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Episode 4291: AFD Makes Massive Grounds In German Election; Macron At The White House
Episode 4291: AFD Makes Massive Grounds In German Election; Macron At The White House ...
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Stephen K. Bannon
Now, the rise of the AfD. In fact, you spent time in Germany. You even attended at least one of their rallies. You did a deep dive. That's on the Atlantic site now. A must read. Tell us a little bit about what you learned there and the party's new and growing role in that country.
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Mike Allen
The main thing I learned was that the AFD was aiming its fire at the cdu, at the center right. I mean, the AFD was saying the center right, which just won this election, has to be destroyed, totally dismantled, that they invoked Trump, they invoked Elon Musk, and they said they led the way. They destroyed the GOP as it existed before. And we're going to do the same thing to the cdu. Now, the CDU having won, it looks like a victory for them. But the AfD also measures their victories in different ways, too. So getting one in five German voters for them was a huge victory because it meant that they couldn't be ignored in the future. So they might be shut out of government. They're very likely to be shut out of government. But what they were afraid of was that they would have a showing that would be poor enough that they could actually be banned as a party, be investigated by law enforcement. And what they've got is a showing that makes it impossible for them to be completely ignored politically.
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Maria Bartiromo
This Apple announcement this morning, which just popped 6:00am Eastern, all the details are up. The weed story on Axios, this is a landmark story for a couple of reasons. One, the effort by the president to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. this is a massive commitment to that. And as we say in our story, this gives Trump the leverage to say to other companies, apple can do this. Apple is bringing these jobs in the into the U.S. apple is investing in the U.S. why can't you? Why won't you? And the statement out this morning from Apple CEO Tim Cook talking about being bullish on the future of America, talking about writing a extraordinary new chapter in the history of American innovation. So that's one bucket, too. There's an incredible footprint for this. This is all across the United States. And it's part of the big story that Axis has been telling, that it's no longer just the coast. Look at where some of these big investments are. The swing states of Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Nevada, red states. The massive investment that you were talking about in Texas, big innovation Lab in Michigan. So a footprint all across the country. And third, if you look at how the US Is going to have a sustained recovery, it's going to be about Building things, making things, doing that more in the US this is a big step toward that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Can you walk us through the negotiations that you are having right now to tap into not just these rare earth minerals, but also oil in Ukraine? What can you tell us? Where does the deal stand?
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Scott Bessant
So Maria, as you said earlier, I traveled to Kiev about 10 days ago and met with President Zelensky. And this deal is part of President Trump's long arc negotiating strategy for peace between Ukraine and Russia and let the Ukrainians get back to a peaceful existence. So the first part of this is a partnership between Ukraine and the US that involves strategic minerals, energy and state owned enterprises where we set up a partnership and we are only looking forward. It is a win win. President Trump created this idea himself. It is a win win. We make money if the Ukrainian people make money. And I believe that with the United States of America, our know how our businesses willing to come in and provide capital, that we can accelerate the Ukrainian growth trajectory and take in substantial monies for the US taxpayers and get the Ukrainian economy on a growth, great growth trajectory.
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Stephen K. Bannon
You know, how do you foresee the role they'll play going forward now with this new government in place in Germany?
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Mike Allen
So I think you can look at some of the states where they've been very popular. So I was in the state of Thuringia, one of the places where they've been most popular in the past. And in fact in state parliament they won a plurality of votes there, but they were not in government because all the other parties joined a coalition against them and made them just shut them out. So what was the effect of that? Supporters of the AfD were angrier than ever. They, Their, their view was even when we win, we lose. So now that they haven't, you know, got enough of a share of the federal parliament to actually be in government, to be most likely in government in any coalition, they're still going to feel like they've been shut out. So I feel like this is sort of a reckoning postponed with the AfD and the rise of the far right in Germany because their, their supporters are going to look at their fairly strong showing, a stronger showing than ever before, and see that there' being shut out. And that's going to make them mad. And whenever the next reckoning comes, the real reckoning, it's going to be pretty severe.
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Steve Deace
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians, I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
It's going to happen.
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Brian Glenn
And where do people like that go.
