Episode 4210: Releasing The J6 Hostages

Summary

Bannon’s War Room: Episode 4210 – Releasing The J6 Hostages
Release Date: January 21, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Duration: Approximately 52 minutes
Guests: Tom Fitton, Ben Berkwam, Mickey Babbitt, John Solomon, Julie Kelly, and others

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Introduction

In Episode 4210 of Bannon’s War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves into the contentious and ongoing efforts to release individuals imprisoned in connection with the January 6th (J6) Capitol events. The episode features robust discussions with prominent guests, including Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch, Ben Berkwam from Condemned USA, Mickey Babbitt (wife of Ashley Babbitt, who was fatally shot during the Capitol riot), investigative journalist John Solomon, and reporter Julie Kelly.

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Pardons and the Department of Justice (DOJ)

Timestamp: [00:02 – 11:44]

The episode opens with a heated exchange between Steve Bannon and Tom Fitton regarding the state of the current administration and its handling of legal actions against supporters of former President Donald Trump. Tom Fitton highlights the saturation of lawsuits against President Trump, emphasizing the administration's persistent legal challenges across various executive orders.

• Tom Fitton: “The resistance is both internal to President Trump and what he's trying to accomplish, and it's also external. Now he's firing thousands of people, dismissing thousands of people.” [00:49]

Bannon and Fitton discuss the mass workforce within the federal system, noting the vast number of individuals (approx. 10 million) who have access to sensitive information, raising concerns about potential actions against Trump’s allies.

• Stephen K. Bannon: “President Trump is equivalent of being the army command in Saigon in 1966. You don't know who your friends are and who your enemies are.” [06:00]

The conversation shifts to President Trump's use of executive orders (EOs) and pardons, with Bannon praising specific EOs like the one targeting birthright citizenship and expressing skepticism about the legality and specificity of Biden’s pardons related to the J6 committee.

• Stephen K. Bannon: “The pardons are unconstitutional, they lack specificity, and they should be considered nullity under the Constitution.” [07:43]

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The J6 Committee and Political Ramifications

Timestamp: [11:44 – 19:34]

Bannon and Fitton explore the implications of the J6 committee's actions and the broader political fallout. They argue that the committee overstepped its bounds, lacking adequate representation for the minority party and compromising the adversarial legal process.

• Tom Fitton: “The J6 committee has got to be made an example. We can never allow that to happen again.” [08:30]

They discuss the necessity of re-evaluating the committee's legitimacy and advocate for holding key figures accountable, including leveraging executive powers to challenge the committee's actions.

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Ashley Babbitt’s Case and Judicial Watch’s Role

Timestamp: [16:42 – 27:04]

The episode features in-depth discussions about the tragic death of Ashley Babbitt, a U.S. Air Force veteran who was fatally shot during the Capitol breach. Mickey Babbitt shares her family's struggle and emphasizes the need for justice and accountability.

• Mickey Babbitt: “Ashley’s here to share it with us in spirit... Judicial Watch are amazing watchdogs for our government.” [22:42]

Tom Fitton commends the efforts of Judicial Watch and highlights ongoing legal battles aimed at holding responsible parties, including federal officials, accountable for Ashley’s death and similar incidents.

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On-the-Ground Updates: Prisoner Releases and Activism

Timestamp: [28:20 – 48:51]

Guests Ben Berkwam and others provide live updates from outside the D.C. jail, discussing the slow and obstructive process of releasing J6 hostages despite presidential pardons. They report on specific cases, detailing the hardships faced by prisoners awaiting release and the bureaucratic delays hindering their freedom.

• Ben Berkwam: “We have a hearing, for instance, like scheduled the end of the month. If I were President Trump, respectfully, I'd shut this case down on terms favorable to her family.” [26:20]

Mickey Babbitt elaborates on the inhumane treatment of prisoners, criticizing the judicial system's bias and the prolonged injustices faced by those wrongfully incarcerated.

• Mickey Babbitt: “They’re used to doing whatever they want to do... These men have to be held accountable.” [25:35]

Reporters John Solomon and Julie Kelly contribute by discussing the broader implications of the DOJ's actions and the need for Congress to repudiate the J6 committee's findings to open avenues for further investigations and exonerations.

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Expert Opinions and Future Actions

Timestamp: [31:03 – 52:43]

John Solomon provides his perspective on the necessity for Congress to take a formal stance against the J6 committee’s findings, suggesting that repudiation would invalidate the committee's work and facilitate future legal actions.

• John Solomon: “The next logical step that's going to happen in Congress is that they repudiate the findings of the J6 committee.” [31:26]

The discussion also touches upon the personal stories of released prisoners, such as William Sarsfield, highlighting the emotional and psychological toll of prolonged detention without due process.

• William Sarsfield: “We got to stick together. Where we go one, we go all.” [41:57]

Advertisements interspersed throughout the episode promote various services aligned with the show's themes, including emergency preparedness, debt relief, and health supplements, emphasizing self-reliance and financial independence.

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Conclusion and Call to Action

Timestamp: [52:43 – End]

In the concluding segments, Bannon and Fitton reinforce the necessity of continued activism and support for the released J6 hostages. They urge listeners to stay informed, support legal battles, and participate in grassroots movements aimed at ensuring justice and accountability within the federal system.

• Tom Fitton: “You can't back off any of this. Fauci, J6, Millie—all of it.” [29:32]

Julie Kelly underscores the importance of media coverage and public support in driving the exoneration efforts, calling for sustained pressure on governmental institutions to rectify injustices.

• Julie Kelly: “These people's lives have been destroyed. Families broken up, divorces, bankruptcies, outcasts.” [40:39]

The episode wraps up with final calls to action, encouraging listeners to engage with support organizations, stay vigilant against governmental overreach, and continue advocating for the rights of those unjustly imprisoned.

