Episode 4189: Failures Of Newsom

Summary

Bannon's War Room: Episode 4189 – Failures of Newsom

Release Date: January 13, 2025

In Episode 4189 of Bannon's War Room, hosted by Stephen K. Bannon from WarRoom.org, the primary focus centers on criticizing California Governor Gavin Newsom's handling of the state's wildfire crisis. The episode delves into various facets of the disaster, Newsom's leadership, national security issues, and broader economic concerns, including the national debt and bond market instability.

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1. California Wildfires and Governor Newsom's Response

The episode opens with Johnny Khan recounting his personal experience with the devastating wildfires that ravaged his neighborhood in Pacific Palisades. Khan emphasizes the lack of adequate response from state authorities:

• Johnny Khan [00:40]: “If they had some fire trucks, just put a squirt here, a squirt there and kept an eye on things. All these houses would be here now.”

Khan criticizes Newsom for what he perceives as ineffective management and misallocation of resources. He highlights the dependence on private sector efforts to combat the fires due to the state's failure:

• Johnny Khan [02:29]: “The state has cataclysmically failed the overtaxed taxpayers of Southern California… what they’ve been paying for, for so long when in this absolute hour of need, the state has really dropped the ball.”

Stephen K. Bannon further questions the governor's preparedness and decision-making, suggesting that military resources were underutilized:

• Stephen K. Bannon [11:16]: “Are they, is Gavin Newsom on top of this thing to actually get the right resources there?”

Khan also lambasts Newsom’s law enforcement policies, linking relaxed regulations to increased arson:

• Johnny Khan [12:00]: “There’s been a number of citizens that have apprehended some very shady looking people setting additional fires… in Gavin Newsom's California, you can steal just under $1000 and not be charged with a felony.”

2. Chinese Cyber Threats to American Infrastructure

Transitioning from local governance issues, Bannon addresses national security concerns, particularly focusing on Chinese cyber threats. He underscores the severity of the threat to American civilian critical infrastructure:

• Stephen K. Bannon [04:24]: “Of every major nation combined, and has stolen more of Americans personal and corporate data than that of every nation, big or small combined.”

The discussion details how Chinese malware has infiltrated critical systems like water treatment plants, transportation, energy sectors, and telecommunications, posing significant risks of real-world harm:

• Johnny Khan [05:14]: “The Chinese have already insinuated malware into critical American infrastructure. That's correct.”

3. Cabinet Confirmations and Political Maneuvering

Bannon shifts focus to the impending confirmation of cabinet nominees, highlighting the contentious process and anticipated obstacles. He discusses key figures like Pete Hegseth and the challenges they might face:

• Stephen K. Bannon [25:58]: “Pete Hegseth is one of the more unconventional because you're really taking it from the warrior caste and not going to one of these senior executive, senior member of Congress or a former flag officer.”

Johnny Khan advocates for strong, merit-based leadership in the military, criticizing the current administration's focus on diversity over lethality:

• Johnny Khan [27:30]: “We need a military that is a large, snarling, a very scary organism that our enemies actually not just respect, but fear.”

4. National Debt and Bond Market Turmoil

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the escalating national debt and the instability in the bond market. Bannon and his guests analyze the implications of rising interest rates and the government's inability to sustain its debt:

• Johnny Khan [43:09]: “The American people understand it. It's going to be a lot more in the future.”

The discussion parallels personal debt management to national financial strategies, illustrating how bond market challenges are impacting everyday Americans:

• Johnny Khan [50:19]: “I think it's $7 trillion we know already has to be refinanced in this coming year with Scott Bessant. It's going to be a herculean task.”

5. The Ukrainian Conflict and U.S. Foreign Policy

The episode critiques both the Biden administration and President-elect Trump’s potential strategies regarding the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. There is an evident frustration with prolonged engagement and ineffective support:

• Johnny Khan [33:59]: “The Ukrainians have not been able to put more manpower in the field. They are running out.”

Bannon questions the strategic direction, suggesting that Trump’s approach would differ fundamentally from Biden’s:

• Johnny Khan [35:06]: “The aid that we have given to Ukraine thus far will look like peanuts.”

6. Call for Elon Musk to Lead California's Recall Effort

Amidst the criticism of Newsom, Bannon and Khan propose unconventional solutions, including the controversial suggestion of Elon Musk leading a recall effort to oust the governor:

• Johnny Khan [17:55]: “I think Elon Musk should lead a recall effort against Gavin Newsom… I would rather have 1% of Elon Musk's brain dedicated to fixing California than 100% of the Democratic Party of California.”

Khan argues that Musk’s business acumen and vested interest in California’s success make him a suitable candidate to rectify the state’s crises.

7. Upcoming Executive Actions and Legislative Moves

Bannon outlines the incoming Trump administration's agenda, dubbed the "Days of Thunder" preamble, which includes executive orders and significant legislative actions aimed at addressing national debt, immigration deportations, and foreign policy:

• Stephen K. Bannon [52:42]: “The three big efforts… is the ending the kinetic part of the third World War, deportations, and the debt and deficit.”

He emphasizes the urgency of these actions to stabilize the nation’s economic and security situation.