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Stephen K. Bannon
To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Steve Deace
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Stephen K. Bannon
War room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's Monday the 24th of February. Yerver Lord 2025 once again there are decades in which nothing happens and there are weeks and months in which decades happen. And President Trump continue on in the days of thunder, years of lightning. Pretty extraordinary something but I think every it's not that we missed we didn't have time to cover it. On Saturday morning show at cpac we had somebody the posse there and I want to thank everybody that assisted us in putting on obviously Real America Voice, the blow away success of the Force Multiplier Academy On Wednesday we had a massive turnout. I don't know, 5, 600 people. Pretty extraordinary in the team. Grace, Mo, Jane, everybody. Natalie did such an amazing job and Jack, Bosoba, Gary pitching in and of course Harry and the team at Rural Market Voice. It was so successful. We're going to be making some announcements. We're going to be rolling that out and taking it on the road throughout the country because there's a huge demand for it and I think now we can we are kind of clicking on how it's actually presented and every time we give new and better information and people are want to be on the ramparts and they want to be completely weaponized in this fight. And so we're here to do it at the war room. So much big news. The one the eclipse not even in there. Dan Bongino, friend and colleague. Dan met Dan years ago with Andrew Breitbart. Over a decade ago Dan ran for Congress out in western Maryland. Then he ran for the Senate, Maryland. Then he ran for Congress down in in Florida. He got into broadcasting. Enormously successful. A great guy and a law enforcement guy. Dan Bongino is the deputy to Cash Patel at the FBI. Let me repeat that running the FBI is Cash Patel and Dan Boncino. There are going to be some significant changes to the FBI and I think Dan is the perfect guy to help initiate some of these investigations we Talked about on J6 and other things. He would be fantastic. So, so Much news there and so much news internally. Also, Elon sent out this email on Saturday night about people having to respond and of course, cash. Pete Hegser at Defense, Tulsi at dni, I think Ratcliffe over at the CIA, and Senator Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, came back and said, hey, we'll take care of this ourselves. Appreciate the effort, but our people are not going to be sending you or your junior guys a, you know, five things they did last week. We'll handle this. So I think you're seeing the Doge thing. And, you know, the House is putting up this kind of reconciliation budget. It's got a lot of issues, a ton of issues, like where's the beef? Where are the cuts? And the Doge right now there's a bunch of articles about are the cuts really there? Here's what we need. We need Elon to be more and more and more focused on the waste, fraud and abuse. And we need somebody to start talking about programmatically. And here's why this gets back to this. You saw Scott Bessant, our own Scott Bessant, they're talking about the Ukraine deal. If you add all this, what's happened in the last 72 hours about investments. President Trump signs this America First Investment policy executive order on Friday. It is the most, it is the clearest, I think, example, and there's some interpretation there we got to firm up. But it's the clearest example of the decoupling of, of the US from the ccp. Remember, an Unrestricted Warfare, One of my favorite books written by the two Chinese, then colonels became generals later. Part of the unrestricted warfare is economic warfare. And they've been in economic war with us for many, many decades. That economic war underwritten by Wall street and exacerbated by Silicon Valley and the tech transfer that's gone on willingly. You're seeing that pull back now. You've got to look at this signing of this document. Gaffney will be here to break it down for us. That really restricts investments into China, into the Chinese, particularly anything associated with the Chinese Communist Party. It's kind of the reverse of what they did to Pompeo, Pottinger, Navarre and myself when they fully sanctioned us and said, you know, you can't be associated with any CCP company or any Chinese company. You can't go to China, be associated. It's fine if that's what it takes to help free the Lao Beijing. But President Trump dropped the hammer on this investment. And this is the clearest indication and there's a lot of back channel about chat about what's going on, the deals are being cut and who's doing what with President Trump on China. But this was a least a very clear kind of directional that we're going to decouple. On top of that, Apple with this $500 billion investment, 20,000 jobs and as Mike Allen and Axios just said, walked you through, it's not on the coast. This is not centered on California or any of the tech centers like in Boston and Route 128. This is very much in the heartland of the country. What Apple's doing to bring manufacturing back, to bring innovation back. This is the issue I've got with Ukraine. Ukraine, you see, Scott, and President strategically, you see what President Trump's trying to do. I just think it's getting us more and more and more into this Ukraine situation. Ukraine's situation is something that to me should be totally European. And we're going to be pretty adamant about that. We have Brian Glenn at the White House. Ben Harden was with us in Rome. Frank Gaffney is going to join us in a moment. A lot to go through. Let's go to Brian Glenn. Brian, pretty extraordinary day. Macron actually showed up early so he could go to the Situation Room and do a call with G7 country. So Macron, the president of France actually came early to the White House. No ceremony, no official greeting, no actually greeting at all. Just showed up and went to the Situation Room. Did a call or they, I guess the scheduler said the Oval Office did a call on the G7. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, he's left and he's coming back to the White House later for it's not a state visit, but a working visit to be greeted shortly after noon and to actually sit with President Trump the rest of the bulk of the day, Correct?
