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Episode 4322: DOGE Stirs Tension Among The Cabinet; The Last Place For Dems To Go Are The Courts
Episode 4322: DOGE Stirs Tension Among The Cabinet; The Last Place For Dems To Go Are The Courts ...
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Steve Bannon
Honest guy get on the plane. I'll even talk. I'll talk. I'll talk to the Sigs. I'll talk. I'll talk to the Sigs about bumping you to business. True story. True story. I, I, I hope I didn't get anyone in trouble by exposing it out air, but we'll talk another time. Steve, I'll speak to you over the weekend. Have a great weekend, you guys. And you too, folks. The bowling crew. Eric Bowling, the best. That's a real compliment. That'd be a hell of an interview. Particularly what's going on today. Lavrov, you know, is a, oh gee, original gangster. I would love to see that interview. Okay. So much going on today. The president is shortly going to leave on a Marine one. We will get that when it's available. Let's go ahead and play. We have a cold open about the New York Times broke a story. There's a lot we don't know about what happened at the Cabinet meeting yesterday. It's now coming to light a little a tad controversial. This makes the true social that the president put out very clear. It is Friday, 7 March, the year of our Lord 2025. Let's go ahead and let it rip.
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Mike Davis
Reduced to the role of spectator, the Time cites five people with knowledge of the confrontation reports this about an argument between Elon Musk and Marco Rubio. Quote, you fired nobody, musk told Rubio, then scornfully added that perhaps the only person he had fired was a staff member from his Department of Government Efficiency. Rubio had been privately furious with Musk for weeks, ever since his doge team effectively shuttered an entire agency that was supposedly under Rubio's control, the United States Agency for International Development. Musk was not being truthful. Rubio said, what about the more than 1500 State Department officials who took early retirement in buyouts? Didn't they count as layoffs? He asked sarcastically whether Musk wanted him to rehire all those people just so he can make a show of firing them again. Then he laid out his detailed plans for reorganizing the State Department. Musk was unimpressed. He told Rubio he was, quote, good on tv, with a clear subtext being he wasn't good for much else. Where was Donald Trump in all this? The Times reports that he sat back as if he was watching a tennis match. Ultimately, he, quote, intervened to defend. Wait for it. Rubio said he was doing a great job. Rubio has a lot to deal with. The president said. He's very busy. He's always traveling and on TV and he has an agency to run. So everyone just needs to work together, end quote. And then for the first time since his inauguration, Trump put some restraints on Elon Musk. From this reporting quote, from now on, he said the secretaries would be in charge. The Musk team will only advise joining our coverage. Host of MSNBC's Politics Nation, President of the National Action Network, the Rev and Al Sharpton joins us. Christy and Michael are still here. Rev I I have been watching the Bannon Musk power struggle with keen interest since it first emerged during the campaign. And I think I said on television, do not ever bet against the guy who was willing to go to jail to not testify before Congress. And the guy who sort of, I don't know if his life, I don't know enough about his life, but who seems to understand the base and the most powerful elements of the Trump base better than anybody in Trump land, and that is Steve Bannon. And I don't have any idea if Bannon has any role in all this. But it does seem like Musk has stumbled not by taking more attention from Trump, which is how most people stumble, but by dirtying him up politically. The things that Musk is doing are not popular among Republican voters in Republican districts.
