
Episode 4228: Rise Of The New Press Core ...
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Reid Hoffman
First we just get your reactions to.
Stephen K. Bannon
What you have learned about Deep Seek.
Caroline Levitt
In the last 24 hours.
Stephen K. Bannon
How, how, what do you make of it? How could this change things?
Josh Hawley
Well, exactly what Andrew Sorkin said. There's a lot of open questions and you know, I think that the likelihood it was trained for as little money as it said, it seems very unlikely. It also seems likely that they actually to train these smaller models, which we already knew in the US you have to have access to and use larger models like the Lama, chatbots, etc. So look, I think it's extremely important and interesting result. I don't think that that suggests that the large models are actually not essentially valuable in creating things like Deep Zig.
Stephen K. Bannon
Ok, so let's turn now to what you're hoping to do. Tell us more about the good.
Reid Hoffman
We hear a lot about the worries.
Stephen K. Bannon
People have about AI, this sort of.
Reid Hoffman
Scary future that it could portend. But its advocates say a lot of.
Stephen K. Bannon
Good can be done with it. Hard to imagine something better caused in curing cancer. Talk to us about that.
Josh Hawley
So you know, as you, as you mentioned, the general discourse and actually human history, when a new major technology comes along, whether it's the printing press, electricity, the car is, oh my God, everything's going to go wrong, right? Like society is going to break, human agency is going to break, etc. And yet when we look at the end result, like we can't have this society without the printing press, electricity, the computer, et cetera, it turns out that it massively increases human agency. And part of that increase of human agency is when we all get access to it. Like for example, when you all get access to this car, not only can I go visit my friends, but the doctor can come, do like house calls for my kids or for my grandparents and that kind of thing. And that is what super agency is. And I think what we will see with AI is will actually increase human agency.
Stephen K. Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. There's no got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
Josh Hawley
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Stephen K. Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose, if that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Josh Hawley
War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
Stephen K. Bannon
It's Tuesday, the 28th of January, year of alert 2025. Thank you for joining us for the late afternoon early evening edition of the War Room. Historic day for the War Room. Our own Natalie Winters, her first day as White House correspondent for the War Room. A historic with Caroline Levitt. Just an amazing press briefing today. Her first, the first of President Trump. Trump 47's tenure historic in many ways. Matt Boyle, many of the folks you know, Brian Glenn, all there asking questions. We're going to get to that in a moment. Fortunate enough to have Senator Josh Hawley join us today. Senator Hawley, I don't think we could get two guys on the opposite ends of the spectrum politically as Reid Hoffman and Senator Josh Hawley. Reid Hoffman's a techno feudalist. You're a populist conservative populist. Hoffman's come out with a book, Super Agency, just today and it's about what could possibly go right with our AI future. You wrote a very chilling and pressing book a couple of years ago, I guess a year ago we had you on the Tyranny of Big Tec. What is it particularly what you've seen the last couple of days? You're one of the leading technology experts in the United States Senate. Where do you think we stand with all this, sir?
Josh Hawley
Well, I think that first of all, it's great to be with you, Steve. Thanks for having me. I think what we're seeing is these tech companies continue to amass incredible power. And the deep seq breakthrough, if that's what we're calling it in China, just shows the incredible power that these corporations are going to have with the technologies that they control. And I've seen what Reid Hoffman said about this is going to be great for everybody and everybody's going benefit from it. I'm not so sure about that. I know who's going to benefit from this latest breakthrough. That's the Chinese Communists. I know who's going to benefit from all of our data being taken by these corporations. It's the corporate behemoths who can take all of our information without our permission, who can use it to train their models without any payment to us, without any protection for our rights. So yeah, I'm concerned. I'm really concerned. I think the tech companies, bottom line, Steve, I think they're only getting more powerful, they're only getting bigger. And I think we've got to be really really careful here.
Stephen K. Bannon
As you say in the book, we've kind of made Obama administration starts as Faustian pact with, with Silicon Valley, which I think is an apartheid state, but they could get incredibly wealthy and have monopolistic power. The anti trade, the Justice Department would never touch them, but they would have to leave us to be technologically dominant. Do you feel comfortable with that pact as one size that is given what TikTok, the power of Tik Tok and social media. And let's, let's assume for this discussion Deep Seek is not a Chinese psyop, but it's actually maybe a Sputnik moment. Do you feel comfortable? Comfortable that Reid, Hoffman, Andreessen and Bezos and so have they kept their end of the bargain, sir?
Josh Hawley
No, they haven't. I mean, manifestly not. They've gotten rich, Steve. They've gotten powerful. They have taken our information. Let's just remember how they power these companies and how they power AI. They come and they take our information. They go out there and they scour everything on the web. Your personal stuff, your pictures, your writing, whatever is out there, everyday American stuff. Do they ask you permission? No, they don't. They pay you for it? No, they do not. Do they care about your rights? Nope, don't care at all. They take it, they load it up into their large language models and whatever AI system they're running and then they profit off of it. And yeah, the bargain supposedly is okay, but you'll deliver great technological process progress that'll benefit everybody. Now we just see the Chinese come through with a huge breakthrough that looks like they're out ahead in front now of this game. So Silicon Valley has not kept up their pledge, their promise, if that's what it was, to always maintain us as number one. But meanwhile they've continued to amass all the power, so they've got more power than ever before. And yet here we are now starting to lag behind in terms of technology. And you know, Steve, you and I both know what they'll do next. These companies, they'll come to Washington and they'll say we need more money, we need more special favors.
