
Episode 4246: Cleaning Out The Corruption In The Plumbing Of Government ...
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Rachel Maddow
Blumenthal today on Capitol Hill telling reporters essentially that Democrats are ready to make Republicans work for it. As Senator Blumenthal's office told us just this hour, Democrats know they can't unilaterally stop Trump's nominees from getting confirmed in the Senate, but they do plan to make Republicans work as hard as possible for it. They can make Republicans use up as much valuable floor time as possible on each and every nominee, and that's what they plan to do, slow the whole thing down as much as they are capable of. Now, that is along the lines of the advice that's been coming from one of the driving forces behind some of the protests you've already seen this week. Ezra Levin of Indivisible says Democrats should look back to the Republican playbook from 2009, just after Barack Obama was elected with a Democratic trifecta when Republicans were in the minority and Democrats controlled the House and the Senate and the White House. He says think what you will about Mitch McConnell and the Republicans plan. That was a very effective legislative tactic from a party that found itself in the minority. Known to you. What are you watching for in their actions that you think might really make a difference?
Ezra Levin
It sounds good, Rachel. And I will say I think we are in a much better place right now with Senate Democratic leadership and the Senate Democratic Caucus than we were a week ago. That said today, today 22 Democrats voted for, for another Trump secretary, 22 of them. So I like to hear from Senator Blumenthal, I like to hear from other senators that they are starting to agree to blanket opposition. I want to see the votes. I want to see the votes. And until we see those votes, I think what they're going to be hearing from their constituents is a demand that they fight back.
Rachel Maddow
Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader in the House, was interested. He put out last night, I think it was last night, might have been Yesterday afternoon, a 10 point plan for all Democratic members of the House. And it had a lot of different things that they're going to try to do and ways they're going to brief each other and communicate on things. But the last thing was essentially, I command you as Democratic leader of the House to go to your home constituents to hold town hall meetings and to hold other events with constituents and people who are in your district about what is going on right now. And I want you to do it, he said, literally today. And if you cannot do it today, you need to do it this week. And we will be surveying every Democratic member of the House to see whether or not they do this. As we have seen Democratic members, including in Virginia last night, start to do these town halls, they're packed to the rafters. People are desperate to be able to hear from one another and also to be able to, in many cases, yell at their member to do more. But the energy palpably seems like it is there. Ezra, if members of Congress and senators are going to essentially follow their leadership's advice, hold these kind of events and hear from the people who voted them into office.
Ezra Levin
I love this move. I love this move from Leader Jeffries. I think this is a very good move. What I would encourage every single Democrat on the House side to do is use that convening power that you have. People are going to show up. If you build it, people will come. If you are out in this country and worried about what's going on, you got to show up to these meetings. And one big benefit of Jeffries calling for Democrats to do this is, you know, who isn't holding public town halls to explain exactly what's going on in the Treasury Department to explain exactly what was going on with the. That attack Meals on Wheels and Head Start. You know who's not explaining that? Republican members of Congress. They're embarrassed by it. So what a great opportunity to create contrast with the Republicans and say, look, we are here. We are listening to our constituents and.
Stephen K. Bannon
What our role is.
Ezra Levin
People around the country are worried. Show up. Show up not just by yourself, but get a group together, get individual members or working families, party members or Move on members or whoever are your friends and family members and community. Get them together and show up in person. That demonstrates to your elected officials that you actually care about this.
Cash Patel
Cash Patel is yet to come up for a vote, but today, just before we went on air, Pam. Pam Bondi was confirmed as Attorney General as a party line vote, all Republicans.
Stephen K. Bannon
Voting for, all Democrats voting against, with.
Ezra Levin
The exception of John Fetterman of Pennsylvania.
Stephen K. Bannon
Who voted for her.
Cash Patel
Do you have any confidence at all.
Stephen K. Bannon
That she will uphold the rule of.
Cash Patel
Law at Main Justice?
Pam Bondi
I don't, unfortunately, because there's a lot to admire and like about her until you get to areas that are what you might call Trump sensitive.
Stephen K. Bannon
And she showed in the hearings that.
Pam Bondi
When she got to a Trump sensitive area, it was like a plane flying into the Bermuda Triangle and all the navs and comms went haywire and, you know, you just couldn't get a straight.
Stephen K. Bannon
Answer out of her.
Pam Bondi
And then when you flew back out of Trump sensitive areas, she went back to normal again. So when she's that frightened of Trump and that's subservient to Trump, that she goes haywire. When it's a Trump sensitive area, it's a really bad sign about being able to restrain truly dangerous people like Kash Patel.
Cash Patel
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people's not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.
Stephen K. Bannon
I know you try to do everything.
Cash Patel
In the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
Stephen K. Bannon
It's going to happen.
Natalie Winters
And where do people like that go.
Stephen K. Bannon
To share the big lie?
Natalie Winters
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
Stephen K. Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Cash Patel
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Stephen K. Bannon
War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. It's Wednesday 5February in the year of our Lord 2022. Dave Brat joins me riding shotgun today. Our own Natalie Winters is going to be all over today and we're going to have her back at 5 o'clock. Is she up right now? Because I know she's got a bolt. Natalie Winters. So the resistance, Natalie, it's coming from many different areas. People should understand. They're going to slow everything down in the Senate to a crawl. They have to do this because now groups that you've identified, like Indivisible is get. Indivisible is trying to do the playbook that War Room did in January of 2021. They have to have a rally point. They don't have a rally point right now. Just like we didn't have a rally point. Everybody on this side surrendered or crushed. Go back to 2021. Remember how bad it was when President Trump went to Mar? A Lago. You need a rally point. They have selected Indivisible to do this. You can tell. And the Indivisible people are not dumb, okay? They're not dumb. They've identified McConnell's playbook from 2009 in the first years of Obama. For you guys who are not there, McConnell did what I call a great rear guard action to try to slow down as much as possible. Natalie, you've seen this. You've also saying, hey, the law, we told you, they're flooding the zone with lawsuits everywhere. They're going to try to use the courts and go into these liberal areas and they're really going to come off everything DOGE is doing to try to get to the plumbing and get the plumbing right. And there may be some issues in that on data mining and AI. We'll get to that later. But just even the DOGE efforts in particular, they're freaked out because two things. Number one, we're getting rid of the FBI guys. You see how that's working? Number two, we're taking out usaid, which is a railhead of money for them to do all this nefarious activity, everything from shutting down conservative media to funding the invasion of the southern border to being a CIA cutout doing things in Ukraine. USAID is the scab that's got to be picked. But you're particularly focused on some of these lawsuits you say is going to be quite problematic. Natalie Winters, Stand and deliver, ma'am.
