
Episode 4409: Cutting The Chinese Off From Energy Dependance; Murderous History Of Communism ...
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Stephen K. Bannon
War room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
Steve Bannon
It's Saturday, the 12th of April year for Lord 2025. We're so packed in the second hour, we're just going to have to rip through it. But just because you I think need to understand what's happening and think about it, mull it over over the weekend because Monday once again, we're gonna get up on the ramparts and some changes have to be made and you gotta have President Trump's back on some of this stuff. Ube okay. About the Persians, we cannot be in a situ. Look, I am adamantly opposed to military intervention. Cause you don't need it. Economic warfare here is very powerful. I'm glad President Trump's now doing the ghost. I can tell you that's what they do. They're shifting because they ain't shipping 1.6 million barrels a day. They're shipping more to the Chinese. We got ability to choke down two of our biggest enemies, the Persians, the crazy radical Islamic regime controlling Persia because actually the Persian people are fantastic and it's a great civilization and culture. Although it has been, it has been opposed to the west certain times in ancient times. But here's the thing, and I love Witkoff, he's doing the Russian thing. He's just coming from Moscow. He's Trump's go to guy in this cuz Trump's known him forever. He likes his negotiating style. He kind of negotiates like President Trump does and that's a bond that we're so blessed to have. Okay. And I was not totally crazy about when he left Qatar and went to Jerusalem with the hostage situation. I thought we ought to that Israel just let's. If you're gonna go through hell, go through it quicker. Let's just get thing done and put it back. You drag it out. You have these college campuses, all of it and I hate to say it, I think I was more right on that than wrong. Steve, I think has mentioned the V word, verification. There's two options here, either the verification option or a dismantling option. And correct me if I'm wrong, ube because you're an expert, the whole reason the Obama thing and the Kerry thing and Hillary Clinton thing was a fantasy, is they're trying to have some sort of UN verification program. Exactly. What they try to do in Iraq years ago, that was a total mess. Nobody knew what the information was. Right. On these kind of situations, there's no verification should be off the table. You're going to dismantle it and you're going to dismantle it in front of us and we're going to see it and then it's going to be like a Carthaginian peace. We're going to salt the earth around. What you tried to do is that isn't that kind of what our policy should be or is that what our policy is? Going into these negotiations in Oman today.
Sam Faddis
We have to learn from the Obama era mistakes. So there are two main reasons why the Obama deal really was unworkable and would have never ultimately, over a long enough period of time, would have actually allowed Iran a direct pathway to build a nuclear weaponization program. One, because essentially you had to depend on the Iranian regime on Ali Khamenei to give you declared sites. And only on these declared sites could the IEEA inspectors from the International Energy and Atomic Agency actually establish visits and cameras. So look what happened back in October. The Israeli Air Force destroyed an undeclared underground site in the Parchin military complex that was allegedly according to leaked intel to the Western press, where the Iranians were developing the process where you weaponize and develop a nuclear warhead. That was an undeclared site. That's why the Iranian regime, why Tehran, they didn't say anything about it. It was sort of like hear no evil, say no evil.
Steve Cortez
Right?
Sam Faddis
Because it was an undeclared site. And if the Iranians had issued some sort of condemnation of that Israeli airstrike, they would have essentially been admitting, oh yeah, we have an underground nuclear weaponization site that's directly connected to a major military complex. Right. So you have to, it's not just a matter of verification. You can't allow loopholes. And so what the Obama folks, did they establish something called sunset clauses that essentially gave Iran a period of time where then they could go gangbusters with their centrifuge capacity, increase what they can enrich and essentially give them a leeway, a time period where they can say that they were abiding by the agreement. And then when those sunset clauses hit, then they could do whatever they wanted from a military capacity. So you can't just trust these guys. And look, the negotiations with Russia is connected to all of this.
Frank Gaffney
Why?
Sam Faddis
Because one of the big pressure points on Ayatollah Khamenei is that, hey, we can't depend on the Russians now to come to save us if these negotiations collapse and we are facing severe military repercussions. Russians? Why? Because the Russians are now, they want positive relations with Washington. And that was a big pressure point on Khamenei that has forced him to these negotiations where now the Americans have significant leverage. The point here is don't waste that leverage because you've got the Ayatollah rattled. And Iran is facing economic implosion if it cannot export that oil through the shadow fleet to those Chinese refineries. And those Chinese refineries, they don't want to find themselves on the bad side of the American international banking network.
Steve Bannon
Of the two battle groups, one stays in the Red Sea because I think we're trying to work out something with the Houthis. No more shooting. Take another one. Put it right outside the Straits or the Straits of Hormuz, right there in the Persian Gulf where it hits right off Oman, where they're. Where they're now negotiating. Send the fleet, the battle group, right there. Right in the North Arabian Sea. Meet every ship. And, hey, if it's oil, it's going back. Sorry about that. You're just going to. You're going to burn it. You just take it back. You're not. It's not leaving. We don't care where you say it's going, because we know where it's actually going. It's going to China. Ube what is your social media. People can follow you. We'll get you back on on Monday. This is Wykoff's over there. And this is the most. This and the Russian are the two most important negotiations going on. Not Ukraine, Russia. And what's happening right now in Oman? About Persia. Where do people go? Where do people go?
Sam Faddis
Sir? And it's all connected. I'm at OS 26.
Steve Bannon
Yes.
Sam Faddis
On X.
Steve Bannon
One more time. Give me that one more time. I want to make sure Grayson Mo pushes out. What is it? One more time.
Sam Faddis
All right, I'm at OS 26 on X.
