Episode 4412: Ridding The Deep State Out Of The State Department

Summary

Episode Summary: "Ridding The Deep State Out Of The State Department" (Episode 4412)

Podcast: Bannon's War Room
Host: WarRoom.org (Steve Bannon appears briefly)
Release Date: April 15, 2025

In Episode 4412 of Bannon's War Room, host Jack Posobiec takes the reins in Steve Bannon's absence to discuss the ongoing efforts to eliminate Deep State influence within the U.S. State Department. The episode delves into the shutdown of USAID, the controversial deportation cases, and the broader implications for American governance and national security.

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Key Topics Discussed

1. Shutdown of USAID and Pete Morocco's Departure

Timestamp [05:26]

Jack Posobiec welcomes guest Mike Benz (also known as Ben Cyber) to discuss the recent developments surrounding USAID. The conversation centers on Pete Morocco's departure from USAID, questioning whether it was due to policy disagreements or other underlying issues.

Mike Benz [06:02]:
"Pete Marocco was the most informed, the most aggressive, showed the most backbone, the most willing to fight, fight, fight about it."

Benz highlights Morocco's effectiveness and speculates on the reasons behind his exit, suggesting it might not have been purely policy-driven.

2. USAID as a Bipartisan Slush Fund

Timestamp [08:15]

Mike Benz elaborates on the extensive influence of USAID, describing it as a bipartisan slush fund that has historically supported both Democratic and Republican agendas.

Mike Benz [08:15]:
"USAID really gives a roadmap for rogue activities by the Pentagon."

He warns that shutting down USAID could have profound implications, potentially destabilizing the financial interests of various congressional donors and local representatives reliant on its funding for community projects.

3. The Maryland Man Hoax and Deportations

Timestamp [02:44]

Jack Posobiec criticizes the media's portrayal of the "Maryland man" deportation case, asserting that the individual in question is an illegal alien from El Salvador, not a U.S. citizen. He emphasizes the administration's firm stance on deportations.

Jack Posobiec [03:56]:
"President Trump... said, I'm not letting him out of jail."

Posobiec argues that the media is misrepresenting the case to elicit sympathy and support for deportation policies, highlighting inconsistencies in the treatment of similar cases involving U.S. citizens versus illegal aliens.

4. USAID's Alleged Role in Drug Networks

Timestamp [19:15]

Mike Benz presents a controversial perspective, alleging that USAID has been involved in funding and maintaining drug networks globally. He connects this to broader strategies aimed at influencing international politics through narcotics trafficking.

Mike Benz [19:15]:
"USAID is a portal into the CIA... USAID plays a significant role in the drug trade."

Benz links historical and contemporary instances where USAID's funding has allegedly supported illicit activities, suggesting a long-term agenda to manipulate global events and maintain Deep State control.

5. Political Violence and Generational Extremism

Timestamp [31:25]

The discussion shifts to the rising trend of political violence, with guest Dr. Charles Cornish Dale analyzing recent lone wolf attacks inspired by extremist ideologies. He draws parallels between historical and current motivations for such actions.

Dr. Charles Cornish Dale [32:03]:
"The left is totally exhausted as a mass movement... what have you got? Lone wolf attacks."

Dale explores the motivations behind these violent acts, attributing them to individuals rather than organized groups, and discusses the impact of social media on fostering extremist behaviors, particularly among younger generations.

6. Generational Differences in Activism

Timestamp [39:24]

Furthering the discussion on extremism, Dr. Dale and Jack Posobiec examine how generational shifts influence political activism and violence. They suggest that Gen Z's preference for individual viral moments over mass movements may contribute to the rise in lone wolf attacks.

Jack Posobiec [40:51]:
"Gen Zers are more interested in going viral as an individual. And what, of course, would be the most heinous act to go viral as an individual as of, as an individual would be committing an act of political extremism."

7. Calls to Action and Grassroots Activism

Throughout the episode, Jack Posobiec urges listeners to take proactive steps against the Deep State's influence. He encourages contacting congressional representatives to oppose the continuation of USAID and supports the administration's efforts to dismantle entrenched bureaucratic power structures.

Jack Posobiec [25:47]:
"The American people... we wanna see the action. We wanna see the results."

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Notable Quotes

• Steve Bannon [00:24]:
  "Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved."

• Mike Benz [19:15]:
  "USAID is a portal into the CIA... USAID plays a significant role in the drug trade."

• Dr. Charles Cornish Dale [32:03]:
  "The left is totally exhausted as a mass movement... what have you got? Lone wolf attacks."

• Jack Posobiec [25:47]:
  "The American people... we wanna see the action. We wanna see the results."

