
Episode 4256: WarRoom Takes On Harvard Cont. Bringing The Fight Home ...
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Pam Bondi
Of Pam Bondi announcing the creation of.
Stephen K. Bannon
A weaponization working group. Right. That includes a list of three prosecutors.
Pam Bondi
Who, who brought cases against Donald Trump.
Stephen K. Bannon
Right. Jack Smith, Letitia James, and Alvin Bragg. This.
Sam Delmer
This is their.
Stephen K. Bannon
That's their target. While at the same time, the new U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia is saying he will weaponize his office.
Pam Bondi
On behalf of Elon Musk, promising an.
Stephen K. Bannon
Inquiry into people referred to his office.
Pam Bondi
By Musk and saying he will investigate them and will chase them to the.
Stephen K. Bannon
End of the earth. I guess, you know, one person's weaponization is another person's weaponization.
Michael
I mean, yes, the irony is not lost on me. And there's a portion of that letter that you were just reading from. You and I are having a mind meld here, Michael, because I was looking at that letter earlier today, and there's a portion of that letter that really is chilling that I want to read to you and our viewers. Because before he says he's going to chase them to the end of the earth and investigate them, he says if people are discovered to have broken the law or even acted unethically, we will investigate them. I don't know when it became the role of a U.S. attorney for any office in the country to prosecute people for merely unethical actions. The whole point of a federal prosecutor's office is to investigate and discover violations of existing federal federal law and to prosecute those. And obviously there is some discretion in where you use those resources. But this is an administration that keeps telling us that in the District of Columbia, there's all sorts of violent crime that has been unaddressed because that office misdirected its resources to the prosecution of January six cases. And now you have Ed Martin very publicly saying, it's my job to protect Doge from all these terrible bureaucrats. It's really incomprehensible to me.
Carla Sands
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
Stephen K. Bannon
Reasons I got a free shot on.
Carla Sands
All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
Ben Harnwell
And where do people like that go.
Stephen K. Bannon
To share the big lie? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Carla Sands
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Stephen K. Bannon
War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. As you see right there, total complete meltdown on MSNBC because of days of thunder. Also the signal, not the noise. As people like Pam Bondi. This is why the confirmations are so important. This is why you're going to fix bayonets to make sure that we get President Trump's cabinet in there. As soon as Russ Vogt shows up to omb, of course, he was named also the interim head. Scott Bessant had it for a couple days. Russ was named the interim head of the Consumer Finance Bureau, which is also going to be shut down like usaid. Things start to happen. Pam Bondi, they're all over her. She's signing edicts every day. She's signing executive orders every day. She's cleaning up. And they're about to begin the investigation. The vast criminal conspiracy against. Against President Trump here today. Just saw Amy Wax and you had, you had Kimo Gandal from Harvard. We're here at Harvard Square today. We're going to be talking at a conference later today. Want to introduce another one of the law students, Sam Delmer. Sam, thank you for joining us.
Sam Delmer
Of course. Thank you for having me.
Stephen K. Bannon
What's it like being a conservative at Harvard?
Sam Delmer
It's a little bit tough, Steve. I remember my first week I was there, we were talking about hobbies. I said I was a person of faith, and then suddenly almost two thirds of the class wouldn't talk to me at all. And I think this would not talk.
Stephen K. Bannon
To you after you said that.
Sam Delmer
Yeah. Not talk to me at all. They'd avoid eye contact. Wouldn't even would.
Stephen K. Bannon
This is your first year at Harvard Law?
Sam Delmer
First year at Harvard Law.
Stephen K. Bannon
They just thought you were some sort of kook.
Sam Delmer
Yeah, I guess because I went to mass regularly and prayed every day. I'm a religious bigot, you know, so this, I mean, yeah, they're really crazy. But the real thing that has been great at Harvard Law is that we have formed like a core group of people who are like a brother, like a brotherhood almost there. We've really worked to create institutions that are truly conservative, not just milquetoast conservative. I think this is really where being a conservative has been something that talk to me.
Stephen K. Bannon
What do you mean milquetoast conservative? Because we've dealt with the. In fact, I tell people the USAID situation, this is why Mike Benz was so powerful going on Joe Rogan. For a decade or longer, people have fought that, investigated it. Every time we came close to taking it apart, it was the rhinos that either refused to allow investigations to go forward. Paul Ryan shut this whole thing down for years and years and years. I mean, we've seen it in the Capitol nonstop. Is still one of the biggest problems in the conservative movement. How does it manifest itself in a place like Harvard?
Sam Delmer
Yeah, at Harvard Law, it manifests itself through the unknowing libertarian. So there are a lot of people who are, I think, libertarian, and they have real, like, libertarian beliefs. They're really educated. They know about, like, how to dismantle the government. They really believe in it. What you get at Harvard Law is the milquetoast libertarian. And these people will say that they're legal conservatives. They'll say that they believe in originalism, for example. But then when it comes to who they vote for politically, they vote for Kamala Harris. They vote for how they justify that. Well, I think they say, is it.
Stephen K. Bannon
Just cowardice and so much pressure? The reason that guys like you and Kimo are so amazing is. Is the courage it takes on an Ivy League campus, particularly Harvard, to actually put forward your conservative or your religious beliefs?
Sam Delmer
Yeah, I think. I think the reason why is not just cowardice, but I think that they really don't even believe in the project of conservatism. I think right now you have a lot of grift in conservatism. I think conservatism is ascendant. I think this country is revolting against no radical leftist policies. And I think that what this means is that there's, you know, people who support those policies are seeing the tide is turning and they want to get in on the power that is shifting towards the right.
