
Episode 4202: The Left Behind In East Palestine; The American Apparatus Rests On Your Shoulders ...
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
Ben Berkwam
And where do people like that go.
Stephen K. Bannon
To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. Okay, it's Friday the 17th of January, year of our Lord 2025. We're going to try to juggle today. We've got Kristi Noem being grilled over at the Senate. Just once I want to give everybody a shout out who have been at the ramparts this week. Complete preparation by the nominees, full spectrum dominance. I think the biggest thing, the thing that shocked me the most is that how ill prepared the Democrats are to actually ask serious questions. If you think about it, Marco Rubio laid out a quite a unique vision that the Washington consensus does not believe in this fetish of the post war international rules based order. He made a very compelling case how it had been gamed by the global elites, the party of Davos and particularly the Chinese Communist Party in conjunction with Wall street in Big Tech. No real pushback on that from the Democrats. Pete Hegseth talked about a warrior ethos and really a revolution in military affairs. No pushback on that. You had a bunch of harridans sitting there talking about some personal foibles of Pete, but nothing substantive. Another total waste. Scott Bessant and Russ Vogt, Russ Vogt at omb, Scott Bessant at Treasury laid out kind of MAGA economics. How they're gonna cut the budget, what they're gonna look for. No substantive pushback. Some yammering about taxes and you know, worst down the taxes, cut taxes for working class and middle class people and raise them for the wealthy. If the wealthy can't, if the, if the, if the oligarchs and the wealthy cannot help us close this budget deficit because all their donors down here driving this big spending, then somebody's got to pay to close the gap. Scott Besson did an amazing job. Doesn't totally agree with my theory of the case and we know Scott very well. It's interesting that two of our kind of contributors, Russ Vogt at OMB and Scott Besson is gonna be Secretary of Treasury. And they did a fantastic job. Virtually no pushback. Pam Bondi, oh, and one last thing. Wieden of Oregon embarrassed himself. Humiliating. Not understanding tariffs, not really understanding trade. Looked like a buffoon in front of Professor Bessant, who kept his calm the entire time. Pam Bondi, you saw that over and over and over again. The 2020 election, was it stolen? Here's the answer. You want the answer? The answer was stolen. Okay? You know who agrees with that? The American people. Because they rendered a verdict on November 5th. And that verdict is we're going to return the guy that should have been in the office full time. We're going to return him. Now, what's shocking, and this is what I think for the Democratic Party, it shows you the rot, the laziness that they've had for years because remember in Biden's farewell address to the nation, it was all about the oligarchs. All about the oligarch. Let's talk about that for a second. President Trump's had no power for the last four years. Correct. You've been with him from the beginning. Remember in January, February, March, April of 2021, no power. Approval ratings in the 20s, abandoned by the Republican Party. They were just going down to make sure that the line was still in the cage. Right. No power. Who's had power for the last four years? Joe Biden. The oligarch. Nature of our nation. And it is, that is our theory of the case was started with President Obama and how he took care of the 2008 financial crisis, the great concentration of wealth and power. And if you don't think wealth and power is concentrated. We've been in Appalachia for two days with Ben Berkwam about the flood and what has happened to those folks there. No relief in 6 degree weather, 10 degree weather, the living in tents. We're in East Palestine today, in two years. What has happened? Don't take it from me, take it from the people we've been interviewing the first hour of the show. Nothing. Total and complete contamination from a, from a corporation who, the executives should be charged with criminal negligence. Criminal negligence. Criminal negligence. And what has happened to the folks in East Palestine? Nothing good has happened for them. They've been abandoned. Don't take my word for it. That was a word that every one of them used in the first hour of the show. So Obama started this with the concentration, with how he Dealt with the financial collapse of 2008, which he did not create. That was created by the Bush regime. Bush 43, as we say over and over again, the worst president in American history, except for James Buchanan. But Biden, you don't think they nurtured the oligarchs? They created the oligarchs. They were in power. Can I bring up a source subject? Silicon Valley Bank. Remember the bailout, Silicon Valley Bank. We talked about that over and over and over again. I don't know. I'm going to pick some random names. Peter Thiel, David Sacks, Mark Andreessen. Right. Anymore you want Facebook, you want them all. Remember when your taxpayer money, the person making, I don't know, $45,000 a year, you bailed out the bank. Why? Oh, all these great companies, these great startup companies not going to be able to make payroll as we walk through here. There are plenty of cash in the venture capital community. They just had to make their own payroll. The bailout of Silicon Valley bank was a bailout of the oligarchs. Why is that? Because the oligarchs worked at the time for the Democratic Party and the globalist. Remember all the platforms. This show, I might add, as you know, we are banned in perpetuity on the following platforms. Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, what? Instagram, TikTok. Can I go, can I go to any more? Remember President Trump was too, because oligarchs ban him. They thought they use. And you look at, look at the FBI reports, look at everything that's coming to dhs. They use the oligarchs and they use social media to destroy us. And now, and now that we have won, the populist movement has won, has gotten him back and President Trump has won. They've all surrendered and they're saying, oh, Steve, well, you've lost this. You know, you have all these, you have all these, you know, you got, you got. TikTok's going to be up there and Mark Zuckerberg's going to be up there and Elon Musk is going to be up there and Beezus is going to be up there. They're all going to be on the podium. All going to be up the podium, folks. Those guys being on the podium and sitting together is the equivalent of the USS Missouri in September 1945. That is a. They're there to sign a surrender document. They didn't support President Trump. They're not going to support President Trump in the future. These people are totally, completely transactional, 100% transactional. They will flip just like they were in service to Biden. And these radical Democrats are going to be in service to him again the moment Hakeem Jeffries takes the House and becomes speaker of the House. First thing he's going to do, try to impeach President Trump. He knows me with him. Bezos Zuckerberg, Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg is flat out, let me be brutally frank. He is a