Stephen K. Bannon
That's what it'll bailout.
Josh Hawley
Give us more. Give us more.
Stephen K. Bannon
100%. Are you comfortable, sir, given your focus on the Chinese Communist Party and national security, are you comfortable? We did not have an intelligence failure here, maybe a massive intelligence, since AI is looked at as the potential new superweapon to be caught by surprise, you know, can we afford a Sputnik moment in the 21st century? And do you think the intelligence services were caught by surprise?
Josh Hawley
I think they probably were caught by surprise. I can certainly just say from my perspective, that we had no forewarning of this. It wasn't like a while ago the ic, as they like to say, the intelligence community was flagging this and saying, oh, this could be coming. So, number one, I think it does come as a surprise. And here's the other thing, Steve. We've had an incredibly stupid policy of allowing our giant corporations like Microsoft to go and build labs in China to collaborate with China on AI, to share AI information, to share technology, to share processing capability. Where has that gotten us? I think we see today it has certainly benefited the Chinese. Has it benefited America? I don't think so. Has it benefited the American people? I don't think so, Steve. We need to put in place right now limitations on the transfer of AI technology to and from China. American companies should not be sharing this information with Chinese companies in any guise that. That's easy. That ought to be put into law right now, and we ought to recognize this for the national security concern that it is.
Stephen K. Bannon
Senator, I think you're considered by the MAGA base and the populist wing as the leading voice of populism in the Senate. What can one guy or a couple of men and women do? Seriously, even though we control the Republicans control the Senate, the populist wing is getting larger. Obviously, President Trump's a populist, but you're pretty small in numbers. What can you guys do to set things right there in regards to the kind of monopolistic power of big tech?
Josh Hawley
I think we've got to continue to push the envelope and sound the alarm. And Steve, we can't be shy about talking about just what you're saying. I think we've got to call out these monopolists. And listen, just because Mark Zuckerberg is now cozying up to the president. And listen, I'm glad Mark Zuckerberg can read an election return. He looks at the election is like, oh, huh. Gee, it looks like the American people actually don't like what I was doing. You know, he wants to sell a product so he can read an election return. More power to him. But we shouldn't trust him. We shouldn't trust any of these guys, Bezos. I don't trust any of them. And we would be insane, insane to now allow them to continue to amass power and just take them at their word when they say, oh, we won't censor you again, we'll start behaving better. No, they won't. They're going to do what's in their best interest, their bottom line. And they will absolutely come after us again. They will try to censor us, cancel us again. If we let them have the power we ought to right now make clear we are never going to put ourselves in a position again like we were the last four years when they tried to control our information, control our news, interfere in presidential elections. Steve, we got to take away their power to do that. And we'd be real foolish if we took our eye off that ball.
Stephen K. Bannon
Senator Hawley, Missouri's looked at as a center of common sense in this country. In a bellwether were the folks of Missouri on these issues.
Josh Hawley
No, I mean when you talk to them, I can tell you they don't share the pro technology, the technology lovers, their view that this is all just going to be wonderful and we have nothing to worry about with AI. We've got nothing to worry about with all of the transfers of technology to China. If you come to Missouri. What I hear over and over people say is what's AI going to mean for my job? What's it going to mean for my personal information? Am I going to be able to keep it private? What's it going to mean for my kid? You know, is this technology going to come and take all of my kids personal information and scoop it up? What's it going to tell my kid? You know, my kid logs on and has a conversation with ChatGPT or Deep Seek or whatever. Is it going to like give my kid advice on how to kill himself? Is it going to give my kid advice on how to do drugs? I mean, so I think people look at this and they say this is really worrisome. And here's the biggest thing, Steve, that populists get. The biggest danger here is the transfer of power. It's the transfer of power from everyday working people who are the foundation of this country to the most powerful people in the world and the technology companies. And my concern is if we don't, if we're not careful, AI will accelerate that transfer of power and it'll be even more power to the big guys, even more control and even less for us, less protection of our rights. We can't let that happen.
Stephen K. Bannon
Senator, before I let you go, confirmations last week went great for the president and for the cabinet members. Tomorrow we start two really tough days. We got Pam for, I guess our last day, Pam Bondi for ag. We've also got Bobby Kennedy's first day. Then Cash and Tulsi on Thursday. They've already come out. New York Times lead story, hit piece on Tulsi. They're coming after Cash. CBS News has got an exclusive on some whistleblower. What can this audience expect and what would you tell the war room posse they need to do? We were manning the ramparts over the last couple weeks, particularly for Pete Hexseth. What would be your what, what's in store and what should we be focused on, sir?
Josh Hawley
Well, I think you can see where the left is headed with this. And, and we're just bracing for impact in terms of what might come out in the next 48 hours in terms of attempted hit pieces. But I think that the message here has got to be over these next 48 hours. You've got to be out there on the record and correcting, setting straight all the lies that are going to be told about these nominees. You mentioned Cash Patel. I think Cash in particular. I sit on the Judiciary Committee. That hearing, I think is going to be blockbuster. The left hates this guy. They hate him with a deep and abiding passion because he told the truth about Russiagate. He told the truth about the weaponization of the FBI. He blew the whistle on that early. They detest this guy. It's interesting, Steve, in Pam Bondi's hearing before Judiciary, which went great for her, she was phenomenal. The Democrats ended up spending half the time on Cash Patel, who wasn't even there. So that tells you where their heads at, right? They're going to come for him. So we've got to be ready to get out there and set straight the lies. And we just need Republicans to stand firm so I can tell you I'm suited up and ready to go. It's going to be a wild few days.
