Episode 4381: Breaking Up The Ivy League Mafia; Election Night Wisconsin

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room Episode: Breaking Up The Ivy League Mafia; Election Night Wisconsin
Release Date: April 1, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Dave Brat, Natalie Winters, Rich Stern, Ben Bergquam, Oscar Ramirez, Mike Lindell

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Introduction

In Episode 4381 of Bannon’s War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon, alongside guests Dave Brat and Natalie Winters, delves deep into the intertwined issues of elite academic institutions’ connections with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the resistance from leftist forces against the Trump administration, and the critical election night developments in Wisconsin. The episode interweaves discussions on media manipulation, economic policies, border security, and strategic voting to provide a comprehensive analysis of the current political landscape.

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1. Critique of Media and the Deep State

Stephen K. Bannon opens the episode with a strong condemnation of mainstream media and what he terms the "Deep State." He asserts that the media has been deceitful towards the American people, leading to widespread distrust and anger.

• Bannon (00:02): “This is the primal scream of a dying regime... The people have had a belly full of it.”

Dave Brat echoes this sentiment, highlighting the administration's effectiveness compared to previous congressional inactions on issues like border security and inflation.

• Brat (00:44): “The War Room is shooting on all cylinders... Today, President Trump and the White House is hitting on all cylinders.”

Natalie Winters expands on the concept of a resistance lab, describing it as a sophisticated tool for regime change orchestrated by the Democratic Party and their allies. She emphasizes the role of elite institutions in this orchestrated opposition.

• Winters (02:36): “Representative Pramila Jayapal... talking about this concept of a resistance lab... the most Aggressive tactic... color revolution.”

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2. Harvard’s Ties to the CCP and Elite Merger

Natalie Winters provides an in-depth analysis of the Harvard Ash Center, revealing its hidden funding sources from CCP-run entities. She argues that this creates an "elite merger" where American elites adopt CCP tactics to undermine the United States.

• Winters (04:00): “The Harvard Ash center... funded extensively by USAID... also funded by several Chinese Communist Party run entities, including the China Southern Power Grid Corporation.”

She references the Ash Center's pro-CCP propaganda and its involvement in training Democrat activists, highlighting the institution’s role in fostering anti-American sentiment.

• Winters (05:30): “They [Ash Center] were caught publishing pro Chinese Communist Party propaganda... they put out a report... 'Xi Jinping was, quote, as strong as ever.'”

Dave Brat questions the extent of Harvard's influence, suggesting that such institutions are pivotal in the ideological war against the U.S.

• Brat (06:38): “How bad is it and who's running this? Is Harvard... furthering the causes of the Chinese CCP?”

Winters continues by critiquing individuals like Erica Chenoweth, whose work she claims supports full-scale regime change through both violent and nonviolent means.

• Winters (07:28): “Her entire CV is... what is justified by any means necessary to achieve full scale regime change.”

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3. Economic Policies and Tariffs

Transitioning to economic discussions, Rich Stern from the Heritage Foundation discusses President Trump's tariff policies aimed at defending the U.S. auto industry and addressing reciprocal trade barriers.

• Stern (27:16): “President Trump intends these tariffs to defend the U.S. Auto industries... also going to be levied on car parts that come into the U.S.”

Dave Brat and Rich Stern examine the growing U.S. trade deficits and the impact of these policies on manufacturing and economic vitality.

• Brat (31:18): “The graph shows trade deficits with every country under the sun... Why do they keep increasing?”

• Stern (36:14): “The US Trade deficit is the story of the destruction of the US Economy... through foreign government coercion and our own government's incompetence.”

Stern emphasizes that President Trump's approach aims to renegotiate unfair trade practices and revive American manufacturing and innovation.

• Stern (34:46): “Trump is coming to the table saying enough is enough... to encourage them to hold a mirror up to their trade barriers.”

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4. Border Security and Cartel Violence

Ben Bergquam and Oscar Ramirez provide firsthand reports from Sinaloa, Mexico, detailing the rampant violence and insecurity caused by cartel wars. They highlight the lack of governmental response and the dire situation faced by citizens.

• Bergquam (38:15): “The citizens of Sinaloa have to live with the violence... the elite stay above. They get protected while the citizens get screwed.”

• Ramirez (40:04): “The cartel has infiltrated into the United States... more than 10,82 murders and 1600 people missing in 2024.”

Dave Brat underscores the moral and economic costs of the Biden administration's border policies, linking cartel violence to open border strategies.

• Brat (42:00): “What is the cost of all the 100,000 dead from fentanyl... it's just grotesque morally.”

Ramirez calls for immediate action to label cartels as terrorists and hold corrupt politicians accountable.

• Ramirez (40:42): “Label the cartels as terrorists... we need consequences. These politicians were receiving illicit money.”

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5. Election Coverage and Call to Action

As the episode progresses to election night coverage, Brian Scheming from Wisconsin emphasizes the critical importance of voting and mobilizing supporters to secure key congressional seats.

• Scheming (47:44): “Make sure you vote... call people who you know will vote with us... conservatives can win in Wisconsin tonight.”

