Episode 4408: DOJ Sued Over Epstein Files; Iran Nuclear Talks

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room Episode 4408: DOJ Sued Over Epstein Files; Iran Nuclear Talks
Release Date: April 12, 2025
Host: WarRoom.org (Stephen K. Bannon)

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1. Shifting Political Landscapes and Poll Data

Harry Enten opens the discussion by highlighting a surprising shift in poll data regarding which political party cares more about the needs of the average American. Historically, Democrats have maintained a significant lead in this area.

"Back in 2017, before the 2018 midterms, 13 lead, 2005, a 23 point lead for Democrats... And now all of a sudden a tie."
— Harry Enten [00:07]

Steve Bannon expresses surprise at this shift, emphasizing that Democrats have traditionally been seen as the party of the people. Kate and Harry delve deeper into the demographics, noting that Republican gains are primarily among non-college-educated, working-class voters, while Democrats continue to lead among college-educated individuals.

"Among non college voters... now Republicans overwhelmingly gain plus nine points."
— Harry Enten [01:05]

Harry warns against complacency ahead of the midterm elections, suggesting that Republicans still have a viable chance despite historical trends favoring the party out of power.

"Republicans still have a real shot at this, despite all of Trump's theatrics over the last month with this tariff war."
— Harry Enten [02:08]

2. Legal Battles: DOJ Sued Over Epstein Files

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch discussing the lawsuit against President Trump's Justice Department regarding the Epstein records.

"We sued under the FOIA for the Epstein records... We're still waiting."
— Tom Fitton [06:09]

Steve Bannon critiques the Justice Department, arguing that the "deep state" continues to obstruct transparency despite efforts during Trump's administration to reform it.

"The Justice Department in the first term worked against President Trump and that's why you were suing him every day."
— Steve Bannon [07:48]

Tom Fitton responds by emphasizing the need for external pressure to hold the DOJ accountable and advocates for a special prosecutor reporting directly to the President.

"The president has this prerogative exercised by other presidents to hire and fire prosecutors and he should use it."
— Tom Fitton [13:19]

The conversation underscores the ongoing tensions between Judicial Watch and the DOJ, highlighting concerns over transparency and accountability.

3. Insights from Judicial Watch and Republican Leadership

Jeff Davis, a MAGA leader from South Carolina, joins the discussion to shed light on state-level challenges. He points out that despite strong support from the base, the Republican establishment in South Carolina struggles with policy implementation and resistance from political consultants and special interests.

"The problem is just like you guys were talking about on the national level... trying to work from the bottom up and push things up."
— Jeff Davis [38:29]

Steve Bannon urges immediate action to dismantle the FBI and DOJ's influence, labeling them as systemic threats to the constitutional republic.

"It's a systemic problem. It has to be taken apart brick by brick."
— Steve Bannon [22:41]

Jeff Davis agrees, highlighting the need for grassroots efforts to infiltrate the political establishment with the Trump agenda.

"The Trump agenda has not filtered into the government and to the political establishment here."
— Jeff Davis [40:15]

4. Iran Nuclear Talks and Geopolitical Tensions

The episode transitions to international affairs, focusing on ongoing Iran nuclear negotiations spearheaded by Rick Grenell, President Trump's senior envoy.

"President Trump sent a letter directly in March to the supreme leader of Iran... you face direct and very severe Repercussions."
— Rick Grenell [47:30]

Bannon discusses the strategic importance of these talks, stressing the need to avoid military conflict and emphasizing economic sanctions to pressure Iran.

"The Chinese Communist Party is our enemy... we're trying negotiations for rapprochement with the Russians."
— Steve Bannon [49:37]

Grenell explains the effectiveness of recent sanctions targeting Iran's shadow fleet, aiming to cripple its oil export capabilities and force the regime back to the negotiating table.

"Ayatollah Khomeini's senior advisors are telling me... we cannot afford a conflict that might lead to the collapse of the Iranian regime."
— Rick Grenell [51:48]

5. Upcoming Events and Community Engagement

The episode concludes with promotions for upcoming events and community initiatives. Jeff Davis announces a major MAGA convention in Greenville, South Carolina, inviting listeners to attend and participate in advancing the Trump agenda at the state level.

"This is going to be the biggest Maga America first event in the state of South Carolina."
— Jeff Davis [43:07]

Steve Bannon reiterates the urgency of dismantling the DOJ and FBI, calling for immediate action and participation from listeners.

"The special counsel has got to be named directly report to President Trump or burning daylight."
— Steve Bannon [28:26]

6. Advertisements and Promotions

Throughout the episode, several advertisers promote products and services aligned with the podcast's audience, including emergency food kits, financial services, and health supplements. These segments are interspersed between content discussions but are skipped in this summary per the user’s instructions.

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Key Takeaways

• Political Shifts: Traditional Democratic advantage in caring for the public needs has equalized, with Republicans gaining significant support among non-college-educated voters.

• Legal Challenges: Judicial Watch, led by Tom Fitton, is actively suing the DOJ over transparency issues related to Epstein files, highlighting ongoing conflicts between conservative watchdogs and the federal justice system.