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Conclusion

Episode 4412 of Bannon's War Room offers a critical examination of USAID's role within the U.S. State Department and its alleged connections to Deep State activities. Through in-depth discussions with experts like Mike Benz and Dr. Charles Cornish Dale, the episode highlights concerns about bipartisan corruption, the efficacy of deportation policies, and the evolving nature of political extremism. The hosts and guests advocate for decisive actions to dismantle entrenched bureaucratic influences and encourage listeners to actively participate in shaping U.S. governance.

Listeners are encouraged to stay informed, engage with grassroots movements, and support initiatives aimed at restoring governmental accountability and transparency.

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going.

[Jack Posobiec]

Medieval on these people.

[Steve Bannon]

Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Jack Posobiec]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that at these people out of conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Jack Posobiec]

War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. All right, as you can see, not Stephen K. Banner here. Steve is on assignment, but he will be back in the war room very soon. For now you've got Jack Boic, of course, the host of Human Events Daily. But you might notice, you might notice that I've got a slightly different background than I did earlier Today on the 2 o'clock show on human Events Daily. Why is that? I'm here for Tim Cast. I'll be on the Tim Cast IRL program tonight. And Tim has been more than gracious to allow us the use of his studio for the war room, which by the way, if you guys recall, is the second time that he has done this. Because when we had the second Trump rally at Butler, Pennsylvania back in October, I believe it was October 5th, 2024 up in Pennsylvania. Steve, of course, was that's when he was on his extended vacation visiting Danbury, Connecticut, courtesy of Merrick Garland and Nancy Pelosi. It was Tim Pool who came up and saved the war room by allowing us to power the war room off of his cybertruck because, well, Secret Service didn't want us running a gas powered generator. And I said, well, I need a giant battery that can operate without gasoline and be enough to power the entire war room from Butler, Pennsylvania, essentially the parking lot area. And I was thinking it need to be on wheels. And then of course, Tim Pool comes up with his cybertruck and absolutely saved the day. And so folks, when we're looking at everything that's going on out there, we have to talk about the Trump administration, everything that's come forward. Bukele being at the White House today, I think this is an absolute shift. This shows that last week what did we have with the economic fight? The economic leg of the stool when it came to tariffs, the economic leg of stool when it came To China, the People's Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party sticking it to them with regards to these tariffs. Now, what are we seeing? The focus is back on the deportations. And I was just on with Eric talking about this. Eric Bolling, I'll talk about it here. Again, the media is running with this Maryland man hoax. The Maryland man hoax. The Maryland man. Yes, the Maryland man who got accidentally sent to the El Salvadoran jail. It sounds like a Hallmark special, except not on the real hallmark, on like some, some nonsense, lifetime version of it because none of it is true. It's an absolute hoax. This isn't a Maryland man. This is an illegal alien from El Salvador. And yet the Democrats are salivating over this thing like it's like it's, you know, the, you know, it's like you, that you would have thought they deported Jesus Christ during his holy Week right now over this guy. Maryland, El Salvador won't return wrongly deported Maryland man. He's not a Maryland man. He's not a citizen. He doesn't have a right to here. And by the way, if the government of the United States went to El Salvador and snatched one of their citizens and expropriated him, expatriated them to the United States, that would be kidnapping without a legal order. We can't do that. We have no right to go and do that. And so President Trump, of course, spoke directly to the president of El Salvador and he said, I'm not letting him out of jail.

[Mike Benz]

Why?

[Jack Posobiec]

Because we don't let criminals out of jail in El Salvador anymore, unlike your cities, unlike New York City, unlike Frisco, Texas, where Carmelo Anthony was already let out of jail. He's on, he's on house arrest right now. I think Tim and I will probably be talking about that a little bit later tonight. And all of these other cases where you have Soros das across these major cities. But understand this is Trump and the administration putting the full onus back on the deportations. This has always been the key rail of maga, the key railhead of the entire movement. I've always said it has been dual hatted. The two hats of the MAGA movement are this, trade and immigration. What makes us different? What makes MAGA different from, from the GOP old establishment, the previous establishment? Well, why are we not Jeb Bush, why are we not the party, Mitch McConnell anymore? Because we're going to actually get things right on trade, which means fixing the economy for the average person, the working person, the working class people of this country, Ohio, Sandusky Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, all the rest of it. And then of course, on immigration, we are going to fix the problems of im, where to get the illegals out of here and stop importing the cheap foreign labor. Foreign policy and war policy, by the way, are intrinsically tied to this. By winding down these types of operations, we can wind down the influence of the unit party, I'm told. Do we have our first guest? Do we have them? Do we have them there? All right, let's see. Benz, do we have you?