Mike Lindell joins to rally listeners, stressing the significance of the Wisconsin Supreme Court race and promoting his products as part of the War Room’s initiatives.

• Lindell (49:59): “We need a conservative Supreme Court... support Mike Lindell by purchasing MyPillow products.”

Dave Brat reinforces the urgency, urging listeners to vote and support conservative causes to protect American values and policies.

• Brat (52:09): “Don't let people mock the cross. Go support Mike... spread the War Room and go vote.”

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Conclusion

Episode 4381 of Bannon’s War Room presents a forceful critique of elite institutions' ties with foreign powers, particularly the CCP, and underscores the perceived threats posed by leftist resistance and media manipulation. Through detailed discussions on economic policies, border security, and strategic voting, the episode calls on listeners to take immediate action to support the Trump administration's agenda and safeguard American interests.

Notable Quotes:

• Bannon (00:02): “This is the primal scream of a dying regime... it's going to happen.”
• Winters (07:28): “This whole resistance lab... are members of Congress... they just know that luckily we have a DOJ that's actually going to prosecute them.”
• Stern (36:14): “Through foreign government coercion and our own government's incompetence... millions of workers are now denied a shot of prosperity.”
• Brat (42:00): “It's just grotesque morally.”

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions and themes presented in the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who have not listened to it.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Natalie Winters]

And where do people like that go.

[Dave Brat]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Dave Brat]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Good evening. Welcome to the War Room. Dave Bratt sitting in with the great Stephen K. Bannon. And tonight in the A block, sitting in with a great Natalie Winters as well. The War Room is shooting on all cylinders. Never in my wild expectations, right. I was in Congress 10 years ago, so 14 to 18, the border invasion. Congress and the Senate really didn't lift a finger. The endless wars didn't lift a finger. The budget, the inflation piece, not too much. Today, President Trump and the White House is hitting on all cylinders. We're waiting for the House and the Senate to respond in kind. They're doing great work. But you have seen on this show, and only on this show, the scale and the scope of the resistance of the left. We get, the football, we get, we're trying to run down the field. The left blocks us every inch of the way. We deportation 10 million. They stop us at 100 with judges across the world. Now, as Steve's been showing on the show, I want to dig in to this, the deep state, the administrative state, that there's no one that has been better than this over the last years that our very own Natalie Winners now at the White House. Quite a shot she's got going right there. Coming up to you, Natalie, bring us up to speed. This morning you had a great piece exposing two of my favorites, China, the CCP and the Harvard Crimson, all in one story. Bring us up to speed on these connections, what they tell us about the Deep State and what can we do about this mess? Natalie?

[Natalie Winters]

Sure. Well, just to, I guess, wash, rinse and repeat in honor of Stephen K. Bannon this morning, sort of spread springboarding off of Rachel Maddow's show last night. Representative Pramila Jayapal going on there talking about this concept of a resistance lab, which is probably, I would say, the most Aggressive tactic not in protest, but in color revolution and full blown regime change that the Democratic Party and their allies are engaging in. We drilled down this morning on how the Harvard Ash center, which is helping to carry out this initiative, is not just itself funded by USAID and the State Department, but also the individual, a they them pronoun user who runs it, while she herself is actually funded extensively by usaid, having lectured there repeatedly in addition to receiving funds from the United States Institutes of Peace. In other words, I think the most important takeaway, you're not talking about run of the mill protests, civil disobedience, or disagreements with President Trump over policy disputes. You're talking about people who stabilize, study terrorism, violent protest and conflict to come to the conclusion that right now they might prefer nonviolent action, but that's only because they think it's more advantageous to their cause. We ran out of time, but I want to get to the sort of other side of the coin. The, I think equally important issue with this Harvard center, which is that it is also now, despite the fact that the web pages are deleted, so they won't tell you this now, but they're actually funded by several Chinese Communist Party run entities, including but not limited to the China Southern Power Grid Corporation, which is wholly run and operated by the Chinese Communist Party. Their entire board of directors is appointed by the ccp, in addition to New World China Enterprises Project, which similarly is one of these Chinese state owned enterprises whose board is completely controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. But this Ash center is particularly nefarious. We've actually reported, believe it or not, three or four years ago here in the War Room on this exact institute because they were caught publishing pro Chinese Communist Party propaganda. They put out a report called Understanding CCP Resilience, surveying Chinese public opinion through time, where they said that Xi Jinping was, quote, as strong as ever and under no imminent threat of popular upheaval. This report was hyped by the Chinese Communist Party saying, look how popular we are. We're doing better than the United States. And I think the most important takeaway from this, Dave, and you've obviously been around War Room probably longer than I have, but this idea, right, of elite merger as opposed to just elite compromise. But how American elites are quite envious, I think, of the powers that the Chinese Communist Party weaponizes over their people, believe it or not, this very same Ash center, which like we said, is training not just Democrat activists but members of Congress, well, they actually run, or used to run it's now held over at Cambridge. But China's Leaders in Development program for over a decade, which was, quote, widely recognized by the Chinese government as one of the best overseas training programs for government officials. Continuing their description, taught both at Tsinhua University, China, and Harvard Kennedy School, this multi week training program is specifically designed to help prepare senior local and central Chinese government officials to more effectively address the ongoing challenges of China's national reforms. Some of the people that they lectured include individuals from the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, which was actually sanctioned by the Trump administration for human rights abuses and their efforts to essentially repress the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Despite that, the same ash center that, like I said, is now training Democrat protesters was busy lecturing and even bringing Chinese Communist Party officials into meetings with State Department officials, members of Congress, and the fda.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, Natalie, it's just almost too overwhelming for the average American to take in. Yeah, right. It's not April Fools. Right. And so give us, you know, who. Who's at the top of this? Are they all in the top of this together? This obviously puts Harvard in a terrible spot. There. They've been caught. The stuff you're pointing out, this is probably just the tip of the iceberg. Like you always say, how bad is it and who's running this? Is. Is Harvard, you know, actually furthering the causes of the Chinese ccp? It's not like they need money. It really does appear that they're in this ideologically with a bunch of those grant foundations, some of the CIA cutouts you mentioned, and that there is an ideological war going on against the United States of America. Is that, is that what you conclude?