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Brian Glenn
Yeah. Good morning, Steve. That is absolutely correct. And also let me step aside real quick and I'll show you kind of what's going on right now. He is still in the West Wing. He has not left yet. You see the motorcade is pulled up front, that first car, that's the vehicle he will get in. And of course there's a press vehicle next to it, that longer van. But you're right, he got here shortly before 8 o'clock, had the phone call, the G7 phone call. He is now waiting to go back to their residence here just outside the White House. And, and as you said, Steve is coming back at around just 12:35, I think is tentatively when they have it scheduled where he's going to have this kind of a bilateral meeting, if you will, in the Oval Office will be on the ground there as well. Steve Then of course, at 2:00. Yeah, yeah, 2:00 there's a press conference with Trump and Macron and all of us. We'll bring it to you live as it happens.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Brian hangover a second pretty unusual. So the president France came early with the president to a call, G7 call, obviously very secured, very secure call. He's still there. He's scheduled to leave and then come back at about 12:15. I think it is been then be greeted by the president over as the one we've been showing the West Wing access that less formal entry point. He'll be with the president. They'll probably Brian, get you guys in the Oval Office for some sort of press avail. Then at 2:00, I think it's in the East Room. They're going to have a one of the formal those press conferences that President Trump does so well. Very active day at the White House talking about Ukraine, war and peace and prosperity, all of it. And President Trump's on a roll, making deals. The master dealmaker making deals. Short commercial break Brian Glenn at the White House, Ben Hartwell in Rome. Frank Gaffney is going to join us. We'll return with Dan Bongino, the deputy FBI director.
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Steve Deace
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Stephen K. Bannon
Do it Today announcement this morning, which.
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Maria Bartiromo
Just popped 6am Eastern. All the details are up. The Weed story on Axios. This is a landmark story for a couple of reasons. One, the effort by the president to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. this is a massive commitment to that. And as we say in our story, this gives Trump the leverage to say to other companies, apple can do this. Apple is bringing these jobs in the, into the U.S. apple is investing in the U.S. why can't you? Why won't you? And the statement out this morning from Apple CEO Tim Cook talking about being bullish on the future of America, talking about rating and a extraordinary new chapter in the history of American innovation. So that's one bucket, too. There's an incredible footprint for this. This is all across the United States. And it's part of the big story that Axis has been telling, that it's no longer just the coast. Look at where some of these big investments are. The swing states of Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Nevada, red states, the massive investment that you were talking about in Texas, big innovation lab in Michigan. So a footprint all across the country. And third, if you look at how the US Is going to have a sustained recovery, it's going to be about building things, making things, doing that more in the US this is a big step for that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, Mike Allen over at Axios, kind of blockbuster news this morning. Also, there's been some. So Apple, $500 billion, 20,000 jobs in the heartland of the country, from Arizona to, you know, all over, not just putting it into Silicon Valley or the west coast or Seattle. Profound big news. Now, obviously it's in the details, but this is in the, in Apple. Tim Cook, or Tim Apple as he's known to the president couldn't be more effusive in his support of a new day in America and a new energy, the unleashing of animal spirits. I think you couple that with the America First Investment Initiative executive order that really went after, hey, we're decoupling from China. I mean, I read this as the beginning of really President Trump coming down on the side of those of us have been hardcore about decoupling. And you add that to even his strategy. And look, I think that Ukraine sunk costs and we just saw him move on. But you see the dealmaker, right? He's on a roll. He's also the White House putting out today of all these investments. Look, I'm not a fan of foreign capital coming into the country. I'm just not. But President Trump's looking at his barometer of people that want to invest in the United States of America on his watch. And on that I think it's very positive. Brian Glenn and Brian, we've had some, you know, a little choppy on some of the polling. Ipsos had a poll out last week that we didn't get a chance to get to it because we're at CPAC, but it showed President Trump's approval rating disapproved. 51 approval, 44. That's the first one I've seen like that. James Carville. Brian, as you know, came out yesterday. Not that he's done a very good job of being a. But he said in 30 days President Trump's entire bottom of his polling is going to fall out because of what Elon Musk is doing over Doge. But this morning, Harvard Harris. So the Harvard poll came out and they're pretty blow away numbers. Brian Glenn, can you walk us through it? Because it shows, I think we can say, Brian, Harvard is showing us that their poll overwhelming support for the direction of President Trump's actions in the direction of the Days of Thunder. Sir.