• State-Level Dynamics: Republican leaders like Jeff Davis emphasize the need for grassroots movements to infiltrate and reform state political establishments to align with the Trump agenda.

• Geopolitical Strategy: Under President Trump's leadership, the U.S. is engaging directly with Iran to negotiate nuclear talks, employing economic sanctions to exert pressure and avoid military conflict.

• Call to Action: The podcast encourages listeners to participate in upcoming MAGA events and take active roles in supporting legal and political efforts to reshape governmental institutions.

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Notable Quotes:

• "Republicans still have a real shot at this, despite all of Trump's theatrics over the last month with this tariff war."
  — Harry Enten [02:08]

• "The president has this prerogative exercised by other presidents to hire and fire prosecutors and he should use it."
  — Tom Fitton [13:19]

• "It's a systemic problem. It has to be taken apart brick by brick."
  — Steve Bannon [22:41]

• "President Trump sent a letter directly in March to the supreme leader of Iran... or you face direct and very severe Repercussions."
  — Rick Grenell [47:30]

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This episode of Bannon’s War Room delves deep into current political dynamics, legal battles, and international negotiations, providing listeners with comprehensive insights into the challenges and strategies shaping the conservative movement and America's geopolitical stance.

Transcript

[Harry Enten]

This to me is one of the most shocking pieces of poll data that I truly truthfully have seen this year or maybe in any prior year.

[Steve Bannon]

Really?

[Harry Enten]

Yes, really. Because I want you to take a look cares more about the needs for people like you. You mentioned decay, Paul. We got a tie even after this tariff war had already started, split between Democrats and Republicans on how people feel. Which party cares more for needs of people like you. And why is that so surprising? Because I want you to take a look at prior years. Democrats always lead on this question. Back in 2017, before the 2018 midterms, 13 lead, 2005, a 23 point lead for Democrats. 1994, which was a big Republican year, a 19 point lead for Democrats. And now all of a sudden a tie. All of a sudden the Democrats who are the party of the people. No more. No more, we get a tie on this question. On a question that has traditionally overwhelmingly been a Democratic advantage. Which party cares more for the needs of people like you? It's truly something I would not have expected to see especially after this tariff war had begun.

[Kate]

Where does it show that Republic Republicans are making the most gains?

[Harry Enten]

Yeah, again you talk about party of the people. Look at this. Cares for the needs of people like yourself. Look here we got non college, we got those with a college degree. Among those with a college degree, it's the same score, eight plus 18 points for Democrats in 2017, plus 18 points for Democrats now. But look among non college voters, look here it was plus seven for Democrats in 2017. And now Republicans and overwhelmingly gain plus nine points. That is the gains have been concentrated at least within the last decade among voters without a college degree, the working class. That is where Republicans have gained even since the beginning of the Donald Trump administration. The Democratic base is now those with a college degree. Among the working class, those without a college degree. Republicans have overwhelmingly gained on this all important question of which party cares more for people like yourself.

[Kate]

Your reference points are as you were pointing out just before a midterm election. So obviously let's kind of look at that. Where do things stand for the. For Congress, Right.

[Harry Enten]

Okay. So you have this question, right? And then there's the question ultimately are Republicans going to get punished in this midterm election? In part because that's normally what happens. The party in power gets punished, but also because of this tariff war. And I want you to take a look here at the generic congressional ballot where we were in April of 2017. Democrats were already ahead by 7 points in November of 2024 on this question. It was a tie. And then, of course, Republicans won control. Where are we now? It's Democrats, but just by a point. This looks very, very much still like what we saw in 2024, not like what we saw in 2017. If Democrats think they automatically have a ticket back to control of the House, I'd say hold on a second. Republicans still have a real shot at this, despite all of Trump's theatrics over the last month with this tariff war.

[Kate]

There really is interesting information coming out in this that you're pulling out. Thank you, Harry.

[Harry Enten]

Thank you. I think it's interesting. Kate agrees for once.

[Unknown]

For once, you know, there we are watching autocracy. We are watching an autocrat try to take over the government. And there's a reason that they're targeting grad students, people who've written op eds, judges, people who have political views. They don't like judges. I mean, this is a war on speech. And it is, I think, the closest to McCarthyism, right? Because I think so much about my grandfather who was jailed during McCarthy and blacklisted. And it really is, it's a war on the elites and the academics and the journalists. And it really is this sort of, you know, and they are hoping by deporting the grad students, what they're doing is trying, you know, they're trying to get to the people who are like that. JP Morgan ANALYST.

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.

[Steve Bannon]

I got a free shot on all.

[Unknown]

These networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

[Steve Bannon]

I know you don't like, like hearing that.

[Unknown]

I know you try to do everything.

[Steve Bannon]

In the world to stop that, but.

[Unknown]

You'Re not going to stop it.

[Steve Bannon]

It's going to happen.

[Harry Enten]

And where do people like that go.

[Steve Bannon]

To share the big lie?

