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Episode 4421: Jerome Powell Takes On Trump; Trump Waves Off Iran Conflict
Episode 4421: Jerome Powell Takes On Trump; Trump Waves Off Iran Conflict ...
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Steve Bannon
Playing hardball with these institutions and just press on and press on harder. Go to the public, go to all the Ivy League schools, the Ivy adjacent, what they're called, the Duke Universities, and go to the public ivies and just cut them off hardcore. Cut them off of federal money. Love it. And let's see how tough they are. Love it, love it. All right, Steve, your show. Good talking to you, my brother. I'll see you hopefully see you tomorrow. Eric Bolling, thank you very much. On a holy Thursday evening. We've got a great cold open. Natalie's with us, also with Sheila. Sheila Matthews is going to join us. There's a shooting down at Florida State. We're going to break that down and see if, you know, the drugs they give these young people, if that has anything to do with it. Let's go. We got an amazing cold open packed news day today. I know you find that hard to believe packed. This is why I love doing the afternoon show. We get all the stuff that's been hot all day. Let's go ahead and play the cold open. We're going to bring our our own Natalie G. Winterson for some observations.
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Donald Trump
And they say the attack is what.
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Steve Bannon
That you waived off an Israeli plan.
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Donald Trump
To attack Iranian, I wouldn't say waved off. I'm not in a rush to do it because I think that Iran has a chance to have a great country and to live happily without death. And I'd like to see that. That's my first option. If there's a second option, I think it would be very bad for Iran. And I think Iran is wanting to talk. I hope they're wanting to talk. It's going to be very good for them if they do. And I'd like to see Iran be thrive in the future do fantastically well. I know the Iranian people. They're incredible people, always have been very smart, very energetic, very successful people. And I don't want to do anything that's going to hurt anybody. I really don't. But Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. It's, you know, pretty simple. It's really simple. We're not looking to take their industry. We're not looking to take their land. We're not. All we're saying is we're yeah, you can't have a nuclear weapon.
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Steve Bannon
You have said in the past that you aren't worried about allies growing closer to China as a result of your tariffs.
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Natalie Winters
And this week we saw Chinese President.
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Steve Bannon
Xi Jinping visit with three of our allies.
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Natalie Winters
Should you be worried that they're growing closer.
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Donald Trump
No, no. Nobody. Nobody can compete with us. Nobody.
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Steve Bannon
You said they have a good relationship with President Xi. Why not pick up the phone and.
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Sheila Matthews
Call him and make a deal?
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Donald Trump
Oh, we're going to make a deal. We'll have a deal. I think we have a. I think we're going to make a very good deal with China.
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Steve Bannon
Do you plan to reach out to him and call?
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Donald Trump
I think that you will see we'll make a very good deal with China.
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Steve Bannon
The level of tariff increases announced so far is significantly larger than anticipated. And the same is likely to be true of the economic effects, which will include higher inflation and slower growth. Tariffs are highly likely to generate at least a temporary rise in inflation. Inflationary effects could also be more persistent. Avoiding that outcome will depend on the size of the effects, on how long it takes for them to pass through fully to prices, and ultimately on keeping longer term inflation expectations well anchored.
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Natalie Winters
On Jerome Powell. You said that the termination of Jerome.
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Steve Bannon
Powell cannot come fast enough. He says he won't leave even if you ask him to.
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Donald Trump
Oh, he'll leave if I ask him to.
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Steve Bannon
He'll be out of there.
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Donald Trump
But I don't think he's. I don't think he. I don't think he's doing the job. He's too late. Always too late. Little slow and I'm not happy with him. I let him know it and if I want him out, he'll be out of there real fast, believe me.
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Steve Bannon
Hi, Victoria Guido with Politico.
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Natalie Winters
Some of the President's elect's advisers have suggested that you should resign. If he asked you to leave, would you go? No. Can you follow up on. Do you think that legally you're not required to leave?
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Steve Bannon
No. I guess the other question is to follow up on Victoria's question. Do you believe the President has the power to fire or demote you and has the Fed determined the legality of a President demoting at will any of the other governors with leadership positions? Not permitted under the law. Not what? Not permitted under the law.
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Natalie Winters
I mean, we are now relying on the courts almost completely and entirely. Is that the position that Powell finds himself and he doesn't expect the Senate to lay his body down on the tracks or the Congress?
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Steve Bannon
Yeah. So a couple of things. I believe if Jay Powell were fired by the President, he would have to defend himself privately. And I believe he has positioned himself in that way to prepare for that should it happen, is my understanding. The other thing is there is a technicality by which the President can fire a Fed chair or A governor. And that is for malfeasance. I just want to be technically correct about that. But it is not believed that a disagreement about interest rate policy would be that kind of malfeasance that might justify a firing. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these network's lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Sheila Matthews
And where do people like that go.
