Episode 4398: Making Coal Workers Great Again; Senate Finance Committee Hammers Greer

Summary

Episode Summary: Bannon’s War Room – Episode 4398: Making Coal Workers Great Again; Senate Finance Committee Hammers Greer

Release Date: April 9, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Jameson Greer (Senate Finance Committee), Natalie Winters, Zach Ertel (Coal Miner, Pennsylvania)

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1. Opening Remarks and Trade Policy Debate

[00:00 - 04:43]
The episode begins with Stephen K. Bannon engaging in light-hearted banter with Jameson Greer, setting a collegial tone. The primary focus quickly shifts to a heated discussion on the Trump administration's recent trade policies, particularly the imposition of tariffs on Australia and China.

Key Discussion Points:

• Trade Deficit Concerns:
  Jameson Greer emphasizes the unprecedented $1.2 trillion trade deficit inherited from President Biden, questioning the rationale behind imposing tariffs on a key ally like Australia despite existing free trade agreements.
  Greer: “We're addressing the $1.2 trillion deficit, the largest in human history that President Biden left us with.” [01:02]

• Impact on Jobs and Economy:
  Stephen K. Bannon challenges the effectiveness of these tariffs, arguing that they jeopardize trust with allies and do not significantly address the trade imbalance. He contends that media narratives exaggerate the negative economic impacts.
  Bannon: “The only reason people have any concern at all is because the running dog for the capitalists on Wall street and the media continues to go on with this false narrative...” [04:48]

• Senate Finance Committee’s Stance:
  Jameson Greer maintains that reversing tariffs in response to job losses is unlikely, asserting confidence in the administration’s trade strategy to reshore manufacturing jobs.
  Greer: “If Trump tariffs push workers out of their jobs and raise prices, as Fed Chair Powell has predicted, will you reverse course then? I think not.” [04:43 - 05:00]

2. Energy Policy and the Coal Industry

[16:27 - 24:10]
Natalie Winters interviews Zach Ertel, a coal miner from Pennsylvania, highlighting the administration's commitment to revitalizing the coal industry through "clean coal" initiatives.

Key Discussion Points:

• Support for Clean Coal:
  Zach Ertel praises President Trump for treating coal workers with respect and discusses how clean coal policies foster competition in the energy sector, leading to lower electricity costs for Americans.
  Ertel: “What this does for America is it brings competition back into the energy sector. So that means lower prices for Americans on their electric bill.” [18:20]

• Opposition from Democrats and Activists:
  The conversation addresses the aggressive opposition from Democrats and climate change activists, with Ertel attributing the resistance to a lack of understanding of the coal industry's technological advancements and economic importance.
  Ertel: “It’s sheer ignorance on how the world operates.” [19:23]

• Economic and Familial Impact:
  Ertel emphasizes the long-term benefits of Trump's policies, ensuring job security and sustaining the coal legacy for future generations.
  Ertel: “He’s keeping the legacy of coal going for other generations to come.” [21:15]

3. Media Critique and Democratic Opposition

[27:09 - 38:35]
Stephen K. Bannon and Natalie Winters delve into the media's portrayal of Republican policies and Democratic strategies to undermine Trump's administration.

Key Discussion Points:

• Color Revolution and Resistance:
  Bannon discusses the concept of color revolutions, suggesting that Democratic-backed organizations like USAID are orchestrating anti-Trump movements through strategic training and funding.
  Bannon: “They’re using words like color revolutions, autocratic breakthrough... to oppose President Trump.” [31:53]

• Mainstream Media’s Role:
  Natalie Winters criticizes media outlets, particularly Rachel Maddow, for amplifying protest movements and creating hysteria to delegitimize Trump’s policies.
  Winters: “Rachel Maddow is going crazy... they’re trying to gin up hysteria among the defeated Democratic base.” [36:23]

• Legal Battles and Judicial Influence:
  The episode touches on recent federal court rulings against the Associated Press regarding the Gulf of America tariffs, framing it as part of a broader judicial strategy to counter Trump’s trade policies.
  Bannon: “A federal court has ruled that the ban on the Associated Press regarding the Gulf of America is unconstitutional.” [33:42]

4. Interview with Coal Miner Zach Ertel

[16:27 - 24:10]
Natalie Winters conducts an in-depth interview with Zach Ertel, a coal miner from Pennsylvania, to showcase the human impact of Trump’s energy policies.

