Episode 4345: Preparing For A Fight Over Legal Mass Deportations

Summary

Episode Summary: Bannon's War Room – Episode 4345: Preparing For A Fight Over Legal Mass Deportations

Release Date: March 18, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Podcast: WAR ROOM by WarRoom.org

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1. The Battle Over Legal Mass Deportations

[00:00 – 02:04]
The episode opens with Unnamed Speaker 1 highlighting the unprecedented use of wartime authority in peacetime by the Trump administration. This strategy is currently targeting Venezuelan nationals, deporting them to Salvadoran prisons without due process. Speaker 1 warns of the slippery slope where multiple groups could be similarly stripped of their rights, stating:

“If the courts allow this, it could be one group after another that's just whisked away and put in Salvadoran prison with no access to anybody.”
[00:00]

2. Political Motivations Behind Deportations

[02:04 – 03:44]
David poses a question about President Trump's campaign promise of mass deportations, suggesting it serves as a perfect test case for expanding executive power. Unnamed Speaker 2 and Unnamed Speaker 3 discuss the political calculus, noting Trump’s strong support on immigration issues despite economic grievances among voters. Speaker 3 explains:

“Polling has shown... voters, by and large, are very happy with how he's handled illegal immigration.”
[02:16]

3. Federal Courts and Constitutional Crisis

[03:23 – 04:50]
[Unnamed Speaker 4] draws a parallel between Senator Cotton’s confrontation with a judge and the 1957 school integration crisis in Arkansas. He emphasizes the danger of the executive branch ignoring federal court orders, stating:

“It's just how much of this is... when that happens, you don't have rule of law.”
[04:50]

4. International Affairs: Israeli Actions in Gaza

[04:50 – 06:37]
Unnamed Speaker 5 and Brian Glenn delve into the escalating conflict between Israel and Hamas. They discuss Israel’s renewed assault on Gaza, targeting mid-level Hamas commanders and the worsening humanitarian crisis due to cut-off aid and essential services. Speaker 5 notes:

“The Israeli minister of defense... said that they're going to rain hell on Hamas.”
[05:01]

5. The Heritage Foundation’s Role in the Trump Administration

[06:37 – 07:30]
David inquires about the relationship between the Heritage Foundation and the Trump administration. Unnamed Speaker 3 responds, describing Heritage as an extension of the Trump political machinery, particularly in immigration:

“Heritage has transformed from a conservative think tank into an extension of the Trump administration...”
[06:49]

6. Treasury Department Developments and IRS Whistleblowers

[07:30 – 19:55]
The discussion shifts to significant developments in the Treasury Department. Miranda Devine provides an in-depth analysis of IRS whistleblowers Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler, who exposed Hunter Biden's tax crimes. She details their promotion by Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant as senior advisers to reform the IRS:

“IRS whistleblowers Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler... Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant has promoted them.”
[17:09]

Miranda further critiques the obstruction faced by these whistleblowers, emphasizing:

“They have spent the last two years being punished and ostracized by their bosses at the IRS.”
[19:55]

7. The Deep State and Executive Power

[19:55 – 32:26]
Stephen K. Bannon and Miranda Devine engage in a vigorous debate about the existence and influence of the deep state within the U.S. government. Bannon asserts that the deep state is an unelected fourth branch, entrenched in agencies like the CIA and FBI, actively opposing President Trump’s agenda:

“This deep state... they think they get to run the country, and we're supposed to shut up and sit down and do what we're told.”
[32:50]

Miranda concurs, describing the deep state as being in league with Democrats to undermine Trump:

“This deep state is implacably opposed to Donald Trump... to the very existence of the deep state.”
[27:52]

8. Judicial Overreach and Executive Authority

[32:26 – 39:36]
Mike Davis outlines the challenges faced by President Trump as DC federal judges issue temporary restraining orders (TROs) against his executive actions, particularly in deportations and foreign aid allocations. He criticizes the judiciary’s interference with executive functions:

“It's a violation of Article 2 of the Constitution... they're sabotaging the presidency.”
[37:46]

Stephen K. Bannon adds that the judiciary is not relinquishing power and remains entrenched:

“They are dug in. That's exactly the phrase... they are dug in and they're going to play you.”
[37:52]

9. The Release of the Kennedy Files

[39:02 – 40:25]
The conversation moves to the impending release of the Kennedy assassination files. Bannon speculates on the contents, dismissing the CIA assassination theory but suggesting the files will reveal systemic issues:

“If the Central Intelligence Agency assassinated the President... I don't personally believe that.”
[39:36]

10. Final Strategies and Call to Action

[40:25 – 41:42]
Stephen K. Bannon emphasizes the ongoing struggle against the deep state, calling for continued vigilance and resistance:

“We are very much in the thick of this thing right now.”
[31:24]

11. Conclusion

The episode concludes with Stephen K. Bannon reaffirming the necessity of fighting against entrenched government bureaucracies and judicial overreach, maintaining that the battle for the Republic is far from over. He urges listeners to stay informed and engaged in the ongoing political struggle.