Steve Bannon
Okay, brother. Appreciate you. Let's get a deal. Done dismantling this bibi came twice to put pressure on Trump. Look in the Israeli, I mean, they've had amazing military victories against the Persian proxies. They've destroyed essentially Hezbollah and took out the Hezbollah leader. They also took out the air defenses of the, of the Persians. So but you can't this thing with a bunker busting bomb, you get into that, you're going to have that place going to be lit up or going to be sucked in there. I mean, Tucker's right on this. He's just right. Yeah, I know. I get a lot of grief for that. But you got to, we got, we have leverage. We have massive leverage. And President Trump's a guy that knows how to use leverage. Sam Faddish got a great piece up. I'm going to connect all these because I'm going to go, Sam Faddish, bond market, equity market, with Gaffney about economic warfare. Your piece. And this is what I want folks to understand. I know this audience does. But people that come on the show, this is not about a tariff war and a trade war. I mean, I think we just got some bad news or some weird news about tech, what we're doing with the tech things. I'll get into that hopefully later in the show, the tech tariffs, because now I'm totally corn fused. But the Chinese Communist Party has been at unrestricted warfare for us for at least since 2008 and probably before. But they've been in a people's war, as Frank Gaffney talks about, since May of 2019, still the most important month of geopolitics in the 21st century, because that's where Bob Lighthizer and Peter Navarre, working under the guidance of President Trump, spent two years 17 and 18 and 19 to get to a deal that covered all the original sins of the Chinese Communist Party as far as the world economy goes and would actually integrate them into the world economy. And they spit in after two years and getting ready to sign it. The draft. Li he with the number three guy in the government, Wan Xi Shan talked to Xi after a belt and road conference where Putin attended and they spit in President Trump's face. Now we got a smaller deal done later and you just follow it all the way through. The Wuhan lab situation started with the military games in the summer of 2019. They hit us with a biological weapon. When are people going to wake up? We said this in the first 72 hours in January 20th, 21st, 22nd of 2020, when this show shifted from war room impeachment to war room pandemic. We told you exactly what in the hell they were doing. In which everybody smeared us and took us off platforms. All the social media took us off platforms. Guys like Zuckerberg, who's going to be on trial on Monday, and the whistleblower says he's been working for the Chinese Communist Party. He's a traitor to his country. Deplatformed us. Why? Because we know exactly what's going on here. They've been at war with us, and finally we're engaged. This is not about tariffs and it's not about trade. It's far deeper than that. From Panama to the Arctic, from the three island chains of the vast Pacific to the real estate in midtown Manhattan, to the West End of London to the City of London's capital markets, to our sociopathic overlords on Wall street in the apartheid state of Silicon Valley, which just got looked like got a pass. These people are at war with us, and they're at war with us for a reason. Because they're the last group of gangsters that exist from the 20th century, from World War II. It's the one group of gangsters that have not been removed. Have not been removed. And World War II will not be brought to an end. And what happened to Lao Baijing? The Chinese people will not be brought to an end until the Chinese people bring them down. Lao Beijing, it's as clear as anything. It's as certain as the turning of the Earth. Sam Fadis, tell me about your. You take us back in history to the summer of 1941, and remember, we keep saying the kinetic part of the third world war we're on now is much bloodier. It's 10 times bloodier than September of 1939 with the invasion of Poland to June of 1941 when the Germans turned on their ally, the Russians, in Operation Barbarossa. The Wehrmacht starts blowing through Eastern Europe, Ukraine and Russia into really what became the greatest war in human history, the war between those two. Okay, if you cut to the summer, a little later in the summer, there were a couple of other moves that led to Pearl harbor and led to the American involvement at least in the war in Asia and the war in the West. Remember on December 8th of 1941, when Roosevelt went to Congress, he did not declare war on Nazi Germany. I will say that a million times. Why? He did not have support of the American people after being attacked by the Japanese, their ally, to declare war. Hitler declared war on us 72 hours later because of a secret treaty with the Japanese. And they thought we would not Fight. Take us back to the summer of 1941. And why is that applicable today, Sir Sam Faddis.
Stephen K. Bannon
So, you know, if we go back to 1941, summer of 41, we're already several years into escalation of tensions between us and the Japanese. The Japanese had been in Manchuria for years. Expansionism underway. Okay. The final straw, I think, is when the Japanese seize all the airfields of what's then French Indochina. This is after the flood. All of France and the Japanese are allies of the Germans. Okay, what do we do? We have been imposing various sanctions and measures all along over the course of years. What do we do at that point? We cut off all oil and gas exports to Japan, which is effectively completely dependent upon that. Which means we just drove a stake through the heart of the Japanese economy and through the heart of the Japanese war machine. Now, the fact that.
