Episode 4443: Special Coverage: The Funeral Of Pope Francis Cont.

Summary

Summary of "Bannon's War Room" Episode 4443: Special Coverage: The Funeral Of Pope Francis Cont.

Release Date: April 26, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon (presented by WarRoom.org)
Description: This special episode of "Bannon's War Room" provides an in-depth analysis of the funeral of Pope Francis, featuring discussions with experts in religion, politics, and media. The episode delves into the state of the Catholic Church, internal challenges, and the implications of Pope Francis's legacy on both religious and political spheres.

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1. Opening Remarks and Context

Timestamp: [00:02] – [00:53]

• Steve Bannon: Opens with a strong critique of the current media landscape, accusing mainstream networks of lying about the people and proclaiming a “primal scream of a dying regime.” He emphasizes the unwavering resolve of his audience, stating, “Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.” ([00:33])

• Hwal: Introduces himself as filling in for Bannon and acknowledges the presence of Jim Rickards, hinting at future discussions with Dave Bratt.

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2. Discussion with Frank Walker on Canon 212

Timestamp: [00:53] – [12:56]

• Hwal: Welcomes Frank Walker to discuss Canon 212, the website dedicated to traditionalist Catholic perspectives.

• Frank Walker: Explains the inspiration behind Canon 212, aiming to provide a platform for conservative and Catholic voices as an alternative to mainstream media misrepresenting Catholicism. He expresses frustration with the current papacy, stating, “If you can’t say that [Pope Francis] is definitely absolutely Pope and there aren’t any questions about it, then you don’t get a voice.” ([03:13])

• Stephen K. Bannon: Continues discussing the need for power within the Church, criticizing the separation of church and state and the loss of influence since the American Civil War. He highlights historical examples of Church leadership influenced by both popular vote and imperial vetoes, advocating for a grassroots approach to restoring the Church’s authority. ([05:55])

• Hwal: Probes into the role of the laity in Church governance, questioning whether the laity is equipped to make decisions traditionally held by the hierarchy.

• Bannon: Argues for the necessity of power behind the Church, suggesting collaboration with movements like MAGA to restore traditional Catholic values and influence. He underscores the importance of supporting the traditional Mass and the faithful community as essentials for the Church’s survival. ([07:24])

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3. Strategies for MAGA-Oriented Catholics and Church Reform

Timestamp: [07:33] – [43:50]

• Frank Walker: Discusses the historical decline in the Church’s influence in Europe, particularly in the Netherlands, where secularism and Islam have overshadowed traditional Catholic values. He emphasizes the need for the Church to avoid entangling with contemporary political issues like LGBTQ+ rights and climate change to maintain its spiritual mission. ([37:33] – [38:59])

• Dave Bratt: Represents the Protestant perspective, aligning closely with traditionalist Catholic concerns. He critiques Pope Francis’s policies on immigration and environmentalism as radical and misaligned with Christian teachings. Bratt advocates for unity among Christian denominations to uphold objective truth and resist secular and Marxist influences. He stresses the importance of maintaining Judeo-Christian values in the political arena. ([18:53] – [25:01])

• Elizabeth Yore: Encourages listeners to follow Archbishop Vigano’s whistleblower accounts to understand the globalist takeover of the papacy, urging a deeper engagement with the Catholic faith through prayer and informed activism. ([27:13])

• Frank Walker: Offers strategic advice for the upcoming conclave, suggesting that the Church should focus on eternal truths rather than transient political issues to regain its influence and appeal globally. He warns against the politicization of the papacy and advocates for a democratic element within Church leadership to resonate with modern congregations. ([32:37] – [35:11])

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4. Analysis of Media Narratives and Church Legitimacy

Timestamp: [05:55] – [13:57]

• Bannon: Criticizes the Catholic press for failing to address heresies and the legitimacy of Pope Francis, insinuating corruption and external influences undermining the Church’s integrity. He calls for alternative media platforms like Canon 212 to amplify true Catholic voices and challenge the mainstream narrative. ([03:13] – [04:43])

• Frank Walker: Highlights the Vatican’s shifting demographic focus from Europe to growing Catholic populations in Africa, Latin America, and Asia. He suggests that future popes may emerge from these regions to better align with the Church’s expanding global presence. ([30:48] – [33:57])

• Dave Bratt: Emphasizes the importance of a united Christian front against secularism and liberal ideologies. He warns of a potential pendulum swing within the Church, possibly appointing a figure like Mike Pence to restore conservative values, but remains skeptical about the validity of such moves without true Catholic representation. ([07:58] – [10:01])