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Notable Quotes

• Johnny Khan [00:40]: “If they had some fire trucks, just put a squirt here, a squirt there and kept an eye on things. All these houses would be here now.”
• Gavin Newsom [01:12]: “We would spend another month. I'm very familiar with them.”
• Johnny Khan [12:00]: “In Gavin Newsom's California, you can steal just under $1000 and not be charged with a felony.”
• Stephen K. Bannon [04:24]: “Of every major nation combined, and has stolen more of Americans personal and corporate data than that of every nation, big or small combined.”
• Johnny Khan [27:30]: “We need a military that is a large, snarling, a very scary organism that our enemies actually not just respect, but fear.”
• Johnny Khan [17:55]: “I think Elon Musk should lead a recall effort against Gavin Newsom… I would rather have 1% of Elon Musk's brain dedicated to fixing California than 100% of the Democratic Party of California.”

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Conclusion

Episode 4189 of Bannon's War Room is a fervent critique of Governor Gavin Newsom's administration, particularly its handling of California's wildfire crisis. The discussion extends beyond local governance, touching upon national security threats, economic instability, and the strategic direction of the incoming Trump administration. By integrating personal anecdotes, political analysis, and urgent calls to action, the episode serves as a rallying point for listeners dissatisfied with current leadership and seeking substantial change.

Transcript

[Johnny Khan]

The house was built by my mother and father in 1960, and I lived.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here my whole life.

[Johnny Khan]

So there's a lot of memories here, and I think I owed it to them as well to try my best to save it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Some things in life are worth fighting for.

[Johnny Khan]

I mean, if I were to lose.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This house, it would be very difficult to afford to be able to build a new house to pay the enormous.

[Johnny Khan]

Property taxes they have here. What would I do?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

When I was out here hosing the.

[Johnny Khan]

House down and getting ready, and when.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The houses started to burn, I didn't see one single fire truck out here at all.

[Johnny Khan]

Zero.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

If they had some fire trucks, just put a squirt here, a squirt there and kept an eye on things. All these houses would be here now.

[Johnny Khan]

I'm telling you right now, I saw.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

With my own eyeballs all these houses, the houses behind me, they're all gone.

[Johnny Khan]

They started with one little spark, one little small fire. They just squirted those out. Had a few people out there, they'd all be here now. I did what I needed to do. I did what I wanted to do.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I did what I thought I could.

[Johnny Khan]

Do, and that's what I did.

[Reporter]

President Elect Trump has blamed you for this crisis.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

He called you incompetent.

[Reporter]

What's your response?

[Gavin Newsom]

Well, I called for him to come out, take a look for himself. We want to do it in the spirit of an open hand, not a closed fist. He's the President elect. I respect the office. We have a President of the United states that within 36 hours provided a major disaster declaration over a text. We had support from the President of the United States, Joe Biden, with 100% reimbursement, all the resources you could hope for or imagine, constant communication. I'd like to extend that to the President Elect. I don't know what he's referring to when he talks about the delta smelt in reservoirs. The reservoirs are completely full of the state reservoirs here in Southern California. That mis and disinformation, I don't think advantages or aids any of us responding to Donald Trump's insults. We would spend another month. I'm very familiar with them. Every elected official that he disagrees with, very familiar with them.

[Reporter]

We do know, though, from reporting here locally that that one reservoir that serves the Palisades was not full.

[Gavin Newsom]

And that's exactly what triggered my desire to get the investigation, to understand what was happening with that local reservoir that was not a state system reservoir, which the President elect was referring to as it relates to the Delta and somehow connecting the delta smelt to this fire, which is inexcusable because it's inaccurate. Also incomprehensible to anyone that understands water policy in the state.

[Reporter]

My understanding is that you have put.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

A call into President Elect Trump. Has he called you back?

[Gavin Newsom]

No, that was months ago. That was after his victory. So I look forward to him again coming out here in the spirit of operations.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, us.

[Reporter]

Forgive me for interrupting you, but you did invite him to come out here.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Have you had any response? No, nothing.

[Reporter]

Multiple times, Mr. Trump has threatened to withhold aid for California wildfires, both as president and now again as president elect. Are you worried that he might actually do that?

[Gavin Newsom]

I mean, he's done it Utah, he's done it in Michigan, did it Puerto Rico, he did it to California back before I was even governor in 2018, until he found out folks in Orange county voted for him and then he decided to give the money. So he's been at this for years and years and years. It transcends states, including, by the way, Georgia. He threatened similarly. So that's just. That's his style. And, you know, we take it seriously to the extent that in the past it's taken a little bit more time. I've been pretty expressive about that. In context of someone threatening our first responders in terms of supporting the immediacy of their needs.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's what you take it as President.

[Reporter]

Elect Trump is threatening the first responders here?

[Gavin Newsom]

Well, I mean, it's what he said. He said, I'm not going to support the firefighting efforts. I'm not going to support the state of California as it relates to its emergency management. He made this pretty clear during the election, unless they do my bidding. And again, these are familiar terms and they're familiar to a lot of other states, not just my state, and they're familiar to not just me as governor, but the previous governor of California, Governor Brown, that was battling with these same things. So you just work through these things. And I'm just blessed. I mean, this. I'm blessed. I have 40 million Americans that happen to live in California that Joe Biden's President of the United States and did what he did immediately. And to the extent that we can work with the same relationship and that same spirit with Donald Trump, I hope we can.