Steve Bannon
Hang on, hang on, hang on, Sam. Hey, I'm gonna give you some Runway on this because I think I just called for that in Iran, right? I think I just called for that in Iran. You cut the Chinese off from oil and gas. It's a different deal. There's no middle ground here. Hang on one second, I'll bring you back. I'm gonna take a commercial break. Birch Gold. Gold's on a roll. 3200 bucks an ounce. Went up $100 in one day. Greatest rise ever in modern, you know, metrics of gold. It's not about the price. It's about the process. If you don't understand it, it's time now for you to get savvy, to understand it, to understand the converging forces, to understand why central banks are buying it with both hands of what the bond market is telling you, what the capital markets are telling you, what the economy's telling you. And then applying your own common sense. Birchgold. Birchgold.com Bannon end of the dollar empire. Modern monetary theory. Yes, ideas have consequences in this. At this time, this idea had very negative consequences. And you will find out why. Birchgold.com Bannon Johnny Khan takes us out. Sam Fatdis on the other side. I got American faith in America. How well do you sleep at night? Real peace of mind comes from knowing your family is prepared for anything. My Patriot Supply, America's most trusted name in emergency preparedness, is offering a time limited discount on the bestselling three Month emergency food Kit. Now, this is the basic. The three month emergency food kit. This isn't your typical survival food. Each kit provides over 2000 calories and 100% of the recommended value of 12 essential vitamins and minerals daily for 90 days with delicious meals and extras including chicken, beef, fruits and veggies. We're talking quality meals that last up to 25 years in storage and still taste like home cooked. The pandemic taught us how quickly store shelves can empty. Don't wait for the next crisis. Your three month emergency food kit includes free shipping, a disaster replacement warranty and 24.7us based customer support. This special discount is available for a limited time only. Visit my patriotsupply.com now to secure your family's future with $100 discount. If you order by 3pm they'll ship your order within the same day. So you have peace of mind right away. Get my Patriotsupply.com by going to my Patriotsupply.com do it. Do it today. Use your agency. Action. Action. Action.
Stephen K. Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
Steve Bannon
So Sam Fatis. Summer, summer of 41. And why is it analogous today? Why on a Saturday morning where we're getting our, our warpath coffee, our fifth cup. Why, why, why we, why are you taking us back in time, sir?
Stephen K. Bannon
Look, summer of 41, we cut off oil and gas to the, to Imperial Japan because we're, we're fed up with their expansionism in the Pacific. Okay, what's the plan? The plan is they're going to come to the negotiating table, they're going to back off and we're going to put them back in their box, if you will. Okay, what do they do? They attack Pearl harbor. And they'd have a complete, they, they start a war with us, a full on kinetic war. All right, in other words, the enemy gets a vote. The enemy gets to decide that they don't feel like following your plan. So we're now in a situation where we are, as you say, we're not just imposing tariffs. We're going to the heart of the issue between us and the communist Chinese. And I fully support the administration. These guys are an existential threat. It's long overdue. We have to resolve this. So what do we want? We want them to come to the negotiating table and we want to establish a new reality. Somebody should be thinking, okay, that's great, again, I support that policy. What if Xi Jinping, who is not a capitalist and doesn't really just want a prosperous China and actually doesn't care about the Chinese people. He's been on world domination. What if Xi and the people around him have a different view? What if they decide to lash out, attack us? We know they're inside our critical infrastructure. What if they take that down? What if they move against Taiwan? What if they do a host of other things again? The enemy gets a vote. Are we ready for that and prepared for the possibility that this goes off in a totally different direction?
Steve Bannon
You think it's going off in that direction? We just had a big blink. I don't know the details of it, so I can't get into too much about tech, but, you know, we got Frank Gaffney up here, you got Larry Fink. We've got so many weapons, you could delist them, you could shut them down. Equity, shut them down to American capital. Where do you think we stand on this weekend right now? Because Xi, they're not going to blink. They're not going to blink. He can't blink. If he blinks, he's gone. That's why he's had a purge of the military, just like Stalin. Stalin knew a day was coming. He would fight Hitler. He knew that. He purged his military in the 30s to make sure they were all going to report. They're all his guys, right? And he still killed a bunch of them later. But he purged the military in the 30s to get ready for knowing that he would eventually fight the Vermont. No matter if he's doing treaties with him or whatever, they knew at some point in time it was going to be mano a mano. She understands that in this war, he backs down, he's gone. Right. That's why you got the top cadre's not going to blink on this. Am I wrong on that, Sam Faddis?
Stephen K. Bannon
No, you're not wrong. Now, are there a million variables here? Yep. One of the distinct possibilities, in my view, is that this guy reacts in what I would call a completely anti Western mode. He's not going to respond like we would, like the Germans would, like the English would. He's going to respond based on his own considerations. What do we know about the Chinese Communist Party? They don't care about the Chinese people. Mao sent folks out to the village and let tens of millions of folks die. That made no economic sense from a Western standpoint. It made perfect sense from the standpoint of cementing his control.
Steve Bannon
Hang on. When Kissinger and Nixon went over there, one of the things Mao used to say all the time, and this is when they had under a billion people, just under a billion, about the nuclear standoff between the United States and stuff like that, he goes, hey, we got the advantage. He said if they hit us, he says they kill a couple hundred Men. He says, how bad could it be? And they said, I don't know. It could kill 250 to 500 million people. He goes, that's fine. We still have at least half of us. And we, you know, we have a high birth rate. That's not that's 500 million people. To Mao Zedong was nothing. Hel. He starved in the in the Great Leap forward, he killed 70 or 80 million people. In the Cultural Revolution, killed another 100 million he never had. That's where the bloody that's why Lao Baijing wants to overthrow him. All this happy talk about doing business. Everybody over there getting pictures with him. He comes to San Francisco, you're kissing his ass. The tech Brogarcs, the same sons of bitches right now that we're trying to kowtow to, kissed his ass in San Francisco because they're business partners with the guy. What are we talking about? If we're going to talk truth, let's talk. Let's flip all the cards over and see whose interests are the elites in this country, from the sociopathic overlords on Wall street to the apartheid state of Silicon Valley that was created by progressive Democrats, run by progressive Democrats that I had to tell Bill Maher and his audience last night that we've had to inherit because all of a sudden they had a Damascene moment at 11pm Eastern Standard Time on 5 November when Trump won. All sudden they were MAGA, right? All of a sudden they're big believers. They're only narcissistic believers in themselves, and they're dealing and trading with the enemy right now. Sam, hang on for a second, because I got to get to this. Cortez the bond market gets a vote here, and the bond market voted last week. We have to be realistic about this. And one of the ticking time bombs here, folks, is the refusal of people on the Hill to deal with the unsustainable model we have, which is the $2 trillion deficits a year and the hundred trillion dollars we're putting on the balance sheet of the nation every hundred plus days. Cortez, your thoughts so exactly correct?