Stephen K. Bannon
You can actually see the grift on that in a smaller scale at Harvard. That is one of the biggest problems we have with conservative ink overall, particularly in the imperial capital.
Sam Delmer
Oh, you can see it. You can see it so clearly. You can see it even clearer at Harvard because so many people there care. Harvard Law is a professional school. So people only care about.
Stephen K. Bannon
It's a trade school. You're getting your union card, right?
Sam Delmer
Yeah, exactly.
Stephen K. Bannon
Ticket punched, right? So so and so many people are concerned about their careers. Isn't that a legitimate concern? Because you like your first day of class when you talked about your faith, you are othered immediately. If people are here that say, hey, I got to pay this huge loan I've got off of going to Harvard Law, is that a justification for them to say, I'll just go along to get along?
Sam Delmer
I think it is. If we true conservatives don't do the work to actually exclude those people from the movement. If they aren't willing to actually take risks to support us, you know, if we let them in, regardless of what they said, if they say their pronouns in class and we let them, you know, run. Run our organizations, then we deserve to be ruled by those people. But we really need to do the work to exclude people.
Stephen K. Bannon
Tell us about yourself. Where are you from? Where'd you go? School, Family?
Sam Delmer
Yeah, I'm from San Antonio, Texas. I went to Notre Dame undergrad.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. Did you. You went to Notre Dame after it was a Catholic college, right?
Sam Delmer
Yes. Yeah.
Stephen K. Bannon
How do you. I mean, Notre Dame, isn't that the. I love rooted for the football team since I was, you know, two years old. But isn't it now the kind of one of the, like Georgetown, one of the hearts of progressivism in the country?
Sam Delmer
Yeah, I mean, it's definitely turned that way. And I think you see this with, you know, they took down the Columbus murals at Notre Dame a few years ago. They have stopped really enforcing any of the social norms. The theology classes are sometimes kind of a joke. I think there's still good pockets of people at Notre Dame, but, you know, it's not. It's sort of a lack of faith in their own institution.
Stephen K. Bannon
Right.
Sam Delmer
They don't really believe that they're right anymore. And so it seems like they kind of make it a liberal arts school just like every other one.
Stephen K. Bannon
We talk about conservatism and maybe MAGA being ascended. Is that looking at the outside world and you see it through elections, are you getting a feel that things are starting to even shift at arguably, you know, the most elite of all the Ivy League schools?
Sam Delmer
Yeah, I think the things are certainly starting to shift. What we're seeing really a lot is the younger people are getting more and more maga. This is really amazing. And what it means is that, you know, institutions that were previously kind of milquetoast, like Fedsoc, are getting more and more conservative. You know, maybe not, maybe not at everywhere, but at least at Harvard Law School we've been seeing this appreciably happen.
Stephen K. Bannon
Talk about the Federalist Society because for years. And you say milquetoast that behind the scenes a lot of people, the Mike Davis's and other people and Federal Society has done such an amazing job of getting these judges, et cetera, helping out through the years. But you hear the chatter a lot that it's gotten milquetoast. When you say that Federalist Society particularly Being a law school, which it used to be the premier conservative movement. What do you mean by that?
Sam Delmer
Yeah, I think it means what I was talking about earlier with the, you know, originalism, just caring about originalism or textualism instead of actually being about political conservatism. I think it's easier to be just an originalist. You know, you don't get as much flack from students, but, you know, if you are only that and then you get to the Supreme Court, suddenly you have. You've not bought into the values. You haven't been trained as a conservative. You don't know the real sort of intellectual tradition that that comes from. And I think that allows you to really squish on some of the key points and not really hold firm when, when we really need you to.
Stephen K. Bannon
What do you think that at the college, at the undergraduate level is starting to shift or just in the professional schools like the law school, and obviously the business school is much more cutthroat, capitalist. Right. Do you think it's, do you think it's changing just in the graduate schools, the trade schools, what I call them, or is it happening at the college level also?
Sam Delmer
I think it's also happening at the college level. Some of my friends run a debate society in the undergrad called the John Adams Society. And they, I've seen them over the past three years become, you know, sort of libertarian, conservative, kind of normie con, maybe 2015, to become really, really MAGA. And like, even the new freshmen who are coming in are really maga. They get formed in maga and the stuff they read is completely different. They used to read like Russell Kirk, you know, and now they read a lot more, you know, they read Pat Buchanan. And so I think that shift is really, really good for us.
Stephen K. Bannon
When you talk about maga, what is your definition of MAGA as you see it, from Harvard Law School at a top Ivy League college?
Sam Delmer
Yeah, I guess, I guess. My, I'm personally a. I really like Pat Buchanan. That's. And I think a lot of paleo con. A paleo con.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yes, we love Pat Buchanan.
Sam Delmer
Yeah, he's. He's really amazing. But I think MAGA is a bit broader than that. I think MAGA is just a belief that the right is okay. It's sort of like a no enemies to the right view. And I think the idea is that we're trying to create a vanguard that will continue to push things to the right. Right. And I think that that is what. What MAGA is all about. We're trying to continue to open up the Overton window on the right so we can have actual intellectual discussions and figure out the problems that are going on in this country.
Stephen K. Bannon
Talk about the conference you guys have had for the last night and then. And then today. What's the purpose of the conference, the types of speakers you're trying to bring in and the objective.