criminal and should be charged. It should be charged with crimes. After a full and complete and fair investigation by a special prosecutor in paneling a grand jury of American citizens and following totally the rule of law of what he did in the 2020 campaign, he is a criminal. So when people sit there and tell me, oh my gosh, look at there, they all control President Trump. They don't control anything. They're running like little nine year old boys up there. That is the moral equivalent of September 1945. The Japanese Imperial High Command sitting right there. And Trump is the equivalent of General MacArthur. He's sitting there, they're signing their surrender document. Those idiots gonna be sit up there mocked and ridiculed. It's like in Rome when they used to come back from the wars. Marcus Aurelius used to come back from the wars and dragons, the Visigoth chiefs in back of them. Right? That's what that is. Trump won MAGA one and they lost. And they're up there to kowtow. To kowtow to President Trump of the MAGA movement. The gall of Joe Biden and the gall of Rachel Maddow. Rachel Maddow. Oh, my gosh, I got a chill. I got cold chilled down my spine. Ma'am, respectfully, you were all for Facebook when they were suppressing the voice of the populist movement. You were all for Twitter when it was suppressing the voice of the popular movement. We got FBI. We have FBI interviews that prove that in whistleblowers. You're all for Amazon, you're all for all of these guys when they're working for you. But as soon as they flip, and here's the reason they flip, they understand you're not coming back to power anytime soon. They understand that, they get it, they've surrendered. President Trump's going to have them all sitting together. It looks like the Japanese Imperial High Command, they're there to sign a surrender document, an instrument of surrender. They've been broken. These powerful oligarchs have been broken. And how were they broken by you, the American people? Think of what we've shown you. You see some pattern recognition here. You see what's happening in Appalachia, See what's happening in Georgia, in North Carolina, in East Tennessee and Virginia. You see that those folks have been abandoned. I'm not saying that that's coming from their voice. They've been abandoned and now they're freezing in sub freezing temperatures, sometimes as low as the teens. And what said was going to be six degrees in the mountains. They have nothing. They've been abandoned. And look at East Palestine. Look at the pleas of those people. Those people are not looking for a handout. Those people never look for a handout in their entire lives. The entire system rests on you. The entire thing. When those oligarchs are sitting up there, the entire system rests on you. We sit here with Russ Vogt and Scott Besson and you got front page of the Wall Street Journal, Financial Times of London. The entire. The entire system rests on your shoulders. You are the full faith and credit of the United States government. It's not the securities and Exchange Commission. It's not the ftc. It's not the Federal Reserve. It's not the Treasury Department. It's not Congress. It's you. And are you treated, Are you treated like any? Are you given the respect, Are you given the respect that you deserve as an American citizen, regardless of your race, regardless of your color, regardless of your ethnicity, regardless of your religion? Are you giving that respect? I'm going to give you the short answer. The answer is no. Why? Why is that? Because money seeks power and that's what we have here. Who's the first one to talk about oligarchy right here in this show? And you think I'm gonna let Biden sit in a quivering, dude, we've had no power for four years. We didn't bail out Silicon Valley Bank. You bailed them out. They should have had to make payroll on their own money. You have people making $32,000 a year that bailed these people out. You've bailed them out all the time. Like Obama bailed out Wall Street. Did anybody in Appalachia get a bailout? Anybody? The last three days been down. They get a bailout. They get a bailout in Western Carolina. They get a bailout in East Tennessee. You get a bailout in Georgia. You get a bailout in Virginia. They bail out East Palestine. No, they did not know what they've come to do. They've come to the defense of a criminal corporation. Norfolk Southern. Is Norfolk Southern done with what they were supposed to do? The lies and misrepresentations, a complete set of lies and misrepresentation from the epa, from fema, from these corporations. Anybody been held accountable? Who bears the burden here? Who bears the burden of this corruption, this malfeasance, this criminal negligence? Who bears the burden? Hardworking people in Appalachia, people have never looked for a handout. People whose kids serve in our military. Back through every patriot's grave. And how about East Palestine, Ohio? Look at what's happened in two years. Nothing. Biden. Before you talk about oligarchs, before you talk about those guys, all work for you in your service. In your service, sir. In MSNBC, ma'am. Ms. Maddow. So shocked. Cold. A cold bolt went down my spine. Are you kidding me? How dumb do you think people are? It's offensive. Let's have an adult conversation. The oligarchs, we broke them and they surrendered. And you don't like it? Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg's a common criminal and should be in prison for what he did in 2020. You think it makes any difference? He's taking off the sensors. Oh, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. He's gonna go UFC and have the chairman of UFC on his board. And he's all growing out, growing his hair, doing kung fu. Get ready, bro, because in a prison yard, you better do some kung fu. We'll take a short break. We're returning to East Palestine, Ohio, and the citizens thereof in a moment. Big victory on the 5th of November. 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Protect your savings with Birch Gold. Text Bannon to 989-898 and claim your eligibility for your free silver today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban drones are doing in changing the face of warfare, whether it's in Ukraine and other battlefields around the world. We are very concerned about the weaponization of those drones and what it could mean to the security here in the United States. I've proposed comprehensive legislation to extend authorities beyond just the FBI and DOJ and Homeland Security to local law enforcement. You mentioned in your comments about security for the super bowl, which is incredibly important, but we have to remember that that threat exists for all games. In fact, one of the biggest supporters of my legislation is the NFL. In fact, we just had a recent playoff game that was delayed because of drones that flew into that playoff game. That's Peter's. Peter's very confident. When they start getting nasty, we'll come back to it. We want you to see that. We want you to see. I think we've done a good coverage. You guys have been fantastic. The calls into the senators, the numbers 202-224-3121. Man the ramparts again today. This is why everybody's pushed through so far. Everybody's gonna get approved. Of course. We got Tulsi, we got Bobby Kennedy, we got Cash Patel. They're laying in