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. There's not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, folks, it is Friday 7th March. Your alert 2025 want to thank I really like doing that that handoff from Eric Bolling. I've known Eric for so long and such a great guy, such a great newshound. We have a lot to talk about. New York Times explosive story out today with many witnesses and it hasn't been denied by anybody. So I know the New York Times and particularly Maggie, right? President Trump's favorite Maggie Haverman. Does President Trump say fake news but it hasn't been denied by anybody and it's been out there for a while and it's causing a firestorm about this. The Cabinet meeting was a brawl. It may be the most contentious Cabinet meeting. I guess it wasn't an official Cabinet meeting, but it did take place, I believe, in the Cabinet Room and not the, not the Roosevelt Room, which is right across the small hall from it. They're all basically connected to the Oval Office, maybe the most contentious meeting ever held there. Even more contentious than a couple times they almost had fist fights during the Cuban Missile crisis with some of the Joint Chiefs. But very, very, very fascinating about what's going on. Particularly we think we started the show this morning, had we start at the White House with Chip Roy and Chip had just come out of the meeting with the president talking about, guess what, the cr, the financing, you know, it's all industry linked with this financial plan, an economic plan that Scott Bessens talking about, that markets are reacting to all of it. This is all kind of, you know, geopolitics, geo economics, capital markets, what President Trump's trying to do. And Chip, I think for the first time we got kind of the official little bit of official bad news that the White House and the president and everybody are talking about a clean cr, which this audience is not going to be thrilled with, not going to be happy with right now with no Democrats that are going to vote for the president in the House. That means, because Tom Massie is probably going to be a hard no, as he always is, that means that essentially with what we got, I think you might be able to lose one other. That means all the Freedom Caucus, all this audiences, congressmen are going to have to vote for. The government's going to shut down. And we talked about Doge and the lack of specificity of the numbers. There's still been a big concern we're going to get into all of that. But there's other breaking news. So on the legal side, I got Mike Davis here. I want to play the, I want to play the law firm first. We're going to talk legal and then we'll talk Dan Bongino. So there's so much going on. President Trump's getting ready to leave. We're going to cover all this live. We've got some amazing guests this afternoon. Josh Phillips from Epoch Times is going to join us. The Epoch Times, it turns out, is under an onslaught of cyber warfare attacks from the Chinese Communist Party. The FBI has kind of broken that case today. Talk about Chinese nationals here. They're working for the ccp. We'll get that. Charlie Kumar's here to talk about Scott Besant tariffs, all of it. And he's saying, hey, the ability to bring back millions of jobs back here to the United States is really the key. And Terry Schnell is going to draw. So we're packed for the next couple hours. Let's go ahead and play the Perkins Coy thing. And I'm going to bring in. I'm going to bring in the Mike Davis.
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Mike Davis
In the latest chapter of Donald Trump's promised retribution. He has signed an executive order against a law firm called Perkins Coie. The executive order is a sweeping directive. It bans the federal government from hiring this one firm or from using contractors who work with this one firm except in very limited circumstances. The executive order also bars this firm, Perkins Coie, and pull employees from entering any federal building and suspends all of their security clearances. It is a direct hit against one of Trump's perceived political enemies in the private sector. The Washington law firm has, among many clients, represented Hillary Clinton and the DNC during the 2016 presidential race. Perkins Coey also handled the 65 lawsuits that the Trump campaign filed in their efforts to overturn his defeat in 2020 when he ran against Joe Biden. That firm won all but one of those cases in excess of 60 cases against team Trump. Thanks in large part a friend of this program, Mark Elias, who once worked at the firm. See, the dots are all connected. A spokesperson for Perkins Coie calls the executive order, quote, patently unlawful. They intend to challenge it. The Washington Post describes Trump's retaliation like this quote. The move could have a chilling effect on law firms willingness to take on clients and cases that run counter to the Trump administration, challenging a fundamental tenet of the rule of law in the United States, that everyone should have access to legal representation.
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Steve Bannon
Okay, this is massive. The law firms run this town and they are out of control. They run it as with an iron grip. And President Trump is bound and determined to break that iron grip. And this is going to be flat out warfare. Mike Davis, the viceroy, she also, she mentions Mark Elias, but she fails to mention the senior partner. I think it's Bob Bauer, who's not just Biden's lawyer, Right. I think he's married to Anita Dunn. I mean, there are a couple like Kagan and Victoria Nuland. It's one of these demonic couples. You know, Bill and Hillary Clinton. These Democrats are these demonic couples. This is a power players law firm. And the Trump White House is going to war with it. And, hey, what I admire about them. They ain't backing down. They're coming right back today in court. Mike Davis, your thoughts?
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Al Sharpton
So the President of the United States is the commander in chief under our Constitution. And as the commander in chief, the president and the President alone gets to decide who has access to classified information. And so if the President of the United States does, doesn't want Perkins Coie or any other law firm or person person to have access to classified information, that is his absolute right. And I don't think it's reviewable by a court. And I would also say this, isn't this the same Perkins Coie that's made up the Russian collusion hoax back in 2016 that ran to the FISA court and got an illegal spy warrants, lied to the FISA court, got an illegal spy warrants on then presidential candidate Donald Trump. They continue to spy on President Donald Trump when he was the President of the United States. They colluded with intel agencies and law enforcement to make up Crossfire Hurricane. So this law firm has proven that it can't be trusted with our nation's most classified secrets because they politicized and weaponized Crossfire Hurricane, which is the biggest scandal in American history. They hobbled the president and they continued the lawfare against President Trump after he left office. The four indictments for non crimes, they tried to throw him off the ballot for a, under a bogus theory under the Constitution. They underfunded Trump's Secret Service protection and tried to take off its head. They know that President Trump and Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel are going to get to the bottom of Crossfire Hurricane and it's going to make a lot of heads roll in Washington D.C. so is coming.