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Steve Bannon
To share the big lie?
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Sheila Matthews
MAGA MEDIA. I wish in my soul, I wish.
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Steve Bannon
That any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is the same, Save my country. This country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banff. Welcome. It's Thursday the 17th of April, year of our Lord 2025. It's the late afternoon early evening show leading into Holy Thursday. Well, it is Holy Thursday, but the normally the servant. The religious services will be tonight. Was it Maundy Thursday for Protestants? And some very beautiful services tonight, both in the Catholic Church and in the Protestant community in Holy Week. So look, you know President Trump, you gotta love him. It's Holy Week. A little slow. Congress is out. Let's see, what are we doing this afternoon? Hey, how about we're going to fire the chairman of the Federal Reserve. That'll change the conversation. As if, you know, their heads are not blowing up. It's interesting. They can't even get to all that like us. They can't even get to all the stories you could tell. They're doing three or four. They're really packed around. Obviously, the deportations, as we went through this morning with, with Bensman and for the war room posse thinking downrange, it's there you see the firestorm they're putting up on taking out criminals and gang members. Think what it's going to be when you get down to the, as I did the calculation today, the 1.6 million that have final deportation orders, okay. From, from a court. And then the other 2 million as Todd Benson went through gets you 3 and a half, 3, 6 million that you could basically another 2 million you could take out right away that virtually have, have those phony, you know, licenses from the passports. They're going away. They're burning off for a time. There'll be 2 million here in by the end of the year. So 3.6. You see what's happening right there. The courts are sly with that. Now President Trump, the ecb, European Central bank cut rates. I think they got a little different thing they're looking at. But Powell did not. President Trump's all over him. So the talk today is President Trump going to fire Powell? Does he have the legal authority to fire Powell because the Fed is a quasi independent institution. I think that's a whole question in and of itself, right. Who, who controls the Federal Reserve? Why do we even have a Fed? We're a big believer. We're like Andrew Jackson. We actually don't believe in central bank. You know, this is the equivalent of the bank of the United States to us, maybe just slightly different. So President Trump all in on that today. The gave oppressor at the when the Italian Prime Minister and then later signed executive orders, particularly around fisheries and I think limiting some employment in the federal government through the summer extended that and of course took. He's taken questions all day long. I do want to replay because what Jack and I did this morning, I think we took about three segments to do it. Parts of it went mini viral and I realize Kurt Mills and some other folks are tweeting out some of the, some of the better elements of what we appreciate it about the New York Times story. President Trump has asked a direct question. So I don't want to. This is disintermediaing Jack Bosovic and Steve Bannon. Let's go ahead and hear President Trump again answering a question that was put directly to him earlier in the day when he was there for a bilateral with the Italian head of government. Let's go ahead and listen to it. Can you comment on that? Is that accurate?
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Donald Trump
And they said the attack is what.
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Steve Bannon
That you waived off an Israeli plan to attack Iranian.
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Donald Trump
I wouldn't say waved off. I'm not in a rush to do it because I think that Iran has a chance to have a great country and to live happily without death. And I'd like to see that. That's my first option if there's a second option. And I think it would be very bad for Iran. And I think Iran is wanting to talk. I hope they're wanting to talk. It's going to be very good for them if they do. And I'd like to see Iran be thrive in the future do fantastically well. I know the Iranian people, they're incredible people, always have been very smart, very energetic, very successful people. And I Don't want to do anything that's going to hurt anybody. I really don't. But Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. It's, you know, pretty simple. It's really simple. We're not looking to take their industry. We're not looking to take their land. We're not. All we're saying is, you can't have a nuclear weapon.