wait. I'm a huge believer in this flood the zone concept. I don't like the fact that we're going to bring these other ones out. Onesies, twosies, it doesn't work. But just remember, we got a lot of work to do. Call the Senate today. That's the switchboard number. Let them know that you're thinking. It's your thoughts. You're free men and women, but you're thinking about the nominee so far, what they've had to say, the resistance to that and what you believe about pushing across President Trump's entire slate. Like I said, this is the preamble to the Days of Thunder. Days of Thunder started high noon on Monday. I think we're looking at. They're trying to get 100 executive orders. Remember, we talked about three things. You know, you got the war, the kinetic wars, the kinetic part of the Third World War and the Eurasian landmass, Ukraine being number one. President Trump got his ceasefire. A lot of folks not happy with that ceasefire. We're going to go to Jason Jones in Bethlehem here in a moment. A lot of people not happy, particularly people in Israel on the right that think the job should get done. A lot of our contributors not particularly happy. Try to get him in. Got this situation in South Korea. The Chinese Communist Party has had the with this coup d'etat, has had the president arrested. Colonel Mills will be back tonight. We're going to talk about that. It'll be Saturday morning in Korea. John Mills is going to get a complete update today. You should know that everything we've been talking about South Korea is getting a lot of play in South Korea with the Patriots. So you got the Connecticut part of the third World War. You've got the financial crisis, which is the existential crisis. You heard vote and you heard Besant yesterday. Magnificent. Just presentations throughout. Then you've got the deportations, the immigration, everything. Steve Miller Homan and that's what Kristi Noema is being grilled about a little bit today, but not much. Here's the reason. The Democrats are just not prepared. You can't personalize it. If you personalize it, you have Pete Hegseth. He's not perfect, not a perfect instrument, right. Donald Trump's not a perfect instrument. Steve Ben is not a perfect instrument. Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, nobody, right. But there are massive policy differences and you're seeing taking shape really the maga, MAGA direction of our government and what they think of the economy. Here's the reason. Here's what's different in 16 we've had four years to get ready. Yes, I'll say the project that shall not be named Project 2025, which is just an over. You know, you had heritage, you had afpi, you had others all working to do these policies and most importantly to train and network with the people. Remember, let's go back President Trump and the three areas that he's got to deal with right away. Right. He's also got three ways they're going to do it. Executive orders, then legislation. Executive orders just last at the time of president can direct the federal bureaucracy to do what he wants. If olc, remember Office of Legal Counsel has to give an opinion on has to be in the Constitution. Remember the travel ban which I was worked with President Trump as one of the co authors. Remember the travel ban. All the meltdown of the travel ban. We had a letter from OLC giving us an opinion. We knew the Supreme Court would back it. And guess what? Wait for it. Supreme Court backed it. That's why we're not going to see 100 executive orders on Monday. Probably see, I don't know, 50 unwinding a lot of what Biden did day one to initiate the invasion of our country. A lot of that will Be reversed, some on the trade tariff side. Those 50 will have OLC opinions to them. They'll be fully vetted, are the ones you see. The second part is legislation. That is this whole thing between one reconciliation bill, two reconciliation bills. They're fighting all the time over there. The government shuts down 60 days from Monday at midnight. The government shuts down on March 20, we run out of money again. They're hustling away at the Appropriations Committee. The DOGE guys are working because, remember, the DOGE cuts have got to come in the Appropriations Committee. I'm not feeling great about that. Why am I not feeling great about that? I'm not feeling great about that because the House Freedom Caucus, the Hawks, our buddies, the Hawks, they put a deal on the table, a proposal. It's got a debt ceiling increase. Two years. Two years, $4 trillion. Hmm. Let me do some math here. Let me do some arithmetic. Four million, two years. That's $2 trillion deficit per year for two years, right? Yeah, Right. Not feeling good about that. That looks to me like $40 trillion. Of course, I project, and I've never been wrong in these numbers, I project we actually may be at $40 trillion one year from Monday, because right now we're at about a trillion dollars every 100 days. You know what says, that's right. The first four months of this fiscal year, starting on October 1st, I think we had a record. We're now at almost a trillion dollars right now. And the third is personnel. That's the Cabinet. That's these confirmations. You got to power them through. You get 3,000 people hit the deck place running. President Trump announced yesterday that 1000, 1000 of the 3000 just need a security clearance. 1000 will hit the beaches on Monday at high noon. 1000 of the 3000 Senate confirmations. We may have one, maybe Marco Rubio by noon, but they're coming. Remember, that 3,000 is to control or to oversee, basically, 2.5 million civilians, 2.5 million military, roughly. But wait for the contractors. 18 million contractors, 9 million of those, and some executive. 9 million are the folks that clean the buildings. 9 million executives. Of the executives, about 5 million, I think, are in some sort of manager, real managerial position. So that makes sense. About 10 million people overall to run an apparatus that spends, I don't know, six and a half trillion dollars a year, takes in four and a half, five trillion. That's the gap. Anybody gives you happy to even have Freedom Caucus when they give you happy. Talk, talk about all these wins, and we're going to do. Even Freedom Caucus in their Memo said over 10 years. I'm not interested in 10 years. I'm not interested In 10 years. I built my career in investment bank at Goldman Sachs, my own firm doing restructurings, bankruptcies, digging companies out that were good companies ahead. A capital structure problem. That's what we have here. I don't care about 10 years. I care about this year. I care about next year. So Doge Elon Vivek. Vivek's not going to be the senator from Ohio. I don't think things will be lieutenant governor. So Vivic got a lot of work to get offices over at omb. They're consultants to omb. They got Russ vote and guess what? Appropriations, single, single subject appropriations bill. We fought for that. That's where McCarthy's gone. We've got that and we've got 60 days of the government shut down. No more CRS, no more none. The null set. We want to see all 12 appropriations bills. And this is where DOJ has got to come in and give. It gives us, you know, you committed a trillion dollar cuts and then you need to see those cuts. The tariffs, the trade. President Trump thinks of this very