Episode 4415: The Supreme Court Creates Constitutional Crisis, MTG Rally

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room Episode 4415: The Supreme Court Creates Constitutional Crisis, MTG Rally
Release Date: April 15, 2025

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1. Introduction and Opening Remarks

Stephen K. Bannon kicks off the episode with a lively introduction, signaling a shift towards critical current events. He announces plans to discuss an upcoming event in Georgia featuring Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG) and her representative, Brian Glenn, hinting at a potentially intense town hall meeting.

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2. China’s Halt on Boeing Aircraft Deliveries and Tariff Implications

Brian Glenn presents breaking news from China, reporting that Chinese airlines have been instructed to stop receiving new Boeing aircraft and parts. Although unconfirmed by the Chinese government, Glenn emphasizes the significant backlog and potential ripple effects due to ongoing tariff wars.

Brian Glenn [00:17]: "There could be large ripple effects for Boeing and Airbus as the tariff war heats up."

Stephen K. Bannon interjects, questioning the administration's inaction regarding these issues.

Stephen K. Bannon [01:36]: "What does that say about where we're going to be?"

Margo Cleveland delves deeper, criticizing President Trump for failing to deliver economic success necessary to maintain party unity in Congress. She argues that Trump's ambitious bid for executive power is leading to economic instability, predicting imminent layoffs and rising unemployment.

Margo Cleveland [01:45]: "Donald Trump is not doing that. He's wreaking havoc on the economy from the beginning."

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3. Supreme Court’s Role in Creating a Constitutional Crisis

The discussion shifts to the judiciary's influence on the current political landscape. Margo Cleveland asserts that recent Supreme Court decisions are undermining the Constitution by allowing an authoritarian shift. She emphasizes the need for Congress to hold together by ensuring economic success to counterbalance executive overreach.

Margo Cleveland [03:16]: "Trump has not held up his end of the bargain. His administration is wreaking havoc."

Stephen K. Bannon echoes this sentiment, highlighting the dangers of an emboldened administration disregarding judicial rulings.

Stephen K. Bannon [03:19]: "It's going to be a constitutional nightmare."

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4. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Town Hall in Georgia

Marjorie Taylor Greene joins the discussion live from Acworth, Georgia, where she prepares for her town hall. She details the stringent security measures in place to prevent disruptions from protesters, showcasing her determination to engage with her constituents despite anticipated opposition.

Marjorie Taylor Greene [04:57]: "We're expecting about 300 to 350 people inside... we've got extensive security measures."

Stephen K. Bannon praises MTG’s resilience, anticipating a robust and organized event.

Stephen K. Bannon [19:05]: "MTG has a spine of steel. She's going to step into the arena."

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5. Legal Battle Over Deportation and Supreme Court Decisions

Natalie Winters discusses the contentious Supreme Court ruling involving Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man wrongfully sent to an El Salvadoran prison. The unanimous 9-0 decision mandating his return has sparked a constitutional debate. Winters criticizes the administration's refusal to comply fully with the ruling, labeling it a legal and moral disaster.

Unknown Speaker [21:07]: "It's a constitutional nightmare... Cheryl Ifill is sounding the alarm."

Margo Cleveland further critiques the Supreme Court's handling of the case, arguing that the court's vague directives are exacerbating the constitutional crisis by failing to firmly uphold executive authority.

Margo Cleveland [26:01]: "The courts are being too mealy mouthed. They are not saying what the Constitution says."

Stephen K. Bannon reinforces the urgency to address these legal oversteps, urging conservative media and listeners to challenge misinformation and support judicial clarity.

Stephen K. Bannon [33:56]: "We need to find cases where it's clear that they are blatantly false and show it in black and white."

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6. Influence of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and Economic Warfare

Natalie Winters provides an in-depth analysis of the CCP’s multifaceted strategy to undermine the United States through economic, informational, and cultural warfare. She highlights how President Trump’s administration has effectively countered these tactics, unlike the previous administration.

Natalie Winters [46:32]: "President Trump understands the United Front work department, the political warfare, what really undergirds what they have done to this country."

Winters criticizes the media’s lack of coverage on CCP’s aggressive maneuvers, emphasizing the necessity of recognizing and combating these covert operations to protect national sovereignty.

Natalie Winters [48:15]: "China is waging economic warfare, information warfare, lawfare... we are at war with China."

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7. Capital Markets and Technology Trade Restrictions

Stephen K. Bannon reports on significant disruptions in capital markets, notably citing Nvidia’s ban from selling H2O chips to China. This move, resulting in a 5% stock drop, is portrayed as a strategic strike against CCP's technological advancements.

Stephen K. Bannon [43:40]: "Nvidia is not able to sell the H20 chips to China for the indefinite future. Stock is down over 5%."

Natalie Winters commends the Trump administration for taking bold actions against China's economic aggression, likening it to the decisive measures taken during critical historical moments.

Natalie Winters [47:53]: "We were living on borrowed time, but now we are at war with China."

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8. Final Discussions and Future Outlook

As the episode progresses, Stephen K. Bannon and his guests discuss the ongoing constitutional crisis and the need for proactive measures against judicial overreach. They stress the importance of maintaining sturdy conservative media presence to counteract misinformation and uphold constitutional principles.