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Notable Quotes

• Steve Bannon: “President Trump is equivalent of being the army command in Saigon in 1966. You don't know who your friends are and who your enemies are.” [06:00]

• Tom Fitton: “The J6 committee has got to be made an example. We can never allow that to happen again.” [08:30]

• Mickey Babbitt: “Ashley’s here to share it with us in spirit... Judicial Watch are amazing watchdogs for our government.” [22:42]

• John Solomon: “The next logical step that's going to happen in Congress is that they repudiate the findings of the J6 committee.” [31:26]

• William Sarsfield: “We got to stick together. Where we go one, we go all.” [41:57]

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Key Takeaways

• Legal Challenges: The Trump administration faces widespread legal challenges across multiple executive orders and policies, with discussions emphasizing the need for strategic legal defenses.

• J6 Committee Scrutiny: There is significant opposition to the J6 committee's authority and findings, advocating for its dissolution and repudiation to prevent future overreach.

• Pardons Controversy: The legitimacy and implementation of pardons related to the J6 events are questioned, highlighting potential constitutional conflicts and the need for specificity.

• Justice for Ashley Babbitt: The tragic death of Ashley Babbitt serves as a focal point for discussions on police accountability and the broader fight for justice for J6 participants.

• Prisoner Release Delays: Despite presidential pardons, bureaucratic delays and systemic resistance continue to prevent the timely release of J6 hostages, necessitating continued activism and legal intervention.

• Community and Support: Emphasis on community support, legal advocacy, and grassroots movements as essential tools in combating governmental overreach and securing justice for the imprisoned.

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Resources Mentioned

• For Ashley Initiative: forashley.com
• Judicial Watch: judicialwatch.org
• Condemned USA: condemnedusa.com
• John Solomon’s Reporting: news.com
• Julie Kelly’s Platforms:
  • declassifiedwithjulie.com
  • Real Clear Investigations
  • Twitter: @Julie_Kelly

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Note: The episode contains advertisements promoting products and services related to emergency preparedness, debt relief, and health supplements. These segments are standard for the podcast and align with the show's themes of self-reliance and financial independence.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.

[Tom Fitton]

Prison's not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.

[Steve Bannon]

I know you try to do everything.

[Tom Fitton]

In the world to stop that, but.

[Steve Bannon]

You'Re not going to stop it.

[Tom Fitton]

It's going to happen.

[Mickey Babbitt]

And where do people like that go.

[Tom Fitton]

To share the big lie? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my.

[Steve Bannon]

Country, this country will be saved.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Tom Fitton]

It's Wednesday, 21st January, year of our 2024. Besides the media coming after him, there are multiple lawsuits, multiple lawsuits in every federal court in the country on multiple things. On Doge, on deportation, on every, on virtually every executive order. And what's not been filed now will be filed by 5:00 today. Are you feeling unity? Do you think they're going to unite? This is going to be a political, I use this metaphor. It's going to be a political gunfight. Just is. They're not going to sit there. You've had multiple. The resistance. And the resistance is both internal to President Trump and what he's trying to accomplish, and it's also external. Now he's firing thousands of people, dismissing thousands of people. But let me go back. There's two and a half million. I'm giving you round numbers. Two and a half million civilian employees, two and a half million military, five million contractors, roughly at the executive level. That's 10 million bodies that get access to information. What kind of information? Well, are we going to be this afternoon in Chicago doing a raid? I don't think so. Maybe Ben Berkhoff might know that. Maybe. But it was leaked by the. To the Washington Post on Saturday, details of the 200 officers, ICE officers that Tom Homan had been working on. And then later, Homan came out and I think the Washington Post the next day, that would be Sunday, and said, you know, this thing may be on hold. Why? This is how they got us in the first administration. President Trump, you have to understand, President Trump is equivalent of being the army command in Saigon in 1966. You don't know who your friends are and who your enemies are. You just don't. And they're coming at you from every different direction. And this is where you have to Power through. President Trump, then again today, said there's going to be a massive infrastructure. What he has done across the board, from getting out of the climate change to getting out of who, going to be lawsuits about all this. Ministry of State is also going to try to chop block him in all of it. It has to be powered through. You know, gosh, you might say, wow, you know, I think I remember, you know, pulling out of the WHO and pulling out of the climate Accord. I don't know. We pulled out in March or February, started the process. But what they do is they suck. They put so many regulations and rules around it, they just can't do an edict. Boom, we're out, we're out. No, it's got reviews and all this. President Trump, we signed it, I think in April, February, March or April of 17. One of the first things we did to Paris, because it was ridiculous, we're underwriting the Chinese, basically economy because they had no caps whatsoever. Remember the. Was it the Gilet Jean? Remember the yellow vest. Remember the yellow vest protest? I think it was in 1918, maybe 18 in Paris, in the hinterlands of France. What was that about? That was about the working class. That was the MAGA of France putting more, I guess, taxes on costing diesel fuel more than they all run on diesel, a lot more diesel. They were having to pay for Macron and the elite's involvement in the Paris Climate Accords. They put it on the working class and they revolted. Remember they went to Paris and burned down a big part of it on the Champs Elay. Remember that? All the way to the Arc de Triomphe, that right there they were burning the restaurants and having a riot up and down the street. They got a little out of control, right? Maybe it's kind of like J6. Oops, did I say that? President Trump. And if he wasn't committed the night before to do this, he was certainly, I think, committed and saw the logic of it, the internal logic of it, by before he walked in the stage where he walked in yesterday at 11:30, because at 10:00 they pardoned all the J6 committee and the staff and anybody associated with it. Shifty Schiff. Shifty Schiff's up there. Last night he didn't want to pardon. How bad is then? Don't take it, Schiff, don't take it, don't take it. And we'll see what happens. Tom Fenton's out. And look, when I have any questions this regard. Fenton's not a lawyer. It's like Julie Kelly's not a lawyer, Grassley's not a lawyer. There's a pattern there, right? They can't give you legal advice, but they can break things down because they're not lawyers. They don't come in from a lawyer's mentality. Tom Fenton, and Tom Fenton's got great lawyers on staff. Tom Fenton's telling us that these partners don't mean much. They won't stand up. He wants to go hard. I 100% agree with him. The J6 committee has got to be made an example. We can never allow that to happen again. President Trump wrote an executive order about weaponization, but right there we got an example. We can never allow this to be happening again. That a congressional committee can be formed and that the party in charge can deem that the minority party can't have representation, the representation they want, and they can't have a ranking member and you can't have minority counsel. What does that mean? It means you get the evidence, you get to cross examine witnesses, and therefore, that is the adversarial process we have in our court system, the advocacy. You have an advocate for your side, you have an advocate for another, and you fight it out with evidence, with facts in front of people, only the facts that are presented. This is why the system goes forward. This and executive privilege is why I said, no, this is not right. And I'm not going to kowtow to that. I went to federal prison about it. Big deal. I didn't whine about that. That just was part of the process. But these folks have to be held accountable. Yesterday was a liberation day. And part of liberation is accountability. It has to be held accountable. Do we still have Ben Berkwam? Is he down at the prison? Let me know when Ben's up. I got Ben. Do I have Julie Kelly? Let me see if I can get Julie Kelly. I'm trying to get Fenton. John Solomon's going to join us. John Solomon's got a great piece up about this. I don't want to spend too much time on J60. I got the great Tom Fenton. So, Tom Fenton, I tell people, I always defer to your judgment on topics like this because you have been the people's Justice Department, I don't know, for 10 or 12 years. You put up something last night and you got to walk me through this because very important for our audience. You said, hey, these pardons are irrelevant, illegal, they can't go. And we got to go and press forward on the J6 committee. What do you mean, sir?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, you know to the degree the pardons are not specific, to the degree they frankly haven't been delivered, and to the degree they require President Trump to affect them, they should be considered nullity. Nullity is under the Constitution. And you know, I was trying to think through how the challenge could proceed. And the challenge would be the Justice Department or other law enforcement agencies such as the Defense Department. In the case of Milley, just proceed. And Milley can highlight the pardon as a defense. Others can, Fauci can highlight the pardon as a defense. But the idea that there are blanket pardons is constitutionally unprecedented, to be fair, other than Nixon. But Nixon's was never challenged in that regard. And so all these, all these Twitter reply guys as I'm calling him, and legal Twitter, you know, we've been around the block on this issue many times. We looked into this issue when you may recall when Clinton on his way out the door issued all sorts of pardons, we tried to convince the Biden, the Bush administration, you can shut it down by not delivering them. You know, you can't be hijacked by Bill Clinton with last minute pardons to figure out who and what people are being pardoned over. Similarly, look at those January 6th.