Sam Delmer
Yeah, so the conference is the Conservative and Republican Conference. It's been held for the past two years at Harvard, and it brings together the Harvard Kennedy School undergrad and law school and the business school. Don't want to leave you out there. And the whole point of it is to bring in, you know, conservative speakers to try and educate those who are further to the middle on, you know, what conservatism is and why we actually hold truly conservative values. And I think especially to bring, you know, older conservatives into the MAGA movement. That is who we bring. So we brought. Last year, we brought. We brought Peter Thiel to come speak this year we're bringing, of course, you as a keynote speaker. We brought Professor Wax, Jeremy Carl, who wrote about anti white racism. We brought. We're bringing Andrew Ferguson, the new chair of the ftc, who I'll have a conversation with Professor Adrian Vermeule. So we're really trying to open up the new rights space, I think, at Harvard, and that is the objective of the conference.
Stephen K. Bannon
As you go out into the world, how do you take these, what you've learned at Notre Dame, because you're in kind of hostile territory there, and then Harvard, because you've been at two of the top universities, but ones that have gone very progressive, how do you take that out and go into the world with your first job, your career, and obviously trying to be involved in politics.
Sam Delmer
Yeah, I think the way that I plan to do it is to go home. I think that really the place where I'm going to have the most influence and the place where.
Stephen K. Bannon
Go back to Texas.
Sam Delmer
Go back to Texas. Yeah. I think that these Texas boys, man.
Stephen K. Bannon
You can't get them out of there. No, seriously, it's like a whole different deal. I love Texas, but the guy, you folks down there, it's like a different deal. It's even hard to get. You know, they get in Princeton and Harvard. Now they don't. They want to go to ut, Right. They don't even want to go.
Sam Delmer
Yeah, exactly.
Stephen K. Bannon
Ivy League. So go home and do what?
Sam Delmer
Yeah, I think the. The plan would be to just work on. Work in state government. I think really the national government is so occupied. It's so tough Even though there's a lot of great people, I think I'm not quite smart enough to really do national level politics.
Stephen K. Bannon
I don't know about that. But you want to start at the state level and have a big impact on Texas. Exactly what you have. Social media. Can people follow you?
Sam Delmer
I don't really have much, but I would, I would say I. You can find me at Fortuna Insight. Fortuna Insights, Yeah, that's on LinkedIn.
Stephen K. Bannon
LinkedIn. And what is Fortuna Insights?
Sam Delmer
Fortuna Insights is a company run by a few of my friends and I and it's mostly dealing with legal questions and like the cutting edge of legal technology.
Stephen K. Bannon
Fantastic. Thanks for having us up here and, and great interview. Look forward to seeing more about you as you go back to Texas. Sam Delmer.
Sam Delmer
Yes.
Stephen K. Bannon
San Antonio, Texas. Okay. John Khan. His house is nothing but ashes now in the Palisades. And one of Andrew Breitbart's original partners are going to take us out. With American heart still to come, I think hopefully we get Ambassador Carlos Sands, one of President Trump's right hand people in all things foreign affairs, and we'll be able to talk about Canada in the Arctic in hemispheric defense next.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, Honored to have Ambassador Carla up. Sands. Now you, you were on BBC last night from here. You've been at the conference from last night and also today. Why are you here with this group? Of retro reprobates at Harvard. These revolutionaries rebels.
Kimo Gandal
Well, because we're creating a revolution here at Harvard and across the country and it's going to change our nation. This is about America first and the money's going to change. The money, the corruption, the tens of billions of dollars that are going to places like Penn and Harvard from the federal government. This is all going to change.
Stephen K. Bannon
So you agree with, with Professor Amy Wax, you think you got to use title six, get into, start cleaning up these Ivy League institutions, these other universities are taking mass amounts of money. I think she said Penn gets $900 million a year. Yes, that has to happen.
Kimo Gandal
Yes. And I think Doge is going to get their AI in there and they're going to find it all. They're going to find the webs and then we're going to turn off the money and then we're going to turn on money that benefits the American people and real research and not just layers and layers of bureaucrats with cushy jobs and gold plated health care.
Stephen K. Bannon
So you're ambassador to Denmark, Greenland. We're going to get to the second. Also want to ask you about the Arctic and Canada. But usaid, you're very familiar with it. Is what we're doing the right thing of shutting this down? Totally just shutting the whole thing down.
Kimo Gandal
It's so exciting, Steve. It's so exciting that we are shutting down USAID because what it was was a giant piggy bank to pay people who are rich, like the Clintons and like a lot of these NGOs. And they were pushing out ideologies to our trading partners and our aid partners that they don't want. For instance, the trans stuff, the, you know, sort of trying to push stuff to largely Christian or Muslim countries or Catholic countries that they don't want to see. And so this is going to be a win for the taxpay. But also countries did not want to trade with us because China didn't come with all these ideologies. They really despised what we were doing. So I'm excited.
Stephen K. Bannon
Talk about Days of Thunder. Every day there's another 10 or 12, either executive actions, executive orders, legislation, or just President Trump doing something like stripping Biden of his security clearance. What's your, what's your takeaway of the Days of Thunder in the first couple of weeks?
Kimo Gandal
Every day's Christmas. I'm having so much fun. I just, I can't wait every day. And it doesn't stop like at 5:00? No, it continues. And on the weekend it continues. And so it's, it's the most exciting political time in my lifetime. But it's also really exciting for the American people and our country. We're safer every day and we're saving our money. It's our money. Let's put it back in our pockets or just not spend it in the first place.