Stephen K. Bannon [40:27]: "This is information warfare. Do you think conservative media is doing a good job covering these?"

Margo Cleveland expresses hope that the Supreme Court will eventually take a firmer stance to prevent lower courts from exceeding their authority, thereby averting a deeper constitutional crisis.

Margo Cleveland [40:43]: "They're going to rule in the right way when they finally have no option."

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9. Closing Remarks

The episode concludes with Stephen K. Bannon highlighting upcoming segments, including live coverage of MTG’s town hall and discussions with other political figures. He reiterates the importance of staying informed and vigilant against constitutional and economic threats.

Stephen K. Bannon [42:44]: "Margo Cleveland from the Federalist lays it out... We're going live to MTG's town hall in Georgia."

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Key Takeaways

• Judicial Overreach: The Supreme Court's ambiguous rulings are contributing to a constitutional crisis by failing to clearly uphold executive authority, particularly in cases involving deportation and international relations.

• Economic Warfare with China: The Trump administration continues to counteract the CCP’s strategies through targeted economic restrictions, exemplified by the ban on Nvidia's chip sales to China.

• Political Resilience: Marjorie Taylor Greene exemplifies steadfast political action amidst protests, demonstrating the strength and organization within conservative circles.

• Media’s Role: There is a critical need for conservative media to effectively counteract misinformation and provide clear, fact-based reporting on these pivotal issues.

• National Security: Ongoing threats from foreign powers like the CCP necessitate proactive and informed responses to safeguard national interests.

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Notable Quotes

• Margo Cleveland [01:45]: "Donald Trump is not doing that. He's wreaking havoc on the economy from the beginning."

• Stephen K. Bannon [03:19]: "It's going to be a constitutional nightmare."

• Marjorie Taylor Greene [04:57]: "We're expecting about 300 to 350 people inside... we've got extensive security measures."

• Natalie Winters [46:32]: "President Trump understands the United Front work department, the political warfare, what really undergirds what they have done to this country."

• Stephen K. Bannon [43:40]: "Nvidia is not able to sell the H20 chips to China for the indefinite future. Stock is down over 5%."

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This episode of Bannon's War Room provides a comprehensive overview of the intersecting issues of judicial influence, economic warfare with China, and the resilience of conservative politics amidst growing challenges. Through expert analysis and live reports, listeners gain insight into the strategies being employed to navigate and combat these multifaceted threats.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The great Eric Bolling. Tonight, we're starting with a cold open. We're going to Georgia. We're going to Georgia. We're going to talk to our own Brian Glenn. Is there about a, I don't know, pretty wild town hall maybe on the horizon at 6 o'clock? Let's get the cold open and get rolling here in the war room.

[Brian Glenn]

Let's give you the headlines of the news coming out of China. There's a report that China has told its airlines to halt deliveries of new Boeing aircraft as well as parts. Now this is one report. It is not been confirmed by the state government, at least not in a statement yet, just for some context. China has taken delivery of 18 Boeing aircraft this year, 18 new aircraft. But the order backlog is immense out of China. And when you look at it, they've got 128 named orders, hundreds more that are in the queue but have not been named to specific Chinese airlines. They there's also report with regard to tariffs that is going to catch a lot of attention. Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary, a friend of the Squawk Box crew, he told the FT today that there is every likelihood they may delay Boeing aircraft deliveries due to tariffs. And this is what we've heard more chatter about within the last week, guys, that airlines are going to say, wait a second, I got to pay a tariff on this aircraft. Maybe I don't need it right now. You hold onto it. Now this is just the comments of Michael O'Leary, but this has been percolating under the surface a little bit within the airline industry that as this tariff war heats up, the implications for Boeing, for Airbus, it could be there could be large ripple effects.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Movable.

[Natalie Winters]

This administration is just saying, sorry, we just can't do anything about it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What does that say about where we're going to be?

[Margo Cleveland]

Where we're going to be? This is where this segment and the segment you just completed intersect. If you're going to move the United States, the united with all of its institutions, toward a more authoritarian form of government where the president ignores the courts rules by decree, you need to hold your party in Congress together because Congress becomes the way of protecting you from what the courts can do, which is issue summonses for contempt, civil or criminal, if you want to hold your party in Congress together, you'd better deliver relative economic success. So they're not all sweating that they're about to lose 40 seats in the next midterms and face a defeat so big that even gerrymandering and friendly Judges in places like North Carolina and Wisconsin can't help them. But Donald Trump is not doing that. He's not holding up his end of the bargain. In his first term, Trump mostly avoided doing anything too stupid with the economy until the second half of 2018 when he started doing tariffs. They were pretty small compared to those he's just instituted in this administration. He's begun wreaking havoc on the economy from the beginning. It's. We've had financial panic so far. It's not showing up in the real economy, mostly because people in business have warehoused large amounts of inventory. So we're not going to start running out of tube socks just yet. But by mid summer, the real economy is going to be failing it. You are going to see layoffs, you're going to see rising unemployment and you're going to see Republicans in Congress sweat. So Trump has not, as usual, thought this through. He's made a very ambitious bid for executive power, ignoring the courts while his economy is about to fall apart underneath.