Steve Cortez
Steve, on Capitol Hill, there's no sense of urgency right now, no sense of even financial and fiscal realism. And if we look at the bond market, we understand that there is at least a mini revolt and maybe something that's going to be bigger than a mini revolt. And because of my former career, I still talk to some of the biggest bond traders in the world. Steve now, some of the volatility was created because of the tariff showdown, which is totally necessary. But bigger volatility was created. And this is what these traders tell me by this emerging budget that is just simply totally ludicrous from a borrowing and spending perspective. The profligacy of Capitol Hill that just continues unabated and now led by Republicans by people who supposedly had some sort of sense of actual discipline when it comes to the budget. So let me show you two markets though that will prove my point. The first one, if we can pull up chart 1, is the gold market, which you've been mentioning repeatedly during the show. That is gold going back to when Joe Biden took office. When Joe Biden took office, gold futures were under $2,000 an ounce. They have soared continually since that time because of all of the ravages of Biden nomics and his concomitant inflation explosion, which we are still unfortunately dealing with. There is still a lingering serious hangover from that built up Biden inflation as proven by gold. Again, don't take my word for it, price is truth. The price of gold now well above $3,200, closing at an all time high and absolutely surging in recent days. If we go to related chart, chart number two, let me show you the bond market here. And this is 10 year treasury yield. And this chart only goes back a month, some really significant volatility. So Steve, one of the few benefits, one of the silver linings to the trade tension, volatility is that it did smash yields lower. So meaning bonds go up in price, yields go down. We got 10 year yield back below 4%. That makes our debt a little less painful down there. But it didn't stay there long at all. And again, in speaking to some of the very biggest participants in bond markets in the world, a huge cause of that spike off of last week's lows to these highs, we're now back at 4 1/2% on 10 year yield. Is this totally irresponsible budget that is emerging out of Capitol Hill. We've got to get real about this situation. You're exactly correct that the bond market gets not just a vote, but perhaps the decisive vote. If we look back historically, and we're talking a lot of history today, you look back historically, bond markets have crashed empires. If we look more recently, the bond market in a matter of days took out a British prime minister. We look at our own history, Bill Clinton, his presidency largely changed trajectory not because he wanted to, but because he was so disciplined by the bond market and he was at least smart enough to largely heed the warnings of the bond market that he mostly abandoned his really radical early policies to more of a center left type position. My point is here, we need to pay attention to what gold is telling us, to what the bond market is telling us. And I implore Republicans on Capitol Hill to get real. We need higher revenues and lower spending. We must get this situation under control.
Steve Bannon
President Trump admitted he told us last week the people getting the yips are getting nervous with the big bond market guys that came to him and start talking about it. This is, and this would be the first. If President Trump wants to execute on his plan as he sees it, we need to make sure that the bond market can't, can't stop him. The way to do that is show you're serious about cutting the budget. And Elon Musk, let's be blunt, dropped a bomb when it's not $1 trillion of cuts, which we've been told over and over and over again. And I'm not picking on the guy. I support Doge. But you just can't show up at a Cabinet meeting when you've promised. You went on Brett Baier a couple of days before and promised again a trillion dollars this year, which I told this audience was a fantasy. $1 trillion this year and then drop a bomb. It's going to be $150 billion in 26. I'll take the 150 billion. If it's real, I'll take anything. Now if it's real, we got to cut it. Because right now, the bond market, the bond market got a vote on President Trump's reorganization of the world economy. They just did. Now, I always. We've always wanted a process, but we're going. I keep telling you, we have. Our options are closing. And every option we have is painful. If we want to keep the option of President Trump's got the freedom of action to act, we gotta show that we're serious about this or the bond market's gonna revolt and then he's gonna be jammed. Maga's gonna be jammed, and the United States is gonna be jammed. Cortez, am I wrong in any of that analysis, sir?
Steve Cortez
No, you're absolutely spot on that our options are incredibly limited because of our irresponsible bipartisan failure for years. And yes, it has been a bipartisan failure. Many Republicans totally collaborating with the administrative state, driving up a debt that is totally unsustainable. But it doesn't mean, Steve, that we have no options. And so, for example, what I would advocate for, there's been more reporting out of Washington, D.C. on this is that we've got to let that highest, that rate for the very highest earners go up because we need that kind of revenue. And it is an impossible possibility, though, for us to get that revenue out of the middle class. They are in a corner because of what Joe Biden did to them. They can hardly afford their lives. And I'm sure there's a lot of free market types out there who cringe when they hear me say that. But we've got to be realistic.
Steve Bannon
STEVE yeah, I shocked, I shocked the Bill Maher crowd last night. And ties right back to what Harry Entin said about Republican Party is the workers party and the people in America know the working class. Steve, you're, where's your social media? Where do people go to get all your information and your documents?
Steve Cortez
Cortez investigates.com all my docs, all my articles. Cortez with AN S. Cortez investigates.com thank you.
Steve Bannon
And what about your American workers thing? What, what website? Where do people go?