[Tom Fitton]

Tom, hang on, Tom, slow down. Explain to our people what that process is. If they had issued a pardon a year ago or and for J6, six months ago, their Justice Department under Merrick Garland would done all the paperwork and would have done the process. Your point is when they wait to the last second and try to be cute about things, the next administration and you, you were on the top of this about the pardons early on, that for Clinton, the Clinton pardons that you wanted Bush and those guys to take them, they wouldn't take up. So walk me through when you say just not deliver on it, do it. What are you saying for President Trump, his Justice Department or the new Justice Department has to actually execute on these things and deliver them, correct, sir? Yes.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And they're going to. So the argument's going to be whether they've been fully executed and acted upon. And you know, I understand there's going to be two sides of the argument, you know, but the left wants us to believe there's never any argument here. Right. And I'm saying there is. So President Trump can direct his pardon attorney stop any work on these pardons. Now, specifically on the January 6th committee pardons, there, there's a list of names that aren't present, you know, or there's a group of names that aren't delineated in terms of specificity, how is that pardon going to be implemented or delivered? Who's on the list? And so President Trump should decline to affect that pardon because he's being asked to effect the pardon, effectively by being given, oh, you need to pardon, you know, we're going to pardon everyone who talked to the January 6 committee. All the cops. Well, what does that mean? Who's the staff? How do we figure out what staff is versus, you know, people who weren't staff? All sorts of legal questions. So my point is that pardons can be revoked and the way in this case to revoke them is, is to question their level of specificity. Blanket pardons are really outside the legal norm, our constitutional norms and the common law of England in which the pardon power arises from. So there's all sorts of reasons. And what is the way to test it? General Milley, court martial him.

[Tom Fitton]

So I just want to marshal him.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And let him issue that.

[Tom Fitton]

Hang on, you're, you're, you're recommending because you're saying Foushee J6 and Millie. But you want to start by having what the program was to recall General Milley to active duty, I think first for step one, and then court martial him in front of a UCMJ tribunal or court martial panel and do that immediately. And he can bring up the fact that Biden, the commander in chief, although we think he's illegitimate, the commander in chief at the time, although I would love to litigate that with. You issued him a pardon that could be part of his defense, correct? Yeah.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You know, and even as you talk, it occurs to me, Steve, is, is, is a, is a court martial covered by this pardon? I don't know. I don't even know.

[Tom Fitton]

I would not. I would not. I don't think you can, I don't know if you can pardon unless you're specific. I don't know if you can pardon for, you know, under ucmj, I'm not sure. Particularly for treason, which it is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That raises another issue.