differently. Not just internal revenue but external revenue. He doesn't look at tariffs just as I'm going to put a 10, 10% or 20% tariff on an avocado coming from Mexico. That's not how he thinks. Fees and duties and tariffs. He thinks of the United States as a like premium seating at a concert or a sports event. Through the golden door is the most lucrative market in mankind's history. And guess what he's going to charge a tolling fee. Yep, that's what it is about. That's what he could see across the board. Tariffs. You could see a memorandum of understanding on Monday. You could see some in days of thunder, Day one. Three of our contributors, Peter Navarro, the senior counselor for trade manufacturing, Scott Bessant, the Secretary of treasury and Russ Vogt, the head of ombudsman. Those brothers have been spending some time on this and President Trump. And President Trump has, I think the French called it, idea fix. He's got very fixed ideas. When he talks about trade, he talks about this. Getting access to this country, to the citizens of this country should be at a premium. He's going to charge a premium. I'll take you one. I'll take you. Next step first. I don't want any foreign capital in this country. None. Foreign capital means foreign influence and foreign power. However, maybe in the stock market, maybe. But it should be a premium there. Every financial transaction in the United States from a foreign government, foreign power, foreign fund like the Norwegian's got a trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund. If a sovereign wealth fund wants to buy a share of stock here should be to some 10% premium, throw it in the kitty quickly. The corporations of this country, the four and a half trillion corporations, only pay 500 billion in taxes, $500 billion. You, the citizens that I mentioned, full faith and credit of the United States government. Did I mention that? You, the folks in Appalachia, the folks in East Palestine, the folks that go to work every day, the folks making, I don't know what's the average salary here? 50,000 bucks. Can't live on 50,000 bucks. You're going to run your credit card up at 29, 25% APR. You're going to run your credit card up and you're going to run it into bankruptcy. You're in bankruptcy trying to make ends meet. But for the average guy making $50,000 a year, man and woman, you're supporting the entire system, the entire post war international rules based order. All of it rests on your shoulders. You pay the taxes, your pension funds in the venture capital funds, in the hedge funds, in the money managers, Larry Fink's trillion dollars coming from pension funds of teachers and firemen and basic schmendricks that go to work every day. So you underpin why do they come here to invest? It's not the sec, it's not the ftc, it's not the Treasury. Singapore's got that, Tokyo's got that, Hong Kong used to have that, Munich's got it, the city of London's got it. They come here because of the social stability. They come here because of the work, self organizing that you do every day. What Burke called the little platoons, that's where they come here. And shouldn't you get something for the effort? Isn't your sons and daughters on patrol in the Hindu Kush? Aren't your sons and daughters on the carrier battle groups in the Red seas? Aren't your sons and daughters deployed with the 101st Airborne Brigade in Romania? Aren't your sons and daughters in Germany? Aren't your sons and daughters in South Korea? Aren't your sons and daughters on patrol in the South China Sea? The entire system rest on your shoulders. All of it. Not some of it, all of it. 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Do not wait. Take action right now to protect your most valuable asset. Visit hometitlelock.com and use promo code Bannon. That's hometitle lock.com promo code Bandit. Please do this today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, I'm go to East Palestine in a minute. Supreme Court has upheld the ruling on Tick Tock. We're going to get on that tonight in the evening show late afternoon evening show. We'll have Brian Costello and other experts on here to go through all of that. Also Frank Gaffney, we're going to have a bunch of folks from the Victory Coalition. We're going to talk about the ceasefire. It seems to Be some folks, particularly on the right in Israel and the right here in the United States. The Hawks are not happy with this. Tom Cotton is not happy with it. So break all that down in the five to seven hour. Let's go to East Palestine, Ohio, Ben Berkhom. Here's the question, Ben, for the audience. Look, I really appreciate you folks hanging with us and really speaking from the heart. I thought Norfolk Southern, you know, besides my rant, I thought Norfolk Southern had a big settlement and everything was taken care of and they were going to make up for the activity, the mistakes they made and the lies they told over and over again. But they were given a lot of money and everything was going to be better. Everything's going to be remediated. Just. Ben, can you go around and just ask the folks just to hear it from the heart. Did that happen? Did that happen?
Ben Berkwam
Yeah, before we do that, I was trying to show out the window, actually. We have a Norfolk Southern train going by us as we speak. So the question is timely. I'll go around the room. Thank you, Steve.
Stephen K. Bannon
The $600 million that Norfolk has offered.
Ben Berkwam
As a class action suit, they've thrown such a broad net that it's going out over 20 miles. About 55,000 households, 455,000 people that are partaking in that now.
Stephen K. Bannon
We sold our house at a loss.
Ben Berkwam
And we, I moved my family out the day after the train derailment. We threw away all of our clothes, beds, furniture, put everything and everything that.
Stephen K. Bannon
Was left into storage and we moved.
Ben Berkwam
About six times before we bought another house. We sold our house for a loss. When I go down to talk, when I went down to talk to them, you know, I had all my receipts, everything, and I laid it out and they said, well, you sign up, you sign off all your rights, your medical.
Stephen K. Bannon
Rights, your rights to any claims in.
Ben Berkwam
The future against it. And we don't know how much you're going to get. It just depends how many people participate. We can't give you any guarantees, but.
Stephen K. Bannon
Before we give you a number, you.
Ben Berkwam
Have to sign off on your rights. And then.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on a second, hang on a second. And Ben, I'd like to go around the room. Hang on a second, hang on a second, hang on a second. I thought it was $900 million for a, for the cleanup and then there was additional, I don't know, over 20 years, 25 million bucks a year. My math may be wrong, but I thought it was bifurcated into two sections. Want to clean up is where we spent the time with you guys, is the locale around the derailment and what I call, what I call the central part of East Palestine that had the most damage. Are you guys getting the remediation first from the $900 million? Is that coming through either FEMA or EPA? Is that happening? Is it to your, is it to your sign off and your liking? Do you guys have premium, do you have a premium access? You can go ahead, ma'am.