Notable Quotes:

• Ertel on Democratic Hypocrisy:
  “The hypocrisy that comes from the left is unmatched... they don’t understand we need to utilize all the natural resources we have to keep low cost energy prices to the American people.” [19:23]

• Winters on Populist Messaging:
  “Today really shows you the mask has dropped on the so-called populist left.” [25:05]

5. Closing Remarks and Future Outlook

[38:47 - End]
Stephen K. Bannon wraps up the episode by reinforcing the administration’s commitment to energy dominance and trade restructuring. He highlights upcoming discussions on diplomatic efforts with Iran and Russia, emphasizing the strategic importance of energy deals in fostering peace and prosperity.

Key Insights:

• Energy Dominance as Geopolitical Strategy:
  Bannon underscores the significance of energy independence and dominance in global politics, suggesting that securing energy resources is pivotal for national security and economic stability.
  Bannon: “President Trump is prepared to give anything a shot... to take the shackles off the American energy industry.” [55:13]

• Anticipated Geopolitical Tensions:
  The host warns of potential geopolitical turbulence, including conflicts in the Middle East and the South China Sea, positioning Trump’s energy policies as a foundation for mitigating these threats.
  Bannon: “The foundation of that will be a huge massive energy deal that will benefit the folks in Western Europe.” [55:16]

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Conclusion

Episode 4398 of Bannon’s War Room strategically covers the Trump administration’s aggressive trade and energy policies, emphasizing their benefits for American workers and criticizing Democratic opposition and mainstream media narratives. Through in-depth interviews and robust discussions, the episode advocates for a strong, America-first approach to economic and energy dominance while highlighting ongoing legal and geopolitical challenges.

Notable Quotes Recap:

• Stephen K. Bannon: “The lack of trust from friends and allies based upon this ridiculous policy is extraordinary.” [02:09]
• Jameson Greer: “We have to get those jobs. So I take that as a no.” [05:00]
• Zach Ertel: “President Trump is keeping the legacy of coal going for other generations to come.” [21:15]
• Natalie Winters: “What it means is that the American working class has never actually had a president who was willing to put them first.” [31:53]

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Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Fan of Eric show back in those days. And today, Eric, when you went from the oval down that small hallway to. That's the little dining room at the end, you pass what we turned into a reading room. That's the Monica Lewinsky Memorial Memorial Bill Clinton side office. That. That we did. We. We hadn't had an exorcism yet. So nobody. I was afraid. Reince and everybody were afraid to go in there. But that's the Monica. That little reading room is the Monica Lewinsky Memorial. Don't. Don't touch me. You were the owner. Touch the desk.

[Jameson Greer]

I see.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We'll give it to you, brother. I would love to do your. Your idea at some point, man. Take it away, Eric. No, I'll text you after the show. I love the Gulf of America idea. Got it. Okay. By the way, Gulf of America, which was named by. I think that it came up with Kevin Bock, right. Jack Posobic's brother. At least Kevin Boic claims that. Golf America, I love it. We have an interesting cold open. Our camera crew is getting relocated from the East Room. Natalie's going to open the show. Let's go ahead and play the cold open. Let's go ahead. Let her rip.

[Jameson Greer]

There is a trade.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We already have a free trade agreement. We have a trade surplus. So getting the least bad. Why did they get whacked in the first place?

[Jameson Greer]

We're addressing the $1.2 trillion deficit, the largest in human history that President Biden left us with. We should be running up the score in Australia on Australia.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We have a trade surplus with Australia. We have a free trade agreement. Why? They are incredibly important national security partner. Why were they whacked with a tariff?

[Jameson Greer]

Senator, despite the agreement, they ban our beef. They ban our pork. They're getting ready to impose measures on our digital companies with your Greek letter formula.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The fact that we have a trade.

[Jameson Greer]

Surplus, we have a global tariff on every. We're trying to address the $1.2 trillion. I think that answer that Biden left us with.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I think that answer, sir, you're a much smarter person than that answer. The idea that we are going to whack friend and foe alike, and particularly.

[Jameson Greer]

Friends with this level is both. I think insulting the Australians undermines our national security and frankly makes us not.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

A good partner going forward. The lack of trust from friends and allies based upon this ridiculous policy that goes into full effect at midnight tonight is extraordinary.

