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Episode 4255: WarRoom Takes On Harvard
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Stephen K. Bannon
And acts because accurate reporting has never been more important. We have spent the last week talking about usaid. It's a, it's a number one target for Donald Trump, for Elon Musk. Can we talk about where this war on USAID even came from?
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Peter Navarro
It's, it's crazy. So they didn't talk about this during the campaign. You didn't hear a word one about. Not one in. I read about this a couple of days ago in December. Joe Rogan has a guest on who's like a crazy right winger. Allegedly crazy, I guess I have to say, in this day and age, who is like a white nationalist, self proclaimed white nationalist influencer. And he goes on and talks all about how the Foreign Service and USAID in particular, it's a hive of criminality and he's a conspiracy theorist and who's listening to Rogan. That episode of Elon Musk, this is the first time that Elon has heard of usaid. He picks it up right away, starts tweeting about it and that's how it got here. Just this little line from Joe Rogan books this guest. Elon hears about it and now like you're saying, like millions of people are going to go without food and medicine because Rogan platformed a controversial thinker. Like I've.
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Jack Posobiec
And it's suddenly a criminal enterprise.
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Donald Trump
Quickly, to follow up on what Peter was asking, have you directed Elon Musk to review Pentagon spending, given the biggest.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Discretionary spending in the federal government?
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Jack Posobiec
Yes, Pentagon, education, just about everything we're going to go through everything just as it was so bad with what we just went through, with this horrible situation we just went through. And I guess 97% of the people have been dismissed. It was very, very unfortunate.
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Natalie Winters
You're not going to find anything like.
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Jack Posobiec
That, but you're going to find a lot. And I've instructed him to go check out education, to check out the Pentagon, which is the military.
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Natalie Winters
And you know, sadly, you'll find some.
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Jack Posobiec
Things that are pretty bad. But I don't think proportionately you're going to see anything like we just saw Breaking overnight.
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Donald Trump
Donald Trump says that he is cutting off President Biden's access to intelligence material. Trump said online that Biden did the same to him in 2021. I do want to point out that President Biden did so after January 6, when Donald Trump was facing scrutiny for his role in the Capitol insurrection. And speaking of the insurrection, the FBI has now turned over to the Trump Justice Department the actual names of all the agents who worked on January 6th cases. The Justice Department has agreed to not make the names public, but just temporarily.
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Natalie Winters
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Tom Homan
And where do people like that go.
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Jack Posobiec
To share the big lie?
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Donald Trump
MAGA Media.
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Tom Homan
I wish in my soul, I wish.
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Jack Posobiec
That any of these people had a conscience.
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Natalie Winters
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is the same, save my country, this country will be saved.
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Kimo Gandel
War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Jack Posobiec
It's Saturday, the 8th of February, year of our Lord 2025 year in the war Room on, I don't know, is it day 16 or 17 days of thunder. They're all blending together because every morning feels like Christmas morning. We just open up as many more executive actions, executive order legislation, or just things President Trump is doing. I want to bring in Jackson. We're jammed today. We're at Harvard in Harvard Square. More about that later. Very excited to be back here. Fantastic magazine here in their offices. Jack Posobec. First off, I want to set the record straight. And this talks about the work. The guy that was talking there, Stephanie Rule last night was, I think, the former or the current executive producer of Jon Stewart's the the Daily Show. Last night she had various people. This show is so important to watch because they're so crushed, they're so broken. They have no earthy idea because they were so arrogant that they never planned on. They never planned on actually being out of power and having the control of the institutions and institutional power. They're just wandering around. And here's the beauty of it. They have no resilience. Remember, in modern politics or in modern political movements, it comes down to, like, three things. It's authenticity, it's courage and grit, and it's resilience or it's courage and then resilience and grit. Resilience is key. They have no resilience right there. He totally misapplies what actually happened. And that was, you know, Mike Benz. He calls Mike Benz a white nationalist. Now, it's interesting. The artificial intelligence on the script takes out his smear of Mike Benz as a white nationalist, because Mike Benz is anything but a white nationalist. Mike Benz is one of the smartest guys around. That Joe Rogan episode. And you know, he went through USAID because he's been working on it with Darren Beatty and Raheem Gassam and Jack Bosovic for years. We've tried to get this out of spending on these authorization fights in the middle of night on Capitol Hill. And who were the people that voted for it constantly. Forget the Democrats, it was establishment Republicans over and over again. And the Paul Ryan's and people would never let people in to actually get into the math and see what's going on. That's what's so amazing about what Doge is doing with President Trump having their back. And then, you know, President Trump revoking Biden's and the reason is Biden's going to be under, you know, a major criminal investigation for this vast criminal conspiracy against President Trump. So when they say, well, he did nothing wrong and President Trump's insurrection, that's all absolutely a lie and not true. And of course, Kaitlan Collins, President Trump is now directed, ordered, instructed, you pick them Elon Musk to cross the Potomac. And let's get over. We're going to have some cuts March 14th and overnight this all the Democrats are talking about. They're going to shut Trump's government down on the 14th because there's nobody giving them any math. We have to have some cuts. By then, USAID should be at the top of the list. The consumer board, this, this thing that's been limiting credit to working class people got to be up there, too. Russ Vogt put in charge last night. Where do we stand on crossing the Potomac to go to the Pentagon, ripping away Biden's security clearance and probably most important, Mike Benz and all the laboring oars that for years and years and years went after usaid.
