Episode 4328: Courts Shine Light On DOGE; Will America See A Government Shutdown

Summary

Bannon's War Room Episode 4328: Courts Shine Light On DOGE; Will America See A Government Shutdown
Release Date: March 11, 2025

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1. Entitlement Spending and Political Dynamics

The episode kicks off with a critical examination of entitlement spending, highlighting its substantial portion of federal expenditures. Unknown Speaker A (00:00) emphasizes, "Race important in entitlement spending, which is... most of the federal spending is entitlements." He argues that reducing these expenditures, estimated at approximately $6.7 trillion annually, could diminish the Democrats' ability to attract and retain illegal immigrants by cutting financial incentives.

Continuing the discussion, Unknown Speaker A (00:29) questions the integrity of the Social Security database, pointing out anomalies such as "20 million people who are definitely dead marked as alive" and absurd loan disbursements to minors: "hundreds of millions of dollars of Small Business Administration loans were given out to people age 11 and under."

2. Government Shutdown and the Stopgap Measure

Mike Johnson, the Republican House Speaker, is at the forefront of preventing a government shutdown. Unknown Speaker D (01:24) provides an overview of Johnson's precarious position: "With Democrats planning to vote against the bill, Speaker Johnson has zero margin for error." The tension is palpable as Unknown Speaker D (01:46) highlights internal conflicts within the Republican Party, noting that "one Republican, Tom Massie, has already announced that he is voting no."

Unknown Speaker A (04:26) expresses confidence in passing the stopgap measure, asserting, "I think there are [enough Republican votes]." Unknown Speaker B (04:34) adds that while some Republicans harbor "legitimate questions and concerns," leadership, particularly Mike Johnson, is striving to maintain unity and order.

3. Judicial Scrutiny of DOGE and FOIA Challenges

A significant portion of the episode delves into the legal challenges facing the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Steve Bannon (05:14) passionately states, "This is the primal scream of a dying regime," criticizing the judiciary's interference.

Unknown Speaker G (08:11) elaborates on a recent court ruling where Judge Chris Cooper mandated DOGE to comply with the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). He argues the ruling is unconstitutional, asserting, "FOIA does not apply to DOGE," and stresses the importance of executive confidentiality: "the founders understood that the executive branch, the President, should be able to operate confidentially."

Unknown Speaker G (10:51) further clarifies DOGE's position within the Executive Office of the President, differentiating it from statutory agencies and reinforcing that FOIA requirements do not extend to it. He forecasts a potential Supreme Court reversal, contingent on the current Chief Justice's disposition.

4. Economic Turmoil and President Trump's Plan

The discussion shifts to the broader economic landscape, with Unknown Speaker B (16:17) addressing concerns about economic instability. Eric Teetzel from the Center for Renewing America (CRA) explains President Trump's efforts to restructure the American economy, focusing on increasing productivity by "putting capital back in the hands of the American worker."

Unknown Speaker B (23:21) brings in perspectives from Eric Teetzel, who counters media narratives claiming an impending recession. Teetzel argues that current economic indicators, when stripped of previous deficit spending, already signal trouble: "If you stripped out the $2 trillion of deficit spending from the Biden economy, they were in a horrific recession already."

5. Potential Government Shutdown and Fiscal Strategies

The episode explores the implications of a possible government shutdown. Mike Johnson (36:13) explains the strategic importance of passing the current stopgap measure: "This is the way to further the president's agenda." He anticipates Senate resistance but remains optimistic about maintaining control: "If we pass a clean CR at Biden, Harris spending levels, Senate Democrats are going to own it and they will have no ground to stand on."

Unknown Speaker B (38:36) adds that a shutdown would inaccurately portray Democrats as obstructive, especially since the current measures do not include mandated spending cuts: "We're voting for something that hasn't cut a dime in the CR from what Biden and Harris were trying to do."

6. Border Security and the El Paso Sector

Todd Bensman (45:43) provides on-the-ground insights from the El Paso border sector, highlighting significant improvements in border security. He reports, "every... crossing... is way down to historic lows," attributing success to stringent enforcement: "100% of those who are caught are being expelled immediately back." Bensman underscores the effectiveness of recent policies, noting a dramatic reduction in unauthorized crossings and improved operational security.

7. Conclusion and Forward Look

As the episode progresses, the hosts and guests outline the path forward, emphasizing the importance of legislative maneuvers to secure fiscal stability and implement President Trump's policies effectively. They discuss the upcoming votes, judicial appeals, and the strategic importance of passing the Consolidated Resolution (CR) to avoid a government shutdown.

Steve Bannon (43:07) wraps up with a call to action, encouraging listeners to stay informed and engaged with the ongoing political and economic developments.

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Notable Quotes

• Unknown Speaker A (00:29): "Why are the 20 million people who are definitely dead marked as alive in the Social Security database?"
• Unknown Speaker D (01:46): "You start a trade war, you got a trade war...the other countries cut off all their imports and we get stuck with our agricultural products overloaded in this country."
• Steve Bannon (05:14): "This is the primal scream of a dying regime."
• Unknown Speaker G (08:11): "FOIA does not apply to DOGE...the President should be able to operate confidentially."
• Eric Teetzel (16:17): "President Trump is the first great president since Ronald Reagan to try and restructure the American economy, not the stock market."
• Mike Johnson (36:13): "We don't love it on principle, but this is the way to further the president's agenda."
• Todd Bensman (45:43): "Every... crossing... is way down to historic lows."