Stephen K. Bannon
So your recommendation of the president is keep on. We call it maneuver warfare. Just pedal, all gas, no brake, all gas, no brakes. And what about you seeing now the resistance of the media, the left, they're trying to go to the courts. What do you say when the courts put these tros up, what do you do then?
Kimo Gandal
Well, I think that there has to be a change. A friend of mine wrote an op ed recently, I think it was in the Daily Caller about how these federal governments, judges should not be able to stop a sitting US President from implementing his, his administration's policies. And so I think there have to be changes so that we can't have one judge somewhere.
Stephen K. Bannon
Article three versus an article two issue.
Kimo Gandal
So I'm not sure, I'm not an attorney, but I'll say this, you don't.
Stephen K. Bannon
Play one on tv.
Kimo Gandal
No, I don't. But. But we have to have the president be able to implement his agenda. He won the popular vote, he won the electoral college vote. The people are behind him. So I think number one, the judges have to be reined in. But I think also now we have conservative lawyers who are killers who are going to go toe to toe with the left as they try to shut us down on all of these great policies. And they're on their back foot because every day's Christmas. They can't get in front of him to stop him because he has so.
Stephen K. Bannon
Many, you're saying there's so many different things coming. Right. They're just overwhelming the system.
Kimo Gandal
It's like putting a toy in front of a cat and moving it. They don't know where to go.
Stephen K. Bannon
Now, one of the reasons I'm so glad when I heard you were up here, I want to talk because this situation with Greenland, is this not something President Trump thought of the other night? He has been obsessed with this about hemispheric defense for a long time. And you were one of the key people, or not the key person in the first term because you were ambassador to Denmark. Just walk people through the strategic logic of Greenland.
Kimo Gandal
Sure. So I was the ambassador to Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands, it's a kingdom. But seeing that Greenland just off our northeast coast, one third the size of the Continental US Undefended by Denmark. And when I got to Denmark in late 2017, undefended by us as well. And this is open source. There were Russian subs everywhere the sea lines of communication, the open sea lines were being threatened as we talked about.
Stephen K. Bannon
Because the Russian bases are up in Murmansk and Archangel. They got to come through the Greenland, Iceland, UK gap to get to the North Atlantic.
Kimo Gandal
Right. The Giuk Gap is the giant seas between Greenland and Iceland and the UK because that's also part of Denmark's area of responsibility because you have the Faroe Islands just north of Scotland. So these are giant seas. They have no capability of policing or even having an awareness of what's going on. And the U.S. really, we struggle in these very aggressive seas. And we had left after the peace.
Stephen K. Bannon
Dividend, the famous movie from the World War II action with Humphrey Bogart action in the North Atlantic. And it is the sea states there are incredible. Very tough.
Kimo Gandal
Yes. Our navy said to me, we're having trouble passing. We're having trouble in these seas. So we have to get new capabilities. We need more ships that are capable. We need more icebreakers. Russia has around 50 icebreakers. They have missiles on the icebreakers. We have two icebreakers and one doesn't always work. So we are outgunned in the Arctic. Russia's militarized their coast. They've reopened old Cold War bases, refurbished them. They have new bases. Their capabilities are fierce in that region.
Stephen K. Bannon
The Arctic is as the great game was Afghanistan and Persia between Russia and the British Empire about India. The great game of the 21st century is the Arctic. It's a great power struggle. The CCP is going to be up there. The Russians are already up there. The United States has to be up there. Because the strategic nature of the Arctic.
Carla Sands
Correct?
Kimo Gandal
That's correct. And the CCP, in their paper that they wrote in 2018 called the Polar Silk Road, they claim to be a near Arctic nation and that they're entitled to 40% of everything under the sea, under the ground in the region because of their large population. They're very supremacist in their. In their outlook on the world and then on, say the universe.
Stephen K. Bannon
So talk to me. How does Greenland then Greenland fits into the Arctic strategy and also for the. For the boxing, the.
Kimo Gandal
Our national defense.
Stephen K. Bannon
The national defense, the Russian Navy. It's a big signal to NATO that, hey, the Russian army may be your problem. The Russian navy is our problem. We'll take care of it. How realistic is it since you know the players? How realistic is it, for the United States to get some sort of strategic relationship with Greenland since it right now is technically a part of the, of the Kingdom of the Danes.
Kimo Gandal
Right. So it's a semi autonomous nation. It has all its own authorities except for defense and foreign policy. But they are, they have said, their premier said about three weeks ago they're going independent. So that's a big deal that he says they're going independent. I thought it was decades away. I think he saw Trump's election and said now's our time. That's what I think. The Greenlanders want independence from Denmark because they abused them. They haven't developed it.
Stephen K. Bannon
People don't know this. What do you mean by that?
Kimo Gandal
Well, so they treat, it's a huge.
Stephen K. Bannon
Minerals resources that Belgium and the Danes and all of Europe, you know, in Sub Saharan Africa and other places weren't shy about exploiting people. What happened here?
Kimo Gandal
Well, so the Danes have never attempted to develop Greenland. Most of the buildings, airports and ports were built by our military either during the Second World War or during the Cold War until we left after the Berlin Wall fell. So we had a big presence there and most of their infrastructure was built by us. There is no road between two towns in Greenland. Like Denmark has never developed it at all. And Denmark can't afford to develop it or defend it. And they send around $600 million to Greenland every year as sort of a welfare payment. And so the Danes are in kind.