[Harry Enten]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Jeff Davis]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Unknown]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Tom Fitton]

War Room here's your host, Stephen k. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Saturday 12th April, year of our Lord 2025. We were going to spend this morning breaking down what went on last night in LA on the Bill Maher show. Bill Maher's explanation of walking through with President Trump, the dinner he had at the White House and then my interview, and then afterwards, some of the comments I made in the, in the after show. But we don't have time. We have too Much news today. We are packed wall from wall to wall from about China and Iran, polling, economics, the bond market, and maybe some bad news about big tech for the populist movement. We're getting to all that. But I got to start with important breaking news from one of the most important people in our movement, Tom Fenton. Tom Fenton. For years, I would like to say, we fought side by side. And I made a great film about Tom Fenton and his efforts back during the Obama years. But, Tom, nobody really fought your side because you were ahead of all of us running the People's Justice Department. I'm kind of shocked when I get back at literally 5am to do the show from LA, having driven all night, and I find that Tom Fenton is suing President Trump's Justice Department and his Attorney General. Why would Tom Fenton do that? This is what you did for eight years against Eric Holder. Why are you doing this? What has caused you to do this now, sir?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, we sued under the FOIA for the Epstein records. They were supposed to be released. There was a great controversy in the process of the release, initially by Pam Bondi's team. And we're like, what's going on here? Where are the records? What records generally are out there? What are being withheld? Where are you looking? What happened with this initial release? Was there obstruction? Who did it? And that's what we do. You know, I dare to say we sued the Trump administration pretty much more than anyone else, first time around. And we'll sue the Trump administration a lot this time around, really, to get to the truth about the corruption that must be overcome by President Trump himself and his camera.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, but hang on, you sued because I was there. You sued the Trump administration the first time because, let's be honest, we didn't have this unitary theory, the executive stepping into his Article 2 powers, that he is the chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer. This whole Watergate, all this Watergate nonsense is broken. You sued it because the deep state ran the Justice Department and Jeff Sessions, as good a man as he was, was just not up to the task to take it on. And the people that Jeff put in there and others put in there were worse than some of the Obama guys. I mean, the Justice Department in the first term worked against President Trump and that's why you were suing him every day. I thought we solved that problem. I thought the four years that we took to do, you know, Stephen Miller's America First Law, you know, Russ Voats, center for Renewing America. You got Paoletta and Jeff Clark over there, you know, brooke Rollins's America First Policy Institute, the Project 2025. I thought the top, and the top priority for President Trump, and excuse me if I'm wrong, Tom Fenton was we got to clean out, we got to clean out the rat's nest that is the Justice Department, because that infects. That's the kind of the linchp with the CIA of how the deep state works. So what's happened here, brother?

[Tom Fitton]

You know, at best, you've got a group of individuals at the top level and they fired some people, but not nearly enough. And there's going to have to be pressure from the outside to get them to focus on why they were put in power to begin with by President Trump. And then obviously the election initially of President Trump. And there are a lot of things going on in the Justice Department and maybe I'm being too charitable, Steve, but this lawsuit will help them focus on what needs to be done. And there are many other, you know, we have 190 lawsuits on FOIA, more or less. I think it's. Yeah, it's almost 190. And we got to get answers. If we can't wait, you know, there's a significant public interest in the Epstein matter. To me, it's kind of an indicia of whether the Justice Department is serious about this. And frankly, we want, obviously the client list. I want to know the circumstances of his death, too. But we didn't just say give us the client list. We said give us records about Epstein and we also want records about to get in the way of the release of the Epstein records. Just two months ago.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes. When they put out the other thing that people had seen before on the antitrust side. I mean, Monday, I think it's the ftc. So President Trump's antitrust efforts with Gail Slater and the people of justice are going gangbusters. The ftc, fcc. So the deconstruction administrative state and the taking on of this concentrated corporate power is unparalleled to how they're going after it. But your other things besides these, the investigations on the voter fraud, just everything, you know, you have, you have Tulsi Gabbard mention something. Dni. The question is on the core investigations and what has to happen. Walk me through your punch list of what we have to do, because I don't think people feel anything's happening there.

[Tom Fitton]

We need to investigate, prosecute and defang the FBI and the Justice Department. Can they do that internally, as I discussed previously with you? I'm doubtful, frankly, after Four, to me, what the FBI and Justice Department did was they almost destroyed our constitutional republic not 10 years ago, not five years ago, but four months ago. Five months ago. It was going on up until, and frankly through the election. And there's gotta be accountability and we need to protect ourselves from ever happening that again. That ever happening again. And I kind of go back to, obviously they're not the Japanese during the war, but what happened after the war in Japan was the Japanese system. They were completely knocked out and unable to even if they wanted to do what they did in World War II. Again, that's got to be the approach of the FBI and Justice Department. They need to be husks of them for of their former selves in terms of having the ability to jail a former president on a pretext and put his life in danger. And that needs to be the approach. That needs to be the emergency. It's an emergency. And what bugs me, Steve, is I've had, you know, the FBI engage in an information operation against me and others who had, relatively speaking, at least from my perspective, a mild complaint about a guy who probably shouldn't be in a senior position in the FBI being put in that position because of his background pushing this J6 fake narrative. And they spent more time trying to undermine the point I was making there. And I heard pushback from all sorts of ways, indirectly from the FBI than I perceive that they've done to investigate the issues I'm talking about. I wish they would spend as much energy at least providing public leadership on these issues. Maybe you do things privately. I don't know. That's to me just smoke and mirrors. But how about the public leadership on it? When's the last time we've heard anyone at the leadership of FBI or DOJ say anything about welfare?