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Brian Glenn
Yeah, you're absolutely right. If you take a look at what the numbers even reflect with, let's start with deport the deportation of illegal criminals or illegals that have come in this country and even committed crime, you've got what 81% are for that you go down the line of undertaking, you know, ultimate fraud and waste in government, exactly what Elon Musk is doing, 76% of that. Now if even if you turn to the, some of the more, you know, public policy type of deal, the, the, the keeping men out of women's sports, that's even what 60 was, 65% of that. So overwhelmingly the people support this. So for Carville to just kind of spit off this nonsense that the bottom is going to fall out in 30 days, I don't see it. According to this polling and we're looking at it right now on your screen, even going down to banning or I should say ending bans on offshore drilling in Alaska and elsewhere, that might be something that's almost the tightest one, that's still 57% Steve, approve of that. So this polling, I think is the most accurate we've seen so far on what the American people feel about this. And I shared this on the Morning show this morning. I'll share a quick story for you. I met two guys in the elevator going to work this morning that were on their way to the office and they couldn't wait to check that email because they're like, well, do I have a job today? Am I going to have to, you know, send in my top five things that I attempting to do this week or today? But that's what the American people voted on on November 5th. We want accountability in our government. And of course according to this Harvard poll, Steve, people want the same thing. The only people who don't want it are the left, the government, people that have been riding, I guess the gravy train for way too long. But the polls reflect how the people feel and it's pretty good right now.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Steve, I think you see direction. Let me just go a couple things through this. So the Ipsos poll had President Trump upside down. 51% disapproved, 44% approved. And like I said, we couldn't get to it. I was going to talk about it today because of cpac, however this came out and as a counter in the Harvard Harris poll is a poll that's very highly thought of Trump approval 52% disapproval 43 plus 9 Brian just hits a high points. 58% say he's doing better than Biden, 81% support deporting criminal aliens, 76% support eliminating waste, fraud and abuse 76 support closing the US border, 70% support merit based hiring, 61% support reciprocal tariffs and 60% think Doge is helping. Now, particularly when you get to the 76s of the 70s and 80s, that's essentially hardcore Democrats who are never going to agree with anything. With Trump, at least 25% that means unanimity, virtually unanimity among Republicans and independents. That's the key to these numbers because it's very hard. As you know people, hey, if you get 52, 48 in election, it's a landslide. Right? Because the country's so divided. So if you get all the, essentially all the independents right now like what they see and I think people that are low information, you know, lower information, they voted this time. But they're not people that are going to watch the war room or come to real America's Voice. There's just some people just not into politics or the types of things we cover, even don't watch cnn. You see when they are polled they said hey, I'm not following it day to day. But I like what I see and I like what I see is the energy of President Trump and somebody that's in charge. Brian, this is essentially what Tim Cook is telling us that it looks like leadership has now stepped back into the White House. Leadership is in this government. And for Apple to make a half a trillion dollar 500 billion investment he here and not in the in lower cost areas, at least for labor, is a, is, is a major massive step. Brian Glenn, your thoughts?
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Brian Glenn
You're absolutely right, Steve. And I'll expand it to one more the small Business optimism, the index that really tracks how small business owners view the next 12 months. That's even at an all time high right now. So the optimism from the consumer level to the business level is good. And I'll continue this with the as far as the polling goes, Steve, take a look at what MSNBC did with getting rid of Joy Reid. They even know that they're on the wrong side of what the American people right now are voting for and what they're standing for. So they're even when you look at the mainstream media, they're even having to reshuffle a little bit of what's important to them as far as what they want to. Obviously they're pushing an agenda, but the American people aren't watching that. They're not voting for that. And of course I love those poll numbers and it's nice to see. I was really kind of surprised, Steve, how many people still feel like it's okay for men to play in women's sports. I think it was what, 33, 35% there. That I will never understand. But when it comes to business and locking down the border and fighting crime, those numbers are overwhelming for Trump.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Brian Glenn, your social media where do people get you Real America's Voice will be coming back during the Charlie Kirk show probably when Macron officially arrives. And then Brian will be in the as Brian always is. He'll be in the he'll be in the press avail and we'll have a camera in there and then later at the press conference. So water wall coverage in the White House today. Brian, how do people get you?