[Jameson Greer]

If 700,000Americans lose their jobs, will the Trump administration suspend these tariffs? Senator, I think the economists who are making these projections who often are in favor of fully unfettered free trade are the same ones who said in the first Trump term that. Mr. Greer. Ambassador, let me just stop you there. I'm not asking about projections. I'm asking if the numbers show that 700,000 people have lost their jobs because of these new tariffs that Trump has slapped on, will the administration reverse course and lift those tariffs? Senator, that's not going to happen. We've lost 5 million manufacturing jobs over the years, which is the number I'm most worried about, and we have to get those jobs. So I take that as a no. Let me try another one. Moody says that if the Trump tariffs remain in place, we will definitely plunge into a recession, which will ultimately cost three and a half million Americans their jobs. So, Ambassador Greer, if Trump's tariffs push three and a half million people out of work, will the Trump administration reverse course and lift those tariffs? Senator, the Wall street analysts are wrong. They never want to have any kind of change to the status quo. But that's who. You're quoting to me a number. If Trump tariffs push workers out of their jobs and raise prices, as Fed Chair Powell has predicted, will you reverse course then? I think also with respect to Chairman Powell, who I don't know personally, but I know the President makes decisions on trade and he rarely takes advice from Chairman Powell on this, we found in Trump one that you could put tariffs on China and you could make it work and have lower income, sorry, lower unemployment, lower inflation, and increase real median household income over time, as we reshore. And that's what we have to do. Senator, what I'm hearing you say is that no one can hear a rhyme or reason to why the tariffs are off again, on again, off again, on again. But what you're telling us is the fact that hundreds of thousands, even millions of people could lose their jobs and that prices could go up will not be a factor for you or for Donald Trump for rolling those tariffs back. We just had Liberation Day.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

But many Americans are concerned that prices.

[Jameson Greer]

Are going to go up and tariffs, Americans.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, stop. This is just. The only reason people have any concern at all is because the running dog for the capitalists on Wall street in the lords of easy money media continues to go on with this false narrative that prices are going up, stock market is going to crash, everything's going to happen over and over and over again without looking at any ev. Some of the strictest tariffs ever on China in 17 and 18 and. And prices didn't go up at all on Chinese product this is just a false, another false narrative put out by the media. It's the same as all the lies they told about the pandemic, all the lies they told about the Ukraine, all the lies they told about the Seoul election. I could go on, on and on and on. The only people worked up about. Did the market crash today? No, did not. You have a sorting out of things? I didn't say it was not going to be any turbulence. Didn't have any crash, didn't have gold Bl roof, nothing that was prophesied yesterday. And look, Trump went hard and it shows you, I think to the world he's not a maximalist. I was always for the reciprocity, but the reciprocity has a maximalist side. We just go and match whatever your analysis shows. He was also thinking there was tension around with President Trump to just do tiered at 20%. He did do reciprocity, which I thought was very important to show the American people how people have abused the United States of America and American companies. President Trump said, Mr. Greer, that he had no choice in terms of Canada, and I live 50 miles away from the Canadian border. He had no choice but to bypass Congress and to impose an emergency 25% tariff on Canada to stop, quote, the massive, end quote amount of fentanyl and, quote, the millions and millions of undocumented immigrants coming from the northern border. Unfortunately, that's a lie. The truth is that the U.S. customs and Border Protection reported just 43 pounds of fentanyl were seized at the Canadian border last year, representing just 2/10 of 1% of the total. Further, he said among he talked about millions and millions of undocumented immigrants coming from Canada. In fact, last year there were 24,000 people, not millions and millions. First question, really, we can argue about tariffs, but why does the President have to lie all of the time in order to make his point?

[Jameson Greer]

So, Senator, I would just refute that when the President is talking about the nature of the emergency we have. Could you talk a little bit closer.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To the mic, please?

[Jameson Greer]

Certainly, Senator. I would just say, you know, I think you need to look at what the President issued in terms of the order for the legal basis for what we're doing.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Right?

[Jameson Greer]

I mean, the president very rightly hit on this issue of fentanyl migration coming from northern southern borders. And it's a real emergency.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

All drugs are a real emergency. Two tenths of 1%. You can then argue drugs, illegal drugs come from every country in the world. If you declare that as an emergency, you're giving The President of the United States. Unbelievable power. The Democrats Green New scam killed jobs and sent prices soaring here in America. But meanwhile China opened two coal plants every single week and other countries likewise went very strongly back into coal. Some of them never got off. Those are the ones that didn't have the problems. The Biden energy policy was to put America last. We want to be last, we got to be last. Not a good policy under my administration. We're putting America first. It's very simple. America is always going to be first. On my first day in office I terminated the green new scam. I declared the national energy emergency and withdrew from the unfair one sided and extremely costly to the United States only Paris climate accord. This scenario, the decision maker who decided the alla prima approach who has obviously.

[Jameson Greer]

Had to have spent time anticipating what.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We saw in the markets and some of the pushback.

[Jameson Greer]

I'm assuming this all got gamed out because.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Because it's a novel approach. It need to be thought out. Whose throat do I get to choke if this proves to be wrong?

[Jameson Greer]

Well Senator, you can certainly always talk to me but are you at the.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tip of the spear?