[Steve Bannon]

Tom, you've called last week in the show for a special prosecutor to be for the President to set it up in the White House and report directly to the office of the President in the President United States. Do you still stand by that? Are you still calling for that?

[Tom Fitton]

Yes. And that prosecutor can be staffed by other federal law enforcement outside the FBI. He can use some expertise within the Justice Department, but it should be a all hands on deck approach from federal law enforcement and not the FBI and not the Justice Department because they have to be the subject of these investigations. And, you know, there's this Washington way of saying, of course, you know, we'll just have a special counsel. No, no, no, no. The president has this prerogative exercised by other presidents to hire and fire prosecutors and he should use it. That's what the the Constitution in my view, he has a positive obligation to get this done. And you know, and you might like Pam Bondi and she may be doing good work and Kash Patel, he may be doing good work on a whole host of issues, but structurally he needs to put in place something better than the FBI and the Justice Department to address the threat to the Republic.

[Steve Bannon]

Tomorrow. For one second, I'm just going to hold you.

[Tom Fitton]

I know you got to prove this directly.

[Steve Bannon]

I give you my answer. Let's take a short commercial break. I want to hold you because this is important enough and cash is our guy in Pam Bondi. Tremendous. But there's something time. We are burning daylight. We're burning daylight. Tom Fenton, the amazing Tom Fenton. Short commercial break. We're in turn of the worm. Just a moment. How well do you sleep at night? Real peace of mind comes from knowing your family is prepared for anything. My Patriot Supply, America's most trusted name in emergency preparedness, is offering a time limited discount on their best selling three month emergency food kit. Now this is the basic the three month emergency food kit. This isn't your typical survival food. Each kit provides over 2000 calories and 100% of the recommended value of 12 essential vitamins and minerals daily for 90 days with delicious meals and extras including chicken, beef, fruits and veggies. We're talking quality meals that last up to 25 years in storage and still taste like home cooked. The pandemic taught us how quickly store shelves can empty. Don't wait for the next crisis. Your three month emergency food kit includes free shipping, a disaster replacement warranty and 24. 7 US based customer support. This special discount is available for a limited time only. Visit mypatriotsupply.com now to secure your family's future with a $100 discount. If you order by 3pm they'll ship your order within the same day. So you have peace of mind right away. Get my Patriotsupply.com by going to my Patriotsupply.com. do it. Do it today. Use your agency. Action. Action. Action.

[Unknown]

You know, there we are watching autocracy. We are watching an autocrat try to take over the government. And there's a reason that they're targeting grad students, people who've written op, people who have political views. They don't like judges. I mean this is, this is a war on speech.

Her.

[Steve Bannon]

