Episode 4234: Attacks On Trump's Nominees

Summary

Summary of Podcast Episode 4234: "Attacks On Trump's Nominees" – Bannon’s War Room

Podcast Information:

• Title: Bannon`s War Room
• Host: WarRoom.org (Stephen K. Bannon)
• Description: WAR ROOM: Pandemic is the first and most comprehensive program to bring the most up-to-date information on the news of the day. Stephen K. Bannon brings medical experts, politicians, business leaders, and those on the front lines for a comprehensive look at the latest news and provides their insider insights.
• Episode: Episode 4234: Attacks On Trump's Nominees
• Release Date: January 31, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 4234 of Bannon’s War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves deep into the contentious confirmation hearings of President Donald J. Trump’s nominees for key government positions. The episode centers primarily on Senator Bobby Kennedy Jr.’s confirmation hearing for the role of Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS), alongside discussions about other nominees like Tulsi Gabbard and Cash Patel. Throughout the episode, Bannon and his guests dissect the political maneuvers, media strategies, and grassroots movements influencing these pivotal confirmation processes.

Confirmation Hearing of Bobby Kennedy Jr.

Stephen K. Bannon: The episode commences with Bannon confronting Bobby Kennedy Jr. about his recent statements and tweets concerning geopolitical tensions, particularly regarding Russia and NATO's stance on Ukraine. Bannon challenges Kennedy on his viewpoint that the US and NATO have been engaged in a regime change war against Russia even before the invasion of Ukraine.

• [00:00] Stephen K. Bannon: "Tanks were rolling across the peaceful border of Ukraine for the first time. You tweeted... this war and suffering could have easily been avoided if Biden administration slash NATO had simply acknowledged Russia's legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine's becoming a member of NATO. Did you say that, yes or no?"

Kennedy navigates these allegations by asserting his pro-vaccine stance and emphasizing his commitment to evidence-based science within the CDC. He addresses the conflicts of interest within the agency and promises to uphold vaccine safety and efficacy if confirmed.

• [04:10] Bobby Kennedy Jr.: "I am pro vaccine. I am going to support the vaccine program. I want kids to be healthy. And I'm coming in here to get rid of the conflicts of interest within the agency, make sure that we have gold standard evidence-based science."

Kennedy further clarifies his position on vaccine safety, particularly measles and hepatitis B vaccines, unequivocally stating that they do not cause autism based on existing peer-reviewed studies.

• [04:45] Bobby Kennedy Jr.: "If the data is brought to you and these studies that have been out there for quite some time and have been peer-reviewed and it shows that these two vaccines are not associated with autism, will you say, no, I need even more. Or will you say, no, I see this. It stood the test of time. And I unequivocally and without qualification say that this does not cause autism."

Attacks on Nominees and Big Pharma Influence

Bannon shifts focus to the broader challenges faced by Trump’s nominees, particularly highlighting the aggressive scrutiny and opposition from Big Pharma and mainstream media. He underscores the influence of pharmaceutical lobbyists in Congress and the systemic issues that nominees like Kennedy must navigate.

• [09:03] Bobby Kennedy Jr.: "Seven pharma lobbyists for one member of Congress. So yeah, they're out for him because he does threaten the pharmaceutical medical complex."

Bannon criticizes the Democratic Party's alignment with Big Pharma, suggesting a deep-seated antagonism towards nominees who challenge established pharmaceutical interests.

• [08:32] Stephen K. Bannon: "Big Pharma owns this city... they have a raw hatred for Bobby Kennedy like they have for Trump on different issues."

Grassroots Movement: Make America Healthy Again (MAHA)

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement, a grassroots initiative aimed at promoting health transparency and combating the pharmaceutical industry's influence. Bannon and Kennedy emphasize the movement's growing momentum and its crucial role in supporting Trump's nominees.

• [10:16] Bobby Kennedy Jr.: "Cassidy said and Bobby said, this is a transcendent, powerful movement and it crosses party lines. It is a movement across all kinds of demographics. Demographics."

Bannon highlights the movement's impact, noting favorable media coverage that has shifted public perception from fringe to mainstream support.

• [18:00] Bobby Kennedy Jr.: "This movement is no longer wacko, anti-vax fringe, marginal. This movement is now mainstream. And people realize that over half of this country, adults and kids, are sick. We've got to do something."

Political Strategies and Senate Votes

The episode delves into the intricacies of Senate confirmation processes, focusing on key senators like Bill Cassidy whose votes are pivotal for the nominees’ confirmations. Bannon and Kennedy discuss the strategies to secure these votes, emphasizing the need for grassroots pressure and direct engagement with senators.

• [11:37] Stephen K. Bannon: "If he doesn't vote, you've lost the committee."

Bannon urges listeners to actively contact their senators to support the nominees, particularly stressing the importance of Cassidy’s vote in the Finance Committee.

• [12:26] Stephen K. Bannon: "Numbers 202-224-3121. We have work to do today on all three nominees, but make sure you call and you should direct your call to Cassidy, Senator Cassidy's office, and let them know that you support Robert F. Kennedy Jr."

Nicole Shanahan’s Advocacy

Midway through the episode, Nicole Shanahan, a guest and vice-presidential candidate aligned with the MAHA movement, joins the conversation. She passionately advocates for Bobby Kennedy Jr.’s nomination, urging listeners to mobilize and support the movement through direct action.