Stephen K. Bannon
Of tough financial shape. Is that something that's tough for them?
Kimo Gandal
Yeah, I think it's tough for them and I think it'd be welcome for them not to have to pay this. But they also get back all the transit, port transit goes from Greenland to Denmark. So they get money that way. All of the airport traffic except a little bit goes through Denmark. So they're, they do get money back and they've got interest there with interest in the, in the fishing and Greenland and stuff like that. So this, their, their economies are interwoven.
Stephen K. Bannon
In World War II and the Cold War up until President Reagan's victory over the evil empire. We had a pretty significant and important military national security function there. Correct?
Kimo Gandal
We did. In fact, we had a huge presence. We had bases all over the place. We had deep water ports. China tried to buy our, one of our deep water ports in southern Greenland. They tried to pull Greenland into the Belt and Road Initiative and build and develop and pay for and construct their.
Stephen K. Bannon
They tried to build their three airports to get Greenland into one belt, one road.
Kimo Gandal
They did. So they flew the Greenlandic premier and his government and the top CEOs, they're so smart. We didn't do it. No US company or government did. They did. Flew them over in 2017. Predatory capital, 100% debt diplomacy. Debt trap diplomacy. They were going to suck them in. And the Greenlanders were thrilled. They were like, yeah, we want this, we'll take. And they said to me, money has no color. They didn't care where the investment came from. It was neutral. They just wanted development. They want money, they want good paying jobs, they want opportunity. But they did tell me they want success in their tourism. So we gave them some help there from the, from the State Department. Success in their mining. They needed it. We're helping them from the State Department. And they didn't want their kids to learn Chinese as a second language. They wanted to learn English.
Stephen K. Bannon
Wow. We got about a minute. Do we see? You know, you're one of the best fire breathers President Trump had in the first term. Where are we going to see in the second?
Kimo Gandal
Well, wherever President Trump puts me, I would be honored to serve again. I don't want to miss out on this. This is like the most exciting time in my life to have.
Stephen K. Bannon
What's the highest use of Ambassador Carlos Sands?
Kimo Gandal
Well, I hope to be an ambassador under him, but frankly, I told him I'll go, I'll do whatever he needs me to do.
Stephen K. Bannon
One thing I've noticed, he's got, he's got ambassadors which are great because some of the ambassadors are amazing. Yeah, but you've also got these special envoys. Would you be open to that?
Kimo Gandal
Whatever he wants me to do.
Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, so you're, you're, you're ready to roll?
Kimo Gandal
Yes. He makes fun of me. Oh, you really want to work for me? Yes, I do. I don't want to miss out. This is the most exciting time in my life.
Stephen K. Bannon
Really?
Kimo Gandal
Yeah.
Stephen K. Bannon
That's fantastic. Now, social media, where do people get you?
Kimo Gandal
So I'm on Twitter x Carla H. Sands. I'm on Instagram a little bit, Facebook a little bit. But mostly you can find me.
Stephen K. Bannon
Are you working on a book or anything of your experience?
Kimo Gandal
Maybe one day.
Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, fine.
Kimo Gandal
I have to make sure somebody wants to read it.
Stephen K. Bannon
I think you get a big audience for that. Ambassador Carla Sands, we're going to take you out with modern day holy war birchgold.com it's going to be turbulence. And not just including the CBO report that says, guess what, $2 trillion of deficits as far as the eye can see, $52 trillion by 20, 35. That's not the war room. That is actually the Congressional Budget Office. Talk about it more in the next segment. Ambassador, thank you so much.
Carla Sands
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Stephen K. Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. Okay, welcome back. We are pressed for time. So much going on here today. As we're live from Harvard Square, the Salient magazine offices. Just an incredible magazine. Incredible staff, incredible people. Incredible place they have here. Ben Harnwell from Rome. Ben, a lot of movement on Ukraine. A lot of talk about Ukraine. President Trump now is saying, hey, I want the minerals on a mineral deal. Our advice to President Trump. President Trump, let's just cut bait. It'd be nothing but headaches and heartaches dealing with these people, particularly Zelensky. Zelensky's adamant. He only got $77 billion. He says 179 billion somehow went somewhere. He only got 77. So it's 102 billion missing in his calculation. We calculate $250 billion. But hey, we're just rounding down. Kellogg is talking about, and I got to tell you, now, you see, these plans get leaked and this thing is going to take longer than 100 days, going to take six months. Next thing you know, we're going to have a quagmire. Get us updated, Ben, and then we'll talk about recommendations to our beloved president.