[Natalie Winters]

Well, of course it is. And I think they like to play a similar game that they did with the origins of COVID Right. Whereby the Chinese Communist Party, their globalist counterparts, we'll delete the evidence, erase the evidence, or make it so we can't see said evidence that COVID 19 originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, or that the disease or the vaccines themselves were bioweapons. And then they say, oh, well, you're conspiracy theorists because you can't produce the documents or evidence to support your claims. And it's sort of a similar thing. Right? That's what they do with dark money. That's what they do with the NGOs, that's what they do with the 990, 501C3 forms. But with what we're able to discern, it's extremely, extremely concerning. And I want to really, I think, make this person, although I won't say person, I won't bend the knee and use the pronouns. This woman, I think I don't even know. But Erica Chenoweth. But this is someone who I think it's really important to understand sort of where she comes from. Her entire CV is really about analyzing not what is morally, ethically or politically just, but what is justified by any means necessary to achieve not political change or paltry reforms, but full scale regime change. Okay. This individual has written about toppling dictators. She has written. I'll read you the stuff she's written, quote, the role of violence and nonviolent resistance. Resilient republics, why Terrorism does not Destroy democracy. The study of terrorism achievements and analytical challenges ahead. To bribe or to bomb? Do corruption and terrorism go together? Even lecturing on an event titled is Terrorism Ever Legitimate? And I think the most, I would say telling piece of work that this individual has, which really fits in with this whole color revolution paradigm that we hammering here in the war room since even before this election is a piece of work called why Civil Resistance Works, the Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict. Her team compared over 200 violent revolutions and 100 nonviolent campaigns demonstrations and came to the conclusion that at least through their metrics, nonviolent demonstrations were more effective. Now the buried lead in that is that they're studying tactics that are violent and this individual is studying tactics and how terrorism can be achieved to achieve political goals. And I think it's really just important to stress and you can't be overstated enough. Right. This whole resistance lab that's being propped up, this is not coming from the far, far left Democrat, socialist of America niche left wing activists. These are members of Congress. This is mainstream Democrat resistance. And we are on the precipice. I mean, you know me, I spend most of my days sadly watching this stuff. I have never seen these people be both so desperate but also so violent and so willing to say the quiet part out loud. And like I said this morning, what they're doing to the Teslas at the end of the day is what they want to do to you. They just know that luckily we have a DOJ that's actually going to prosecute them. But make no mistake, they're coming for you next.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah. So Natalie, I saw on that list some other, you know, very prominent names of, you know, Bloomberg corporate figures, very wealthy individual figures. These wealthy individuals, these foundations are funding Harvard. The money just flows to and fro. What's the upshot? What's, what's President Trump going to be doing on this front in higher ed to bring this nightmare to an end. Because, I mean, we've known like in philosophy there's deconstruction, they're tearing things down. But now you say now it's become institutional. This is in the Kennedy Senate. This is one of the most revered schools in the country at Harvard. And now seeping into the leftist Democrats who are full on deconstructionists, right? They, I hate to say it, but there are some of them that just obviously hate the country. In my view, it's a reaction. They hate God and family and country and all the fabric of American life. So what's the upshot here? What is the Trump administration going to do? What should Congress and the Senate be doing immediately?

[Natalie Winters]

Well, look, you're so right and so many of those philanthropic entities, I'm being euphemistic in my characterizations, but those are the same groups. I think the most telling sort of split screen was during the dnc, right, where you had the people burning the flags outside and then you had the members of Congress and elected officials and whatnot, the rank and file Democratic Party inside for once in their life, embracing the American flag. But the funny part is, I guess the sad part is that both of those entities are funded by these same exact people. And most of them are. What's on your screen right now.

[Dave Brat]

Right.