Natalie Winters
Of course, while the frivolous lawsuits are all that they have and to the point about usaid, I think if you look at any department that this city has gotten rich off of due to the fact that there are no audits, right, all these weird NGOs that no one has ever looked into in the name of what, promoting democracy abroad. USAID is the linchpin of that. And that's why they're melting down, because they know the gravy trains over. But more acutely, Steve, when we first started covering the resistance, when I put together that montage of the six hour phone call that I watched, who put that phone call together, it was indivisible. That was one of the leading voices. That guy is who Rachel Maddow has always had on as sort of the point person when it comes to discussing anything resistance related. And you're so right, they're culturally appropriating the war room in terms of their lobbying tactics. But I want to get really granular for a second on the lawsuits. There are two that have been brought against President Trump, the doj, for what they're trying to do over at the FBI. One of them is coming from some far left. It's called the center for Employment Justice. You can imagine what their politics are, but you don't have to imagine that much because the chief attorney listed on the case is a former Democratic Senate candidate. But I want to flag, you know, we're all about receipts here in the war room. I guess we're all about opposition research, too. This lady, an individual, the attorney by the name of Pam Keith, has been out tweeting for years during the Biden regime about how every single MAGA member of the federal government needs to be fired. Don't just take my word for it. I'll read you her tweets. Quote. America needs industrial strength disinfectant of the MAGA bacteria in our institutions. Clean the wound, Mr. President. Fire them all. Next. Quote. If we are to remove MAGA at the ballot box, then you must, must, must in all caps, remove MAGA from our institutions. Fire Dejoy. Fire Flynn. Fire Ray. Quote. It is time for the Biden admin to remove MAGA from our government. That's now the same attorney that is representing nine anony FBI agents, citing political retribution for President Trump's decision to fire them. Or at least have them answer a survey about their actions related to January 6th and last point, the second lawsuit that they've brought, which is coming from a group representing, they say, FBI agents. This is a group that came under fire for giving out, I believe, thousand dollar gift cards to agents who bent the knee to the BLM mob. This is a group that lobbies every government shutdown to try to get FBI agents paid. And funnily enough, they lobbied to keep Wray in place. So there are a bunch of political partisan hacks. And I think that that's just what we need to remember. These lawsuits that are coming out, it's basically just the new form, albeit watered down, because they have no power, but of the impeachment that would have been if they had any semblance of power. But instead they're relegated to activist types like Indivisible, like these far left NGOs going and crying on MSNBC.
Stephen K. Bannon
Play it again. Yeah, now. Keep going. Keep. I want. I want to go. Okay, here's what I want to do. If, If Denver and my crack production team can play again. Ezra, I think it's Levin. Levin of Indivisible. Tell me when you got. Tell me when you got this thing ready to go. I want to play it again. You're the first one, Natalie. Winners, as you normally are. You're the first one to warn us about Indivisible. Weeks and months ago. This is becoming the go to spot. The reason is they have these calls. They have 50,000 people on it. Let me. Let's just play. I want to. I want to single this guy out. Let's play this for a second. Go ahead.
Rachel Maddow
Known to you. What are you watching for in their actions that you think might really make a difference?
Ezra Levin
It sounds good, Rachel. And I will say I think we are in a much better place right now with Senate Democratic leadership in the Senate Democratic Caucus than we were a week ago. That said today. Today, 22 Democrats voted for another Trump.
Stephen K. Bannon
What I want you to see there, we'll put up on is, he's got the bomb. He's going full 12 o'clock high. He's got the little bomber. This pencil neck's got a little bomber jacket on. Right? Just go get a barber.
Natalie Winters
You're quite surprised.
Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, he's trying to be.
Natalie Winters
People want to be you.
Stephen K. Bannon
No, he's trying to be. No, he's trying to be Gregory Peck. Okay. Hey, Ezra, right here. This. This is. This is called a man. That's a man. That's Gregory Preck in 12:00 high. That's not you. Okay? It doesn't. The look is not working. That being said, these guys are. They're gonna do something. I can tell you. This is where the resistance is gonna come from. They're the rally point. Cause the Democrats are shattered. How dangerous is this Indivisible? And we gotta put stink eye on them, ma'am.