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Kimo Gandel
Well, Steve, thanks again for having me on. Congratulations on returning to your alma mater up there in Harvard. I must imagine that they haven't quite had their Dunkin Donuts yet. They don't realize that Steve's up there in Beantown because if they did, they'd be out with the, the pitchforks and torches trying to get him out of there, trying to run him out of town. But when it, when it comes down to it, folks, what President Trump has done, again, this has been part of the strategic political maneuver warfare that he has instituted since returning to office. What are the key elements of maneuver warfare? Speed, surprise, shock and awe. Showing up in places where the enemy does not expect, not frontal assaults, but going around and disrupting resources, disrupting supply chains. And by going after USAID specifically, as well as these other funded elements, internews and the various different verticals that come out under USAID that go out to foreign services that come back to the US because through the Internet there are no borders. So when you're funding one of these foreign liberal services for news or one of these platforms, of course it's going to be regurgitated back into the United States. And oh, they say, they could say we're, we're citing foreign reports or see we're not funded. Yeah, you're just citing the report. Nine out of 10 Ukrainian journalists are on these things. And so what they're, what they're realizing now is they're trying to pick up, they say, wait a minute, this guy Benz, hold on, he's a keynote here. So let's go after him, let's target him. All white nationalists, you know, not, not to dispute the fact that, by the way, oh, Mike Benz happens to be from a Jewish family, by the way. But you know, we're not going to mention that, same as Darren Beatty for that matter. But again, they're trying desperately to grasp for some kind of purchase here because the maneuver warfare is too strong for them. They don't have the ability to keep up with the breakneck speed that President Trump has established. And JD Vance has come out and said this is not out of the gate stuff. This is the new normal. Expect this every day for four years. It's not the first couple weeks of days of thunder. It is an entire term of days of thunder. The thunder will continue. And so looking at these different pieces, these different verticals, the USAID boom, you take away the resources from the mainstream media, you take away the enemy's ability to wage war. This is the key. The old Republicans remember, they sit there all, we're going to try to debunk you, we're going to argue with you, we're going to go back and forth and have this whole thing, mealy mouth, little words. But they're not going to pull the funding. Why? Because the dirty little secret is a lot of the neocon funding was also coming from the same pots of money and the great data Republican, go and follow her. Go and look at the tool that she's created that allows you for the first time ever, patriots and citizens to conduct keyword searches so you don't have to search just for specific programs. You can just look up a specific word at data Republican and find exactly where your money's going to. And it's not just USAID the way the system is set up, you can look at all federal grants. And so you take a step back from that now go look at the Department of Defense $900 billion budget that's over there with the money outlay is going all over the place. You got billions of dollars of equipment, as President Trump has said again and again, that's left on the battlefield of Afghanistan with the keys in the helicopter, hand over to the Taliban. And then they're going to come down on the soldier, they're going to come down on the E4. They're going to come down on the E4 mafia because, oh, you forgot to pay your receipt at Buffalo Watch Wild Wings with your, you know, with your, your credit card that was given to you for travel. It's a joke. It's a scam. What they've been running over there for a long time. Anyone who's been, go talk to any serious person who's been in the military. Ask anyone who's worn the uniform. You know, you know, if your hand is on that bible, that there is tons of waste, fraud and abuse that goes on over there. And it isn't even just with these outlays, the boondoggles that go on over there and the foreign money spent, the foreign military spending, plus the R and D budgets. And Steve, with these, with the R and D over there, I explained this a little bit with Brad yesterday, the way the Pentagon structures their R and D projects. So all the money that goes to Boeing, the money that goes to Lockheed. Go ask Nikki Haley about that. I wonder what she's up to right now. And you're required to have all of these DEI affirmative actions, okay? We have these racial quotas for this type of contractor. And you need the Eskimos here and you need Native Americans and disabled, disabled veterans here and this one there and that one there. And it gets to the point where you're spending so much money for a project that just doesn't work. Go look at the LCS project in the Navy, Go look at the Railgun project in the Navy. Failure after failure after failure. The F35 program, all the failures there, the MB22 Osprey program, the failures there, the accident rate are through the roof. Because why? Because we do not put excellence and greatness at the FOR anymore. And that's exactly what Secretary Hegseth has called for. It absolutely needs to apply to the distribution, the allocation and the contracting process of the dod.