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Steve Bannon
So if you, if you, I think it was a Tom Cruise movie. I think I had Gene Hackman years ago called the firm, right? And his kid gets out of law school and he thinks he's working for a white shoe firm. And, and he finds out that there are all kind of criminal activities and they're working with the mob and they're working with bad guys. I mean, Perkins, Coey and Covington and Burleigh, these are two big time law firms but they're edge players. And President Trump, there's a bigger thing here. I mean he's using the, he's using the classification but his intention, I'm sure is to cut him off from any government contract, worker, lobbying or anything. He wants to put him out of business because of Bob Bauer. What does this mean? You know, President Trump's got enough enemies when he goes to the center of the power structure of Washington, D.C. are the law firms. Am I incorrect on that? Mike Davis not at all.
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Al Sharpton
And I would tell these big corporate clients who hire Perkins Coie and Covington, it might not be the best bet you're making as from your corporation to hire either of those law firms for any matter that's before the federal government. I seriously doubt those clients are going to have the best representation with Covington and Burling and Perkins Cooey.
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Steve Bannon
Mike Davis, can you hang on for a second? I got a few more things to go through on this issue. I want to talk some overall legal because now, particularly with the C.R. the theory of the case here is about impoundments. The theory of the case up on Capitol Hill with Lindsey Graham and those guys are rescissions. Either way, we're going to be headed to a court, a federal court. Also, Dan Bongino. They're really going after Dan Bongino today in the FBI. All of it. I got the Viceroy from the Article 3 project. The founder, the one, the only Mike Davis. We're gonna take a short commercial break. Burchgold, take your phone out. Text the following Bannon that would be me, B A N N O N at 989-898. Get the free brochure that you should read now more than ever. Investing in Gold in the Era of the Ultimate Guide Understand why gold is a store of value and a hedge against times of financial turbulence because they are upon us. 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That's why I'm glad I got Mike Davis here because I got to ask some theoretical stuff about the Supreme Court, which is way beyond my expertise. It's not my line of country and it's above my pay grade. Anyway. Birchgold.com, make sure you talk to Philip Patrick and theme we do these relationships with sponsors and one of the things the condition press is they have to make senior people available to you. So we want to make sure that happens and happens today. Birchgold.com Bannon into the dollar empire. But more importantly, get to Philip Patrick and the team. Mike, I'll take this in the context of the so we had Chip on today and the audience were not manning the ramparts yet because there's things still in motion, still flux over the weekend to put this deal together. But in its best case, brother, we're going to have to take a risk that because Doge doesn't really have numbers yet, but they're coming in numbers. And it's kind of confusing what Elon's got and what he doesn't have. And that's one of the reasons for this blow up both at the Senate lunch yesterday and at the or the day before, I guess on Wednesday and then at the Cabinet meeting yesterday or this kind of quasi Cabinet meeting. And this is that, you know, we're on the series issue of impoundment. You know, we've been, you know, Russ Vote, Mark Paoletta, Mike Davis, others, hey, we're going to have this. But when I look at what's going on and we love Pam, right? And there was this Epstein issue, she says she's getting to the bottom of it but it's like the SDNY was hiding stuff. I mean, the sdny, I thought we were cleaning house. I still see that there were all these U.S. attorneys that Biden picks. And you know how that is. It just can't be. You got to get rid of all of them. It's a bacillus in the system. I see other times we're losing. And I'm not pointing the finger at anybody. What I'm saying is that I know we got a team or putting together as going along. Guys are getting confirmed. Todd Blanche just got there. But we're at war. And one of the biggest avenues of warfare. And this gets back to the top of the show with Perkins Coy and Covington and Burley that the town is run by lawyers. Most of these big law firms are stacked with Democratic partners, and they're all intermarried and went to school with each other. It's a whole network, and it's just little Omega, right? We got a handful of guys like Mike Davis coming off the. From blowing in from Iowa and on the ski slopes in Colorado. And you know, we're outgunned. So we got to be at the top of our game. And I'll be honest with you, I'm not feeling it right now when it comes to the legal side. And I realize I got some good people and people are coming on board, but we have. We don't have the option of not being at our best because the central line of attack with everything else is going to be legal. And that's why they think they're going to grind us up and chop Trump up. And that's why Trump's going on offense. Just. You're. Am I. Is that too. Do you see where I'm going on this, sir?