Ben Harnwell
Morning, Steve. Yeah, well, I think we're already in the quagmire. We're not deep in the middle of the quagmire. Sinking but we're definitely in. It's up to the ankles. Sadly, the directional pull of the tide of the quagmire is ever deeper inwards. Now, you started off mentioning Colonel, Excuse me, General, Lieutenant General Kellogg. Now, he came out in an interview last night saying that there's going to be an audit on this money given and weaponry given to Ukraine. I think this audit is going to take two parts. It's going to be an audit on the Ukrainian side. He says there are already inspectors general there investigating that. But it's also going to be on the US Side. As you correctly say, it's going to take years to work out to account for everything sent over to Ukraine. And to be honest with you, Steve, I don't even know if it's possible, years after the event, to account for all of the inventory that's been expended on, on an active battlefront scenario. What I'm more interested in is, is how much money and weaponry has the United States given to, to, to Zielinski. I have to say, and I said this when we spoke about this on the show last week, I think what Zielinski's doing here, and I guess, I mean, I guess he knows when he calls for an audit himself, which he did last week, I think he knows what that audit's going to produce. And it's going to suggest that he has only received 70, $76 billion worth of equipment. Not the 176, certainly not the 250. And I think the reason he's pushing this argument is to try to manipulate American public opinion to say, well, hang on, he hasn't squandered 250 billion. He, he squandered a figure which is like sort of a little more of than a quarter of that. Perhaps if we actually gave him the full amount, he might be able to repel Russia from the border. This is the last card he's got up his sleeve. Yeah, and I sort of think, Stephen, but, but concerns me. Yeah, we're walking into his trap on this.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, he's not calculating also the 5 billion per month that we send to support the governments. I think over three years, things have been over $100 billion of that, but I'm sure we'll go through and parse it. President Trump says he's either going to meet with him or talk to Zelensky next week. There's all kind of rumors around the imperial capital, not the one, not the eternal capital in Rome, the imperial capital, Washington, D.C. that President Trump's looking. They're trying to figure out a meeting with Putin, a sit down that may take place in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, uae. What's your recommendation to the president and when he talks to Zelensky next week, sir?
Ben Harnwell
Well, next week is the Munich Security Conference. Let's not have any references back to 1938 on this. The annual Munich Conference is taking place. There's going to be Vice President Ransom, there's going to be General Kellogg there. President Trump is going to try to talk to Putin, as you mentioned. My advice to him is, look, I said this, right? I've been saying this, you've been saying this on the show. President Trump has no need to produce any peace plan. That is what is one of these forces, centripetal forces pulling him into the quagmire. It gives him a moral stake and a political stake in a successful outcome of this conflict. Right now he has no need to play host or broker or negotiator or deal maker on this, Steve. No need whatsoever. He has an electoral mandate. All he needs to say is we are out. You guys do what you want. Ukraine, Europe, Russia, you guys sit down and talk. We are out. That is my electoral mandate. Right. This is me fulfilling that. We are out. Over. That's what I think he said.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah. This Rob wanted to have Sands, Ambassador Sands on before you. President Trump could not be clearer. The new geostrategic construct is hemispheric defense from the Arctic all the way down to the Panama Canal. You've cut off the Chinese navy in the Panama Canal from connecting with the Russian navy in the Caribbean. You've cut, you've boxed the Russian navy in up in Murmansk and Archangel by control of Greenland or partnership with Greenland in some sort of partnership with Canada. On the Arctic, you've boxed up the CCP and the Russians. You have with Bolsonaro and Bolsonaro's forces and others in Brazil and Milei. You can run the Chinese Communist Party out of the Amazon and out of Latin America. You have Monroe Doctrine 2.0. President Trump of any world leader has no blood on his hands, no involvement. He's advocated against this. They hadn't stolen the election, it would never have happened. He is 100% morally clear, politically clear, strategically clear on this, on the Ukraine situation and all they're trying to do in Washington D.C. and this is just not the left and the Atlantic Council that got us in this mess. It's also the RHINO neocons are trying to entrap President Trump every second of every day to meet with Zelensky and talk to Putin and hey, maybe we want the natural resources. Everything related to Ukraine is cursed. It's cursed. It's called the bloodlands for a reason. It's not our situation. The vital national security interest of the United States is the southern border of the United States, not the eastern Russian speaking border of these two Slavic entities. And there's no upside here. And the President is being sucked into that every day. General Kellogg's a good man. I think he's being sucked into it. And somebody's got to sit there and go, no, we've got hemispheric defense. We have more on our plate than we deal with with Canada, with Greenland, with Panama, with sorting this mess out in the Red Sea in the Middle east, you got the South China Sea and Taiwan. The agenda of the United States is full. And President Trump, who's got the most, the clearest record of not wanting to do this and not in telling Boris Johnson we shouldn't do this. Now's the moment to cut bait. Ben Harnwell, thoughts, Steve?
Ben Harnwell
I posted on this on Geta this morning. President Trump has suggested that in exchange for the US Providing security guarantees, and this is still on the line, this is still the formal position that General Kellogg is going to go next week and start discussing with the Ukrainians about the eventual terms of a negotiated peace. The security guarantees provided by the US Are still there floating around. And President Trump came out, you saw this a couple of days ago, saying, oh, well, look, Ukraine's full of these rare earths and the minerals, we could do with those for our industries. Zelensky should give us that and then we'll provide the security guarantees. I posted on this. Look, I don't really ever go directly against President Trump on social media or even on this show on this, I just said that's absolutely crazy. I could not disagree with that strategy more. It seems to me to be a mirror of Kuwait only swapping rare earths for oil. And the basic deal is, I mean, President Trump, I don't understand who is advising him, who's standing at his elbow, feeding these into his, these ideas into. Because superficially you can say, oh yeah, that sounds great, we could do with all we could do with hoovering up access to all these rare earth minerals and all this stops them going over to China. The problem is that it's going to be U.S. taxpayers that are underwriting the security guarantees, U.S. boots on the ground, implicitly or explicitly underwriting the security guarantees. And it's going to be the US Tech oligarchs. Again, the benefit of having access to the rare earths so the US Taxpayer gets to pay and the billionaires get the get the dividends. It is absolutely wrong, Steve. So I'm pushing back on President Trump. Mark be down as a no on that one, sir.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah. No, your social media posts are great, Ben. We got a bolt. Where do people get you over the weekend until Monday?