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Insights and Conclusions

The episode provides an in-depth analysis of the interplay between legislative actions, judicial oversight, and executive strategies in shaping America's fiscal and security policies. It underscores the Republican strategy to navigate entitlement spending, resist judicial overreach on executive agencies like DOGE, and prevent a government shutdown through strategic legislative maneuvers. Simultaneously, it highlights significant advancements in border security under the current administration, portraying a narrative of effective governance amidst political challenges.

Listeners are encouraged to stay vigilant and proactive in supporting legislative efforts that align with President Trump's economic and security agendas, ensuring the continuity of governance without disruption.

Transcript

[Unknown Speaker A]

Race important in entitlement spending, which is, all of the, which is most of the federal spending is entitlements. So that's like the big one to eliminate. That's the sort of half trillion, maybe 6,700 billion a year. That is also a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker A]

So this is why the Democrats are so upset about the situation, because they're losing. You know, if we turn off this gigantic money magnet for illegal immigrants, then they will leave and they will lose voters. Why are the 20 million people who are definitely dead marked as alive in the Social Security database? Why were hundreds of hundreds of millions of dollars of Small Business Administration loans were given out to people age 11 and under according to the Social Security? Like these must be some very enterprising eight year olds, you know, and pretty.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Strong hundred and fifty year olds.

[Unknown Speaker A]

Yes, exactly. As the President said, you know, we have an enormous number of people marked as alive who are 160. He didn't know the country was that healthy.

[Mike Johnson]

All eyes are on Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson as he unveiled the stopgap measure. Because with Democrats planning to vote against, against the bill, Speaker Johnson has zero margin for error. They could only lose one Republican vote and still get this through, given the margins. And already right there you see the one Republican, Tom Massie, has already announced that he is voting no.

[Unknown Speaker D]

You know, I have to tell you, when I watched Elon Musk and I watched Trump with this, this whole plan of his to start a trade war, I go back to Smoot Hawley and 1930, they, we lost like 7 billion in trade and exports because of what the other countries did back to us. And they're all doing it right now. This is all in the playbook. You start a trade war, you got a trade war. The other countries cut off all their imports and we get stuck with our agricultural products overloaded in this country. We can't sell them to anybody. It's unbelievable. I look at Trump and I keep thinking, Trump, the Trump casino in Atlantic City, that used to be the big casino. You drove right into Atlantic City and there was that big casino. It's gone. The Trump University, it's gone. Trump shuttle, we haven't taken that lately, have we? That's gone. This idea that things will turn out is right out of Chauncey Gardner in being there. He's going to, he's telling the President, Jack Warren, don't worry, we're going to, we're going to plant in the spring and we're going to sow in the fall and everything's going to be great. It isn't going to be great. This is a trend line. This is an economic, an economic trend line in the market. And it's going to be worse in the next couple of days and worse after that because he has started a trade war that we're going to lose. And it's unbelievable that people believe in it. And Kudlow, when he sat there and made those weird sounds every time Musk said, oh, that's good. Why? They just say you're lying. You're lying. Because people come in this country illegally. Well, they do come in illegally. And they don't get any Social Security benefits. They pay in all the time because they have to use some phony name, but they don't get any benefits from it. And by the way, they don't vote. Got it. Somebody got in trouble for once. Lying. You lie. You know, about the President Obama speaking. They don't vote. You got it, buddy? They don't vote. Maybe you're voting, maybe you're one of the $5 million guys that bought a ticket here, but they don't vote with the poor people coming here looking for jobs. They don't vote, buddy. And why didn't Kudlow say that just like the Democrats on Tuesday night? Why didn't the Democrats rise up and say we are not paying Social Security to 160 year olds? Because there aren't any 160 year olds. They don't exist. Unfortunately. We don't exist at 160. It's all wrong. The lies and the history. The ignorance of this crowd is unbelievable. And there are people out there, the MAGA people don't know any better. They go, that's good. The strange reaction to everything is fine is these grunts they have. And the Democrats are absolutely anemic. I'm sorry, anemic.

[Mike Johnson]

So after the after, do you think there are enough Republican votes to get this passed without Democrats?

[Unknown Speaker A]

I think there are.

[Unknown Speaker B]

You know, there are some very astute Republican members of Congress who have legitimate questions and concerns because they've been here some time and they have seen the CR After CR After CR come about and leadership say, hey, this is going to happen again. Mike Johnson is doing the best he can to turn this aircraft carrier around and get us back to regular order.

[Unknown Speaker E]

It's not a ski boat. It's not going to turn on a dime.

[Unknown Speaker B]

And so this is the first step to doing that. We've got to get another six months under our belt. Get the reconciliation process done. Get the Tax Cuts and Jobs act renewed so we won't have the largest tax increase in U.S. history.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.

[Unknown Speaker B]

I got a free shot.

[Steve Bannon]

All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.

[Unknown Speaker E]

You'Re not going to stop it.

[Unknown Speaker G]

It's going to happen.