[Unknown Speaker]

Let me.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Natalie Winters]

And where do people like that go.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To share the big lie?

[Natalie Winters]

MAGA media.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Margo Cleveland]

War room.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's Tuesday the 15th of April, year of our Lord 2025. President Trump and the losing of Congress. This is their new. You know, they've done the, they've done the financial panic. Nothing's happening there. They did the signal chat. Nothing's there now. They're in the constitutional crisis with the courts. We're gonna have Margo Cleveland on from the Federal Federal Federalist in a few minutes. I want to go to Brian Glenn about losing Congress. Brian, where are you? I notice you're not the White House this afternoon. Where are you, sir?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Not today. I am in Ackworth, Georgia. That is up in the 14th district. Congressional district here in Georgia.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Green got Brian Glenn. Let's try to get it rebooted. Do I have. Oh, Brian, you got us now, sir.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Yep. Do you hear me? Yeah, I've got you loud and clear.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, you're coming through very choppy. Brian, you want to try that again? Where are you this afternoon? You're not at the White House.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Georgia Green having a.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We're going to reboot. Hey, Brian, we're going to reboot you to make sure that we get to get it across better because it's coming in too choppy. This is too important. Brian Glenn is down with mtg. They're going to have a town hall. MTG is not backing off. You know, the RNC and other people saying don't have town halls. Don't have town halls. There's a big protest down there. Mtg, she's got a spine of steel. She's going to go into it tonight with her constituents and take on all comers. So we're going to get back to Brian when we get a better hookup. We're also going to have MTG live a little later in the show. Let's go to. We have Natalie Winters. Let's go to Natalie. Natalie, you've got some breaking news out of the White House. Of course, everybody skirts clean here about attacking President Trump. And you know, we started, we had the or, Eric Bolling had the big sob story coming out of Maryland. You know, Marilyn, man, all the politicians going to fly down to El Salvador to go to prison to bring the gang member home that President Trump rightfully sent to a prison in Central America. You've got a breaking story on some of your analysis on one of these judges. What do you got for us, ma'am, of people trying to block President Trump?

[Natalie Winters]

Well, may I just say, Steve, that I wish Republicans in Congress would be the MAGA fire breathers that all of the MSNBC hosts talk them up to be. Maybe they should use that as some inspiration. I think this country would be in a much better place. The so called authoritarian takeover that President Trump is trying to roll out over a bunch of weak, spineless Republicans. I think it would be in a much better place. I would just point you to the $37 trillion deficit. But all of that aside, although I guess it's maybe all interlinked because I guess the best that Congress can do when it comes to holding these rogue judges accountable is have some subcommittee level hearing that does absolutely nothing though I think they canceled it. We have another judge, the judge who's now responsible for blocking what would be the removal of over 500,000 people here. CHNV parole program. This is a Boston district judge, an Obama appointee of course, Indira Talwani. But what is, you can probably guess, so interesting about her. She has volunteered on several Democratic campaigns. This is of course, exclusive reporting for you guys here in the war room, including, but not limited to knocking doors, holding signs and phone banking on behalf of people like President Barack Obama and Elizabeth Warren. But even More concerning, in 2012, she received an award from the Chinese Progressive Association. The audience made be semi familiar with this group because they've funded Black Lives Matter, but they've actually have deep, deep ties to the Chinese Communist Party, particularly in their founding. They were founded by a group of pro Mao Marxist militants and there's really been a through line. They continually praise not just the Chinese Communist Party and in turn get glowing coverage from Chinese state run media outlets. But their founders have praised essentially the Cultural Revolution. And just to add yet another conflict of interest to this, like I said, judge who is trying to advocate to keep hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens in this country, her brother has repeatedly been involved with and held events, headlined events with the ACLU out in Montana. But you have to remember the ACLU is really the railhead of a lot of this pro open border stuff, particularly when it comes to the lawfare against President Trump and even some of these parole programs. So this is yet again the latest example of a radical rogue judge who is stepping in the way, trying to stop President Trump from deporting. I was about to say criminal gang members. That's a whole other vertical, but in this case probably just criminals and maybe some gang members.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You know, I can tell from the, there was a smattering, the same type of kind of hapless protest there were at in when I spoke out in Colorado. You know, you have these Democratic socialists and some of these other people. It's, it's the First Amendment. Right, that's fine. It's a little bit pathetic if that's all they can gin up. I have noticed though a shift and this is not about the deportation of the, of the, the criminal element, but already, and I don't think, you know, I don't see we're going gangbusters on deporting, on mass deportations of which we're a strong advocate for here in the war room. But I notice on the left they're starting to pick this up. There's tons of footage on the Rachel Maddow, all these protests are going around. They're talking about, oh, we're trying to get ahead of, we're here for mass deportations. Specifically, what was it that the Trump administration was trying to do of these four or five hundred thousand people that the judge specifically blocked? What was the Article 2 action that the President took as chief executive officer, as commander in chief in the armed forces, and as the chief law enforcement officer? What was he trying to do that was blocked?