Natalie Winters
Well, the Washington Post, one of the reporters just, quote, tweeted me saying that I need to find better mentors. But I would say, hey, the t. The sphere of your resistance is trying to culturally appropriate Steve Bannon. So I think I have a pretty good one. But look, I have read all of Indivisible's kind of casework, their blueprints of how to plot the resistance. These people are extremely organized, down to the point where they have itemized tables of how to best lobby and intimidate, basically, peer pressure. Your lawmakers on your phone calls, they've advocated for all of their members to write op eds, specifically in local papers, because they have more traction. They're setting up town hall type meetings across the country, and hundreds of thousands of people showed up to those kind of mass mobilization calls that I watched, that I tracked. So these people are extremely, extremely engaged. But I think the more nefarious kind of angle to what Indivisible has done, which is part of that group, Democracy Forward, that we were talking about yesterday, is just the idea that they want to weaponize career civil servants and effectively turn them into, for lack of a better word, embeds. Right. Exposing the Trump administration. And that's why they're melting down so heavily about these people being removed from the building, because they can't be whistleblowers if they're not proximal to President Trump. So that's sort of the crux of it, and that's why they're melting down. And last point, Steve, what was Rachel Maddow's monologue about yesterday entirely. I guess now it's two days ago on Monday, the same day that USA ideas getting crippled. She's begging, groveling and imploring her audience to donate and support independent media, civil society groups like Indivisible because they know that gravy trains ending.
Stephen K. Bannon
Fabulous. You're on it. You're on watch and you're now doing from the White House, social media, where they get you. Where they get you. Natalie.
Natalie Winters
Natalie Jew enters on all platforms. I will see you at 5 from the White House. I like saying that better.
Stephen K. Bannon
Mentors. Wow. Guys are getting, they're getting personal now. Thank you, ma'am. Great work as usual. See you this afternoon. Short break. Dave Bratsworth. I got a lot to go through today. Be back in a moment.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. So we're hitting on fronts, but I want to talk about focus. A lot of stuff coming out of the Republican conference today and I want the topic will be focus. You have people like Byron Donalds and others being accused of going Chip Roy today and getting snarky and mean. I think at the conference over here. Here's the issue and I want to make sure, we bifurcate. You have to get the preliminary. It's like in ice skating. You have to get the preliminaries done. You have to ace the. The things you have to do the compulsory, you know, the compulsory. You have to ace those to be able to dance freestyle on Sunday night and win the gold medal. You have to get the basics done. They have to be done and we have to get tens on those. People are moving at a million miles an hour. It's great. You've got scale, depth and urgency. Scale, depth and urgency of what President Trump's doing in these verticals. But let's pull back right to our matrix. Let's pull back to what we've talked about from the beginning, from the very night we won. You have three big things that have to get done. Number one, you have to end the kinetic part of the Third World War. Only President Trump can do that, principally in Ukraine. Number two is in the Middle east and extract American involvement from that. Number two, you have to simultaneously begin the mass deportations. Let me continue to put the word mass in there. Mass deportations of, I don't know, approximately 12 million illegal alien invaders that have come here just from the 20th of January of 2021. Let's not worry about anybody came in beforehand. You just can't. Maybe if the criminal's in jail. Yes, but I'm saying that's a small percentage. You got to focus on what Biden allowed in the invasion. That's enough. It'll take us years to do that, but focus on that and it's mass deportations. Number three. In neither one of those, even the beginning of the kinetic part of the Third World War is not existential right now. If you handle it and extract it and the deportations are. The invasion's horrible, but you got the army there. Now this first step of stopping it, you have a much more awareness. Even Abbott saying the National Guard there, the existential is the financial part. Even I haven't pulled it up yet. But Bill Ackman, even Bill Ackman had a tweet last night and ackman goes through $36 trillion in debt, the refinancing, and that's driving inflation. That has to be cut. The way to do this, Doge, the thing itself is to get the grips around the spending, the spending. Morning Joe does, I think a 12 minute segment on eggs today. The price of eggs. Trump promised the price of eggs. The price of eggs, the price of eggs. You're only going to get inflation down when you get the Inflationary aspects of a Keynesian right at this low employment. I get my economist here. This is a Keynesian stimulus. You're juicing into the economy all the time at a $6.5 trillion of federal spending, approximately. And with four and a half trillion coming in, approximately that gap is $2 trillion. The Congressional Budget Office concurs. Me now there's some debate about dynamic scoring and dynamic scoring, I won't bore you with the details, but just roughly, it's $2 trillion. We're talking about reconciliations, bills and you know, do these things for the border and the taxes. Let's be blunt. The whole thing with Jason Smith and these guys over there on Ways and means is the $4 trillion of President Trump's tax cut. You have to renew the 2.6 trillion that goes to people, couples under 400,000 and everybody underneath that and maybe even juice that a little bit. And you got to take care of the pass throughs to the small entrepreneurs, which is another couple hundred billion dollars. So let's say of the 4 trillion, it's up to 3 trillion of that. A trillion dollar. The tax cut, I'm saying, can't even one. It should not be a tax cut for the wealthy. In fact, there should be a tax increase until we close the gap. Because they're the ones, the corporatists, the lords of easy money, the oligarchs in Silicon Valley, they're all welfare queens. They all want goodies and support from your dollars. And the place to start is the defense budget. And I'm a hawk. And I've got skin in the game to show them a hawk, as my daughter does and the rest of the family. We're hawks, but we're bigger hawks. The ticking time bomb on our national security is this debt because it's inextricably linked with our ability to face the Chinese Communist Party. And we're crippling ourselves every day. Okay, so let me pull back President Trump in his geoeconomic and geostrategic rethinking. This goes back to, you know, we're free market capitalists. One, we believe there should be more capitalists. There's not. Right now we're in a world, the world system is mercantilist, essentially where they're, where they're grifting off of. The whole world is underwritten, as President Trump said the other day in his tweet, is underwritten by working men and women in this country. That's why we are protectionists, that's why we look at external revenue Service. That's why we look at the golden market here that you've created. The little platoons that Burke talked about, that's given the stability and civic underpinnings of this economy of which, by the way, you guys are all dialed out of, except for a tiny piece on the income side, which is not