Steve Cortez
And that is amworkers.com although most of the most of the good content is on Cortez Investigates. And then of course, I'm also on Twitter at Cortez.
Steve Bannon
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Stephen K. Bannon
I think you. I think you hit the nail on the head, Steve. Look, this is an existential fight. I hate that word. It gets overused. But it's true. These guys are not looking at this through some rational Western commercial lens. How do we make sure. Profits are increased. This is about world domination. Do I expect them to blink? I hope to God they do. Would I be betting the farm on that? No. We should be prepared for the part where they shift this to a whole different level. The Chinese Embassy in Washington, D.C. last week put out a communique, and it said something to the effect of, we're ready for a trade war. We're ready for an economic war, we're ready for a shooting war, whatever kind of war you want. In the intel business, we call that a clue. We should be ready for the possibility that this goes kinetic somewhere.
Steve Bannon
Hold it. The ambassador to the United States and those guys are usually, you know, they're all under. He put up the escalatory ladder on a tweet up in our grill. What more do you need? When the Chinese are doing that, you should take it as a papal bull. These are guys that are Sun Tzu misdirection plays. This is like Lord Nelson upright in your face. Right, let's bring it alongside. Unsheathe the guns. No, sir. This Royal Navy. Let's bring it alongside, unsheathe the guns, and see who can take it the longest. Right. Flat out. The Chinese have never acted like this. They're dug in on this. Go ahead, sir.
Stephen K. Bannon
Right on the wall behind me. I have framed Nelson saying it says, engage the enemy more closely. Just come alongside and open fire until they go underwater.
Steve Bannon
Exactly. That's the Chinese going up the escalatory ladder with their. This is a diplomat, Frank Gaffney. We got a pretty big toolbox if we got the stones to use it, do we not, sir? And tifatis things. We have an awful lot of folks in this country, leaders in this country, and I mean economic and business and financial leaders that are compromised by the enemy and put their commercial interests first before the good of the country, sir.
Frank Gaffney
We do indeed, Steve. We have the ultimate leverage, I believe, in terms of underwriting the enemy. This is a message that we have had our colleague Roger Robinson propounding for decades. Our Committee on the Present Danger China, for the past six years, with your leadership and help. War room, of course. And I want to particularly call out Maria Bartiromo of Fox News. She has done some fabulous reporting on this, including a couple of interviews with Scott, Treasury Secretary, and two count two specials devoted to stopping the underwriting of the enemy. And I think all of that has cumulatively led to an incredibly important opportunity, and that is that President Donald TRUMP on the 21st of February, as you know, Steve, promulgated a national Security presidential memorandum calling for a, quote, america first investment policy, unquote, which stands in stark contrast, of course, to what we've been doing all these years in the connivance between the folks in Beijing and the folks, their old friends, as they call them on Wall Street. And this was a central piece of the first war room books, I'm very proud to say, the indictment, which talks about prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and friends for crimes against America, China and the world, prosecuting it at a minimum in the court of public opinion. So that's where the war room comes in and has, I think, handsomely to the point where that American first investment policy of the president's has now combined with the obvious elevation of the warfare that the Chinese Communists are waging against us and have been for decades, the unrestricted warfare, as you've pointed out repeatedly in context of the president's efforts to stop their predatory trade practices against us and the very belligerent retaliatory measures they've taken in response. Well, we've now had, wait for it, Larry Fink, one of the worst of these bad actors on Wall street with immense amounts of money invested in China, now saying on FOX Business yesterday that essentially, if you've got nefarious Chinese companies, his word, nefarious, they should be delisted from our capital markets. So this is a bit of a break.
Steve Bannon
But he was doing. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. It is. But he was doing that as a cover because he's saying he's fighting against delisting because we put it up in the worm as a tool last week and they panicked. He went on Fox Di Maria, who's one of Fox, because I guess it was Clayman, Liz Clayman, he was defending we shouldn't delist him. Of course they've done bad things, figuring we can never prove bad things. Hey, if it's bad things, it's all of them because they're all owned by the Chinese Communist Party. So by definition, they all get delisted. He's arguing the opposite. Frank, indictment.
Frank Gaffney
Could I just make this one quick?
Steve Bannon
Go ahead.
Frank Gaffney
There's a company called Cattle. It's got a ridiculous name, but that's what it's known as, Catl, that Jamie Dimon and Brian Moynihan of Bank of America, Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan, of course, Ted Pick of Morgan Stanley and David Solomon of Goldman Sachs are trying to bring to market right now. I can't see it happening. But if it doesn't happen, I'm going to tell you this, it will be in part because we have helped create this environment, as has the terror fight and so on, but create this environment in which there is now bipartisan support on Capitol Hill for not just delisting these Chinese companies like Catl, which is listed by the Pentagon as a military company operating in the United States. It's also been identified by John Molinar and Marco Rubio as a slave labor exploiting company. This is a company that should not get another dime of our money. It's actually got a billion dollars worth of Larry Fink's BlackRocks right now. But they're trying to raise $7.7 billion. Now, Donald Trump ought to say, under no circumstances are you getting any of that money. And I believe that will begin to put incredible pressure on this regime and maybe stave off the problem that I agree with Sam Faddis is a very real one. They're poised for a shooting war. Make no mistake about it. We need to deter that and this could be a way of and maybe disabling it as well.
Steve Bannon
Deterred. We can bring him to the knees without doing that. Frank Gaffney, where do people go for the content? All the coming of the present Danger China. All the seminars, webinars are amazing. It's a deep thing to go through over the weekend, folks, to get up to speed.