[Jameson Greer]

Well, I'm at the tip of the spear for certainly.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Did you propose the alla prima approach?

[Jameson Greer]

So first of all I would push back Senator, just a little bit on this. We've for now we've excluded pharmaceuticals and semiconductors. Take a different kind of approach. Let's make it and we've excluded us.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So it just seems like again I'm getting my head around the alla prima approach. I'm not condemning it because I'm not.

[Jameson Greer]

A trade exper but I still at.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Some point and I understand that you are the trade rep. So if you own this decision that I'll look to you to figure out if we're going to be successful. If you don't on the decision. I'm just trying to figure out whose throat I get to choke if it's wrong and who I put up on a platform and thank them for the novel approach that was successful. If they're right, this is the primal screen of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Natalie Winters]

And where do people like that go.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To share the big lie MAGA media I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's Tuesday the 8th of April, year of our Lord 2025. A wild day on markets throughout the world. Market finished up a little bit down today. At the end. Gold had a slight down movement. 10 year treasury slight uptick. Kind of a mixed day on, on Wall street, but not the catastrophe that the left is trying to push us into. Of course, President Trump going full energy, full spectrum energy dominance there with clean coal. Also a lot of stuff coming out of the Supreme Court. So on the battlefronts of Trump's second term, we're engaged on everything. Mike Davis is at the White House right now. I believe he may even be talking to the president or to the staff and he's going to come and join us in a little while. I want to go to Natalie Winters. Natalie, first off, you followed this for a long time, particularly the Chinese Communist Party taking it on the chops at midnight tonight, ma'am. 104% tariff kicks in Xi and the Chinese are not too, are not too happy about that. Your thoughts?

[Natalie Winters]

Well, a wonderful America first day here at the White House. I think we're going to have some of the coal workers who are just on stage with President Trump joining us shortly. But you're so right to frame it this way. This is an absolutely horrific day for the Chinese Communist Party. And I don't know about you, Steve, but I don't even think that we have to cite chapter and verse war room or any of the reporting that I've done for years. I think we should cite, what is it probably all the neocons up on Capitol Hill who love to use the China threat.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Right.

[Natalie Winters]

To justify the ever expanding and ballooning trillion dollar defense budget. Or maybe the Democrats who say that the reason that we have to continue hemorrhaging, what is it, hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine is so we can, you know, defend against the Chinese Communist Party by extension. Well, those people I think have made the case as to why we need to have these tariffs, why we need to reorient the entire global manufacturing. And, and I think that the White House has effectively been pushing back this idea that, oh, well, why are we putting tariffs on, you know, islands with penguins? Well, are these people really that dumb or just not students of history to understand the entirety of the Belt and Road initiative initiative, the 140 plus countries that the Chinese Communist Party has either signed memorandums of understanding with or straight up deals with to essentially own their infrastructure, own their manufacturing sectors, which, you know, is exactly how they skirted sort of the phase one deal. It's why it was sort of watered down, right? They just outsourced their manufacturing to Vietnam and to Mexico. That's why these tariffs are so essential. And by the way, Steve, and I'm sure the audience knows all too well, it's the same people who are apoplectic over what is it we can spend trillions of tax dollars in usaid, global government, globalist institutions. But I guess a few days of now, what we're seeing, not really all that bad stock market losses. This is the first day where a sitting president put America's working class first over the heavily invested Wall street elite. And it's a glorious day to be standing here at the White House and to be able to say that and bring that to you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's a glorious day. Natalie, hang on. We'll take a short commercial break. I'm going to ask you, and once you answer, on the other side, the Democrats say, particularly people say they're populous like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, the faux populace, they were absolutely trying to tear Jameson Greer apart. Jameson Greer gave as good as he got in his own gentlemanly way. So today the trade rep up there in front of the Senate Finance Committee and they tore into him. The people in the Democratic Party said they're the biggest populist short commercial break Natalie Winters is live at the White House. Hopefully get some coal workers and she's got some color revolution resistance. Rachel Maddow's going crazy half for sure. Every night is full screen with these everything that's going around the country, the whole revolt. Short commercial break Back in the warm in just a moment. I think you changed already. You went and lost your pride. But I'm American made.

[Natalie Winters]

I got American parlor.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Natalie Winters]

Thank you, Steve. I'm honored to be joined by Zach Ertel. Jack, did I get that right? There you go. Who is coming at us from Pennsylvania? It's your first time at the White House. Before we get into the wonderful executive orders that President Trump signed today, why are you here? Why did you want to come to today's event?