I'll play that again later. Her grandfather was Howard Fast that wrote Spartacus and many others and I believe was blackballed in Hollywood, did not go to prison. I don't think like Ring Lardner, who preceded me at Danbury, he went for the same thing, contempt at Congress. Back then it was a felony, not a misdemeanor. Tom Fenton, this is incredibly important. It's not just about the Epstein files or other things. You got to pull the camera back and I want you to repeat it. The FBI and the DOJ came that close within a micro millimeter of jailing President Trump. And not just, not just me and Navarro, I'm talking about others. But jailing President Trump for 20 or 30 years for nothing. Totally made up. This thing stinks to high heaven and I 100%. And it's kind of sad you had to come back a week after you were on here the first time. We need immediately a special counsel designated by the president to report to the president as the chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer. Heck, we're going to force. You're forcing it in the Supreme Court every day. Being the chief, you know, the three powers of the unitary theory of the executive or as the engine room keeps telling me, it's called Article 2. Steve. Okay. His Article 2 powers as chief executive commander in chief and the chief law enforcement officer of the United States, which every night on TV and MSNBC is the one that they fear the most. Right. It's time now to follow what Tom Fenton said. And it's not that Tom Fenton just wandered in and is some donor to stroke the check and said, hey, I think this Tom Fenton has been in these trenches for 15 plus years. If it was not for Tom Fenton, the Obama administration would have been 10 times more out of control than it was. So Tom, once again, what is your. I just want the audience to know we're not picking on Cash and Pan. We love Cash and Pam. But it's obvious running those institutions is a full time job. This is why they took ATF away from Cash. It wasn't that he was doing a bad job. His play is full just running it. PAMS is obviously full with doj, but these have to be investigated. We have to do it now. We're burning daylight. It's got to go. So what is your recommendation? What's your justification?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, there are a few other issues here. It's like, you know, Christine Oem, for example, she's got control of the border, right? So a country's got to get control of the border. The people have got to get control of the border in order to have a country that you can actually call a nation state. You also need to get control of the administrative state. And what Fast was saying earlier at msnbc, it's the complete opposite. Political control of the administrative state has got to be job number one, two or three for President Trump. And he's made significant strides there. And in order to achieve that, which is in theory, which really ultimately is democracy, right, the people control the bureaucracy, not the other way around, the bureaucracies need to be controllable in terms of budget and size. And let's stop pretending that the FBI is controllable in terms of budget and size. Let's stop pretending DOJ is controllable in terms of budget and size. So there needs to be a, a DOGE approach to both agencies, and there needs to be an approach treating them like Department of education and DOGE. I'd be happy having Linda McMahon go over there because she's been doing this over at the Education Department. They already have people who've kind of gone through this process internally in terms of managing the decimation of these out of control agencies in a way that protects the republic. And in terms of the lawfare, there's got to be accountability for it, because otherwise I don't think you're going to. I'm not worried about Democrats coming in and these agencies getting out of control and abusing. I'm worried about anyone getting back in. Remember, Trump was almost jailed during the Trump administration. So it's not a question of the partisan president or the partisan nature of the president or the party of the president. It's a question of are these agencies subject to the rule of law? There's no evidence the FBI thinks it's subject to the rule of law. And the DOJ was an absolute threat and defends everything. But people don't understand the Justice Department defends everything lawless in the government, in the federal government. That's their job. Anytime you have a complaint about what the government does, you can always count the DOJ to be there to defend it. So there's got to be kind of an understanding of what's happening here. And I think Trump understands it, but he's got a lot of things on his plate. And this is where Cash Patel and Pam Bondi need to take a much more aggressive and expansive and have an expansive understanding in the greater in this great history of the country as to what their opportunities and roles here are. You know, I remember talking to a historian about what was the difference between the founders and the current group of politicians and, you know, their view was they understood where they were in history and understood it very carefully and worked to live up to the historical roles they understood they have. And I think Pam and Cash understand that somewhat. But our role and the role of citizenry is to remind them of that and bolster them, help them.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, it is, but repeat what you said. It's not them. The point is, go back to what you just said, folks. You have to understand something to understand our movement and the revolutionary nature of what we're attempting to do to restore this to a constitutional republic. Finn repeated again, President Trump was almost jailed by his own Justice Department in his first term. This just wasn't. Jack Smith and Lisa Monaco, they're all demons. And I don't know why we don't have a grand jury right now investigating the whole crap, but the apparatus itself, it's a systemic problem. It's not just a personnel problem. It's a systemic problem. It has to be taken apart brick by brick. And the FBI, I don't know why we don't have the headquarters up for sale. We got to take it apart brick by brick, break the thing up into a couple of pieces and not, I don't think, be out, you know, doing Instagrams about how great they are. They're not great. And I don't. Right now. I don't care about arresting guys in the top 10 most wanted. That's fine. That's fine. Go ahead, sir. Yeah.

[Tom Fitton]

When they had the FBI come to my house a few years ago to give me a subpoena. Yeah. Forgive me for thinking this is a little bit personal. You know, we've worked with the FBI. We've actually hired former FBI guys. It's. You know, I don't even want to kind of give credit to the argument. Well, there are good people working in the FBI. That is not the point. And there may be good people working in the FBI, but they're scared in the corner and unable to do anything. So it's not about them. The culture rewards corruption, cowardice in terms of ethics and morality. That's what we saw. That's what we see repeatedly. You know, remember, we got some. And they've got. The FBI's got the best PR operation in Washington, DC, second to none. Every foreign government looking for, you know, PR operations in D.C. every corporation, they should see. Look to see what the FBI had. They're untouchable in terms of. Oh, we hear anyone in Congress talking about defanging the FBI, even cutting a dollar from the FBI.

[Steve Bannon]

No, they're afraid they're intimidated. No, they're intimidated. I don't know why. The shows, all these. All these shows that glorify them ought to all be pulled down immediately. It's ridiculous. How many pulled. Fenton, where do people go to follow this? Because you're like a dog with a bone now. You're not gonna get off this, you know.

[Tom Fitton]

You know, I wake up this morning and it's like, Bannon wants you to come on. It's like. Doesn't Bannon take a day off? It's Saturday. What the hell wrong with you?

[Steve Bannon]

It's my favorite. It's my. It's my favorite show. I'm demented. Working with you for so many years, I'm demented.

[Tom Fitton]

I know. I'm happy to come on.

[Unknown]

That's.

[Tom Fitton]

That's for sure. I'm at Judicial Watch, obviously, and online, everywhere. Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch. There's no one else doing the work.

[Steve Bannon]

You know, I hope I don't. No. But this is the sad thing. I don't.

[Jeff Davis]

I don't.

[Steve Bannon]

I don't know if I have to go back to old Breitbart radio days. We used to have you on. We pitch you as the. As the people's Justice Department. We're in charge now. We shouldn't have to do this. This is what's so sad.

[Tom Fitton]

They have to do it now. They have to tell us. When are the records coming out? They didn't have to yesterday.