[Natalie Winters]

Well, I think that's sort of what the crux of this is, right? If Joe Biden was allowed to, with the stroke of a pen, allow these people to grant humanitarian parole, become more or less sort of de facto citizens, President Trump is not being gifted that same. Right? You don't even have to go full blown unitary executive theory, I think, to believe that you should have, shall we say, reciprocity and equality in terms of what presidents can do. But I think that you're very right that this is the issue that the kind of left wing shock troops have honed in on. But I do think that there is a very interesting distinction because now you're hearing the term concentration camp come up a lot. They're starting to really go full blown snowballs fully down the hill in terms of smearing what they're doing in El Salvador as really brutally repressive and the UN Geneva Convention idea of whatever, human rights, maybe. But remember what they did the first term, they were much more focused and honed in on divesting from ice, divesting from companies that were working with ice. They were really trying to use the sort of, you know, corporate blackmail structures, right? Sort of delinking, whether it was federal contracts or just opposing these companies that were collaborating with what they viewed as sort of enablers of President Trump's first term agenda in terms of the deportation or curtailing immigration numbers. And I think it's just quite interesting that we really have yet to see that whole effort spring up. I'm not saying we won't. I think inevitably we will. But it seems like right now they're sort of just assembling. And I think that on the ground protests, or at least that's what all the dark money is propping up. But I think the important thing too, to stress, and I think like you said, the deportation numbers need to be higher. They need to be a lot higher at that, is that I think we also need to see criminal prosecutions, if not just investigations into the elite's who rolled out the red carpet for these people, right? It's not just retribution to go after the people from Mexico or Honduras or any of the parole countries, right? Cuba, Haiti, whatever. You have to go after the NGOs, the politicians, the Democrat operatives, even the foreign money, who allowed these people, and not just allowed, but flew them to the fricking southern border to allow these people into the country. And I think that is what is missing from the current kind of effort to go after this, because make no mistake, if you don't go after those people, they will come back with a vengeance, right, whenever they regain power, and they will flood this country. 10 million will look like child's play. They'll do 10 million a year. So I don't understand why we have not seen investigations, or at least, like you say, just one name, one name from somebody who has committed the worst acts, not just criminality, but outright treason on the southern border. And I think that focusing on that, I would like to see those protesters try to cover for those people. I think that you can have a more sympathetic appeal when you're talking about some Maryland man, which we know is not a Maryland man, but going after these NGOs, I think is the right thing to do, and I don't know why they haven't done it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Natalie, I'm going to ask you to hang on. We're going to come back when we go to Margot, Cleveland, the constitutional crisis. I want to bring you back after that. I want to drill down on this, because I'm seeing this theme across many areas of the Justice Department, FBI, people we support. But, you know, the mass deportations have not started, and I think people are starting to ask questions, this whole thing about the NGOs, and we see how powerful this is. The other day, the Catholic bishops, who have been doing this for over 50 years, announced they were dropping the whole program. Why? Because the first federal government finally cut off the money to the NGO, to Catholic Charities. You have to go after these NGOs now. You have to basically break this apart. You have to start investigations. The reason is you have to assume, for planning purposes and for sense of urgency, you're not going to be here forever. We intend to be here forever, but you can't act like that. This is the FBI, the doj, dhs. I mean, we got to get on with it. And this issue about the NGOs, where we actually go, where we're focused on our time, is of utmost importance. We're gonna take a short commercial break. Make sure you want to take your phone out. Text Bannon at 989-898. You get the birch Gold Ultimate Guide for Investing in Gold and Precious Metals in the Era of Trump. Do it today. Connect with Philip Patrick and the team at Birch. Commercial break.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Okay, I'm out in front of the Acworth kind of A convention center they have in this town. It's up in the 14th district in Georgia. It's on the. Probably one of the newest areas that have been redistricting. So this is kind of a newer MTG area. But starting at 6 o'clock, she's going to hold a town hall. So it's only allowed, unlike some of the other town halls you might have seen held by Republicans. They have not had proof that you actually live in this district. So she's only letting people in. Show your id, prove that you live in this district. You get to go inside. They expect about 300 to 350 people inside this area. Now, there is some protesters and I'll, I'll post up the video. They're just across the street with their little chants. And we expect, we expected that they expect over about 400, Steve, protesters that are organized to come out here and, and make their voices be heard. And of course, Marjorie expects a few to sneak inside and perhaps they want to make their voice be heard as well. But we've got probably dozens and dozens of local state police here. We've got a drone flying ahead. I've seen bomb sniffing dogs around here. We even got helicopters. So we got air support, ground support, dog support to keep this area safe. But there will be some protesters and I see them, but we'll see if they just stay outside. They don't get inside the convention center here.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Their First Amendment rights. It's a sad group. We saw, I've seen the last couple of speeches. It's quite sad. But hey, it's a first Amendment, a free country. Let's hear what you got to say. MTG can give as good as she gets. So I anticipate might be a little fireworks at the, at the, at the town hall. But she's brave enough. That's why I think people love her, because she's brave enough to step into the arena.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Brian GLENN yeah, she's not afraid to confront them. And if they want to have a conversation at this town hall, she's more than likely she wants to do that. But if they show disrespect or they start to shout and scream, be disruptive, I can promise you they'll get a first class escort outside this building and be sent right home. But she does encourage feedback and she is taking questions from the crowd. They've got a system to do that, to make it orderly. You know, she's not afraid to do that. But we've seen other Republicans get their town halls basically shut down. And I really Think Steve, because a lot of these Republicans don't have the support in their district so that when disruptors Democrats go to these town halls they're able to take them over. I don't think that's going to happen here tonight. We just the doors open a few.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Minutes ago and I've seen them. Yeah look some of these other the ones mtg's in this fight and she's been in this fight and she's a little bit of a street fighter so she's and she's quite savvy. This is not her first rodeo. She's been in this and she been so she knows when you have to plan these things you want to hear from your constituents. She's what I love about her. She's not shying away from a town hall. She's going to do it in an organized manner so she gets feedback. Not going to let turn into a circus. That's cause she's smart and she's tough. Brian, we'll come back to you maybe mtg hopefully before. If not we'll see you back here at 6:00 to set the table for us.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Yes sir, will do.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you. Brian Glenn. Brian Glenn normally draws White House duty. He's at the town hall day which I think will be pretty electric. Let's go. We got a call open for our next guest. Let's go ahead and play it.