[Natalie Winters]

Whether it's the Tides foundation, the Open Society Foundations, probably the Chinese Communist Party and the State Department, it's really just a sliding scale of who in the Democratic Party is more compelled or convinced in their sort of performative drag show act of pretending like they don't hate this country. President Trump is obviously embarking, I think, on his sort of next crusade to go after the funding of these super radical, radical left wing institutions. But I think stories like these are important because we shouldn't just be defunding these institutions. Because what is going on with the whole Israel Hamas thing? Surely that's part of it, but that's tangential from this America first perspective. Here is the case. President Trump, the foremost leading organization that is curating Democrat Congress sponsored resistance protests and violent demonstrations against you that are probably open to using terrorism to get what they want. It's our tax dollars, it's your State Department, it's the United States Agency for International Development and a host of other government linked entities that are directly funding that. You should strip that funding immediately.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, right on the money. Natalie Winters, spot on as always. And you know, the irony is this is happening at the most elite institutions, the Chinese, the CCP are very intelligent with their targeting. They know the top schools that produce the leaders in this country. Not only the linkages Natalie shown, but training in the faculty and then training in all the students that are flowing out of these schools. This is the mindset that is coming out of these ivies. The Harvard's, the Yales, the Princetons, the Berkeleys, the Michigan's, the Madisons. Steve's gone over and over and over all these and so Natalie, you're spot on. Natalie, do you want to stick after the break or you got to hit it?

[Natalie Winters]

I'm happy to stay as long as you want me. You know, it's like I'm so glad Steve is not back in prison. It's always an honor to do this show with you on better terms. So any. As long as you want me, I'm here.

[Dave Brat]

Good. All right, Natalie, we'll keep you over the break. We got a great show folks. We got the border coming up. We got some economics on the tariffs coming up. None of us can do justice the way Steve Bannon does. But Natalie and I are going to do our best and we're thankful for you. Please help us spread the war room.

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[Dave Brat]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. All right, back in the war room, Dave Brat sitting in with great Stephen K. Bannon and Natalie Winters is sticking around with us. There is a lot of Attention on the White House press corps right now. The war room is lucky to have Natalie and her team right in the perimeter. It's just a treat. We get to have the inside view. And so, Natalie, one of the things that bugs me is the mainstream media. There's really a moral piece here. Their refusal to cover the main issues of the Trump agenda. Right. There's no economic analysis. There's no mainstream coverage of the border invasion, of the massive debt, the inflation, the weakness of the economy. Now they're saying the weakness of the economy all goes on Trump. Right. Like four weeks in and then the endless wars. Right. The war room. You, Steve, everyone's been right on all these issues. And so give us a peek behind the window as you go into the White House with the correspondents. What's it looking like? Are we going to finally get the information out to the American people?

[Natalie Winters]