[Steve Bannon]

One of the key points is that Tom Fitton sued Trump's first term Justice Department more than he sued. And he used to tell me all the time, he says they stone Wallace worse than Holder in this crowd. That's how crock. Can I tell if we're speaks to even putting. Sure, go ahead. We got about a minute.

[Tom Fitton]

I visited with someone important, you know, whose initials are SB in the White House once, and he told me this. This SB character, last name Bannon, said Fenton. I'm trying to get you two things. I'm trying to get. I'm trying to get two things done. I'm trying to get you your documents and the embassy moved to Jerusalem. Well, you got the embassy moved to Jerusalem. We're still waiting.

[Steve Bannon]

A billion percent. A billion percent. The two hardest things. Hold it. Designating the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization and getting fit in his documents. I'm telling you that hasn't changed because the apparatus hasn't changed. Tom, what's your social media too? Where do people go besides Judicial Watch to follow you?

[Tom Fitton]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

On Twitter or anything else on Getter.

[Tom Fitton]

We're on all the social media platforms, Judicial Watch and I am as well. We've got great programming on YouTube and rumble and we, dare I say it, we're still on TikTok.

[Steve Bannon]

Amen. We'll figure that one out, too. A whole nother development with big Tech. We're hopefully get into it, jam it in. We're slammed this morning. Fenton. Love you, brother. Keep fighting.

[Tom Fitton]

All right. Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Grace will push this out. Grace will push this out hard. Everybody's got to see this more with sorrow than anger. We got to do it. The special counsel has got to be named directly report to President Trump or burning daylight. FBI's got to be taken apart. DOJ. It's a nest of vipers over there. Just a, obviously just a senior management change. Not going to do it, folks. Short commercial break. Back in the War in a moment.

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[Tom Fitton]

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[Steve Bannon]

Okay, I, I'm going to break down and talk to you about the bond market a little while. But like our theory, the case here, the bond markets turfed out more governments than howitzers think the bond. And I say this because now I've said for years the easy decisions are behind us. Every decision going forward is going to be a tough decision. Every decision going forward is going to have some pain to it, folks. If you want to sort this crisis out and the bond market is going to get a vote. The bond market got a vote this week. Note to self. So let's be here in this show for working class people and for middle class people. And that's why CNN poll shows that working class people come in more to the Republican Party because the Republican Party, at least some element of us, the populist nationalist wing of it, will have a frank conversation with working class people because they're kind of the embedded wisdom of the nation and we're not here to fool them. There's a situation on tech that I think we just blinked has come across the Bloomberg terminal, but it's because of the bond market. I'm going to get to that in a second. Gold. And this is why for the last four years, I hate to be blunt, but I'll be blunt. We've been ahead of this for a long time. This is why we teamed up with birchgold a long time ago to explain to people the situation about the prime reserve currency, the US Dollar, and what it means in the world economic system and how much the ability of our elites to game the system depends upon that and why that has responsibilities. Why that being the prime reserve currency has responsibilities. Number one, is this the whole military situation we got ourselves into? Gold exploded over the last week. It's not the price of gold. We're not here to say look at the price of gold, go buy gold, it's going to go higher. We never say that. It's not the point. The point is for you, just like everything else in the show, your agency, for you to learn what drives gold as a store of value and a hedge against financial turbulence. And folks, we're going to have financial turbulence like crazy. Why? Because President Trump is trying to reorganize the world's economic order to make sure we go back to America being a manufacturing superpower. Make sure you go to Birch Gold. Easiest way to start off, just take your phone and text Bannon B A N N O N at 989-898. Get the free guide of the ultimate guide to Investing in Gold in the era of Trump. Gold's going to fluctuate, but you need to know the converging forces in back of that. Also, the BRICS have a huge conference in July and the Birch Gold guys are going to go attend that as our representatives to report their live. Because remember, as I get into the Chinese Communist Party in the second hour of the show, their leading weapon, one of their leading weapons is a de dollarization program to de dollarize the nations of the world and to make sure that we're left kind of holding the bag, which right now, if we got off us being the prime reserve currency, we would be like Argentina back in the old days with the 150% inflation. Taj Gil this morning, because I was gonna have a nice morning breaking down the HBO special last night, the HBO Bill Maher show. We're not doing that because we got so much going on. I got so many people stacked up that we got to get on here for breaking news from everywhere from about the Persian nuclear situation to what's happening with China. I need a cup of coffee. I need a hot. I need a hot. I need a fill up. I need a top off of warpath coffee. Why is this coffee so great? Why do I drink it black? Why is it called the champagne of coffee, sir?

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Unknown]

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[Steve Bannon]

I think I got to work that date out. I got to work that special. Maybe these ought to be extended. But we'll talk about that after the show. Remember, he's a Navy seal. Okay, Jeff Davis, by the way, get a hot cup of coffee now because you'll need it for the rest of the show. Jeff Davis, S.C. greville, how is this? You're one of the MAGA leaders down there. How is President Trump's, you saw the Harry Entin, cnn, where President Trump's been able to shift the MAGA move, has been able to shift the Republican Party to be a working class party and it shocked cnn, it shocked the Democrats. How is President Trump's program to date playing down in the great state of South Carolina?