• [22:31] Nicole Shanahan: "Tomorrow is a pivotal moment in our nation's history. At 10:00am Eastern Time, RFK will sit in front of the Senate Finance Committee for his confirmation hearing... I urge everyone to call their US Senators... We need as many votes as we can get."

Shanahan shares her personal experiences and the broader implications of the movement, emphasizing the shift from fringe to mainstream and the existential health crises facing the nation.

• [30:17] Nicole Shanahan: "This is no longer fringe because that many families are impacted by this crisis, that many families are impacted by this malfeasance. I mean that's why today is historic. It's sad that it is historic. It's sad because it indicates how big of a problem we have on our hands today."

Media and Public Perception

Bannon critiques the mainstream media's portrayal of the MAHA movement and its nominees, arguing that persistent negative coverage seeks to undermine public trust and stall the confirmation process. He contrasts this with the burgeoning support from grassroots movements that now challenge the media narrative.

• [09:38] Stephen K. Bannon: "Big Pharma owns this city and you just see it come through."

Kennedy responds by highlighting the financial and political leverage of Big Pharma, explaining how it marginalizes voices that threaten its interests.

• [09:38] Bobby Kennedy Jr.: "They are out for him because he does threaten the pharmaceutical medical complex."

Historical Context and Strategic Insights

Drawing parallels with past political struggles, Bannon reflects on the resilience and strategic moves of the MAHA movement. He underscores the importance of maintaining momentum and adaptability in the face of opposition.

• [36:32] Stephen K. Bannon: "What makes it so powerful is the audience is the most engaged, powerful, using your human agency... You have to let these Republican senators know that this is important."

Kennedy echoes the sentiment, stressing the importance of sustained grassroots efforts to drive political change and secure the necessary votes for nominee confirmations.

• [36:42] Bobby Kennedy Jr.: "Childrenshealthdefense.org and that's no longer a fringe group because I. We're no longer fringe."

Quotes and Notable Highlights

Throughout the episode, several powerful quotes encapsulate the core messages and motivations driving the participants:

• Stephen K. Bannon: "[...] the most important thing is to get Bobby Kennedy through the confirmation and get his team in place."

  [07:02] Bannon

• Bobby Kennedy Jr.: "This is a long-term grassroots movement that is finally getting a moment in the sun. This is not going away and this is a powerful movement."

  [18:00] Kennedy

• Nicole Shanahan: "If you vote against him, I will personally fund challengers to primary you in your next election."

  [24:34] Shanahan

• Nicole Shanahan: "This is our lived reality... These people are acting. And I think that at this point, the Democratic Party chooses its candidates based on who can act, not who gives a damn."

  [25:52] Shanahan

Concluding Insights and Call to Action

As the episode wraps up, Bannon reiterates the critical nature of the confirmation hearings and the role of grassroots activism in shaping the future of the country’s health policies. He emphasizes the urgency of supporting nominees who align with the MAHA movement’s values and the broader fight against entrenched pharmaceutical interests.

• [36:42] Bobby Kennedy Jr.: "Childrenshealthdefense.org and that's no longer a fringe group because I. We're no longer fringe."

Bannon closes by urging listeners to remain engaged, continue advocating for their chosen nominees, and support the movement through active participation and dissemination of information.

• [36:47] Stephen K. Bannon: "Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Nicole Shanahan is with us. [...] You owe back taxes, right? Here's the question. Why is the IRS targeting you and not millionaires who owe a fortune compared to you?"

While portions of the transcript contain advertisements and promotional content, the essence of the episode revolves around the strategic efforts to secure confirmations for Trump's nominees, the challenges posed by Big Pharma and mainstream media, and the mobilization of grassroots movements to influence political outcomes.

Conclusion

Episode 4234 of Bannon’s War Room offers a comprehensive look into the high-stakes world of political confirmations, spotlighting the fierce battles faced by Trump’s nominees against powerful institutional opposition. Through candid discussions, strategic insights, and passionate advocacy, the episode underscores the pivotal role of grassroots movements like MAHA in reshaping American health policies and countering entrenched interests. Listeners are left with a clear call to action: to actively support their nominees, engage with their senators, and participate in the ongoing fight for a healthier, more transparent America.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tanks were rolling across the peaceful border of Ukraine for the first time. You tweeted at 11:30pm your time. This war and suffering could have easily been avoided if Biden administration slash NATO had simply acknowledged Russia's legitimate, legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine's becoming a member of NATO. Did you say that, yes or no?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

I believe you're reading my tweet, Senator.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yes is the answer. A few months later you said on your podcast and I quoted it, quote, but this regime change, war against Russia that the US and NATO are waging via their proxy in Ukraine didn't begin when Putin invaded Ukraine. They had their eyes set on this objective long before that. Did you say that, yes or no?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

I believe you're reading my tweet.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