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Al Sharpton
I do, but remember what they're trying to do in this administration. I mean, we. President Trump campaigned on the fact that he's going to hire Elon Musk and Doge and they're going to lay waste to the federal government's waste, fraud and abuse. And I don't think that the American people or anyone really expected Elon Musk to be able to move this quickly. I mean, he within days was ripping the sign off of usaid. And so, of course, you're seeing an unprecedented lawfare challenge to this, because President Trump won the White House. We won back the Senate. We kept the House. The only place where these Democrats have to go now is to the courts, and they're bringing dozens of lawsuits to these activist judges all over the country. And so, you know, it's because of the unprecedented moves that President Trump is making with these executive orders with Doge to fulfill his campaign promises and the unprecedented number of lawsuits in response. I mean, it would be hard for any fully staffed Justice Department to keep up, let alone a Justice Department at the very beginning that is stacked with Democrats. Right. And so I don't want to lay blame on anyone's doorstep, because it's just.
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Steve Bannon
Yeah, I'm not.
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Al Sharpton
And so I'm.
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Steve Bannon
I'm also. I'm also not trying to. Yeah, I'm not trying to blame. But I guess you're. What you're saying is, hey, yo, you got days of thunder. We had a couple of years to work through where we want to go, policy wise. We had a longer time to work on the executive orders. They were tighter. But as their. Their counter is with Lawfare, again, the scale of it, you're saying we're just gonna have to figure out how to scale up, I guess, on the. On the counterattack, is what you're saying, correct?
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Mike Davis
Yeah.
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Al Sharpton
I mean, I talked to Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, regularly. I went and met her last week in her office for over an hour. She's on top of her game. She just. She just needs help. They just. The Senate just confirmed Todd Blanche yesterday, the deputy Attorney General. Look, the Senate's actually. I want to give John Thune credit for this. We gave him a bunch of crap early on about, you know, giving the Senate an attitude adjustment. But after we gave these senators an attitude adjustment, they've actually been confirming these nominees at a record pace. It just takes a long time. I ran the nominations for the Justice Department when I was the chief counsel for nominations back in 2017. It takes a long time. Hell, it took 18 months last time to confirm Jeff Clark to be Assistant Attorney General at the. At the Justice Department. We're getting ready to confirm Gail Slater, the assistant Attorney General for antitrust, next Tuesday. Right. So they are moving fast. It just naturally takes a long time to staff up, but they're actually moving at a record pace. And then while they're getting staff staffed up at a record pace, you have President Trump, who is ready to govern on day one, and he is just coming out and throwing haymakers with these executive orders. And then you have the nerds at Doge who are, like, autistic and remarkably smart, are figuring out ways with their coding nerd stuff that they're doing, that they're just ripping apart these agencies. And so we've never seen anything this. I guess my Message is it's going to be a bumpy road here for the next several months until they're fully staffed up, but it's worth it.
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Steve Bannon
You know, it's interesting, I would connect some dots that you said that, that this is some of the controversy that led to the confrontation yesterday. Number one, I do, and I'm a big supporter of Doge and getting in there and deconstructing administrative state. I want to make sure we stick the landing. This is number one, like the numbers for this cr. We got it. We just have to have something. Number two, but it goes back to your point, and particularly Thune, and I been very critical of Thune, but I agree with you. When he got the message on the confirmations, folks, we ran the table on confirmations. Nobody thought we'd do that. Nobody thought we'd do that. And I think that was part of the controversy at this lunch. The Senate's getting in is saying, hey, we've confirmed all these guys and many are controversial, but we went there, we confirmed them, we had their back, and we've taken some heat from it. Why does it seem like Doge are doing some of these things and not the Cabinet? I think that actually led and that was tied to, I think, doing the guys going, we've given you the Cabinet you want. And although they looked risky at first, we're pretty impressed. You're pretty impressed. Let's get on with it. Is there anything you see happening on the counterattack right now whether trying to hold up Doge? Because right now, they said last night, I think they ruled some judge rule last night, Trump can't fire. I think there's five other situations where the chief executive of the government cannot terminate a guy. But do you see anything that's playing out, although we may be losing a few right now that causes you concern that we're not going to be able to execute kind of the unitary theory of the executive as far as chief executive, commander in chief of the armed forces and chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer of the United States in the office of the presidency.
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Al Sharpton
Sir, I am 100% optimistic that we are going to bring major, crucial transformation to the executive branch over the next four years, because President Trump is fully committed to it and he has very good people helping him implement that, whether it's White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, OMB Director Russ Vogt, Mark Paoletta is his general counsel over there. Elon Musk is bringing his outsider mindset, his business mindset. He's going to break every piece of China in the executive branch. And then you're going to see that backfilled with Russ Vogt and Mark Paoletta picking up the pieces and actually implementing it. And so there is actually a method to this madness. These activist judges, I am pummeling them every day politically, so they're gonna, they're gonna finally back, back down. I'm helping the Supreme Court justices find and keep their backbones after initial, you know, consternation from the weaker links on the Supreme Court. We saw this with the Cabinet, Steve. We remember they're all dead on arrival. Cash Patel, Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. They're all dead on arrival. It's amazing what can happen when you do a media blitz on Bannon show and then have the war room have 60,000 people make 250,000 phone calls, emails and text messages. I call it an attitude adjustment. So we gave the Senate an attitude adjustment. We'll give the Supreme Court an attitude adjustment. It's going to be a bumpy run here for the next several months, but we will win.