Stephen K. Bannon
Senator Hawley, thank you so much. I know you're super busy. Really appreciate you on Big Tech. You're one of the watchdogs up there. Everybody counts on. What's your social media? Where do they go to follow you?
Josh Hawley
Senator, you can call me on X at Holly Moe and the same handles on Instagram and Facebook.
Stephen K. Bannon
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Caroline Levitt
Honor to be here with all of you. A lot of familiar faces in the room, a lot of new faces. And President Trump is back. And the golden age of America has most definitely begun. The Senate has already confirmed five of President Trump's exceptional Cabinet nominees, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, and Treasury Secretary Scott Besant. It is imperative that the Senate continues to confirm the remainder of the President's well qualified nominees as quickly as possible. Since taking the oath of office, President Trump has taken more than 300 executive actions, secured nearly $1 trillion in U.S. investments, deported illegal alien rapists, gang members and suspected terrorists from our homeland, and restored common sense to the federal government. I want to take a moment to go through some of these extraordinary actions. On Day one, President Trump declared a national emergency at our southern border to end the four year long invasion of illegal aliens under the previous administration. Additionally, President Trump signed an executive order to end catch and release and finish construction of his effective border wall. By using every lever of his federal power, President Trump has sent a loud and clear message to the entire America will no longer tolerate illegal immigration and this President expects that every nation on this planet will cooperate with the repatriation of their citizens, as proven by this weekend when President Trump swiftly directed his team to issue harsh and effective sanctions and tariffs on the Colombian government upon hearing they were denied a US Military aircraft full of their own citizens who were deported by this administration. Within hours, the Colombian government agreed to all of President Trump's demands, proving America is once again respected on the world stage. So to foreign nationals who are thinking about trying to illegally enter the United States, think again. Under this President, you will be detained and you will be deported every day. Americans are safer because of the violent criminals that President Trump's administration is removing from our communities. Before I take your questions, I would like to point out to all of you once again have access to the most transparent and accessible president in American history. There has never been a President who communicates with the American people and the American press corps as openly and authentically as the 45th and now 47th President the United States. This past week, President Trump has held multiple news conferences, gaggled on Air Force One multiple times, and sat down for a two part interview on Fox News which aired last week. As Politico summed it up best, Trump is everywhere again. And that's because President Trump has a great story to tell about the legendary American revival that is well underway. And in keeping with this revolutionary media approach that President Trump deployed during the campaign, the Trump White House will speak to all media outlets and personalities, not just the legacy media who are seated in this room because according to recent polling from Gallup, Americans trust in mass media has fallen to a record low. Millions of Americans, especially young people, have turned from traditional television outlets and newspapers to consume their news from podcasts, blogs, social media and other independent outlets. It's essential to our team that we share President Trump's message everywhere and adapt this White House to the new media landscape in 2025. To do this, I am excited to announce the following changes will be made to this historic James S. Brady briefing room, where Mr. Brady's legacy will endure. This White House believes strongly in the First Amendment, so it's why our team will work diligently to restore the press passes of the 440 journalists whose passes were wrongly revoked by the previous administration. We're also opening up this briefing room to new media voices who produce news related content and whose outlet is not already represented by one of the seats in this room. We welcome independent journalists, podcasters, social media influencers and content creators to apply for credentials to cover this White House. And you can apply now on our new website, whitehouse.gov newmedia Caroline, first off.
Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you to you and President Trump for actually giving voices to new media outlets that represent millions and millions of Americans. The thing I would ask, I've got a two part question for you. The first is just can you expand upon what steps the White House is going to take to bring more voices, not less, which is what our founder.
Natalie Winters
Andrew Breitbart believed in, into this room.
Stephen K. Bannon
Where they rightly belong?
Caroline Levitt
Ms. Yeah, absolutely. And as I said in my opening statement, Matt, it is a priority of this White House to honor the First Amendment. And it is a fact that Americans are consuming their news media from various different platforms, especially young people. And as the youngest press secretary in history thanks to President Trump, I take great pride in opening up this room to new media voices to share the president's message with as many Americans as possible. In doing so, number one, we will ensure that outlets like yours, Axios and Breitbart, which are widely respected and viewed outlets, have an actual seat in this room every day. We also again, encourage anybody this country, whether you are a TikTok content creator, a blogger, a podcaster, if you are producing legitimate news content, no matter the medium, you will be allowed to apply for press credentials to this White House. And as I said earlier, our new media website is whitehouse.gov newmedia and so we encourage people to apply again, as long as you are creating news related content of the day and you're a legitimate independent journalist, you're welcome to cover this White House.
Stephen K. Bannon
And secondly, Caroline, you said you laid.
Natalie Winters
Out several of the actions that President.
Caroline Levitt
Trump has taken, obviously a stark contrast.
Stephen K. Bannon
To the previous administration. And break back speed from President Trump, can we expect that pace to continue as the first hundred days moves along here and beyond that? Ms.
Caroline Levitt
Absolutely. There is no doubt President Trump has always been the hardest working man in politics. I think that's been proven. Over the past week, this president has again signed more than 300 executive orders. He's taken historic action. I gaggled aboard Air Force One to mark the first 100 days of this administration, 4pm last Friday, our first hundred hours rather. And this president did more in the first hundred hours than the previous president did in the first 100 days. So President Trump, I think you can all expect for him to continue to work at this breakneck speed. So I hope you're all ready to work very hard. I know that we are seek Miller the American people gave President Trump an overwhelming mandate on November 5th, and he's just trying to ensure that the tax money going out the door in this very bankrupt city actually aligns with the will and the priorities of the American people. So will there be a line?