There's a lot. Yes.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

You're quoting a podcast that provided much.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To have a conversation with the chairman about whether I'm taking anything out of context. I don't think I am. And your answer is yes. The findings of the Government Oversight Investigation committee and investigated CDC's vaccine program in 2003. Senator Burton was chairman of that committee and he said that the. That certain individuals in that program had written off a generation of kids because of, quote, misplaced institutional loyalty to the CDC and because of entanglements with the drug company. But I am pro vaccine. I am going to support the vaccine program. I want kids to be healthy. And I'm coming in here to get rid of the conflicts of interest within the agency, make sure that we have gold standard evidence based science. And if you show me where I'm wrong and show me a single statement I made about science that is erroneous, which is interesting because here's what you told Steve Bannon on his podcast. So what we thought would be cool is if we captured that audio and then of course, had the greatest president, President Donald J. Trump, recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Then we went to a studio and recorded it, mastered it, digitized it and put it out as a song. Now releasing exclusively on the War Room. We, We, We. If you had nothing to do with it, Mr. Patel, why did you tell Steve Bannon, all his listeners, that you did? That's why it says we as you highlighted. Yeah. And you're part of the we, Right? When you say we, that includes you, doesn't it, Mr. Patel? Not in every instance. Well, that's new. So when you said we, you didn't really mean you. Is that your testimony? Not unless you have a new definition for the word we. Oh, okay. I always thought we included the person who pronounced the word. There's multiple studies establishing the safety of measles and hepatitis B vaccine and specifically that they are not a cause of autism. In this position, and you have previously said yes, but if you are approved to this decision, to this position, will you say unequivocally, will you reassure mothers, unequivocally and without qualification that the measles and hepatitis B vaccines do not cause autism? Senator, I am not going into the agency with any. That's kind of a yes or no question. Because. So if you're. Because the data is there, and that's kind of a yes or no, and I don't mean to cut you off, but that really is a yes or no. If the data is there, I will absolutely do that. Now, there is the data. Just because I used to do hepatitis B, as I've said, I know the data is there. Well, then I will be the first person. If you show me data, I will be the first person to assure the American people that they need to take those vaccines. Now, what concerns me is that you've cast doubt on some of these vaccines recently. I mean, like last few years. But the data, and I could quote some of it, the data has been there for a long time. I've been out of the game. I've been in Congress for 16 years. And this data was in large measure generated before I came to Congress. So my concern is that if you were making those claims and being so influential, I mean, your bully pulp is incredible with that responsibility that you never acquainted yourself with anything that might contradict that which you were previously saying. Let me ask once more. If the data is brought to you and these studies that have been out there for quite some time and have been peer reviewed and it shows that these two vaccines are not associated with autism, will you ask, no, I need even more. Or will you say, no, I see this. It stood the test of time. And I unequivocally and without qualification say that this does not cause autism. Not only will I do that, but I will apologize for any statements that misled people. People. Otherwise, thank you. Next, I just want to pledge you and I will never stick on a point if somebody shows me data that says I'm wrong. I know that's a. That's an interpretation people have, but it's absolutely wrong. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Reasons.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. It's Thursday, the 30th of January, year of our Lord 2025. What a day. Wow. Where to start? Where we're going to start is Mary Holland is back. She, we asked her yesterday and she came back. She was good for her word. MARY holland, Children Health Defense. You were very, were you enthusiastic yesterday or were you just patting us on the head and making us feel better? Did Bobby Kennedy get chopped up today or did he hold his own?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Listen, the intent was to chop him up Both days.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's pretty intense. You agree?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

It's very intense both days.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Some of the questions were brutal and tough.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

They were tough, but I think he held his own. I don't think we expected it to be pretty. It's a confirmation, no confirmation. That's the whole issue. Right.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You're saying the game is up or down.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

The game is up or down. I think it's going to be up. Now, you mentioned to me, Cassidy, the chairman and that he was negative.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on, hang on. Before you get there, it's not just up or down, it's up or down where you get through. But when I hear Bobby Kennedy sitting there and going, I'm pro vaccine. And they're also, what they're trying to do, if they can't remove them, they want to narrow their options. Look, Bobby Kennedy, we're a right wing audience and our audience, by and large loves Bobby Kennedy because he's a fighter. He's a fighter. This whole Make America Healthy Again has hit a chord, a deep cord in people. What we saw today is that they're trying to box him in. Even as he gets through, they're trying to box him in on those one or two huge things he has to do. Correct. Right.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

I agree with that. They're going to try to box him in. I think he didn't take the bait on a lot of those yes, no questions that take a lot of nuance and long conversations. And I think he has to come in saying, I'm going to accept the way HHS is today. But I'm going to bring radical transparency and gold standard science. Once he does that, Steve, he brings transparency and science. He's going to make changes based on that. But he has to say, and he has to actually take actions to accept what he's walking into. So I don't know that he's going to, he's not going to be static to change things. He's going to make people healthy again. He's going to have to make major changes. But he has to say, walking in the door, he respects what his predecessors have done for many years for our.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Audience is it, it's so obvious to me that big Pharma owns this city and you just see it come through. And what's interesting, they have a raw hatred for Bobby Kennedy like they have for Trump on different issues. But they don't hate Tulsi, they don't hate Cash, they don't. They dislike him, they want to stop him. And some of them, there's a visceral, they are incensed by Bobby Kennedy. Am I wrong in that?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Oh, I think you're right about that. And as we said yesterday, you know, seven pharma lobbyists for one member of Congress. So yeah, they're out for him because he does threaten the pharmaceutical medical complex. No question about that. He's going to open the books. The books have been closed. PhRMA gives the documents that they want to the FDA and the cdc. Fda, CDC don't do their own original science. NIH gets royalties. When they work with PhRMA, they get a lot of their budget from Pharma directly. So yeah, Bobby is very threatening to the pharmaceutical complex. They don't like him.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let's talk about the process today. We have to have committee votes out of Finance and Health and Human Services today. Where do we stand on those? You're the whip here for Bobby Kennedy, right?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Well, no, I'm at an independent organization but he founded us, so the only job.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