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Brian Glenn
Yeah, I think you follow me at Brian Glenn TV across the board at Brian on Truth Social and Brian Glenn TV on Getter as well. Thanks Steve. It's always a pleasure to come on there. By the way, we're still waiting for McCrone. He must have a good time in there with President Trump if they're meeting right now or that phone call went a little bit long but they're still inside waiting to leave. So that's only a good sign, I would think.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, there's a lot to talk about. We're going to get Ben Harnwell and Roman a second drill down. There's a lot to talk about, a whole lot to talk about right now with what's going on in Europe, what's going on with Russia, what's going with Ukraine and particularly Macron's the one that's talking about Europe stepping up and defending themselves. This time they did it. So, Brian Glenn, thank you very much, sir.
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Brian Glenn
Thank you, Macron.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Still, it's quite unusual. I don't think I've ever seen a head of state showing up early to do a call essentially from probably a more secure location and to make sure that he was there with President Trump when this call went down. Details on that later. Brian, right there. Talk about Joy Ann Reid, our favorite let Go by MSNBC last night, her entire staff, I think they were told they were let go also. But the buried lead is the show that's kind of the counter to War Room on Saturday mornings. And you know, we play a lot of Clemson called the Weeknd with Simone, who's Bernie Sanders, comm director Michael Steele, the old head of the or the former head of the rnc, a guy I know pretty well. And Menendez's daughter does a good job. She's one that, she's one of the sit in anchors. They have a show called the Weeknd that's replacing Joy Ann Reed. And the way I read it, it was kind of the way I read it. That might actually be a two hour show starting I think at 7:00 on MSNBC. MSNBC trying to do the counter to the War Room. Good luck with that. Joy Ann Reed and her wigs gone unbelievable Rome.
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Brian Glenn
Next.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Frank Gaffney with us. Hot Monday in the War Room.
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Steve Deace
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Stephen K. Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. I'm bringing Ben Harnwell in. While we're on the subject of France, the other day when I gave that wave to the audience after the, quite frankly, the epic speech I gave at cpac, because the speech was about you. Because the media is there, the whole world's there to see you. They get enough of President Trump, trust me, President Trump's going to have him in the Oval today for a presser. He'll be blowing them up, as he did all weekend. He'll then have a press conference in the East Wing. In the East Room. Excuse me, the East Room, the beautiful East Room, with Macron. And he'll blow them up again and he'll send out, I don't know, half a dozen true socials that makes their heads blow up. The one he put out last night was on Dan Bongino. World went to meltdown. Dan Bongino, Deputy Director of the FBI. He runs the building, Cash runs the bureau. Pretty amazing. So the guy, the number two guy at National Rally Front National Bardella, actually canceled his coming to CPAC to give a speech. Now, a lot of people had said he didn't want to give it. You know, Le Pen's trying to promote him because they're. Oh, let's go. Let's go right now. Let's cut there, get the whole screen. Let's go. That's right now. Yeah, okay, fine. So he came. This is unusual. He came early this morning. There was no official greeting. Thanks. I love that camera coverage right there. And what you had there's walking out. He came to have a call, a G7 call. This G7 call is about the peace negotiations, peace process. For Ukraine. Right, for Ukraine. And I'm sure Macron wanted to be in the room. Macron's kind of taking the leadership of this of saying, hey, Europe's got to be at the table and Ukraine's got to be at the table. I don't buy that. I think the framework's gotta be set up between Russia and the United States. And it's a bigger framework. This is something many of us have worked on for years. I met actually with Dugin in Rome after I left The White House, the year after I left the White House to talk about this very topic about the Chinese Communist Party and how important it was to have Russia and America in some sort of understanding, particularly on the Eurasian landmass, of the dangers of the Chinese Communist Party and what the, what the moves by the Chinese Communist Party for dominance, not just in East Asia, but in all the Eurasian landmass was going to mean for the detriment of mankind. So President Trump, I think, is setting that framework. Now, in that framework of the relationship comes this, you know, Scott Besson, President Trump working on this minerals deal as part of it today, what you're seeing is Macron wants Europe to have a see at the table. And President Trump's being very magnanimous. I'm sure he's going to include him in some way. But patience ran out with Zelensky. And President Trump echoed, I think what we've been saying on this show for a long time. Zelensky has no cards without the United States writing a massive check. Right. Which we cannot do. And without us sending tons of arms and eventually a security guarantee, which means US Troops, they don't really have a bargaining position. I hate to be so brutally frank about it. And people got to come to that realization. Pete Hegseth, I think, brilliantly summed it up when he was in Brussels and they got all over Pete. It's