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Jack Posobiec
This, you know, one has got to be a realignment of and it may be too quick to do this. But a realignment with hemispheric defense and the defense budget. But you got to start. You got to start now. You have to get a. You have to take a cut at this in. I want to go back to maneuver warfare. In maneuver warfare the key principle is do not stop, just continue on. Even anything to regroup or make it was offset by the enemy being in disarray. I saw on Stephanie Rule last night. They had three or four really smart thinkers there, including Ron and Sana from cnbc. They're absolutely totally confused. They don't know which way to go. They don't know what to focus on. They're starting to feel sorry for themselves. This is one you put more pedal, no brake. You keep going. Even if you're going to have some screw ups, right? Even if you're going to. Even if you think you need to slow down for logistics. We need more lawyers. We need more this. The answer is no. You just keep going. You pop up in another agency tomorrow, you go into the Pentagon and you flood the zone with. You flood the zone. You bring 100 of those programmers and get all over it. Jack, I know you got a bounce you're taking Saturday morning. Final thoughts, final thoughts on. On maneuver warfare and. And what you're seeing so far in Doge's assault on the institutions.
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Kimo Gandel
Well Steve, that's exactly what it's about. It's about continuing to fire on all fronts. It's about continuing to stupefy the enemy. It's about treating this as what it is. A hostile takeover of the American government away from people who do not have patriotism in their hearts and replacing it with people who love this country. It's as simple as that. Recognizing the political opposition for what they are and treating them by the way, the way that they have treated us for the last 12 years.
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Jack Posobiec
Jack Vasobic, Social media. I know you're going to be quite active over the weekend. Where do people will go?
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Kimo Gandel
Steve will be up at Jack Posobic on X. I will not be hosting human events daily next week are going to be out on assignment.
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Jack Posobiec
On assignment. That assignment I think is with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth part of it. Am I correct?
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Kimo Gandel
I will be accompanying Secretary Hegseth across Europe next week with the NATO summit and the Minister of Defense meeting in Brussels in Belgium. Brussels missiles.
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Jack Posobiec
Unbelievable. Jack Bosovic. You turned out okay. That naval thing kind of worked out for you. Naval Intelligence Officer Jack Bosovic working on. Fabulous. We're taking a short commercial break. Johnny Khan with American Heart, the anthem. The Tea Party is going to take us out. We're going to LA next on an ice raid that didn't happen in the war room.
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Natalie Winters
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Kimo Gandel
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
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Jack Posobiec
Okay, Days of Thunder, the big news yesterday, they are going to the Pentagon. Also last night in Axios in the Hill, they're starting to wake up because Hakeem Jeffries seized the leverage point here. You know, you got the all the 48 senators are down at the breakers in Palm Beach. That always sends a great signal. You know, you had these conferences and they're down at the Breakers. I mean, how much does that run a night? This is the whole mentality. The mentality is like, you know, the seven fat years are going to continue. Why do I mention this? Because Brad gets me. The CBO's got a report out. The ink's just getting dry in it. And the CBO report has projected. It talks about, you know, where we stand with the $2 trillion and they agree that war room is right. It's $2 trillion deficits. But then they project out. And remember, let's go back to Scott Bessant. Scott Bessen, Secretary of Treasury what he said, the key thing is you have to take right now we' six and a half percent, our deficit is six and a half percent of gdp. That is not sustainable. Obviously his objective is over a couple of years to get to 3% of GDP. And that's going to require a combination of, it's a supply side tax cut. It's going to require a combination of the tax cuts that President Trump are looking for to have growth and that growth, you know, to get to three, three and a half percent. But CBO projects growth for the next 10 years at 1.8%. At 1.8%. In fact, it takes mathematically around 3% to keep it full employment. Oh, by the way, the labor statistics last night as EJ And Tony went through on this show, the only one to mention it in five years, in five years, total net job growth, total net job growth, 100% has gone to foreigners, not native born US citizens. This is what the anger is. This is why people are so angry. Or do we have, do we have our White House correspondent? Hang on a second. Let's put a pin in this. I'm going to come back with a rant or two in a moment about the numbers getting out of control. But when I just said right there about five years of net job growth, 100% defined born. And of course the zero hedges all over this shows you a massive amount of that is not legal immigration here, quote unquote, legal immigration here. And either my favorite H1B visas or green cards or whatever you want to say as big a problem for that, a big balcom or illegal alien labor. And what has that done that has crushed the economics of African American and Hispanic citizens in this country and that's why Donald Trump is back in office. Now the one way to do this is that we have to, you know, get rid of the criminals and all that. And people, the million people have deportation notices. But already the embeds and the media, they understand if they can get ahead of what Homan's trying to do, we're going to have a bigger problem trying to get this. They're going to have optics they think win for them and this whole thing is going to get slowed down. That's their objective. That's the resistance. We're going to go to Natalie Winters. And Natalie, why don't we tee up, we got a clip to play for you. Why don't you tee up what's going to be in the clip and then we'll play it.
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Peter Navarro
Sure.