But your accountant knows us. Yeah, I'm counting notes you guys packed. The thing was.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Well, it's the movement. We had thousands of people here.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And you have these mothers article today, I think in the Federalist, if I'm correct, or the Free Press. One of them that says the most powerful new force in American politics is these moms of the make America Healthy Again. That you've totally changed the dynamic.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

That's as it should be, Steve. And in fact, Cassidy said and Bobby said, this is a transcendent, powerful movement and it crosses party lines. It is a movement across all kinds of demographics. Demographics. And it's exciting because it really is about positive change. Who can be against people being healthy?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ok, who, Who?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Well, pharmaceutical.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Yes.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Sick.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You're right. I got a couple of them today. They were coming at this guy like they were trying to, you know, kill him.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Sick people are very profitable. Healthy people are not profitable. Pharma knows that very well. Bobby Kennedy knows that very well. So, yeah, they don't like him. And it was as nasty as I fully expected it to be.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It wasn't. So you admit it was nasty?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Oh, absolutely. It was nasty. But one of the important things on this pharma issue is Bobby did push back against Bernie Sanders and say, bernie, you're taking money from pharma and maybe from individuals, but you're taking a lot of money. He didn't like that one bit.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let's do the headcount on finance. And Cassidy's the swing guy here, isn't he?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Yeah. Cassidy's very powerful right now because Cassidy. The only vote that counts is the Finance Committee. And on the Finance Committee, Cassidy's vote is critical.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To send it to the vote accounts is the Finance Committee.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

The help committee was a courtesy hearing. It was not a voting committee. So today was a courtesy. And a lot more senators got direct exposure. They went on the record. But the only vote that counts is yesterday. Cassidy's on that committee.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

If he doesn't vote, you've lost the committee.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

It'd be very. They need Cassidy's vote on the Finance Committee. I do believe that he's a traditional physician who left private practice 16 years ago. It makes perfect sense to me that he has absorbed the narrative of mainstream medicine. Vaccines are safe and effective. Vaccines save lives. He needs to talk more with Bobby to get comfort with Bobby that Bobby is not going to take people's vaccines away. He comes. He gave a speech today about the hepat, about hepatitis B. He was a liver specialist. He is following the narrative of mainstream medicine, but I think he is movable. I think he wanted to put those reservations on the record. But I hope and I do believe that he will support President Trump's nominee for his cabinet.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Numbers 202224, 3121. We have work to do today on all three nominees, but make sure you call and you should direct your call to Cassidy, Senator Cassidy's office, and let them know that you support Robert F. Kennedy Jr. We're going to get into Tulsi and cash a little later in the show, but we need all these hang in the balance. They can all get across if we have a big, massive grassroots uprising saying President Trump deserves his, his candidates. When you just said there, Bob, you sounded like the old Bobby Kennedy. That wasn't the Bobby Kennedy we saw up there. You wouldn't think the guy ever questioned a vaccine in his life by the answers.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Steve, if you've read the four books that he wrote while he was at Children's Health Defense, you know this guy questions vaccines and you know that he's talking about radical transparency, gold standard science.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Can he say in here he's pro vaccine today, Steve? He would. He, you know, just asking a simple question.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Yes, he said that, Steve. And, and I, and I think he has always said I'm not anti vaccine and if it really makes me healthy, I'm the first one who's going to take it. If the benefits overwhelmingly outweigh the risk, I'm the first one in line. He's never, not, he's never abandoned that statement. Once people know the real science and there's real transparency, I assure you, a lot of people are going to change their minds.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, the Maha moment. Can you stay through the break, Nicole? Shan has not. We're kind of jammed for time. I gotta do is Maha make America healthy again? Is it a modern grassroots uprising of particularly mothers? Yes. Or is it a cult?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

No. This is, this is decades in the making, Steve. I've been a part of this movement for 20 years. This is a long term grassroots movement that is finally getting a moment in the sun. This is not going away and this is a powerful movement and this is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Why this is a transcendent moment. This is a moment that has to be seized. And you believe that Cassidy, President Trump understands that, right? He does, which is pretty powerful. It is that he would kind of get this. He got it a long time ago, but he got this.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