[Zach Ertel]

Well, we wanted to come to support what President Trump's going to do for us. I mean, you know, you go through your career here as a coal miner in a country where 99% of the people actually don't know where their electric electricity comes from and what people have to do to provide natural resources to the American people.

[Natalie Winters]

And I don't know how long you have worked being a coal miner, but from your perspective, I see your wonderful MAGA hard hat is. Is President Trump the only first, from your perspective, president who has actually treated you guys with the dignity and respect that your industry deserves?

[Zach Ertel]

Yeah, absolutely. So I started my career under the Obama administration and it's just been a struggle from the day one when I got into the industry with policy from the federal government. And it always left you with an unsettling feeling until President Trump's first term and now with his second. We're very excited that he's in office and we have his support.

[Natalie Winters]

And in terms of the threats or accusations that they've hurled against your industry. Yes, Steve, go ahead.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah. Can you ask him why clean coal is an answer? I mean, President Trump's gone on a limb here and said clean coal is one of the answers for the energy needs of the United States. Can you ask Zach, why clean coal? What's been different? And why clean coal is an answer now in the 21st century.

[Natalie Winters]

Why is clean coal now the answer for the 21st century?

[Zach Ertel]

So it's been clean for a while. But what this does for America is it brings competition back into the energy sector. So that means lower prices for Americans on their electric bill month to month. So when I first started in the industry, we were producing about 48% of the nation's electricity, and now that's down to 16%. So if it keeps dwindling down, we're going to be relying on very few energy sources, which means then the energy companies can name their price month to month on what you pay for electricity. So the big thing is capitalism, as Trump always loves to go to, and bring competition into the energy sector.

[Natalie Winters]

And when you see Democrats or climate change activists really lobbying hard against you guys, what do you think is motivating that? In other words, you know, American energy independence is a direct threat to the Chinese Communist Party. There's a lot of much more powerful forces. Right. Than just Democratic Party politics. What do you think is really pushing people to oppose, really, your livelihood and how you support your family?

[Zach Ertel]

I think ignorance to how people's energy gets to their house. They truly don't understand where power comes from and what people have to do, coal miners in general have to do to produce the product we do to get it to power plants and to produce electricity. And it's, I think it's just sheer ignorance on how the world operates.

[Natalie Winters]

And you hear a lot of discussion now coming predominantly from the left side of the aisle, saying how that they're, you know, hardcore populists, right. They want to support the working class, the working Americans, with what you do. That's something that is essentially an existential threat, or I guess the policies that they would propose to your ability to make an income, your ability to mine clean coal. What would you say to left wing populists who seem to be flying first class to their rallies, but will they want to shut down your industry?

[Zach Ertel]

Yeah. So the hypocrisy that comes from the left is it's, it's unmatched because they don't understand if you really wanted to take a stand, turn your power off to your house, turn your laptop off, turn your phone off, get rid of everything that takes fossil fuels to operate or that has fossil fuels as a byproduct in it. Until then, you know, sure, we need to find alternative ways of energy, and I'm all for that, but we're not there yet as a country. So until we do get there, we need to utilize all the natural resources we have to keep low cost energy prices to the American people.

[Natalie Winters]

And Steve, you let me know when we've got a bounce. I don't have a clock, but just walk us through how revolutionary. What President Trump did today was not just for the American economy, but especially for your livelihood, for your ability to mine clean coal.

[Zach Ertel]

It's opportunity. What he's done today is now not just gave all the employees at my company and every other coal company in America, he's keeping the legacy of coal going for other generations to come. So when my kids, if they ever want to get into the industry, they might have a place to go to be able to provide for their families. So he's keeping a long legacy of hard working Americans in a set industry. He's keeping us going.

[Natalie Winters]

And we often hear that a lot of jobs like yours, oh, those are jobs that Americans don't want to do. Right. That's why we need to import essentially the third world or massive amounts of immigrants, legal and illegal. What would your message be? I think you hear it predominantly from sort of elitists in both parties, but that your job is people who are actually working with their hands, doing real hardcore manual labor. That we don't need to import an entire new class of people into this country to do that. That you and your family, your children, you would love nothing more, I'm sure than for them to be involved with what you're doing.

[Zach Ertel]

So if you ever want to know about a coal miner, just go talk to them. They love what they do. They love to talk and brag about the work that they do. And you know, the work we are doing today. And again goes back to the ignorance of people who don't actually know what coal mining is about is one of the most highly technological industries out there right now. The technology with computers, equipment, massive equipment underground and what people have to go through underground to haul and assemble that equipment for the extraction of coal. It's unmatched and it's unfortunate that more Americans can't see what we do. But all you'd have to do is go talk to a coal miner and he'll tell you how much he loves to do it.