[Mike Benz]

Great to see you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hey, guys. Hey, Ben. All right, Mike Benz. Mike, Ben Cyber. You guys know him from X. You guys know him from Twitter, foundation for Freedom Online. Now, Ben, I had to get you on, on because there's been this story that's been just absolutely rocketing up the, the, the Internet, the timeline. Laura Loomer's been tweeting about this very emphatically. We've also seen a lot come out from the media regarding this. Trump's head of USAID is no longer there. Pete Morocco, what are you hearing? What's the latest that's going on?

[Mike Benz]

Well, I have to say, when I met with the transition in that period in between election inauguration, I had a chance to meet with Pete Morocco and I have to say that of all the people that I met with personally about the USAID and State Department issues, Pete Marocco was the most informed, the most aggressive, showed the most backbone, the most willing to fight, fight, fight about it. And he went in, he did his job with flying colors. And I have nothing but positive things to say about the man. I don't know. I'm not privy to what was behind this. Whether he resigned or was terminated for some reason, it would be hard for me to imagine that it was on strictly policy grounds unless there's a shift happening at a more tectonic plate level about walking back what's been happening at USAID and at the various State Department levels around the NGO sphere. So I don't know, I'm hearing a lot of rumors, but I don't know, you know, you may know more on this than I do in terms of what's behind it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, at the end of the day, what I keep hearing from, you know, from sources in the Senate and on the Hill is that obviously, as we saw the, and maybe you could walk us through this, the 50,000 foot view is that unfortunately, there are people still in Washington D.C. that want to continue what USAID was and a lot of people need to understand that. Usaid, yes, we've described it as a slush fund. But it wasn't just for Democrats. There were Republicans that were involved in this. There were people like Lindsey Graham and so many others. John Connor, John Cornyn comes to mind, by the way, guy who's a guy who's going to be up for potential primary up from Ken Paxton, the great Ken Paxton, AG of Texas. Ben's walk us through the problems that it creates if the slush fund of Washington, D.C. is removed 100%.

[Mike Benz]

That's exactly right. I'm so glad you bring this point up because it's one that I talk about all the time, that we're fighting the ghost of Ronald Reagan here as much as we are the specter of George Soros. If folks remember John Bolton held up on Piers Morgan, the US Aid hand grenade, literally. John Bolton was in charge of policy and budget for USAID under Ronald Reagan. And his parting gift from USAID was a hand grenade with his name engraved in it. And I can think of really no more symbolic representation of USAID than a John Bolton hand grenade. But the fact is this has been juicing the bipartisan blob, really since the day it was born. It's a way of actually creating buy in for war efforts or for CIA activity on both sides of the aisle in the same way that places like the National Endowment for Democracy have both a Democrat wing, the ndi, the National Democratic Institute, which Hunter Biden was on the chairman's advisory board of, and the IRI, the International Republican Institute, which was started by John McCain and Mitt Romney was on the board of and et cetera. And so there is this bipartisan slush fund that obviously threatens the interests of the donors to members of Congress, that threatens the constituents in the areas that they represent. So, for example, if you are in a big city with big corporate operations that are headquartered there or have offices there and they are pulling for their local representatives on the basis of how much grant money is going to go or how many contracts or grant money is going to go to benefit them or in operations that benefit them, then it's a massive existential threat to you as a congressperson to have USAID shut down. And so this has been my principal fear since Trump initially made these announcements that there would be the congressional snakening that would happen. And I would say, fortunately, I don't know if that's from threats of being primaried from Elon Musk. That has been a sort of constant specter over Republicans in Congress who are on the verge of snaking. We saw close calls in the case of Senate confirmation hearings around Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy and others. But it looks like the coalition in Congress has largely held strong to date and that the major blocking point has been from the judiciary level. But I don't know if there's, if, you know, it would be great if we could get a public statement either from the State Department, USAID, or from Pete Morocco himself in terms of whether this came from a policy disagreement or a personality disagreement or it was a voluntary resignation if Pete felt that his job was to get this done and that it was done. So. But it's obviously a moment where I.

[Jack Posobiec]

Think let's, you know, let's. Right. No, I think that's a great point. And I also want to say, you know, take the personalities out of it. You know, of course there's a lot of alphas in the Trump administration. A lot of people like Pete Morocco who are, you know, who are gonna go in there guns blazing. But let's also remember this is exactly what this administration was set up to do. So just, you know, take the names out of it. It's. We were set up and put on this mission and put on this path. You've got do that. You've got one of the chief architects of so much of the problems that we've seen out there. And so much of the waste has always been usaid. And so this is why, by the way of all the things that they came in and shut down, the Trump administration came and shut down because by the way of people like you identifying this as really being one of the hornet's nests that was out there to say, target this thing. And we'll see the response, boom, there was an immediate response. You saw the system respond to USAID in ways that they didn't respond to anything else out there. By the way, any of the other offices, nothing saw the response that USAID did. And why? Well, just. You're right. You've just been right. It's just right on the facts that this actually has not been about foreign aid. That that's never what this was only about. It was about laundering money for special projects overseas. And that's why you're seeing the response. And so the reason that I bring it up and the reason that I think that all of MAGA should really focus on this is an understand this is part and parcel of the very top level item that President Trump talked about on the campaign trail. This is what people voted on. The American people support this, and more importantly, the President supports this this is his agenda. Two minutes till the break. Mike Benz.