[Reporter]

China's cyber program is by far and away the world's largest, bigger than that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Of every major nation combined, and has stolen more of Americans personal and corporate data than that of every nation, big or small combined. But even beyond the cyber theft, there's another part of the Chinese cyber threat that I think has not gotten the attention publicly that it I think desperately deserves, and that is Chinese government's pre.

[Reporter]

Positioning on American civilian critical infrastructure to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Lie in wait on those networks to be in a position to wreak havoc.

[Reporter]

And inflict real world harm at a.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Time and place of their choosing.

[Johnny Khan]

The Chinese have already insinuated malware into critical American infrastructure. That's correct. Like what?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Things like water treatment plants. We're talking about transportation systems, we're talking about targeting of our energy sector, the electric grid, natural gas pipelines, and recently we've seen targeting of our telecommunications system, RFK Jr then you have Kash Patel and then Tulsi Gabbard.

[Reporter]

Who do you think is the least.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Likely to get through if you talk.

[Political Analyst]

To Republicans right now? I think every single one that we've talked to wants all four to get through, believes all four will get through unless something new is presented during those congressional hearings. So if we're just litigating the things that are the known knowns in public, I think all four get through. I know there's a lot of work being done, particularly on Hagseth by Democrats, to try to get somebody involved in the various allegations against him to testify, to go public so that they have new information to tie it. So far, my understanding is there's not been a lot of luck in getting that done. And so unless that happens, Republicans want to unite, want to be able to give Trump the cabinet that he wants. Whether people like it or not, he won and they believe that he has a right to have it. So. And I think you saw it with Jody Ernst, like, listen, you gotta be one hell of a tough person with the skin of a rhino to take the crap that you have to take on social media advertising back in your state. If you're thinking of running again, if you worry about a primary, there's been a lot of money, there's been a lot of agitation, there's been a lot of threats about what happens if you don't support the nominees. And so there just aren't that many people that are like, hell yeah, sign.

[Eric Prince]

Me up for that.

[Political Analyst]

I want to be the person to tank one of these nominees. So it would take something new, I think, to do that.

[Eric Prince]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Not got a free shot.

[Eric Prince]

All these networks lying about the people.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Eric Prince]

I know you don't like hearing that I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Eric Prince]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

If that answer is to save my.

[Eric Prince]

Country, this country will be saved.

[Johnny Khan]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's Monday the 13th of January, year of our Lord 2025 days of thunder. The preamble starting tomorrow with the amazing really flood the zone of the confirmations. We're gonna get to all that in a moment. I wanna go, I've got Eric Prince. I've only got him for a while, but I wanna start with, in California. I wanted to start with that, with that video of just the civilian that looked like he was, I don't know, in the 70s, said he had a garden hose and just kind of kept the water on it and everybody fled and no firemen showed up. And then you've got Gavin Newsom sitting there whining. He wants an unlimited check to, I think, paper over what has just been an absolute complete debacle, number one for the first couple of days. And I think the wind's about to start again. You know, where were the firemen? Not that they're not brave and want to go, want to go in. What's the organization, what commands were they given? And the logistics. I'm shocked all week as we monitor this, just to see a couple of planes in the air. I mean, it's pretty shocking, particularly given the amount of damage. Eric. Print. Eric so you're a logistics expert. Walk me through, through your understanding of exactly what the plan has been out there in California to combat this.

[Johnny Khan]

Well, Newsom is definitely deflecting from his decades of environmental and state resource mismanagement. Certainly if he really had all the water that I think they needed, certainly those lines are cross connected. Pacific Palisades could have drawn from something else if there was actually enough water. But the fact is, as the video clip of the, of the lone survivor guy who saved his house, he got it done, probably pulling off of his own swimming pool supply. The state has cataclysmically failed the overtaxed taxpayers of Southern California and you know, the vignettes of private sector showing up and getting it done gives courage. It reminds us of what made America in the first place. But for the citizens of California, they have to be wondering what the hell have they been paying for, for so long when in this absolute hour of need, the state has really dropped the ball? All the airplanes that are flying around are contracted by Cal Fire, but those are largely private planes, private owners, private crews, in many cases flying aircraft that are 60 or more years old to provide the kind of precision drops to fight those fires. They couldn't fight, they couldn't fly in the first, I think day, day and a half because the excessively high winds, they were blowing 80 even to 100 miles an hour in some of those mountain passes, which they can't, they can't deliver water accurately in those kind of conditions. But it's a sad case that the private sector shows up on time and gets it done. Caruso, the guy who ran against the idiot mayor of la, he actually saved his shopping mall by contracting with private firefighters to come and make sure it didn't burn. And alas, it's still standing.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You know, Jonathan, Carl, yesterday, we don't have time to play it, but he confronted the head of FEMA or the spokesman for fema. He said, hey, there's been a, an activation of certain army units, certain military units. But Jonathan, Carla checked with them and they had not had any contact with the governor of California. They had not been requested to actually move out there. Or do you think there are enough like military assets? And I don't so mean National Guard. The army's got tremendous logistics in this. And when I see just a couple planes flying around, I think they've got 2,500 National Guards. Supposed to be kind of a lot of looting going on. Are they, Is Gavin Newsom on top of this thing to actually get the right resources there?