[Natalie Winters]

And I just have to ask, do you wear this hat when you are working?

[Zach Ertel]

Actually, no. So I made this special occasion for the event and I was lucky enough that the president was would sign it for me.

[Natalie Winters]

We gotta you show the camera the signature.

[Zach Ertel]

Yes, I can.

[Natalie Winters]

Take that. Climate change activists one more time. Zach Erljack here from Pennsylvania. You see a bunch of other people that you were here with. But only you were brave enough to come on the War Room if people. Maybe you don't want to share your social media, but we always ask all of our guests where people want to follow them. Stay up to date. You should come on the War Room more often. But how can people follow you? Stay in touch if you want to do so.

[Zach Ertel]

Well, first, if, if you ever want to invite me back, I'd be more than happy to come to the War Room, but I'm not a big social media guy. I do have accounts, but I don't post anything. I just, I like to keep up.

[Natalie Winters]

You're Twitter it on is what I'm hearing.

[Zach Ertel]

I like to get my news from different sources and social media is one of them. But yeah, so I'm not very heavily involved in social power.

[Natalie Winters]

Two, you're too busy letting us be able to turn our lights on. Thank you so much for coming on War Room and for everything you do for this country.

[Zach Ertel]

Thank you for having me.

[Natalie Winters]

Thank you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, thank you.

[Natalie Winters]

Back to you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Fantastic interview. Fantastic. Natalie, I want to go while we still got you. We're going to play in the next segment. We're going to play in the next segment this situation with USAID and the color revolution. But I got to ask you right there, you heard from a working man in this country how the Democrats have kind of abandoned them. Give me your feedback. Folkahanas and Bernie Sanders went after Jameson Greer, the U.S. trade Rep today. He was the deputy for lighthizer in the first term. I mean, this guy knows President Trump's program backwards and forwards. And he's such a gentleman that, you know, he didn't raise his voice, he just kind of took it. But what do you think about Democrats who are supposed to be the most populist? It's supposed to be, you know, they try to be economic nationalists. They didn't really talk about bringing jobs back. They just attacked, attacked, attacked President Trump's trade war and his tariff plan, ma'am.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, Steve, I buried the lead on today's show because CNN has been following me around all day. So just imagine CNN having to witness that exchange. I also interviewed with them earlier today. But all that aside, I think today really shows you the mask has dropped on the so called populist left. Right. We know that it fell whenever they talk about immigration, legal and illegal, but the only thing that they seem to care about right now is the stock market. Now, I know we've said these statistics, but they're worth hammering over and over again. The own 93% of all stocks. And I know that might make me sound like some crazy left wing person, but what it means is that the American working class has never actually had a president who was willing to put them first. And I think, Steve, if you look back, especially the last four years, can you tell me, give me one single damn day in the presidency of Joe Biden where he did anything that was actually geared towards ensuring the economic livelihood and future the bottom 50% of America's working class instead of the top 1% or 10%. You can't. And I think you're seeing that legacy be continued on by people who like to talk tough about tariffs and pretend and defending the working class. But you know what, Steve? For all of the speeches and tweets that people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have put out in defense of America's working class, I'll even quote Nancy Pelosi and a bunch of Democratic leaders on the efficacy of tariffs. None of them ever had the guts to, to do it. Because you know why? They're all part of a uni party elite class who they think that they can distract you by just saying the T word and saying, oh, we got to take on China, so much so that we have to have a trillion dollar defense budget turn deficit. But they never actually do anything when the time comes, let alone holding the line. And President Trump actually did that. So take your populist talking points, Bernie Sanders, and shove it. Just like you did when the coke money started hitting and you didn't care about open borders anymore.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Natalie, hang on for one second. We're gonna take a short commercial break. I want a notification to you that a federal court has ruled that the Associated Press, that the ban on the Associated Press regarding the Gulf of America, what I talked to Eric about in the last segment is unconstitutional. I'm sure we'll be fighting that over the days and weeks ahead. The color revolution, the resistance, the other aspect line of attack on President Trump and his policies geared up big time. Natalie's going to stick around for another segment. Take a short commercial break. Modern day holy war takes you out. We're going to be back in just a moment. Open your eyes no time to be blind Open your mind to see we're in a modern day holy war Coming after the mind. I've been telling you about a very serious threat to your home equity, home title fraud. One document, a fake notary stamp and about 40 bucks and your title is out of your name and into someone else's. And the scammer who took it will take out loans or even worse sell your home behind your back. You have to protect yourself. The best way is Home title lock's million dollar triple lock protection. Now this service gives you 24. 7 Monitoring urgent alerts of any changes. And if fraud happens, their US based restoration team will spend up to $1 million to fix the fraud and restore your title. Go to hometitlelock.com use my promo code Steve25 to save 25% and get a free title history report to make sure you're not already a victim. And make sure you check out the million dollar triple lock protection details when you get there. That's hometitlelock.com promo code steve25 hometitlelock.com Promo code steve25 do it today. And let me remind you this service is 247 monitoring urgent alerts of any changes. And if fraud does happen, their U. S based restoration team will spend up to $1 million to fix the fraud and restore your title. Do it today.