[Mike Benz]

Well, what everyone has been concerned about since the day the closure of USAID was announced was will it stick? Is this something, how much should we celebrate right now? Because it's obviously a huge moment. Will it stick? Will it be walked back? Will it be reformed? Will it be stopped in some way? And the fact is is this was very much Pete's project within State, within usaid, to carry this forward. And so there's a very natural moment of reflection right now upon hearing this news is, is this a way of unsticking what we've been told is happening? Is it just the removal or resignation of Pete or are we going to hear announcements coming down the pipe in the next week or two that actually this thing is staying online and this thing is being restructured and that's a natural part of the process. The point was never to kill any sort of US government funding for projects that kill or that support US interests abroad if they are genuine and true and accountable. I think a lot of the reason that USAID was shut down and moved into State as is the organizational plan is because USAID is, as I've said so many times, it's where dirty work is ultimately done. When it's too dirty, where dirty work.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is done, it's where the bodies are buried. We got a quick break coming up. We're on with Mike Benz. You are in the war room. Even though it may look as though I'm in Tim Pool's studio right now. We'll be right back with more War room. You went and lost your pride, but I'm American man. I got American power. I got American.

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All right, Jack Posobic back here, host, guest hosting for the great Stephen K. Bannon in the war room. And yes, we are in Tim Pool's studio. I want to also remind you, by the way, we'll be here. Tim. Tim will be on tonight. I'll be on with Tim. Steve will be back tomorrow. And then also, if you want to support Steve, this is what I always tell people, all right? When Steve went away, when he was taken away by Merrick Garland, people said, how can I support you? Can I write letters? Can I do this and that? Can we put stuff in your, you know, in your, in your, you know, your prison account? And he said, no, I don't want any of that. He said, what I want you to do is support the war room sponsors. So today's war room sponsor is home title lock. So go to hometitlelock.com and use promo code Steve, hometitlelock.com, promo code Steve. You can get 14 days free right now at hometitlelock.com and what do they do? Well, are you keeping an eye on your home's title? Do you go in day in and day out? I know we're in tax season right now. Tanya Tay does most of my tax. It's most of our taxes, I should say, not myself. But are you checking your home title? Because what these identity criminals will do is steal your home title, sign it over to themselves, and then start taking out loans in your name against your home. And guess who the bills come to? The bills come to you while they get to pocket, pocket all the money and your equity is gone like that. All the equity that you work so hard for in your home. Don't let it happen. Get the million dollar triple lock protection now from hometitle lock.com and use promo code Steve to support the war room. All right, I want to bring Mike Benz in here now because something that I'm seeing is as, as Trump is fighting the deep state, shutting down usaid, shutting down these horrible programs that have existed for a long time and clearly been used as a bait and switch type operations. What they do, this is what they do. That's what they always do that. We are also seeing elements of what USAID and other organizations have done overseas in terms of the color revolutions and these types of playbook operations being used against Trump right here. And so I started the show talking about the Maryland man hoax. And the Maryland man hoax is key. It hasn't completely metastasized yet. But you're starting to see the elements get into place where Democrat senators, high level senators like Chris Van Hollen are now getting involved, saying, I demand President Bukele, allow me an audience with the Maryland man. And the media is out there beating down the drums on the Maryland man. Except this individual isn't a Maryland man. He's not a US Citizen. He doesn't even have someone who has a right to be in this country. He's an illegal alien. But it doesn't matter because for purposes of the hoax, they're saying that Trump has illegally deported a US Citizen. Ben, do you think that the Maryland man hoax and perhaps other things that we've seen are elements of the Color Revolution playbook starting to get turned on here under Trump the way it was in the first administration?

[Mike Benz]