Stephen K. Bannon
Yes. Welcome. You look great. You're doing a great job. You talked about transparency and some of us in this room know how just transparent President Trump has been the last five or six, six years. I think you'll do the same. My question is, do you think this latest incident with the president of Colombia is indicative of the global powerful respect they have for President Trump moving forward not only to engage in economic diplomacy with these countries, but also world peace?
Caroline Levitt
Absolutely. I'll echo the answer that the president gave on Air Force One last night when he was asked a very similar question by one of your colleagues in the media. This signifies peace through strength is back. And this president will not tolerate illegal immigration into America's interior. And he expects every nation on this planet again to cooperate with the repatriation of their citizens who illegally entered into our country and broke America's laws. Won't be tolerated. And as you saw, the Colombian government quickly folded and agreed to all of President Trump's demands. Flights are underway once again.
Stephen K. Bannon
Wow. Caroline Levitt, remember the first time she ran for in the primary up in New Hampshire, look how far she's come. That was an amazing, amazing press briefing. Our own Natalie Winters, our White House correspondent, was there, put us in the room. Tell us, tell us what went down. Ma'am.
Natalie Winters
Hi, Steve. I don't think I'm ever going to get tired of this background. And coming to you guys live from the White House. But so much has already happened today. I want to put our audience inside of the room, which I know it was my first time in there, but I was asking everyone, yes, even talking to some of the legacy media people, they said they've never seen that briefing room so packed. I was standing and it was standing room all the way back. And I heard a lot of side commentary of people being like, wow, it's been so long since we've done this. It's been so long since everyone's actually, actually showed up because there's actually something worth talking about. Caroline Levitt, of course, did a wonderful job. There were so many actually, believe it or not, familiar faces, people from kind of right wing MAGA media that I actually saw there, of course, in addition to the legacy media people. But I just want to give our audience sort of a taste of what it was like being in there. It is probably, I would say, one of the most gaslighting feelings that I have ever experienced. Why do I say that? The kind of mainstream media apparatus that is here and walking around, they have this sense of like, superiority and as if what they're doing is both so important and, you know, such a true honor and, you know, privilege and duty to the American people, but the sort of cognitive dissonance there is that all they're doing is lying to us. Right. And I know that that's cliche, that's not breaking news, but it's just so interesting psychologically to be in the room where all these people who think they're so important, which, no offense, in reality they're pseudo intellectuals sitting there acting like they're so integral to the very fabric of this country, when in reality they're just a, you know, cog in the narrative wheel. But there really is a sense of like, superiority and just self importance. And it's really, really interesting just to watch from sort of an outsider perspective. So that, to me is almost more the interesting dynamic than what's necessarily being said at the press conference. Like I said, you saw Matt Boyle, Brian Glenn, a lot of oan people who were there asking questions, Reagan Reese from the Daily Caller, people who I don't think were like ever called on during the Biden White House. I'm standing here, I'm obviously on the lawn. I've seen none other than Dr. Sebastian Gorka Walk outside the door, of course. I actually just saw Peter Navarro, our very own Peter Navarro, about like five minutes ago, leave the West Wing. So it's very cool to see all the people that, that we know the comps staff has been in and around, but I, I can't, I don't think I can articulate it well enough. How dissonant and just weird it is. These people who have this like chip on their shoulder that you can tell they think they're better than all the American people who sent President Trump to the White House and they're all like colluding to cover it. And we can get into what I think the focus today of the press conference.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on for one second.
Natalie Winters
Sure.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on for one second. We're take a short break. We're going to come back to the White House. Natalie Winner is going to drill down some of the big topics of the day in a moment. I want to warn you of a huge change that could be coming to our money in our bank accounts. First, think back to 9 11, shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act. This gave the government power to spy on innocent Americans by monitoring our phone and email and tracking our movement across the Internet. Now Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial newsletter Strategic Intelligence and New York Times best selling author, is warning about a coming event that could elevate this governmental surveillance to a terrifying new level. In fact, some of the guests I've had on the War room believe that the government will soon expand their powers to track our every move. 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In fact I think the ones got their head melling down is this is stopping the freezing of the funds. A federal Judge in Washington D.C. while we are on break came out and put a TRO in that a temporary hold until a Monday hearing. So the the executive action the memo that came from Russ votes OMB and Russ is not there yet. He has not been confirmed and sworn in. By the way there was an assassin I'm not saying assassination attempt but they caught an individual with I think a knife and some bomb making material that was looking for our own Scott Bessant after he was sworn in. Also Pete Hexith and Speaker Johnson. They got him in the Capitol. Sound like the guy was a little deranged but they, they took him away. Russ is going to be confirmed and sworn in shortly but OMB the acting director put out a memo last night said freeze all money. This is an addition to freezing off all foreign aid. President Trump is saying all engines stop except for Social Security and Medicare. He wants to see quite frankly I think Elon and the DOGE guys, I think this is a joint project to say what's the really the funds flow here? How does cash flow in and out of the system? Where is the money going? We know where it comes from the taxpayers, the treasury and the Fed. We're not sure where it actually goes. And I think that's why the left and the people who depend upon big government, the administrative state are freaking out. So before we talk about that Nata, because I know you got some reporting on it, I want to go back to the room. Are they, are they, are they snotty? Are they taken back that all sudden they see Breitbart News war room Real America's Voice 1America News, Newsmax, you know, the forces of the right, the podcasters, the streaming services, the influencers, people that were really important news. Caroline laid it out. If you're here and you can work and you can report it fairly, we'll take. We'll take a hard look at putting you in the room. And we're going to take the 400 people they canceled, and we're going to get their credentials back, if they deserve it. Is that what has mainstream media, their audiences are collapsing. Is it their prestige and influence that they're most concerned about now? And really, you know, uppity when it comes to their dealings with people like you?