You know, I think Cassidy gets it too. He doesn't want to go against this movement. He made it really clear I'm going to have moms on my case. So many of the senators said that it's really true. They know that there's going to be a political price to pay if they don't support this nominee.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Can you hang on for a second? Sure. Mary Holland from Children's Health Defense. By the way, fantastic job the Maha movement turned out the last two days in the cold. Pretty impressive short commercial break. Johnny Context is out with American Heart. We'll be back in a moment. Also, Nicole Shanahan will be joining us. Big victory on the 5th of November. Now the work can finally start on the Big issues facing the country. One of the biggest is the national debt and the deficits that drive it. Hey, you think the country's broke? The country is broke. We're just printing money to keep this house of cards going. The strategy remains the same for you. You got to diversify, diversify your savings. That's why buy gold from Birch Gold. So many things are out of your control, out of the President's control. It's important to have a safe haven for your savings. Birch Gold group, my gold company, will help you convert an IRA or 401k into an IRA into physical gold. Let me repeat that. Convert your IRA or 401k into an IRA in physical gold. And the best news, it doesn't cost you a penny. Text banded to 989-898. Get your free info kit. Plus right now through Black Friday, you receive a free 1 ounce Silver Eagle for every $5,000 you purchase. Let me repeat that. A free 1 ounce Silver Eagle for every 5,000 purchase. Protect your savings with Birch Gold. Text Bannon to 989-898 and claim your eligibility for your free silver today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. An historic day in the Imperial capital today. We had Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Being grilled on being the Secretary of Health and Human Services. A transcendent moment and a historic moment for this country. We had Cash Patel for the FBI and Tulsi Gabbard for dni. Three friends of the show. And I know the audience is all in. We kind of had NFL red zone in the first hour. Then President Trump stepped up and gave just a, how can I say it? A pretty impressive press conference that heads are still blowing up. So Natalie Winters is going to be. We're going to get Natalie up at 6 and we're going to go through all of it. I want to thank Birch Gold. We haven't had a chance to have many sponsors in because we've been doing live coverage with no commercial break. Birchgold.com, the end of the dollar empire. Modern monetary theory is a six free installment. The idea that broke the world. As you know, ideas have consequences. This one had a big one. It's one of the reasons the country's crabbing sideways financially. Modern monetary theory, make it accessible so that you can be the smartest person in the room about this topic. Birchgold.com Bannon talk to Philip Patrick and Team by Gold has been a hedge against times of financial turbulence for, I don't know, 5,000 years roughly. Mary Holland why was this once again Before I start getting into the muck of headcount and how we're going to get this passed, why is this a transcendent moment today? Historic moment today, you can kind of feel it, and you could particularly feel it in the forces that are receding. Why is this a transcendent and historic moment?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Well, even regardless of the confirmation, thousands of people showed up. This is a movement that has been growing from the grassroots for decades and it is now in the sun. So the New York Times is coming to talk to me. Louisiana Times just ran a favorable piece about Bobby Kennedy. Politico did a halfway favorable piece about children's health defense. This movement is no longer wacko, anti vax fringe, marginal. This movement is now mainstream. And people realize that over half of this country, adults and kids, are sick. We've got to do something. As Bobby says, it's existential, amazing.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let's talk about the practicality of the steps we have to do. The numbers 202-224-3121. Either go to the Article 3, Mike Davis's great app he's got that can help you, or our own Grace Chung has got the Bill Blaster. One of those two apps could help you. But make sure today. And we're going to take them. Bobby Kennedy first and we're talking about Tulsi and cash flow later. We got work to do overnight and tomorrow. These are hanging in the balance. I would say we should take nothing for granted. Take nothing for granted at the Finance Committee. Senator Cassidy, who's a, was a physician up until 10 years ago, right? He's the central person.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Yes, yes, he's a central person. He expressed his reservations today, but I do think he said he might want to be in touch with Bobby over the weekend. I do believe he's going to come around. He said that he wants to support President Trump's slate. He wants to support the vision. I do believe that he wanted to put those on the record, but that he is willing. I think he'll come around.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Where do we stand then with the floor votes? You know, Murkowski, Collins, McConnell. I mean, you can only take down three, right?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

So McConnell, you know, is a polio survivor. He is anti, you know, he's not going to vote for Bobby Kennedy. Murkowski and Collins were both at the help committee today. Both of them asked detailed questions about Maine and Alaska. They both had concerns, but my impression was that they were comfortable voting in favor of Bobby Kennedy.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And so you think that those have been against some of President Trump's earlier Picks, they were key for Gates leaving the yard. They were some of the toughest on Pete and eventually didn't vote for him. You think that Murkowski and Collins, from the way you saw the question, the body language.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Yes, that's what I saw today.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Are you guys whipping votes? Are you there to take? Are you getting information and giving back to Bobby about where we stand?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

No. I mean, you know, he's got his own team. I'm outside of that, but I think that's what it looked like today.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What is. Do you have any idea on the timing of this?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

People don't think that it's going to be tomorrow. Bobby had to answer questions, some more information back.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

So they have to. Right. So they had questions. There's a record he's submitting those answers tomorrow today from the questions yesterday, but they expect to vote next week.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah. President Trump's very adamant now about Thune's got to pick up the pace here. He wants his guys in. He solved this situation. Where do people go to get you? Because now more than ever. And we really want you to start. And our next guest, Nicole Shanahan brought it up the first time about agriculture and make America healthy again. We clearly want to get more people on here. We broke new ground on the pandemic and with vaccines. The Naomi Wolfs of the world. In fact, I just read Doppelganger by Naomi Klein. Her head blew up. Naomi Wolf as some feminist leftist, all of a sudden she's on Bannon show and she started watching. She got the one thing about Naomi Klein is very interesting. The book is from 2023. I got to talk to her one time. She actually predicted and the only one that predicted the 2024 race of exactly what we're trying to do, which is a MAGA plus, which is the MAGA base plus the low information, low propensity, plus the MAHA moms. Right. That is a winning coalition. If you do that, you can. You can change it like 1932, but you have to deliver on that. And Bobby Kennedy is the way we deliver. Where do people go to get more information about all this?

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Childrenshealthdefense.org and that's no longer a fringy group because I. We're no longer fringe.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Steve. You can't imagine folks out there, if you ever whine about MAGA and Howard, you can't imagine what they used to refer to Children's Health Defense. I mean, it was the cult fringy wacky wackos. Right. Just by determination, resilience and grit.