[Johnny Khan]

Look, throwing troops at a fire is not necessarily the answer. They don't have training in fighting wildfires or certainly in structure fires. It appears that a lot of these additional fires are actually set by arson. And there's been a number of citizens that have apprehended some very shady looking people setting additional fires. So again, a lack of law and order, a lack of consequence for people committing crimes. Remember in Gavin Newsom's California, you can steal just under $1000 and not be charged with a felony. I would say if the mayor put out a. Arsons will be shot on site, you might get a different, a different string of behavior. But there's. There is there. It's, it's like the left cannot ever embrace a law and order mentality or, or to bring order to these things. And, and sadly, the people of Southern California are suffering from what they voted for.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let's talk about, before I go to break, I want to talk about he's, he's whining already about unlimited resources. I mean, you even had Barrasso on the show saying hey, we're not going to write unlimited checks. Given the, not just the politics but the incompetence and almost malfeasance and criminal negligence of some officials. Do you agree with that? The money's got to be really thought through about going there. I mean, the rest of America shouldn't have to bail out really the criminal negligence of government officials, should they?

[Johnny Khan]

Especially not. And especially not their insurance companies are absolutely going to get blown up on this. I know private insurers were, were a lot of them were canceling because they were not allowed to, to raise rates. Why are, why are the rates keep going up? Because of bad fire management. You know, not cleaning out all the fuel sources out of all these hillsides has made them a big tinderbox. So cascading bad decisions made by government officials in California are not the responsibility of the federal taxpayers of the United States government. And especially when you look at the demands that Newsom is putting out compared to the people in North Carolina, significant suffering from the flood damage and they have been truly left wanting. Inadequate response by female the Biden administration, the federal government and sadly politics should not play into this. But you know, Pacific Palisades, they voted 70 some percent for Karen Bass and they are getting that. They're getting Mayor Bass governance right now.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Look, Eric, hang on for a second. We'll take a short commercial break. Eric Prince is with us. We're going to talk about the Days of Thunder preamble with the flood, the zone confirmations that will start tomorrow morning. Short commercial break. Erik Prince on the other side. Johnny Khan who lost his house in the Palisades takes us out.

[Eric Prince]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

For your free silver today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, I want to get to the confirmation. Washington Post just put up editorial. They endorse everybody but you know, Tulsi Gabbard, rfk, Russ Vote and Pete Hexith. So in other words, they want to get the more less controversial picks in there. Remember, these controversial picks are in there for a reason.

[Eric Prince]

Eric, I just want to make sure.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I give you because it's already blowing up in the chat a little bit in social media that Erik Prince shoot arsonists on sight. I understand that's in the war room. Rough Roman justice, but didn't even the Romans give him a drumhead trial first?

[Johnny Khan]

Sir, there's been 10 bodies found already. There's going to be hundreds more. Clearly these arsonists are committing murder via fire. And so if you see someone in the act of committing murder, lethal force is authorized. That's why I want to clarify that statement. Look, this whole thing is a disaster. Gavin Newsom is a disaster. As a governor, I think Elon Musk should lead a recall effort against Gavin Newsom. Musk will have to move back to California, but Musk should lead the recall and be the next governor of California. He can't be president because he was born in South Africa, but he can definitely fix California. And I would rather have 1% of Elon Musk's brain dedicated to fixing California than 100% of the Democratic Party of California having anything to do with the governance of the state going forward.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, hang on. Let's go to Newsom first. You're calling for his recall? He just went out yesterday. We don't have time to play because it's too stupid. But in the middle of all this debacle, right, and you're right, the they think they're feeling now it could be up to $150 billion of damage in the Kobayasi. I think the Kobayasi newsletter says it could take a decade to have a major impact on the American economy. It's going to have a major impact on Our growth. Right. This is one of the most creative, dynamic parts of the country. $150 billion of damage. Talk about the insurance industry is going to implode. So it's not just they're looking for a federal bailout to take care of what's going on now the bailout, they're going to need a massive bailout of the insurance industry. And Gavin Newsom yesterday spent with this SOBOROUGH Guy at MSNBC, I think five minutes going through some futuristic, you know, 5D chess city, the city of the future. He just goes on and on like he's detached from reality. Your thoughts, sir?

[Johnny Khan]

He's not aspiring to anything other than having to dig out of this massive hole, a crater that exists now in Southern California. And it's the sad thing is it's a self inflicted wound. Yes, fires happen. We have machinery, we have automation, we have pumps that can fix those things. But when you have multi decade loaded up hillsides of fuel because of environmental wackiness that prevents you from thinning it, culling it, logging it, then this thing explodes. On top of not having enough water in the system, it's, it's really bad. This is going to have a big blight even. You're right. On the, on the rest of the US economy, everyone pays more for insurance, but there's a massive insurance loss, not just the people of Southern California.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So people, people, people in this audience, people in this audience understand in North Carolina, where they're MAGA voters, they're not getting any aid down. And I think it's also northwest Georgia, right. They're slow walking that. But here all they're doing is begging for more and more of a bailout, more and more aid when they're the first people to have. Remember, this is going to be the big center of resistance. This was the big center of resistance to President Trump, the Trump movement, MAGA and President Trump as president. You had the mayor who knew wins were coming. She was briefed on it. She went to Ghana for the inauguration of their president. You had a fire chief, I think the other day, or assist deputy fire chief, a deputy fire chief who didn't understand about how the water flowed and the Palisades reservoir being empty, didn't understand that the 117 million gallons was not there. You've had Gavin Newsom whose performance has been there for everybody the last couple days. Do you believe this is more an incompetence and malfeasance? Do you actually think it rises to the level of criminal negligence? And one of the things that has to happen here as President Trump steps in and looks at. And we've been a big advocate of President Trump going out there as soon as possible because they need to see what real leadership looks like, not a beta male like Gavin Newsom. Do you think this rises to the level of criminal negligence on a part of these officials?