Frank Gaffney
Where do people go present danger China.org is where you can find all of those webinars. Subscribe for free. You can also take action there. Steve, we've got an align act up in the upper left hand, right hand corner, I guess it is. That basically, basically enables you with a click of a mouse to say to President Trump and your elected representatives, you don't want things like cattle going down. You want to have your money and it is your money mostly not supplying, not subsidizing, not enabling, not empowering, not emboldening. Our mortal enemy, the Chinese Communist party, take action.
Steve Bannon
Presentdangerchina.org A mortal enemy. You guys are heroes. Frank, thank you so much.
Frank Gaffney
God bless you, Steve, you too.
Steve Bannon
Much more on you next week and over the weekend. God bless you, Ava from new Federal State of China. I want people to understand what the Chinese people are seeing. Sam Fata said, hey, the diplomats are going up an escalatory ladder on Twitter to tell you, hey, we gotta go kinetic. We'll go kinetic. What are they telling tell me about the propaganda that he's prepping the Chinese people against the foreign devils. Ma'am.
Ava Chen
Absolutely. This is all coming against the Trump's American first investment policy and the tariff, the tariff policies, you know, they have no bullets on the economic fronts. We knew it, the CCP knew themselves, their economy is on the brink. So they're circumventing and hoping, you know, on the other battlefront of this unrestricted warfare, which is narrative warfare. And they know they do this the best. And they have been, you know, bringing successful, successful results because of our ignorance. So that's why the CCP is pumping up and jacking up all those propaganda fueling their goal is to feel the strong emotion, intense emotion that brought by pride and hatred. So the pride, that is why they pumping up the nationalistic sentiment. Okay. And even the Chairman Mao resurrected the guy that have killed 150 million Chinese in his 30, 40 reign of over the CCP. So even he resurrected and the spokesperson that you refer to, her name is Mao Ni. So she posted that video of Mao, his speech back in 1953 on her X official account and quote, using this caption, it say we are Chinese, we are not afraid of politics and we will never back down. So they are pumping up those false pride of the Chinese people who have been lied to. And on the other hand they also prey on the strong emotion. Probably one of the most emotion is hatred. So just a few hours ago, Mao Ning, the same spokeswoman published another short video basically painting America as the world enemy. So they're saying that Trump's MAGA policy is basically, basically aiming at, you know, at the expense of the rest of the people. So they criticize the tariff policy and they are asking the whole world, especially those Marxist and communists and radical left to rally against, rally around the CCP under the anti America sentiment. So you're seeing their play, people's heart and minds at all levels.
Steve Bannon
Yeah. And they're doing the try to, they're trying to get the global south, the brics, the de dollarization program. Ava, where do they go? Your daily mail stuff you're putting out, your daily news is unparalleled. It's amazing. Where do people go for new federal state where they go for this? Because you've got to see what they're feeding the Chinese people. Mao Zedong killed 2 to 250 million besides the forced abortions. And they're holding him up because he didn't care how many Chinese people. He didn't care. He used to say it all the time. He says we killed 200 million, not a big deal, we'll get that back in our birth rate. Where do people go right now to get You, Ava, all your information.
Ava Chen
Okay, so we're on getter at NFSE Speaks and also X NFSE Speaks. Thank you.
Steve Bannon
Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you. Sam Faddis, where do people go for all your information, brother? Your story this morning to take us back to the summer of 1941 hit you in the solar plexus. People got to get savvy about this. We need the war Room posse because we're getting to the ramparts next week. On Monday. Where do they go to get smarter over the weekend, sir?
Stephen K. Bannon
Go to and magazine, our online publication and magazine.substack.com that'll take you to all of the rest of our web presence.
Steve Bannon
I don't know about you, but my vote is Sam Faddis immediately should be deputy CIA like starting this afternoon. May start moving that next week, moving that merchandise. Sam Faddis, you're a patriot and a hero and a very wise and smart man. Short break. We rejoice when the lone war. Let's take down the ccp. What if he had the brightest mind in the war room delivering critical financial research every month? Steve Bannon here. War Room listeners know Jim Rickards. I love this guy. He's our wise man. A former CIA, Pentagon and White House advisor with an unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets, Jim predicted Trump's electoral College victory exactly 312 to 226, down to the actual number itself. Now he's issuing a dire warning about April 11, a moment that could define Trump's presidency and your financial future. His latest book, Money GPT, exposes how AI is setting the stage for financial chaos. Bank runs at lightning speeds, algorithm driven crashes, and even threats to national security. Right now, War Room members get a free copy of MoneyGPT when they sign up for Strategic Intelligence. This is Jim's flagship financial newsletter, Strategic Intelligence. I read it. You should read it. Time is running out. Go to rickardswarroom.com. that's all, one word. Rickards War Room. Rickards with an S. Go now and claim your free book. That's Rickards War Room dot com. Do it today.
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Steve Bannon
We're gonna need you on the. As you can tell, the show is a little jacked up this morning. We're gonna need you on the Ramparts next week. So much going on, we'll lay out the whole battle plan on Monday's show. I'll be up on Getter over the weekend. Also, you're going to need the triple lock the $1 million triple lock protection from a home title lock. Go to hometitlelock. Steve, right now. You get 24. 7 coverage. You get alerts in the middle of the night. If anything messing with that little contract you have that shows you actually own your home. Just think about it for a second. That's all it is in the world. That shows that you own that home, baby. Okay? And if anything goes wrong, they have a million dollar restoration program. Natalie Dominguez and the team can talk to you about it, get you through it. All of it. The $1 million triple lock protection. Hometitlelock.com promo code. Steve, that's all you gotta put in there. Go check it out. Today it is 30th anniversary of one of the darkest periods of mankind's history. Really. A holocaust in Southeast Asia at the end of the Vietnam War. Let's go. We got a short introduction. Then Dr. Thayer is going to be here about Cambodia. Go ahead and play it. Sydney. I think of you often.