[Unknown Speaker B]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Unknown Speaker G]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Unknown Speaker B]

It's Tuesday the 11th of March. Overlord 2025. Okay, another historic day coming. A massive vote in the House. Then it goes over to the Senate. All kind of questions about the economy, President Trump's economic plan that he is refusing to back off. Just moments ago, in truth, social. I think he put the Canadians on notice. He's going to increase, I think by 25%, up to 50% on tariffs on steel and aluminum coming in from Canada. We're going to break all this down. The first thing I want to go to, I've got Dave Bretz, my co host this morning. We are absolutely packed, wall to wall for the next two hours. I want to go to Mike Davis overnight, which the media hasn't totally picked up yet. This another one of the. And folks remember the lines of attack on President Trump's program. One is the media, but the one they've been most effective with because they're not really getting it done legislatively, although I believe that the Democrats are not going to sign on to the House CR I think we're going to have a big fight there. We'll get to the politics in a second. Where they've been most effective is in the courts, particularly with these frontline radical judges. And then whereas some of the appellate courts have not backed President Trump because Mike Davis, I think we got some bizarre rulings like the president can't cut. The $2 billion are still out there in foreign, in foreign relations or foreign aid that he's forced to do. But last night a federal judge went after Doge and essentially said, hey, I need to see. We need to see everything. You're a black box. You have too much power. I don't understand it. This judge said essentially, and you need to, you need to open up everything. Can you explain what happened last night? Because the DOGE effort is actually central to this cr. This is one of the things that the people that are hesitant about signing on, I do believe everybody's going to sign on. They're hesitant about signing on about exactly where the DOGE cuts are and why they're not included now. So what was the argument for this in front of this judge and what was his decision? Sir?

[Unknown Speaker G]

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which is crew, or a left wing radical group that pretends like it's a government watchdog, ran to a D.C. obama activist judge, Chris Cooper, and they got an injunction telling the Department of Government Efficiency, or doge, that they're subject to FOIA and they have to turn over these records. This ruling is clearly wrong. It's clearly illegal. FOIA applies to executive branch agencies that have statutory power to administer programs. That does not apply to doge. Judges are not required to turn over and make public their internal deliberations, their communications with their law clerks and secretaries and other judges and staff members of Congress are not required to turn over their internal deliberations, their conversations with their staff and their colleagues. The President of the United States and his staff are also not required to turn over and make public their internal communications and their discussions with their colleagues that FOIA does not apply to them. And so DOGE reports, it's in the Executive Office of the President. Elon Musk and the DOGE team report to the White House Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles, and they advise the President they don't have statutory administrative functions that would subject them to the foia. So this ruling is clearly wrong. And even if FOIA somehow applies to Doge, that would probably violate Article 2 of the Constitution because the founders understood that the executive branch, the President, should be able to operate confidentially on behalf of the American people. And when you're getting advice from your advisors, you don't want that advice publicly aired because it chills the President of the United States ability to get the best advice for his advisors if they know it's going to get reported in the Washington Post.

[Unknown Speaker B]

By the way, I think I know a guy that that was one of the reasons he went to prison for four months was this very topic. Is this why they put DOGE under the digital service and had it as an advisor to OMB and an advisor, really to the Chief of staff. Is this the reason that DOGE Is there. So it's part of, it's actually a part of the executive and not one of the, not one of the agencies.

[Unknown Speaker G]

So, for example, there's the Executive Office of the President. And as you know, Steve, you were there. There are several components to the executive office of the President. There's the White House office, there's the Office of the Vice President, there's National Security Council, there's Office of Administration, there's Office of Management and budget, there's U.S. trade Representative, and now DOGE. The components of the EOP that have statutory administrative functions that they actually have to execute, carry out statutes, their agencies are like omb. OMB is subject to the Freedom of Information act or foia, but other offices that don't have statutory duties to carry out government, you know, government functions, government grants. Government agencies like the White House office or DOGE are not subject to foia. And that's very clear with the case law. This, this Obama D.C. judge Chris Cooper clearly got this wrong. The D.C. circuit, if they follow the law, they will, they will reverse him. If they don't, it will have to go to the Supreme Court. And I guess it's just going to matter what mood the Chief Justice Nami Coney Barrett are in that day.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Is it, Is it, Did he make in the ruling? Did he actually break it down? These thoughts about foia, or he just miss it?

[Unknown Speaker G]

I think he missed it. He thinks that, oh, wow, DOGE has a lot of power, which it doesn't. That doge's power does not derive from statute, it derives from the President. Right. And that's what makes it not subject to foia. It's not a creature of statute. It's derivative of the president's Article 2 executive powers. And so it's a silly argument. It's by a. Look, this Chris Cooper's not dumb. He's just a partisan hack like too many of these activist judges, particularly on the D.C. district Court.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Now, has the White House overnight responded, or you still think they're working this through? Are they going to ask for expedited review at the appellate level?