Natalie Winters
Totally. And, you know, you say a new sheriff in town, not just here in Washington, D.C. but I think it's reflected globally, too. And that was one of the other patterns that I really noticed, not just through seeing it with my own eyes, but in asking other, you know, reporters who've been here longer, that the expansion of foreign press, who's really interested in covering the Trump White House, has really ballooned and expanded. So I think there's a global appetite to cover President Trump. But to this sort of weird dynamic that you're talking about, I mean, I would equate it to, I think, the sort of 2016 upset victory in terms of this just, I think, anger, maybe you call it envy because of the dropping show numbers and audience numbers. I think war room, what probably has an audience that's larger than the top four or five mainstream media shows, Competition bind. And I'm just talking about viewers, not even engaged activist type viewers. But I think there's sort of an element of really, I think, soul searching. What do I mean by that? When they sit there and think that they're superior because, you know, they have their reserved seat in the briefing room, you know, okay, you get your pat on the back for having that. It's, you know, where do you derive that sense of superiority from? It's certainly not from odds, audience size or impact, because you failed in both 2016, 2020 and 2024 at having any effect in swaying and duping the American people continually. So I think it sort of is forcing them to reckon with the internal question of what is the legacy? What is the enduring power of the mainstream media? And frankly, there is none. And, Steve, I think, to answer that question more directly, Right. I think it goes back to the critique that we not only saw Alex Wagner really get into on msnbc, the idea of the left becoming of the establishment, I think more acutely becoming the Defenders of the institutions. I think the mainstream media is very similarly one of those institutions that they're being forced to defend. And obviously you saw, what was it just two days ago, the CIA coming out saying that, yeah, Covid came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And that was one of those, I think, bread and butter stories that got not just this show de platformed and censored, our audience de platformed and censored, but really us, I think tarred and feathered, mocked and ridiculed, both virtually, but even, you know, in person for being such wrong, you know, out there conspiracy theorists. And I think that we've seen again, I guess it's just more confirmation that this show's been right from the get go, but that we really have been right. And I think that it sort of forces is the uncomfortable question, you know, why are these media outlets continuing to lie at the behest and to cover for the Chinese Communist Party? And that's because these people, though, yes, they are of course bought off and paid for by the Chinese Communist Party. I think more acutely, they're sort of the defenders of the institution that is the economic and global world order which rests upon the original sin being the Chinese Communist Party and their kind of slave labor economic matrix existing. Because without that, you don't really have the sort of world economic forum, you know, new world order, I think, slave economy that they so desperately want. But I think they are sort of forced to reckon with what their role is in this entire kind of, dare I use the word conspiracy on my first day on the White House lawn. But I think that is why there's such kind of gravitas and deep, I think, self questioning going on when they see people like War Room, like Oan, like Brian Glenn, like myself in there, because it really is an existential threat. And I don't use that in the climate change way. I use that in the true definitional sense of the word to their entire power model and raison d'etre, which is lying to the American people to cover for a regime in the form of Joe Biden, who doesn't even need to be a living, breathing human for four years. Because this city, this swamp, can just sort of occur on, you know, the Death Star and just kind of a testing pattern because they don't need a strong man. But President Trump is the antithesis of that and represents someone who I think is so different. And I think you see that with these formidable people like Peter Navarro, like Caroline Levitt, who are actual beings and humans and entities and not these just, you know, NPC kind of grifter, drifter types who don't even need to hold press briefings because they don't even know what's going on. So I think you're seeing sort of the, shall we say, beginning of the end, though it's a rather hasty end because the viewership is what, like 12,000? I think we do that on just one streaming platform on a weekend. But that's sort of the sense that I get from being up close and personal to people who I'd frankly rather not have to be. But I'm happy to do it.
Stephen K. Bannon
You said, you know, today when we talked about coming on, he said, hey, the outrage of the day. They're all upset about USDA and the stopping of the foreign, you know, foreign policy money going to these different things. A judge just ruled, Judge ali Khan in D.C. the most radical court, federal court in the. In the land, just put a TR O on omb's memo last night to everybody that said, unless it's Social Security and Medicare, full stop, we want all payments, all transferring payments. We just want everybody to freeze in place until we get our arms around this. That's breaking news here from a couple of minutes ago. But up until then, it was foreign policy. What has been, what has been the reaction of the media to that today?