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Tom Homan
Well, the mainstream media in concert with these far left NGOs are actively working to sabotage President Trump's mass deportation agenda. And we're seeing this pattern replicate in state after state, city after city and raid after raid. Tom Homan made new yesterday. He was speaking on Fox talking about how raid out in Colorado had been actively sabotaged by someone who essentially preemptively leaked information about an ICE raid. They were going to go on to get several trend Uragua members. Instead, they were only able to nab one. I think this sort of goes back to that infamous Wall Street Journal article that you were talking about, Steve, prior to President Trump being sworn in. Right, where they were sort of leaking, if not doxing preemptively, not from White House sources, but from likely these far left activist types, like I said, working in collaboration with mainstream media outlets. We can play that clip. But just to contextualize, it's not just happening in Colorado. There's also a big LA Times piece coming out this weekend, which I'd love to just read a quote from if you want to talk about sabotage. Quote, federal law enforcement agents are planning to carry out a large scale immigration enforcement action in the Los Angeles area before the end of February, according to an internal government document reviewed by the Times. I've never seen something that accounts to treason but buried lead in that article. Here's a quote, speaking with an official from ice. Just because certain information is being given doesn't mean it's the administration's plan because they know some agents are going to be resistant.
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Jack Posobiec
This is what that's stunning. I mean, somebody inside of DHS or Tom Holman's group or whatever what you call the embeds, actually gave the report, gave the plan. This is what happened in Chicago. They're giving the plans to the media in advance. The media publishes them, then the rate is canceled. Let's go ahead. If Denver we go, let's play the clip and we'll bring our White House correspondent Natalie back in.
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Donald Trump
Have so many questions. First of all, if they're shouting and helping these people get away with bullhorns, how is that legal to get help from the people in the streets? I know they can protest, but that's not what they're doing.
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H
You're exactly right. When they come to the cross line of impediment, and that's why I'm working very close starting this morning with Department of Justice. And where do they cross that line of impediment? So they may find themselves in a pair of handcuffs very soon. So working with DOJ on that. Get some legal guidance on that. I'm not an attorney. I know what SecOps is about. I know what crossing that line is. But getting DOJ back up on that, so we're looking at right now, Harris, we're not going to tolerate anymore. This is not a game when we show up these sites. This is a dangerous job for the men and women of ICE and Border Patrol and all the DOJ agencies. To have this type of interference puts our officer at great risk. Not only the officers, it puts the aliens at great risk because anything can happen when we take our eyes off the goal here. So we're addressing that immediately today. I'm addressing OPSEC today, operational security, how these leaks are happening. We've already identified how this operation got leaked. I'll deal with that.
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Jack Posobiec
Okay, that's Homan right there. The New York Post is reporting that there have been 11,000 in these raids so far. 11,000 of the bad hombres have been, have been rolled up. I know President Trump. What I'm hearing coming out of the White House is that he wants bigger numbers and he wants bigger numbers faster. This is why they brought Gitmo online. They have a huge problem with the logistics. They have a huge problem with money and cash. That's one of the reasons they're talking about the two reconciliations as we recommended from day one. What are you hearing over at the White House, Natalie? About what? The staff who are doing a great job over there. But what is the word of how Kristi Noem and Tom Holman and Stephen Miller are going to get more support?
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Tom Homan
Yeah, well, we certainly need to add a few zeros to that. The sort of line that they're running with is that there's just a lack of detention facilities. They don't have the adequate space. I think this dovetails not only with what the Biden regime did, but sort of the lobbying effort that we've seen being mounted from the kind of left wing resistance groups, particularly the aclu. I think the logical question after that Tom Homan clip is, you know, who was behind sabotaging that raid? And like I said, in states all across the country, for example, in South Carolina, there's a picture we can put on screen. It's the pink scheduling graphic. But groups like the Democratic Socialists for America, in concert with more mainstream Democratic Party type groups, are actively planning efforts to sabotage ICE raids. You can can see that it's sort of a know your rights campaign. The South Carolina AG has stepped in and sort of threatened them. But this is, I Think sort of a, shall we say, I think, growing sentiment among the left that they can sort of step in and have agency and get in the way and block President Trump's deportations. The nation had a long form peace today. Think there's nothing you can do to stop ice? Think again. They talk about preparation. Resistance begins long before ICE agents arrive. Legal organizations and advocacy groups must aggressively promote know your rights education. I was actually walking around in D.C. yesterday and I stumbled upon one of these flyers. It says, do not open for ICE Denver. You can also put on screen the deportation defense manual along with sort of, like I said, these know your rights campaigns, but they're pretty aggressive. It's not just saying, you know, lie to ICE or don't open the door. They're saying actively, like, lie about your immigration status, conceal your identity. If they are knocking at your door, even if you're a criminal, you don't have to comply. Fun fact, the group that created that document on screen has received over $16 million in federal grants. So you want to talk about USAID and everything that's been going on there. So many of these NGOs are funded by taxpayer dollars. But moreover, Steve, the issue too, I think here, it's not just these far left groups. It's really the mainstream media that's amplifying, right? Without they're putting gasoline on the fire. To that point. The fcc, I believe, is opening an investigation or at least probing a radio station out in California in the San Jose area that actively doxed ICE agents, their cars, their license plate, the makes, the models in a radio segment owned by Odyssey, which is a George Soros controlled network, just about a week ago. Luckily, the fcc, like I said, is stepping in and potentially investigating it. But I have another clip. I don't know how we're doing on time, but I would like to play it msnbc, highlighting that same group that created that deportation defense manual. And like I said, that deportation defense manual trains illegals how to avoid ice.