[Tom Fitton]

But here's where I admire. But, but Fenton, you're the guy. It's the people's Justice Department, right? What Tom Fenton has done over the last 10, 12, 14 years has been nothing short of. I mean, for the years in the wilderness. During Obama, you were the only thing we had Judicial Watch. My dad used to, you know, my dad in his 90s, would tell me that Tom Fenton, Steve, is the best guy you ever met. My dad would hit Tom with 50 bucks every, every year and say he'd get his newsletter Read his newsletter. He read the ink off that because he was a guy that was a no BS guy and he knew you had him on. All these other EOs were already in federal. They're already hitting us in a firestorm of lawsuits everywhere. What other ones do you think are the most controversial?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, the Birthright citizenship to me is a brilliant eo. It addresses the issue quite directly. It recognizes that there's this issue about what a natural born citizen is. And the President has a right to interpret the law as he sees fit under the Constitution. As the EEO points out, the congressional, the legislative language echoes the Constitution and that doesn't resolve the issue as to whether someone who's here temporarily or illegally, their children automatically become citizens. I don't think that was what was intended under the 14th amendment. I don't even think it was contemplated that this category of person would be even considered possibly to be a citizen. So that's to me brilliant. I was thinking I'd be interested in your put on this to see these EOs. To me the pardons were worth the price of admission for the Trump second Trump term. But you, you were there at the beginning of the last administration. What a marked difference. And it's all due respect everyone who was coming in into that situation to have these ready like this, it's just so shows such great staffing. It's fantastic.

[Tom Fitton]

Hang on one second, I gotta hold. You just do a short commercial break. Tom Fitton's with Judicial March.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Tom Fitton]

Eligibility for your free silver today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, Tom Fenton, we got a lot else to talk about. You're going to be in action today with the Trump people. We got to ask you, you've been at the forefront of this, this Michael Byrd, the murder of Ashley Babbitt. Where do we stand on this and how did what happened yesterday play into this?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, to me, this is part of the justice issue. We have this lawsuit against the federal government for $30 million for Aaron, Ashley's and Ashley's estate. Aaron is her widower. And so we have a hearing, for instance, like scheduled the end of the month. I mean, if I were President Trump, respectfully, I'd shut this case down on terms favorable to her family. Are they going to defend the shooting death of Ashley Babbitt in court? I can't imagine they would. And so I would elevate this to a high priority. This woman was needlessly shot and killed by Bird. And the last thing I can imagine Trump wants to do is defend that in court or force us to have to fight them in court over this, even for one minute.

[Tom Fitton]

Hey, Tom, I need to talk to you after the show and then I want to have you back on. But people, I want to tell you, Tom Fenton is one of the greatest warriors in our movement and he's a self effacing guy. You never see the Judicial Watch team. His team is magnificent. They're never promoting. They're the least self promotional people I've ever met. Just the people's Justice Department. And now we've got a real Justice Department in a different Justice Department. And the work you guys have done to dovetail, because I want to have you back on and go over all these, but I want to talk to you first after the show. And we can coordinate. But it's just magnificent what you've done. And your thing yesterday is the type of thinking that changes the way people approach things. It's kind of very Trumpian in that regard. It's not just outside the box. It's changing the entire game. You are supported this Fauci Tom Fenton saying is that, hey, look, just because he tried to be cute and gave Fauci and the J6 and Milley these pardons on the way out, there's so many questions and Trump's Justice Department has to execute on them. If he had done it a year ago, then it had Been his Garland, Merrick Garland, but he didn't do that. So we have an opportunity. What Fenton's saying is that they don't matter. Press on and let them use it in the defense in court. Is that basically the theory of the case for you, Tom?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, some of it may be valid. I'm not. You know, the point is, this is the sort of thing you just can't presume, oh, Biden pardoned his entire family for crimes unknown since 2014, and that settles the issue that's really unprecedented in scope. And the unspecificity makes it unenforceable. They can't implement it even if they wanted to. You can't ask a court to say, oh, well, you know, what crimes are at issue here? What are we going to be litigating over? Let's focus on what they did. Well, in the least. And it doesn't stop criminal investigations. In the least, it doesn't stop criminal investigations.

[Tom Fitton]

And they've admitted now they got a problem that's saying they put. They came, it was a great unmasking. And Nixon's totally different. That is a completely different thing about a sitting president, Tom. Social media and where do people first, where do people go to get these great little videos you put up and your social media, and then where do they go to learn more about Judicial Watch overall.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We're on Rumble. Of course, you're banned from YouTube still, but we're on Twitter and Facebook and. Well, it's a pain in the neck because we want to post this stuff when I'm on with you on. On YouTube.

[Tom Fitton]

Right, I agree.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I take it down.

[Tom Fitton]

Yeah. No, it's because you're still banned on War Room.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You know, maybe you should.

[Tom Fitton]

Oh, that wouldn't be Google, would it?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, it is Google.

[Tom Fitton]

No, no, no. We were badge of honor.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They may show up at the inauguration, but they're still abusing conservatives. Okay, so we're all Facebook, Twitter, Judicial Watch.org directly. And we gotta keep on. We gotta keep on winning every day. Every day's a battle.

[Tom Fitton]

Every day.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And the left is an opposite. You know, they're always being opposition to the truth, so the battles never stop.

[Tom Fitton]

Listen to Tom Fenton. That's a warrior's warrior right there. And President Trump respects his judgment above all others in these areas. And that's why this is what Tom Fenton said last night when I saw it, I said, bang. That's what I've been looking for. Fenton's at the tip of the spear in this thing. And we're going to roll. Remember where you heard it first, folks. Where Tom Fenton put it up on the 20th in the evening and the 21st in the morning. This is going to happen. We're not backing off any of this. Fauci J6 Millie all of it. Tom Fenton, honored to have you on here, sir. Talk to you after the show. Thanks, Steve.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And thank you for the good word. Thank you.

[Tom Fitton]

President Trump immediately take finish. Think Milley should be recalled to active duty today before the close of business today. Let's start the whole ball rolling. Recall him to active duty. Step one. Step two, empanel. A uniform code of military justice tribunal for the, for the treason trial of General Milley, who portrait was taken down out of the Pentagon yesterday because it's a disgrace to his country. And he begged more than anybody for this pardon. So, you know, he knows he's up to it, to his neck in it. Ben Berkwam, you're down at the jail, or I call a prison for humane, inhumane treatment. And folks, everybody associated with the torturing of these patriots is going to be held accountable. But you're there with a very special person. Who you got, Ben? And what's the word?