increasing geostrategically. President Trump in amazing focus goes, hey, how about this hemispheric. Hemispheric defense. I think I've heard that before. Oh, yeah, that's right. The revolutionary generation and the founders, James Monroe being the biggest. And James Monroe, as people know, was, I believe, an officer at Valley Forge with General Washington as a junior officer, as Hamilton was, and John Marshall, many of the people the most loyal to, to General Washington and then President Washington and really the people that built the American system, that was a system of economics that came out of the report on manufacturers. And we as economic nationalists and guys that think, you know, Hamilton was fantastic. He went a little faulted deep in certain things, right? Had a little too much, a little bit kind of a globalist on the, I mean, nationalists, but kind of admired the British Empire a little too much. And I don't know, like a lot of individuals, you know, had a thing with the ladies, right? Just did. He was not. He was a very imperfect instrument, but a great man and I would argue one of the greatest of the founders, the American system, backed by Monroe, backed by Marshall, you notice the American system was really backed a lot by those that saw the sacrifice in the war, because we all think it's the Declaration of Independence. A bunch of lawyers writing a beautiful document that was just a beautiful document that, hey, set the table for an invasion that already started. I think we finished. I think we finished the Declaration on the second, ready for signature on the fourth, the British Expeditionary force landed in Staten island on, wait for it, the afternoon of the second. The founder, the revolutionary generation, knew they were going to war. This was the largest expeditionary force in world history at that time. Maybe as bigger than at least modern history. Bigger than Xerxes coming to Greece to shut down another democracy from Persia. Gosh, how that's interconnected today, right? So the hemispheric and you send Rubio the first time to Panama, he's got a 30 minute meeting and the guy walks out. The President walks out to the stick, says, I'm out of one belt, one road. And we told you they pulled the contract yesterday. They began to pull the contract from Hutchinson Juan Paulo, the huge trading company in Hong Kong that runs the Port of Hong Kong and runs the port of Panama. They're throwing them out. He's taken that in Greenland. We had Tom Dan's very moving ceremony yesterday, laying the wreath on the door where the Dorchester sank with the four chaplains, two Protestants, a Catholic, and I'll throw in a rabbi. Right. Sank out there in the North Atlantic, freezing to death immediately with hypothermia on a merchant marine ship. So in Greenland, you've got the extension of Fortress America, the extension of 2.0. If you add the island chains in the Pacific, you've hermetically sealed the United States. Throw on top of it an iron dome, and we're good to go in Ukraine. Zelensky, who used one of the crudest terms, and I've been known to throw out a couple of crude terms. I got it. I'm an Irishman and a naval officer. Sometimes it just slips and I run a little hot. Sometimes.
Cash Patel
He.
Stephen K. Bannon
One of the crudest descriptions for Tucker Carlson. What has Tucker Carlson done? Stood up for his nation and want to know where the grift is. And this is a guy on Piers Morgan comes yesterday on Piers Morgan. And Zelensky sitting there and says this crude thing about Tucker Carlson on the day after he told the Associated Press, I only got $77 billion. I don't know what Marjorie Taylor Greene and Bannon and all these guys are whining about. What are they talking about? I only got 77 billion. I know you allocated 179, but hey, I don't know.
Cash Patel
I just got 77.
Stephen K. Bannon
It's an open secret in this city. It's an open secret with the CIA. It's open secret in New York and the city of London that they've been stealing with both hands. Open secret. They're stealing with both hands. And right now we're a little too bogged down in that. I'm not going to address Gaza because it's about focus and about opportunity costs. And we've got. If we've got a shredder, we're going into. Here's the shredder. It's not simply the reconciliations bills. The reconciliation bills are trying to accomplish things and do things that are good to haves and actually saying the tax thing. Yes, nice to. You have to have. As Scott Besson says, however, we have something fundamental that nobody wants to talk about. And now I'm sitting inside the conference because we're hammering it. On the 14th of March at midnight, the government's out of money again. It doesn't matter if Elon's over there. He's got the checkbook or he's got in Tracy. He's finally gotten back. He's going to OMB for the where it's allocated and then going back to the thing. Got the checkbook. Just stopping them writing checks doesn't sought that's not cutting spending, that's just slowing it down. I kind of dig it in one aspect of puts them on notice. Your money just can't flow. However, Midnight on the 14th is the moment of decision. We're either in or we're out. Do we actually shut down President Trump? Does he actually shut down his own government from funding I've been telling you.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban gold all time high. Okay. Gold Birch gold. Think gold's at 2850 by the way. Breaking news over at Zero Hedge Twitter. Our own Jason Trenner of Strategis is been named the assistant secretary of treasury for financial markets. Great, that's fabulous. We've lost the entire economic team. It says for E.J. antonio and Dave Brett. This is how desperate I am. I got a pro, I got a failed pro tennis player here that finally had to make a living. So he went and he went to work, he went to, he taught at a college of poets. I'm kidding. Brat's my go to now. In all things economics. And by the way, to show you brat stepping up to the plate. He's been coming to me all night with these detailed mathematical calculus formulas that proving he's like a mad professor now saying I've figured it out. He's on the truck. He's on the whiteboard. I go, dave, stop, stop. I said, no. Bessant's gone. Peter. Peter's on CNN this morning. We're here. Peter. Peter was great on cnn. Navarro, you got Besant. Vote. They're slowing down vote. They just said they're going to do 30 hours. They're so apoplectic on vote. Rachel Maddow every night. She's back to work five nights a week. She ain't happy about it. Okay, good. She's on vote every night. Morning Joe's doing 15 minute segments on the price of eggs just for the Republican caucus over there. Look, only 170 people went to Doral. That is a warning flare. Why didn't everybody go? What I'm hearing is that people are very upset. There's not enough serious work going on this budget. And look, the reconciliations are fine and there's no plan for that. Lindsey Graham in the Senate, you should know is coming forward with the two. They're coming forward with. They're coming forward with the border and energy etc. They're not doing it because they're friends of war room. Remember in the Senate's moving. The Senate's moving at the donors. The donors are very concerned that if you have won big beautiful bill. It's easier to vote down. They got to get those tax cuts. I actually think. I think it's easier if we bifurcate it. First off, we got to get the border. They don't have the money right now to do what Homan and these guys want to do. Remember, it's mass deportations. The onesies toosies they're doing now is heroic. I love the optics. We do know though from people there it's getting harder. It's administrative warrants. Pam Bondi is going to change that. Pam is going to be at the White House 11:30. We may cut to the Oval Office. She may be in with the president. We'll cut to Pam Bondi got approved last night. 