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Steve Bannon
Can I hold you for just a few minutes on the other side? I wanted to, as we go into the weekend, because it's pretty evident now what's going to happen next week and how we're going to have to start thinking about this. We haven't seen the final deal, but this is all going to be contingent, Mike, upon this theory of impoundment, with the backup being rescissions. And I want to talk about both. I know you come from the Senate, you understand the power of the Senate, and also you've worked very closely with Mark Palette and the team on this issue of impoundment. I think it's important. I just want the war room posse to kind of have it in their head as we go into the weekend without a deal, how the linchpin of this is may be actually found in a court of law in a federal court sometime in the next couple of months. Short commercial break. We're going to return in a moment. By the way, my favorite Field of greens, Real Organic Superfood. It's not the synthetic one, or I shouldn't say synthetic, not organic. The process here is unbelievable. You feel great. It is great for your body, but more importantly, you get an energy boost. Field of greens.com Bannon get a discount today. Real organic superfood. Short break. Back in a moment. Health isn't just a personal issue. It's a family issue, a community issue. We're living in unpredictable times Supply chains can break down, hospitals can get overwhelmed. And let's not even start on the natural disasters. These aren't hypotheticals. They're happening. You see it here in the war room, and we all know it. The question is simply, are you ready? That's where Jace comes in. This isn't just a kit. This is a Jace case. It's a lifeline. It's a personal supply of prescribed emergency medications that puts the power back in your hands. Whether it's an unexpected illness or a global disruption of supply chains, you can act fast and protect yourself and your loved ones. This February, show them you care in a way that really matters. Be prepared. Get the Jace case today so you'll have the right meds on hand the moment you need them. Visit jacemedical.com and use the code Bannon. B A N N O N at checkout for a discount on your order. That's jacemedical.com promo code Bannon. Get the Jace case and do it today. We're joined together by this noble dream. Have you got that? So it's just all the good people but the second line, part of this family. And the last line. We're joined together by this noble dream. Do that with me. This is a song for all the good people Come on. All the good people who are part of this family this is a song for all the good people we're joined together by this noble dream well, this is a song for all of those dreamers we're looking for answers to come our way Scientists, Doctors, students all seekers share in the hopes for a much brighter day Come on now this is a song for all the good people all the good people who are part of this family this is a song for all the good people we're joined together by this noble. My production team is very into music, so I thought they're making this up. No, that is not Pete Seeger. I am actually gobsmacked at that. Mike Davis, you've been around this town a lot longer than I have. But in the 16 transition, after we went to 17, that individual was presented to us as the single most powerful person in the United States government. That is Dr. Francis Collins. And there he's. That is singing today, earlier, I think, or yesterday at a anti Trump rally. You can't make this up to tell people how powerful Collins was. I mean, he really didn't even want to come and meet Trump in the transition. He was that powerful. He was like the. You know, he was that powerful because he took NIH money and spread those billions of dollars around to every congressional district at every university in the country and was virtually untouchable by Congress. And there you see him out there. I mean, does he actually think he can sing? I mean it's bizarro land.
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Al Sharpton
Mike Davis so Francis Collins was at the National Institutes of Health for a long time. And each one of these institutes, it's run by the director of the National Institute of Health and eventually he became the director of under President Obama. So I called the director of the Pope because they think they're infallible. And then each one of the institute directors within the National Institutes of Health has a director and I call them the cardinals. And so when I was young, 20 some years ago, I worked at HHS and I had to work with the Pope and these cardinals to fill their scientific advisory boards to make sure that the money, the billions of dollars that NIH doles out to their buddies for grants isn't being misspent or isn't being used to fund gain of function research in the Wuhan lab in China that led to Covid and the deaths of millions of people and the destruction of our economy for many years. And so I remember working with Francis Collins during that time of my life in 2001, in 2002, when he was a mere cardinal. He was a cardinal for one of the institutes before he got elevated to be a Pope. But these people actually think that they really do think that they are the Pope and the cardinal, that this is a separate. They're holy and they're not accountable to anyone. Particularly not accountable to the President of the United States.