[Ben Berkwam]

Yeah. Hey, Steve, Tom just brought it up. Ashley Babbitt's case. I'm here with Ashley's mom, Mickey, who has been doing the vigil out here for 903 days. This is the culmination of that. Ashley, I mean, excuse me, Mickey. I keep calling you Ashley. I see Ashley in you. Thank you. I appreciate that. What is your message? You were just hearing to Tom and listening to Tom and Steve. What is today?

[Mickey Babbitt]

Well, I. Today is going to be Ashley's victory. You know, Ashley's here to share it with us in spirit. And, you know, I want to just say, as far as Judicial Watch goes, we are honored to have them fighting so hard for Ashley Babbitt because they are amazing watchdogs for our government. And, you know, I've seen Tom Finn walk into a room and grown men just get a little weak in the knees because they know, they know he's going to foia him. You know, that's just amazing. The Judicial Watch people are very, very strong advocates for American rights. And so it's an honor to have them fighting for Ashley. You know, go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Tom Fitton]

Tell me on this, tell me on this day about, tell us about Ashley and about Michael Byrd and all of it. We want to hear it because we believe that now the criminal charges against Michael Byrd, look, Ashley Babbitt Sergeant Babbitt was murdered in cold blood in that, in the Capitol that day. And we must get accountability for that. We must get justice for Ashley Babbitt, ma'am.

[Mickey Babbitt]

Absolutely. You know, and that's part of the reason to be here is just, you know, Ashley, four time deployed United States Air Force veteran, murdered in cold blood by a crooked cop, a dirty cop, which a lot of people didn't realize till Judicial Watch press for that information. And, you know, a disciplinary record that dates back decades than in any other police force would have had him removed instead of promoted and exonerated. So, you know, we absolutely need an investigation into him. But of course, you know, Biden pardoned him on the way out the door, too. So, you know, we're waiting in front of this jail because, as usual, you know, DC has been torturing these men and women for the whole time they've been in there, and they continue the process. These men should have been out before midnight last night. And yet these jackboot thuggery people behind us just continue to prolong the process. You know, we were out here till 1 o'clock in the morning last night. It was freezing. But we were doing it, you know, with great glee, expecting to see our people come out. We do have a house here in D.C. that we call the Eagle's Nest, which is very much not an ode to Hitler. And we won that war, so we took the name back. And, you know, we were lucky enough to receive Stuart Rhodes and the LEGO Man. And, you know, we have, we have been housing some Jan6 political prisoners as they get out. And we have been able to, you know, welcome them back to the community. But the guys behind us, still waiting. And still waiting. And still waiting, because that's how D.C. does things, because they're used to doing whatever they want to do. And now that Trump's back in power, they're going to have to dance to a new tune to, you know, to answer to some regulations and some, you know, a new sheriff in town.

[Tom Fitton]

Explain to me for a moment when you say jackbooted thuggery. These men have been, many of them have been like four years in this process. Walk me through, when you say jack booted thuggery, what do you mean?

[Mickey Babbitt]

Well, just the whole judicial process, you know, the things that President Trump went through, the things that you went through to Mr. Bannon, you know, just the, the way that when you go into a D.C. courtroom, everybody in this city considers themselves a victim of January 6th. So to have the people that consider themselves victims sit in Judgment of you is really not a very fair way to do things. And, you know, it really becomes what, what is collusion between the FBI, the prosecutors and, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say the judges, the judges that come in here with a preconceived notion and tell you that you are not a patriot. If you came to protest a stolen election. And the only patriots there that day were Capitol Police officers. When we have seen Capitol Police officers act in arrestable ways. And, you know, if we're going to hold American citizens so accountable. Enrique Terrier was released today, last night, and he was doing a 22 year sentence in jail, but he wasn't in the city when it happened. So, you know, it was very much a political persecution of our people. And it's not going to stand anymore. It's not going to stand. But like in true fashion, DC continues to drag their feet. We have major media people out here waiting with us along, you know, the same way, but they continue to hold on to that. We can do what we want to do. We can treat these people however we want to treat them. And even though President Trump said they should be free men at 12 o'clock last night, they still remain behind bars. They let them go out for wreck and get all sweaty, all sweaty, Will not let them shower this morning or use the restroom and have taken the shower curtains. Just any little pissy thing they can do to make these men feel less than human, they do. And so that needs to come to an end probably. I Hope in about 10 minutes I.

[Tom Fitton]

Will tell you the inhuman nature of what they can make prison is pretty powerful. Mickey, you're, you're a. There's a lot of Ashley in you and she speaks to you. Where do people go on social media? Where they go to the site, all of it, ma'am.

[Mickey Babbitt]

We have a website called forashley.com and I would say that in the past it would, it would lead you to be able to write the guys in prison letters and support them on their commissary. But, you know, they're going to be out and they're going to be free men soon. But you can find information out about them. There are still, you know, Patriot Mail Project. There's a link on our site that you can go and you can learn a lot about these men and maybe learn how to help them get started back in life. And there's a J6 road home project through Jenny Cudd out of Texas, so, you know, you can support those people in so many ways. So God bless you for asking. I appreciate that.

[Tom Fitton]

Thank you, ma'am. Ben, you hang right there. Take a short commercial break. Birchgold.com Ben, at the end of the Dollar Empire, Modern Monetary theory, the idea that broke the world, get up to speed on it. We need you at the ramparts on all things financial. You need to understand this. We got Ben Berkwam down at the jail. We got John Solomon in the studio. Julie Kelly's with us. Short break.

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[Tom Fitton]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, I've got murders. Look, we got so much more to do. We got national security, we have debt, we have the border, we have the army called out all of it. We're gonna get to that in the five to seven hour tonight. It'll be lit, that I guarantee you. We gotta deal with this though, this action before us because I can tell you this is the forefront of President Trump's mind. Ben Berkwom put us in the room. Are the prisoners, they should have been released last night had they been released. Are we gonna get them in the next couple of minutes?