[Jameson Greer]

Some people, the critique comes from people suggesting that the resistance wasn't able to consolidate power and move the country into a more pro democratic frame of mind over the long term. This is not unique to the United States actually over the last many number of years this is something that was almost like universal and a lot of the so called color revolutions or people power movements of the last 15 years where you see in Egypt in 2011 there's a strong, what you would call negative coalition trying to get Morsi out after in Tunisia they're getting Ben Ali out and that's a strong negative coalition of like throw the guy out. And you could argue that that was what was going on in the fall of 2020. Just throw the guy out, right? And protect the results. And then what happens is that if it doesn't actually transfer into something that's more of a positive coalition which is, and here is an amazing and totally attractive and irresistible vision for the future of the country that is going to bring people along that it just makes the short term victory extremely fragile and vulnerable to what effectively is a counter revolution or a return to the ASEAN regime. So this happened in Egypt in 2013, it happened in Tunisia in 2022. Sudan had a big breakthrough moment in 2019. Same thing happens in 2021 and those are in countries that were really consolidated autocracies that had their democratic breakthrough moment but then had a major backsliding episode or a coup. So you know, those are more extreme examples. But what happened in the United States was a coup attempt that was thwarted by a pro Democratic coalition. And the sort of project of bidenomics, I think, was trying to express that positive coalition. And it didn't sell or it didn't work somehow.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, Natalie, help me out here. And maybe we do this later in the week also from your studio, but I'm confused. They're saying that our attempt to stop the steal in 2020 was a coup attempt. And this falls into their whole color revolution doctrine now, ma'am.

[Natalie Winters]

So just to sort of set the stage on what you just watched, that is a. I was going to say chick, but goes by they, them pronouns. Erica Chenoweth, who was hosting, co hosting an event with Steven Levitsky, who's someone that we've talked about sort of coining the idea of this Democratic backsliding or autocratic breakthrough. But this is part of that Resistance Lab training. This was an official event hosted by the Harvard Ash Center's center for Nonviolent Protests, which is the official partner of Representative Pramila Jayapal's Resistance Lab group. And in that whole sort of, I think, diatribe where they're going off on color revolutions, this is coming on the heels of the reporting that we were breaking on this show, which is that this again, Democratic member of Congress partnered organization, an entity that is working on training protesters, training anti Trump, anti Tesla protesters, that they're funded by usaid, they're funded by the State Department, despite their best efforts to delete their web pages proving that. Exactly. But they're using words. I mean, that was essentially a Rachel Maddow opening. Right. The way they're talking about color revolutions, autocratic breakthrough, Democratic backsliding, all of this. I mean, that's really quite a bombshell clip, I think, very vindicating and validating to the paradigm through which we viewed a lot of these protests.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