Natalie Winters
Sure, I saw Mark Elias's organization was just taking a huge victory lap over that decision. But I would say that that was sort of the prevailing and predominant questioning angle that I saw both at the press briefing today. And also just about an hour ago, Stephen Miller did a little bit of a press gaggle outside the West Wing. Basically every question was about the freeze on foreign aid, maybe scatter in a few about the mass deportations, but it all sort of comes back to the thing itself. And, you know, I opened this segment by talking about how being in there amidst a bunch of people who take themselves seriously, though their job is to lie to the American people, it's sort of the ultimate gaslight. And I think that the fact that this same press corps who, what, covered up the worst invasion of this country in history, the worst inflation, the worst trade deals, an administration that truly, truly didn't just put America last, but put America first, never that they are now suddenly all up in arms. The only question they can ask is, well, is this freeze on foreign aid going to affect Americans? Is this going to affect, you know, these poor single mother.
Stephen K. Bannon
Right.
Natalie Winters
They always create like the worst scenario possible. And I just wanted to Turn to them and say, where have you guys been for the last four years? I'm so glad that you guys now care about the American people and American citizens, emphasis on citizen. But for the last four years, these people never cared to ask a question about, I don't know if any of the policies or proposals or money coming out the horrible Biden regime ever did anything to put the American people first. So I think it sort of speaks to how they're using every single policy, every single news directive that comes out as a way to sort of weaponize against whoever may be at the sticks, whoever is talking, whether it's Caroline Levitt or President Trump. But it was just such a funny moment where all these press corps people are standing there saying, well, what are you going to do for the American citizens? But in the same breath, why are you deporting criminal illegal aliens? I don't know if they're too dumb or they just hate this country to notice what's going on. But I will say one bright spot. Like I said, there was a lot of foreign press here, too. I believe it was someone from a European Union country asked if Europe should be adopting a lot of President Trump's border policies proposals, particularly when it comes to mass deportations. Stephen Miller said it with a resounding, yes, they absolutely should. And I think the journalists seem to concur. But, yeah, it's really, it's such a gaslight to be around these people who now, I guess because President Trump is maybe trying to strip, rightfully so, some federal grant money now they're apparently all for federal grants for the American people. I didn't know that. That's apparently a newfound sentiment among the Washington, D.C. elite press class.
Stephen K. Bannon
Natalie, social media. You'll be back on it tomorrow. There's all kind of breaking news overnight. We're actually having an event. It's just serendipity for Matt Boyle, who returns as the national political editor from Florida to Washington, D.C. for Breitbart. We're having an event with a lot of media folks tonight in a lot of war Room Posse. Where can people get you on social.
Natalie Winters
Media, Natalie, until tomorrow, Natalie G. Winters on all platforms and the White House until Joe Biden or whoever tries to take my creds away. Thank you so much for having me, Steve. And thank you to the Warren Posse for giving me this opportunity. Opportunity.
Stephen K. Bannon
Thanks, Natalie. Great job. Fantastic job. Historic day. Think about it and you've seen, I think what's so great is you've seen the, these young people. If you, if you notice Ball's been on the show for the last couple of years. He's been over at Breitbart forever. He started very young right out of American University. I think he was in his early 20s when he was a reporter at the Daily Caller. And then we got him over to Breitbart, then we made him political editor. You've seen, you've seen. So you've seen Matt, you've seen Caroline Levitt. Remember at the time she was barely, I think eligible age wise to even run for Congress. Remember that, that great, that first attempt when she did the, when the primary was just absolutely intense and she was so good on her feet. And then she went back and got the job in the campaign, did a super job and now she's the youngest press secretary in the history of the White House. And just amazing. Course our own Natalie Winners you've seen in Natalie started here as an intern I think at 18 years old. Brian Glenn was at right side broadcasting for years doing all the rallies in 21 with 20 and 21, but 21, 22 when it was looked pretty grim for President Trump. Just amazing, all of them at the White House. Now just ever think, how can I work this hard and still be in debt? The piles of overdue bills, the threatening phone calls and never having money to do anything, it's just won't stop. You're trapped in debt. Done With Debt is the way out. They developed aggressive new strategies to end your debt permanently. Done With Debt stands between you and harassing bill collectors. They tirelessly negotiate with your creditors to lower or even forgive what you owe. And they do it all without bankruptcy or new additional loans. As one client raved, quote, our phone call saved us a fortune. I wish we did this long ago. End quote. Bottom line, Done With Debt has unique strategies to get you out of debt faster and put more money in your pocket every month. But you need to hurry because some debt solutions are time sensitive and you don't want to miss out. Visit donewithdebt.com talk with one of their debt relief strategists for free. Let me repeat that. Go to donewithdbt.com and talk to one of their debt relief strategists for free. You have nothing to lose except your debt. Go to donewithdebt.com that is donewithdebt.com do it today. Action, Action. Action.
Josh Hawley
Many Americans do not want to do so.
Reid Hoffman
How do you.
Stephen K. Bannon
How does President Trump make sure that the effort to deport people who are.
Josh Hawley
Not in this country legally doesn't end up hurting Americans who want safe borders. Absolutely. But also don't want to see even more higher prices in groceries.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, I'm sure it's not your position, Jake. You're just asking the question that we should supply America's food with exploitative, illegal alien labor. I obviously don't think that's what you're implying. Only 1% of alien workers in the entire country work in agriculture. The top destination for illegal aliens are large cities like New York, like Los Angeles, and small industrial towns, of course, all across the heartland.
Caroline Levitt
As we've seen with the Biden floods.
Stephen K. Bannon
None of those illegal aliens are doing farm work. Those 30,000 legal aliens that Joe Biden dumped into.
Josh Hawley
I'm talking about the ones that.
Stephen K. Bannon
No, no, but I'm explaining this. It's important to understand. Now you're kind of explanation changing the subject.