an amadrit. He doesn't know what he's doing. Well, we saw what you guys did, and we got a million dead or wounded Ukrainians in a destroyed country. And President Trump's kind of obsessed with the destruction and the bloodshed and just wants it to stop. And he's going to make it stop. And this is what leadership's about. What I'm not particularly excited about is any kind of ongoing commitment into Ukraine. And quite frankly, the minerals, I'm sure the minerals are great, but there's minerals all over the world. It's an opportunity cost. I just think you let Macron and these guys, the big talkers in Europe, let them do it and we move on because following the Apple announcement, there's so much more we have to do here in the United States. And I don't think it's quite dawned on people how tough a situation we're going to have on doing these cuts to the federal budget. Remember, that's still what's driving inflation. And we have, we're having a Keynesian stimulus massively every day from the federal government and running still historical deficits in this year, given Everything we know in Doge and Doge and Scott Besson said it's 55 billion the first. The first month. Hey, I'm all for that. If that's waste foreign abuse on this one, I'm from Missouri and I gotta see it because the analysis and Politico in the Wall Street Journal, I think has been pretty solid. May not be perfect, but they're saying, hey, the number could be a third of that or only 25% of that. We need real cash savings. I think there is ways for our abuse. Obviously, we gotta get to the bottom of that. But I still say, and I will continue to harp on this, we're kidding ourselves. Until you start thinking of programs, it's programmatic in billets. Not individual, just bodies. It's billets and programs. Programs and billets. You have to do. You have to do less. You can't do this. The government should be just doing. Should be shrunk and do the following. And right now, in a time of economic distress, particularly among the working class, because guess what, you invited 10 million or 12 million illegal aliens here to compete with them at the lower skilled levels or unskilled levels to drive their wages down and drive their opportunities down. And of course, you've got every one of these phony bogus visa programs like H1B visas to crush the tech workers and others. So programs like Medicaid are much more spread out than they were before. You want to know a warning shot? You want to know a warning flare? Look at when they put the memo out. Russ Vogt and the team pay a letter, put the memo out from omb. And maybe it wasn't a perfect memo, but directionally you could tell what they're trying to do. Hey, we just got here. We want to have a short moratorium on all payments till we know where cash is in the system. And the system melted down. And what really melted down was the Republican congressman who start, we're at Doral having their meeting and started getting blown up on the phone by people back in their district. Hey, I supply the sandwiches for Meals on Wheels, right? I need to be paid. My point is these cuts because of what we've done are going to be significant and they're going to be painful. And who can take political pain? We're going to find out. But that pain has to be a shared pain. And right now, I don't know if it's the best time to be throughout the world with massive development projects, a deal for Ukraine, and I understand what President Trump's Saying he's tired of like in Iraq and Afghanistan where you put $9 trillion over 20 years and you walk away with nothing. None of the mineral rights in Afghanistan, the Chinese have those. None of the oil rights or access, some sort of special deal, special development deal on the oil and gas, you have nothing. And I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe the Europeans money came in as kind of loans the way I think their money came in very differently than ours went into Ukraine, at least according to President Trump. I think the structure of their money and quite frankly in the cap table, they may actually be higher because Biden, these guys to cover up the sins that they had. Victoria Nuland in this crowd of the color revolution were just throwing cash at it. And also all the dark secrets of Ukraine. I also think Ukraine kind of the bloodlands, it's a cursed part of the world, we shouldn't be there. It's bad news, bad vibe, just move on. And if Macron's there, and that's why it's quite unusual, Macron's there at 8 o'clock in the morning. They're having a joint called the G7 and you know, maybe it's for security, although the French embassy should be secure enough. Maybe he just wanted to be there, sit there with President Trump. President Trump said okay because it was there, but crone's now left. That's the footage you just saw and he will come back shortly. Afternoon, Ben Harnwell. Our favorite topic, Ukraine, particularly over the weekend, although they're trashing it, that this is America being mercenary. There's nothing more than the Europeans and quite frankly the Ukrainian oligarchs want than the United States to be somehow economically involved in Ukraine. And some of the wording that's come out on Bloomberg is quite disturbing. We're looking, we are looking to work with them to secure long term peace, you know, and prosperity. I mean, hey, I don't know. President, excuse me. President Trump in trying to work something out with the Russians is taking the big picture here. But man, it is. I just think this Ukraine, the more you get involved with Zelensky and this crowd, the worse it's going to be. Although the structure of it is that the Ukrainians can't take any money. Everything comes from their side. The minerals, our side to develop on their side, all the cash they get is specifically target for redevelopment of the country. Your thoughts, sir?