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Steve Bannon
Right there. He lays it out very simply. They can't have a nuclear weapon. And. But I don't want to attack. I don't want. I want to live happily without death. The certain hardcore elements of the neocons went absolutely nuts today. They were also not happy about Jack and I, who are big supporters of Israel. But here's the reality. If you read the New York Times, I haven't seen any counter to that. It's the arrogance of essentially forcing Bibi, forcing his way here twice coming when President Trump dropped the Gaza. Trump Gaza about a month ago. And it's fine to come over and update. That's what these bilats are. These people come in and we cover it every day. Then to come back a couple of weeks later, because he didn't get enough to spend enough time and force the issue. They're trying to force the issue. They're trying to say, hey, we have these battle plans. We're ready to go. And, you know, we've knocked their air defenses out and we have to go. And he came over and did it again, and President Trump kind of dropped the bomb on him in the room. Hey, by the way, we're actually in negotiations. We start this Saturday in Oman, and it's just the two of us. There's no third party, which the Israelis have been adamant that that can't happen. Scott Bessen came out yesterday and kind of gave a backup to what we've been saying here on the show is that why are we. We haven't even started true economic warfare against these folks. If you want the Persians to start taking a hard look at the mullahs, these radical, crazy mullahs that rule over them, you got to put the squeeze on them. We're not putting the squeeze on them. People say no, it's tough inflation. That's not the squeeze. They have assets all over the world. But get somebody in next week on this 1983. On the bombing itself, I believe they owe the families of the dead Marines a couple of billion dollars. I think there's a court judgment on that. I'll get to the details over the weekend. And we should just take that Right away, just seize it. Also, you know, they got assets all around, they have financial assets all around. These mullahs. All they do is steal money. Got Swiss bank accounts, they got everything. Plus two and a half million barrels of oil a day. Not the 1.6 on the, that's publicly disclosed. They got about two, two and a half million going to the Chinese Communist Party. It's essentially 20 plus percent of total energy consumption by the CCP. The CCP that's at economic war with this President Trump sitting there going, hey, we're going to make a deal. Says I make deals, he'll make a deal with Xi. That's what this whole thing is, the reordering and the reorganization of commercial relationships and activity to bring high value added manufacturing jobs back here to the United States of America or have people pay for the privilege of selling your products here in the United States. This premium market, pretty simple. His logic on the Persian nuclear program is very simple. Now when you say they can't have it, they're, you know, Wyckoff's people are using the V word for verification. These moolahs are so crazy and so untrustworthy. I think on this one you need a Gaddafi type. We got to go in now with the un we got to go in and take it apart brick by brick. Right? And let's do a Carthaginian piece with them on this. We'll salt the earth around it like we want to do at the FBI headquarters. Cash, if you're listening. So President Trump, very straightforward and blunt today. And you can tell President Trumpes says, hey, this is simple. They're not going to get a nuclear weapon. And I don't want to go in and have death and destruction. And certainly if you look at the article, come over here and be pushed over and over again and donors calling, it's not going to happen. There's so many other ways that we haven't even pursued. They're saying, oh, they're going to have a bomb next week. They're not going to have a bomb next week. You have to be serious about putting the, put in the screws right in their head. And you can do it if you're serious, but we're not going to get drawn in. The collateral damage. This ain't Iraq and it ain't Afghanistan. This is an ancient, ancient civilization. We're very proud, tough people. You go in there and you're going to be in there for a decade, okay? Your sons and daughters are going to be there and it ain't going to happen. Short break. We had a lot to get to. Next. You don't go out and buy a life jacket when the boat is already sinking and you don't buy gold when the economy has already collapsed. Clearly others are heeding this advice as gold hit an all time high the first part of 2025 multiple times. It's not too late for you. The company I trust to help you diversify into physical gold is Birch Gold. The company I buy my gold from. 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Sheila Matthews
Sure. Well, we were invited. I was invited on behalf of War Room. It was about 12 or so journalists talking heads who had about an hour and a half roundtable with the Prime Minister himself when he was visiting at Blair House. I attended. I think, you know, we are very evenhanded and fair in our assessment of what is going on in the Middle East. I was curious to see the other personalities who were there. You know my background is in Foreign Agent Registration act reporting and how foreign countries seek to sort of influence narratives about prevailing issues. So that was why I was there. But it was quite interesting cuz one of the things that we talked about I would say second only to sort of Netanyahu's construct of what he viewed as the global deep state of which he identified himself as a victim and target of was this idea of why the United States States should support, you know, Israeli attacks in Iran on nuclear infrastructure. And his key point, which to be frank, I don't think necessarily convinced a lot of the journalists in the room. And I would put myself in that bucket too, that the reason why we should have supported Israel's attacks potentially on Iran was because eventually, one day in the future, they could obtain nuclear technology that could reach the United States. That, of course, still being sort of a. In the future foregone, not necessarily conclusion, but I think just an interesting data point amidst all this reporting and that issue.