Josh Hawley
I mean, I'm talking about the ones I will.
Stephen K. Bannon
I will go.
Caroline Levitt
I will.
Josh Hawley
Give me 30 minutes.
Stephen K. Bannon
I'll go as deep as you want to. You and your audience. I don't have a third.
Josh Hawley
I'm talking about the ones that could.
Stephen K. Bannon
That work in the agriculture industry.
Josh Hawley
You can come back and talk about the ones in the cities.
Stephen K. Bannon
I swear I'll do the. I'll do the whole answer. The illegal aliens that Joe Biden brought into our country are not full stop doing farm work. They are not the illegal aliens he brought in from Venezuela, from Haiti, from Nicaragua. They are not doing farm work. They are in our cities collecting welfare. As for the farmers, there is a guest worker program that President Trump supports. Over time as well, we will transition into automation so we'll never have to have this conversation ever again. But there's no universe in which this nation is going to allow the previous president to flood our nation with millions and millions of illegal aliens who just get to stay here. And we are especially not going to allow a subset of those illegal aliens.
Josh Hawley
To rape and murder our citizens.
Stephen K. Bannon
So we are going to unapologetically enforce our immigration laws. And as I'm sure you will celebrate, we are going to unleash the power and might of the US Government to eradicate the presence of transnational threats on our soil. Oh, my God, that's Stephen Miller. That's Pete Miller right there. Hey. He may not have a good bedside manner, but he can deliver. Jake Tapper blown out. And everything he said. When Miller talks, they're all facts. Got Steve Cortez. Steve Cortez is doing a special documentary down on something he's talked about a long time. Taking these Hispanic counties with Hispanic citizens and flipping them to maga. But Cortez, I've got to ask you for your response right there. We've wanted someone like Stephen Miller to go in at fighting into this mainstream media. When they ask these cheap shot questions all the time, over and over again, he comes back with facts and they don't want to hear it. Jake, Jake Tapper once again, as quickly as possible, your thoughts on Stephen Miller, sir.
Reid Hoffman
Well, that was a magnificent performance using facts and using the skills to defend the American people because he prioritizes the interests of regular Americans, the hard working, salt of the earth citizens of this country who have been so abused by the globalists and by their spokespeople like Jake Tapper. So I'm here in Starr county on the US Mexico border. I'm just yards away right now from the Rio Grande River. This is the most Hispanic county in America, Steve. It's 97% Hispanic. It's also a gritty working class place. It used to be solidly democratic. In 100 years, they hadn't voted for a Republican for president. They just did. And Donald Trump didn't just win. He won it walking away. It was a walk off home run. He won it by 16%. To give you the numbers, Steve, because I know in the war room you like data and evidence. What's happened here in just over eight years? In 2016, President Trump lost Starr county to Hillary Clinton by 60%. He was walloped here, however, because of how he governed and how he protected the border and how he prioritized the interests of working class Americans. He nearly won this place in 2020, he only lost it by 5%. Massive performance. He then won it by 16% this time around. And more gains from there to come. By the way, it's not unique to Starr County. I think this is the most incredible example. But if you look along the entire border, almost all of which was solidly Democratic previously, it's now almost all red Republican because of the transformation of the Republican Party into a Workers First, America first movement.
Stephen K. Bannon
You're down there to make a doc, you're making these documentaries. You've got this American worker movement that you're heading. What do people, when you're talking to them down there in Starr county, these working class Hispanics in this kind of hard bitten county, what are they telling you? Why do they back Trump? Why have they flipped so hard from Democrat to maga?
Reid Hoffman
Well, the first thing is the economy. And I think that's true for most Americans. Right. But particularly for working class people because this inflation has been so punishing to working class folks. And almost all Hispanics statistically are working class Americans. The inflation has just been ravaging to them. Also unique to Hispanics, they're the most entrepreneurial demographic in America. Well, small business entrepreneurs were disproportionately harmed by the policies of Joe Biden, the globalist policies, the inflationary policies that were great for mega international conglomerates but terrible for small business. So that's the first part. The second part, of course, here is at the border. They see firsthand the ravages of an open border, of awful lack of border enforcement. They see the violence and the depredation here at the border. And then the third aspect, though this is fascinating and I've really learned this in talking to the locals, is culture. These are culturally conservative people. These are people here who believe, for example, that there are two sexes. They believe there shouldn't be boys in girl sports. They believe that mutilating the private parts of a child is an abomination, even if it's done in a hospital under the guise of health care. So these folks, many of whom consider themselves to be Democrats, have come to realize, thankfully, that the radicalized, extremist Democrat party of the 2020s is no political home for them. So on all three of those issues, on inflation, on immigration and on culture, Hispanics all over this country continue to rally to our cause as long as we keep it about populist nationalist economics combined with cultural conservatism.
Stephen K. Bannon
Steve, where do people get these docs you're putting together? Where they get all the content you're putting up at your worker site?
Reid Hoffman
So best place to find me the the League of American workers is amworkers.com but the best place to follow most of my content is on the Twitter the the X I'm at Cortez, Steve Cortez with an S. This specific documentary will be out in just a few weeks. We turn them out pretty quickly. So I'll encourage, encourage everybody to please keep an eye out for this one. It's going to be powerful. We talked to a lot of really persuasive, amazing American patriots here in Star county today and we produced, I think, or had the beginnings of producing a fantastic piece of information combined with some art.