Well, sure. I mean, every day, braving the smugness and pseudo intellectualism of the class of people who have done more damage to this country than maybe the Democrat Party, though I guess they're really just an appendage of that whole institution. It's honestly just so. I hate the fact that they're even technically my colleagues. But all that aside, I mean, I think why I'm there, why it's so important. Obviously, Democrats lost all institutional power, their efforts to wage the color revolution. It can't come from impeaching him in the House for now, which is why you got to make sure you go and vote today. But more importantly, the media is sort of ground zero, right, for waging this information warfare and being in there, eavesdropping, hearing the conversations. I mean, it's just a complete animosity for the average American worker. They think that people would have compassion for illegal aliens who, like, may or may not be a part of MS.13. How about this? If there's any question about whether or not you engaged in human trafficking, maybe you shouldn't be in this country to begin with. I just put that on the front door of the Atlantic magazine's headquarters because apparently they like to depict Ms. 13 members as Father of the years down in. Or I guess up in Maryland. But all that aside, I think what the White House is doing to rid that institution, that building of some of its worst offenders is absolutely wonderful. Love the lawsuit that AP is currently duking it out over the Gulf of America. But to that point, obviously, just my presence in there, I think triggers them, which I take great pride in. But more precisely, right. The efforts to redo the seating Chart are sort of the latest, I think, front in the war against the White House correspondents. This association with a lot of these legacy media people who, I guess, don't quite know how to read or understand charts or numbers, because I don't think they quite know that they're actually doing significantly less views and inferior in terms of viewership than most of the people who are likely going to actually take their seats. The White House Correspondents association is already pledging or potentially planning to hold some sort of sit in. In other words, if their seats are stripped from them, they might not actually get up and relinquish said seats. I think that we should call the same people, what was it from Doge who raided the United States Institute of Peace and have them remove the White House Correspondents association from their seats that they will hopefully soon no longer belong in. But these people are just so entitled. The point, right, the reworking of the pool. This is about democratizing. And yes, I use that word intentionally to troll msnbc, the flow of media. And you know what? I'm sorry, you did it the first term. You don't get to have open shots on goal against the Trump administration time after time to try to smear him for what? His original sin, his cardinal sin of trying to secure the southern border. These people are despicable. And the fact that they think dunking on the Trump administration comes in the form of saying, oh, well, the multimillion dollar contract that you supported stripping for transgender musicals in Columbia, it actually came from the State Department and not usaid. So we gotcha. The American people will support it then. Just shows you how out of touch they are.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah. Natalie, give us a little rundown. Back when I was in Congress, I had no recourse, right? When I lost to a Democrat, the Democrat made the announcement plan in the Atlantic, which is a CIA cutout, and my opponent was from the CIA. So I've since learned about all this from you and the other great people in intelligence. And I mean, you just can't make this up. And so back when I was in, you would just see the lead story would be generated, sometimes it was locally and then it go up and bounce off the Washington Post and then make its way around the country. And then other times, the Washington Post and New York Times would take the lead and it would trickle down to your locals. And this is not just true of me. I mean, this. It was so blatant and we didn't have a bullhorn until Trump came along. Then all of a sudden, right back Then Paul Ryan, the Republican leadership, they wouldn't support us. The Senate side, the same thing right now, what is the order of operations? Does the AP still try to kind of lead and trickle down the news to the other biggies, the New York Times, Washington Post? How do they share information? They're still using the same exact talking points. So just give us a brief overview and then we're going to go to Rich Stern and do a little economics.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, I think just like there's sort of a diversity of, you know, right wing outlets and I think the war room sort of has a comparative advantage and arming our listeners with actual action oriented tasks, right, where you have agency, you can actually use something to change it. I think a lot of these sort of older, more establishment left wing media outlets are sort of still playing in the ideological frame. But I think the ones that we focus on, it's why we play msnbc. It's why you keep hearing the Atlantic, right? Those are not bringing knives to a gunfight, but bringing tanks to a gunfight, which is information warfare. And when you watch Rachel Maddow, when you watch shows like that, you can see that she starts her show 20 minutes every night with extensive, extensive coverage, live footage of protest after protest after protest, trying to create this sort of astroturfed idea that the American people are in such staunch opposition to what President Trump is doing. And like we saw last night having on a member of Congress essentially calling for like pseudo violent terrorism in the streets. Predictive programming at best, an outright call to violence. And I point people to, I think Steve and I are going to get into it tomorrow. But MSNBC on Sunday had a scholar who used to work for the CIA in the January 6th committee. So that shows you her repertoire, her resume. But they did a whole 20 minute segment where this individual is essentially alleging that a civil war is going to start in the United States, States of America, because I didn't quite get the logic train. But essentially Donald Trump is an autocrat and what we're doing to this country is so reprehensible that it would be morally justified for Democrats to sort of rebel. So this is what we're talking about, which I think goes back to the story we were talking about earlier. Right? There are left wing media outlets, much like there are right wing media outlets who like to be performative or sort of controlled opposition are okay with the strongly worded letters and the strongly worded tweets. Then there are outlets like, I think you see the Atlantic, msnbc, certain hosts on that network really Toying around, and I'm speaking metaphorically, but what can only be described as the raw materials for kinetic political revolution. Right. And that's sort of the, I think not diminishing returns, but if anything, the inverse of that, which is the only expanded returns, that of all the smears that they, they hurled against President Trump on the campaign, painting him as a dictator, as an autocrat, as an authoritarian, that is giving their audience, giving, I don't know, would be Trump assassins. The moral, political and ethical justification and cover to engage in outside the system tactics outside the system change. You could essentially justify assassination under the frameworks that they've put forward with the way that they smear President Trump. Right. But it's about double standards and they just don't care. And I would leave it at this, right. The same people who are apoplectic, apoplectic over President Trump wanting to take back or take over the Panama Canal, the Giuk Gap in Greenland, going after the Houthis, or putting tariffs on the Chinese Communist Party. Did any of those media outlets ever lose it when the Chinese Communist Party deployed, what was it, a multi year, multi decade little thing called the Belt and Road Initiative, where they were trying to take over the entire world currency, ports, infrastructure? No. Absolutely nothing. But President Trump talks about Canada and it's as if he's like, committed a mortal sin. So these people don't care about the United States of America. They are running dogs for a global elite epitomized by the United nations, the World Economic Forum, George, Sweden, Soros and poor me that I have to deal with them every day. I do it for the audience. But these people do not love this country. It is quite apparent in their questions, their actions and. Scum of the earth, truly.

[Dave Brat]

Yep. Natalie Winters, Full circle starts. Ccp, China, Harvard Keynesians, big government, folks. Irony of ironies. President Trump is trying to take apart the regime, right? He, he's not the autocrat. He's not the one that's setting up a big government. He's tearing it down and bringing it back to the founding principles and the founding virtue, among which the chief one is liberty and freedom. And so that's what we're fighting for. Natalie, thanks for the great overview. What's going on with the ccp, Harvard, and in our media? Great job as always. Thank you, Natalie.

[Natalie Winters]

Thank you, Dave.

[Dave Brat]

You bet. All right, we're going to go to Rich Stern with Heritage Foundation. I'm not sure if we've got him up video yet or if he's just with us by radio. By phone. Sorry about that. But Rich, we got a minute left. We're going to go into trade and tariffs. But why don't you give us your bottom line on what you think is coming from President Trump in the next couple days and your reaction to it. Richard, hey.