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Ben Harnwell
Good morning, Steve. Well, we're assisting today, watching history in the making. It's definitely a pivot point and in terms of Just watching the show earlier and seeing welcoming this 500 billion development from Apple, it is Steve Jobs would have been his 70th anniversary anniversary today. Not the only anniversary, however, that's overshadowed by the third anniversary of the war in Ukraine. That's today, 24th of February, year of our Lord 2025. Three years of unnecessary war Today. I have to pick up on one thing. I've got three things to say today talking about Ukraine, the AfD and Macron, the White House, and these three things are all related. But I must pick up on one thing that you mentioned just before in your monologue. I'm not sure whether President Trump is actually right to suggest that Zelensky or the Ukrainian regime itself have no cards left. I think they have one card. I'm not saying it's likely that they would play it, but they could use it. And that's instead of selling out to the United States and US Oligarchs, they could sell out to China. They could pivot, be very dramatic pivots. But seeing as there aren't any elections there at the moment, they could pivot to China and say, look, we'll give you the right ostensibly for the reconstruction redevelopment of Ukraine. And we've always said for three years that the real grift is going to come in the rebuilding of Ukraine. They could sell out to China. Not suggesting it's likely, but given US sensibilities right now, it's a card that they could play. Okay, so let's look at the AfD. Big, big news yesterday in Germany, the federal elections, and the AfD did reasonably well, practically doubled its vote, its percentage of the vote from about 10.3 to 19 and a half percent. That's a huge success whichever way you look at it. It's not the 25% that some people were forecasting. But what this does mean, Steve, is that the AfD, the alternative for Deutschland, together with the defeated Social Democratic Party, the party of Olaf Scholz, the outgoing chancellor, these now have a blocking minority and they can stop constitutional changes. Technically, Germany doesn't have a constitution as a basic law, but it's already in discussion having that basic law amended to allow Germany to take on more debt to finance Ukraine. The left, I know I've got to give away for a break, Steve, but the left have already said that they will only countenance changes to the constitution in taking on more debt. If that money goes in to infrastructure spending, they're not about to spend more money on Ukraine.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I tell you what, we're going to Do. Let's go to a. Do we. Let's, let's go and play. Miles, we take a quick break here. We're going to return in a moment on War Room. Let's go ahead and take the. Let's go and play the. Play the song. Let's go. We'll be back in a moment.
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Brian Glenn
Everything just beginning for the games you.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Want to play Bring it on and.
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Brian Glenn
I'll fight to the end Just watch.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And see it's all started Everything's begun and you are over Cause we're taking down the CCP Spread the word all through Hong Kong we will fight till they're all gone we rejoice when there's no more let's take down the CCP they have all life for too long we will end what they do wrong Spread the word on their own Come let's take down the CCP to put it back like A little longer and you will surrender.
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Brian Glenn
Let the bullet fly.
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Stephen K. Bannon
A little longer we will have freedom to live we will win you surrender Let the bullet fly a little longer.
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Brian Glenn
Let the bullet fly a little longer.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Let the bullet fly a little longer.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Does the deal include security, helping to secure Ukraine, and do you expect Zelensky to sign? Sign it.
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Scott Bessant
I do expect that President Zelensky will sign. It does not. What it does not include is a military guarantee, but what it does include is an implicit guarantee that if the United States of America is heavily invested in the economic future. You know, I call it an economic security guarantee. The more assets that US Companies have on the ground, the bigger interest that the US has in the future of Ukrainian economy doing well, the more security it creates for the Ukrainian people and the higher the return for the US Taxpayer. Again, President Trump has structured this win, win deal. And it's unfortunate that after my meeting with President Zelensky and then his meeting in Munich with Vice President Vance, Secretary of State Rubio, the idea here of my trip to Ukraine and then the meeting in Munich, we want to intertwine the US And Ukrainian economies for the benefit of both. And unfortunately, President Zelensky seems to put a bit of daylight between us. But I am sure in the long run or in the short run, there is no daylight. The deal will be signed and this will give President Trump a lever, and it will be a strong signal to Russian leadership that the US Is in a serious partnership with the Ukrainian people.