Ben Berkwam
What we were told was they were starting at the furthest point first doing senior citizens that were single, then senior citizens that were married, then coming in and doing like single individuals, married individuals, then married with children. So if you think about it, that means the people of East Palestine mostly are getting their money last, which would make sense because that means the bulk of the money is going to sit in a bank account and gain interest for them. For how long before it gets distributed? I have friends who are down in Chippewa who already got their money. Not anything close to what they said you were going to get. Not even in the thousands. And they're within 10 miles, so. But the attorneys got their money. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And by the way, Steve, $70,000 is the cap. Am I correct on that? And they subtract, this is the insane part. They subtract out what they've already paid to relocate you in a hotel. Am I right on that? Any of your supplies or anything you turned in as a receipt. And we've got a guy on Social Security over here who they're dropping his Social Security because he was given $6,000. They consider that income. Now they're reducing his Social Security. Anyone who's on Social Security or disability will lose it for that year because it's going to be considered income. So then you're going to have to reapply the following year. So, you know, I know people who, I kind of do this for a living, but you know, they had to put it in somebody else's name, you know, in the family, because that way they wouldn't lose their Social Security. You know, that they worked their whole life for their disability. You know. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead, Steve.
Stephen K. Bannon
Let me ask, do you folks have any, like Norfolk Southern's got high powered white shoe law firms. The government's got very sophisticated law firms. The real estate interests there have very lawyers. The real estate interest is, is there anybody collectively representing your interest?
Ben Berkwam
No, the lead counsel, the lead counsel for the class action is supposed to represent our interest. However, they had a so called toxicologist get on a town hall and tell our residents there's zero long term health risk and 0,0 cases of cancer will come out of this. You can Google the guy right on LinkedIn and see that his former employees were Dow Chemicals, Exxon, Chevron, and a couple major polluters. That's the one representing you? Yeah, that's what our attorneys representing us put out there. Most of us that live the closest that were in the most contaminated homes and have to relocate. $0 0 is what I'll get. And people will still be stuck in these contaminated homes.
Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, here's a question. When you say contaminated homes, of the $900 million settlement between the government or the EPA and Norfolk Southern, has any remediation work started in the central locale around the derailment and around that central part of the business district and those other areas where President Trump and we went independently when we were there? Has any remediation started there at all? Or is that just still been left like it was from the time of the derailment? Essentially.
Ben Berkwam
And Steve, just to clarify. So it's the 600 million is the what you guys are talking about for the settlement? Correct? That's the class action. That's what's actually going towards the. For the people. That's what the people. Hang on. One at a time. One at a time. By the way, we do have Pastor Shealy here. His attorney's on Skype, so he's. He's here. But it's not only that. It's not only that they're not paying. They're also intimidating people. If you speak up.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, because I did speak up, it seems like I've gotten phone calls and threats of all sorts because the people that apparently think that everything is well here, which it's not, they would. They didn't want to wait around for their distribution. They wanted it to happen immediately. And it hasn't happened. And I was one of the ones who was blamed for it because I spoke up and said, this is not. This is not good enough for the people, this town. They need to have medical treatment, not just medical monitoring for at least 20 years. They need to have that. And every single family that wants to be relocated needs to be relocated that is out of this contamination.
Ben Berkwam
And Lonnie, you. So back to the contamination. What have they done to your satisfaction at all to clean up and make you feel safe? Nothing. Nothing. I want to say that the $600 million settlement, that's their insurance policy. That's paying that. That's not Norfolk Southern paying that. That's Their insurance policy. We're not even worth what the cost is of that remediation that's taking place right now. Last I heard, I think it was what, over a billion dollars that they've spent here so far? Our lives aren't even worth that. It's unfathomable to me that they're spending more money to clean it up than they are taking care of us and making our lives whole. They're still finding contamination to this day. 14 more pockets of chemicals in our soil just back in November. They still just found it in our wetlands like two years. And we still have contamination here. And Steve, real quick, I want to get to this young lady who's been waiting here. She's 19. She was 17 when it happened. Hi. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm Jenna. And I tested positive for vinyl chloride and benzene too. Around when they started, Norfolk Southern started to dig near where I live. I began to have seizures. I have a picture I had. I spent a week in a hospital. Sorry if I cough. They couldn't find anything and I'm sorry, they couldn't find anything wrong. And all they said is it might be called a anxiety.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on one second. He said he tasted positive. Ben, just ask her. When she says she tested positive for vinyl chloride and benzene, what does that mean?
Ben Berkwam
Yes, it's in my system, in my blood. Yes. The CDC actually set down a memo to our local doctors and told them to not test us for vinyl chloride when people started testing positive. And when we talk about what Dr. Chai has done for the community, he could write blood tests for his patients. He's a chiropractor, but he can still do that. So his patients, he had to write them prescriptions to be tested because no one else here would test for vinyl chloride in our systems, per the cdc. I'm a nurse. I used to work at one of the local hospitals. So I have a lot of friends who are still there. I went in to get my blood work done and they slid a memo over to me that's faded. Do not test for Norfolk Southern vinyl chloride for East Palestine residents.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hang, hang on, hang, hang on. Do you have a copy of that memo?
Ben Berkwam
With my phone? But they were. This is a local hospital that was told do not test. Do not Test. And the $5,000 that they're giving for medical. No, she. No. First of all, $5,000 isn't going to pay an ER visit. But the thing is, you might as well take it because in 10 years when you're sick, you're never going to prove that it was this. Norfolk Southern has millions of dollars to fight in court. They're going to say, well, did you ever smoke? Did you ever go to a bar where they smoked? You live next to a factory. You have a power plant down the road, so you're never going to prove it. So you might as well just take the money and say thank you, because that's all you're going to get. You're never going to prove in 10 years that this came from here. By the way, the statutes of limitations, Steve, are up in about a month for anyone less than a month.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, go ahead, Steve. Hang on, Ben. Ben, we have limited time. Hang on. We have limited time. Here's what I'd like to hear. Just go around. At high noon on Monday, President Trump is takes the oath of Office as the 47th President of the United States. President Trump came out there. I actually would argue that that was the pivot point on the primary when he really gathered the forces of MAGA and then drove to victory in the primary and then the presidency. So East Palestine has a major political aspect to it. What would those people, in their own voice, just keep it short. I want to hear from Everybody in the 10 minutes we got left, what do they want to see? What are they asking specifically of President Trump to do.