[Ben Berkwam]

Yeah, most of them, Steve, should have been released four years ago. But what we're anticipating. I'm gonna step out of the shot here real quick and just show you what's going on here. They put up some caution tape when I arrived here just a few minutes ago and then they moved these vans into place. There's three of these vans, transport vans, you can't see all of them. There's a second one there and then a third one behind it. And what it looks like they're doing is setting it up to move these guys out of the way quickly. Usually what happens is they'll bring them, release them out those doors behind me. They'll be able to walk over here, and everyone's waiting to talk to them. My, my guess is they're actually trying to get them in these vans and move them out. They blocked off some of the streets down here. So something's about to happen. We're anticipating. Like you said, they should have been released last night. It's just an app. And by the way, the argument, the justification they said for not releasing them was they didn't have the guy that was supposed to be here to sign the paperwork. I mean, just absolute.

[Tom Fitton]

No, terrible. They did that to me. They did that to me, too. That's an old trick, right? It's an old trick. Hang on. Berkwom. John Solomon, your piece this morning put this in perspective. Where are we on all of this? And I want also your comments and opinions and observations on what Tom Fenton saying about Scrum Press, on with Trump's Justice Department. Your thoughts, sir?

[John Solomon]

Well, listen, there are legitimate questions that still need to be criminally investigated, regardless of whether the pardons turn out to be be legal or not. Most of the legal experts I talked to today on both sides, liberals and conservatives, said it's a plenary power that has a lot of latitude. That said, it doesn't prevent someone from being forced to go before a grand jury and describe the behavior they have. There's a back door that Biden's pardons left open, wide open, which is Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony has been challenged factually. Barry Loudermilk has provided evidence that suggests that her testimony is not accurate. There's a very strong possibility justice will start a criminal investigation into that, bring all these other players into it. Liz Cheney, Benny Thompson, what did you know? Then make a decision.

[Tom Fitton]

Hang on one second, John. Because your article, if we can push this out, Grace and everybody. Yeah, I was trying to, but I want to go back to your article. Trump delivered his J6 pardons. Now Congress must decide the fate of panel that required the clemency. This gets to the key point.

[John Solomon]

It is.

[Tom Fitton]

It's the railhead. And by the way, it took down McCarthy. This is a festering sore. I have no interest. And President Trump doesn't have any interest. Peter Navarro and Tom Barrack, anybody? We have no interest at all in doing this. Personal, not. We're fighting for our country, but this we got to get to the bottom of the structure of how it's happened. Walk me through this committee and why was it never shut down by the Republicans? And what does John Solomon in his reporting say must be done today?

[John Solomon]

Well, listen, everybody I've talked to in the last few days, particularly after Biden's part, are feel more emboldened that the right thing Congress should do is to take a vote in the next few days and repudiate the findings for history and for the contemporary moment that we're in. Basically say that this was a body of Congress that did not give the American people the truth. Its findings cannot be relied on today or in the future. And that opens up a an entire door of new avenues for Congress and the Justice Department to start investigating. Barry Loudermilk has been asking Mike Johnson for this vote since November. The leadership of the Republican Party still blocking it. I think yesterday more Republicans who were lukewarm to the idea got hot, hot and fiery after they saw Biden have to pardon the entire committee. Listen, it's an official body of Congress. What possibly did the January 6th committee do that would require a act of presidential clemency? If it was that bad, maybe history shouldn't rely on its findings. I think that that's the next logical step that's going to happen in Congress. I think Mike Johnson might still need a push, but Donald Trump wants it done. Barry Loudermilk has laid out a really good case for it. I think it's something that could be done quickly. It has a downstream effect in civil lawsuits, in criminal prosecutions in the future. Once you take that piece of evidence and say it's bogus, it shouldn't be relied on, other things can happen downstream from it.

[Tom Fitton]

Solomon, what is your. You're pretty good about headcount. What is your sense now as we're going to go the ramparts in this? Because this is big, this is very important and must be done for both history and for Solomon said, both for history and the contemporary moment. What is your sense of where we stand in the conference on this?

[John Solomon]

I think if President Trump leaned in on this and Mike Johnson leaned on it, they could get a full vote. All Republicans will stick with it. A few of any Democrats are going to vote. I think they can hold their caucus on it. And by the way, I think there's a second opportunity to do something similar in the future. We have the whole Ukraine impeachment. We now know that President Trump had exactly the right to ask for an investigation. There was criminality going on With Hunter, Biden and Brisma. And in the last few years, I got a whole bunch of documents from the State Department that undercut all the testimony that went on in that official brief proceedings. So I think there's a two for a head. J6 is the first one. Julie Kelly's great reporting. The reporting I've done very loud. And milk Tom Fitton, there's a plenty of body of evidence to repudiate that.

[Tom Fitton]

Solomon, you're quite smart. This is chess, not checkers, brother. Where do people go to get just the news site, social media, all of it in your show.

[John Solomon]

Thank you. Just the news dot com. That's the site. I get to follow you every night on this great network, Real America's Voice. That's always an honor. And Jay Solomon reports on all social media.

[Tom Fitton]

Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. And Amanda, get Solomon and Amanda head, too. That's Auburn. Love, Amanda. Julie Kelly. It's all coming together, ma'am, because you went in a courtroom and dug down on this thing in early 2021. Walk me through where we stand in all this. But everything what Solomon's talking about, the repudiation, they haven't letting him out of the gulag yet. The lawsuits are already flying. We're in the fog of war here. Help us out, ma'am.

[Julie Kelly]

So J6ers are gradually being released from federal prisons across the country. Of course, D.C. gulag is holding out because that's what they do, because this is a political gulag. So they're going to do whatever they can to extend the torment of Trump supporters in custody there. But I'm getting just really moving videos and photographs of men and women who are being released from federal prison, who are cutting off their ankle bracelets. You know, this is really such a joyous moment. And I really, really have to praise President Trump because this was not an easy decision to make. Steve, as you know, there was pushback. We had Republican senators as late as.