[Johnny Khan]

Look, when you have hiring that, when people are saying we're hiring not based on skill, but based solely on diversity, and then this happens where not just 10 dozens of people are going to die, tens of thousands of people have lost everything in terms of their house, their business, any kind of place to sleep. Yeah, it's definitely getting. It's way beyond incompetence. There definitely needs to be some prosecutions. But again, they don't prosecute criminals out there. So if it doesn't happen at the federal level, I just don't see it happening. Perhaps that's part of the strings that need to come. If there's going to be federal aid, there must be accountability. That speaks to the malpractice and stupidity we have across all aspects of society. When you screw up, someone has to pay.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, let's go back to the recall of Gavin Newsom. People talking about Mayor Bass, but I think she's a. She's irrelevant in this because she's so incompetent. But Gavin Newsom, he's already been recalled once. But then when. Because he got recalled. But then the time came for the vote. There wasn't what we call on Wall Street a bit away. There wasn't really a candidate that Al Shine. So he won. He won, I think, you know, with almost 60% of the vote in the following election. You're calling for his recall. Walk me through your logic of why Elon Musk.

[Johnny Khan]

Because again, 1% of Elon Musk's brain vastly exceeds Gavin Newsom's brain. And I think actually coming from a business perspective, he has interest in the state, he has employees in the state, and he wants to see the state succeed and not be wrecked by the continued compounding stupidity of leftist environmentalist, social engineering and other wackiness that they've been pushing, I think it'd be a phenomenal fit for him. It does that. Look, obviously not going to be a career politician, but if he could fix California, that is a huge driver of the American economy.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's what I want to talk about. The aerospace industry, the defense industry, the biotech industry, the tech, you know, besides entertainment, the tech industry itself. Folks out there don't think just because it's a bunch of progressives in Southern California. It's not going to impact your life. California itself, I think, is the fifth largest economy in the world. Fifth or sixth largest economy in the world, if you really count, you know, apples to apples. It's a massive. It's a massive economy. Southern California is as big a driver of that economy as Silicon Valley. One more time, why is this important for the country? Obviously, Elon Musk and I have very different views on many things, but why do you think Elon Musk is the guy then?

[Johnny Khan]

Look, we might not agree with Elon Musk 1,000% of the time, but he is a phenomenal advocate ally in the fight against creeping government bloat and socialism and nonsense. And California has been the leading agent of that kind of change. And that malign attitude of the rest of the country, even the crazy restrictions they put on cars, on emissions, on logging, even how they generate their power, it all needs to be cleaned up. California used to be a even greater state. The weather's still fantastic, but not so great when all the houses in your entire neighborhood are obliterated in a weekend.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Look, my definitions of Elon Musk are legion on everything from globalism to nationalism to the Chinese Communist Party to actually, you know, visas, transhumanism, all of it. But is your point. Because I want to get. Is your point that if you recall Newsom, who has to be recalled, you're not going to be able to beat him with a conventional Republican candidate, that you got to look outside the box? Is that. Is that the point you're making is besides being a builder and the world's richest man, he, like Caruso is. You going to have to come with somebody that doesn't come from a political background because you're not going to beat Newsom in the fight that has to take place after the recall with a conventional candidate.

[Johnny Khan]

I think unconventional is the way to defeat the very conventional, very leftist, and very installed and entitled blob that is the Democrat Party in California.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, I want to go to stay on Unconventional. Tomorrow starts and I'm so glad that the team is now done. Flood the zone. I think we have 13 confirmation candidates and I think 14 hearings. Pam Bondi is going to get two back to back. I think those are Thursday and Friday or Wednesday. Thursday. We'll get the chart up there in a second. Pete Hegseth is one of the more unconventional because you're really taking it from the warrior cast and not going to one of these, either senior executive, senior member of Congress or A former flag officer. Walk me through the pros and cons of Pete Hegseth and why you think he should be confirmed and confirmed immediately.

[Johnny Khan]