19 Seagal Chadha out. Nevada has sent me 19 Attorney Generals are suing now. I think on cash Patel they want. So what was said on Rachel Maddow the last three or four nights they're digging in now. They're shattered. They don't really have a Leader, you know, Jon Stewart's telling Schumer, you got to get off tv. But they're trying to regroup. They're trying to look at a rally point just like we did in 21. Remember that? And they're going to have it. And they have much, many more resources. They still have the media. These guys are far from done. This is why USAID has to get done, because you're taking out a funding pool. Okay, so I want to go to the price of gold hit another all time high. I think overnight I'm not here hawking gold. What we're making available to you is, and we know the audience loves receipts and loves details. It's very important, we believe, for you to understand in all the range of financial alternatives, you need a hedge against times of turbulence. That's what gold's always been. How gold's performed over the last couple of years has traditionally not had gold performers. Dave, Brett knows this. I mean, I think we picked it up as like 1100 bucks an ounce or 1200 bucks. You've never had these kind of moves. The moves are going because of the decrease of the purchasing power of the dollar. Why is that? Okay, let me think for a second. Hang on. Oh, the deficits, the federal spending, the railhead all gets back. The apparatus has more control over you. They're more involved in every aspect of your life. Right. Inflation goes and now it's embedded. Bill Ackman. Can we put up the tweet from Ackman? You know, Ackman's no fan of Warren, but he is a major axe on Wall street as a hedge fund. I think he runs Pershing, Pershing Square Capital. Pershing Square Capital, as you know, is one of the little squares there in New York that are dotted with him. And he's saying he has a whole thing about Elon Musk and about letting Doge do their work and find these cuts and do this in supporting President Trump and Elon Musk, but his preamble is the mantra of the war room is that at 36 trillion and adding a trillion dollars every couple hundred days or so and having deficits still annually at $2 trillion in perpetuity, because ladies and gentlemen, this is as far as the eye can see. He's saying it's not sustainable.
Cash Patel
Plus he gets to the point in.
Stephen K. Bannon
Having to refinance that. He gets down to having to refinance that a third of it essentially every year at higher and higher rates. Because that's what's happening, that you're embedding inflation that you can only take away when you cut the deficits. We're not talking about in your lifetime. The lived experience of this audience. We will not get to ever taking off a dollar the principal amount of the debt. It won't happen. The struggle now even Elon Musk went for 2 trillion off the 6.5 now to now 1 trillion off. And I'm not faulting him. I think he's understanding it's a lot more complicated. It's not like a company. And this is my point about the omb where the money was was I think shocked everybody that wow, it's everywhere. Head Start, Meals on Wheels in every congressional district. They were getting blown up down a Doral. This is why, this is why President Trump retracted the memo. But remember not the content of the memo which was slow down payments. And it shows you everywhere. Also shows you complexity of Medicaid. Medicaid. You would think Medicaid and Defense Department be the two. You look at Medicaid ain't so easy because since corporations haven't paid anybody and not picking up health care, Medicaid's in there, you know, and it's going to maga, particularly working class American. That's just a reality you have to face. So with all that, it gets down to Elon, then cuts to a trillion dollars starting next year. And what he's going to DO is identify 4 billion a day between now and October 1, the new fiscal year to identify and kick in. And I'm only my point is yo, I got that. But right now I know you're doing the line diagram but this weekend sit down and just round up to the nearest hundred billion. You do this in restructurings all the time. You're not going to get to the fifth decimal place. You don't need to get to the fifth decimal place. The thing's so big and out of control. And this is what's out of control is the spending and it's the system. Elon is out. Like I was a junior officer on a Navy ship. You have to what's called fight the ship. You have to understand how a combatant as a system works. And you also have to learn when the enemy gets a vote, when you're in combat and things start blowing up, you have to know the system well enough that you can revert on damage control and do other things. You've seen this. If you've ever watched some of the war films about Navy ships, Elon's engineering brain is doing the same thing. OMB memos to find out where the cash is, how much percentage of it's out there and where does it go. And he goes to the railhead, then back to treasury that actually writes the checks. And you know, in Trump's version of the world, hey, the way you control a company is control the checkbook. You don't sign any checks that you can slow down payments. You can stretch out. You can, you can make vendors a permanent part of your capital structure. People do that all the time in restructurings. Right. I'll give you 10%. Now you got to stretch your payments out. If vendors want to keep selling stuff, they have to do it. It hurts them. But hey, that's just the life. And if people, everybody in the audience knows that you run a small business. But at the end of the day, the appropriations bill is a law. It's a law for a reason. It's statutory. They vote on it, they negotiate it for a year, they allocate it and it goes into a first a Treasury where the payments go. Then OMB had a manager how to look at it, but it's a law. President Trump's theory of the case and Mark Paoletta and Jeff Clark and Russ Vogt, you know, three guys have been on the show a lot, have this theory of case of impoundment and their theory of the case of impoundment, like in the Green New scam, when President Trump signs his executive order and say the green new scam is over. Right. That the 300 billion the same. Remember the headline financial times, 300 billion. President Trump can grab that because the trillion dollars was a ceiling. And he can Unified theory of the executive. As chief executive, he can make a determination and give me that money. And I'm going to reallocate that to Tom Homan, et cetera. Okay. This is by the way, it's an interesting theory. We happen to believe it's correct here in the war room. But nine people in black robes across the street are eventually going to make a decision on that day. Brad. So, and here's the thing. The 14th, this train's left the station is hurtling down to a conclusion. Everything should be put aside right now for the next 30 days. And Elon should sit down with the president. I understand you're doing stuff and running around shutting down the FBI and God bless you, we need it. However, the main thing is to make sure that and we should have this if it's going to be too if we don't have the political will the votes to cut it, then let's Just have an adult conversation. Then we got to figure out how to finance it. But right now we're kidding ourselves. And this is why you're seeing Byron Donalds and this is why you're seeing Eli Crane and Andy Biggs and the same guys. And Byron Donalds gets it. He's going to run for governor of Florida. He wants to be part of a team that got something done in the House. Dave.