[Unknown Speaker G]

That's a very good question, Steve. I haven't seen a public statement on this, but this is a very important issue because this goes to the heart of whether the President can function, whether he can get the best advice from his advisors like Steve Bannon, who went to the clink over this, and Peter Navarro who went to the clink over this. Is Elon Musk going to go to the clink over this? Is he going to go to jail for four months to protect the office of the President, to make sure that the president gets the best advice from his advisors. And again, you're not going to get it's going to change the president's ability to get good advice from his advisors. If this advice is going to get publicly aired, it's going to make these advisors not speak up. And that hurts the president. And so that's the point. Should we ask for Chris Cooper's law clerks to turn over their communications with Chris Cooper or their draft opinions? I mean, this judge is out of his mind.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Okay, Mike Davis is going to stick with us. We're going to drill down a little bit more on this. This is very important about Doge going to get an injunction against him. Also, the president has gone on offense against the legal insurrection that's up against him. Eric Teetzel from CRA about the CR in the economics behind it and what we're doing and the vote today. Dave Brad here about the turmoil and the markets. We're going to talk about. Charlie Gasparino has written a great piece in the Post. I'm not a huge Gasparino fan, but he seems to have nailed this. Want to break it all down. Market turmoil again today and I think every day going forward until President Trump's plans executed. Take out your phone. Text Bannon B A N N o N at 989-898. Birchgold they have a free brochure Investing in Gold and Precious Metals in the Era of Trump. The Ultimate Guide. Not a guide, the ultimate Guide. Get it today. Read it, ask questions to Birch Gold. You don't go out and buy a life jacket when the boat is already sinking. And you don't buy gold when the economy has already collapsed. Clearly others are heeding this advice as gold hit an all time high the first part of 2025 multiple times. It's not too late for you. The company I trust to help you diversify into physical gold is Birch Gold, the company I buy my gold from. Birch Gold specializes in helping you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold for no money out of pocket. Just listen to this five star review, quote knowledgeable, helpful, non pressure, end quote. That's what you get with Burch Gold and that's why I've endorsed them for so long. Get your free info kit on gold by texting the word Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898. There's no obligation, just useful information with an A rating from the Better Business Bureau and countless five star reviews. Text Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898 and let the experts at Birchgold help you secure your financial future today with gold.

[Unknown Speaker G]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Okay, the economy, all this turmoil that's going on, we're going to have Dave, Brett and I going to break it down for you. Eric Teetzel's here from center for Renewing America, the Russ Vogt operation. Talk about the CR today, all of it. Mike Davis, though. So do the Doge guys have to lay down their pencils on this? Is this merely they're being required to turn over all information.

[Unknown Speaker G]

They are being ordered by Judge Chris Cooper to turn over information. So it's not lay down your pencils, but if you use your pencils, we're going to publish it in the Washington Post, which is clearly not what FOIA stands for nor Article 2 of the Constitution. So it looks like another D.C. activist judge, a Democrat operative, an Obama judge, is going to get reversed by the Supreme Court so long as the chief justice and Justice Amy Coney Barrett are in the right mood that day.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Yeah, I mean, this is what I'm warning people about because we've seen this before, is that and this gets to the CR because the CR is about impoundment. You know, the House and the senators Senate is talking about rescissions. The president wants to talk about impoundment. This is going to be one of the big hangouts for the Democrats because they're going to want specific language. I think the Senate, we're going to have a huge fight and kind of a throwdown on this. But I just don't, you know, I'm just not feeling on the court with those two. But hopefully, you know, they'll get tougher and smarter. President Trump's going on offense, though. He's going on offense against these law firms that run the city. And we've seen that we're taking away their security clearances. And I think he's really going after all the government business they get and get them off the tit. But he's also going on offense. This article on Revolver and I'm glad to see Darren Beatty, he's over as undersecretary over at the State Department, hasn't been confirmed yet, but he's kind of acting and revolver still on fire. I don't quite understand this article. How President Trump's using injunction bonds. Is it to go on offense against all these frivolous lawsuits against Him.

[Unknown Speaker G]

Yeah. So under Rule 65C of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, we're gonna. I haven't had civil procedure class in 20 years. But how this works is if you seek an injunction, if you seek a temporary restraining order, which is, you know, a quick injunction essentially, or a preliminary injunction or a permanent injunction. Well, actually it's just TRO and PIs. If you seek at a preliminary injunction or temporary restraining order, under Rule 65C of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, you need to post a bond. So if you lose, the party is not out the money. So for example, if you're trying to force the State Department and USAID to piss away $2 billion in tax payer funds to grantees who the president doesn't want this money to go to, he wants to do a pause to make sure that we're not funding Hamas, terrorism or fraud. If the United States government, if the Trump administration eventually wins that issue on appeal, which it will, then the government needs to be able to recoup those $2 billion in grants that went out to support terrorism and to support fraud. Thanks to D.C. biden Judge Ali, the new judge who just got put on there, Canadian citizen judge. Isn't that great? We have a Canadian citizen, the first Muslim, the first Arab on the D.C. federal bench is a Canadian citizen. And ordering the State department and the U.S. agency for International Development, or USAID, to send $2 billion and grants over the President of the United States. Objection. He wants to make sure there's not fraud or terrorism funding. And Judge Ali thinks he's the Commander in Chief and Justice Amy Coney Barrett and the Chief justice thought that was okay. So what the Trump administration is ordering is for his lawyers to demand that these courts follow the law which requires that you post these appellate bonds if you're suing the government. And so it makes it mess less likely you're going to sue the government if you have to put up, for example, a $200 million appellate bond to make sure that $2 billion is not pissed away by these plaintiffs. And Judge Ali.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Brilliant. Mike Davis. Where do people go to article before you go the judicial insurrection against President Trump. Are they winning right now or are we winning or is it a tie?