Look, for 20 some years we've been at this so called global war on terror which has been done in a very half assed management approach and we've lost abysmally. And I think it's very important to have a veteran that has lived with in the field the bad decisions made by bureaucrat generals and bureaucrats back in Washington to say enough of that. And he has to. He's going to get the military refocused on lethality and merit. Okay? We need a military that is a large, snarling, a very scary organism that our enemies actually not just respect, but fear. And when you have the constant pursuit of green biofuel or diversity, diversity, diversity instead of lethality and merit, you get a military that shoots its own airplanes down, that crashes ships, that doesn't put water on fires when their ships are on fire. That you have that you get defeated in Afghanistan by 20,000 illiterate goat herders. All the techno wizardry of the US military defeated in Afghanistan. We have setback after setback and the nonsense must stop. Or when the hour of need of actual existential crisis of state on state warfare threatening America we will be found very, very wanting and and extremely disappointed with the results if we don't fix it. Hegseth is the guy to fix it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Eric, I know you got a bounce, but I just need you a few minutes on the other side. We're also going to talk about the bond market. It's in kind of revolt about the previous spending of the United States government and our debt. This has nothing to do with President Trump's tariffs. They're trying to spend that. We're going to have EJ attorney to break it down. I had Philip Patrick on the show on Saturday. Birch Gold. Now more than ever. Just look at the bond market. I told you it's gonna be turbulent folks. Turbulence is coming now, even before the days of thunder. Birchgold.com Bannon the end of the dollar empire. Get the new free installment. Modern monetary theory. The idea that broke the world. Think it ain't broke. Look out in California, particularly Southern California. Short commercial break Back in the Worm in just a moment.

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[Reporter]

JFK Jr. Then you have Cash Patel.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And then Tulsi Gabbard.

[Reporter]

Who do you think is the least.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Likely to get through if you talk.

[Political Analyst]

To Republicans right now? I think every single one that we've talked to wants all four to get through, believes all four will get through unless something new is presented during those congressional hearings. So if we're just litigating the things that are the known knowns in public, I think all four get through. I know there's a lot of work being done, particularly on Hagseth by Democrats to try to get somebody involved, involved in the various allegations against him to testify to go public so that they have new information to tie it to. So far my understanding is there's not been a lot of luck in getting that done. And so unless that happens, Republicans want to unite, want to be able to give Trump the cabinet that he wants. Whether people like it or not, he won and they believe that he has a right to have it. So and I think you saw what Jody Ernst like, listen, you gotta be one hell of a tough person with the skin of a rhino to take the crap that you have to take on social media advertising back in your state if you're thinking of running.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, hang on. I got it. Thank you. Perfect. Jim Vanderhay, talk to me. They're going to try to throw up. They're desperately searching for somebody. All these anonymous accusations. They're desperately trying to get on a search, somebody to step forward that's a victim or knows a victim or something. What type of thing are they going to throw at Pete Hegseth and how do we have to power through this? Because the audience has to understand we're going to have to man the ramparts Both at Article 3, at our own app, Bill, Blaster, etc. To make sure we make contact with all these senators starting this afternoon and tomorrow to push Pete Hegse through. What types of things do you think they're going to come at him with Eric that we should be prepared for?

[Johnny Khan]

It will be a litany or an adjacent to whatever they've they've claimed before. Look, he's not been a government contractor, so there's not going to be any weird claims of billing malfeasance. But I mean, heck, he's been around the TV business and all the, the wild accusations people can make around that. So you can expect someone to make up something or to be paid to make up something or paid to remember something very differently than it happened. And he's got to be resolute and indeed power through that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The rest of the how important, I mean, you know, you know defense and intel as well as anybody. You got Ratcliffe. But really the key one is, is Tulsi Gabbard. They're all over. I should note that Tulsi Gabbard's hearing has been delayed. She's one of the heavies that's not coming this week. The other is Cash Patel, but Cash, they're saying that he's not coming because they're only doing cabinet folks this week. So your thoughts about the rest of them and how important is the power through this to get President Trump his team?

[Johnny Khan]

Trump won the election. It's advising consent. It's not advising control is the role of the Senate. And Republicans need to be on board, including Murkowski and Collins. I mean, heck, I'm, I'm bitter about Republicans that kind of vote only when they feel like it. And I really feel like, well, one of the things to fix America is to go back to the states electing senators, the state legislatures, not direct election. The founders had that one right.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let's go for so, folks, I'm going to get back to this in a second, in a moment. After we do the bond market, we got to focus on the Days of Thunder preamble, which is going to be this week. Thirteen cabinet nominees are going to go in the confirmation process. We're going to cover that wall to wall because it's going to be pretty exciting because the Democrats look to set a lot of traps for President Trump. I do want to play from President Trump's National Security Council, Mike Waltz, the congressman of Green Berets, Seb Gorko will be head of, I think, counterterrorism. Seb obviously contributed to the show and was with me at, at Breitbart for years and with us in the White House the first time. I want to play this and get your response. This is about Ukraine.

[Johnny Khan]

Erik Prince, I will say, you know.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The other thing that we're going to.

[Johnny Khan]

Need to see is really stabilizing things on the battlefield.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And one of the things that we'll.

[Johnny Khan]

Be asking of the Ukrainians is they have real manpower issues. You know, their draft age right now is 26 years old, not 18.

[Eric Prince]

I don't think a lot of people.

[Johnny Khan]

Realize that they could generate hundreds of.

[Eric Prince]

Thousands of new soldiers. So when we hear about morale problems, when we hear about issues on the.

[Johnny Khan]

Front line, look, if the Ukrainians have asked the entire world to be all in for democracy, we need them to be all in for democracy.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And they certainly have fought bravely. They certainly have taken a very noble and tough stand.

[Johnny Khan]

But we need to see those manpower shortages addressed. This isn't just about munitions, weapons, ammunition.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Or writing more checks.

[Eric Prince]

It's about seeing the front lines stabilize.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So that we can enter into some type of deal.

[Johnny Khan]

I'll give one tip away that the president has mentioned. He will say to that murderous former KGB colonel, that fog who runs the Russian Federation, you will negotiate now.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Or the aid that we have given to Ukraine thus far will look like peanuts.

