for the entire war room posse that if you think that just because we're gonna get the votes on January 6th and President Trump's gonna stand there on January 20th and he's gonna recite the oath of office and he's gonna be brought back in. If you think that they are not setting traps, if they are not setting plans, if they are not putting their operatives in place, who's the next Vindman? Who's the next Eric Caramella? Who's the next CIA spook that's going to come out and try to launch another impeachment operation, you've already got people out there running around accusing the President Trump of committing war crimes back in 2019 and citing UN reports and putting this all out. So hold on, hold on a second. What are they doing, Steve? It's very clear they're going around to shore up their allies of what I just said, international rules based order. And then they are setting impediments, traps, obstacles, challenges in place for President Trump and for the administration, for ultimately the agenda of the American people. They do not want this agenda passed. And they're going to do everything they can, both here internally, domestically, but also internationally. So of course. Who are they going around to? The Five Eyes partners, the same way that we saw Five Eyes go after Trump in 2016 and 2017. And now they're going around to all the outside allies, well, Japan, South Korea, etc. Etc. They're going to say, hey, we know that. We know that it looks like there's new management coming back in, but you know who's really in charge. And don't you wait four more years. We're going to be right back in. That's what's going on. They're trying to set up Trump.

[Steve Bannon]

Jack, hang on for one second. I want to get to, I want to get to Vegas and some other things are happening. But I do want to pick your brain one more time. And this George Soros, George Soros is going to be at the White House to be awarded the highest civilian award of your nation today. And Jack's saying the scales are coming off. Right. The great unmasking continues. Warpath coffee. Go there right now, check it out. Put in warpath, get a 15% discount or put in war room, you get a 15% discount. This is the best coffee ever made. Don't trust me? Trust the 6,000 5 star reviews. Do it now. Short break.

[Jack Posobiec]

We will. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Modern monetary theory is out today. It's free. You need to have it right now. On fox. Chad Pergrim, one of the great reporters over there, is always online putting up great stuff on Fox. House Freedom Caucus Chair Harris says Trump's push for one big reconciliation bill for many of his legislative priorities, quote, can't be the first order of business, unquote. Harris says it took months on 2017 tax cut. If that's what President Trump wants, he's going to have to wait until the summer for it to get all ironed out. Says he supports breaking up. That's the Warren's position. He's got to do two. Whoever's telling President Trump one is actually going to grind this second term down to a halt. You got to get the first one done first. You got to get border energy done. Maybe throw some defense in there. Burch gold go now. You want to be in the fight, you're going to be in the fight. You've changed the direction of human history and American history. You this audience. One of the ways we've done it is to get you a smart. You are more loaded for bear than people on Capitol Hill. Modern monetary theory ideas have consequences. Understand this idea and understand how we have to thwart it because Quite frankly, there's still running our finances off of this posobec. Once again, just, just let's hear rewind. Today, without any announcement, just the last second, he's sore. George Soros is going to go to the White House and be awarded the civilian equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor. Your thoughts, sir?

[Jack Posobiec]

Steve, this is an important clarifying moment for our republic. It is a clarifying moment for the war room posse. It is also, by the way, a verification for the war room posse. We have been right the entire time when we said that it seems like our government is being sold out to foreign interests. When it seems like the empire's interests benefit the elites, when they don't benefit the people at home, when they, these imperial special interests seem to benefit the elites of Brussels or Wall street or the U.S. chamber of Commerce or all of these various tech programs, et cetera, et cetera. Not to mention the wars that have been fought on the periphery of the empire to expand the international rules based order. We were told, no, we're crazy, we're conspiracy theorists, we got tinfoil on. And then all of a sudden here we are in the waning days of, of the last imperial presidency. We get this notification, really just a report. There's no announcement. There's been no official. Karine Jean Pierre isn't going up and giving some big statement about this. We get this announcement that there is an award that is going to the people that have been calling the shots the entire time. And so I hope that the war room posse takes a look at this. They're spitting in your face on the way out. The way that they spit on the flag, the way they spit on the graves of the honored dead. Abigail, all the others, you, they're laughing at you and they're telling you the same way that they're sending all their operatives all around the world to India, to South Korea, to Japan, France, Europe, all the European vassals that you're going to stay in the vassal status. Trump's only going to be here four years and this is an aberration and we're going to turn the tide all the way back. That's what's going on. They're telling you will be back.