Yes. What's important with the Color Revolution playbook is it's not just for toppling a government and running the president, the democratically elected president, out of office, as we did in Ukraine in 2014, as we did in the Arab Spring, and as we did in dozens of countries around the world using this playbook. It's also for stopping the passage of laws in various countries. These same rental riots and mass free protests were rolled out in Georgia and in Serbia and in Slovakia to try to stop the passage of and in Hungary to try to stop the passage of a FARA type law just this past year in those countries that would be sort of a foreign agent registration act, where countries where NGOs or institutions in those countries that were supported by USAID would have to register with the government as a foreign agent, as we require here in the U.S. while all these USAID funded NGOs had their specimens taped to the streets to do these mass street protests, just like we're seeing against the US Government here and during Trump's first term in order to try to stop the shutdown of usaid. So just like USAID astroturfs protest movements to stop the passage of laws that impact USAID programming in foreign countries, we see literally the same thing happening here and on the front of the Maryland man in the MS.13 and related sort of gang violence and narco network thing. The thing that I find most troubling is that I believe very passionately that USAID plays a significant role in the drug trade. And that many of these narco networks, everywhere from Afghanistan to Pakistan to Mexico to Colombia to Peru and Ecuador and even in Brazil, are very much tied to a influence operation that has been going on for 70 years to work with narco networks around the world in order to move elections, in order to shift industry, and that there has been a campaign to stop people like Bukele in El Salvador from usaid. Bukele was one of the first people on X to announce him being overjoyed at his country no longer receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in USAID funding. Why is that? Because it was all funding the opposition and it was funding these astroturf protest movements. Why did USAID have problem with the shutdown of drug and cartel networks in El Salvador? Why did George Soros and his Open Society foundation make such a campaign out of the human rights issues in El Salvador and trying to destabilize the Bukele administration in El Salvador when the Open Society foundation is the kissing cousin of the U.S. embassy and of the U.S. aid in these regions? Why were they so on the ball about protecting the drug networks? When you have USAID funding the irrigation of poppy crops in Afghanistan, when you have the US Institute of Peace funding the Taliban and telling them point blank to keep the drugs flowing, you see the same thing with, in the 1950s to the 1970s, with the CIA funding the Narco networks as a bulwark against the Marxist left initially in the. During the Cold War, and now they're being repurposed against the populist right during the Trump era. And so what I suspect is happening, you see the same thing with Soros prosecutors who are decriminalizing drugs and are getting prosecutors to pledge not to indict people on drug crimes and getting the judges to not hand out prison sentences to the entire drug network. So from my perspective, USAID is at every point in the chamber of this, from actually funding the irrigation of the drug crops to funding and capacity building the drug networks that wholesale the drugs, to keeping the criminals who retail the drugs on our streets out of jail and out of the hands of prosecutors so that they can sell it to the American people. And so I think that this is part of a larger campaign to try to continue supporting the drug networks despite the Trump administration's aggressive attempt to label them terrorists and shut them down. Down.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wow. I mean, you lay it all out like that and then you look at a headline and people can understand, people can understand, I think, very clearly why it would Be that maga and the American people see a headline like they saw in the New York Post and the Wall Street Journal and it's out everywhere when the man that President Trump personally directed to shut down usaid, to shut down these networks, to stop these types of operations from going on, is abruptly no longer in his position with Pete Morocco not being there, all of a sudden you've got someone and you just mentioned that you had sat down with him and so he understands what's going on. Clearly what's going on and how this has been used as a slush fund for potentially all sorts of operations going on around the world. Now we ask. Wait, hold on. We thought we were shutting all of this down. We thought that we were gonna return America to an American government that was actually serving the people. And oh, by the way, even beyond that, from a fiscal perspective, shutting down the massive amounts flow that is going through these doors. And so suddenly people have a right to ask, and I think people should, by the way, start making some phone calls about this and saying, are we shutting down USAID or not? And you should contact your congressman, contact your senators right now and ask them, do you support the continuation of usaid? Do you support this to continue to be going. And call everyone, call everyone right now. You might be after a call of business, but call them up tomorrow, first thing in the morning tomorrow, or if you're, you know, depending on time, Z, you might have time. Give them a call and make your voices heard. They will listen. And they do listen because it's very simple. The American people, look, we love, look, we get it. We love what the administration has done, what the administration stands for. But we also wanna see the action. We wanna see the results. We wanna see everything that was said actually come to fruition. Because I don't wanna hear Mike Benz coming on War Room and saying that all this stuff is going on. I wanna hear Mike Benz coming on this show and saying that just. You know what, Jack? We.

[Mike Benz]

Well, from your bring your mouth to God's ears.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, we tried. We got a couple of minutes still until the break bends. When it, when it really comes down to it, how important is it? I mean, it sounds like this is one of the most important things is the shutdown of US Aid. In your mind, what you've identified as potentially the number one thing that the Trump administration can do to really take a shot at these networks. Networks.

[Mike Benz]

Well, it is if it's done correctly. Because it's the, you know, in the same way that there are Gateway drugs. And you know, one of the reasons that you don't have one bad friend in your network is because it opens you up to all the other bad friends that they have as well. USAID is a portal into the CIA. USAID is a portal into the malfeasance of the Pentagon. USAID is a portal into the NGOs and into the State Department. And so While it's a $44 billion slush fund, Donald Trump is now campaigning for a trillion dollar Pentagon budget. Well, if you understand the interstitial relationship, the connective tissue between the Pentagon and usaid, USAID really gives a roadmap for rogue activities by the Pentagon. If you remember, the Pentagon bragged. Pentagon officials, top brass bragged after Trump lost in 2020. Shortly after that, a whole raft of them came forward and bragged that they were constantly playing shell games with the numbers in Syria and Iraq in order to fool the President. And a lot of that is because this money moves through usaid. There was a whole coordinating branch for USAID and the Pentagon set up under the Hillary Clinton tenure at the State Department.