[Jeff Davis]

Well, Steve, as you and I have talked about or texted about it, it's playing perfectly with the citizens, the citizens here in the state of South Carolina. They're good, hardworking, God fearing Republicans, conservatives. But the problem is, and it's ex Tom Fenton was saying earlier in the earlier two segments is the leadership and the people that are running the state. And quite frankly, the establishment of the Republican Party has not, the MAGA movement has skipped past South Carolina in that respect. We have been rated by CPAC as the most liberal red state in the nation. We literally, I'm a tax attorney, cpa. We literally have the highest marginal tax rate in the entire Southeast. They literally came out with a plan to lower and flatten our income tax rates. Well, when you actually got into the numbers, they ended up increasing the tax burden on 60% of the lower income side of the table. So the problem is just like you guys were talking about on the national level. Y'all were working with Trump and trying to push things down. We're trying to work from the bottom up and push things up because we've got to do so much more on the lower level than I think even goes on on the national level. We came out with a survey last week. The state of South Carolina has 15 government employees per thousand citizens. The state of Florida has four government employees for 1,000 citizens. We've got a problem here in South Carolina and, and we're trying to push back really hard and support what you're doing on the national level. We need to be doing it on the state level and we probably need to be doing it in all 50 states. The same problem is going on all across the country.

[Steve Bannon]

No, no, this is, you're another example of Texas. But here's what I understand, the base down there. You don't have a more fired up, more dedicated President Trump MAGA movement than in South Carolina among the people. Why is it, we just got a couple minutes. Why is it not filtered up to the state level? And even to some of your federal, I don't want to get into, you know, naming names with some of your, you know, some of your own federal representatives. What's the problem down there?

[Jeff Davis]

Well, I don't mind naming names that I think you're talking about Lindsey Graham, who's up for election in 2026. But the problem is, quite frankly, South Carolina is first in the south, picking presidential candidates. South Carolina is where Trump won in 2016. South Carolina is where Trump won in 2024, where we stopped Nikki Haley, our former governor here in South Carolina. But that's the type of legislators we have, the Nikki Haleys, the Lindsey Grahams of the world. And because of the political consulting class that's here in the state, there is so much money that comes in here. And it's the political consultants that are sitting here managing this. And as you know, the political consultants, it's easy to sell out to money, special interest. And that's what our government here in the state of South Carolina is doing. We have the nation's worst rated school choice program. I mean, it, we spend at the median level. We spend at about the, about number 25 of all 50 states in the country on education. However, you know, we're number 47. So we're always thankful for Mississippi, but I think Mississippi is beating us nowadays on the education level. So, I mean, it's the problem is the Trump agenda has not filtered into the government and to the political establishment here. And that's what we're trying to work on. And Steve and I know you haven't mentioned it yet, but you're going to be down here at our Greenville County Republican Party convention. We represent about 12% of the state. And you will be here Monday speaking to the convention. And I hope we'll be pushing a hard message of let's get the Trump agenda infiltrated into our government in our political establishment here in the state of South Carolina. And I will give one, one other note for you just to know how bad it is. Our current state party chairman is a gentleman by the name of Drew McKissick. And if you recognize that name, he was the co chair with Ronna McDaniel. So that's what that's the type of state party we're still dealing with down here. We got rid of rona and Drew McKissick on the national level. Trump fired them last February of 2024. But we still got to fire Drew McKissick here in the state of South Carolina.

[Steve Bannon]

Is there any way people can still Attend. Is there a place they can go to? You can send them right now with 30 seconds left if they want to attend on Monday. Or is it or you close down ticket sales?

[Jeff Davis]

No, we want as many. This is going to be the biggest Maga America first event in the state of South Carolina. Come to greenville gop.com greenville gop.com it's either on our Facebook or on the on the website with our Instagram truesocial. But there will be a link there to purchase tickets and just contact us. We would like as many people to come. We've got vendors set up, doors open at 4:00 and you hopefully hit the air about 7:15.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, Jeff, Jeff, just hang on one second. I'm gonna hold you through the break.

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Tom Fitton]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Jeff Davis. Everybody in the local area that can make it down there, I want to make sure they get there. And I'll be doing a, you know, shaking a few hands, taking a few photos also. So where do people go? One more time, Sir.

[Jeff Davis]

Again, greenville gop.com or on social media, Facebook, Instagram, Truth social under greenville gop.com Tickets are still available. We are one of the very few county conventions which are open to the public. Doors open at 4 o'clock. We've got vendors. This will be a big maga movement. We'll gavel in at 6:30. We got a couple speakers, including Curtis Loftus, our state treasurer. And then it'll be the Steve Bannon Show. So we're, we're, we are War Room, South Carolina, as you can tell. And we are so excited to have you joining us. So Green, go to greenville gop.com everybody. We got people from North Carolina, Georgia coming and I think as far away as Texas.

[Steve Bannon]

Wow. Amazing. Thank you so much, sir. Look forward to seeing, by the way, your personal, your, your, your personal social media. What is it? Where do people go for that?