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Steve Bannon
Now, you know, if you talk to people, if you talk to people, they would say, you know, with Charlie Kirk and Jack Posobic and War Room and Bannon and the Real America voice, because we've had Terra doll, we've had correspondence, we did live reports thing, been very supportive of what happened with the Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. And we, you know, but our argument is when you got to go through hell, go through as quickly as possible. What we have been adamant about is we just do not believe we can get sucked into another war in the Middle East. And it's quite easy. This is why I'm kind of opposed to us having two carrier battle groups off of Yemen, the southern, you know, part of the, the Arabian Peninsula, you know, doing airstrikes all the time with, with very little help, and keeping the Suez Canal open with no allies. So it's not that we don't support the fight, but we want to be rational about it. And we're a huge believer in the power of economic warfare. This is what we're engaged in against the Chinese Communist Party right now and with President Trump. I'm not so sure she wants to take a meeting right now. I think it's a test of wills. I just think it is. And on this, you have to. We haven't even scratched the surface. There's been sanctions, but there hasn't really been economic warfare and shut them down. So before you commit American air assets or American ground assets, and this is it. If you, if you understand how this would be done in Persia as a country, this is not Iraq and it's not Afghanistan, and this is not the Gulf War, and this is not the run up to, in what, 2003. Right. It's not the run up to Baghdad and it's not going into Afghanistan with some CIA paramilitary and then try to, you know, change the country and turn it into a Jeffersonian democracy. This is an ancient civilization. I was there as a junior officer in the workup. My ship, my destroyer squadron rotated out before the final launch and the strike. But we were there for the workup of which even as a young officer, I. And they're going, I don't know if this is going to work. Because we just didn't have enough lift capacity because Persia is so massive. So massive. And so it looks like the parts that we could see look like the, look like the moon. Okay. Not, you're not on the coast of California, not there at Santa Barbara or Newport Beach. I don't think people realize that in this, to do this with the technology exists and what they have is a massive military operation and it would draw the United States in. And to me, it's not even they're presenting it, but kind of the pushing and the pushing and coming and we're going to have it in May and coming back. There's no reason for him to come back. Last week, talk about tariffs. He wasn't really prepared to deal on tariffs. I heard he took a pretty hard line. It was all here to get to Trump and Trump couldn't be more dismissive. That's I for the people that are for Israel and supporting Israel. When president Guy comes the first time, Bibi comes the first time and Trump kind of drops the bomb of, hey, we're actually going to take Gaza and we're going to turn it into, you know, the coast of France or Palm beach, right. Or, you know, was it Destin Florida, the New Hamptons or whatever they call it down there. And they haven't gotten a heads up. And you say he's kind of gobsmacked. And they go into the East Room and Trump's not even addressing any of the Israeli issues. He's talking about, you know, Trump, Gaza. Then he comes back a couple weeks later and he drops a bomb right in front of him that, hey, we're going to, oh, by the way, we're starting negotiations, one on one negotiations Saturday in Oman and it's just us and the Persians that I think, take a hint. You got to read the room, particularly people that are supporters. Remember, we're not the, we're not the negative guys or we're not the guys saying, hey, we shouldn't do this under anything. We get blown up by those guys all the time. And maybe rightly so, because this looks like this plays inthe New York Times story, plays into that. Hey, the tail's wagging the dog and you're not going to wag Trump. He's not going to do it right there. He could not be clearer. Can I get that teed up again? I'm worked up on this thing now. Let's play. I want to play again. The president has asked a direct question on the New York Times story. Did you wave off? Did you wave off yes or no and hear the President, United States response, let's go and play it.
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Donald Trump
And they say the attack is what?
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Steve Bannon
That you waived off an Israeli plan to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.
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Donald Trump
I wouldn't say waved off. I'm not in a rush to do it because. Because I think that Iran has a chance to have a great country and to live happily without death. And I'd like to see that. That's my first option. If there's a second option, I think it would be very bad for Iran. And I think Iran is wanting to talk. I hope they're wanting to talk. It's going to be very good for them if they do. And I'd like to see Iran be thrive in the future do fantastically well. I know the Iranian people, they're incredible people, always have been very smart, very energetic, very successful people. And I don't want to do anything that's going to hurt anybody. I really don't. But Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. It's, you know, pretty simple. It's really simple. We're not looking to take their industry, we're not looking to take their land. We're not. All we're saying is you can't have a nuclear weapon.
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Steve Bannon
It's very appropriate. I think we do this on Holy Thursday didn't if memory serves me correctly, one of the magi that came to honor Christ at his birth, one of was Persian, right? I believe, I believe I'm correct in that. If not, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Natalie Winters. This is going to get very controversial. It was an incredible story by the New York Times. Lots of scoops there and of course lots been going on. Six NSC people got turfed out a week ago. The head of nsa, the big spy, our signals operation, really one of the most powerful in all the government turfed out a four star general and his deputy and then three or four of Pete's guys essentially perp walked out of the Pentagon. So a lot going on the national security side. We'll break it all down for you. You've got a very interesting video here I want to play and I want your commentary on it. Ms. Winters. Let's go ahead and play it.
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Sheila Matthews
Every single week we have a litigation.
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Steve Bannon
Working group where a large group of us and I'm talking there's maybe 75 members of the House sit down every single week with the ags to talk about legal strategy.
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Sheila Matthews
This is all going on every single week behind the scenes. It is non stop Nonstop talk, non.
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Steve Bannon
Stop introduction of bills and legislation, nonstop.
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Sheila Matthews
Being on social media as much as we can without being throttled and without the, you know, crazy analytics and doing all these things.