[Jack Posobiec]

And they held phone calls, by the way, every morning to discuss this at the highest level. Mike Benz, where can people file your brother?

[Mike Benz]

Follow me on X at Mike Ben Cyber.

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Jack Posobiec]

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[Charles Cornish Dale]

It's great to be with you, Jack, as always.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you and I have been talking about the rise of political violence, particularly from the left. I wrote a whole book about it last year called Unhumans the Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them, which is a war room book, by the way, co authored by Joshua Lysak, A Forward by Stephen K. Bannon. And yet I look, and it seems like every single day there's one or even more examples of leftist violence, one of which recently. Walk us through this a little bit. That actually even targeted a Democrat in Pennsylvania.

[Charles Cornish Dale]

Yeah. Well, over the weekend, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, he had a Passover dinner at his house, at the Governor's mansion, and then went to bed. And a radical leftist, a guy called Cody Balmer, who was arrested on, scaled over the fence and evaded state troopers and planted an incendiary device in the house, and it went off and caused a huge amount of damage. Really? Absolutely gutted the Governor's mansion. The governor and his family were evacuated. And a few hours later, this chap, Cody Barmer, was arrested. But what's interesting, of course, is yet again, this is a lone wolf, that this is an individual, a single radical leftist, who has decided to take matters into his own hands and cause a lot of damage, potentially, potentially kill someone, potentially kill multiple people. This is the Mangione model in action. And I've written about this, and I've spoken about this at some length because I think it's very important. It's clear that the left is totally, totally exhausted as a mass movement. There is no leftist mass movement at the moment. So what have you got? Well, what you've got is you've got basically what Luigi Mangione did. You've got individuals targeting important members of the regime for attacks, for assassinations. And this is likely to continue for a long time. I think. I think this is going to be the way that the left does, or the radical left in particular, does politics for the foreseeable future, simply because the organized apparatus of the Democrat Party has basically broken down. They're squabbling over the results of the 2024 election. They're squabbling over who is responsible. Is it Kamala Harris? Is it Barack Obama? What does James Carville think? The left is in disarray. And so in order to achieve any kind of satisfaction, and that's what these radical leftists want to do, they need some sense that they're actually doing something, that they're actually achieving something, then all that's left to them, actually, is to do these lone wolf attacks. And there have been a lot of them. I mean, people have forgotten probably about the attack On Scott Besant for example, which I think is actually extremely important. Somebody tried to assassinate Scott Besant within weeks or even days actually I think of his confirmation. This is the Treasury Secretary, a transgender man. I think his name was Ryan Michael English turned up at the Capitol with Molotov cocktails, with weapons, bombs, wanted to burn down the Heritage foundation because the Heritage foundation is responsible for Project 2025, which of become a leftist sort of. It's like the boogeyman really for the leftists, isn't it? Project 2025, this nefarious plan that Trump has to turn America into the Fourth Reich. And he also wanted to assassinate Scott Besant, the Treasury Secretary. And when he was apprehended, he had a manifesto type thing in his pocket and he said to police, I was inspired by Luigi Mangione. So we really need to be paying attention to, to Luigi Mangione and his influence because I think it's going to run through virtually everything that the radical left does in the coming weeks, months and even years.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, you know, I, I even had a friend who was just sort of driving through town around Washington D.C. area a couple of days ago and photographed a, a truck with a, a bumper sticker. Free Luigi, right? Free Luigi right there on the back of the bumper sticker. And this is a real movement. And then of course CNN was the deranged Taylor Lorenz, who by the way, I believe is old enough to be Luigi Maggione's mother. Maybe she can confirm that for us. And she was going on CNN last night, supposedly on the misinformation show with Donio Sullivan. And yet she was explaining that we just don't understand the support for Luigi Magione and we need to embrace the support of Luigi and Maggione and understand it better as a society rather than of course point out that it is a homicidal path pathology and stamp it out and arrest and incarcerate. You know, basically take the Bukele solution to all of these people and say you can stay there if you consider it, you know, maybe one day potentially we'll, we'll talk about you coming out. But it's not about, by the way, it's not about the amount of people we put in, it's about the amount of people we protect. And I love the way that Bukele put it that way. This is what allows for societies to function. This is what allows for families to flourish. Flourish. We shouldn't have to worry about the Luigis out there. I don't, I don't want Governor Shapiro's family to have to worry about these Cody Balmers down the street with their Molotov cocktails, or as an example, one you and I were talking about in the break a little bit, was this individual, Nikita Kassap, who, or by the way, Scott Besant or Nikita Kassap, a teenager from Wisconsin who apparently murdered his own mother and father. Father in some furtherance of a plot to kill Trump. I mean, this is the type of pathology we saw that led to not one, but two assassination attempts on President Trump during the campaign.