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Jack Posobiec
Can we play the MSNBC clip? Do we have time for it? Let's hold for the. Let's hold for the. Let's hold for a second. We'll do it after a break. I think your furniture's arrived, Natalie. If I hear the knocking on the door, is that Natalie says I can do a hit this morning. I can do a hit somewhere. I got to do it for my home studio because I got a furniture. People should know she's taking this White House correspondent thing very seriously. She's moved back from L A. She's now in now in D.C. natalie, hang over a sec.
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Tom Homan
Do what say furniture delivery than an ice agent.
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Jack Posobiec
Exactly. I tell you what, we're gonna play the MSNBC clip on the on the other side. Birch Golden Like I said yesterday, Dave Brat was able to put up the initial part of this of the cbo. That's Congressional Budget Office. And look, the Congressional Budget Office's numbers are never actually we disagree. They have synced dynamic scoring or non dynamic scoring. So there may be on the margins some differences. Bottom line, by 2035, $52 trillion in debt, $2 trillion a year debt, deficits in perpetuity. Essentially what they're saying. And obviously that is something we're going to fight. Where you got to fight it. March 14th. The clock is ticking. And Johnson and this crowd know that Hakeem Jeffries going to try to block it. So this is why we get a first cut. First cut of usaid, first cut of what Doge has found. First cut even though at the Pentagon because capital markets are going to be quite turbulent now more than ever. You need to go find out why gold has been a hedge for 5,000 years of financial turbulence. A little pattern recognition there. Birchgold.com Bannon the end of the dollar empire. The latest free installment modern monetary theory.
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Natalie Winters
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Tom Homan
A different beast than Trump 1.0.
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Jack Posobiec
But people know their rights now more than ever. And we will build towns and cities.
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Donald Trump
We will build fortresses of resistance.
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Jack Posobiec
So I'm going to paint the scene. Karina's in her home. She doesn't have a keyhole, but she does have a window. The door does have a lock. And there is nobody in the home that has a deportation order. So Coneso. Tak tac. Nice. Tak tac. Natalie Winters rejoins us. The furniture arrived. Natalie, thanks for being. Thanks for being. It's a lot tougher doing from the home studio than the White House is. See, your new gig is much easier.
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Tom Homan
Getting a furniture delivery.
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Jack Posobiec
As many mean girls over there. As many mean girls over there picking on you. What are we seeing right here? I don't have a problem if people are getting schooled. I have a problem if they're interfering with raids. I also have a problem with if you're an illegal alien. Exactly what your rights packages are. Is MSNBC trying to stir this up or is the media being actually to actually get in the way of law enforcement? We know that Pritzker in Illinois and Johnson. And so for me, instead of going there and getting those people's faces, I'd go start arresting officials. California, just last night, your beloved California passed $50 million principally to thwart federal officials from coming in to actually do ICE raids and actually remove illegal alien criminals and illegal aliens. And my point is that, hey, Palisades, suck on this. You shouldn't get a penny until that law is rescinded and that California is reverse sanctuary cities and working with federal officials to remove illegal alien invaders. Ma'am, your thoughts?
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Tom Homan
Well, that mindset shows you the problem right there. I mean, since President Trump had won the election, Gavin Newsom had been plotting, like you said, $50 million for their state DOJ, I believe half of it being itemized to actually block the deportations, the other half to sort of try to be a guidebook and sort of a blueprint for other states to resist the Trump agenda. But, Steve, I think there's another layer to it as well that a lot of these groups that are involved in the resistance efforts are receiving taxpayer dollars. Right. Obviously, DHS has slow rolled and frozen some of the taxpayer funds that are going to these entities, but they still have sizable war chests, not just from the four years of the Biden regime, but you can see that group in particular, Steve. And I think it's important to note, right, the first wave of deportations, at least as sort of messaged by the Trump White House and the media has been, we're just going after criminals. Yes, obviously we need to expand that. But any deportation efforts that these groups are trying to block, right now they're trying to block the deportations of criminal illegal aliens. Right. And like I said, the information that we flashed on screen, this is very detailed in terms of questions and statements and answers. You can see their role playing, what to do if an ICE agent comes to your door. This is extremely well funded.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah. No, this is not just giving information. That's training right there. There's no doubt about it. Natalie, we'll let you go about your chores. On a Saturday morning, Fabulous couple of weeks at the White House as a correspondent breaking all kind of news and particularly looking at the response to Days of Thunders. If you get a chance, make sure you look at the Stephanie rule last night, because these are broken people. They don't have resilience. They have nowhere. They've always controlled the levers of institutional power. And once you take that, once you strip it away from them, they have absolutely nothing to stand on, including making an argument to the American people why President Trump should be slowed down. He's not going to be slowed down. Natalie, your social media so people can get you over the weekend.