[Unknown Speaker]

So he wants to send American citizens to foreign prisons where US Legal protections don't apply at all, where people can be held for the rest of their lives without ever having a day in court or any sort of process. He says Attorney General Pam Bondi is quote, studying the laws right now to see if he really could do it because he loved to do. Was only last week on Thursday when the Supreme Court ruled unanimously, 9 to 0 in favor of a man named Kilmar Abrego Garcia. He's a legal resident, he's a Maryland father. The Trump administration admits they sent him to that prison in El Salvador by mistake. The Supreme Court effectively ordered the Trump administration to facilitate this man's return to the US from that El Salvadoran prison without explicitly defining what that would look like. The Trump administration has insisted that they can't return him and they don't intend to. They said that the man's fate is up to the president of El Salvador. For some reason today in the Oval Office, it was a reporter who finally asked El Salvador's president if he would please return this man to the United States. The El Salvadoran president called the question, quote, preposterous. Of course he wouldn't. So we have here a constitutional nightmare, a legal nightmare, obviously a moral nightmare. Cheryl Ifill is the former president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund. She has been sounding the alarm about this. She has argued that Trump will start testing constitutional limits by trying to deport US Citizens from American prisons to places like El Salvador, and that Americans, in order to stop that slippery slope where it is, must take on the challenge of caring about and standing up for U.S. prisoners. Quote, Many of us have been working on how to legally head off this nightmare. But public outcry and support will be essential. Are you ready to march for the most despised members of our society? Will you call your representatives about those who are imprisoned? If you can't feel for them or their families, remember that this is just a stage in a plan that will land ultimately at our own doorsteps. Every one of us deemed inconvenient by this administration will be under threat. And every time Trump is successful, he grows more emboldened and more convinced that nothing can stop him.

The notion that the Republican Party is.

Going to say a Supreme Court ruling.

Especially a unanimous one, is optional, is both unsustainable and ludicrous on its face.

Even to the Trump voter.

I agree. But I think that you are going to see an increasing attack on the Supreme Court because of these rulings. Absolutely. I mean, the issue is going to be sort of the conversation between us, the sort of political reality of whether it drives poll numbers down and the populace says that's absurd. But I think the Supreme Court is going to be in for the same kind of attack that we saw on the lower courts, that we see on the media, that we see on anyone who stands up to Donald Trump. I mean, it's completely baseless, but you're going to see sort of Donald Trump looking over to Bibi Netanyahu, who has had his own attacks on the Supreme Court in Israel, thinking, oh, that's what we should do. We should. Which we should narrow its jurisdiction. We should think about packing the court. We should talk about impeaching judges, which is. He's already talked about. I mean, that's another way of undermining the rule of law. But one of the ways is what we saw in the Oval Office was a. I mean, let's just get real about what happened. That is a thumbing of the nose at the Supreme Court ruling to say you are ordered to facilitate the return of somebody. And do you know what was not addressed at all in the Oval Office. And has not been addressed in court in the district court. Has the administration even asked the president of El Salvador, who is in the Oval Office to return him? The El Salvador president said, you know what? I can't do this unilaterally. I can't smuggle him in. That is true. He's sitting there saying, I can't unilaterally do this. You do not have this country even asking, how is that in any way complying with a Supreme Court decision that says you have to facilitate his return? I mean, it's as simple as that. That one question has not been asked.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, Margo Cleveland joins us from the Federalist. You wrote an article that you said that the Supreme Court's weak and timid decisions are driving us to a constitutional crisis. You saw it right there. Weissman's essentially accusing not just the show, but yourself of being one of the. We're being some of the instigators in back of President Trump. Your comments and observations, ma'am.