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5. Final Thoughts and Call to Action

Timestamp: [43:50] – [52:56]

• Frank Walker: Concludes by urging Americans to capitalize on the predominantly Catholic immigration from Latin America to strengthen the Church’s influence in the U.S., contrasting it with the challenges faced in Europe due to Islamic immigration. He emphasizes the potential for unity and growth if the Church remains focused on its core values rather than succumbing to political pressures. ([39:53] – [41:34])

• Hwal: Summarizes key insights from the guests, reinforcing the need for strategic action within the Catholic community to preserve its integrity and influence. He acknowledges the contributions of Frank Walker and Dave Bratt, highlighting the importance of their work in rebuilding the Church’s foundation. ([42:16] – [43:50])

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Notable Quotes

1. Steve Bannon: “Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.” ([00:33])

2. Frank Walker: “If you can’t say that [Pope Francis] is definitely absolutely Pope and there aren’t any questions about it, then you don’t get a voice.” ([03:13])

3. Dave Bratt: “The nations don't have souls. Right. Nations are Romans 13. They need to be run by the sword.” ([25:00])

4. Frank Walker: “Any religion that is married to the moors of its own time does not have a long future.” ([32:37])

5. Dave Bratt: “They reject you. We are the inclusive folks.” ([25:00])

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Conclusion

Episode 4443 of "Bannon's War Room" offers a critical examination of the Catholic Church’s current trajectory, especially in the wake of Pope Francis’s funeral. Through engaging discussions with Frank Walker and Dave Bratt, the episode underscores the urgent need for traditionalist Catholics and allied Protestant communities to reclaim their influence within the Church and broader society. The conversations highlight the internal struggles within the Church, the challenges posed by secularism and opposing religious influences, and the strategic steps needed to restore its foundational values and authority.

Listeners are encouraged to support alternative media platforms like Canon 212, engage in informed activism, and foster unity among conservative Christian groups to navigate the complexities of modern religious and political landscapes.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Hwal]

And where do people like that go.

[Frank Walker]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Hwal]

Welcome back. Hwal here at the helm filling in for Steve Bannon who's away on special assignment. Quick mention, quick shout out for Jim rickards. Rickards war room.com Go there, register, you get a free book on money gtp. And we'll be digging into those things a little later on in the show with with Dave Bratt as well. Let's go back to Frank Walker. Frank, and tell me something about your inspiration behind putting this website canon 212 together. What did you hope to achieve?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, I started volunteering with a site similar before and I was writing articles for them and I realized that the time spent on this sort of work instead of writing articles can be more influential. So I just stuck with it. It's nice to have a place where people can be more Catholic and more conservative when you consider as an alternative to what's in the media. I do it and I've been happy to see the community that's built around it and the things that we've been able to accomplish and writers and people like you who look at it, it really makes I think I like to help people like you get all the information you need to do what you do. So that's another part of it.

[Hwal]

Well, from my perspective that's 1000% the case. And I just want to underlying the point here because the War Room's philosophy is all about agency and giving the posse, our war Room posse all the information with which that they can then access, study, decide, diffuse amongst their friends on their own social media so that people in this movement can really make things happen, rather just being passive and receptive to other people's decisions and actions. I think what you're doing here with Canon 212 is absolutely important in that, especially in the Catholic, the traditionist Catholic, the conservative Catholic side of things. Because as you were saying before, if you just simply depend on the professional Catholic press, you're effectively going to be misled.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, it's gotten worse in recent years. It kind of rose with Mother Angelica. It came back after, you know, our youth, but then when she passed and then all, it kind of took over the online media and all these podcasters. And it's almost as bad as it was before now that Francis is there, because they won't address so many things are outside the Overton window. They won't address his heresies, they won't address his validity that you, if you can't, if you don't say that he's definitely absolutely Pope and there's not any questions about it, then you don't. Then you don't get a voice, you know. So, yeah, it's good to have an alternative media. And the mag, what they, you know, Politico hit you today about, about the MAGA people saying maga's not really legitimate Catholicism, it's all just Trumpism. No, it's the people, it's the regular people. And they need to have an organization and leadership and a community, because when you have a pope who's not Catholic, we just don't have that kind of community. And I like what you and the previous guests have said about alternative ways to exert power on the Church. That's always the way it's been. And Pius X, the greatest spoke of the last century was put in by a veto of the Holy Roman Emperor. Saint Ambrose back in the early church was there by a popular vote. And we need to build the church from the ground up because this is where the actual Catholics are.