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Steve Bannon
Oh no. We were like passing through. He was permanent by the way. He's Tony Fauci's boss. I mean Fauci was a grundoon. This guy's the man, right? You couldn't touch him. But look at he's now actively, you know it just retired under a big controversy, right? He's now actively part of the anti the never Trump campaign, the anti Trump resistance. They're having sit ins right now and he's trying to be Pete Seeger like in the anti war movement back in the 60s. Mike this what's going to happen before Monday the 14th is the term of Cr Johnson tells the day a probably delivered Tuesday. He promises it's going to be close to clean as possible. So theoretically it's not going to be 1500 pages. Best case we're going to talk about attaching or maybe Elon just gives us some directional where we stand with the Doge Money right now, which could be 50 billion, 100 billion, who knows? And that that will, then the commitment will be. Because they can't do it now. The commitment will be after you pass the CR that sometime relatively quickly, Russ, vote, pay a letter. And those guys would go to the President and they will present to him, you know, items that they don't think either outside of programmatically or behind schedule, or he just doesn't see how they fit in. And they will go and challenge on the basically impound the money and dare either Congress or the courts to say anything about it. How sure are you of this theory, of the case? Because the other is rescissions, which the White House doesn't want to use, because that's essentially going back to Capitol Hill. And you have to, you have to jockey there and get another vote. They want to do impoundment. They believe they have the right to do it. They believe that the appropriations bill, when they talk about the Constitution, that's a ceiling, not a floor. I mean, what odds do you put on this given the fact that we're still hung up with the spending of the $2 billion, sir?
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Al Sharpton
Well, regardless of what you think about Russ Boat and Mark Paoletta's views on impoundment, which is that these appropriations by Congress are a ceiling, not a floor, which I agree with. But even if you don't, even if you don't agree with that, at a minimum, the President has the power under Article 2 of the Constitution as the chief executive officer for domestic spending, as the commander in chief, especially for foreign aid, for foreign spending, for defense. The President has that power under the Take Care clause to make sure that there is not waste, fraud and abuse. And if he's finding waste, fraud and abuse, he can cut that out, he can impound it. He can make sure we're not spending money, for example, on transgender mice research that Congress never intended. Remember what we're doing with these appropriations, Congress is just doing big blocks of appropriations and delegating to the executive branch a huge amount of discretion on what they can spend this money on. And so President Trump and his team, like Russ, voted omb, Elon Musk, Mark Paoletta, they can just say, look, this is wasted money and we want to take care that this money is not wasted. So we're going to send it back to the Treasury. We don't need this money. And they can do the same thing, particularly as commander in chief. For example, let's say that Congress passes a law saying that we're going to appropriate $100 billion to Gaza for humanitarian relief. And then the President finds out that that money going to supposed humanitarian relief in Gaza is actually going to fund Hamas terrorism that's going to kill American citizens. Right. Of course, the President as Commander in Chief can prevent that money from, from going to Gaza and then to Hamas terrorists. But remember, this is what they did to President Trump before when they impeached President Trump for impounding money for Ukraine. But the president absolutely has the power, at a minimum, to impound, waste, fraud and abuse or impounds dollars that are against our national security interest.
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Steve Bannon
So how quickly you think that we actually had to end up there and how quickly you think the Supreme Court acts on this? Let's say we go to the impoundment on, in 30 days. How long you think this takes?
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Al Sharpton
I think that you're going to have an active Democrat activist judge do a temporary restraining order, probably ex parte nationwide injunction immediately. They'll go to one of these whack job judges in D.C. or Sheldon Whitehouse's buddy up in Rhode island or some other left wing judge, and then it should get to the Supreme Court quickly. And it really depends on if the Chief justice and Justice Amy Coney Barrett are actually going to follow the Constitution and allow the duly elected President of the United States to carry out his electoral mandates and go after waste, fraud and abuse in our federal government, or if they're going to come up with excuses procedurally to prevent that from happening. If they're going to say, for example, that these bogus TROs that these activist judges are issuing, they're illegal, they're unconstitutional, and they're not even temporary restraining orders, they're not even TROs, they are preliminary injunctions with nationwide, you know, with nationwide effects. If the Supreme Court's gonna say that those aren't appealable because they're TROs, they're gonna be, they're gonna allow these Democrat activist litigants and judges to play that game, then they're going to hobble the presidency. And here's the bigger problem. And I mean this. You're already seeing the American people get very frustrated with these activist judges. If the Supreme Court does not stop this, if they don't step up and stop these activist judges from sabotaging the President of the United States exercising Core Article 2 executive power to take care that our laws are faithfully executed, to make sure that our foreign aid under the commander in chief clause doesn't go to Hamas terrorist. When the court loses its legitimacy with the American people, it doesn't have an army. The court does not have an army. It does not have an enforcement mechanism. It has to rely on the executive branch to enforce its orders. And so if it loses its legitimacy, it's going to lose everything. So I hope the Chief justice and Justice Amy Coney Barrett understand how grave this is if they don't stop these activist judges from sabotaging the president's Article 2 executive powers. Trump is not stealing legislative power under Article 1 from Congress. He's not stealing judicial power from the supreme court under Article 3. These federal judges are sabotaging the President of the United States over policy and political disagreements. And this is unacceptable. This is a red line and the Chief justice needs to stop it.