[Unknown Speaker G]

No, it's the tide's turning because you had these activist judges who came out and tried to stop President Trump. And then these judges pretend like they're not politicians in robes. They are. You can see that through their actions. And so when they take off their judicial robes and they climb into the political arena and they throw political punches. I make damn sure the Article 3 project throws very hard. Political counterpunch is like we've done with Canadian, Muslim, Arab, Judge Ali and DC and so he's backed down a bit. It's a tactical retreat. But the Article 3 project's going to be on this every second of every day. Trump's not stealing judicial power or legislative power. He's exercising executive power. We're going to make damn sure that happens.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Where do people go to get up to speed on this? Folks in war and posse, we got to be on watch on all of the legal insurrection. It's very important that you make article three part of your daily diet. Where do they go?

[Unknown Speaker G]

Mike, article three project.org article number three project.org you can donate. You can follow us on social media. Take action. That's the most important thing. And we want to take $2 billion out of the federal judiciary's budget, their $10 billion budget and FY 2025 to cover Judge Ali sending $2 billion to terrorism and fraud.

[Unknown Speaker B]

I love this. I don't like it. I love that. Eye for an eye. Old Testament. Mike Davis going Old Testament. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.

[Unknown Speaker G]

Thank you.

[Unknown Speaker B]

The Mike Davis, the Viceroy. Before I get Eric Teachel on here, because today this hangs in the balance. President Trump has whipped his vote. I think we're going to get there in the House, but that's only part of the way there. Teach it. But I want to take Dave, Brett, you're going to be with me for the morning, but I want to limit. Just give me a minute or two on kind of our theory of the case. And really, Charlie Gasparino did a very good job of outlining this today in the New York Post. Just all this turmoil in the markets, it's going crazy. And literally we try to get cuts of all these important topics. They tightly shifted to Trump's bringing on a recession. Trump's imploding the economy. The world's over and it's all Trump's fault. What's the reality of this? What President Trump is trying to do geo. Economically, sir.

[H]

Yeah. President Trump is the first great president since Ronald Reagan to try and restructure the American economy, not the stock market. He cares about the working class. Productivity, as we've gone over on the show for four years in a row is down for 70 years in a row. The one way to enhance productivity, American workers, to put capital back in the hands of the American worker. That's what Trump is doing. $100 billion alone from Taiwan in capital Back in the hands of the American people. How do you do that? You do that through trade policy, the globalists, the mainstream press, and I got some numbers on them for later in the show. But they are misrepresenting everything, right? They're saying credit card debts up. That's true. We've been saying that for four years, right? All the EJ and Tony list of horrors the other day. Debt's up, interest rates are up. Everything, the whole list. Interest on the debt a trillion. The kids were stealing from them. The basic bottom line is they're saying there's a recession coming. We've reported on this show. If you stripped out and several economists I showed this analysis. If you stripped out the $2 trillion of deficit spending from the Biden economy, they were in a horrific recession already, right? Adding 2 trillion plus. I checked the money today, the money still at 7 trillion on the Fed balance sheet. So it's all artificial. Trump's fixing it. That's the bottom line.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Hang on. This is what Gasparino said, which we thought was great, just not tariff, trade, all of it. He also said the addiction, this intervention on the addiction of federal spending and how they've used this massive Keynesian infusion. This is what DOGE is kind of the special forces in there right now for waste, fraud and abuse. The follow on is going to happen this summer is taking these programs apart brick by brick. Pentagon, Medicaid, other social services, social safety net. You got to do that. You're going to have to have some cuts and some of these cuts are going to be painful, whether you're a hawk at the Pentagon in a neocon, or whether you're talking about Medicaid or some of these other food stamp programs. Let me bring in Eric Teitzel. Brett, stay right there. Get your charts ready. Eric Teitzel from Center for Renewing America. So let's talk about this cr. Our audience hates CRS particularly. They hate like mini omnibuses, which this is. I understand there's a theory of the case here, of why we want to do this. People are saying, hey, I've heard this before. I heard it back in December. So let's make the case because we don't get it out of the house and Johnson's only got, I think he can only lose one vote and he's already lost that with Tom Massey, who's been pretty blunt about why he's not there. So Teetzel, walk us through why this audience should be not happy, but begrudgingly say, okay, let's get it out of the House and send it to the Senate, sir.

[Mike Johnson]

Thanks, Steve. Yeah, here I am. And I don't relish the opportunity to defend crs. I keep having to pinch myself and ask if this is really the world in which I'm living in. But it's.