[Rich Stern]

Well, always great to have you there. Always great to see you, but phone works as well. So look at two things that are coming up tomorrow. One is the auto tariffs. President Trump intends these to design to defend the US Auto industries. And of course, they're going to be imposed on foreign made autos. But we do have to be a little careful because they're also going to be levied on car parts that come into the U.S. even ones that go into U.S. car factories that assemble cars. So again, this is part of his overall negotiation statecraft. If these other countries reduce their barriers where it comes cars and autos, the other one is one of the reciprocal tariffs. So of course, these tariffs that Trump is going to impose to match the trade barriers that these other countries do. And let's keep in mind these countries will impose.

[Dave Brat]

Right back. Richard, we're going to be right back with you in three seconds. Stay with us over the break. Rich Stern, right back.

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Host, Stephen K. Band. All right, back in the war room, Dave Bratt sitting in for the great Stephen K. Bannon. All political views are my own, but Natalie Winters hit it out of the park. Now we got Rich Stern with us from Heritage foundation, their economic policy expert. Rich, thanks for being with you. I cut you off in your summary. You were hitting on the reciprocal tariffs, first of all, the auto tariffs, secondly, reciprocal. Keep going on that intro and then we'll get into some meat and potatoes.

[Rich Stern]

Absolutely. So the important thing about the reciprocal tariffs is that as we were talking about, all of these other countries we deal with impose quotas and tariff barriers, they tax our products, they regulate and make it hard for our producers to send things there. And at the same time, you know what they will do? They will subsidize their producers so that they can dump products on our markets, their ill gotten gains. So what Trump is talking about here is using a strategy of meeting their tariffs or our tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, to encourage them to holding a mirror up to them to say look at the trade barriers you've imposed and encourage them to get rid of those trade barriers. But it goes beyond that. It's also about making sure that they decouple from China the way that we are. They remove Chinese communist influence and again for some of these countries in particular, that they stopped facilitating Chinese fentanyl and other drugs and terrorists coming across the US Border. Now, no one knows the exact details on what the reciprocal tariffs are going to look like, but that's the goal. And those are the sort of things that Trump is intending to use them for, to negotiate for wins for the American public and the American economy.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, very good, Richard. I'm going to put a couple of graphs up. You'll be familiar with them, Denver, if you want to put up the first one. Lighthizer was on the Tucker show the other day, Rich, and made some, you know, just great points. We're not talking about, you know, a few little tariffs against the US and about, you know, some little trade deficits. The graph on the left I'm showing, Rich, has trade deficits going up and up and up with the rest of the world. Just massive now huge trade deficits with the rest of the world. And then on the far right of that graph you see under Trump 1, you see Trump making some inroads against China on the size of the deficit. And then I'm going to skip to a few graphs. But basically, Rich, why don't you just comment on that? The size of the trade deficits, they're growing up and up and up by the year they're with every country. The chart, you can put that chart up right there, Denver, that's a good one. On the far right, it shows we have trade Deficits with every country under the sun, and they're major and so, rich, why don't you just. What's the consequences of that over time? Lighthizer said manufacturing. If you lose manufacturing, you also lose all the nice properties of research and development, innovation, the entrepreneurial spirit, you know, not to mention your inner cities. So what's the, you know, in economics, you know, getting consumer goods and exchange back and forth, as they teach you, it's kind of good. But what's the upshot of having huge deficits forever?

[Rich Stern]

Well, and to your point on that, the story of the US Trade deficit is the story of the destruction of the US Economy, of our entrepreneurialism, of our access to capital to build for our futures, and, of course, yes, the gutting of our manufacturing base. Now, what I would say is this is a story that begins with liberals in D.C. trying to destroy our manufacturing base. The EPA declared war on our manufacturers and miners long before China did. But of course, China and a lot of these other countries piled on top, using their own currency manipulation, dumping all these other sorts of things to get in there and double down on the regulatory burdens of the leftist state within the US to destroy our manufacturing. So that trade deficit is also representative of this loss of jobs and communities and all of these things that have been done both by the US Government itself and by foreign governments, global elites in both places that have put their aim square on and against American workers and families and communities. Now, as you brought up, part of why Trump was able to counter some of this is he cut taxes for US Producers, he cut regulatory burden. He allowed American businesses and inventors and entrepreneurs to invent, to get back to doing what made America the greatest country in the first place, which was to be the brain trust of the world, the place where everything was not just invented, but manufactured. And if we compare what Trump is doing right now to deal with these foreign barriers with also dismantling the deep state here and deregulation and tax cuts, then we can, in fact, have that renaissance and get back to an America that is the laboratory and the factory of the world.

[Dave Brat]

Yep, I know. We got to get back to it. Rich, let me ask you one more question. I'm going to go to the border, which is also related. I mean, it's just a disaster. Thank God we've got a window here to get things right. Denver, if you want to put up the next chart. So we covered the magnitude of the deficits. They're growing massively. They're with every country on the Earth. And Then Lighthizer's point number two, this chart. I hope President Trump hauls this thing out. It's a graph we're looking at, Rich. It's got tariff barriers and non tariff barriers and the G20, the richest countries. And at the very bottom, the most free trade country is the usa. Right. So it's kind of stunning. I'm dying to hear the Wall Street Journal respond to this type of chart, or the, the Economist or Jamie Dimon or the major bankers who are all sharing mainstream media talking points. It's just outrageous what they're doing. This chart has Canada, Mexico, China, all the rest of the countries above us, 2 to 300% double, triple the size of our tariff and non tariff barriers. And so it's a little ironic that the free trade folks should be on board here to level the playing field. Rich, just a minute or two, what's your, what do you have to say about the magnitude of these tariff and non tariff barriers being leveled against us and just trying to set the level playing field?