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Notable Quotes

• Unnamed Speaker 1 [00:00]:
  “If the courts allow this, it could be one group after another that's just whisked away and put in Salvadoran prison with no access to anybody.”

• Unnamed Speaker 3 [02:22]:
  “Polling has shown... voters, by and large, are very happy with how he's handled illegal immigration.”

• Unnamed Speaker 4 [04:50]:
  “When that happens, you don't have rule of law.”

• Unnamed Speaker 5 [05:01]:
  “The Israeli minister of defense... said that they're going to rain hell on Hamas.”

• Brian Glenn [12:17]:
  “Without a doubt, Trump is no stranger to the court system. As we all know, he will win on this.”

• Miranda Devine [17:09]:
  “IRS whistleblowers Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler... Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant has promoted them.”

• Mike Davis [32:26]:
  “It's a violation of Article 2 of the Constitution... they're sabotaging the presidency.”

• Stephen K. Bannon [39:36]:
  “If the Central Intelligence Agency assassinated the President... I don't personally believe that.”

• Stephen K. Bannon [31:24]:
  “We are very much in the thick of this thing right now.”

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Conclusion

Episode 4345 of Bannon`s War Room provides a fervent examination of the Trump administration's aggressive immigration policies, the constitutional battles unfolding in federal courts, and the pervasive influence of what the hosts describe as the deep state. Through incisive discussions and strategic commentary, the episode underscores the ongoing struggle between executive authority and institutional resistance, while also touching on international conflicts and internal governmental reforms. For listeners seeking an in-depth analysis of the political maneuvers shaping the United States, this episode offers a comprehensive and engaging narrative.

Transcript

[Unnamed Speaker 1]

We just start by saying that, you know, you and I have talked about a lot of big issues over the years. I think right now this is one of the biggest that we've ever discussed, and for two reasons. One is the use of this wartime authority is so unprecedented and so dangerous during peacetime that we all need to be concerned, because right now, it's Venezuelans who are being tagged with it and sent off to a Salvadoran prison without any due process whatsoever. But if the courts allow this, it could be one group after another that's just whisked away and put in Salvadoran prison with no access to anybody. And, you know, these Venezuelan men who have been sent to El Salvador, as the video already suggests, are in real danger. But the second reason this is so big is what you also talked about is beyond just the Alien Enemies Act. The Trump administration seems to be basically saying the federal court should stay out of their business. But, of course, our entire country is premised on the idea that we have three equal branches of government, and both Congress and the president will listen to the federal courts. We were very concerned that the administration just simply ignored, violated the court's order to turn their planes around. And so we told the judge we were concerned about it. Given all the facts, He. He said, let's get in here for a hearing. We left that hearing even more concerned than we were initially. The administration tried to first say, well, we didn't think you meant this and that, but obviously they clearly understood what the order meant. They're basically just saying, don't interfere with us. And they even went as far as going to the D.C. circuit a few hours before the hearing to try and get the judge thrown off the case. This is really extraordinary. And what I said in the hearing was I wanted to be very careful with my words, but I felt like, although a lot of people throw around the term constitutional crisis, we were moving in that direction. If the administration is really not going to allow federal courts to do their job.

[David]

David, President Trump campaigned on mass deportations. It was one of his most popular campaign promises. Does that make this the perfect test.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Case for him politically to try to.

[David]

Expand his powers by saying he's doing what he campaigned on doing?

[Unnamed Speaker 3]

Yeah, I think it does, and I think it's why the administration is happy to have this fight. Look, polling has shown that where the president has trouble economically because of the tariffs and his approval ratings on that issue are suffering, voters, by and large, are very happy with how he's handled illegal immigration. And there was a sense from voters And I talked to a lot of voters over the past couple of years that felt like during the Biden administration that the US Government was at the sort of the mercy of whether an illegal immigrant would gain asylum laws or come across the border illegally, and that there wasn't much we could do about it. And what the president is saying is, I'm going to do whatever it takes. And there's an appeal to that. And until the American people, if voters ever feel a negative impact from his challenging of the courts, which they're used to, that this is not the first time he's done that rhetorically, then I think they're going to give him latitude.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Right.

[Unnamed Speaker 3]

We're talking politically here. Obviously, there are all sorts of ways in which this can go south and impact other, other issues beyond illegal immigration. But this is something they wanted him to do, not necessarily challenge the courts in the way he did, but clean up illegal immigration. And they're going to give him room to do that here.

[David]

If the courts cannot contain this administration, what can?

[Unnamed Speaker 4]

You know, I thought it was fascinating today that Senator Cotton of Arkansas spoke out and called this judge out, like, who is this judge to tell the President what to do? And it was very reminiscent of the 1957 showdown in Central High School in Arkansas, where the governor of Arkansas called out the National Guard to stop the integration in compliance with board versus Brown versus board of education. So what happened? Eisenhower sent 101st Airborne the little Rock to enforce the law, and then he federalized the National Guard. And it's just how much of this is. We've been here before, but the difference now is it's not a governor of Arkansas, it's the President of the United States. And he's backed up almost unanimously by a party that has begun to look at the rule of law like a cafeteria. You can take this, you can take that, you can, you know, maybe have a little of this, whatever you like. And when that happens, you don't have rule of law.