[Johnny Khan]

That's how he will force those gentlemen to come to an arrangement that stops the bloodshed.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So, Erik Prince, you know, Robert Kagan's got a big piece in the Atlantic how Trump's about Trump's. Trump's first strategic defeat will be Ukraine. This is not Trump's war. Trump fought this from the beginning. Mike Waltz is saying, and we've been. And so Mike Walsh understands something. The audience in the war room knows about the non 18 year old conscripts for over a year, about a year and a half. When they tried to actually do it in Ukraine, it got shot down. Seb's saying flood the zone with more weapons for Ukraine. Waltz is saying, help them stabilize the battlefield with more conscripts. Does President Trump want to own this war? I thought our theory of the case was 48 hours, 72 hours, we're going to get the hell out. And really, to me, it's NATO and the Ukrainians that a little bit have to say, hey guys, this war is over. It's time for you to get to the negotiating table. Am I missing it? Are we going to actually. Because what they're talking about by putting more weapons in and getting them conscripts is some sort of kind of Semi active role as much as the Biden administration in the Ukrainian war. Am I wrong on this, brother?

[Johnny Khan]

Look, Zelensky is not viewed as a legitimate negotiating counterparty for the Russians because Zelenskyy has overstayed the mandate and canceled those last elections. So they've got to have an election. I think there's one scheduled for March or April. The Ukrainians have not been able to put more manpower in the field. They are running out. I think I agree with Waltz on that point, that if they're going to do this, then they're going to be demanding all this support from partner nations. They at least have to have the same service age as the rest of those countries. And I would imagine Seb is saying that because they're trying to negotiate from some kind of position of strength. Because the fact is the Russians are winning. They have been winning for many months now and they're grinding along. What incentive do the Russians have to stop? But I do think the Russians do want to have a negotiated settlement. The question is what's left of Ukraine at the end of it? Probably everything east of the Dnieper river is what they'll take. They have a weather window now where the ground is hard enough, they can still maneuver.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Haul it, haul it, haul it. Full stop. Full stop. You said west of what river?

[Reporter]

Sorry?

[Johnny Khan]

Everything east of the Dnieper.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What river?

[Johnny Khan]

The Dnieper.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, that's my point. That's a lot worse than this war started. That's taken half of the country or 40% of the country, is it not? I'm not saying disagree with that. I just want to make people in the audience understand. We were talking about the Russian speaking provinces of the Donbas and Crimea. Now, now, because of Biden's terrific management of this war, now you're talking about 40% of Ukraine do what?

[Johnny Khan]

That's. That's a real possibility. And so, yeah, hopefully Trump can convince Putin to stop and to, and to rejoin the Western nations again. It is in our interest to pull Russia away from the orbit of China. That is really bad for America and Steve.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I gotta run. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go. I know you gotta take up. You gave us more time than we asked for. I appreciate you, brother. We'll get all your podcasts. Just when I get to the good questions, this is, you know, they're asking for security guarantees already. Unless he says it's gotta be an American security guarantee. Has to be an American security guarantee. Which means young men and women in the Ukraine. What the demands of NATO and The party of Davos in Brussels is to me so over the top. President Trump does not want to own this war. He has no involvement in this war. He campaigned against this war. He has said from the beginning this war should have never started. And if President Trump, if the election in 2020 had not been stolen and he didn't have an illegitimate Biden regime in there, this war would never, never taken place under President Trump's watch. Of that there is just no doubt. And now you see Kagan and all the Atlanticists and the public intellectuals on the left, they're setting a trap right there for President Trump. I just hope, as national security guys who I think very highly of are on point here, we don't want to. President Trump does not want to own this war. You get into this thing for six months to a year and they're going to blame, they're setting up to blame Trump for their own failure. They have failed here from the beginning. This has been an abject, tragic failure. The Ukrainian people have paid for this, right? The Ukrainian people have paid for this. And now they're trying to ensnarl President Trump in this trap and they'll go to any length to do it. I want to go now to EJ and Tony. EJ all kind of as the, and we told the audience, we trained the audience and say, hey, the 10 year bond is what, the price of the 10 year bond is kind of what drives your life, your car loan, your credit card, your mortgage, any personal loan you would take out. And so people very much are focused on, in the war room, they focus on the price of gold in the ten year bond. Right? The ten year bond is getting up to five. You're seeing a kind of, you're seeing a total kind of rejection. It hasn't become a rout yet, but rejection by the global bond market on the Biden regime's policies, particularly the deficits and the spending. But it's going to narrow President Trump's field of alternatives, sir.