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Steve Bannon
I disagree with these people totally and what they want to do. And to me, they're out to destroy the country. But Natalie, that's how you get things done. People should understand that's what's happening behind the scenes. And this is why you're seeing hundreds of lawsuits. They all look like they're coordinated. This is just not something that randomly is happening by concerned citizen groups. Natalie Winters well, I would also disagree.
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Sheila Matthews
That they're the ones being throttled or censored on social media. We know the State Department, I think pretty remarkably got rid of all those restrictions and those secret clandestine government programs. But look, I think this is what we identified even before President Trump won the election, that the attorneys general, that that was sort of part of the lawfare attacks, how they were going to try to Trump proof the government before he took over. And then we've seen that Continue Post January 20th there's about 23 states where they have super majorities and I think that they have viewed each state as sort of a testing ground or battleground for unique ways to sort of wage resistance warfare. Of course, compounded that I think you have a lot of these blue state governors sort of jockeying for the 2028 election. But I think the more crucial part of this, and it's frankly why War Room exists, why your audience, our audience is watching this show because it's a double standard and it's the dichotomy, it's frankly the offensive juxtaposition where you have Democrat members of Congress back channeling with attorneys general, talking about how they can work to flood the zone while somehow maintaining that all these AGs and the judges are only concerned with due process and rule of law. I don't think that's quite true. But meanwhile, you have Republican AGs who seemingly don't even have the phone numbers of Speaker Johnson or members of Congress because they're having to grovel to them like lobbyists writing letters. For example, in February, you had over a dozen or so state AGs write a letter saying essentially, hey, we know that you guys, Congress, your Covid committee gathered some interesting information that I guess they're a little late to the War room we've been talking about for years, but we're happy to volunteer and help participate to actually bring criminal charges against Anthony Fauci. Crickets. Nothing happened after that. And I think that just speaks. That is quite an illustrative example of the asymmetric warfare that we have. Not even coming from the Democrats, but coming from our own side because they're unwilling to actually engage. Look, Steve, they are threatening to throw the President of the United States and his advisors hold them in contempt of not Congress in your case, but a court. We have people, dozens, hundreds, thousands of people who helped orchestrate an invasion of this country, who helped wage lawfare against a former president who targeted, persecuted, prosecuted thousands of MAGA supporters and we can't even bring one frickin indictment.
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Steve Bannon
Please. I know it. Hey, hang, hang on for a second. We got more coming out of Switzerland Next with Natalie Winters. You've heard me talk about Patriot Mobile for a while now. You probably know that for years they've stood in the gap for every American who believes in faith, family and freedom. So here's the question. Have you switched to Patriot Mobile yet? You'll get exceptional nationwide coverage because unlike most cell phone service providers, Patriot Mobile utilizes all three major US Networks Switch today without sacrificing quality or service. They even add two numbers on two networks on one phone. Let me repeat. They can even add two numbers on two networks on one phone. It's like you're carrying two phones in one. They have unlimited data plans, mobile hotspots, international roaming, Internet on the go devices and Internet backup. Switching is easy. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. Their 100% US based team can activate you in minutes. Best of all, switching to Patriot Mobile supports your values. If you believe in our first Amendment and second amendment rights, the sanctity of life, supporting our veterans and first responders, this is where you belong. Right now. Go to patriot mobile.com bannon or call 972 Patriot. Get a free month of service with promo code Bannon. So if you call in, tell them Bannon also Switch today. That's patriot mobile.com Bannon or call 972 Patriot. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Okay, welcome back, Natalie. We have other news to break about deportations. Let's get to that and then we'll talk about who One of our favorite topics, although we're out of it. Not so fast, folks. What do you got for us on deportation today? We had a big thing with Todd Benson. People's heads were blown up. We're quite nervous about we're taking so much flack and not pushing back hard enough. I don't think right now we need to because we can't. President Trump is digging in he ain't budging on this. We gotta get messaging down and just, you know, ban it out, not falter on this. Because as we did today with Todd Benza, we have at least 3.6 million either have been ordered out or these phony exemptions, they got a burning off. And President Trump has written that. Also might note on the 15th of May, the Supreme Court wants to hear arguments on birthright citizenship. So this thing's all coming together. What do you got for us about the FBI?