[Unnamed Speaker 5]

The Israelis eventually got fed up and decided late last night overnight at about 2am local time here to renew their assault on the Gaza Strip. Now, we haven't heard.

[Brian Glenn]

We have.

[Unnamed Speaker 5]

We heard that Hamas said that this is a violation of the peace of the treaty from late January. But this is something that is probably going to get worse and worse. You know, we're going to continue to see attacks by the Israelis. As you said, we've been hearing extremely bellicose language, including from the minister of defense, Israel Katz, saying that, that, you know, they're going to rain hell on, on Hamas. And you know, this really just goes to show there's a big change here. We've seen the Israelis cutting off aid several weeks ago to Gaza Strip, which saw a huge spike in prices for food in the Gaza Strip, which was already suffering from famine like conditions before that treaty in late January. Then we saw them cutting off electricity, which all but shut down a desalination plant that so many Palestinians in the Gaza Strip had relied on for fresh water, leading a lot of them to resort to drinking brackish water. And the United nations warned that nine out of 10 people in Gaza didn't have access to safe, clean water. Well, now the situation is about to get much, much worse. We haven't heard much about ground operations yet, but we can expect to hear a lot more. The Israelis have said that they're specifically targeting mid level Hamas commanders. So it looks as though they are, they had some time to think about who to strike though, you know, hone their targets. And we had heard this last week from several media sources saying that they have a kill list, that they've expanded the Israelis and they know exactly who they're going after. So it looks as though, according to Israeli and foreign media, that they are, they had a plan for the past several weeks about how to reenter this fight. And it looks like we're seeing that plan being activated in the Gaza Strip.

[David]

The Heritage foundation, which is behind Project 2025. How direct is the link between the Heritage foundation and the Oval Office? It seems like Heritage is living their best life with this administration.

[Unnamed Speaker 3]

Well, look, Heritage has transformed from a conservative think tank into an extension of the Trump administration and the Trump campaign, the Trump political oper, immigration. So none of that is surprising. But I just think this whole issue is a distraction, right? I mean, there are some real issues that really matter, whether it's how the, how the President is handling illegal immigration, whether or not he's defined courts or testing the courts. His economic policy, which is obviously disrupting many sectors of the economy. These are the sorts of things he likes to do to send people off chasing squirrels. And I just don't think it's, it's that big of a deal at the end of the day compared to focusing on things that really matter.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Real quick on a 1 to 10.

[David]

What'S your level of worry?

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

11, 11, 11.

[David]

America.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on this beach. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had A belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

It's Tuesday the 18th of March, year of our Lord 2025. You're in the war room. Let's go. Immediately. We are packed the morning and the afternoon. Whether it's talking war and peace with Putin today and President Trump or releasing the Kennedy files or taking on these radical justices or judges are trying to shut down President Trump from implementing his executive orders and things he's doing as commander in chief or chief executive officer of the US Government or as chief magistrate. Let's go to Brian Glenn live at the White House. Brian, another packed day. Right now. I believe the President should be on some sort of telecommunications connection with Vladimir Putin, talking about the Russian rapprochement and peace in Ukraine. Sir.

[Brian Glenn]

Yes, sir. Good morning, Steve. From what I understand, that phone call was to take place between 9:00am and 11:00am Eastern Time, local time here. It's now top of the hour. So I'm assuming right now that President Trump is on the line talking with Putin and we'll see how what comes out of that. I mean, this is something that obviously he has campaigned on for quite a long time, getting peace between these two countries. And today is the day. And like you said, in the cold open, it's, which is hard to even listen to by the way, the pushback that we received from the left and from the. It's so difficult to listen to. But yeah, big day here.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

That's so he, that's what we do it. We make the war impossible. Get their cup of war path and their heads blow up in the cold open. Okay, President Trump's schedule, signing executive orders tentatively at 3:00. Brian, I'm sure you'll be around hanging around the rim, but the Kennedy 80,000 pages. President Trump yesterday basically implied he doesn't want Tulsi Gabbard, head of dni, to redact anything the Kennedy files. Timing, executive orders. Timing. What do we got?

[Brian Glenn]

Yeah, well, the timing for the executive orders are at 3 o'clock and I don't have any details on what that executive order or orders will be at 3:00. I'll keep my ear to the ground on that. In terms of the releasing of the files, all we heard was it would be this afternoon. Now would it be during the 3:00? Is that an announcement that he makes? But Those files, those 80,000 plus pages, will be [e-mail] gov for money to understand. And of course it's all gonna be there to see. But as you know, people, even if you release everything, just it's human nature to second guess things and go down their own conspiracies that you might have one. But nevertheless, those pages will be available to the public.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Come on.