[Hwal]

Tell me something then, as someone standing at the gateway of news aggregation, what do you think MAGA can do moving forward, especially within the Catholic sphere? Maga orientated Catholics, what can we do over the course of the next generation to try to make our voice known more in the governorship, the winning of the Church? I suggested on the show to Steve yesterday that really the laity ought to be in charge of appointing bishops and even the Pope itself. And I cited the fact that in the early centuries of the Church, it was the faithful of Rome by acclamation that picked the Pope. And you mentioned the case of St. Ambrose. And I've had a lot, some people, especially in the traditionalist camp, sort of pushing back on social media, saying that's really to a Protestant formulation. What's your view on that? Do you think the laity is equipped to make these decisions to do with the running of the Church, and that this medieval superstructure is doing a good enough job, or do you think actually perhaps it's time to be thinking about something new?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, I don't believe that you can have to separate power from the Church. The Church has always had power behind it since the time of Pepin and Charlemagne and the Papal States. It needs that power. It lost that power around the time of the Civil War, American Civil War, and it's been falling apart since then because now it's vulnerable to all these influences. You can see that the Church is now for sale by every evil, powerful person in the world. They do everything that they're bought and paid to do. But in the past, it wasn't like that. And so if we don't have the power, then we need to organize, you know, in a small way in our small groups, like Pope Benedict said, and we need to develop our own a hierarchy that's true and legal according to the Church. And we need to push for that, and we need to push for power behind it. And I think, you know, Trump is going a long way towards that. You see today Zelensky in a position, he almost looked like a penitent. With Trump, you see things moving together with, With. With Russia and with the United States and this kind of. And see Maloney in Italy. We need power behind, not. Not behind, you know, because we don't want it. We don't want all influences. We want pro Catholic power. And the war room and the. And the Maga movement can help create that situation and support the Church and support the ancient Mass and the faithful people.

[Hwal]

Could you just tell me a quick why did you pick the name Canon 212 for your. For your aggregator, for your website?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, a friend of mine came up with that for me. And the name, it says that you have a right to speak truth to power within the Vatican. The only thing is, it says that you need to do it respectfully, which I, you know, as you know, I don't always find so appropriate. But that's what the canon law of canon 212 means.

[Hwal]

Well, I suppose they're different. I think how you want to show respect is a prudential matter. That's my take on these things. My final question to you as a person who's sitting there looking all the news coming in, what do you think the Warren posse should be looking out for when they're seeing the headlines and the stories in the mainstream press and even perhaps in the Catholic press as well as we run up towards the conclave Are there any sort of misdirection players that you're expecting from the mainstream media that the posse should be especially looking out for?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, some people are suggesting that there may be a more. They may be shifting to the right. And even though they don't have a conclave that would shift to the right, there's nobody in there. There are very few Catholics in the conclave right now. And I think by can, a lot of that makes it not valid. Conclave. You can't expect Catholic to come out of a conclave like that. But nevertheless, the powers that be, the way they work, the pendulum swings. They want, they want, they wanted for hundreds of years the Catholic Church to have no true pope and a false pope and uncatholic pope. So the pendulum can swing. And so that might be their next thing. They try to get somebody, I say, like a Mike Pence. So watch the news. Cardinal Dolan mentioned this. Father Jerry Murray in the New York diocese mentioned that somebody more conservative. You yourself mentioned yesterday, they might be looking for somebody that can actually appeal to the actual Catholics and not everybody else but Catholics. So I would watch to see the news and I would look, try to look through the Catholic press to see what they're, you know, what they're considering. Michael Sean Winters at the Big Liberal at the National Catholic Reporter, he says that he can, he thinks that we're going to be complaining no matter who they give us. So he's very much an insider. And he, you know, if he's saying that, and then I wouldn't expect, you know, somebody that's an actual Catholic, but perhaps a little better.