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Sheila Matthews
Well, speaking of another vertical where Congress has let us down, of course, their weaponization committee. People may remember the wonderful and intrepid whistleblower Steve Friend. He's been on the show and has a wonderful podcast. But I was actually just speaking with him and he wanted me to communicate rather exclusively to the audience some really major concerns about how the FBI and certain rogue agents, but particularly at the supervisor and management level, are really working to obstruct the deportation, the mass deportation agenda. So I want to walk you through this sort of in pieces. So first and foremost, FBI agents, so these are the sort of rank and file, are actually being given the option to opt out of participating in deportation raids if they do not align with, say, their personal or political beliefs. And the people who are letting them or enabling them to opt out come at sort of the squad supervisor or field office, special agent in charge level. And in at least two cases, Steve was relaying to me how a lot of these sort of left wing FBI, which is more concentrated at the management level or the sort of supervisory roles that they were saying, people who participated in these raids, they were comparing them to Nazis, trying to create a culture whereby these agents wouldn't necessarily want to participate in these raids to begin with. And then when you come to the city of Phoenix and why it's important, sort of the city by city basis, the justification that they had been given saying that, oh well, you can opt out of these deportation rates if you'd like, is because they were saying that it only applied to certain cities, the big ones, right? Chicago, New York, Louisiana. But if you're in a smaller city, that that was sort of your justification for not having to participate. But when Deputy Director Dan Bongino was visiting the Phoenix offices, I guess some of the agents had wanted to invite him to participate in an ICE raid where FBI was going to be joining them, but supervisors there actually said noand perhaps Deputy Director Bongino did not want to join. Again, this is not coming from Bongino. This is coming from the supervisors in these offices said that's not going to happen. And they actually ceased all deportation raid activities that day to have everyone in the office to meet with Bongino. But in practice, Steve was saying that a lot of his sources. So these are people who are still working in the FBI, in some cases his former colleagues, that there was one incident where there was a text chain between a staff supervisor, squad supervisor, when a team of FBI agents were supposed to be en route and joining ICE officials, ICE agents in a deportation raid. ICE thought that FBI was going to be coming and assisting them, but this supervisor said, no, we're actually not. And they left ICE stranded without the FBI, FBI support staff that they wanted.
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Steve Bannon
You know, this is not good because we talked about today, we've got an ICE shortage. We have, you know, we're talking about using sheriffs and using local resources, $170 billion rebuild this. The other thing we talked about is training personnel. This is why I said, yo, the time this looks like it's going to really happen is in 2026. Last time I looked. That's a midterm election year and the media is going to be all over this. So we need all hands on deck right now. This is serious. Look, look at the firestorm they're creating on sending the worst criminals in America out of here and President Trump doing his job as commander in chief. We'll get more on, more on this. I want to go to something that Frank Gaffney and the team of the Sovereignty Coalition brought up to me and I'll try to get some of those folks on either through the Easter weekend or next week. But they've been warning because since we punched out of one of the President Trump's first acts was punching out of the World Health Organization. It's still going to take a while to get there, right? Over a year they've, they've assigned the pandemic treaty when people were not paying attention. Not that we had anything to stop it. We couldn't stop it because we're really not part of it anymore. But what's the latest status on the pandemic treaty and how can it still. Because you're very cynical at a young age about how they can get their hooks and citizens of the United States and the country of the United States of America.
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Sheila Matthews
Ma'am, I think I'm justifiably cynical. If anything, probably still too bright eyed and bushy tailed. Read all the Chinese fair filings and you'll have my worldview too. But no, this WHO thing, you know, Just real quick, speaking of Marxists, I think the lack of CBP and FBI agents and the far left ones at that, that is the culmination of what Black Lives Matter matter and that whole anti police movement was meant to accomplish. And they got that right. But so on the 14th, the who sort of clandestinely secretly announced that they were in the final stages of their negotiations for a draft pandemic treaty. Of course people recall, what is it? I think the 13 or so plus meetings, iterations that they had drafted. It was really a back and forth, a tug of war really between our audience. If it weren't for our audience, if it weren't for the work of Frank Gaffney, this thing would have been through under Joe Biden and a lot of his top advisers on the issue of public health actually not just had come from the World Health Organization, but were actually direct picks, probably first round draft picks from the WHO pandemic treaty negotiating body itself. But so now at least they have the final draft which is going to be presented to the World Health assembly in May, so not that far away for potential ratification. And I won't even quote or, sorry, I won't even paraphrase or be hyperbolic, I will directly quote the, what I guess are supposed to be the more mundane, not as radical in your face policy propositions that this document supports, including, but not limited to establishing a pathogen access and benefit sharing system taking concrete measures on pandemic prevention, including, including through a one health approach, building geographically diverse research and development capacities facilitating the transfer of technology and related knowledge, skills and expertise for the production of pandemic related health products mobilizing a skilled, trained and multidisciplinary disciplinary, national and global health emergency workforce setting up a coordinating financial mechanism and taking concrete measures to strengthen preparedness, readiness in health system functions and resilience and establishing a global supply chain and logistics network. Translation on all of that, first and foremost, the coordinated financial mechanism whereby they provide no further elucidation on what that means is extremely concerning given the who's proclivity for all things digital identity and digital banking. But the term one health approach is something that really emanated out of Anthony Fauci. Fauci's, you know, NIAID worldview. It's very ecohealth alliance, the idea that all countries are the same, that viruses can transcend borders. So therefore we need to treat them collectively and comprehensively. I also think you see a lot of that pandemic, you know, predictive programming, which, let's not mistake that this treaty was finalized more or less a few days, plus or minus when Anthony Fauci was out there hitting the airwaves saying that another pandemic is going to be. I think the other really concerning thing on this front is that there's no explicit outlaw or idea that the Chinese Communist Party should not be engaged in pathogen sharing, especially as this trade war heats up. But precisely gain of function research. And if you read the quotes, which I will from the co chairs of the group that was supervising this, it sounds truly. I know we like to use the word Marxist a lot, but I think it really is a fair characterization a very collectivist worldview which I think we learned from COVID The not just downfalls but utter societal collapse inducing downfalls of a collectivist mindset. So just listen to these. I am overjoyed by the coming together of countries from all regions of the world around a proposal to increase equity. While the commitment to prevention through the one health approach is a major step forward in protecting populations, the response will be fast, faster, more effective and more equitable. This is a historic agreement for health security, equity and international solidarity. I feel like I'm quoting Karl Marx, but I'm just quoting the who.