[Charles Cornish Dale]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. It's a pathology that's really spreading. But the Nikita Kassap story is interesting because it appears to be, or at least it's being portrayed as appears, plot against Donald Trump from the right. So this young chap, I think he was only 17 or he's only 17, murdered his mother and stepfather, stole some of their stuff or stole a, you know, valuable stuff and tried to sell it in order to buy equipment to attempt to assassinate Trump. So he was apparently in contact with an extreme right wing, sort of neo Nazi type group, I forget the name, name of it. And he wanted to buy explosives and he wanted to buy a drone. And he was planning on somehow attacking Donald Trump at a rally or at some kind of public event. He's only just been arrested. Well, he was arrested at the beginning of March, actually, and he's yet to be put on trial, and they're obviously going to throw the book at him. But it looks like an interesting complication, actually, of this general model of kind of lone wolf craziness, because like I say, it appears he is actually coming from the right rather than the left. It may very well be the case that actually the kind of Luigi Mangioni model of political extremism actually unites people on the left and even extreme people on the right. Who knows? Or alternatively, it could be the case that actually maybe there's more to this Nikita Kassap story than meets the eye and that perhaps maybe he was being manipulated by other people who, who knows?

[Jack Posobiec]

But interestingly enough, I've seen some analysis on the highly respected substack which states that part of the reason could even be generational in that with millennials, you saw more of an interest in mass movements. So the BLM rallies, which were, by the way, largely white, as well as the antifa movement, which of course, as we know, was completely, almost entirely white as well. And yet when it comes to Gen Z, Gen Z doesn't have that proclivity as much to want to join these mass movements. In fact, at the recent. These marches which were held against Trump a couple of weeks ago, there was a zoomer who went and was lamenting the fact on TikTok. They said, why is this march so old? Why are there so many old people here? You know, where's all the other Gen Zers? And the point of the analysis was that perhaps Gen Zers are more interested in going viral as an individual. And what, of course, would be the most heinous act to go viral as of, as an individual as well, would be committing an act of political extremism. And so perhaps, you know, there's even an angle of, you know, being too addicted to the algorithm or too addicted to the cult of self that plays a role for people who have truly grown up as digital natives.

[Charles Cornish Dale]

Yeah, I certainly. Yeah, I think there's definitely something to that. I certainly don't think that that should be underestimated as a factor. There is obviously a clear generational divide in politics more broadly, not just in terms of these extremists, but I think also just between zoomers and millennials, Gen Xers, et cetera. And that came out very clearly in the election. That was a boon for Donald Trump, actually, because he was able to connect using social media. With Barron's help, he was able to connect with the younger generation in a way that actually Kamala Harris wasn't. But clearly it cuts both ways. And it. So yes, potentially presage is a new. A new era of a kind of social media driven, perhaps an algorithm driven extremism and political violence. So, yes, I mean, it's definitely not something to be underestimated.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I found that to be very compelling. And it actually, it strikes you because a lot of these, as you notice, and people like Nikita Katsap, people like Maggioni himself, people like, no, not Ryan Wesley Routh would break that, but Thomas Matthew Crooks was. Of course, these are all either zoomers or young millennials, people who certainly grew up with a lot more social media than previous generations. And so just one minute till the break. But Dr. Charles Cornish Dale, where can people go and follow you? Tell people about where they can get access to your writings.

[Charles Cornish Dale]

Yeah, of course. So follow me on Twitter. I amabygravy9 on Twitter. On Twitter, I have a substack that's raw eggstack.com rawegnationalist.com as well, which is just kind of like a hub for all of my stuff. And then I have a man's magazine called Man's World, which isman's world mag dot online. We've got a new physical issue of the magazine coming out very, very soon. And I've also got a new book coming out actually via Passage Press that's called the Last Men, Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity. And that's a follow on from my role in the Tucker Carlson documentary the End of MED in 2022, which was about testosterone decline, the political implications of testosterone decline.

[Jack Posobiec]

I can't, I can't wait for that book, by the way. I certainly hope you'll be, you'll be writing and I'm sure you'll be discussing quite a bit about the New York Times piece on ADHD and the lies and scams of basically two decades of a social contagion that have now finally come screeching to a halt, I hope.