[Bobby Kennedy Jr.]

Here we are.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here we are. Mary Holland, thank you so much. Appreciate you. Let's play. We got Nicole Shanahan, but I got a great cold open. Let's play it. We'll bring in Nicole.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Hey, everyone. Tomorrow is a pivotal moment in our nation's history. At 10:00am Eastern Time, RFK will sit in front of the Senate Finance Committee for his confirmation hearing to be our nation's next Secretary of Health and Human Services. I urge everyone to call their US Senators over the following days and demand they vote yes on Bobby's nomination. He is more than qualified. He's proven principled and prepared to lead. I'll share a list below of key senators. If they represent your state, they need to hear from you. If they don't, please call your own senator and ask them to vote yes. We need as many votes as we can get. So this hasn't been widely reported, but in 2020, I cut large checks to Chuck Schumer to help Democrats flip two Senate seats in Georgia from red to blue. The two candidates I helped elect, Senator Raphael Warnock and Senator John Ossoff. Please know I will be watching your votes very closely. I will make it my personal mission that you lose your seats in the Senate if you vote against the future health of America's children. And more than that, I also want to say to Senators Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Lisa Markovsky, Susan Collins, Bill Cassidy, Thom Tillis, James Lankford, Cory Booker, John Fetterman, Bernie Sanders, and Catherine Cortez Masto. This is a bipartisan message, and it comes directly from me. While Bobby may be willing to play nice, I won't. If you vote against him, I will personally fund challengers to primary you in your next election. And I will enlist hundreds of thousands to join me. Big Pharma and Big AG have exploited us for far too long. It ends now. You're either on the side of transparency and accountability or you are standing in the way. The choice is yours. Please choose wisely.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Nicole Shanahan. Lord have mercy. Girl, you threw down hard. Tell me about. What was that, ma'am?

[Nicole Shanahan]

You know, the moms are pissed. I'm pissed. And watching the line of questioning that Bobbi has had to endure the last two days from individuals that have received millions upon millions of dollars direct from the pharmaceutical companies has been infuriating. And you know what? The thing is, is the Maga Maha movement is so big. I really do think it's the largest movement on the planet right now. And we're all watching this. Do you think Any Senate confirmation hearing has had this many live viewers, certainly not as many that are this deeply vested. And that's what this is all about right now. I didn't expect that video to go as viral as it did. And I've heard from so many people who are like, we're ready to go. Can you please primary my senator? They're just fed up. We're all fed up. And it's time to clean out this mess from our government.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Nicole, today, were you taken aback by the viciousness of the not the content of the questions, but the viciousness of the delivery of some of the questions?

[Nicole Shanahan]

Ma'am, I don't know where they get this self righteous viciousness. It is, you know, part of me wonders if they actually believe half of what they're saying. Some of it just feels like theater. And the reality is, is for the rest of us out here living this reality every single day in America, helping our kids through, you know, a new historic flu season, a new historic RSV season, children that are born with autoimmune issues, it's not theater for us. This is our lived reality. And so when I see that viciousness up there on Capitol Hill, these people are acting. And I think that at this point, the Democratic Party chooses its candidates based on who can act, not who gives a damn, who can tell, like any bit of their lived experience through any bit of integrity because they're so detached and they're so removed and the people feel it. Many of the senators we've heard from that were the harshest barely won their seats. I mean, Masto, Cortez, Masto, she won her seat by less than 1%. I mean, these things are like, these seats are low hanging fruit and we're coming after every single one of them.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Unbelievable. Can you bear with us? I want to take a short commercial break and bring back some other questions about this historic moment. Today for the Make America Healthy Again, the Maha and the Maga movement. Nicole Shanahan read us in a little bit, not just from the campaign, but when she came and talked about the Agriculture Department is quite enlightening. Want to thank Birch Gold for being our sponsor. We haven't had a chance to talk about it much. End of the Dollar Empire, modern monetary theory, the idea that broke the world. Make sure you fully understand it. You will not understand the deficit and debate issues. We go through the debate all over that. If you don't understand this, go get it. Today. Short commercial break. Nicole Shanahan, here on historic day, Make America Healthy Again, confronted the biotech Big Pharma medical complex Shortbring. For over 10 years, Patriot Mobile has been America's only Christian conservative wireless provider standing behind their service and the values of their company. They're an example of putting the cause ahead of profits and that's why I'm proud to partner with them. Right now. You can either get their Every Friday Matters special. Today, Patriot Mobile is giving away a brand new smartphone. When you make the switch, Patriot Mobile offers exceptional nationwide coverage giving you access to all three major networks. Let me repeat that. Giving you access to all three major networks without your dollars funding the left. When you switch to Patriot Mobile, you're supporting free speech, religious freedom, the sanctity of Life, the Second Amendment and so much more. Their 100% US based customer service team makes switching easy. Keep your number and for a limited time get a free smartphone. Go to patriot mobile.com that's all one word. Patriotmobile.com Bannon or call 972 Patriot and use promo code Friday. Again, that's a free smartphone. Let me repeat, a free smartphone offer is eligible only with the promo code Friday. This a limited time offer or until supplies run out. Terms and conditions apply. Join me make the Switch today. Patriot mobile.com Bannon that's patriot mobile.com Bannon or call 972 Patriot. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Nicole Shanahan is with us. She was the vice presidential candidate with Bobby Kennedy until they rolled in and partnered up with President Trump. Why is this a historic day on Capitol Hill for Bobby Kennedy and both the MAGA movement and particularly the Make America Healthy Again movement? Why is this a transcendent moment?