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Tom Homan
Yes. The emperor has no clothes. Natalie G. Winters on all social media platforms. Thank you for having me on, Steve.
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Jack Posobiec
Natalie, thanks. See you on Monday. Natalie Winters, our White House correspondent. Fascinating couple of weeks. Very honored to be here. Can we get you one of. Can we get the shot? Is the shot good? Is the shot good Right there? Can we broaden that shot? There we go, right there. The victim is identified. We're sitting here at Harvard. We got Kimo Gandel, a student over at Harvard Law School, right?
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Donald Trump
Yes.
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Jack Posobiec
Why are you so brave to come on the board room on a Saturday morning? Chemo. Tell me, at Harvard Law, what are you studying? What year are you? And so we're gonna dox chemo here on television. And where do you come from? How'd you end up in Harvard?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, so I'm a 3L at Harvard. Kind of ended up there because I was working 3L 3L. Third year.
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Jack Posobiec
Third year law school.
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Donald Trump
Yeah. About to graduate.
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Jack Posobiec
Paper chase. That's first year law.
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Donald Trump
Yes, correct.
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Jack Posobiec
So third year, you're more in your. You've already thrown up in the. When you've been. Cold called the first time.
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Donald Trump
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cold calling. You know, not. Not too much of a big deal, in my opinion. You know, from a very practical standpoint, it's not graded, usually with the exception of a few professors. So does it matter? I think it's mostly a pride thing. They're trying to tear down students so they can build Them back up. It's almost like a military exercise or.
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Jack Posobiec
Blake boot camp, right?
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Donald Trump
Precisely.
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Jack Posobiec
Is paper chase accurate? I mean, not the stuff about the daughter and everything like that, but is Houseman's amazing professor, which he won the Academy Award for, is that. Was it Kingsbury?
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Donald Trump
Yeah. Yeah.
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Jack Posobiec
Is that an actual accurate portrayal?
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Donald Trump
I think it is an accurate portrayal. You know, I can't go into specifics because Harvard has a non attribution policy, but yes, I do think it's accurate and I think that's actually a good thing. I think we need to rub out the snowflakes from the law. People need to actually understand what they're talking about and be able to articulate the case law. And if they can't, they should get out.
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Jack Posobiec
And that's contract law, right?
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Donald Trump
Correct.
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Jack Posobiec
Contract law is the foundation of kind of everything at Harvard.
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Donald Trump
Yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, that's an edgy opinion. Some people think torts is the basis of law. I do agree, though, most law, especially in the modern sense, is adjudicated through contract.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, tell me about your experience here and particularly being a conservative. And people tell me you're actually. You're actually pretty maga.
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Donald Trump
Yeah. Oh, I'm very maga.
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Jack Posobiec
Are you MAGA at Harvard?
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Donald Trump
Well, I always openly talk about my opinions and most of my colleagues are. You know, they're very cordial about it or they just don't have the willpower to confront me on it. You know, a lot on the left, they're spiritually weak. They don't have any direction. That's kind of the essence of existentialism, right? You have to define it all for yourself.
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Jack Posobiec
What do you mean, spiritually weak?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, they have no direct opinions about the meaning of life. They're just kind of aimless. And that is one problem that confronts a postmodern. I would call areligious. Sometimes they delve into paganistic or pseudo religious sentiment, but they have no actual direction and a higher good, which is what the natural law calls us to.
- [36:52]
Jack Posobiec
How did you get into Harvard? Did they have a screen? Is the screening process here broken down? Seriously?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, no, I was very.
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Jack Posobiec
Did they actually have folks like you?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, I was very upfront about what I believed. I've never tried to hide it. You know, you can look at my name.
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Jack Posobiec
You walk around here with security.
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Donald Trump
No, I don't, but maybe I should. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, a lot of these people, they're either decent in that they are just misled or they're just spiritually weak and they don't confront you. And that's the entire reason we're seeing such a massive shift in the law, especially towards artificial intelligence, is it's able to provide articulated answers and you don't have to pay these people's billables, which are ridiculous. $1200 an hour for somebody to read a case. That's what we're looking at. And that's why the transformation's begun.
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Jack Posobiec
Hang on for a second. Because, you know, we're the home of the Luddites. We're the anti transhumanists. What do you mean about. I keep telling people, hey, it's not going to be blue collar jobs. The first wave is going to be administrative managerial in mid tech is one of the many, many reasons I'm so against H1B visas. But give your experience as a person, Harvard Law, third year. You're looking to go into the job market. Talk to me about artificial intelligence, even for a guy in your situation.