[Unknown Speaker B]

I spent, I spent a weekend, I spent a weekend, I spent the weekend with Russ voting Chip Roy. And trust me, they ain't loving it either. But they, they did the heave too, to get there because of practical reasons and none of them are good. And this is why I think, I don't know why we're in here by leadership got us into this president when President Trump with the weight of the world on his shoulder, all the negotiation with the Russians, what's happening in Saudi Arabia with the Ukraine, President Trump on the economy. He's going up today at 5:00 and we'll hopefully cover it. The Business Roundtable, Scott Besson's there tomorrow to have a discussion from 5 to 6 and we'll try to do a pregame on that. The weight of the world's on this guy's shoulders. And what do we have him do? Yesterday? He's whipping votes in the House. He's literally making phone calls on this thing. Not the best use of the time of one of the greatest presidents in our history. But Eric, the floor is yours. Make the case. Hang on. I tell you what, we're going to go to break. I'll tee you up. When we come back, Eric Teetzel from Center for Newing America. Of course, that's the institution founded by Russ Vogt, Mark Payoletta, Jeff Clark, superstars who are now in the administration and either doing deregulation, as Jeff Clark is, or over at omb. This is a big one today. President Trump saying, hey, I got to have it. You got to get this out of the House for me. I think it's going to await a buzzsaw in the Senate. We're going to talk all about that. Step one, get it out of the House. Eric Teitzel from CRA is going to make the case for that next right here in the war room.

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[Unknown Speaker B]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. I can already. I can already tell it's gonna be that kind of day. It's gonna go late into the evening. I think the next couple days gonna be crazy. Let's get Tasia. Taj, I need a. I need a refill on Warpath Coffee. Where do I go and how do I do it? Sir.

[I]

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[Unknown Speaker B]

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[I]

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[Unknown Speaker B]

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[I]

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[Unknown Speaker B]

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[I]

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[Unknown Speaker B]

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[Steve Bannon]

Sugar in it, brother.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Thank you so much, Taj Gill. Great job.

[I]

Thank you, Steve.

[Unknown Speaker B]

I can make it through the day now and be jacked up all day. We got to be jacked up. So, Eric Tietzel, the CR vote's going to come about the same time President Trump is up at the business roundtable late this afternoon. The plan is why is this something that the Warren posse should support their congressmen on when they take a vote that most of them are very uncomfortable with? Sir.

[Mike Johnson]

Yeah, I think I'm going to need some of the tools on Taj's backdrop if I keep coming on here to promote CRS for much longer. We, we at cra, we often talk about positions versus interests and our position is that CRS are bad, full stop. That's the principle. That's the rule. We know what they're used for, right? There's, there's simply a swamp tactic that's used to get you to an omnibus bill. But we are living in new times that require new paradigms. And in this particular moment, this specific time, with Donald Trump as our president, Russ voted omb, Elon doing the Doge thing and all the other great folks who are put in place all throughout the administration, it is in our interests not to shut the government down, to continue to fund it so that they can continue to Doge, so that we can move on to reconciliation, which is the single most viable opportunity to advance President Trump's agenda legislatively and then to move on using things like impoundment to start to cut some of the spending that is included in this CR. And that will all happen in the next six months. Also during that time, we'll start the FY26 appropriations process. And that's going to be the first real opportunity to get at some of the discretionary spending that is admittedly bad at the Biden Harris levels that are included in the cr. So it's all about practical politics. We don't love it on principle, but this is the way to further the president's agenda. And that's why you have things like the chairman of the House Freedom Caucus at the leadership press conference this morning, standing side by side with Mike Johnson, saying, we agree that in this new paradigm, this is the way to move forward for President Trump.

[Unknown Speaker B]

So you had Vice President JD Vance went up and talked to the conference. He said, hey guys, we got if they shut us down, they're going to throw it way off track. And that's what they want to do in the House Freedom Caucus. And I think it's unanimity among the Freedom Caucus or at least the ones on the on the bubble, I think will get there by the vote, which is highly unusual because these guys are adamant. Those are the 40 or 50 Democrat votes you normally need because the House Freedom Caucus. But here's the question is that we're not including, I think what sticks in people's crawls they can't get their heads around. Is that Doge? And whether that number's 500 billion or whether it's 5 billion, forget what the absolute number is. The fact that they have found definitely some waste, fraud and abuse. Right. If we vote, do the up or down vote, we're essentially paying for the waste, fraud and abuse. And so one what is the element, what is the, what is the tactic? What are we going to do to make sure that doesn't happen throughout the rest of fiscal 2025 between now and September 30?

[Mike Johnson]

Sir, this is a really good question. So here's what's important for people to understand. Just because Congress appropriates money does not mean that that money gets spent. There's an intermediary step called obligation, and that runs through the Office of Management and Budget. It has to pass right through Russ votes fingers in order to actually hit the spot that Congress appropriated it for. So it's kind of like saying to your bank, increase my credit limit on the credit card. They may do that, but that doesn't mean that you've spent up to the credit limit. You have to go to the store and actually spend the money before it gets obligated. So this is a little like Congress saying increase the credit limit according to the Biden Harris levels and then handing the credit card to Russ vote and Elon, what do you think they're going to do with it? They've already proven that they're not going to spend that money. Russ is going to take a look at it. He's going to say, this doesn't further our interests. It's wasteful, it's weaponized, it's woke. And the president has the authority as the executive of our nation to say, nah, I'm not spending that and they're going to send it right back to the Treasury.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Okay, we know there's not one Democrat vote in the House for this. And this is unusual. Folks normally get 40 or 50 because the Democratic Party lives off and breathes for big government and big government spending. Hakeem Jeffries got him lockstep because it's about Doge and about this ability to do impoundments or whatever. They are locked in. They are set to shut down President Trump's government in the Senate with Rand Paul right now saying he's a no. I don't know. We're going to need seven or eight minimum Democratic senators to break to break cloture at least. And we don't know what other Republicans are getting jiggy on us. The Democrats have already signaled that their big fight is they're afraid if they vote for it, that it just empowers Elon Musk and his Doge team to go crazier. But their solution may be to say, okay, we'll do this, but we're going to actually put in their version of the cr where Russ vote and folks can't impound can't rescind that. This is the number and the executive has no ability to do it. What are your thoughts about that, sir?