Ben Harnwell
Get Steve. My social media platform of choice is type in my surname Arnwell. I think that's my X profile there. That's benharnwell. But I'm really active on getter at Harnwell. Thanks, Steve. God bless. Have a great weekend.
Stephen K. Bannon
Fantastic. We'll see you up. We'll see you up on X. Grace Chung and the and the team monitoring that Kimo Ganel's back chemo. I want to make sure we got to you on transhumanism. Give me your thoughts. We cover transhumanism. Transhumanism nonstop. Here we have an editor, Joe Allen's written a fantastic book for us and for our audience. Your thoughts on transhumanism?
H
Yeah. Getting back to it, I think there's two issues. There's the incidental issue, which is who controls the tool? I think that's the less interesting question.
Stephen K. Bannon
You're saying in AI, the AI part of this.
H
Yes, exactly. AI machine learning. And you know, there's a lot of people involved in, I would at least say adjacent to our movement. I think you can call Peter Thiel that, for example. Like we're working on that, for example, at the Harvard Innovation Labs. And we're certainly part of the movement. The better question is about the intrinsic part, which is really a spiritual question when it comes down to it, because the question is what happens when the tool becomes just as efficient as a person? Right now we can empirically say they are not right. You can say there's hallucinations, there's correctness problems, there's groundedness. There was a Stanford study based on this. But really it comes down to the Western ethos, the Eastern ethos, which is traditionally based on habitual conduct. You know, what works empiricism. Confucius, for example, talks about this in the Analects, is only interested in how to apply it to society and receive collective benefit. The west is different. The west tends to be interested in meaning and grappling with God. You know, this goes as far back to our biblical roots, the people of Israel.
Sam Delmer
Right.
H
It's about wrestling with God. And so it's really this existential question, what do we do if the tools we have are so efficient? We don't need humans in the majority of these jobs, which, by the way, this also, the fact this dialectic has only occurred now shows there's a lapse between the working class and the intelligence.
Stephen K. Bannon
What do you mean by that?
H
Well, we've already been automating the working class for the past, past 200 years. I mean, this goes all the way back. Marx, ironically enough, identifies this with the breakup of the guilds, right, when you had blacksmiths and you had different artisans that were replaced by factories. Now, there's some positive benefits to that. If you just look at it from an Eastern ethos. People, their quality of life went up, they were able to consume more products, but that's not meaning. The fact we live in a country where suicide rates are at some of their highest points and yet the quality of living keeps going up shows there's a disjunction between meaning and material effect. And so really what we're tackling with AI is how to combine that juncture. What that simply means is we need to bring back a biblical discourse. And the reason transhumanism is problematic is it attempts to distort God's image. It's an attempt to usurp it. And really the working class has been yelling about this for the last 200 years. We see with products right in the American context, China has taken over. It's undermined the majority of products coming into the country. People have lost their manufacturing jobs. And that's something the mag movement is about. It's about restoring American meaning.
Stephen K. Bannon
Your recommendation for our audience. We've got Dark Aeon from Joe Allen, all of his writings. When you go and look at something on transhuman humanism and artificial intelligence, what's your recommendations for people that want to get up to speed? What do you recommend they read?
H
Yeah.
Ben Harnwell
Yeah.
H
So there's a lot of great blogs online, if you're looking incidentally. So based on the tools, you can follow me. Fortuna insights on LinkedIn. I'm consistently posting blogs if you want to look at.
Stephen K. Bannon
You're linking to blogs all the time?
H
Constantly. I'm consistently writing them. Adrian Vermeil has a great blog on this. He kind of links between law and artificial intelligence and algorithms. Again, he points to the intrinsic versus the incidental. Follow the short ones because the books are getting left behind often because they look at the empirical effects of AI and every day they're changing. Deep sea completely change the landscape, at least in terms of the marketplace on AI. And so you need to be one step ahead of the books and read those blogs.
Stephen K. Bannon
Thanks, brother.
H
Thank you.
Stephen K. Bannon
He didn't get the hook this time. My producers backed off. It's chemo. Gandel, Harvard Law.
Sam Delmer
Thanks.
Stephen K. Bannon
Very impressive young man like Sam Delmo. Short break. Back in a moment.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Okay, welcome back. So, great article in the Hill newspaper this morning about tariffs. You know what it focused on? You got it. Active pharmaceutical ingredients and generics. The tariffs that President Trump are talking about are going to go be hit right on these products and many, many more, obviously. Read the Hill article. Mo, let's get it up into. Into the chat. Grace, let's put in the chat. Jace Medical is your solution. Go to Jace Medical. I told you when Rosemary Gibson wrote the book and then Dr. Sean Rollins and the team at Jace built a company around this thing of the supply chains, this was going to come home to roost. Right now, President Trump's tariffs are going to include active pharmaceutical ingredients and they're going to include generics. That means the prices are going to go up because he's, you know, he's trying to bring manufacturing back, Navarro and those guys. I think Rosemary Gibson's on the board of the entity down in. I think it's Hopewell, Virginia, Chester, Virginia. Been built to actually bring it back to United States, but that is going to take a while, let's say decades. Jace Medical Dot com, go online today, put in promo code, bank get discount. But more importantly, get upset. Read the Hill article, then go to Jace. Get up to speed. Taj Gill. Coffee in the morning. I didn't have my. I didn't have my war path today, right? I'm on. I'm on the road. I thought I brought it. I didn't. It. I've been kind of, you know, I'm half in and half out. Tell me about my warpath. What am I missing?