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Donald Trump
Yeah, yeah. So great question. In fact, I love the shows take on that because it confronts kind of the incidental versus intrinsic problem with artificial intelligence. I think what you've pointed out is a lot of the current companies that control the large language models practice objectively evil standards. So they're adamantly against the president, they're adamantly opposed to the natural law, and they will actively censor those opinions. Now they've rolled it back a bit simply because the positions of power have changed. But you could bet that if Kamala Harris won the presidency, we would see much stronger security features with large language models, like OpenAI with Sam Altman. And it's kind of a sad world we live in.
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Jack Posobiec
Slow down for a second. Hang on. Explain that. I just want to make sure the audience understands this. Hit rewind and give me that again.
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Donald Trump
Yeah, so a lot of these large language models have security features built into them, either through reinforcement training or actually how 01 and 03 works with OpenAI. They're different models is they actually re prompt it. So when your call goes in your query, right. You type something into the chatbot, they will actually re prompt it on their end. And that allows them to give a safe answer. It's also how when you ask chatgpt something, it'll often say, sorry, I can't give you an answer for that.
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Jack Posobiec
This is how if you type in on on deep seek and talk about Tiananmen Square, it comes up and gives you some. It's a Beautiful day on 4June in Beijing. Correct?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, no, exactly. Deep seek. It's kind of a scary world where Mark Zuckerberg is kind of our height of open sourced software for large language models.
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Jack Posobiec
Mark Zuckerberg, I might add, was right over here in the houses, what are called dorms, what the dorms are called here at Harvard. Is he not? His ethical and moral training came from Harvard, did it not, sir?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, it definitely. Well, at least the undergrad school, I like to think at the law school we have some higher standards of ethics. Maybe not though. Actually we've seen a lot of terrible things come out of that school as well, but also great things. And so what I think when it comes down to ethics, right. The problem with the intelligentsia in this country is that they are generally existentially led. And I do think our generations being.
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Jack Posobiec
What does that mean, existentially led?
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Donald Trump
They see as a function of their pride. They try to define the world in their image, which is what you talked about, these transhumanists. Right. Transhumanism is the essence of pride because it's an attempt to reconstruct God's world in your own image. It's an attempt to be God. And that's really been the epitome of postmodern Western ideals, which is to spite God. This is very different from what we might see in the East. You know, even if you go back as far as Confucius Analects, Right. It's more about order and domination and habitual conduct. This is very different from what we see in the west. And it's part of what makes the west great, but it's also part of what makes the west so susceptible to these demonic influences.
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Jack Posobiec
Do you have in Harvard, do you have either the coffee shops or in the dorms or the housing units or in the classrooms? Do you have these type of debates, open debates about this? Can you have that?
- [41:17]
Donald Trump
Absolutely. I try to talk to my classmates all the time about demonic influence in the judiciary, but that's a joke. That's a joke. I'm not actually claiming my opponents believe that, but yeah, we have these debates all the time. And it's you. If you're just upfront with people, I think they respect that we now live in a world with so much noise, partially created by AI, partially created just by social media, that people really respect honesty. And so when you're honest and you're polite and you're cordial to people, you can change opinions.
- [41:46]
Jack Posobiec
Kimo, as we go through Days of Thunder and we had the Stephanie rule at the beginning up about. The guys last night are totally shattered. It looks like they're depending. In fact, half the show is talking about the courts. And you have federal judges yesterday include some we know very well, some Trump appointees that people associate the show worked on, their confirmation actually start to slow down the process. What's your takeaway from that?
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Donald Trump
Yeah. So without diving into the cases themselves, there's this general sentiment amongst the intelligentsia to slow things down, and there's some reason for that. Now, part of it's pride, part of it is a belief that you're so important it needs to go through your own review. Part of that is also just their ideology because the intelligentsia is so obsessed with looking at tiny, small details, they forget to look at the larger picture.
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Jack Posobiec
Kimo, any social media, we're going to have you back on. I'm going to roll some other guests that were in Harvard Square today. So we got some. A great conference going on. Salient magazine is helping one of the people helping put this on. We'll talk about the magazine a little more in the second hour. Any social media that you have.
- [42:52]
Donald Trump
Yeah, look me up on LinkedIn or Twitter. Kimogandil. You can find me anywhere. And I'm actively posting on the conservative movement and artificial intelligence.
- [43:02]
Jack Posobiec
So expect to be swamped today after Media Matters puts his clip up in a little while.
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Donald Trump
I love it. I love it. Love to talk to them, too. Let's.
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Jack Posobiec
We love warriors. We love warriors. Big article in the Hill newspaper this morning. What is about President Trump's tariffs and specifically about active pharmaceutical ingredients in generics. We've talked a couple, three times about this on this show. They're going to be hit with tariffs. So as it. That's okay. Chemo gets it due to the effort. That's. That's fine. We're good. No, no, no, we're good. We're good. Natalie had a furniture delivery. My producer just gave Chemo the hook. Jace Medical. Maybe I'll finish this in the next segment. Short break. Back in a moment.