Ben Berkwam
National disaster relief for East Palestine and the surrounding communities? Because, like I said, I live in Darlington. That cloud came down on us. We were given no help whatsoever. And I just recently, and I have it in a text message was texted by a East Palestine fireman and his wife and told I had no business coming to East Palestine and taking their resources.
Stephen K. Bannon
Okay.
Ben Berkwam
I just want to say, do God's will. Listen to God.
Stephen K. Bannon
I think Congress. What does that mean?
Ben Berkwam
I think the people.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on, hang on. I'm sorry, Ben. What does she mean when she says, do God's will? What is. What does that mean?
Ben Berkwam
I will say this. The disaster has brought the community together. Some people went the other way, but it's unfortunate. But in these kind of situations, hey, people turn to God. And I think that when we turn our back on God, these things happen. But the righteous, God hears the righteous. So I think that's very important. We got to bring God back into our country.
Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you.
Ben Berkwam
I just think that it should be investigated and these people's questions should be answered in front of Congress on live tv. They've been avoiding it for two years, and we just can't get justice here. There's no justice in East Palestine. I Say if people want to help, make sure you call your local politicians. The things that we still need here is we still need relocation. The very least we deserve is medical insurance that covers these chemicals. And we need to have safer regulations and chemicals. And we also need research money. If people want to help, you can donate to Galam Research Group at the University of California, San Diego and help us get answers not only for ourselves, but for you too. I would ask President Trump to please stop Norfolk Southern from forcing families back to homes to watch their loved ones die from chemical exposure. And I ask him to stop that and to help the sick and the ones that want out get out immediately. Immediately. Help these people reimburse people that's given their homes lot taken loss on their homes and they're still not whole. They. If you want to stay in town.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yep. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. What do you mean, Ben? Hang on. Go back to. What do you mean Norfolk for Norfolk Southern forcing people to go back to their homes to see their loved ones die? What does that even mean?
Ben Berkwam
I have a 90 year old Korea Moore veteran stepfather. My mother's 83 with Parkinson's. Norfolk Southern after the EPA deemed us a special circumstance, we had Michael Regan in the home. We had Sherrod Brown, Bill Johnson. They all acknowledged the chemical smells. What happened next? They relocated us. It'll be two years. February 28th. Nothing's been done to clean the home. Nothing's been. I begged for testing of the home not from Norfolk contractors. I've had independent testing that shows contamination over and over and over and it gets higher each remediation because as they're cleaning this up, they're not doing it properly and they are re exposing residents. So now all of a sudden they decide that they're no longer paying for our relocation even though their contractors, Norfolk Southern contractor recommended tearing my home to the ground and the other two houses beside me. And you are forcing me back because you know that you put me in a home that I cannot afford the rent for. Now I have to take my family back because I'm telling you my family will die in that house. It is horrible. This needs immediate action. They need stopped.
Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you, ma'am. We'll make sure that the President hears that.
Ben Berkwam
Dr. Andrew Welton, Dr. Andrew Welton from Purdue University was here a number of times and he took some of the studies that I had done because I had paid for myself on my shop. I'm not too far from where her house is, so I know exactly what her house smells like. Fortunately, I got all my stuff out. However, he just said, yeah, they didn't test your property correctly. We confirmed it was contaminated. For months, federal government didn't act in a proper way. That helped the community recover safely. That was from Dr. Andy Welton five minutes ago. Anyone else to President.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hey, Ben. Ben, we have to bounce, but. Yeah, go ahead, sir, go ahead. I just want to see President Trump show up, show back up here to East Palestine. We need to support. And Darlington. You want him to return is what you want, and then to be able to address your grievances personally. Okay, yes, yes. Hey, Ben. Ben.
Ben Berkwam
Steve.
Stephen K. Bannon
Ben, we've got to go. I want to talk about maybe getting some folks and we'll stick around for the five to seven show. I want to continue this. I also want to talk to him like we're doing the conference call with the working group in Appalachia tomorrow. I want to get some of the folks here and we want to get on a conference call tomorrow and get kind of a punch list so we can talk to the President about it and make sure President Trump's fully informed and of course, Lee Zelda and the EPA and, and other folks. Okay, can we do that?