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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room
Episode 4228: Rise Of The New Press Core
Release Date: January 29, 2025
Introduction
In Episode 4228 of "Bannon’s War Room," host Stephen K. Bannon engages in a robust discussion on the evolving landscape of artificial intelligence (AI), the burgeoning power of big tech corporations, and the shifting dynamics within the media and political arenas. The episode features prominent guests including Senator Josh Hawley, Reid Hoffman, and Caroline Levitt, offering diverse perspectives on pressing national issues.
I. The Emergence and Impact of AI Technologies
Timestamp: 00:00 – 03:50
The episode opens with a conversation between Stephen K. Bannon, Reid Hoffman, and Senator Josh Hawley regarding the recent developments in AI, specifically addressing the capabilities and implications of a new AI model referred to as "Deep Seek."
Senator Josh Hawley expresses skepticism about the affordability and potential impact of smaller AI models, stating, “I think it's extremely important and interesting result. I don't think that suggests that the large models are actually not essentially valuable in creating things like Deep Seek” (00:05).
Reid Hoffman introduces the contrasting views on AI, highlighting both the fears surrounding its future and the optimistic potential for advancements such as curing cancer.
Hawley counters the optimism by emphasizing the historical pattern of new technologies increasing human agency but warns of the disproportionate benefits accruing to powerful corporations and foreign adversaries, particularly the Chinese Communist Party. He notes, “I know who's going to benefit from this latest breakthrough. That's the Chinese Communists” (05:37).
II. Senator Josh Hawley on Big Tech and National Security
Timestamp: 03:59 – 11:56
Stephen K. Bannon invites Senator Josh Hawley to delve deeper into his concerns about the growing dominance of tech giants and their implications for national security.
Hawley criticizes the "Faustian pact" between the Obama administration and Silicon Valley, arguing that tech companies have amassed monopolistic power without delivering on promises to benefit the broader public. He asserts, “They’ve gotten rich, Steve. They’ve gotten powerful. They have taken our information” (05:37).
Discussion Points:
Bannon highlights the partisan divide, contrasting Hawley’s populist views with Reid Hoffman’s more techno-optimistic stance, and underscores the urgency of addressing these tech-related challenges.
III. White House Press Briefing and Media Evolution
Timestamp: 16:20 – 33:35
Caroline Levitt, White House Correspondent for WarRoom.org, provides an overview of President Trump's administration's initial actions and introduces significant changes to media coverage strategies.
Levitt outlines the successful confirmation of five of President Trump’s Cabinet nominees and emphasizes the administration's rapid policy implementations, including executive actions on immigration and border security.
Media Strategy Shift:
Notable Quote from Levitt: “This White House believes strongly in the First Amendment, so it's why our team will work diligently to restore the press passes of the 440 journalists whose passes were wrongly revoked by the previous administration” (21:30).
IV. Natalie Winters’ Analysis from the White House
Timestamp: 25:21 – 41:43
Natalie Winters, the new White House Correspondent, reports on the atmosphere and interactions during the historic press briefing.
Winters describes the briefing room as "standing room all the way back" with a mix of legacy and right-wing media personnel present, noting a palpable tension and a sense of vindication among War Room contributors.
Atmosphere: She observes a stark contrast between the entrenched legacy media and the emerging new media outlets, highlighting the latter’s growing influence and the former’s declining prestige.
Critical Insights:
Winters reflects on the cognitive dissonance among established journalists, suggesting that their superiority complex is being challenged by the rise of alternative media platforms.
V. Reid Hoffman's Report from Starr County
Timestamp: 51:14 – 53:07
Reid Hoffman takes listeners to Starr County on the US-Mexico border to discuss the political shift among Hispanic voters.
Key Findings:
Reasons for Support:
Notable Quote from Hoffman: “On all three of those issues, on inflation, on immigration and on culture, Hispanics all over this country continue to rally to our cause” (51:14).
Conclusion: Hoffman emphasizes that the Republican Party’s focus on populist nationalism and cultural conservatism is effectively reclaiming traditional Democratic constituencies.
VI. Closing Discussions and Final Remarks
Timestamp: 53:07 – End
The episode concludes with ongoing discussions about immigration enforcement, economic policies, and internal strategies to counteract media opposition. Stephen K. Bannon and his guests reinforce the administration’s commitment to strong border policies, economic revitalization, and media transparency.
Bannon underscores the administration’s resolve to enforce immigration laws strictly and combat misinformation from traditional media outlets.
Senator Hawley reiterates the need to diminish the power of big tech and safeguard American data against corporate and foreign exploitation.
Conclusion
Episode 4228 of "Bannon’s War Room" provides a comprehensive examination of the intersection between technology, media, and politics in the current American landscape. Through in-depth discussions with key figures like Senator Josh Hawley and Reid Hoffman, the episode highlights the challenges posed by big tech’s growing influence, the impact of AI advancements, and the transformative shifts within media coverage and political support. The insights offered underscore a critical moment of redefinition for American political dynamics, emphasizing the need for legislative action, media reform, and sustained advocacy for populist economic and cultural values.
Notable Quotes:
Josh Hawley
"They’ve gotten rich, Steve. They’ve gotten powerful. They have taken our information." (05:37)
Caroline Levitt
"This White House believes strongly in the First Amendment, so it's why our team will work diligently to restore the press passes of the 440 journalists whose passes were wrongly revoked by the previous administration." (21:30)
Reid Hoffman
“On all three of those issues, on inflation, on immigration and on culture, Hispanics all over this country continue to rally to our cause.” (51:14)