[Steve Bannon]

Vassal status, protectorate status. They come out with the orders of secession last night. They give the award to, they give the award to source in Clinton, Hillary Clinton today in the White House. They've got, they've got Blinken in Asia, they've got Jake Sullivan in India, they got Austin in Germany about Ukraine. They're spitting in your face. In the Trump news term, got to wake up to the fact that these guys have no intention of turning anything over, anything meaningful. They want your second term to be totally performative and they're digging in hard. And if they dig in hard, we got to dig them out harder. Get the trenching tools ready because we're going to dig these people out. It's not going to be like last time. Jack, I know you got to get back to the family just real quickly. Got a couple minutes. This situation in Vegas is mind blowing about what's going on and what's being released. I know you've got a great sense of things, particularly Chinese drones and technology and Chinese drones. They're trying to say this guy's despondent, but I'm seeing videos where he's driving the car saying he's Batman. Give us your assessment, how should we filter this? Because more information is going to come out, I'm sure, over the weekend, sir.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, I've seen the videos that have come out. I've seen the email that was reported on a recent podcast as well as the email that was put out from the Las Vegas Sheriff's Department saying that they got a completely separate email that doesn't mention any of the information that's in the first email that was found apparently on the guy's phone in the Tesla. Look, I'm going to issue a statement to just everybody they. Frosty Dave, Frosty, I'm Jack Frost over here on all this stuff and ask questions, ask questions of should we trust the United nations which gets cited in this email. Should we trust any of these various things that are being cited. Should we trust any word of this which isn't provided with any information. Look, if you're gonna. And if you're gonna sit there, by the way, and at one point they're accusing US Soldiers under President Trump of war crimes. All right, you know we're gonna do that. You better back that up with evidence. And I'm not talking about just some basic flimsy, oh, will we talk to a guy and said, no, no, no, show me the evidence that proves a war crime. So that's number one with the rest of it, though. Look, this type of technology is out there. I'm not saying it isn't, but we've got counter technology as well. What it really comes down to, regardless of what anyone thinks is going on with that Vegas situation, which, you know, looks to me like clearly a guy who clearly guy was in the right state of mind, that we've got an inauguration coming up in 16 days. In 16 days. And the chaos is escalating. You are seeing chaos escalation at a mass scale now. And I have haven't yet to see a final security report or any kind of security briefing from Washington D.C. from Mayor Bowser, from new Speaker John, New Speaker Johnson. No days off between now and inauguration Day. You have the ability to declare National Guard deployment for the national capital region. And by the way, not just dc, not just this where I'm saying national capital region, period. Make it happen. Keep the people safe. Because thousands of families, mine included, are going to be there for that auspicious occasion.

[Steve Bannon]

Where do we go to follow you on social media over the weekend, brother?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, we're up on X. You know, we're, we're dishing it out, of course, if people want to go listen. By the way, the Chronicles of the Christian series is up. It did very, very well on the podcast side. All about Christian history and understanding who we are as a Western civilization and the fact that, that Christianity has always been at the center of it.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, brother. Thank Tanya for letting you go for an hour to join us.

[Jack Posobiec]

God bless.

[Steve Bannon]

You have to seize it by the throat. There is no turnover. They're not going to. They have no intention of turning over the levers of power of this government. And anybody that thinks that they're prepared to do it are sadly mistaken. We're at a political war. They have no, they don't care about November 5th. They're fascist. Don't think they're fascist. They had George Soros in the White House. The White House. I guess Clinton already, you know, Bill Clinton told you what he thought about the sacred nature of the White House. George Soros the other day getting the highest civilian award possible. Short break.

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