[Rich Stern]

Well, I'm, I'm shocked that these globalist elite bankers you're talking about haven't pointed out these things. Right. But I think that that hits the nail right on the head there. And you have to remember the history of this, of course, is that coming out of World War II, the US had something like half of all of the goods production on the entire planet and 70% of the oil production, virtually all of the car production, etc. And so what happened was the US government, as a geopolitical matter, negotiated with these countries to allow them to have high tariff rates so that they could overtly take advantage of, of the wealth of America to quote, rebuild. This is something that wasn't good for American workers or factories then. These are things that were negotiated, frankly by antifamily, anti worker, anti manufacturing leftist governments in the United States. And in the decades that have since we have not opened the hood and renegotiated this, we have allowed these countries to have their own unique rules, impose trade barriers to never have to come to terms with that. And so finally you have a US President who's coming to the table saying enough is enough. You got to play by the same reason.

[Dave Brat]

Yep. Rich, I'm going to come back to you with just kind of the moral question. The US Is always trying to be the good guy for the whole world. We get rolled. Now we're talking to our friends, the eu, the Europeans, the Mexicans, Canadians were saying, come on folks, you know, let's get it straight you know, you're. You're not being fair. I'm going to come back to you with a moral piece. But right now, we're going to go to the border to Ben Bergquam and Oscar Ramirez and talk about a moral story pulling at the heartstrings. Guys, tee us up with the latest reporting. It's just. It's just awful, and we've got to get this right. Thanks for doing what you guys do.

[Ben Bergquam]

Yeah, no, it's great to be with you, Dave. We're actually a little off the border in Sinaloa in cartel country of El Chapo's hometown, and the. You know, now that you've got the warring factions between the Chipitos and the El Nail crew and all these guys, and it's just death and destruction everywhere. The bottom line, Dave, is, what's shocking to me is as we were driving back to our hotel yesterday, there was a kidnapping that took place on the road we were driving on. We drove past it just minutes later, and there was no response. There was no police response. There was nobody there to pick it up and say, hey, something bad happened here. Basically, the people live with Stockholm syndrome down here, and they have. They've become accustomed to this. But the reason we're out here, I just want to set the stage. The governor of Sinaloa is actually hiding in that building because he's afraid of the cartels. He's living in the governor's mansion, the palace behind us. But the citizens of Sinaloa have to live with the violence, and that's the reality. The elite stay above. They get protected while the citizens, the people get screwed.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah. Oscar, you want to throw anything else in there?

[Oscar Ramirez]

Well, the insecurity factor. This is really important for the United States of America because the cartel has infiltrated now into the United States of America. And we have to show that. We have to show the epicenter of insecurity which is happening on this cartel war between Chapitos and Los Magitos, which just is statistically, Dave, on the year of 2024, more than 10, 82 murders, you know, just on homicides and killings due to the cartel. And more than 1600 people were missing. Also on the year of 2024, impunity. Not even one case was resolved. We trying to show this to the American people, to stop this and to basically secure the border and to, you know, attack this and to label the cartels as terrorists as they need to be labeled immediately by the Mexican government.

[Ben Bergquam]

And, yeah, the takeaway on all this is none of this is going to change until the politicians that are involved with the cartels and the media that's involved with the cartels and the activist groups that are involved with the cartels are all held accountable. We need arrest in every level of government in Mexico and we need the same thing in America. Everybody who allowed the invasion into America needs to be arrested and held accountable. And the same thing happened, needs to happen down here. Or else it's just going to be a repeating cycle where you pick a new head. In this case, we're the president of Mexico's protecting El Mayo. You put your position, him in position to take power and then you have the same problem over and over and over again.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, outstanding, guys. I got, I want to push a little bit on this moral thing. As an economist, our job is to explain the full cost and benefits of a policy, right? So when it comes to the border invasion policy of the Biden administration, all political views are my own. The costs. I'd love for the economists to try to grapple with the costs of that little kid that was just kidnapped. What's the cost? What's the cost of all the 100,000 dead from fentanyl? What's the cost of rapes and abuse of little girls and boys? And it's just, it's just grotesque morally. And then on top of that, that's their charge. That's their job. They know what their job is. Then you have the mainstream media and the leftists and Natalie was just on reporting at the infiltration of the CCP funding Harvard and the Kennedy School, right? And so you're right, it's the politicians, but, you know, we hate to put it on the war room always, but it's on the people, right? The people keep putting in congressmen and women and senators who just do not seem to have the moral backbone necessary for a fight. But one minute in closing, guys, thanks. Thank you for having the moral courage to do what you do. Close us out here in a minute or so, guys.