[Nicole Shanahan]

Ma'am, I'll explain it through a story, a personal story. My dear friend and mentor has a 26 year old vaccine injured daughter and she's been at this for 20, you know, five or plus years, you know, and she's been trying to. She hasn't been heard. She hasn't been heard for two decades. She hasn't been heard. So for her to tune in and watch all, like watch Mary Holland no longer be fringe, watch Bobby Kennedy talking on behalf of her personal story. The sad part of this all is that it is no longer fringe. It's no longer fringe because that many families are impacted by this crisis, that many families are impacted by this malfeasance. I mean that's why today is historic. It's sad that it is historic. It's sad because it indicates how big of a problem we have on our hands today.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Some of the Folks that you said, hey, I'm going to primary these guys because men and women shouldn't be around. Some of you have actually supported before. Did you not know at the time that they didn't really support your core beliefs? Or particularly since Make America Healthy again is central to your whole mission and why you're kind of involved in politics in the first place. Did you not understand it? Did they get bought off? Did they flip? Are they not the people you thought they were? What about that?

[Nicole Shanahan]

They're not the people I thought they were. It was 2020. I supported Warnock and Ossoff. I supported Chuck Schumer. And I went back and I looked at notes from then. I looked at my email exchanges with Chuck Schumer's office, and I had gone to Chuck Schumer with a huge folder full of documents about regenerative agriculture. And I said, why are you guys talking about all of these other climate change policies? All you have to do is fix our agricultural system, and everything you're talking about in terms of emissions and balancing our carbon cycle can be addressed through regenerative agriculture. Will you please, please do this? And he looked at me and he said, yes, I need your help. And he explained to me that he needed to win back the Senate majority. And so I cut him checks. I said, okay, well, if you're going to take on regenerative agriculture and we can move beyond all of this climate change mess, I'm happy to support you. This sounds like a great opportunity. And so I did. And then when that Senate runoff happened in Georgia, I happened to actually have a woman I had just started to work with. Her name is Shirley Sharad. She was head of agriculture at the USDA under Obama's administration. And she actually got pushed out. They were very vicious to her, that administration. There was some. You know, there's an NAACP speech that she gave that was misedited and then put online. And interestingly, it was Bret Bart at the time, when he was still a blogger, and it went viral. And they turned on Shirley without even any due process. They just turned on her, and they pushed her out. And so Shirley is in rural Georgia, and she's been organizing rural Georgian farmers. And I reached out to her, and she happened to have a C4. And I said, hey, I know Stacey Abrams can't get out to rural Georgia. Do you want to mobilize? And she said, yeah, I'd love to. I have a C4. So I sent her a million dollars to her C4, and she got out that vote. And they just narrowly, narrowly pulled off that race. There's suspicion that there was some ballot stuffing and ballot integrity issues and the seats were, quote, stolen. I don't know if that's true. Perhaps it is. But I do know the role that I played in all of that, and I take responsibility for it. And I was wrong to ever trust these people. And many Democrats are opening up to this, this acceptance that they were wrong, they were misguided, they were lied to, and it's all this bait and switch, and that's what the party's been. And nobody in their right mind can continue to support that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Boy. Shirley Sherrod I dealt with. I was Andrew Breitbart's partner. That's a whole nightmare. If it was not for Anthony Weiner, Andrew would have never been back on fox. Well, I'll tell that story later, but, man, you just sent shivers down my spine in the Shirley Sherrod tape. Before I let you go, there's been some talk you're very upset, what's happened in California. And there's some talk that you might be interested in running for governor against, against Gavin Newsom. Is any truth to that rumor?

[Nicole Shanahan]