[Brian Glenn]

Later this afternoon. As soon as I get the exact time. I know. I wish we had them right now.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

I wish I had them right now. MAGA just wants the receipts. All MAGA wants is the receipts. You know, they're gonna be happy. Come on, man, this is a crowd. Maga, Maga's easy. Please. Okay. Julie Kelly is actually following the filing that's gonna take place I think by 11am from the White House. Of all the different parts of the legal battle, which is really where it's most intense, this judge in, in Washington D.C. about the U.S. sending terrorists, criminal terrorists out of the country, challenging President Trump as Commander in chief. Mike Davis, Josh Hammer are going to join us here shortly. But the White House strategy on this is Stephen Miller's who kind of, I think, laid a trap for this judge by the timing of this. Are they hunkered down for a fight, Brian Glenn?

[Brian Glenn]

I think they are. And I heard Stephen Miller yesterday talk about this and said what this judge is trying to do is unprecedented. That's like trying to move troops out of one country into another. I mean, look, we are following the law, we are following the Constitution, and President Trump is in right on all of this. And to watch the media and the Democrats have a meltdown on getting rid of gang members. Steve, I'm talking about gang members that have just done torturous things, have taken human lives. It's despicable that we have a media and a party in this country that is so defiant of getting rid of criminals, illegal gang criminals in our country. Let it go to the courts. Because without a doubt, Trump is no stranger to the court system. As we all know, he will win on this. But this is their desperate attempt to stop this.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Thank you very much, Brian Glenn. Brian, what is your social media so people can follow you throughout the day and know when to jump in and out?

[Brian Glenn]

Okay, Steve, you can follow me at ryanglenntv across the board at Brian. Brian on Truth Social. As soon as I hear about the files and the timing on that, I'll let you know personally. And then of course, we'll find out how that phone call went a little bit later today. Oval Office, 3 o'clock here at the White House. Keep it right here at Real America's Voice.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Yeah, Brian Glenn's gonna be all over it. Historic day. President Trump right now talking to the head of the KGB or former head of the kgb, now the head of Russia about a rapprochement that would include also a peace deal, ceasefire and a peace deal in Ukraine. All of it. Crimea, I'm sure is going to come up day. All of it. All of it. All of it. Major military activity in the Red Sea with the Houthis and in Gaza, looks like the ceasefire there is over. The Muslim Brotherhood franchisee. Hamas playing around with the hostages. Going to do this, going to do that. I think Israel finally had enough. So let's get it back on. See how tough you are. Natalie Winters is at a conference right down the street from the White House on artificial intelligence and advanced technology, all of it. She'll be reporting from there later in the day. Sam Faddisk is going to join us. Ben Harnwell, but we got a very special guest next. We come back from the break. Major news coming out of the Treasury Department and Secretary of Treasury Scott Besant. The indefatigable Miranda Devine joins us next in the war room. You don't go out and buy a life jacket when the boat is already sinking. And you don't buy gold when the economy has already collapsed. Clearly others are heeding this advice as gold hit an all time high the first part of 2025 multiple times. It's not too late for you. The company I trust to help you diversify into physical gold is Birch Gold, the company I buy my gold from. Birch Gold specializes in helping you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold for no money out of pocket. Just listen to this five star review, quote knowledgeable, helpful, non pressure, end quote. That's what you get with Burt's Gold and that's why I've endorsed them for so long. Get your free info kit on gold by texting the word Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898. There's no obligation, just useful information with an A rating from the Better Business Bureau and countless five star reviews. Text Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898 and let the experts at Birchgold help you secure your financial future today with gold.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Okay, so you have the lineup for today. We've, we've framed this. What's happening? Another historic day. Even as we speak right now, history is being made sure President Trump will bring us into that when he, when he has us into the Oval Office. Brian Glenn will be there. Natalie's down at the Mark Andreessen conference. So much going on in the imperial capital and throughout the globe. Big news out of Treasury. The one and only Miranda Devine joins us. Miranda, you gotta be feeling pretty good. The laptop from hell, the Wuhan lab, I mean everything that you've investigated and written these amazing books about over the last couple of years, it turns out Miranda Devine's right and of course the apparatus is wrong. But here today some breaking news at a Treasury on whistleblowers and the irs. Can you explain to the audience exactly what's going on and why this is a very big deal? Ma'am.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, hi. Look, this is just brilliant, Steve. IRS whistleblowers Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler, who were the guys who kiboshed Hunter Biden's sweetheart deal. Remember on his tax crimes he almost got away with it scot free. Except that these two professional nonpartisan investigators at the IRS who had spent five years looking into various alleged crimes committed by Hunter Biden, including not just tax fraud and tax evasion, but also money laundering and foreign agent violations, et cetera, they had been obstructed every step of the way. Anytime they went down an investigative trail that led to Joe Biden, they were blocked. No search warrants of Joe Biden's estate where Hunter Biden was living, no geo location of his phone when he said he was calling his Chinese business partners to shake them down with his father sitting next to him in Delaware, all of that was blocked. So they finally legally blew the whistle. And it was just in time because Hunter Biden sweetheart deal fell apart. And as we know, these guys, Shapley and Ziegler were thrown off the case. New prosecutors were brought in. They had to be brought in and a judge saw through it. And finally, Hunter, even though the most serious charges, the U.S. attorney in Delaware, David Weiss, had let them lapse, Hunter Biden was still charged with some serious jail worthy crimes, was found guilty in Delaware and in California and would have faced jail except his father in December pardoned him. Going back retrospectively 10 years for any crimes he might have committed in that period. But anyway, Shapley and Ziegler were the heroes of the moment. And they have spent the last two years being punished and ostracised by their bosses at the irs. Now, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant has done the right thing. He has promoted them. For one year, they will be senior advisers to him, guiding the IRS reform, especially in the cultural sphere, which means personnel. And so then they'll go into the IRS as senior leaders, as bosses. So those he's identified six people, Shapley, in one of his complaints, in his chain of command, who retaliated against him. Those people, I would imagine, are not sleeping very well today.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Amazing. It's another example going on offense. I have to ask you, you know, in October 2020, when you came out with the laptop from hell and all the X rays, you and Emma Jo Morris at the New York Post, it looked like the world was against you. Facebook, everybody turned against you, said this was wrong, that the New York Post was going to get sued into oblivion. Today, ma'am, as you sit here and kind of witness Putin talking to Trump about a Russian rapprogmon and some sort of help and peace in the Middle east with the Persians and in Ukraine, stopping the war there, what are your thoughts? Did you ever envision in 2020 when you were accused of being a dupe of Russian misinformation, did you ever think, you see the day that Donald Trump would be back in office and would be negotiating with Putin overall peace deal?