[Tom Fitton]

Full Stop, Full stop, Full stop, Full stop. This was brutally hard. People have to understand it's the Julie Kelly's of the world and his respect for the Tucker Carlson's and the Steve Bannons and the Jack Posobics and the Charlie Kirks and others that gave a platform to Julie Kelly's respect. The pressure against President Trump was incredible. Incredible not to do this. He did this. This is another thing of Trump, and they hate saying it. This is another thing of his moral clarity about this moment in history.

[Julie Kelly]

Ma'am, that's absolutely right. And I really want to Emphasize that, because this was incredibly hard and incredibly courageous for the President to do, because you had senators and Republican senators and House members who were very vocally opposed to pardoning people accused of violence. And, you know, I saw Vice President J.D. vance last weekend. He quickly sort of clarified his comments there. I think he became a big supporter of the blanket pardon. I know my work.

[Tom Fitton]

But hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't skate over that. Don't skate over that. Don't skate over that. We gotta talk. We gotta. Because of this audience and other patriots. Yes, we love JD but when he was on Fox, and we're going a little wobbly like Fox wants to. Fox didn't support this at all. Mertics don't support this. Nobody over there supports this. He got a little wobbly. He got blown up. That was the inflection point, folks, because of this audience and others like you that follow this and follow Julie Kelly and subscribe to her subsect and say, whoa, hang on for a second. Yo, the word is blanket pardon. All of them. Not some of them, all of them. And man, it was a Julie Kelly. Don't. Heaven and earth moved President Trump. All the pressure of the established order was against those people in those prisons. They have to understand. This became because of years and years and years of effort of Julie Kelly and Darren Beatty and reporting on this and the families and that, Cynthia Hughes's and others being out there making their case, the established order of the Republican Party wanted them to rot in prison. Let's be blunt about this. Wanted to rot in prison and let a couple out as kind of a. And throw a sop to this audience and to ban. Shut up Bannon and shut up Julie Kelly and shut up Tucker and shut them all up. Give them a couple of hundred. No. All or none. What we say is all or none. And yes, you're going to take some heat, but you got to power through this because look at the scum that took a blanket pardon for themselves. They know they're criminals. And now we're gonna get to the bottom of the Fed's direction. You're either with us or you're against us, folks. You're either with us or you're against us. This is moral clarity. This is cut through the fog of war and say, no, this is right. And that's why Trump, for all of his imperfections, when it comes down to the tough calls, he sits there and ways and measures, and then he makes a tough call. And that's why you Got to have his back. That's the lesson. So ended the lesson, is it not, Julie Kelly?

[Julie Kelly]

It absolutely is, yes. And I know that President Trump felt personally very strongly about making these people whole. And I think that there's going to be more to come on that. Steve, I don't think this is the last that we are going to hear about, you know, some sort of exoneration for J6ers. This is only one part of the process, I believe, and Congress has to get on board with that as well. These people's lives have been destroyed. Families broken up, divorces, bankruptcies, outcasts. They can't get jobs.

[Tom Fitton]

Who speaks for Matthew Perna? Who speaks for Matthew Perna? Who speaks for Matthew Perner? Who speaks to the other three that murdered, killed themselves? These were broken men by a system. Thank God I've got some resources. Right? They will break you and they throw you into a prison in that hellhole. Hang on for a second, Julie. Let's go to Ben Berquin. Ben, you've got one of the prisoners that have been released from the Black Hole of Calcutta, a disgrace and everybody associated the Washington D.C. jail and prison. Understand your day's coming. Ben, what do you got for me?

[Ben Berkwam]

We've got William Sarsfield just got out. Steve, talk to us. What? So you got out of February or.

[H]

At Philadelphia detention center about 3:00 this morning.

[Ben Berkwam]

You were just telling.

[Tom Fitton]

Yeah.

[I]

How is it you get out of Philadelphia detention center at 3:00 in the morning and you get here to the protest that's going on outside the D.C. jail where these defiant thugs are abusing American citizens in defiance of a presidential pardon? How does that happen? They don't respect the executive authority, they don't respect the rule of law, and they don't respect the American citizens. And that's why this is still happening.

[Ben Berkwam]

William. Steve, I didn't have time to put comms in for these guys, but William, what does this mean for you today?

[H]

It means about power and numbers. We got to stick together. Where we go one, we go all. It don't matter who's in front of us and who's going to stop us. We'll just walk right over and we're here to say we're free and the rest of us need to be freed.

[Tom Fitton]

Steve William, real quickly, Philadelphia Detention center heard from the guys in Danbury is a hellhole. Tell me about it. What was your time there like?

[Ben Berkwam]

Steve, when he was in Danbury, heard Philadelphia Detention center was a hellhole. What is.

[H]

What was your time like, my time was. It was good. It really was. There's a. It is what you make of it in any place you go to. I know it was overpopulated with individuals that had life sentences, were people that have yet to be sentenced. So there's a lot of fear factor inside of it just because people were unknown where they were going. It's more of a holdover for a lot of federal inmates, and there's a lot of nefarious people.

[Tom Fitton]

Hang on once. There's a lot of bad actors. Okay, just hang on one second. Hang on one sec. Quite dangerous. Hang on one second. We're gonna take a short commercial break. We're gonna return to the scene of the crime, and that is outside the D.C. jail. Julie Kelly's with us. Ben Berquheim. We're gonna go to Davos very quickly and. And get an update. Short commercial break. Back in a moment.

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[Tom Fitton]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, welcome back. Huge day brought to you by President Trump in the MAGA movement. Ben Berkwan, we're at the jail. You got Trentis Evans hooked up. Walk me through. We got a couple of minutes where we got a bounce. Tell me what is happening. Yeah.