[Reporter]

That's exactly right, Steve. And on top of that, you know, another added complication here is the fact that, and I can't for the life of me understand why a Republican controlled House at the time did this. But between the Republican controlled house and the Democrat White House, they have left, left President Trump, the incoming administration also with a debt ceiling as well. And look, it's not that we hate the debt ceiling. We like any kind of measure that's going to keep down government spending. But the problem is the debt ceiling as we have it Today is completely divorced from spending. So Congress gets to vote in all of the spending they want, and then they always have some kind of crisis where they say, oh no, we need to raise the debt ceiling. Whereas before it used to be before World War I, you had to vote to increase the debt ceiling at the same time you voted for the increase in spending. But, but whatever the case, treasury markets are getting into a whole lot of turmoil and this is something that we've actually predicted on this show for well over a year now, that this was the direction we are heading. And we are basically getting to a point where markets no longer believe the Fed, they no longer believe the talking points from Janet Yellen that the treasury market continues to be deep and liquid, easily tradable. That's just not the reality anymore. There is too much government debt out there and the private market can't sustain it all, certainly not when they have alternatives. And the problem is that the only way the treasury can continue to attract more capital in other words, continue to get bondholders, investors to give the treasury more money to lend them more money is if the treasury gives higher and higher on their bonds. And the result of all this is making the debt even more expensive to finance. We're looking at $1.2 trillion in interest on the debt this year, and that's before we get even higher yields.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The repricing. Hang on. Can you hang on for a second? I want to hold you through the next break. What he's talking about in this kind of crime is that not only did the government treasuries have to go up higher and increase the interest payment, we have to and that takes away from other opportunities President Trump wants to have, but it also drives the cost of your life higher. This is what we're saying about the inflation kind of being embedded in the refinancing of the $36 trillion. This is the first time I think the American people have a great awakening that, hey, these deficits and debt actually have a actually have an impact on me. It's going to be a lot more in the future. Short commercial break Back in the Ever.

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[Reporter]

Exactly, Steve. And you know, look, sometimes some of these numbers, you know, when we're dealing with trillions, everyone's eyes kind of glaze over. It's difficult to really get your head around it. Even when we talk about things like a second mortgage of 200, $300,000, sometimes it's hard to get our head around it. So, so I want everyone in the war room posse to do the following exercise. Get your most recent pay stub and see how much you paid in personal federal income taxes and realize that half of that half, 50% of what you pay in personal income taxes to the federal government is used just to service the debt, not pay down the debt, just the interest on the debt. That's how bad the situation is today. And it's getting worse, not only because we're continuing to spend too much money and grow that debt, so we're continuing to need more money to finance it. But also interest rates now are rising because of exactly what you just mentioned. And it is an absolute mess. And so much of what the Biden administration, particularly Janet Yellen have done over the last couple of years have all been short term fixes, essentially things that conveniently were there to get them past the election. And now that that's done. All of those short term measures need to be unwound. Think of it in a personal context here. Imagine you rack up a ton of credit card debt and it's all on those introductory APR credit cards. In other words, you get 0% or only 1% or 2% interest rates for the first 12 months. And so you go on a spending spree for your household and you get all kinds of nice stuff. Maybe you do some balance transfers, you get a new car, you do some vacations, eat out all the time, et cetera. You rack up a ton of debt. Now the higher interest rates are kicking in as the introductory APRs are over. So now what do you need to do to get out of that mess? Well, probably some kind of debt consolidation service. And yes, you're going to have to pay a higher interest rate than the 0 or 1% or 2%, but it's certainly better than if you let those credit cards go up to 30%, which they will eventually. So that's basically what Trump and Scott Besant with JD Vance, with their whole team have to deal with now at the Treasury. They need to essentially roll over this debt and reconsolidate it at the lowest interest rates they possibly can. And again, going back to what we talked about earlier with the debt ceiling, that makes that very difficult because there's now even less flexibility that the treasury has. Again, that's not saying that we want no debt ceiling at all. Right. We do want limits on government spending. The problem is that this is just happening at the worst possible time for.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

These folks, but they know it. That's. You're just your alternatives, your range of alternatives start to start to tighten. Like I said, all the easy decisions have been made. Thank God we got, we got President Trump. I think it's $7 trillion we know already has to be refinanced in this coming year with Scott Bessant. It's going to be a herculean task. Ej your social media is a great way to keep up with all that. What is that where they go for your website? How do people get to know you better?

[Reporter]

Best place to find me is going to be on X. You'll see all the links and all my posts and everything there. The handle is ealejantony.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Dr. Antony, thank you very much. Appreciate you coming on, making everything clear.

[Reporter]

My pleasure.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So the three big efforts as we've talked about now for months is the ending the kinetic part of the third World War, deportations. Newt Gingrich is not having our back Today they say, saying the people that want to deport everybody are rabid. Rabid. Do you feel rabid? I don't feel rabid. It's logical. It has to happen. But Mr. Speaker, we appreciate the, appreciate the thoughts, but no, they're, they all got to go. The third is the debt and the deficit. That's the, that's the kind of events that have to happen. Things are going to be worked on. The ways you do it is get your team for the cabinet, your executive positions. That's the confirmation process will start tomorrow, right to flood the zone. Going to have 13 people stand up over the next couple of days. You got the executive orders on the days of thunder next week. They already have a schedule out. There's going to be a presidential signing ceremony at the White House right in the middle of the afternoon, right when he gets back. So it's already on the books, as we say. And then the third is legislation, is a one bill or two bills, the Lincoln Lake and Riley bills going through right now, but the big financial bill bills one or two. That's all going to be worked out. Action, action, action. As President Trump steps into the role of the 47th President, United States and my God, what a disaster he's stepping into. And that doesn't even include California, which is with the winds kicking back up and these incompetence, malfeasance, criminal negligence, all of it. Stick around. Short commercial break and I mean short like two minutes back for the second hour. In a moment.

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