No. And this is one of the things they're trying to gin up as being. They got the courts with the judges. They now have Leonard, Leo and Koch jumping in the courts on trade. And the courts have worked in, in, in France and Brazil, in South Korea. They're trying to get it here to President Trump. It obviously worked on the, on the stock, on the, on us trying to stop the steal. They've also got political now Tom Tillerson, guys up there. You got seven Republicans teaming up with the Democrats to start trying to get some political momentum. But this is still, I think, one of the most important. Chenoweth is getting to be a bigger and bigger player. Are you telling me she's actually paid by Harvard or through USA money going to Harvard. And I hope that somebody gets to President Trump's team and tell him on the shutdown of Harvard, the money going to Harvard, that this lab ought to be shut down. Ma'am.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, I raise you this. Erica Chenoweth is the director of that Harvard Ashe Center's center for Nonviolent Protests, which not only is that stochastic terrorism, I think that's projection if I've ever heard it. But this individual is not just receiving funds, you know, by proxy or through a bunch of weird webs of financing. This center is explicitly funded on their website by USAID and the State Department. But Chenoweth herself has received countless grants from USAID and also the United States Institute of Peace. She's lectured, believe it or not, at USAID in 2015, 2016 and 2022 via Zoom on, like LGBTQ protest training. And she was actually a consultant at the United States Institute of peace from 2017 to 2019. But I think the important thing, too, to really stress to the audience is that this is not just run of the mill political organizing, community organizing, or anything in the realm of actual democratic protest or grassroots organizing. This is someone whose entire career has been dedicated to studying the interplay between violent protests, nonviolent protest, and actual acts of terrorism, writing articles and papers about how to topple dictators. So the fact that they're weaponizing this individual right against President Trump shows you not just the stakes through which they're operating with, but the paradigm and matrix through which they are engaging and trying to oppose President Trump.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Last thing, too, I've noticed on Rachel Maddow. In fact, I think even Media Matters picked it up today. She's going to the full. She gets so worked up on her show, on every little protest around the country. She now has a full screen with like 20 to 50. Is she getting crazier and crazier every day and trying what they're trying to gin up? They're trying to gin up hysteria among the defeated Democratic base, are they not? I mean, and she's gone. She's kind of gone over the top on this now.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, is that a rhetorical question? Yes, of course. I think she debuted was for the first time ever on her show last week. And we do have the clip, what she called the 20 box. You know, we usually do a 2 box, but this was a 20 protest split screen. And she even, she even went out of her way. It wasn't like they just did it. She said, she said this is the first time ever in our show's history that we're doing a 20 box. So the point is they're making a point to jam at home, to hammer their audience to show up to these protests. Steve, I went to the protest, the big protest on Saturday. There were sort of two concurrent ones. There was more the like Gaza, Hamas though a lot of transgender people there try to square that. There's that one. And then closer to the mall there was the, you know, Trump is a dictator, we really hate Doge cohort of people all with the, you know, signs that are printed so well and so large. I don't even know where they find that size of paper to get it professionally printed. But I guess if you follow our reporting on indivisible and how they're reimbursing them for all of that, I guess it starts to make sense. But yeah, you're exactly right. But Steve, it's not like this is just some random strategy. It all goes back to the fact that they lost the House, they lost the Senate, they lost, lost the presidency. So they can't impeach President Trump. So they're now adjusting the pie to increase street protesters because it's their only source of leverage. And the judges in the media, but their shock troops I guess need some target to be weaponized against.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Natalie, where do people go to get you're putting up great, great stuff on social media all the time. Where do people go?

[Natalie Winters]

Natalie G. Winters on all platforms. Thank you as always for having me.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And get ready for the AP reporter to be back into the press briefings now that the at least the lower court has ruled it was unconstitutional about Gulf of America. So thank you, thank you, thank you, my lovely colleagues.

[Natalie Winters]

Love them. Thank you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you. Natalie Winters, So today, Real America's Voice, great coverage from the East Room on coal. And Natalie, thank you for getting the coal miner there. I realized a lot of them may be, hey, don't know about this about tv, who can trust. But it's a fantastic interview right there right from the heart. And I think with President Trump, just to go back what I was saying, Eric Bolling, President Trump's theory of the case is pretty simple. He wants full spectrum energy dominance like the alternatives. You know, he's not a huge name in wind, but solar, hydroelectric, all others, even wind to a degree. He's prepared to give anything a shot but he's going to take the shackles off the American energy industry because he understands in driving down the cost of energy that's the foundation for an industrial power. When you talk about this Russian rapprochement that President Witkoff and President Trump are working on and one aspect that I think you're seeing pop up already is President Trump or Wyckoff is going to have high level discussions with the Persians on Saturday to kind of put to bed and let's get a diplomatic solution or some sort of work through about this nuclear program of theirs and particularly the nuclear weapon aspect of that. You know, Wyckoff and President Trump, when they talk about Russia, I think the foundational element of that will be a huge massive energy deal. You know, Russia's energy was being used by the West. It still was, even in the war when they gave us all the happy talk. They're not going to do it. They're not going to do it. I mean, Germany would fall into a, into a non industrial power. They're almost doing that anyway, as Dave Walsh has laid out so many times. 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But at the same time, the courts, they are all over the courts. They see a way because they've looked at France, they've looked at Brazil, they're looking at, they're looking at South Korea with the coup there. These folks understand this kind of radical judiciary that I think if you look at them all kind of think alike. They're a little bit neo Marxist and they've got an attitude of judicial supremacy. They think that, they think that, they think they're going to be able to shut it down with that. Also you have this now political movement. Thom Tillison, some Republicans are up there, are up there, you know, messing around with President Trump and sign up with the Democrats. Okay, we have a short clip right here before we go out. And we're going to come back at 6:00 at the top of the hour, the second hour of the show with Mike Davis live from the White House. A bunch of clips we want to say and get Mike Davis opinion of these. We have. 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