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Rachel Maddow (0:00)
The FBI and then the Treasury Department were enlisted in this caper, and they leaned on the bank, and the people whose funds were in that bank were denied their funds. They somehow pushed this through anyway. That's how they froze that bank account. And in itself, that sounds boring, but because of the way they did it, this seemingly boring thing is. Is also the opening chapter of a very scary dystopian novel in which the government is seizing your phone records, obtaining all of your text messages and your emails and your icloud, and maybe raiding your house and raiding your office, and they are taking or freezing the contents of your bank account when there is no probable cause that you have committed a crime. Because what there is is a federal prosecutor's office that will do that stuff anyway, even when their own career prosecutors and a judge tell them there's no crime here, you can't do it. So, like I said, this is. I recognize this seems like a boring story in terms of all the proper nouns involved here. Right. But it is scary in terms of what this means.
David Frum (1:17)
I mean, for me, Donald Trump's intentions are really very clear at this point. He is in the process of attempting to undo the constitutional republic. His executive branch is in the process of overtaking, of reducing to subservience the legislative and judicial branches of the government, Congress and the courts so that he can act unilaterally, even within his executive purview. The president is purging anything, anyone that falls short of pledging unshakable, loyal to him personally and his personal political project. Not the United States, not the Constitution, and not we the people. I mean, from the FBI to the Department of Justice to the Federal Trade Commission, and on and on and on. These institutions, day after day, are being cleared of officials, career officials who may favor the rule of law over Trump's whims. And they are being replaced with loyalists, all in open, flagrant violation of the law. Like, clearly illegal. As a New York Times reports, Trump is using the vast powers of the presidency to hobble his political opponents as well, including bogus investigations into Democratic fundraising platforms, threats to shut down nonprofit organizations he sees as oppositional. And it's not just the government or partisan entities. Trump wants to dismantle all forms of public opposition to his power grab, starting with all sources of independent authority. Any institution with credible credibility must either be bent to Trump's win or destroyed. That's the goal here. Right?
Steve Bannon (2:49)
I don't.
David Frum (2:49)
I don't think that the Trump administration is trying to solve an anti Semitism problem on campus. What the Trump administration is trying to do is destroy universities, and it wants to destroy universities with whatever tools it has. And it's destroying universities, I think, for the same reasons as trying to destroy the media or just trying to destroy the court system. It wants to. The Trump administration wants to eliminate or neutralize all of the institutions that could be independent sources of authority. Donald Trump came to office saying he was going to be a dictator on day one. The essence of dictatorship defy the Constitution and laws. He's done that on day one. And we know when dictators come to power, they very seldom voluntarily relinquish that authority. He's continued to break the law, and judges, by that above 80% rate across the board of who appointed them are rejecting him. We've won orders forcing him to stop targeting 6,000 FBI agents. Reinstate over 20,000 federal employees who were wrongly fired. Reinstate. She's back at work, the head of the Federal Labor Relations Authority. And then, in this latest victory, for the first time, it's a landmark case. A federal judge said Elon Musk and Doge unconstitutionally fed USAID into the wood chipper. No wonder Donald Trump and Stephen Miller and the other members of this administration are so angry. They're losing, and it's waking up political and popular opposition to this dictatorship. I mean, again, he says this every day. He's repeatedly threatened independent media outlets, including this one, for coverage he deems to be insufficiently fawning. He said that he thinks it's illegal, that people should be in jail. He is currently conducting an unprecedented attack on American higher education, including just today freezing $175 million in federal funding to his own alma mater, the University of Pennsylvania. He's openly defying the Constitution. He tries to deport illegal residents for his protected political speaker. This is it, man. This is. He's trying it. I'm not saying he's being successful. I'm not saying that, you know, all is lost and they're going to win and, you know, doom and gloom. But they're trying to do it. They're trying to get rid of independent voices of authority, purge them.