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Steve Bannon
How serious is this crisis that's brewing on a 1 to 10 scale, 10 being DEFCON 1 being as high as we could get? Where would you put it right now?
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Al Sharpton
11. Because guess what? I'm hearing from a lot of Chamber of Commerce type lawyers that they're even getting very black pilled on this issue. Like for example, the federal judiciary has about a $10 billion annual budget. And I've proposed that Congress take that $2 billion that this, this radical Canadian citizen Obama judge in D.C. judge Ali has said that the President has to piss away with USAID funding and get it out the door immediately. I have proposed that because the Supreme Court may allow this to happen, that Congress just takes that $2 billion right out of the federal judiciary's budget. 20% cut right away to the federal judiciary's budget. And I'm actually surprisingly hearing even from the Chamber of Commerce FEDSOC wing of the Republican Party, the WEMPs. They're actually pretty, pretty excited about that idea. So I hope the Chief justice understands that by allowing these activist judges to sabotage the presidency, they're creating a constitutional crisis and the federal judiciary is going to lose and lose badly in this process.
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Steve Bannon
Watch this space. Mike Davis, Article 3 Where do people go, sir?
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Al Sharpton
Article 3 project.org, article Number 3 project or follow us on social media. Donate, but only as much as you can afford and then take action. That's the most important thing you can do is when the war room posse gives the Senate or whoever we're targeting an attitude adjustment. It's the most powerful force and politics.
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Steve Bannon
Yeah, Mike, Personal, personal social media so people can follow you.
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Al Sharpton
Well, if I don't get kicked off, it's MRD DM I A M R D M. I have been pretty harsh on Justice Amy Coney Barrett's on there, so hopefully she has an attitude adjust harsh.
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Steve Bannon
Mike Davis, thank you, sir. Appreciate you.
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Al Sharpton
Thank you.
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Steve Bannon
This is quite serious. I've noticed what Mike Davis Chamber really pretty down the middle. Straight conservative, limited government lawyers starting to write really amazing pieces about the judiciary and about the ability to enforce some of these things. We're heading somewhere very quickly that the country's never been before and maybe it's a long time coming. The situation between the courts and these radical judges and President Trump's administration, The shot across the bow, the big law firms. Donald J. Trump is going on offense. Short break. We've seen all the headlines. Cyber attacks on our power grids, drones in the sky, violent attacks on everyday Americans. The ugly truth is no leader, no system can protect you from everything. And the last thing I want is to be standing in line depending on help that may never come. And when crisis hits, food is always the first casualty. Everyone needs it and panic buying makes things worse. You remember this from the pandemic? That's why I've made sure my family is prepared with my Patriot Supply and their four week emergency food kit. It gives you the nutrition you need to stay strong in a crisis. With 2000 calories per day and 100% of your daily value of 12 essential vitamins and minerals, this kit helps keep you going when every meal matters. Right now they're offering 50 bucks off their four week food kit. Go to my patronsupply.com now to grab yours. Don't put this off. Now is the time. Prepare. That's my patronsupply.com to get your four week food kit today. Make sure you're prepared. The crisis is here. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. One Semaphore has a pretty important article. Mark Andreessen has a big conference in the nation's capital next week with many of the big tech oligarchs coming together. Andreessen's an interesting character. He's had behind the scenes, quite a role in staffing, particularly with the Defense Department. I'll talk more about that maybe tomorrow morning if I get some time. His views, I'm told, on transhumanism are not as far away from yours as you think. Andreessen, this article in Semaphore. It's kind of a blockbuster if you're working this problem. Tech leaders pivot away from H1B visa program after populist revolt and it talks about Rokahana, Mark Andreessen, more of these tech folks, Bernie Sanders, others that are working on major reforms to H1BS. Now I have called for a I say the program is a total and complete Sham. There are 85,000 a year. There are millions here. I think I call the program a total sham, but ought to be shut down. Everybody ought to be deported. That's on there. And jobs given to American citizens. So we're going to be adamant about that. But we are winning here. There are going to be significant changes to H1BS. What we want to make sure there's just not done to mollify and to make it go away. We're going to drive this home. Rosemary Jenks and others, by the way, President's getting ready to walk out here momentarily. We will blow the brake. We'll blow the brake. Top of the show. If that, if that occurs. I don't know if we can even do that. Oh, no. We'll toss it over to John Solomon and we'll go to our. The alternative channel. We work off right there, you see the President. Let's go and play. Let's go and cover. There we are. There's the President of the United States. President Trump coming out of the Oval Office. He's walking around. That's walking around the, the Rose Garden. That's kind of that back little, little driveway. He's going to walk out to marijuana. That's a little guard shack they have right there. Not particularly used very much. This is on the south lawn of the. Of the White House. That's the circular driveway. We'll just listen in because they're going to ask some questions. I know he's not going to take questions, but they're shouting questions. I just want to hear the shouts. There we go.