There is truth to that rumor. I'm putting together an exploratory committee this coming summer. I haven't committed to running yet. There's quite a bit of work that needs to be done. If it's my time, I will run. If it is not my time, I will throw the full weight of my support, my media team, my endorsement behind. Great. Who is Maha Maga?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, I guess Newsom's not going to run again. I guess he's not going to get a year left.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Yeah.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah. Nicole Shanahan, where do people go to find out more about you, more about your support and kind of. You're one of the co founders of the Maha movement. Where do people go to find out more about that make America healthy again? Where they go to find out why this is a historic day and what we're up against in all of this. Ma'am.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Yeah, I mean, we are really a team, Steve, now. And I really appreciate the work you've been doing on transhumanism. That's a topic that I'm very passionate about. I have a podcast called Back to the People. You can find us on all of the major streaming platforms as well. I'm very active on X. That's kind of straight from my head onto the keyboard. It doesn't go through a big team. It's. It's my personal way to communicate what I'm finding what I'm thinking and the direction that I'm taking my work.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Nicole Shanahan on X.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Where do people get you on X at Nicole Shanahan?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you. Thanks for coming on.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Thanks very much, Steve. Take care.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What a day. We haven't and here's what was so powerful about it is that, and we hope that we tried to do it kind of like NFL red zone. We tried to cut the first hour. President Trump came the second hour. But if you looked at the intensity and what we do is really focus on the Democrats because they're coming in with these vicious questions, cheap shot questions, not really looking for an answer. We want you to see the grace under pressure of the Tulsi Gabbards, of the Cash Patels, of the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. In these were, this was, I thought, as nasty as it could get. I mean they came at Cash with everything, they came at Tulsi with everything, they came at Bobby Kennedy with everything. And I would tell President Trump, I think your folks came through with flying colors given what it was. And some people got dinged up, there's no doubt about that. Got a few scuff marks. I don't think anything came close to not expediting these and get Senate, get the committee votes as soon as possible and let's get them to the floor. President Trump said that when he gave the remarks today about the tragedy at what happened at outside of or over top of of Reagan National Airport here in the nation's capital, right over the Potomac. This horrible tragedy. President came in at 11:00am and really from I guess closer to 11:30, he was, he was late 11:20 came in but held like a 35 minute press conference. And I tell people that particularly with his audience, the Sunshine Patriots and the Summer soldiers are always going to be with us and you just have to accept that and the parties and just, just, just don't let it bother you. You're the backbone and you're the, the key part of this movement because you will always answer the trumpet's call and be there when you're needed and you're going to be needed to get these confirmations across and also to have President Trump's back. You could see the beginning if you look at the last 48 hours, they're feeling their oats. President Trump's victory had really smashed his self confidence. I think they started to realize that they had had every, they'd had their hands on the levers of institutional power and it gotten lazy and it really stopped thinking about American citizens, particularly working class and middle class Americans. They really became a party of the kind of the billionaires. Then the credentialed class dropped all the way down to kind of the, not the working poor, but just the kind of the abject poor. And they lost their way in a big way and they got smoked and they realized a long, torturous path back when you've forgotten those, those values. But they've seen in the last 48 hours. This is about the memo. The memo that went out was a perfectly fine memo. Did it go through enough process? I don't know, maybe not. But the point was President Trump was signing executive orders and taking executive actions. And the next day, remember we held up that, that, that headline of the Financial Times in London that said $300 billion basically carved back out, I think of the Green New Deal program that hadn't been spent. A lot of this dealt with impoundment. You know, President Trump signed an executive order and the next day, you know, the New York Times report, well, he signed something on the World Health Organization, but they're really not out, they're spending money. Or he shut down all the New Deal, all the Green New Deal plans, but he's still not out there, still spending money. And finally, I think he told people and guys around him said, hey, send a memo out to everybody and let's just go to full stop. We see where all this cash is and this is a normal course of business. I think it's done every, in every change of presidency because the new administration coming in wants to kind of understand, kind of, you know, you're changing the watch where all this cash is going. And they made it the biggest firestorm in human history. And maybe some people weren't giving a heads up, who knows, but they made it the biggest firestorm in human history. Then attach, I think the Doge memo that kind of put like in corporate America, hey, look, we're doing a restructuring here. If you want to buy out, those will be available. But if you miss this date, hey, you'll be around. But we can't guarantee, we're not going to guarantee you're going to have a billet. Because what I've, what have I been talking about here? Programs and billets, Programs and billets, not, but individual personalities or individual people. And you've seen that. That's what that memo talked about, right? We're going to be, we're going to be downsizing, we're going to go in a different direction. The President has full authority to do that, those two things. And you saw, you know, the firestorm Rachel Maddow, who's now five nights a week, she was looking for a hook and looking for to get a grip. That was part and you saw today if the illustrious nature of President Trump going down into the briefing room and the press was back on just like the jackals they were. It reminded me of some of the pandemic of which remember with Jason Millennial, we had war room pandemic and Raheem. Then for a while I just took it. But we would show the press conferences and they didn't want to hear what President Trump had to say. They didn't want to walk through about what he was doing on this pandemic, which I think he handled absolutely brilliantly given the information of the time at the time and how the apparatus was working against him. I almost felt like we were back to that given the vicious nature and its vicious, the vicious nature of the media. They're just vicious. And they don't come at Trump with facts. They're just going to come with just pure vitriol. So we have to I think today, I think they got lit today. So I believe and I keep telling people I said, look, you're gonna really know who has President Trump's back and who's in this movement by grinding through the next couple weeks. We get all these confirmations that got to get done. And I believe they're, I believe they're feeling it. They think a little bit of blood in the water. They just do. Not that there is, but they think so this is why I think and we'll discuss this as we go forward. You know, I think it went as Tulsi's the most vulnerable. Bobby's next in cash. I think Tulsi might have come through with this today. Think she represented Cash. I think they feel they got a couple of dings in on Cash and Bobby. I think they got some digs on Bobby now. I agree with Mary Holland. I think Cassidy's the key. We get Cassidy through it, he should get through it. He's a guy that hasn't been particularly pro Trump or pro maga. Think he's up for reelection coming at 26. He's got the reality check and I think you ought to give him another one. 202-224-3121. That's imperative, imperative, imperative. Then not just he vote for Bobby Kennedy, but he's got to help expedite. We got to get a committee vote. I would love to see that tomorrow. Although they've asked Bobby for a bunch of following information, I hope it's his team turns out as quickly as possible. We need Bobby Kennedy. If the last 24 hours, 48 hours have shown anything about this tragic situation in Washington with the Apache helicopter and the in the American Eagle jet that President Trump needs his team. He's in place now. Short commercial break I want to warn you of a huge change that could be coming to our money in our bank accounts. 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