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Stephen K. Bannon
President Zelenskyy is speaking right now, saying today that he was willing to give up his position if it meant peace in Ukraine, quipping that he could exchange his departure for Ukraine's entry into NATO. Zelenskyy also says he wanted to see Donald Trump as a partner to Ukraine and more than simply a mediator between Kyiv and Moscow. I want it to be more than just mediation. That's not enough, he told a press conference just moments ago. Your reaction? Is this also suggesting that there could be a change in leadership in Ukraine?
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Scott Bessant
You know, Maria, I try to stay in my economics and finance lane. So what? This is the first that I've heard about it. But at some point, Ukrainian people, it's a democracy. They're going to have an election and they will democratically elect a leader. President Zelensky has been a wartime president and we've seen in the history of this, Winston Churchill is a fantastic wartime leader. And then the British people decided to move on after he had done a great job during World War II.
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Ben Harnwell
Welcome back, folks. I'm just going to finish off with the point that I was making just before the break, but following on from what U.S. treasury Secretary Scott Bessant is saying that I caution the war room posse not to be too invested in these arguments about entwining, to quote him, the US Economy and Ukrainian economy, because it's not so much the entwining of economies that I think the posse is interested in, it's the entwining of the military infrastructures. And the this is this show has been absolutely constant here on for three years on this issue. The US Military, the United States must disengage from Ukraine rather than look for excuses and pretexts to bind itself ever further in. And that's exactly what Treasury Secretary Bessant is doing. He's providing a pretext, a visible pretext for behind the scenes further investment. Why do I say this, Denver, if you'd be very kind and put up the second asset which you have, headline, Zelensky says US Mineral Deal Must Include Military Guarantees. There we have it. That's from the Mining Weekly publication. They know exactly what this is all about. The idea that you can use the term security guarantees or you can use the modern lingo that's just been introduced over the last seven or so days. A backstop, whatever jargon you want to use. The point here is that the US Military is not going to be allowed to disengage. And in fact, talking about the US military, and I'll hand over to Stephen in just a moment on this, someone who did wear the US military uniform when he was younger, as did his daughter, as did a number of members of his family. My own brother was, was in the UK Navy as, as, as a, as a career, as a career engineer in, in the Navy. The point about, I think for young people putting on military uniform isn't, isn't. It's a manifestation of the, the absolute heroism that, and patriotism that a citizen is capable of showing for their own country, for their country. That's why we call these things ministries of defense rather than offense. The issue here for using, as this headline points out, military guarantees about US soldiers in an area of which the US has no vital national interest is that these soldiers aren't just being used here by billionaires to defend America's interests. They're effectively, and I use the term advisedly here, but the US Military is effectively being prostituted out to act not as a national defense force for a country, but as mercenaries. That's exactly what we're talking about here. We're talking about the US Military being provided as a mercenary force to protect the interest of American oligarchs going into Ukraine for the apparently trillions of dollars worth of infrastructure there. It's absolutely not acceptable. And to some extent I would use the word betrayal. It's a betrayal of what this movement, the MAGA movement, the America First Movement is founded on. And I'll tell you why I use such a heavy word as betrayal, because this is exactly the same logic that was used to employ the first Gulf War and the second Gulf Gulf War is justification. We all know that was about oil. First Gulf War, Bush 41 and Dick Cheney. Second Gulf War, Bush 43, Dick Cheney again, Liz Cheney's beloved father, and Donald Rumsfeld. The whole point about that was to create stability in the oil market because America is an exporter of oil. And I cannot think of an American presidency, American administration, more hated and loathed even by its own members than the Bush dynasty, the Bush family dynasty. And it is tragic to see some people in the orbit around Donald Trump using exactly the same arguments that the Neocoms were using in the 90s and in the first decade of this millennium using exactly the same arguments to justify exactly the same thing in a different country, Ukraine, of which, I repeat, America has no national vital interest. If there are minerals and rare earths buried largely, mostly in the Donbass in the Russian occupied part of Ukraine, then any country can trade with them. That's how things are done. It's enough of the war and enough of the pretext. This movement has been absolutely clear from the start. America needs to disengage from Ukraine. Okay, stay, stay tuned, folks. We'll be back after this short break in just a couple of moments.
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