[Ben Bergquam]

Yeah. The cost benefit. You look at what's happening down here, you've got a country that lives with Stockholm syndrome. You got people that are screwed in between that. And you got these, these, these people pretending that there's a value to this when the cartels are making billions of dollars. The reality is, the sad thing is you drive across the city and you see the opportunity that could be here. You see these businesses that could be in business that are all shut down now because of the violence that comes along with this. The same thing Happens in America. You are replacing good value with bad value and that's what you have. You have evil value being replaced where good value should be. That's the bottom line that the Biden.

[Oscar Ramirez]

Administration did to Central America and South America is irreparable. The cartel, because of these open border policies, have grown twice as bigger in economy, territory, you know, financially, technology. So this gives them a lot of power and it is another stepping stone for the Trump administration to fight this. You know, this is. We need consequences. That's the first thing that needs to happened to these dirty politicians, that they're absolutely. This is not a speculation or creating hysteria. It is a reality. These politicians were receiving illicit money by, you know, cartel campaign. So that needs to be fixed.

[Dave Brat]

Right? It's always the money. Thank you, gentlemen. As Natalie, you start seeing why the media and why the economists won't cover this because they're funded by all. Everybody on that list that Natalie showed you, follow the money. We gotta replace the corruption folks. Back in the war room.

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[Dave Brat]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band, Foreign. Welcome back to the War Room. Dave Brat sitting in with our great Stephen K. Bannon. Today we have Rich Stern from the Heritage foundation, our economic policy expert. We've been covering, covering the Trump tariffs. No media attention to both sides of this issue, right? There's just one. One side. They're just trying to show the economy's in disarray. In 30 days right. The economy went from growth to disaster, according to mainstream media. And so rich in economics, sometimes it's what you don't see. How did we lose our cities? What's the true moral story? The economy matters to President Trump, I think, more than the stock market. The rich own the stock market. The rich, 10% own 90% of stocks, bonds, pensions. And the middle class constantly gets left behind. So how do you close this out on trade? What's the moral case here that needs to be made rich?

[Rich Stern]

Stern, I think you're exactly right about Trump's priorities, which is that, yes, the stock market is merely a capture of different price signals and it's a future looking device, but that isn't the economy. You're right. The economy is where you go to work, where you get the goods and services from that you need for you, for your family, the roof over your head and how it got there. And it's exactly the point about economics. You can always point to something that exists, but it's hard to point to something that could have been, that was denied the chance to come into existence. And you can't easily point to a place that was thriving 50 years ago and isn't now. And the truth is, through the story we have talked about, through foreign government coercion, through our own government's incompetence and maliciousness, they have come together to deny many Americans a shot of prosperity. There are thousands of towns across America that are in despair, that have lost their vitality and their livelihood, and it is because of this nexus. And so while some people will point to some market jitters as a problem of what's going on with Trump, the other way to look at it is there's thousands of towns, there's tens of millions of workers who now can have a shot of prosperity because of what Trump is trying to do for them.

[Dave Brat]

Yep, spot on. Rich Stern, Heritage Foundation Economic Policy Great job, Rich. Thanks for being with us on the War Room.

[Rich Stern]

Always a pleasure. Thanks for having me.

[Dave Brat]

All right, folks, we're going to pivot over to the elections. The War Room's been covering these Florida, Wisconsin. Now we have Brian Sheming with us, Wisconsin. Brian, if you want to give us an overview of what's at stake in your state, and then if you want to do a tour de force in a few minutes over the entire country, what's the war Room got to do? We know the answer, but give us the most effective, efficient ways we can get out there. Thanks, Brian.

[Brian Scheming]

Dave, so great to be with you. The best thing that People can do that are watching. You and I right now are a to go vote. If you haven't voted, make sure you vote. The polls close at three hours from now here in Wisconsin at 8pm Central. The second thing and the most power you've got is right here in your hand and that is your telephone. Go into your contact file. And I don't care who it is who's watching. Right now, there are five to 10 people in your contact file where if you call them and say, I really need you to help me in the next couple hours save Wisconsin and help save President Trump, be that direct about it and just go to your phone right now and call people who you know will vote with us, who probably voted with President Trump back in November when we won Wisconsin, where Wisconsin put the President over 270 electoral votes that night. Those people, we motivate those people, Dave, to go vote. And the conservatives can win in Wisconsin tonight.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, Brian. And what's at stake with a win or versus a loss?

[Brian Scheming]

Real quick, Two congressional seats that the Dems are targeting in Wisconsin. And if we lose two congressional seats because a liberal Supreme Court comes back and rewrites the congressional map, that can take the House majority down even closer and which we do not need. So it's not only that that's the most immediate, but school Choice, charter schools, Governor Walker's Act 10 reforms. Right to work. It's all on the line in the Supreme Court race in Wisconsin today.

[Dave Brat]

Yep. Brian, scheming your force. I enjoyed talking with you about six months a year ago. You're a great guy, great leader. You always got a positive attitude. Thanks for being with us tonight, brother, on the War Room. Appreciate you.

[Brian Scheming]

Great to be with you, Dave. Thanks for all your leadership.

[Dave Brat]

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