[Miranda Devine]

Well, I mean, no, because it never should have happened that Joe Biden was president. And in fact, if our story had not been censored by Facebook and Twitter, and if those 51 dirty intel officials or former intel officials, mainly from the CIA, hadn't lied and said that the laptop and therefore our stories were Russian disinformation, you know, probably Donald Trump would have squeaked into office again. There would have been no war in Ukraine. There would have been no attack by Hamas on Israel on October 7th two years ago. So no, it could have been visaged what happened. But look, the Democrats went too far and all the law there and all the attacks and the two assassination attempts against Donald Trump just made him stronger. He is utterly impervious to their attacks. And I think that's why they've now focused their ire on people like Elon Musk and J.D. vance, because they know that Donald Trump is Teflon coated.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

What about your thoughts on President Trump finally having enough of this with a detachment I think of 12 or 13 Secret Service protective unit in South Africa with Hunter Biden. He finally said yesterday, I'm just doing away with this massive coverage for the Biden kids. Your thoughts?

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, fantastic. I mean, it's outrageous that Hunter Biden still has Secret Service protection and particularly he's gone off to South Africa for a luxury vacation, staying in some, you know, ultra plush Oceanside villa at $500 a night. He's escaped a court case in California that he brought himself against Garrett Ziegler and the Marco Polo Gu. Thanks to Laura Loomer, we have photographs showing that before that case was even dismissed by the judge on his request, he had hightailed it to South Africa with his wife. And he has as many as 18 Secret Service agents on his detail, according to Donald Trump. And that, you know, his 90 day sojourn in South Africa would have cost the taxpayer conservatively half a million dollars just for those Secret Service agents. So Donald Trump has now stripped him of those agents. Plus Ashley Biden, his half sister, had, according to Donald Trump, 13 Secret Service agents giving her round the clock protection. And really, as far as I can see, those Secret Service agents act as chauffeurs, door openers for these reprobates for Hunter Biden and his family. So good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

The 51 intelligence executives, officers, many of them CIA. That, and let's be blunt, they try to destroy you personally, they try to destroy your career, they try to make you a laughingstock, they try to make you look like a tool of very dark forces in this country. Do you believe that they've been handled properly? Do you think everything that should have happened to them because it was their air cover that let the mainstream media and Facebook and others attack you, attack the story and suppress a story we know is 100% true. Are you satisfied that to date, enough has been done with these folks, ma'am?

[Miranda Devine]

No. So far, Donald Trump stripped them of their security clearances, which is a good thing, and will curtail their income somewhat. But, you know, I think, I believe that there may be more in the pipeline. But look, it's more than just 51 former CIA and NSA, et cetera, officials, which included five former directors or acting directors of the CIA, including the notorious John Brennan, Leon Panetta, James Clapper was one of these people. So we know about them. But the story is even darker because when that letter was being concocted by former Acting Director Mike Morell, who hoped that he would be CIA director under Joe B. When he was, he was he was prompted to write that letter by none other than Anthony Blinken, who at that stage was a senior advisor to the Biden campaign, of course, became the Secretary of State under Joe Biden. And after Mike Morell wrote that letter, he got it expedited, had to be cleared by the CIA Classified Classification Review Panel. And they saw the letter, saw how political it was and how it was designed to rig the debate that Joe Biden was just about to have with Donald Trump. And sure enough, he used it. And so they sent it upstairs to none other than CIA Director Gina Haspel, who gave it the green light to be published. It should never have been published. It was overtly political. It was a domestic election interference plot by the CIA. And Gina Haspel is interesting because she also was CIA station chief in London when the Russia collusion hoax was hatched.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Before we let you go, we got about a minute. Given your reporting on facts, do we actually have a deep state that's associated with our government, that's part of the administrative state, ma'am?