Brad Thayer
And of my family. They tell us that God is dead. And now the party they called Ankar.
Steve Bannon
Will provide everything for us. He says Ankara has identified and proclaims the existence of a bad new disease.
Brad Thayer
A memory sickness diagnosed us thinking too.
Steve Bannon
Much about life in pre revolutionary Cambodia.
Brad Thayer
He says we are surrounded by enemies. The enemy is inside us. No one can be trusted. We must be like the ox and.
Steve Bannon
Have no thought except for the Party. No love but for the. That's the movie the Killing Field. You remember that. And people were so shocked about it. It was because of our. Not just retreat, but the way we abandoned the whole area after fighting for so many years and having so many people. And you see what the communists are like. These people are demonic. And what happened there is unspeakable. You consider what happened in Ukraine in the 30s. What happened to the Jews and the Gypsies and the homosexuals in Nazi Germany. Right. If you consider all the. What the Bolsheviks did to people in Russia. What happened in Cambodia is so unspeakable. It is. It's. It's even hard to watch the movie. It's hard to read about. Dr. Thayer. It's a lesson for today, is it not, Sir?
Brad Thayer
Steve, it certainly is. As you said, the 20th century had many horrors and atrocities. World War I, World War II, the Holocaust, Mao's great famine, the Ukrainian famine and what Stalin did. But we have now the 50th anniversary of a dark time, of course, for the US, for Cambodia, for Vietnam, with the evacuation. 50th anniversary today of the US evacuation from Phnom Penh in Cambodia. And then of course, at the end of the month, the 50th anniversary of the fall of Saigon to the North Vietnamese Communists. So what happened in Cambodia, of course, was when the US left, there was no one to keep the Khmer Rouge from seizing power as they drifted into the city. And the Khmer Rouge are a product really of the Chinese Communist Party. Mao Zedong was their lodestar, their genocidal leader. Pol Pot venerated Mao Zedong and saw him as the figure in the Cultural Revolution to apply to Cambodia. So Pol Pot and the Khmer rouge killed about 25% of the Cambodian population by the time they came to power in 1975 and December of 1979 when the Vietnamese actually invaded and stopped the genocide. So 2 million Cambodians, or 25% of the population, died in that basically three year, eight month period when they were in control. So the Khmer Rouge, of course, were genocidal. They had the idea of remaking society the year zero. They were going to remake everything along the lines as Mao Zedong wanted. So this is important today for three big reasons. First, when Xi Jinping says, the Communist leader of China, Xi Jinping says he wants to emulate Mao and he wants to be as great as Mao, now he's telling you something, right? That's like a Russian leader saying he wants to emulate Stalin. It's a very precarious point that he's making and very dangerous for us. Secondly, we really need to take ideology seriously. Ideas have consequences, as you always stress. Communist leaders don't mind having the people suffer, and that is deliberately suffer as they destroy their own societies to realize their ideological ambitions. Right? As you were arguing earlier, that's a very important point to take. The Chinese people are going to incur the cost, not Xi Jinping. And then thirdly, as Sam was arguing earlier, as Sam Faddis was arguing, don't. Mirror image. Right. See the world not through our eyes, but through theirs. It's very important to understand their history and to understand that they see the world radically differently than we do.
Steve Bannon
Different. Dr. Thayer, where do people go over the weekend? Get your ranks. We'll get you back on next week. The 30th anniversary of this holocaust in Southeast Asia. Disgusting. Where do people go, Sir Brad Thier.
Brad Thayer
At X or Bradley Thayer at Truth and at Getter? Thanks, Steve. Thanks for calling attention to it.
Steve Bannon
And we're working up to. We're working up to the 30th anniversary of fall of Vietnam. An American retreat just Remember this Pol Pot was a devotee of Mao Zedong and she is a devotee of Mao Zedong. Let's just be blunt about it. And the people in business with them, that's what you're financing. Ask Lao Beijing. The gutless Wall street and the tech oligarchs are filthy with the money they've taken from China and you're all going to be held accountable. Mike Lindell brother, what do you got for sell me a pillow.
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Podcast Summary: Bannon`s War Room - Episode 4409: Cutting The Chinese Off From Energy Dependence; Murderous History Of Communism
Release Date: April 12, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Sam Faddis, Frank Gaffney, Ava Chen, Brad Thayer, Steve Cortez
In Episode 4409 of Bannon`s War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves deep into the strategic imperative of reducing America's energy dependence on China and examines the dark legacy of communism. The episode underscores the urgent need for economic warfare over military intervention and draws historical parallels to current geopolitical tensions.
Steve Bannon opens the discussion by emphasizing the critical need to sever China's access to American energy resources. He states:
“We got the ability to choke down two of our biggest enemies, the Persians, the crazy radical Islamic regime controlling Persia...”
[00:53]
Bannon advocates for leveraging economic power to limit China's oil imports, suggesting that America can effectively restrict China’s energy flow without resorting to military action. He highlights President Trump’s shift towards economic measures, aligning with his strategy to undermine China's economic foothold.
Sam Faddis reinforces this by critiquing the Obama administration's flawed Iran deal, emphasizing the necessity of closing loopholes and dismantling nuclear capabilities without relying on unreliable verification methods:
“Nobody knew what the information was... you can't allow loopholes. You have to dismantle it and salt the earth around...”