[Hwal]

The national Catholic. The National Catholic Distorter. Look, just before you bounce, as you mentioned earlier, and this is an important thing about Francis's doubtful validity, can you just give me like, one minute on what you mean by that and what its implications are?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, I mean, you're not allowed to mention his validity, but it makes it very difficult. The whole concept of a pope being somebody who guides a church has been erased. Cardinal Mueller, the famous conservative cardinal, yesterday said, you're blind. If you expect popes to guide you on Catholic teaching, you should follow teaching yourself that's not Catholic. And they've erased that idea because they want us to think that it's like Democrats and Republicans. So because they would not address the many issues. Benedict, he acted like a pope. He acted like he was still Pope. He looked like a pope. Why did he step down? Why did he not? Why did he just give away the operations but still say, I'm keeping the office. How can you have a heretic be the Pope? Why could they not answer the Dubia? Why is he not corrected? Why does the Catholic press now always say that he's a Catholic when he's clearly not a Catholic in so many different obvious areas?

[Hwal]

Yeah, I just want to. I've been at the the Vatican every day this week, live from St. Peter's and the great thing about the present moment, Frank, you know what it is? The Church is openly and formally said of a countess. The Vatican. The Vatican hadn't collapsed. The dome hadn't fallen in the sky hadn't fallen in. The church continues.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's right.

[Hwal]

I just want to put that point out there.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The church, it's an underground church, but still.

[Hwal]

The Church that goes on. Why? Because we hold the faith. We, the lady, hold the faith. Frank, you're doing great work at Canon 212. I know we've been trying to get you on the show for a long, long time now. Just quickly, once again, would you go through your social media, the site especially, how can traditionalist, Catholic minded, not only Catholic, but also conservative evangelicals, how do they keep up with the essential work that you're doing?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We have so much in common with them, you know, and they don't like seeing the Church like this either. You know, we're kind of like their big brother. We need to work together to bring it back. Canon212.com is the site and at Twitter it's Canon212 written out on all words. And you can see the My Daily video update at Gloria tv, which is a great site. And at Rumble. And at my site too.

[Hwal]

Frank Walker, very, very grateful for you coming on today of all days, the papal funeral special. We'll be catching up with you again on the show sometime soon. God bless for now.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you, Ben. God bless your good work.

[Hwal]

Thank you. Look, just before we go to the break, let's just quickly bring on Dave Bratt. I know he's pushed this morning. Dave, just firstly tell me, you were listening to the previous segment there and the reference, of course, to our Protestant brethren. What's the view within your own church community on the death of Pope Francis from a Protestant perspective?

[Dave Bratt]

Well, it's very similar to the Catholic perspective. We all believe or should believe in objective truth. Right. Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one. The Jewish community, the Protestant community, Catholic community. We believe in objective truth and we have the Catholics to thank for a lot of creeds that are down on paper, starting with Nicaea and then all the rest of them in Turkey. I was just over in Constantinople, Istanbul, and was just blown away. And unfortunately, all of us need to do better to work with the Eastern Church and in unity together. But we have objective truth on our side in politics. I ran on the Republican creed. I said there's nothing wrong with the creed. The only problem is none of the Republicans keep it. And I think that's analogous to the Church. We have the creeds. We've worked for millennia with the Catholics at the, at the beginning to put this stuff on paper. And I think we need to stick to our knitting there and share that with the press, that we have objective guidelines. We're not making this up as we go. And I think that's the strongest thing we can all do together is just row in the same direction with the same content which comes from God.

[Hwal]

Hold on to that, Dave. We'll be back with you in two minutes for this Papal Funeral Special on Saturday, 26th of April. Stay tuned.

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[Hwal]

Welcome back. This is the War room papal funeral edition today. Papal funeral special. Dave Bratt, thanks for coming on today to talk about something a little bit off of your usual territory of economics. We might, we might have time to segue into that, but I want to break down what you were saying before that break and just the footage there that we watch us to put, just to explain what that was when it was seeing the remains, the casket of Pope Francis being laid there in The Basilica of St. Mary Major, one of the four major basilicas of Rome. And Dave, tell me something. As a Protestant, are you and your in your church, your community, are you a Southern Baptist? Right?

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, I'm from up north. I'm from the frozen chosen. But yeah, I'm down with the Baptist community at Liberty right now. And so it's very similar.

[Hwal]

Tell me something. Are you in any way scandalized when you see a figure like inverted commas, Pope Francis pushing this unrestricted illegal immigration agenda, this radical environmentalist agenda, the radical Marxism on the economic front, where he says repeatedly, at the root of all social evil is material inequality. We all hope one day when. I hope, we all hope one day that Christians, all Christians who share one common baptism might be in full visible communion. But when you see these things going on, are you guys just not scandalized? Because I'm scandalized when I see this going on. What's the view there? I know you're not speaking for Liberty, but what's the, what's the view there?