[Charles Cornish Dale]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It's a real, it's a watershed, I think actually. It's a turning point, really.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it is, absolutely. All right, Dr. Charles Cornishdale, folks, We'll be right back here on the War Room.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. All right, Jack Posobic, back in the war room. Final segment here. The War Room at Tim Cast, as you can see, Catch me on tim cast later tonight, 8pm on YouTube. And rumble. Another great Tim Cast affectionado and kind of a regular now is Natalie Winters, who now joins us. Natalie, what's going on? Hi.

[Natalie Winters]

Thank you so much for. I Guess filling in for both me and Steve. You're doing a wonderful job and very cool to be doing it from Tim cast.

[Jack Posobiec]

Very cool indeed. So you'll be doing the 6:00 show, right?

[Natalie Winters]

Yes, we have a packed show. We're going to be talking all things Mark Zuckerberg. I think what we saw go on today in the Oval Office about all things El Salvador, the meltdown over deporting criminal illegal aliens. I think the media needs to be deported. Kidding.

[Charles Cornish Dale]

No.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, no, wait. But Natalie, hold on. There's another option. There's another option because we've got the Bezos rocket now. So maybe we put, maybe we can put the media on the Bezos rocket and send them up to space and then Jeff, I'm just saying, man, one way trips are cheaper. It's all I'm saying.

[Natalie Winters]

You know, I agree with your take too, that Biden did it to the is wonderful, wonderful because we can use that with dhs. I think they could help with the deportations. I think this is all the convergence of ways to boost those mass deportation numbers which we need to do.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh my God. Well, that's why they're running, of course, Natalie. That's why they're running the Maryland man hoax. They keep running the Maryland man hoax and saying, oh, it's the Maryland man. The Maryland man. The Maryland man they say over and over and over. And it just doesn't work anymore because we have outlets and independent forums like the War Room, like X Now, like Telegram, everything else, Truth Social to go up and be able to say, no, this isn't a Maryland man. He is in fact an El Salvadoran national. He's a citizen of El Salvador. He has no legal right to be. You know who has a legal right to be in Maryland, by the way, is Rachel Morin, who was murdered by an illegal from El Salvador. Yeah, I don't remember any of the Maryland senators, Chris Van Hollen, you know, say, releasing statements about that one. Huh.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, if I may add too, we knew from the get go that they were going to be doing their typical fear porn, really tug at the heartstrings with anything related to the mass deportation agenda. And I think that really the fact that the only scalp that they would try to go after has been the Maryland man. Right. That's the terminology. I guess they ditched constitutional crisis in favor of that term. But also the, of course, the famous, the infamous makeup artist. That was another sad tale too. But I actually think it shows you how successful and actually dialed in the Trump team has been on their mass deportation agenda. Because if that's the best that they can do a gotcha moment on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Natalie Winters]

With someone who actually is A of Ms. 13. And the best spin is they can say, oh, well, he was a father too. It actually shows you how I think well executed. A lot of this mass deportation agenda is going. That being said, they need to get the numbers up, but I do think that they are firing at a pretty high rate. And look, we wouldn't have to flood the zone with all these deportations if they hadn't flooded the country with illegal aliens. So maybe they should be starting with that.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's exactly right. By the way, I'm sent a tweet here from Greg Price, the great Greg Price, who dug up and said that when Rachel Morin, an actual Maryland mother, was killed by an illegal gang member, the only thing that Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen did was give a statement to a news outlet. My heart breaks for the Morin family. That's it. But now when it's. When it's an illegal criminal, oh, suddenly I'm going to fly down to El Salvador and I demand to see someone. I demand. She's not even.

[Mike Benz]

It's.

[Jack Posobiec]

I almost can't even get it out, Natalie. I almost can't even get it out because the thing things I say would be my last. It would be my last words. On War Room.

[Natalie Winters]

We were told that we have to accept a handful of apartment complexes being overrun by illegal aliens. We were told we have to accept by Martha Raddatz and the media elite, a handful of illegal aliens committing crimes. So maybe they need to accept a handful of. Yeah, maybe a little gray area on the paperwork in terms of what flight they were supposed to be on. But maybe that's the MAGA equivalent. You guys can accept a handful of people, wasn't it? But you know what? Good luck winning the midterms if you think that saying, well, illegal aliens, they're actually not criminals. It was a civil offense and not a criminal offense. That's a really resounding talking point that I'm sure is going to cut very well in campaign ads.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, please, please stop. And then they go off. Yeah, the Venezuelan hairdresser. I'm like, have you never heard of an MS.13 front before? How do you think they launder the money? Cash businesses. Chinese, like, watch an episode of Breaking Bad. Right? That's literally how it works. They use fronts for the businesses. It's. It's such a joke. Natalie, we are excited you'll be up right after us, 6:00.

[Natalie Winters]

Yes. And good luck tonight.

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[F]

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