[Jeff Davis]

We follow we've got our nonprofit and our, our 501C4. It's my SCGOP news. That's where we, we put all information out there and on social media. But mymyscgop, thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Look forward to seeing you. Look forward to seeing you patriots on, on, on, on Monday. By the way, a lot of patriots in Beverly Hills gave a talk on, on Thursday night to just an incredible group of patriots. And then Bill Maher, the shocker last night, his discussion about President Trump in the White House was, quite frankly, extraordinary. And we're going to figure out how to break it down on Monday. Ube Shan Bandar helping Rick Grenell. Ambassador Rick Renell, you're an expert on what's going on, I guess, today in Oman, but it's really about Tehran. President Trump once again says, hey, and you kind of called the shot when you were here a couple months, weeks ago. Got to be direct negotiations. And that means the Israelis are out of the way. Really, the Omanis out of the way, the Saudis out of the way. This is the United States. Right to the Persians. This is so important for people because we got two carrier battle groups down the Red Sea kind of for this. We're bombing the Houthis kind of for this. Tell me what's going on today, sir. Witkoff's down there, over there. This is as big as it gets, is it not?

[Rick Grenell]

Yeah, that's right. This is a really big deal. There are ongoing negotiations right now from President Trump's Middle east envoy, Steve Witkoff, who is meeting with Ayatollah Khamenei's envoys in the neutral country of Oman in the Arabian Gulf region. Now, what's happening here is that President Trump sent a letter directly in March to the supreme leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei, and he essentially told them, you either engage in direct negotiations with my representatives to figure out a way where Iran can thrive but does not have a pathway to build a nuclear bomb, or you face direct and very severe Repercussions that letter went out in March. And now you have negotiations with President Trump's senior envoy along with Khamenei's senior envoys in Oman. Why? Because you, President Trump has the Ayatollah rattled. We know this because of leaks in the media that some of Khamenei's most senior advisers a few weeks ago sat down with them and told him, hey, we are facing an economic implosion because of President Trump's maximum pressure campaign that he officially issued back in February with that executive memorandum that is starving Iran of its ability to export its oil to China. In fact, according to some of the commodity data that we're seeing here, since January, Iran's exported about 1.6 million barrels of oil to China. Some of the data analysts are saying that that could go down by around half a million barrels because of the new sanctions that President Trump has issued that is hitting Chinese refineries and crude oil storage facilities. So Iran is essentially.

[Steve Bannon]

But hang on, but ube, hang on for a second. This is what I made on the thing the other day. You're not going to have a military situation here. We can't get dragged into that again. But it's 1.6 to 2 million. Why?

[Unknown]

Why is it not zero?

[Steve Bannon]

The Chinese Communist Party is our enemy. The Tehran to Beijing access is. Cuz we're in negotiations for rapprochement with the Russians right now to break that stranglehold in the Eurasian landmass. Why are we not even. Look, I spent some time in the Navy in the North Arabian Sea in the Persian Gulf with carrier battle groups during the Iranian hostage crisis. I don't know the United States Navy. Hey, if they're keeping the Red Sea Lane open to Suez Canal, we could shift those battle groups over there and stop every vessel coming out of the Straits of Hormuz, out of the Persian Gulf and stop and border them. And if they got oil for China that you turn them back, we could cut that to zero. We could bring the Persians to the knees economically. We could also seize the assets. Hell, Khomeinian, these guys, they own a third. They're only in back of the Arabs, the Chinese and the Russian oligarchs in the West End of London. They own some of the best real estate in the world. Why are we not. Why are we not taking hardcore sanctions that really would choke these guys down and bring them to the table on their knees?

[Rick Grenell]

Sir, I think we're getting there. President Trump has issued a number of sanctions on what's called Iran's Shadow fleet. In fact, just a few days before the ongoing talks in Oman, the Trump administration issued a new set of sanctions that are specifically targeting the individuals that the ship builders that own these fleet of ships that conduct what's called ship to ship transfers out in the Arabian Sea in the Gulf of Oman. Basically it's smuggling oil, you know, and that is really hurting Iran. Look, to give you an example, you have a severe water shortage and electricity shortage in Tehran that's forced government office to close down and schools to close down for like two to three days. And we're not even in the summer yet. So that what we do know is that Ayatollah Khomeini's senior advisors are telling me, hey, we cannot afford a conflict that might lead to the collapse of the Iranian regime. And we do know that the Israelis were fueled up and ready to strike Iran's underground nuclear facilities in the Fordo and Natanz area back in March.

[Steve Bannon]

But then, but that ain't. I know, but that ain't happening. That's where Bibi's come over a couple of times. He came over, talk about that is not going to happen. We are adamantly opposed to that. Adamantly opposed to that. And that's why Bibi came twice. You do that, you're going to get sucked into a Middle east war that's going to be without end. So hang on for a second because I want to talk about verification versus taking this thing apart. Short commercial break. We're going to get into it. The Persians, the Chinese, the bond market. Take out your number two pencil. We're working on a Saturday morning here in the war room. Going to leave you with the right stuff. We're going to be back in two minutes.

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