Ben Berkwam
Yes, sir.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yes, sir. Folks, I want to thank you. I want to thank you very much. I know it's been heart rendering. I want to thank you. We thought it was very important today to return to East Palestine because quite frankly, your tragedy, I think, changed the direction of American politics and really led, I think, a lot to this victory you're going to see that's going to be culminated on Monday and something has to be done. It's unacceptable what has happened to you. And so we will put our shoulder to the wheel and figure this out for you or together. How's that sound? Okay. Love you guys. Ben, I'll return to you. Maybe we get some folks on the 5 to 7. I'll call you after the show. Okay, thank you guys very much. Appreciate all of you doing this this morning. Really appreciate it. Okay, see right there, Is that any different? Appalachian, you see pattern recognition, you're treated like garbage. You're telling me a citizen in this country should be like that? Think about that for a second. You think that's appropriate? You think what's happening in Appalachia is appropriate? Because that's the way the system works. Let me repeat. The entire system rests on your shoulders. Not some of it, all of it. The entire American empire, the entire apparatus that your sons and daughters employed all over the world. What did they tell us? The other day, 150 countries, 125 or 135,000. Just army personnel. You add it all up. 150,000. 150 countries, a trillion dollar defense bill, deficits as far as the eye can see. Don't take it from me. House freedom caucus deal. Two year. Two year lift on the. On the debt ceiling. And $4 trillion. And they're the biggest hawks going. Let's just do the math. It looks like $2 trillion deficit every year, right? Hate to bring that up. This is the crisis we've gotten ourselves into. And who pays for it? Who pays for it? Who pays for it? You. You pay out of pocket. Your pension fund goes to support your sons and daughters, your kin, all over hell's half acre. But when it comes time for something, people have never asked for a handout in their lives. And you've got corporate welfare. What did Laura Loomer call the brologarchs? Welfare queens. Yeah. And Silicon Valley runs as an apartheid state. An apartheid state. How many African Americans, how many blacks are working in Silicon Valley? How many Hispanics work in Silicon Valley? And I'm not talking cleaning out buildings, I'm talking as executives and programmers. Tell me. Not many. You know why? It's an apartheid state. That's techno feudalism. Let's go to Bethlehem to have Jason Jones. Jason, got about two minutes, can you give us up? To what? First off, tell us where you are, why are you there, and what's the feeling on this ceasefire that's going on in the Holy Land, sir?
Ben Berkwam
Well, Steve Bannon, I'm about 20 meters from the very birthplace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I'm here because during the war, our organization, the Vulnerable People Project, granted to a jobs program to keep Christians in Bethlehem that felt the push to leave because the streets of Bethlehem, of course, are empty. I was in the place of our Lord's birth, the Church of Nativity, for hours by myself. We've also delivered food packages and trucks of food to the churches in Gaza and evacuated the Christians. And so that's why wounded Christians in Gaza, and that's why I'm here, they're happy that the war is over. You know, the most vulnerable Christian community in the world are the Christians, of course, in Gaza and the Christians in the West Bank. They're facing what they call ecclesiacide, which is the eradication of the oldest Christian community in the world. I met a gentleman today whose family had 800 years of Greek Orthodox priests in their family. I just interviewed another gentleman who said that in his home. The bedroom. His bedroom. Him and his ancestors going back to 500 AD have slept in the same bedroom. So you have Christian communities that were literally their ancestors were in the upper room in the book of acts. So the end of this war is something that gives them a lot of hope and they place a lot of hope in President Trump. In the weeks and months leading up to the election, I was in Pennsylvania working with the Syrian Christian community that was eager to support President Trump because they knew that their communities in Syria were facing ethnic cleansing and ecclesiacide as well.
Stephen K. Bannon
Wow, it's terrible what's happened over to the Christians, no doubt. Hey, Jason, can you give people I got breaking news here? Sure, yeah. I don't know about this, man. Do the dangerously cold temperatures expected Monday. President Elect Trump's inauguration is moving indoors. Sources tell Kate Sullivan and Caitlin Collins at cnn. Expect Trump advance to be sworn in inside the Capitol rotunda. Come on, man, where's that grit and determination and toughness? What is. What was the temperature when Jack Kennedy got. I know, I know. Reagan in the second term, I think was inside the Capitol. But, man, Reagan was. I don't know. I don't know about that. We're gonna have to check into that one. Not feeling good about that. Of course it's cold. It's January. Don't know about that at all. I don't think that's the right stuff. We'll dig down on that recommendation of President Trump and the inauguration Team Biden, all of you, get out on the west side. Let's have an inauguration. Biden, who stole it in 20 like gutless cowards. Remember, they had like a people there with the mask on. That's a travesty. We need to be up and we need to be bold on Monday. So when President Trump puts his hand on the King James Bible, takes the oath of Office as the 47th President of the United States. We can fire off the football. Let's get back up. It ain't going to be that cold. Is this because the oligarchs are there? Are they too tender coming from Silicon Valley? Valley? Are they too soft? They can't sit in the cold. Then don't come. Sign the surrender document somewhere else. Okay, Charlie Kirk is next. Two hours of Populous National Jack Bosoba gather. We're back five to seven live tonight. As always, we'll see you back here in the war room. Leave you with the right stuff. The great film from Philip Kaufman. See you. I want to warn you of a huge change that could be coming to our money in our bank accounts. First, think back to 9 11, shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act. This gave the government power to spy on innocent Americans by monitoring our phone and email and tracking our movement across the Internet. Now Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial newsletter Strategic Intelligence and New York Times best selling authority, is warning about a coming event that could elevate this governmental surveillance to a terrifying new level. In fact, some of the guests I've had on the War Room believe that the government will soon expand their powers to track our every move. If we say the wrong things on social media, donate to the wrong causes, buy firearms, or even vote maga, the government may be able to shut us out of our bank accounts. I can't say for sure if this will happen, but it's an interesting and dire warning. Fortunately, Jim Rickards, an American patriot and friend of mine, has made it his mission to educate us on what he believes is coming and how to protect yourself from the possibility of programmable money. Watch Jim's warning video now before it's censored like I've been in the past. Go to rickardswarroom.com that's rickardswarroom.com now to see the video. 700,000Americans every year. Yes, heart disease is the number one killer every year, year in and year out. Heart disease builds over time. Hypertension, high blood pressure, bad cholesterol, diabetes, all of it affects our heart. A healthy heart is key to being energetic. As we get older. It is never too early to take care of your heart. You see, heart disease sneaks up on us. You can start in your 30s and when this happens, you're at serious ricks by the time you turn 60. If you want to take care of your heart and those you care about, please go to war roomhealth.com that's war room health.com all one word war room health.com use the code war room at checkout to save 67% of your first shipment. That's code war room at checkout to save sixty seven percent and do it again. War room health all one word war roomhealth.com go there today. You need if you're going to be part of the posse, you need a strong heart. You need a lion's heart. How we're going to do that is with Solti. Go there, do it today. Check it out. Hey war room. Hope you're all doing well. My name is Trevor Comstock. I'm one of the co creators of Sacred Human and I wanted to share just a little bit more about our.