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Kimo Gandel
Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Jack Posobiec
Okay, welcome back. Honored to be with Professor Amy Wax, by the way, I'm telling our producer he cannot give her the hook. She's here for the whole segment. Back off there, Harry. We're here in Harvard Square. Professor Amy Wax, I'm a huge fan and have wanted to do this for so long. Talk to me. First off, why are you here at a conference talking to young students at Harvard today?
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, because what's more important than young people to the future of our country? And I see in academia complete indifference to that future, to young people, to responsibilities towards those young people, to expose them to the truth, to reality, however unpleasant that might be. I see Darrell in that duty. And more broadly, as a conservative, I believe in Edmund Burke's covenant, which is that because we have inherited wonderful, lasting, valuable institutions from the past and from the struggles and sacrifices of the past, we have a duty to preserve, protect and defend them and then pass them on to the next generation.
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Jack Posobiec
You say dictum, we owe as much to those that came before us as we owe to future generations. And we honor that by passing on these institutions in better shape and making sure we pass them on with their original intent.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Precisely. Precisely. And I think, are we not doing.
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Jack Posobiec
That in the United States of America?
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Stephen K. Bannon
We absolutely are not.
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Jack Posobiec
What do you mean by that?
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, first of all, we are degrading and debasing the institutions of Western civilization, actively denigrating them and running them down. I think in many ways that are just plain false. And we are teaching our children and our young people that what we enjoy every day, the privileges and the benefits that we enjoy every day, are somehow ill gotten gains. They are the product of exploitation and persecution and racism and all of these evil forces. And that is a lie. So we shouldn't be doing that because it causes them to have a heedless attitude towards all of the goods that they have inherited. So I think that's very wrong. Secondly, I see in my fellow Academics an unwillingness to go up again. The powers that be and some of their destructive and nefarious ideas and programs like dei, which, you know, denigrates the meritocracy, which creates a lax atmosphere that results in incompetence, which discriminates against white males, which valorizes identity politics and diversity over and above other important values. And they won't speak up about it, even though many of them behind closed doors have their doubts and don't even support and approve of this kind of thing. So it's a kind of cowardice. And of course, who suffers from that cowardice? The people who are coming after us.
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Jack Posobiec
See, hang on for a second. You've been in academia at top universities, University of Virginia, University of Pennsylvania for 30 some years. Years. How did this happen? Those are two of the leading institutions in this country, founded by some of the great, you know, Thomas Jefferson at uva, the University of Pennsylvania, you know, the fantastic people of Pennsylvania that formed that in Philadelphia. How did these two leading institutions deteriorate so badly?
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, I mean, it happened gradually and as Hemingway says, then suddenly. And it's because that the far left has created a stronghold in these institutions and it has drawn up the ladders and consolidated its power. And the belief. And that belief system is very far removed from most ordinary people and of course, the interests of those ordinary people. Although elites profess to care about them, they don't really care about.
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Jack Posobiec
What do you mean by that? They don't care? That's all phony.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I think it's largely phony. You can just look around you in Cambridge and see this sort of posh, refined, beautiful place that elite people have created for themselves. Go 30 miles to the west of Philadelphia, outside my home, and you'll see squalor, decrepitude, lack of law and order, a paucity of nice things. And everybody wants nice things. But I think it's more than that. It's an ideology that the left has cultivated in these universities. And in the debate last night that the salient held, one of the students said it. Well, he said the two pillars of the far left are, number one, self fashioning. We reject all obligations and duties that are unchosen. We will choose and we will create ourselves. We shall be as gods. And secondly, this obsession with equality of outcome, which of course is the centerpiece of what we know as woke. And we will by hook and by crook force people to accept that ideology and to live that ideology while we largely exempt ourselves from it. And here I'm going to cite Charles Murray, in Coming Apart, which is a brilliant and magisterial book, he has shown how the elites have separated themselves from the rest of society, the top 20%, geographically, culturally, educationally, in where they live. Very important. They live in the fastness of their little whitopias while they tout diversity for everybody else. So there's a lot of double standards and duplicity here, which the masses understand.
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Jack Posobiec
We have about 90 seconds. Any recommendations to President Trump in his days of thunder? Have you seen the direction where he's headed? What would you tell the President if he was here this morning?
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Stephen K. Bannon
Defund academia. We have title six of the Civil Rights act, which makes the receipt of federal funds in private institutions like my own contingent on obeying the law, not discriminating, obeying the civil rights laws. Those laws are violated every day in every way. And Trump would have ample justification to cut off those institutions and ask them to prove that they deserve all this money. Penn gets 900 plus million dollars a year in loans, in grants, in other programmatic funding. They are rich enough to fund themselves until they prove that they are obeying the law.
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Jack Posobiec
Defund them. That's the mother's milk of these, of these posh universities. Defund them, play hardball. Make them, make them start focusing on Western civilization.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Nothing else will get their attention.
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Jack Posobiec
Professor Amy Wax, we're going to take, we're going to leave with the right stuff from the class classic movie by Philip Kaufman. I think Professor Amy Wax has got the right stuff and she knows it when she sees it. Short commercial break. Back for the second hour of the War Room from Harvard Square. Just a moment.
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