[Miranda Devine]

Well, yes. I mean the deep state, the unaccountable bureaucracy. You have talked about it ad nauseam. I mean, this is what Donald Trump campaigned on basically back in 2016. It got the better of him in 2020, or almost. It's hand in glove with the Democrats and doing nefarious things around the world, color revolutions in our names, but without the American people's approval or even knowledge. And this deep state is implacably opposed to Donald Trump. They see him as an existential threat, not to democracy, as the Democrats keep saying, but to the very existence of the deep state. And this time, Donald Trump is forewarned, forearmed. He has an amazing group of warriors around him, including. I have to do a shout out to Stephen Miller who we were just talking about. He is just relentless and ten steps ahead of the warfare and the deep state.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

We got about 15 seconds. What's your social media? Where do people get you, Miranda?

[Miranda Devine]

I'm on Twitter or X as we call it now. And of course, truth social. Get out all of them as just Aranda Devine and you'll find all my columns at the New York Post.com thank you, ma'am.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Okay, Mike Davis will be up shortly. Sam Satis joins us. Sam, today of all days, wrote a brilliant piece yesterday I want to get into, but kind of revolves around living history that we're going through today. You look at, you know, we're back to the shooting war in the Middle east, your old neighborhood, you know, whether it's the Red Sea, you know, keeping the Caribbean battle group down the Red Sea, keeping the straits, keeping Suez open for the Europeans. The Israelis are now essentially on bombing runs in Gaza again because the Muslim Brotherhood has broken off the peace, the ceasefire process there with the hostages. You've got Putin on a phone call right now. And of course, many people in the intelligence apparatus are not thrilled about that. Kennedy, finally, after all these decades and decades and decades, the director of national intelligence is supposed to release unredacted at least 80,000 pages of the final files of Kennedy. You've had the over treasury, the promotion of the IRS guys that for five years were reviewing. Hunter Biden saw all his crimes and they were buried. Where do we stand? You just heard Miranda Devine talking about this war is really and you can see in this judge that's ruling against President Trump being commander in chief, the deep state, they look at Trump as an existential threat not to the country or democracy, but to themselves. Put it in historical perspective exactly what we're witnessing here, sir.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, I think you're having a struggle over the fate of the republic. As you have pointed out a million times, Steve, there could not be more elemental issues here. Is there a deep state? Without question. Did they try to prevent Donald Trump from becoming President of the United States? Yes. Did they try to depose him, in effect, stage the first coup in American history? Yes. Are they now going to fight tooth and nail to attempt to prevent him from effectively restoring the Republic and saving the Republic? Without question. You know, there's a lot of celebrating going on around the country. People talking about, we're back. I'm all for that. People deserve to celebrate. But if anybody thinks that we won the war, they are sadly mistaken. These guys did not go away. We are very much in the thick of this thing right now.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

And when you say the thick of it, as one of the field commanders here, what is the thing that you think we ought to be? The center of gravity. You know, every battle. Battle has a center of gravity. Where do you think the center of gravity in this fight is right now, in your perspective? And what should the forces of the righteous be most focused on, sir? Yeah.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, there's probably a long list, but first and foremost, inside these agencies and these bureaucracies, this deep state that we have allowed to emerge to build over decades, this unelected fourth branch of government, these guys who think they get to run the country, and we're supposed to shut up and sit down and do what we're told, they are not going away. I mean, my old agency, CIA, you got Director Radcliffe and his deputy there. As far as I can tell, every single other senior manager in that place is somebody that was in place when Joe Biden was running the show, throughout everything that transpired during Biden's administration, and many of them going all the way back to what you were just talking about that were there during Russiagate and Crossfire Hurricane and all of this garbage, and either participated or, at a minimum, never stood up, did the right thing. Who stood up and said, I can't participate. Here's my letter of resignation. I'm walking out the door. I will not. I will not stand by and watch while a sitting president is deposed. Not a single blessed one of them. And yet they are all still in power, in position. And I'm using CIA as an example because it's obviously closest to me, but we could apply essentially the same thing to virtually every other federal agency.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Does the CIA. This is my theory of the case, and I'm not in this area, professional like you are, but my theory of the case is that the CIA is like kudzu. The CIA is embedded, and they use the interagency process, which is a process of formalizing policy before it comes to the President. Because you have CIA outreach in defense, in justice, obviously in dni, in dhs. If you look at the power in treasury, if you look at the power, the five or six power departments and the administrative state Alphabet agencies associated with those, the CIA has interconnectivity to all those and essentially knows how to run that. The government runs off process and they're very involved in running processes. Is my theory correct on that? Do you agree with that on the interagency process and this whole thing of detailees and people that are seconded to the White House?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, I agree with you 100%. But in addition to that, let's think about who you're talking about. What is the business of the Central Intelligence Agency? The business of the Central Intelligence Agency is influence, intrigue, manipulation. Now, it's supposed to do that on behalf of the American people against our enemies. You take all those same characteristics and you put them in play inside the United States and inside the government. And that is incredibly, incredibly dangerous. Miranda touched on this when she was talking briefly about Crossfire Hurricane and Gina Haspel. Everybody and his brother at this point is aware, basically the FBI ran Crossfire Hurricane was up to their eyeballs in this. Well, CIA had to be every bit as involved when Gina Haspel was chief of station in London and we were coordinating our government, coordinating with the Brits to try to bring down Donald Trump or first to prevent him from being president. All of that had to flow through the office of the Chief of Station in London. The CIA head in London, Gina Haspel, had to coordinate all that contact. You don't do anything with the Brits without her. Okay. And without going through her and without the director of CIA knowing it. And yet despite that involvement, how much do we actually know at this point all these years later about what CIA did as part of this? Virtually nothing. Because they're very, very good at that.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Look, we had the Church Committee. They tried to get to the bottom of this in the late 70s and came up with the House and Senate Intelligence in the Gang of Eight in the Intelligence for some sort of oversight. As light as it's been, what is your recommendation now? Because I think it should be duly noted you didn't see a lot of mass resignations from CIA dni. You didn't see it also from where CIA is embedded into these other departments. You didn't see a big mass resignation. So they're dug in for a fight. Am I correct in that? They're dug in and they think they'll just wait Trump out and you Know Bannon and Sam Fadd, Tulsi Gabbard, they're just passing through. Or do you think they're. You think that at some point in time they would just say, okay, we give up and walk away?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