[Mike Johnson]

There is definitely a likelihood that because of Senate Democrats, the House passed CR can't get through the Senate at least initially. And that will lead to a shutdown. But think about what the context will be of that shutdown. House Republicans will have passed a clean CR at Biden, Harris spending levels. And now you're saying that Senate Democrats are going to shut down the entire federal government, which is their number one constituency in which they have howled and cried for years. Every single time Republicans have shut down the government. Right now they're going to own it and they will have no ground to stand on because we haven't cut a dime in the CR from what Biden and Harris were trying to do. What is their rationale? What's their explanation to the American people? What's their explanation, much more importantly to them, to federal workers who won't be getting paid their number one constituency. I have a hard time seeing them win that fight. And I think you're going to find the seven or eight weak sisters who are willing to say, you know what, we're here to govern. Right. That's the, that's the regime language. We're a governing party. We may not like it, but we can't do this shutdown thing and they will open it back up and we'll get to move forward. But if they don't, well, then the government is shut down and there are plenty of conservatives out there who've been hankering for an opportunity like that anyway. In my mind, it's a win. Win.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Yeah, we don't want to shut down President Trump's government. Last point, FY26. And this is where we get into. Because look, we're just simply. He reiterated, yes, he's going to find a trillion dollars of waste, fraud and abuse, God bless him. He would be treated as a hero, not just in conservative movement by the American people if he found a trillion dollars. But my worrying assumption, you're not going to get there. You're going to have to get to the hard work of programmatically taking this thing apart. That is going to take place in the spring and summer 26 according to this schedule. How can you get this audience comfortable? I mean, we went through these fights before, I think in 23 to get single subject appropriations bills and it wasn't great. Like USAID was still in there, but we were making progress. But it never came up to A vote? How? I mean, what is your theory here, in Russ's theory of how we actually get to the hard work in the appropriations process so we don't have to do CRS again. And we actually have single sub appropriations bills that really go after federal spending and go after it in a big way.

[Mike Johnson]

Sir, the tie that binds this all together is President Trump. This is his party, it's his movement and it's his agenda. And I don't think any of these guys want to get outside the bounds of what President Trump is demanding that they do alongside Elon and Russ and the rest of the team. So that's what gives us hope is this new leadership and the new paradigm that flows from it. President Trump matters a lot more than Mike Johnson. He matters a lot more than any other individual member of the House or Senate. The last thing any of these guys or gals wants to do is be the focal point of his X feed, his truth social feed, Elon's X feed, and so on and so on. Right. Can you imagine anything worse for your political interest and career than to be in that spotlight? They are going to instruct these folks to do their work. And because we have that regime in power, I'm ambivalent about whether we do single issue appropriations bills. I think it's a good and effective way to really get, as you said, into the machine and start picking it apart at a molecular level. But if what they want to do is an omnibus, but it's an omnibus that furthers President Trump's agenda, then we'll move forward in that way. We'll just see where it goes. The point is the cuts. The point is the spending which we've got to get under control. Reconciliation is a way to do it. Impoundments a way to do it. And that FY26 appropriations process is going to be a really important opportunity to do it some more.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Okay. You're not concerned about the form as the results. Okay, Eric, where do people get you? Social media. And over at CRA where they go.

[Mike Johnson]

Yeah, I'm on X at Eric Teetzel. You can visit our website at Renewing America. Would love to to connect with your listeners and talk about this more. I know this is new, it's different and it's complicated. We're here to try to make it easy.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.

[Mike Johnson]

Thanks a lot.

[Unknown Speaker B]

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[Unknown Speaker B]

Host, Stephen K. Ban. Jim's got strategic intelligence, as you as you can imagine has been on fire with everything going on with President Trump's the repositioning geostrategically and geo economically. Dave Bratt's going to join me shortly to go through his thoughts and charts. Also going to break down Charlie Gasparino's piece in the New York Post going through President Trump's plan. So make sure you go to rickardswarroom.com, all one word strategic intelligence and you get the free book on money in artificial intelligence, which ought to wake you up. We also have announcement later about Joe Allen and Mark Jeftovic are going to debate, I think on Jeftovic's podcast. We'll make sure you get the time of that. We're going to try to stream it. Todd Benzeman joins us. Bensman's down for a trip to actually he wants to see how secure the border is. Bensman, where are you and how secure has President Trump made it in about 45 days, sir. Right.