[Unknown Speaker]

There were so many things in those clips that were blatantly factually false that I can't remember them all. He wasn't. Garcia was not a legal resident. The Supreme Court did not order him to be return to the United States that they did not order him to facilitate the return of Garcia. They ordered him. Excuse me. They also did not rule against Trump. They actually ruled for Trump by saying, look, that order that said you had to facilitate and basically obtain his return or his was beyond the authority. And we are going to cut out that time frame and we're going to send it back. For clarity, the only thing the court did is it said, we want you, judge, to clarify your directive. And the judge hasn't clarified her directive. The court also did not say you have to facilitate the return. The court said it was appropriate to order Trump to facilitate the release from prison. The entire order of the Supreme Court was cagey. It was giving half directives, half recommendations. So much so that you have all of those people on the left going on air saying blatantly false things about what the court ordered.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Unknown Speaker]

Of president Bukele and I look forward to meeting with them. I've requested to meet with them. I reached out to the ambassador here to ask to meet while he's here. But I've also made clear if we can't meet here, I do intend to go to El Salvador to discuss the release of this individual who is illegally detained. A Maryland man who's the father of three in a notorious prison in El Salvador. And I believe the president of El Salvador will recognize why it's important to allow him to return to the United States of America. Because it is, it is absolutely unjust and illegal to have this Marylander detained one more day in a notorious prison in El Salvador. Of course, president Trump could have just said bring him home. Of course he could have done that. But this is an administration that has lied about Mr. Abrego Garcia. Right. The vice president, United States tweeted out that he had a criminal record.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That was a lie.

[Unknown Speaker]

They're just lying. They've gotten caught lying. They don't want to admit it and they have an obligation to bring him home. But I will say the president of El Salvador should not now take it upon himself to say that he is detaining him for one more day because that is kidnapping. I understand that. The attorney general said that we would provide a plane to Bring him home. So all the president of El Salvador has to do now is hand over and release an innocent man and let him come home to his family.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay. Margo Cleveland joins us. She wrote this amazing piece at the Federalist how we hurtling towards a constitutional crisis. But it's because, let's be blunt, the wimpy nature of the opinions of the Supreme Court in their action. So, Margo there, it's not a member of the media, it's not Weissman or Rachel Maddow, that's a United States senator from the state of Maryland. What do you have to say to him, ma'am?

[Unknown Speaker]

So what he's actually talking about is something he could do that Trump could do. But the difference is we have a judge, a district judge, saying, you must do this. And that's where the constitutional crisis is. Yeah. Trump very well could say to the president of El Salvador, look, let you know, release him. We'll bring him back, and we will then deport to a third country, which is exactly what should happen from a political, a practical standpoint. But once a federal judge got involved and ordered Trump to facilitate the release from prison, which involves ordering the president to engage in that conversation with a foreign official, that's where Trump had to put his foot down. So I actually don't disagree with everything that that politician said. I agree that the president of El Salvador could do that, that we would fly him back, but he was not an innocent individual. He did commit a crime illegally entering the United States. He maybe wasn't convicted of it, but he was not a legal resident. And he will be removed once that happens. But the constitutional crisis is again, the courts telling the President of the United States, you have to ask. Maybe you have to ask pretty please, sugar on top, maybe just do this for me. That is none of the court's business. And Trump should be putting his foot down on this.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So talk to me about this. You make an argument in this article, and Grace and Mo, let's make sure we get it up into the chat rooms. If Carly Bonet would also put it out, we'd appreciate that. And Elizabeth, I want as many people to read this as possible. It comes strongly recommended by Mike Davis, the Viceroy. Margo, you make a deeper case here. You say we actually are hurtling to a constitutional crisis because the court is what? They're not making strong opinions. They're making the wrong opinions. They're being too wimpy. I mean, what are you recommending they do that?

[Unknown Speaker]

They say what the Constitution says, which is Article two is within president's Trump authority. Instead of sending this case back and telling the judge, you need to clarify your directive giving due respect to the president and his foreign affairs, they should have sent it back and said, no, you cannot order the president to engage in any type of diplomatic relations with El Salvador, period. Instead, the way they sent it back, I think I read it 10 times and it took me 10 times to figure out what they actually said and didn't say. But you know what the district judge said? The district judge said, the Supreme Court affirmed my decision. It did not affirm her decision. They are being mealy mouthed. They are not saying what the Constitution says. And they're saying, clarify what you mean. The Supreme Court is acting like Article 2 and Article 3 respect each other. And they don't. And they don't. Because Article two, the president has been making presidential decisions within his authority. And you have judges who have been appointed by Obama and Biden who are going way beyond their authority. And every single case that has made it to the Supreme Court in two and a half months, the Supreme Court has put the brakes on the lower court. They haven't outrightly said, we're reversing, but they have done something that gave Trump a win. And the problem is that is only allowing these lower courts to think they can still continue this and get away with this. And we're going to see that in this case, the judge is going to order the Trump administration to do certain things and to disclose certain information. She had a hearing today and from people who were there, the conversation was, we're going to depose you and we're going to find out what you asked the El Salvadoran president. That's none of her business. That is not the course business. It's not Article 3's business. Trump is going to have to refuse to answer that and go through the appellate process. She's on the cusp of ordering him to show cause why he should not be in contempt. Why? Because the Supreme Court of the United States refused to say, no, you can't do this. Instead they said, well, it was a little bit unclear and you really should be cautious. That doesn't work anymore. These judges are activist judges and they are going to go way beyond their authority and they're going to push us to the part where you have Article 2 having to say, no, I am not going to ask them to release this prisoner, period. You can't tell me to, and I'm not going to. And that is going to have to get up to the supreme court. And if they don't come down and say point blank, you can't do that, that's going to be our constitutional crisis. Because they think it's prudent to let it play out. It isn't. It is not prudent. It is making half of America disrespect the court and the other half disrespect the president because they don't understand the separations of power.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Or maybe they do understand. I mean, the left is cheering this on. Would I be out of line and saying. Because you see it every night. I mean, MSNBC spends at least 50% of their primetime hours on lawsuits, you know, in front of federal judges who are giving TROs or injunctions for the whole nation. And the rest about these issues that are going to the Supreme Court, I mean, they're egging this on. Like you said, the beginning of your segment, all the facts that they repeat like a mantra over and over and over again about this case absolutely happen to be dead wrong. They know what they're doing. This is information warfare. Do you think conservative media is doing a good War room included is doing a good enough job of covering these?