[03:26]
Faddis argues that similar economic strategies should be applied to China to prevent them from gaining undue influence.
Bannon and his guests discuss the superiority of economic warfare over traditional military intervention. Bannon asserts:
“I am adamantly opposed to military intervention. Cause you don't need it. Economic warfare here is very powerful.”
[00:53]
Frank Gaffney adds that economic measures provide substantial leverage against adversaries without the collateral damage of war. He points out that using financial tools can cripple the enemy's economy while preserving national stability.
The conversation pivots to the complexities of U.S.-China negotiations. Bannon criticizes the failure of previous administrations to secure fair deals and underscores the importance of maintaining leverage:
“President Trump's a guy that knows how to use leverage... Sam Faddis got a great piece up. I'm going to connect all these...”
[05:32]
Sam Faddis elaborates on the strategic importance of maintaining U.S. leverage in negotiations, especially in light of China's aggressive economic tactics:
“They spit in President Trump's face and declared a people's war right after that...”
[27:33]
The guests agree that maintaining economic pressure is crucial to prevent China from dictating terms or escalating conflicts into kinetic wars.
A significant portion of the episode addresses the influence of the bond market on U.S. fiscal policies. Steve Cortez explains how unsustainable debt levels and fiscal irresponsibility are causing volatility in the bond markets:
“There is at least a mini revolt and maybe something bigger... the gold market is soaring because of Biden inflation...”
[22:14]
Bannon highlights the bond market's potential to derail presidential initiatives if the government does not take decisive action to manage debt and spending:
“If we want to keep the option of President Trump's got the freedom of action to act, we gotta show that we're serious about this...”
[26:48]
Cortez emphasizes the necessity of increasing revenues from the highest earners to stabilize the economy:
“We've got to be realistic... higher revenues and lower spending. We must get this situation under control.”
[26:48]
Drawing parallels to historical events, Bannon and Faddis reflect on the summer of 1941, likening it to current tensions with China. Bannon recounts how cutting off Japan's oil supplies precipitated the attack on Pearl Harbor:
“If we cut the Chinese off from oil and gas... What do they do? They attack Pearl Harbor.”
[16:32]
Faddis concurs, illustrating the dangers of economic measures leading to unintended military conflicts:
“The enemy gets a vote. Are we ready for that...”
[18:26]
The episode warns of the dire consequences if economic warfare escalates into military conflict. Bannon warns that China’s CCP is prepared for a shooting war:
“Are we ready for that and prepared for the possibility that this goes off in a totally different direction?”
[18:26]
Frank Gaffney supports this by highlighting statements from Chinese officials indicating readiness for various forms of war, including kinetic ones:
“President Donald Trump... prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and friends for crimes against America...”
[36:15]
Discussion shifts to the motivations and actions of the CCP. Bannon and Ava Chen explore how the CCP manipulates nationalistic sentiments and propagates anti-American narratives to maintain control:
“They are pumping up those false pride of the Chinese people who have been lied to... painting America as the world enemy.”
[42:01]
Ava Chen further explains the CCP's use of propaganda to foster hatred and pride among the Chinese populace, making it difficult to counteract their influence:
“They are pumping up the nationalistic sentiment... they also prey on the strong emotion, probably hatred.”
[42:39]
The conversation returns to the U.S.'s fiscal challenges. Bannon criticizes the bipartisan failure to manage the national debt, stressing the urgency of addressing the $2 trillion annual deficits:
“The bond market got a vote on President Trump's reorganization of the world economy... we've gotta get real about this situation.”
[26:48]
Steve Cortez advises on feasible solutions, such as increasing taxes on the wealthiest Americans, to generate necessary revenue without overburdening the middle class:
“We need higher revenues and lower spending... the highest earners go up because we need that kind of revenue.”
[27:33]
In a poignant segment, Brad Thayer recounts the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, drawing lessons for today's geopolitical landscape. Thayer emphasizes the genocidal nature of communist regimes and their disregard for human life:
“Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge killed about 25% of the Cambodian population... genocidal leaders don't mind having the people suffer...”
[46:20]
Bannon connects these historical events to contemporary threats, warning that modern leaders like Xi Jinping are inspired by such brutal ideologies:
“Xi Jinping says he wants to emulate Mao... that's like a Russian leader saying he wants to emulate Stalin.”
[50:39]
Thayer underscores the importance of understanding these historical precedents to effectively counter current and future threats posed by authoritarian regimes.
Episode 4409 of Bannon`s War Room delivers a compelling analysis of the strategic necessity to decouple from China's economic influence and confront the enduring threat of communism. Through incisive discussions and historical insights, Bannon and his guests advocate for robust economic policies and vigilant fiscal management to safeguard American interests and prevent the resurgence of oppressive regimes.
Notable Quotes:
Steve Bannon: “We got the ability to choke down two of our biggest enemies...”
[00:53]
Sam Faddis: “Nobody knew what the information was... you can't allow loopholes...”
[03:26]
Steve Cortez: “There is at least a mini revolt and maybe something bigger...”
[22:14]
Ava Chen: “They are pumping up those false pride of the Chinese people...”
[42:01]
Brad Thayer: “Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge killed about 25% of the Cambodian population...”
[46:20]
This comprehensive summary encapsulates the critical themes and insights from Episode 4409, providing listeners with a clear understanding of the discussions surrounding U.S.-China relations, economic warfare, historical atrocities of communism, and the imperative for fiscal responsibility.