Pam Bondi
Brad yeah, well, that's, that's the main point right there. It's back when I came in with Paul Ryan and Speaker and I assumed these guys had a plan. There was no plan. And so now why is Elon, all the pressures on Elon for this trillion. Because the House and the Senate have totally failed. And the American people are starting to see right now with these stories converging Barrasso and Lindsey Graham versus the Speaker Mike Johnson in this debate over the one big beautiful bill. How in the world do we not have our ducks in a row, right? The left is planning to come after us. Schumer's going bananas right now. MSNBC is blowing up. The time will come when they attack and we're not ready to go. I mean, we're doing great work right now, but the House and the Senate aren't responsible for any of it. Joni Ernst wrote article yesterday, was in an article yesterday. She's scared of usaid. She says they're coming after. USAID is threatening her.
Stephen K. Bannon
Oh, stop. What do you mean USAID is threatening her? What does that mean?
Pam Bondi
$50 billion. They said you can't look to a US senator. You can't look at, at these contracts. You can't look at this classified stuff because you might leak it. They work for her. Right? And so this is the problem. This is the House and the Senate have been letting this go on for 20 years and now it's all coming out. Right? And so the House and the Senate are going to look really bad as this news emerges. And so getting back to your egg thing, right? This inflation and eggs are up. It's total gaslighting, right? Prices went up 22% under the Biden regime. Inflation's 3% this year. So prices are up 25% over the past five years. 25% out of your retirement account, by the way, not just eggs. Your retirement account is worth 25% less. That has not sunk into the average American person yet.
Stephen K. Bannon
And so it sank into the brics. Yeah, this is why they tried to bind together to have a gold bank. And President Trump said, hey, look, I love the BRICs, 100% terrorists. If you keep messing around with the dollar. Right.
Pam Bondi
And if people are getting confused about the causes of inflation, Friedman had it right. It's always, when you print $9 trillion M2, you're going to get inflation. It's money printing.
Stephen K. Bannon
Explain that. Yeah, so it's M2.
Pam Bondi
M2 is the amount of money in your economy. Right. And so if you print way too much money, you're supposed to print the percent change of GDP growth. Skip the details here, though. What matters is people think government spending causes inflation. It does not. It appears to, because every time we spend government spending is 2 trillion. The federal Reserve comes in and accommodates it. That's the big word for the day when it comes to the Fed. The Federal Reserve accommodates the spending so that interest rates don't go through the roof. That is not really their job. They're not supposed to be accommodating and making it easy for our government to run $2 trillion deficits. But when you have the uniparty and no congressional oversight from the House and the Senate. Again, I repeat myself, for the past 30 years, the Fed gets us into the 0708 financial crisis, creates the Tea Party movement that leads into this populist movement that's international in scope. Trump is clear in the field right now. The left is apoplectic. But it all comes down to this 36 trillion in debt. That's $36 trillion. Where do you see that in our economy? What's that? $36 trillion in debt done for you, as Steve says, every day? Where do you see it? Do you see it in the cities? Do you see it in human capital? You see it anywhere? It's crowding out our ability to do anything right. Yeah, we're coming up.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on one second. We're taking a short break. I've listened to the audience. Dave Davis. Dave is in the room. He's at the mic. Short break. Back in a moment. We rejoice when there's no more. Let's take down the ccp.
Cash Patel
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Stephen K. Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. So Birch Gold, make sure this is about turbulence. Want you to be as smart as possible. The end of the dollar empire. Make sure you go and get. It's been on fire. The request for this modern monetary theory. People are digging it. Brad's going to be here. We got Rickards coming on the geopolitics and capital markets because quite frankly, this every March 14th and I'm telling you now, what's going to happen is going to be extend the CR for one year. Extend the CR for one year. And that means we're going off last year's spending, which is, it's still Biden's. It's Biden's numbers.
Pam Bondi
Yeah.