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, you know, frankly, it's hard because there are so many of these cases. There's over 100 cases. And on my Twitter account, I try to keep a constant update of what the cases are and what's happening in them, but it is impossible to track that many cases. And it's legal stuff. And because I am a lawyer, I am able to quickly read and process them and catch kind of these key distinctions in the cases. So like I said, all of those Supreme Court cases, they actually were ruling for Trump. They were just doing it in kind of backhanded, tricky ways so that they didn't have to say, trump wins. You guys are doing it the wrong way. So I don't know that there's a possibility of even doing it right, because there's too much. It's too detailed, it's too complex. And the best we can do is when there's a clear case like this is to push back and say, no, you're lying about what's going on in Garcia. If you just pull up the Supreme Court order. What White Andrew Weissman said was that they ordered him to be facilitated to return to the US it's not in there. It's nowhere in there. The only thing it says is the order was right about facilitating his release from prison. But even that was based on the presumption that Garcia is being held because we're paying for it and we asked them to hold him. And I think that's absolutely wrong. Garcia is El Salvadorian. Why would we pay for El Salvador to hold their own prisoners? The reason we were paying El Salvador was because of all of the Venezuelan gang members that we couldn't ship back to Venezuela. So I think even the Supreme Court was based on the record that made it look like we had something to do with him being in that prison. And I don't think that's the case. So I guess that was a long way to get to. It's too complex for everyone to push back on. We, we've got to find the cases where it's clear that we can point that this is blatantly false and that we can show it in black and white so they actually listen as opposed to this is a conspiracy theory, this is a mega person. We'll just ignore it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Margo, you talk about it's the wimpy or timid I think you call it response from the Supreme Court. Do you anticipate Roberts, the Roberts court, particularly how Roberts has run this thing and now he's got ACB as a wingman. Do you anticipate that's going to get any less timid?

[Unknown Speaker]

I keep thinking it's going to. I thought it was going to after they did the first punt, which was involving a gentleman named Dellinger, but then they did the same thing the second time and the third time I don't think so. I don't think you're going to change Roberts and Barrett from being the prudential hands off justices, which frankly I think is a good approach in most cases. But in this case it's not because it is giving the lower court judges carte blanche to do anything. So I don't think you're going to find them moving away from their timidity, but when forced, I do think that they're going to order and rule the right way, which we did see in every single case that has come up there, that they actually stopped what the lower court was doing that was beyond its authority. So I wish I could be more hopeful, but the best I can say is they're going to rule in the right way when they finally have no option.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Margo, how can people get onto your Twitter feed and follow you throughout the day? Because what we need is a constant news service to update on all these myriad of cases because all of these are important in their own way. Where do people go? Ma'am, for your social media and your writings.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yes. So I am writing at the Federalist and on social media. I am on x at Prof. M.J. cleveland and at the very top. I have pinned all of the Supreme Court dockets and I usually throughout the day, if anything, substantial breaks, I constantly am getting updates from the different cases. I probably have 20 of them in my email just while I've been chatting with you. And I post not just my thoughts on it, but the original documents so that you can see that I am telling you it the way it is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Margo, fantastic and great service to the country. Really appreciate you and look forward to having you back, man.

[Unknown Speaker]

Thanks so much for your time.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Margo Cleveland over at the Federalist this as we told you, the courts are the tip of the spear. You know, Natalie's done a great job of how they're trying to do the color revolution and how they're playing up every protest. You're about to see one when MTG goes to do her town hall, they're going to have protesters outside. They had protesters outside last night in in Greenville. It was kind of sad, right? But they still had them. We're gonna take a short commercial break. Natalie's still with us. The great Brian Glenn is around. We're gonna go live to MGG's MTG's town hall in Georgia also. Hopefully we got plenty of time to do this. We're gonna talk to some truckers about certain issues next.