No, they're not going to give up and walk away. They are dug in. That's exactly the phrase perfect phrase, because that's what the head of the FBI field office told his people, right? Dig in to resist. Look, yes, they're going to dig in and they're going to play you. What was one of the first things that happened? I mean, it happened very recently. All of a sudden, magically, we were handed a guy who we were told was the mastermind of the Abbey Gate attack, who I have no doubt is a bad guy, but I seriously doubt is actually the mastermind of anything. Somehow, magically, we served this guy up in a silver platter.

[Miranda Devine]

Why?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Because this is supposed to be evidence to you that you don't need to change anything. We got it all knocked. We're firing on all cylinders. Please don't put. Remove anybody. And they will continue to play these kind of games. What's the first step? I mean, what would you do if you took over any military unit that was bordering on combat ineffective? You'd start by relieving all the senior personnel. You'd fire a bunch of people. You'd toss a bunch of people overboard. Until we do that, you're not going to change CIA or frankly any of these other agencies. Yes, they're going to dig in, embed and resist from inside.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

You said earlier that we were witnessing with President Trump, the first up in your face coup this afternoon. Tulsi Garrett has been ordered by the President of the United States and the Commander in Chief to release all documents, about 80,000. And he's actually saying he would like them to be unredacted. Number one, why have they been kept for so many decades after the assassination, after assassination investigation. And will this is the reason? Will this point to more of a. Of people's belief in a deep state conspiracy against President Kennedy?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, I suspect the reason that they've been withheld is because you're going to find out. Yes, a lot of unflattering things. You know, for the record, do I think you're going to find out CIA killed jfk? No, I don't personally believe that. And let me just note this. If the Central Intelligence Agency assassinated the President of the United States, there ain't gonna be a file down in the basement that says how we did it. Or delineates anything that has to do with that. I suspect, though, you may find a whole lot of information that suggests that they ignored a lot of things that they could have that they had information regarding Oswald, for instance, that wasn't passed along. That kind of stuff that's very unflattering. And yeah, you might find actually some pretty overt criticism of jfk.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Some of you colleagues, before I let you go, some of your colleagues, you're in kind of a back and forth now with some of your colleagues and people you respect that are saying, sam, there's no deep state and here's why. Where are we on that? On actually people in the intelligence universe admitting that there is an aspect of this that's quite rogue and doesn't really follow direction, regardless who the President of the United States is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Sir Well, I mean I've talked to a wide range of folks and many of them are completely on board with the fact that, look, this thing went off the rails a long time ago and we need radical change. Are there a bunch of them who basically want me to shut up and sit down and think everything's fine? Yeah, they are. I mean, to use the Star Trek analogy, they were assimilated a long time ago and at this point they actually think they should be running the country.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

SAM where do people get and magazine where they get all of all your information? I'm sure after the file today we'll have you back on shortly. But where do people go?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We're on substack and magazine substack.com I'm on X as real. Sam Faddis if you go to End Magazine, you'll find our links to everywhere. Yeah.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Sam Absolutely fantastic. Keep fighting. Sir.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yes, sir.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

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[David]