Stephen K. Bannon
We have to face the reality. We kick this thing to the can to make sure that President Trump get a shot doing the budget. We have to do it. Johnson, these guys, everything should be dropped right now. The focus should be on this. You need focus is power. Focus is power. I would actually say focus oftentimes is a superpower. Right. Focus is power. It's one of the reasons we were one of the elements with you and you were the major element of turning this thing around because we focus on going after the illegitimate regime every day and able to get a rally point like they're trying to do right now over on the left. And all I'm hearing all day, my phone's been blown up, people telling me, hey, they're coming with lawsuits. They're trying to slow everything down. They're trying to slow to get through the hundred days and the six months and then basically tried to entangle President Trump and everything. This is why we don't need to entangle ourselves in more things. The list of stuff we have is monumental. It will return America to its greatness. But you have to rank order those of what we have to do and the, you know, as much as it's positive and Things are positive. When you look at galvanized others it's about 48 or 49% approval and it's about 47 cent disapproval. Now I know in groups we break out and I would say ashes think it could be in the mid-50s. But even that given what you're trying to accomplish, which is huge is, is amazingly, you know, important. Patriot Mobile make sure I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. On the 28th, Friday night, the 28th in Tarrant county if we can get that up. Posto is going to be with me. So I'm going to give a major address down there to the Tarrant County Republican Party. Patriot Mobile is putting it on. Patriot Mobile, your Christian values backed up every day by Glenn Story and the team. Just absolutely amazing. So I'll be down there on Friday. We'll probably be doing the show from around down in the Dallas Fort Worth area. We'll figure it out and get, get notification to you about what we do. Also at cpac. We're gonna be at CPAC in very special. I think we're working on some special accommodations given the size of the show and the amount of people we're bringing. CPAC.org put in war room you get a huge discount. Tickets are 76 bucks. Essentially giving them away to the war room posse because they want to know the huge turnout of the couple thousand that we brought last year. So pretty amazing. Also Patriot Mobile in Birch Gold.
Cash Patel
Birch Gold.
Stephen K. Bannon
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Pam Bondi
Yeah.
Stephen K. Bannon
You've been, you've been chomping the bit here.
Pam Bondi
Yep, yep. You got the. Cameron, you got the chart with the equations up at the top. This is wonky. I'm not going to make it wonky.
Stephen K. Bannon
This is wonky. No, this is beyond wonky.
Pam Bondi
This is right here.
Stephen K. Bannon
You don't get this at Harvard Business School. My brain is frozen.
Pam Bondi
That's the problem. Right. Here's the fundamentals. There's three things that. This is a solo Nobel prize winning economic growth model. Solo 50 years ago. Three things in that equation cause growth capital stock. The capital stock in China right now is 100 trillion. In the US of A, it's only 70 trillion. So I hate to be a downer. We're doing great things right now. Elon Trump, everything. That's just to stop the dumpster fire, right? They're just stopping the bleeding. They're stopping the Marxist Leninist overtake of this country. But to rebuild. If you don't rebuild your capital stock, and we haven't even started. Trump's putting all the right moves in place for that to occur. Three things in that equation. Capital stock, human capital. The literacy rate in downtown Chicago for the poor kids is. 12% of the kids can read in the third grade. You tell me how that's the American citizen first that the liberals care about. And third is technological growth. So he's got the techno brothers on board, but we'll see if they can put policies in place that help the middle class. Next chart, Denver. I just want to bring this one up. I'm giving this talk at the Atlantic Council in a couple hours with some of our friends from Ukraine.
Stephen K. Bannon
Holy.
Cash Patel
Stop.
Stephen K. Bannon
Stop talking about buzzfeed. The Atlantic Council is the worst. The.
Pam Bondi
I'm a converter.
Stephen K. Bannon
You're, you're, you're there as a populist national. That's the biggest globalist. Okay, yes.
Pam Bondi
I'm going full on. Look at this chart. You can go back to 1981. Denver. There's India and China. The big red balls making $2,000 a year in 1980. I see all those yellow balls to the far right, the rich ones. The further to the right you are, the richer. All those yellow balls are what's known as Protestant Christian countries in Western Europe. The free market system. All humanity made $500 a year for all human history until we chose. It's a social choice, the free market system. This does not go against anything in the Trump agenda. He's trying to get back to a level playing field where the globalists and the European elites and Canada's Trudeau and Mexican criminal class, not the people we love, all the people everywhere but the elitists have been ripping off the United States forever. Canada's spending on Defense is 1.4%. It should be 4%. And they're lecturing us. What I want to point out on that graph right there, those Christian countries. This is by Bradford DeLong, top economist at Berkeley. I don't think he's a Presbyterian. The probability of the Christian countries growing like that is 1 in 10,000. There's a 1 in 10,000 chance that all those Christian countries grew the fastest in the world at random. It didn't happen that way. Our most recent Nobel Prize in Economics went for the outstanding contribution that private property rights and the rule of law is helpful to economic growth. No kidding. So is the Christian religion. So is a morality. All of our founders knew that I.
Stephen K. Bannon
Get grief with it. But this is the underpinnings of the the Judeo Christian west. Those, those ethics and those values.
Pam Bondi
Yeah, that's right.
Stephen K. Bannon
And the work ethic, the husbanding of resources, the stewardship, all of it, Old Testament and New Testament combined led to the underpinnings of that that make these successful societies.
Pam Bondi
Correct. And you can copy the cookbook Japan did. But then Mitti, their manufacturing got too tight with the government and they had the last decade or two like we're about ready to have. And as.
Stephen K. Bannon
What do you mean by that?
Pam Bondi
Well, our culture is fading too. We're going to these techno brothers.
Stephen K. Bannon
I thought we're heading to a new golden age. President Trump tells me that we're going to get that story. The next. Okay, the right stuff. What's the right stuff mean to you?
Pam Bondi
Right stuff is the Judeo Christian west and everything that goes with it.
Stephen K. Bannon
That it's indefinable. But you know it when you see it. And I see it in Dave. Brad. Brad, when are you going into treasury and get a real job? Don't go, don't go to the waiting.
Pam Bondi
For the invisible hand. It's going to happen. Something will happen.
Stephen K. Bannon
Short break. Jim Rickards joins us next in the War Room.
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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room
Episode 4246: "Cleaning Out The Corruption In The Plumbing Of Government"
Release Date: February 5, 2025
Introduction
In Episode 4246 of Bannon's War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves into the pervasive corruption within the U.S. government’s infrastructure. The episode features insightful discussions with key figures such as Pamela Bondi, Natalie Winters, Dave Brat, and Cash Patel, addressing Democratic strategies, resistance movements, economic challenges, and the path forward for the Republican Party.