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Do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. So much activity in capital markets. And as we get down, we're going to get into big time on the big beautiful bill cuts we had Russ vote on. They want to thank Ross. He's getting ready to do a rescission. It's under $10 billion, it looks like, but it's got PBS, NPR, some of the USAID. So it's not as big as we hope, but it's a start. Capital markets are going to bounce around one of the big weapons of the Chinese Communist Party. And big breaking news as we came on the air, right here is guess what? Nvidia was, was just announced that Nvidia cannot sell. I got this right. Nvidia is not able to sell. Breaking news. Nvidia says the US government has banned them from selling the H20 chips to China for the indefinite future. Stock is down over 5% of the news. I'm not saying this is the equivalent of cutting the Japanese off from oil in July and August of 1941, but let's say it's directionally the same. This is hardball. We told you we've been arguing for smash mouth. I think we just got some from the US Government. Natalie Winters, I want to talk to you about what Margo Cleveland said. And also you've been following these NGOs, why we're not on the attack. But first, since you've done such great work on the Chinese Communist Party, this is the Trump administration thrown a punch, is it not, ma'am?

[Natalie Winters]

Absolutely. Like I always say, the only president who at least in my lifetime has actually taken on the Chinese Communist Party with, I think, a level of clinical detail that the media always misses, either intentionally or because it goes over their head. President Trump understands the United Front work department, the political warfare, what really undergirds what they have done to this country, which is the axiom of influence, infiltration as opposed to invasion. The idea that you see codified all over People's Liberation army text being that the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. And I think what we've learned from these tariffs, from even moves like this coming against Nvidia, is that we were sort of living on borrowed time, right? We were living in this suspended reality whereby we thought we were okay, we were sufficient from the Chinese Communist Party. Meanwhile, they were waging economic warfare, information warfare, lawfare. And in some cases, I think the spy balloon is kinetic warfare. And I think what was going on at the southern border was kinetic warfare, too. But what we have is a president who actually understands the Gravity and These sort of 5th dimension warfare tactics that the Chinese Communist Party is using against us and that this happy talk of, oh, well, what would war with China look like? And oh, the Thucydides trap and oh, Trump's trade war, that ship sailed. We are at war with China. And it's nice to have a president who finally understands that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You then agree with the thesis, the unrestricted warfare that they've been, you know, attacking us for decades and now the people's war that they called in 2019. In your observations and analysis, there's no doubt we're engaged in something far deeper than just tariff and trade, ma'am.

[Natalie Winters]

Oh, absolutely not. I mean, I think their goal is not necessarily to have the White House, you know, fly the Chinese flag. They just want everyone who works in there to have graduated from a higher education institution that's bankrolled by the Chinese Communist Party, have worked for political candidates who were, you know, working with fundraisers tied to the Chinese Communist Party, like we just found out today in Boston, have people and their families relate reliant on pharmaceutical drugs that are manufactured in China, have distorted propaganda news outlets that are essentially carrying water, if not in some cases just directly running ads for the Chinese Communist Party. And what I think really is the core of it, this idea that China is an economic miracle, that was sort of the first, I think from 2000 to 2010, 2015, before Trump entered the stage, they were very content with just refund, reframing the narrative about China's so called rise and that it was beneficial, a boon to the United States of America. But I think in recent years, you've seen them sort of weaponize and escalate their propaganda efforts here in the United States to blow past just how the United States and Americans conceive of China. But more importantly, they want to really shape and I think almost pervert the way that the United States, that our citizens, our fellow citizens look at this country. And I think that's why you see them kind of pop up, whether it's funding like we were talking about earlier, a lot of these BLM movements, these far left progressive movements, they always have a hand in these culturally destructive and subversive forces because they're playing to win, they're playing for keeps. They don't like the idea of a bipolar world order. They are keen on a unipolar world order, A unipolar world order whereby the United States States is not on top. And you see it. I didn't see any media outlets melting down about what they were doing with the Belt and Road initiative. But all of a sudden President Trump says, oh well, maybe we're going to take the Panama Canal. And they're apoplectic and they're melting down. And by the way, for all these people who are melting down over what's going on in the El Salvadorian prison, I suggest you take a trip to Xinjiang and see what China's done with the Uyghurs. You probably won't be too happy. And just one point on that, Steve too. After Margo's interview, I think it's important to underscore the reason why we have to ship these people overseas is because the Biden regime systematically underdeveloped and in some cases shut down domestic detention center facilities. And for four years, but especially after President Trump won these left wing lobbying groups and activists who are funded probably by the Chinese Communist Party, but certainly open society foundations as sort of left wing apparatus status, they were lobbying to Trump proof this country the mass deportation agenda. Remember how many shows did we do on that? That was the railhead of their ability to Trump proof the government. They wanted to nullify and neuter his mass deportation agenda. So they essentially set this trap right. The constitutionality of the foreign deportations. And I think my message would just be very clear. If they don't get the deportation deportations right, you turn this country into El Salvador. And if you don't get the lawfare counter programming. Correct. Going after these law firms, going after the deep state, me, you and a lot of people who watch this show and a lot of administration officials and probably President Trump are going to end up in an El Salvadorian prison.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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