They'Re going to wind up in the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court is going to have a moment in our legal history where they will more aggressively define the limits of executive power. There's a lot of people who watch the Supreme Court closely who think they're going to go further than probably most Americans would be comfortable with, but nevertheless, they're going to decide. And I think there's a number of things that Trump has done that put him in a bad place with the Supreme Court. And I would put near the top of this list, not only define a court order, which is going to really rankle people who were district court judges and were appellate judges that are on the Supreme Court, but also this idea that they're going after law firms who have represented people that Donald Trump doesn't like, that's a pretty scary thing. Private law firms. Private law firms to a large law firm who most of the people at that law firm have never seen. Jack Smith don't know. Jack Smith had nothing to do with Jack Smith. But trying to cut off their livelihood because their firm represented someone who was unpopular with the sitting president, that is really going to be something that judges are going to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Our entire system depends on people who are bad people getting lawyers, much less somebody who is just doing their job under the facts, which was Jack Smith. So it's really, I think, going to be a moment where the Supreme Court, they're not popular right now for a lot of ethical transgressions that have occurred in the recent past. But, you know, John Roberts has a big job here, frankly. Amy Coney Barrett has a big job here. I think the other four are lost on the Maga Island. But those two, I think, have shown a willingness to really take a hard look at executive power and the overreach. Let me say it again. This is the overreach of big government. And all the folks out there in Missouri who have told me at hundreds of town halls we want government off our backs. I don't think think they realize that they have unleashed what did she call the Kraken or whatever it was in terms of big government overreach with what this administration is trying.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

Mike Davis joins us. Mike, we're going to play clips from all morning, including Joe Scarborough saying that Mike Davis should call James Madison and walk through the Federalist Papers in the Constitution, in the Bill of Rights, Jimmy Madison being involved in all three of those. So Mike Davis, they're absolutely, totally freaking out, as you know, at 11 o'clock. And we got Julie Kelly doing that the judges asked for, which I think is the most important of all these cases. But just walk US through the battlefield. And where do we stand specifically in his challenge? Because it's the unitary theory of the executive. They're challenging him as chief executive of the United States to make personnel decisions, to not spend certain monies. They're challenging him as commander in chief by saying you can't deport criminal aliens. They're attacking him as chief magistrate with their heads blown up that he would walk into the sacred temple of the of main justice and desecrate it according to them. Your thoughts on where we stand this morning? Mike Davis.

[Mike Davis]

President Trump campaigned on the facts that he's going to. He's gonna go after the waste, fraud and abuse in Washington, D.C. he's going to secure our border. He's gonna deport illegal immigrants, particularly vicious international gang members and foreign terrorists. And he's doing, within two months, he's doing exactly what he promised American voters he would do. President Trump has the House. President Trump has the Senate, a comfortable margin. Senate. Because the American people like what President Trump said, and that's why they gave him a broad electoral mandate. These Democrat activists have nowhere to go. So they're just going to these activist judges, right? And they're playing a very dangerous game. I know for a fact, because these D.C. district court judges are so dumb, they don't realize who's in the room. But I know for a fact that they are bragging like they're bragging how they are sabotaging President Trump and the presidency with their temporary restraining orders, these illegal orders. It's a contest amongst these DC activist judges who can go and issue the TRO first or who can do the next tro. I know that's happening, right? Because again, they're so dumb, they don't know who's in the room. And so they're doing this. They're sabotaging the presidency. This is lawless, and it's a dangerous game. They started off by doing workers that the president somehow can't fire executive branch officers of. The president can't transfer workers, or he can't do things with the workforce, which is nonsense. It's a violation of Article 2 of the Constitution. But now this game is getting more and more dangerous, right? The personnel stuff were the gateway drugs for these activist judges. Now they're getting into the national security realm, and it's getting very, very dangerous. Not only from a national security perspective, but from a constitutional perspective. Two weeks ago, this judge, Ali, he's actually a Canadian citizen to this day on the federal bench in D.C. he bragged he's the First Muslim and Arab Federal judge in D.C. judge Ali ordered the President of the United States through, somehow, through a temporary restraining order to issue $2 billion in foreign aid over the President's national security review. The President wanted to make sure we're not funding Hamas terrorists, for example, under the guise of Gaza humanitarian relief. The President wanted to make sure we were not sending out money for waste, fraud and abuse, like research on transgender mice. This Judge Ali ordered the president to send $2 billion out over the president's national security concern. And the Supreme Court of The United States 2 weeks ago Let him do this because the Chief Justice, John Robertson, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, cited with the three leftists who always vote for the Democrats. And I think the rationale was this is, you know, this. Judge Ali called this a temporary restraining order, a tro, instead of a preliminary injunction, which is just total nonsense. It's not a TRO if you're sending $2 billion out of the country that you're never going to get back. You know, it's insane to call that a tro. But because it was called a tro, professional Professor Amy Coney Barrett thought she was grading a civil procedure exam at Notre Dame and said, oh, okay, they called it a tro. We can't review this horrifying judgment. Right. And so fast forward two weeks. The horrifying consequence, natural and probable consequence of the Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Amy Coney Barrett's horrifying judgment is you have A judge, this D.C. obama, Judge Jeb Boasberg, going into his chambers on Saturday during the middle of.

[Unnamed Speaker 2]

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