The episode opens with a segment referencing Rachel Maddow’s commentary on Democratic tactics in the Senate.
Rachel Maddow (00:00) discusses Senate Majority Leader Blumenthal’s statement:
"Democrats know they can't unilaterally stop Trump's nominees from getting confirmed in the Senate, but they do plan to make Republicans work as hard as possible for it."
(00:00)
Ezra Levin of Indivisible responds by highlighting the need for Democratic leadership to present a united front:
"I want to see the votes. I want to see the votes. And until we see those votes, I think what they're going to be hearing from their constituents is a demand that they fight back."
(01:07)
The conversation shifts to Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader in the House, and his initiative to enhance constituent engagement.
Rachel Maddow (01:42) describes Jeffries’ directive for Democratic House members to hold town hall meetings:
"I command you as Democratic leader of the House to go to your home constituents to hold town hall meetings..."
(01:42)
Ezra Levin (02:52) praises this move, emphasizing the importance of direct engagement:
"I love this move from Leader Jeffries. I think this is a very good move."
(02:52)
The panel critiques the recent confirmation of Pam Bondi as Attorney General, highlighting concerns about her allegiance to Trump.
Pam Bondi (04:21) expresses distrust in Bondi’s ability to uphold the rule of law:
"I don't, unfortunately, because there's a lot to admire and like about her until you get to areas that are what you might call Trump sensitive."
(04:21)
Pam Bondi (04:32) further criticizes Bondi’s performance during hearings:
"When she got to a Trump sensitive area, it was like a plane flying into the Bermuda Triangle and all the navs and comms went haywire..."
(04:32)
The discussion intensifies around Indivisible, a grassroots movement aiming to counteract Democratic policies.
Natalie Winters (08:02) elaborates on Indivisible’s strategies and their alignment with War Room’s tactics:
"These people are extremely organized, down to the point where they have itemized tables of how to best lobby and intimidate..."
(08:02)
Stephen K. Bannon (11:07) emphasizes the threat posed by Indivisible, likening their tactics to those used against Trump in 2021:
"They have identified McConnell's playbook from 2009... This is becoming the go-to spot."
(11:07)
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the U.S. economic crisis, focusing on national debt, inflation, and federal spending.
Cash Patel (15:00) highlights the dire economic forecasts:
"We're in a perfect storm as Social Security and Medicare hit a breaking point... national debt and rising cost of living..."
(15:00)
Stephen K. Bannon (16:39) advocates for gold as a hedge against economic turbulence:
"Gold is a safe haven in hard economic times... Protect your future and protect it today."
(16:39)
Pam Bondi (41:19) and Stephen K. Bannon (42:22) debate the root causes of inflation, with Bondi attributing it to excessive money printing:
"It's money printing. M2 is the amount of money in your economy... printing way too much money..."
(41:19)
"His preamble is the mantra of the war room is that at 36 trillion... this is as far as the eye can see."
(35:16)
The episode scrutinizes USAID’s role in governmental corruption and its impact on Republican lawmakers.
Pam Bondi (41:19) accuses USAID of nefarious activities and intimidation:
"Joni Ernst wrote article yesterday... USAID is threatening her... they work for her."
(41:19)
Stephen K. Bannon (43:53) reinforces the notion that USAID is central to governmental malfeasance:
"You are more involved in every aspect of your life... USAID has to get done..."
(43:53)
Stephen Bannon outlines strategic priorities for the Republican Party to reclaim control and address systemic issues.
Stephen K. Bannon (30:08) discusses the necessity of focusing on core issues rather than being distracted by peripheral concerns:
"Focus is power. Focus is superpower... We have to rank order what we have to do..."
(30:08)
Pam Bondi (40:25) emphasizes the urgency of addressing USAID corruption and economic decline:
"The House and the Senate have been letting this go on for 20 years... it's coming out."
(40:25)
The episode concludes with calls to action, encouraging listeners to participate in events and support Republican initiatives.
Stephen K. Bannon (46:08) promotes upcoming appearances and events:
"I'll be down there on Friday... we'll be doing the show from around Dallas Fort Worth area..."
(46:08)
Pam Bondi (50:34) underscores the importance of Judeo-Christian values in economic growth:
"Private property rights and the rule of law is helpful to economic growth... The Judeo Christian west... these ethics and values..."
(50:34)
Conclusion
Episode 4246 of Bannon's War Room provides a comprehensive examination of the current political and economic landscape, highlighting Democratic strategies to impede Republican initiatives, the rise of resistance movements like Indivisible, and the looming economic challenges posed by national debt and inflation. Through incisive discussions and strategic insights, Stephen K. Bannon and his guests outline a roadmap for addressing governmental corruption and steering the Republican Party toward reclaiming its influence.
Key Takeaways:
Notable Quotes:
Rachel Maddow (00:00):
"Democrats know they can't unilaterally stop Trump's nominees from getting confirmed in the Senate... they plan to make Republicans use up as much valuable floor time as possible."
(00:00)
Ezra Levin (01:07):
"I want to see the votes. I want to see the votes. And until we see those votes, I think what they're going to be hearing from their constituents is a demand that they fight back."
(01:07)
Pam Bondi (04:32):
"When she got to a Trump sensitive area, it was like a plane flying into the Bermuda Triangle and all the navs and comms went haywire..."
(04:32)
Stephen K. Bannon (16:39):
"Gold is a safe haven in hard economic times... Protect your future and protect it today."
(16:39)
Pam Bondi (41:19):
"It's money printing. M2 is the amount of money in your economy... printing way too much money..."
(41:19)
This episode serves as a clarion call for Republicans and their allies to address corruption within governmental structures, engage with constituents actively, and implement strategic economic reforms to navigate the country through its current crises.