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Steve Bannon
Unbelievable. Real quickly, NGOs they're going to keep our. They're going to keep. So we don't get a free pass on this, right? The NGOs are going to be all over trying to capture American citizens with these passports. The country itself. Well, how can we avoid this?
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Sheila Matthews
Well, there's another article we can put up on screen talking about how just the week prior the WHO brought a bunch of countries and NGOs together to test what they call a collective pandemic response where they said it was 15 countries, 20 regional health agencies and the vague term of a bunch of health emergency networks and quote other partners, partners to test. And if you want to put Denver, the other picture up on screen, it's a map of the countries that were involved, their sort of collectivist mentality of what it means to fight pandemics. The. What was it? One in a hundred year pandemics that seem to be happening now. Once every five year pandemics, the United States is listed as one of the key nodes. It has that little triangle which means they have their hooks. So much like the immigration stuff, much like I think a lot of this trade war war stuff. The Trump administration can do what they're going to do and Democrats are going to oppose them in sort of the political theater of war. But these NGOs are just straight up disrespecting and not answering or heeding to what the Trump administration did in terms of pulling federal funding. And just our entrance to the WHO, I would advocate, I mean, maybe sanction the WHO, make it a Persona non grata. So these, these NGOs can't even collaborate with them. But that's sort of how the WHO has worked from the get go.
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Steve Bannon
Right.
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Sheila Matthews
The government involvement is sort of tertiary or I think quaternary to any of the agenda that they've been able to really roll out here. So they might not have buy in from the president, but they have buy in from these weird pseudo government funded NGOs, though I guess oxymoronic makes really no sense. But all of these NGOs are really pushing ahead. If you read their press releases, they're really trying to combat what is the reduction they say in foreign aid. So that'll be the sort of backdoor approach. And frankly, I mean, you see it in their statements. There's no respect for sovereignty. You would think if they cared, they tried to be a little tacit or cagey about what they're saying. They're straight up talking about an international equity and collectivist mindset to fight pandemics together. There's no caveat, no asterisks on there that says the United States.
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Steve Bannon
Amen. Natalie, where do we get you on, on social media?
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Sheila Matthews
Natalie G. Winters, on all platforms. Thank you for having me.
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Steve Bannon
Tremendous, great report. Let's. We got time. We got time. Let's play the. Something happened at Florida State. We're going to play this and Sheila Matthews is going to join us after the break. Do we have time? Okay, let's go ahead and hit it. Shooting multiple individuals in the vicinity of the student union building. FSU police responded immediately, engaged, neutralized and apprehended the shooter. Two victims of deceased are deceased and five individuals have been transported to a local hospital with gunshot wounds. The shooter has also been transported to a local hospital. The two deceased are not students and we understand that you all have been devastated because of this person's actions. The question as it relates to who is the shooter? The shooter is 20 year old Phoenix Eichner. Eichner and he's a son of a Leon County Sheriff Deputy. Our, our deputy, Deputy Eichner has been with the Leon County Sheriff's office for over 18 years. She has a tremendous job that she's done. Her service to this community has been exceptional. Unfortunately, her son had access to one of her weapons and that was one of the weapons that was found at the scene.
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Donald Trump
And we will continue that investigation into.