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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room
Episode: 4202: The Left Behind In East Palestine; The American Apparatus Rests On Your Shoulders
Release Date: January 17, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Source: WarRoom.org
In Episode 4202 of "Bannon's War Room," host Stephen K. Bannon delves deep into the current political landscape, emphasizing the struggles of communities like East Palestine, Ohio. The episode intertwines national political strategies with grassroots activism, highlighting the challenges faced by ordinary Americans amidst systemic neglect and corporate malfeasance.
Stephen K. Bannon opens the discussion by critiquing the Democratic Party's preparedness and their inability to counter the MAGA movement effectively. He underscores the unpreparedness of Democrats in addressing substantive policy issues, contrasting it with the robust presentations from Republican nominees.
Bannon highlights key Republican figures such as Marco Rubio, Pete Hegseth, Scott Bessant, and Russ Vogt, praising their presentations and noting the lack of substantial pushback from Democrats during their appearances.
He criticizes Democratic strategies, particularly the influence of oligarchs and globalists, arguing that policies favoring big corporations over the working class have led to widespread economic disparities.
The discussion transitions to the national debt and fiscal responsibility. Bannon expresses concern over the projected deficits and the impact of proposed legislations by the House Freedom Caucus.
He emphasizes the importance of diversifying savings and criticizes the bailout of institutions like Silicon Valley Bank, portraying it as favoritism towards oligarchs at the expense of ordinary Americans.
Bannon outlines President Trump's approach to economic policies, including the use of executive orders and comprehensive legislation aimed at reversing previous administrations' decisions and promoting MAGA-centric economic reforms.
A significant portion of the episode focuses on the plight of residents in East Palestine, Ohio, following a catastrophic train derailment caused by Norfolk Southern. Ben Berkwam, a resident, shares firsthand experiences of inadequate relief and ongoing environmental contamination.
Berkwam details the community's struggles with the settlement offered by Norfolk Southern, highlighting that the compensation is insufficient and comes with restrictive conditions. He recounts personal hardships, including selling homes at a loss and facing bureaucratic obstacles to receive adequate medical support.
Bannon critiques the government's response, accusing agencies like the EPA and FEMA of negligence and of siding with corporate interests over the well-being of citizens. He calls for President Trump's intervention to secure national disaster relief and ensure justice for the affected communities.
Bannon delves into the concentration of wealth and power within a few corporations and individuals, linking it to systemic issues that disadvantage the average American. He criticizes figures like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, labeling them as part of the oligarchic structure that undermines democratic processes.
He argues that the bailout of Silicon Valley Bank and similar institutions exemplifies the preferential treatment of the wealthy and powerful, further entrenching economic inequality.
Addressing national security, Bannon expresses concerns over the weaponization of drones and their implications for both foreign and domestic security. He advocates for comprehensive legislation to extend surveillance and law enforcement capabilities to counter drone threats effectively.
He references recent incidents where drone activities have disrupted public events, emphasizing the need for robust legal frameworks to mitigate such threats.
Bannon discusses ongoing international conflicts, particularly the ceasefire in the Holy Land, and its significance for vulnerable Christian communities in regions like Gaza and the West Bank. Through interviews with Jason Jones, he highlights the hopes of these communities for stability and support from President Trump.
He underscores the importance of President Trump's policies in preventing ethnic cleansing and maintaining the safety of marginalized groups worldwide.
The episode touches upon legal battles surrounding the regulation and oversight of large corporations. Bannon criticizes the role of legal institutions like the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) and the Supreme Court in validating executive actions that may undermine democratic principles.
He calls for greater transparency and accountability within government agencies to ensure that policies align with the interests of the American people rather than corporate entities.
Bannon emphasizes the power of grassroots movements in effecting change, urging listeners to engage actively in political processes by contacting senators and supporting Republican nominees. He frames the struggle as a collective effort to dismantle entrenched oligarchic systems and restore power to ordinary citizens.
He encourages listeners to take personal responsibility in combating systemic issues, positioning the MAGA movement as a means to achieve substantial political and economic reforms.
In concluding the episode, Bannon reiterates the need for immediate action to address both national and local issues. He pledges continued support for communities like East Palestine and urges listeners to remain vigilant and proactive in their political engagements.
Bannon closes with a commitment to further discussions and initiatives aimed at supporting affected communities and advancing the MAGA agenda.
Political Readiness: The Republican nominees are better prepared to address substantive policy issues compared to their Democratic counterparts.
Economic Disparities: There's a critical need to address national debt and prevent further economic decline by revising fiscal policies.
Corporate Influence: Large corporations and oligarchs wield disproportionate influence over government policies, often to the detriment of ordinary Americans.
Community Struggles: Communities like East Palestine face systemic neglect and inadequate compensation following corporate-induced disasters.
National Security: The weaponization of drones poses significant threats that require comprehensive legislative action.
Grassroots Empowerment: Active engagement from citizens is essential in dismantling corrupt systems and ensuring policies reflect the populace's interests.
Stephen K. Bannon:
"The People have had a belly full of it. It's going to happen."
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Stephen K. Bannon:
"If wealth and power is concentrated... they've been in Appalachia for two days with Ben Berkwam about the flood and what has happened to those folks there."
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Ben Berkwam:
"We sold our house at a loss... Everything's going to be remediated. Just."
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Stephen K. Bannon:
"Mark Zuckerberg is a criminal and should be charged."
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Ben Berkwam:
"How dumb do you think people are? It's offensive."
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Episode 4202 of "Bannon's War Room" presents a fervent critique of current political and economic systems, advocating for the MAGA movement as a solution to widespread systemic issues. By spotlighting the struggles of East Palestine, Ohio, Bannon underscores the urgent need for policy reforms and grassroots activism to reclaim power for ordinary Americans.