[I]

Hey, good morning, Steve. So listen, here's what's happening right now. I'm standing here with William Sarsfield. This is a man that condemned USA represented his interest. Our attorneys took care of his cause. And unfortunately, like everyone else, he was bludgeoned with the tyranny and went to prison for what is absolute nonsense. However, your camera move is moving so. However the situation here is William Sarsfield got out at 3:00am in PA. He got out at Philadelphia at 3:00 in the morning and manages to make it here to where? D.C. where they have defied the presidential order to date. We don't even seen anyone. No one's come out. This is the problem. And this is the absolute tyranny that exists. The bludgeoning, the beatings will continue until morale improves.

[Tom Fitton]

Steve.

[Ben Berkwam]

And you just got word from Laura Logan. We got people coming out.

[I]

So Laura Logan said Jeremy Brown has they processed his release paperwork, but we have some other names we need to be aware of here that are not getting released. Elias Constellanes and Peter Krill. Those two people. And then we have John Wood. So I want to. We're going to talk about that. I want to follow up with you on that, Steve. But this, and John woods is an Arkansas state senator. That's another case. It's an atrocity. And guess who ran that. The same corrupt Jack Smith ran the indictment. But these guys here make it from out of state, from another prison, to get here today, where the D.C. jail hasn't managed to let these people out when they had full notice of the authority of the United States President.

[Tom Fitton]

Trennis, what's your social media? Ben, I'm gonna call you and Trennis as soon as the show's over and we'll. We'll connect for the evening show. Trennis, what's your social media in the interim?

[I]

Yeah, you can reach me at Condemned usa. Everything's at Condemnedusa.

[Tom Fitton]

Ben Berkwam, where do we go to catch up with you between now and the time? We come back at 5.

[Ben Berkwam]

Ben Berkwam on all social media. I'll be posting interviews throughout the day. William, anywhere they can find you or support you as you come back out.

[H]

Get a hold of Trennis. He'll be able to find me.

[Tom Fitton]

Okay. William, you're here.

[I]

Steve, I want you to know this man's wife is a warrior, a total warrior.

[Tom Fitton]

We'll get to get. Ben, help us, connect us. And let's get her up on the show. Want to get all the. All the families on. Guys, we'll be back at five. Charlie Kirk follows us at noon. Think Charlie's back in today. Posto after that. We're back five to seven. Julie Kelly parting Thoughts, ma'am? This is, this is. Like I said, there's a long way to go, but this is a start. What are your thoughts?

[Julie Kelly]

Just amazing to see that defendant free. I'm not familiar with his case, but to your point, Steve, as you know, putting these J Sixers in federal prisons on low level offenses with some of the country's most dangerous criminals just underscores what an evil man Merrick Garland is, what an evil man Matthew Graves is, when an evil woman Lisa Monaco is. None of them got presidential pardons yesterday by Joe Biden. And they should be at the top of the list for really their inhumane abuse of Trump supporters over the past four years.

[Tom Fitton]

Every dog will have its day. And now the hunters become the hunted. Julie Kelly, where do people go? You've been a hero in this. I mean, quite frankly, this would never have happened it was not for you. You've changed American history. Where do people go?

[Julie Kelly]

Well, thank you, Steve. And it wouldn't have happened without you covering my work and without the war room posse rooting and sharing this the whole way. So declassified with Julie Kelly is my substack. Real Clear Investigations also reporting there. And X Twitter. Julie underscore Kelly, too.

[Tom Fitton]

Great work. Talk to you after the show. Great work, ma'am.

[Julie Kelly]

Sounds good.

[Tom Fitton]

We got to get on what we'll be working on with Fenton. We got to get on this vote in the, in the, in the house. Absolutely correct. And you go to Ukraine. Jayen, done with debt. People are getting out of prison today. What I don't want to have happen in these tough economic times until President Trump's plan is fully implemented is get into the prison of debt. If you put, if the credit card bill comes and you put it in the drawer, you're condemning yourself. You can't. I know it's. I know people have anxiety, they have angst, but what they need to do is open that drawer, take it, and then call it done with debt. Why did they need to do that, ma'am?

[J]

Well, Steve, you brought up the perfect reason. These J6 Patriots getting out. You were talking about some of them, you know, all of the horrible things happening in their life. Debt and bankruptcy could be some of them. And what they should do as they face this new life and try to get back on track. And if finances are in that spectrum is go to done with debt. Because done with debt is going to help them get back on track. Essentially, they'll be assigned their own team to help them with a strategy. They'll stand in front of you. They will shield all those letters and calls that Steve's talking about that give you the harassing feeling of anxiety. And they'll cut and sometimes they'll cut interest rates and penalties. They can renegotiate your balances. They do things that we as citizens don't know about and they can help put an end to your debt. And some of the debt will completely get wiped out. And in some cases, people end up with money in their pocket. And I think that today of all days is a perfect day to be here and talk to your viewers about done with debt. It is so important, as you said, anxiety. They've already had four years of unknown what's happening outside other than talking to their loved ones. And their lives outside have probably in some ways falling apart, whether it's through divorce, whether it's through debt. You were talking about some other things earlier that were even worse, suicide and things of those natures. They're going to be coming out with a storm of difference.

[Tom Fitton]

And Jay, and here's the thing. The reason these folks are out is because over the last couple weeks, this audience had their back. This was all could have gone either way. The point is we need you at the Ramparts and we can't have you sucked down. We understand with inflation, people have been using credit cards, particularly younger people have been using credit cards. Once that gets out of control at 25 to 29% APR, you can't look the other way. Where do they go today? You mentioned the team. People need a team and they're going to tell you flat out right up front, hey, we can help you. We can't. It's all free. Where do they go today to make that call and who they talk to? Jillian, thank you.

[J]

It's called donewithdebt.com Remember, debt is big business. Not for you, for them. So donewithdebt.com they'll give you a free consultation and then get your team together to work for you to clean up your business. And it's brilliant. Done with debt document. Thank you so much, Steve, to have me on on such an incredible day for these J6 Patriots. I appreciate you. Thank you.

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You're a patriot too, man. What you've come through.

[J]

Thank you.

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