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Stephen K. Bannon
Put down the alcohol and drink the champagne of coffee during super bowl, right? Keep you up, keep your alert, keep you talking. By the way, before I bounce, those your tools of the trade right in back of us on your wall.
I
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Stephen K. Bannon
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Stephen K. Bannon
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Stephen K. Bannon
Wow. Fantastic. Thank you, brother Taj, Gil.
I
Thank you, Steve.
Stephen K. Bannon
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Summary of Bannon's War Room - Episode 4256: "WarRoom Takes On Harvard Cont. Bringing The Fight Home"
Release Date: February 8, 2025
In Episode 4256 of Bannon's War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon tackles the intricate battle between conservative forces and progressive institutions, with a particular focus on Harvard University. The episode features insightful conversations with young conservative leaders, strategic thinkers, and national security experts, addressing the challenges and strategies necessary to fortify the conservative movement within elite academic environments and broader national contexts.
00:00 - 02:38
The episode opens with a discussion between Stephen K. Bannon and Pam Bondi about the establishment of a "weaponization working group." This group targets prosecutors who have initiated cases against former President Donald Trump, specifically naming Jack Smith, Letitia James, and Alvin Bragg.
Stephen K. Bannon: "That's their target. While at the same time, the new U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia is saying he will weaponize his office." [00:09]
Michael: "I don't know when it became the role of a U.S. attorney to prosecute people for merely unethical actions... This is incomprehensible to me." [00:45]
Pam Bondi highlights actions taken by Elon Musk, who promises to investigate individuals referred to his office, raising concerns about the politicization of legal institutions.
03:52 - 14:24
Stephen K. Bannon welcomes Sam Delmer, a first-year student at Harvard Law School, to discuss the challenges of being a conservative in a predominantly progressive environment.
Sam Delmer: "It's a little bit tough, Steve. I remember my first week I was there, we were talking about hobbies. I said I was a person of faith, and then suddenly almost two thirds of the class wouldn't talk to me at all." [04:08]
Sam Delmer: "We have formed like a core group of people who are like a brother, a brotherhood almost there. We've worked to create institutions that are truly conservative, not just milquetoast conservative." [04:45]
Delmer criticizes the Federalist Society for becoming "milquetoast" and advocates for a more assertive conservative presence at Harvard. He emphasizes the need for genuine ideological commitment over superficial labels.
Delmer also discusses the formation of conservative groups like the John Adams Society and the increasing alignment of younger students with the MAGA movement.
16:13 - 27:40
Host Stephen K. Bannon transitions to national security with Ambassador Carla Sands and Ambassador Kimo Gandal. The conversation focuses on the strategic shutdown of USAID and the renewed emphasis on hemispheric defense, particularly in the Arctic region.
Gandal outlines the importance of Greenland in U.S. strategic interests, highlighting:
He discusses the militarization of Greenland, the need for new capabilities to counter Russian and Chinese presence, and the economic interdependencies between the U.S. and Denmark regarding Greenland's infrastructure.
Ambassador Sands reinforces the necessity of these strategic moves to safeguard national interests and counteract adversarial influences in critical regions.
30:36 - 38:42
Ben Harnwell joins the discussion to address the ongoing U.S. support for Ukraine amidst concerns over financial mismanagement and military aid.
Harnwell critiques the potential audits on U.S. aid to Ukraine, expressing skepticism about the efficiency and accountability of continued support. He warns against falling into another geopolitical quagmire and emphasizes the need to focus on hemispheric defense instead.
Harnwell advises President Trump to cease further entanglement and prioritize domestic and hemispheric security concerns.
39:27 - 43:10
The episode delves into the contentious topic of transhumanism and artificial intelligence, featuring insights from Ben Harnwell.
Harnwell explores the existential implications of AI, arguing for the preservation of human meaning and emphasizing the need for a biblical discourse to counteract the materialistic advancements posed by transhumanism.
He advocates for a balanced approach that honors both technological progress and spiritual integrity, highlighting the disjunction between material advancements and societal meaning.
43:16 - 54:31
In the concluding segments, the episode touches on domestic issues such as tariffs on pharmaceuticals and promotes various products, though these sections are meant to be skipped per the user's instructions. The core discussions reinforce the necessity of strengthening conservative movements within elite institutions, enhancing national security strategies, and addressing the philosophical challenges posed by technological advancements.
Carla Sands: "This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people." [02:06]
Sam Delmer: "MAGA is just a belief that the right is okay. It's sort of like a no enemies to the right view." [11:07]
Ben Harnwell: "President Trump has no need to produce any peace plan... We are out. You guys do what you want." [33:22]
Ben Harnwell: "Transhumanism is problematic as it attempts to distort God's image. It's an attempt to usurp it." [40:38]
Episode 4256 of Bannon's War Room offers a comprehensive exploration of the conservative movement's efforts to reclaim influence within elite academic institutions like Harvard and address broader national security challenges. Through engaging interviews and strategic discussions, Stephen K. Bannon highlights the importance of ideological commitment, strategic defense initiatives, and the preservation of meaningful societal values amidst technological and geopolitical shifts.
This summary captures the essential discussions, insights, and conclusions from Episode 4256, providing a clear and structured overview for those who haven't listened to the full episode.