[Unknown Speaker E]

I'm in El Paso, Juarez. So it's the El Paso sector. I'm right down here on the wall, as you can see. Checking out. I came in yesterday, spent all day out there yesterday on the US Side. Tomorrow I'll go over to the Juarez side and then What I'm seeing is just pretty much confirming what the numbers show us, which are that every. Which is that everything is way, way down to historic lows. Maybe 200, 300 a day crossing. And importantly, 100% of those who are caught are being expelled immediately back. That's the big shift in policy. Nobody is being released into the interior. So that's why you have two or 300. That's an historic low. But the thing I wanted to tell you that's really important is that the runners and gotaways are also down. Nobody's been really reporting on the ones that are not apprehended runners and those who get away into the interior. Remember, we've had 2.2, 2.4 million over the last four years get into the country without border patrol laying hand on them. Now, this sector, which is one of the busiest sector, I've been down here many, many times. One of the busiest sectors, they have zero days, days where there are no gotaways at all. And then the days that they do have got aways, there's like two or three that they catch or that they notice. So that's really important. And what you're seeing there is video that I put up just a little while ago showing the wreck that the Biden administration left the fence, the. The wall in.

[Unknown Speaker G]

And we have to.

[Unknown Speaker E]

Helicopter passing over me right now, just feet. Sorry about that.

[Unknown Speaker B]

No, but look at that wall right there. Biden. Look at. Look at disaster. What a joke.

[Unknown Speaker E]

Yeah. What this tells us is that we got to get that Trump wall, the original Trump wall has to go up. They can't waste any time. They've got to get that thing up all along. I'm not sure where they are on the money part of that, but they've got to work and get that thing going right now. You can see that stretch right there. That's La Linea cartel right on the other side of that thing. And also one last thing, Steve, about this is just because the numbers are down does not mean that the Trump administration should let off the gas. It's all gas, no brake, all the time. Can't change anything at all. There's a Stryker brigade coming into this area pretty soon. They're needed. Even though the numbers are down, they're needed. That's how you keep the numbers down.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Todd, are you at our wall right there? Is that up there? Is that up Mount Cristo Rey? Is that the. Is that the wall that we built or what part of El Paso sector you're at?

[Unknown Speaker E]

Crystal Ray is Right. I'm looking at it this way. It's the other way. Your wall is on the other side of that. This is a little bit further west.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Where was that wall? That. Where's the dilapidated wall that you just, you just saw? Where was that in relation to this and Christo Rey?

[Unknown Speaker E]

Yeah, that's eight or nine miles to the west this way. I was there yesterday. And that thing that is La Linea territory over there and that. I've been there many times on the Juarez side where they're just climbing over that thing. They're cutting through it. It's the old wall from the Bush era, and you can just cut right through it. It's steel mesh. It's not this bollard stuff that you see right here. That stuff they, they were cutting through right now, they're not. They're not cutting through as much, obviously, because there's a lot of soldiers over there. There's a lot of Border patrol that are. They're not processing people in. So they're out there and their orders are to catch them and prosecute them. I asked one of them, why are the numbers of runners so low over here right now? And the Border Patrol agent looked at me and said, prosecutions. So apparently they're 1325 ing everybody they catch and they're putting them in jail and prison, et cetera. And they're. They're deporting them all the way back to their home too. When they're not doing that.

[Unknown Speaker B]

Are you happy you want to go down there? Are you happy by what you're seeing? I know it's the first time that Border Patrol has actually been free. Cause they were processing under Biden to.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Unknown Speaker B]

Right. Are you happy by what you're seeing on the, on the combined effort down there?

[Unknown Speaker E]

It's night and day, Steve. It is just unbelievable. This is the first time I've been down here where it's not total chaos, where there's just all kinds of crazy going on. I'm talking to my cop friends with Texas dps and they're complaining we don't have any stash houses to bust in El Paso anymore. Our numbers are down. They're mad at us. Cause our arrest, our arrest numbers are down. You know, we get. Get more arrests because that's the dilapidated wall I discovered yesterday there. But the point is, is, you know, it's. It's returned to the norm, the pre Biden norm, the. The old Trump norm. The way he left it, actually, it's way below the numbers are way, way below. They're like a third what they were. The historic lows of the last months of the Trump point one administration.

[Unknown Speaker B]

This puts to a lie to the you needed comprehensive legislation or you needed root causes. All a lie. Todd Benson down there as an eyewitness. Todd, can you just hang on? It's just a 90 second break. I got a couple more questions about the cartels, about those striker brigades. Dave Bratt's going to join us. Cameron Kinsey is going to join us. Tom Tinsley from Wisconsin about this Supreme Court judge in Wisconsin race. All important. Scott Pressler's been up there working it. You're in the war room for the morning show on fire. Big vote today at 4:00. I think President Trump's got the votes. Speaker Johnson is about to tell us that in a moment. Gonna leave it with the right stuff. You know why? Because you've got it more, more than anyone knows, your human agency. Short Commercial break 90 seconds. Back to the border with Todd Bensman. The April 15th tax deadline is coming and it's coming fast. Do you have unfiled tax returns? Can't pay the irs. The IRS is more than aggressive and the more aggressive than ever. And the longer you wait, the worse it gets. Wage garnishments, bank levies, even property seizures are all on the table. You need to get ahead of this. You need to get ahead of it today. But going up against the IRS alone is a big time mistake. Take my advice. Call the experts at Tax Network usa. They know the system.

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