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Al Sharpton
Okay.
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Steve Bannon
There's. There we are right there. Steady, boy, steady. There's the President. This is our own camera. We're honored and privileged to have that. I think our cameraman's Tony Day President gives a salute to the Marine, goes aboard Marine One. Some of the best pilots in the world. Normally some staff will follow him out to the back passageway. Very cramped in there. They're the folks, the senior staff members that are going to go down the football will be in there when that, when that takes off. There's some more there. Looks like Susie Wiles. Susie's hurt her knee. You see her limping there. Susie Wiles, chief of staff. Susie hurt her knee. Made it a little difficult for her to get around here the last week or so. Marine 1. Some of the best pilots in the world. When that takes off, folks, I mean, it lifts straight off and it's an amazing View of Washington D.C. you're right there in the middle. Obviously it's closed airspace, so the only way you could ever see it is being Marine One. But it's a pretty extraordinary 8 to 10 minute flight out to Andrews Air Force Base or I don't know, Joint Base Andrews or we call it Andrews Air Force Base. There's the Marines up with back hatch. We're going to walk down the front gangway. It was the front gangway. We're going to pass off to John Solomon and we will go to our 6 o'clock hour here momentarily. President States heading down to his beloved Mar A Lago. Spending the weekends there. Particularly, you know, February, March, not exactly prime time in prime time in Washington D.C. it's D.C. is always beautiful for spring. That'll be closer to Easter. There we go there. Big press gap this afternoon. Not taking any questions. President Trump every now and again will walk out from the doors of the residence. If you're looking right here, the Oval Office is to your right in the West Wing. The residence, the main part of the White House is to your left. Every now and again the President will come out of the residence and normally stop to the press and take a few questions and head to Marine One. He will head out to Andrews Air Source. Andrews Air Force Base where Air Force One awaits for several hour flight down to Palm beach in a another February, March and April as people know as I think prime time in, in Palm Beach. So it's just fantastic down there. We're very honored today. Brian Glenn, got to ask another question. Real America's voice and I've been a big advocate, we want to take as much of this live as possible with the first, I think streaming service, although right side broadcasting, had some exclusive stream this afternoon. I really want to thank Taylor Bodowich and Stephen Chung and Caroline Levitt, of course, Susie Wiles for, I think, you know, the people diving for balls, if I use a basketball analogy, the people that are really being very scrappy and giving coverage, they're giving not just access but they're also giving us, you know, real, real, real access. Okay, guys, let's, I think we can kill the music. Can we? I. Yeah, there we go, right there. Not that I wouldn't want to play the soundtrack for the right stuff. As the President leaves, we're going to pass this over to John Solomon, the President, United States. President Trump. Another historic day at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. The President lifts off heading to Andrews Air Force Base. Air Force One, there's the Washington Monument. Beautiful shot right there, guys. Fantastic. Love that shot. Isn't ironic. President heading over right now where he gave the speech on the morning of January 6th. Okay, we're going to pass over to John Solomon. We're going to continue on Real America's Voice on our backup channel. We'll also be on Rumble Getter. All of that. You hear it right there. There goes the President of the United States. We're going to continue on at 6 o'clock. Short commercial break and we're take Mike Lindell with us. We'll be back in the War Room in just a moment. Drew Risk high that an IRS agent is about to show up at your home over unpaid taxes or unfiled returns, or that the IRS is about to freeze your bank accounts. Look, understanding your IRS risk level helps you decide how quickly you need to act. Take my advice and find out. Call the experts at Tax Network USA and share your situation. They'll advise if they believe your risk level is high, moderate or low. This is a free service for my audience at the War room and it's 100% confidential. And if your risk is high and you want to resolve your IRS problems, Tax Network USA will do it. Nobody knows the IRS better. 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