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Steve Bannon
How that weapon was used and what other weapons perhaps he may have had access to. Okay. Kind of bizarre, what happened down in Florida state today. We're gonna take a short commercial break. We're gonna break it down for you with Sheila Matthews. We return. Health isn't just a personal issue. It's a family issue, a community issue. We're living in unpredictable times. Supply chains can break down, hospitals can get overwhelmed. And let's not even start on the natural disasters. These aren't hypotheticals. They're happening. You see it here in the war room, and we all know it. The question is simply, are you ready? That's where Jace comes in. This isn't just a kit. This is a Jace case. It's a lifeline. It's a personal supply of prescribed emergency medications that puts the power back in your hands. Whether it's an unexpected illness or a global disruption of supply chains, you can act fast and protect yourself and your loved ones. This February, show them you care in a way that really matters. Be prepared. Get the Jace case today so you'll have the right meds on hand the moment you need them. Visit jacemedical.com and use the code Bannon B A N N o N at checkout for a discount on your order. That's Jace medical.com promo code Bannon. Get the Jace case and do it today. Here's your host, Stephen k. Banner. Okay, gold sell at 3300 day Dow down on 5600 another down day for the Dow. A lot of turbulence. Bessance cutting deals said today in the oval with the president at that press availability. And the Italian leader of the Italian government was there. She can't really cut deals because she's part of the eu. But the Japanese, the east Asians are with Besant. Japan I think was in two days ago. Korea we know is coming. We're going to deal with. We're going to talk about what's happening in Korea at the top of the hour here in a few minutes. Birchgold.com, end of the dollar empire right now. Not just reading it, but get to Philip, Patrick and the team. Bannon or Bannon at 989-898. Talk to Philip and the team about IRAs, 401ks, what you can do with your retirement tax deferred to get into physical gold. You know, gold's never moved like this. We're the first to admit this. I mean, it's been on an incredible run. What you need to know is a hedge and a store of value. And learn, learn about it, think about it before you make a decision. But they're available and you should go do it. And you should talk to Philip Patrick and his amazing team. Philip's going to be with me on Saturday. And Saturday we're going to be doing two hour special on Lexington and Concord and we're going to talk about the economic situation at the time and particularly about gold and precious metals at the time of the American Revolution and how it relates to today. How about that? Sheila Matthews is with us. Sheila Abel, child, you've been all over these shootings and we're not saying Florida State had anything to do with it, but you know, it's a son of. It looks like a single mom or something and he took her weapon. It's been very disturbing. The pattern you've seen in a lot of these. What is that, ma'am?
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Natalie Winters
We're missing information, the mental health records. And this is a pattern throughout these mass killings and it affects us all. It doesn't matter where this child came from. What we need to know is the mental health records and who the treating psychiatrist is. Because we have seen a pattern of suppression by lawmakers of providing this information. And so it's imperative because it's a public health safety issue and they're hiding behind hipaa. They're basically saying because of HIPAA we can't get access to this. But there's exceptions and one is public safety. So this is just a continuation of like Parkland shooting where suppressed all those mental health records. Adam Lanza and Sandy Hook, our organization, sued for that information which is still being withheld. And so now we have another tragedy. And the fact of the matter is these drugs have been flagged since 1991 and we had to wait 13 years for a black box suicide warning. So you know, do I trust this industry? Absolutely not. And we need to find out who the treating psychiatrist is. We're not saying that this young adult, 20 year old was on these psychiatric drugs. But if we got the New York bill passed in 2000, we would already have that information. And they already know that Steve, as of right now, what his mental health records are and who the treating psychiatrist is, if any. You know, we're not saying this is all linked. But we have to look at this data. It is a correlation because every mass shooting we've looked at, it's always related to a cocktail of psychiatric drugs that these kids are on.
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Steve Bannon
What can we do to unsuppress this we got about a minute and a half. I'll have you back on. What do we have to do now? What do you want this audience to do? To either learn more or to go talk to somebody because there is a pattern here and there's clearly things being suppressed. So what are we supposed to do about it?
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Natalie Winters
Well, right now we need signatures on our petition on ablechild.org for federal hearings. I'm glad that the president is looking into this and is being kept abreast of the situation. But the governor of Florida needs to come out and tell us that he's investigating the link to the mental health records. And so that would be a first step. And we're waiting for the governor of Tennessee to pass the first of its kind law that we just got passed to test dead shooters. This kid is alive, but we still need that information. And the treating psychiatrist should be held to account like come and tell us what you gave this kid and the mom should come out and tell us what what she gave her son. If anything. This is part of the investigation. This has to be standard operating procedures, Steve, that we get these mental health records and we stop suppressing them because there is no HIPAA law that prevents you after you commit a crime that we can't see your records.
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Steve Bannon
Sheila, where do people go to get more information? How do they find out about Able Child? Because you guys are all over this dangerous mix of this cocktail that are given particularly to young men. I don't want to say, hey, it's anything related to autism, but they're no coincidences where they go.
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Natalie Winters
Ablechild.org, ablechild.org and please, we really want your help. Sign our petition and let us get some federal hearings. Let's get the attention of the White House. Are we going to continue to deal with these killings in our churches and our schools and in the malls? I don't think so. I think we have to demand answers.
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Steve Bannon
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