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, I think, I think it's very similar to you and your past guests on the show, of course, were scandalized. And, you know, I was gonna, I think the Pope, I think, is in a city called Rome, which is in a country called Italy, or if you want to get technical, whatever Vatican City, which is in Europe. And the scandal is, you know, it'd be one thing if you're hitting on all cylinders as a Catholic church or a Protestant church, but the fact is European pews are empty across the board. So if you're hitting the religion right and you're proclaiming the gospel and you've got people in the pews, you know, celebrating God's holiness and working on their own salvation and sanctification, great. And then you got misguided political views. But if all you're doing is the political views and the churches are barren, which they are, I think you gotta look in the mirror real hard and it's equal. Right. The Protestant churches in Europe are empty as well as the Catholic pews across the board. And so, yeah, everybody scandalized when you talk about just the basics, right? I mean, the Judeo Christian west, you got Moses when I was in Congress, he's the man in the pantheon, right? You got all the other great Greek and Roman leaders throughout history, but Moses is number one. The law, the law and the prophets. And so when you start off right with 10 million illegal acts and illegal immigration in the Vatican City's got walls. And it's just the common sense piece, right? And then I got the media, like you said. Axios called me the other day, and they kind of push against you with the ethics of the Judeo Christian West. And I said, will you please tell me an alternative? I'm not aware of any other moral philosophy that's even in play these days. I mean, is there a Marxist leftist thing? The left is bankrupt right now. We used to have liberals, now we got leftists. They don't believe in God. If they do, you know I'm mistaken and I apologize, but I'd love to have, have, have them make some claims about their belief in God. And if there's no God, please explain to me, dear Laugh, where you get human rights and democracy and all that.

[Hwal]

Dave, you know what? Listening to you talk, I get a spontaneous idea, right? Because you're, you're connected. You know, you're connected to, to, to Protestantism. You're a big player in the United States in that scene, in that community. The next time the Vatican is hosting some great ecumenical event, do me a favor, right? Speak to your guys when they go to Rome and tell them, make it absolutely clear to the VAT and hierarchy when you're there doing the dialogue that this conduct, this earthly left wing, modernist, progressive agenda that they're pushing so forcibly is actually scandalizing the Protestants. Not only make that message to, you know, because they're gonna, they would, they, they'll probably listen to, to you. They're certainly not gonna listen to traditionalist Catholics say this, make that argument to them, and then make that public that we went to the Vatican, to the heart of the beast, and we told them that their conduct is scandalizing to us and make that public. How about that?

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, I agree with you 100%. And, you know, it's not only scandalous to the Catholic Church and to the Protestant Church, it's scandalous to God. Right? I mean, this idea that God does not uphold nations and borders and the rule of law is just absurd on its face. No one will defend that in public. Right. It's just that we haven't owned the mainstream media. There's no one on the left. There's no one. You know, and in some ways, you know, Steve Bannon has it right. They're not going to give you the keys. Right. You know, after philosophy fell apart at about 1900 and the theory of knowledge and all that stuff, they were going after God and they failed. And they found out they can't defend knowledge or science. So then it went to deconstruction and the Marxists and Foucault and Rorty and all these guys. And their goal is to tear down the Judeo Christian West. They don't want God. They don't want God's authority. They don't want the church, they don't want the family structure. They don't want democracy. They want power. And our side keeps acting like Cub Scouts. And Bannon's had it right the whole time. Nope. We reject you. We are the inclusive folks. Right. The Axios guys asked me what I thought about the immigrants. I said legal immigrants have all the full rights accorded by the U.S. constitution that we do. Right. There's no issue there. They all have rights because they're made in the image of God. But illegal immigrants and members of folks who traffic young girls and terrible criminals? No, not at all. And that's an affront to God. Right? And so we all need to speak in unison, but I agree with you 100%. We all need to speak because no matter what tradition we're in, we're all unified in any of that, right? Trying to pursue some proximate justice at the political level.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Right.

[Dave Bratt]

The nations don't have souls. Right. Nations are Romans 13. They need to be run by the sword. And that's what's going on.

[Hwal]

Dave, you just mentioned something very important here in the debate, and I know you've got to bounce this imminently, but let me just throw this one at you before you do the imago dei, the fact that man is made in the image and likeness of God, and that's often used as an argument. Say, look, aren't we denying that in saying that illegal immigrants need to go back to their home countries? Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Is it not also the case that immigrants, illegal immigrants, remain made in the image and likeness of God when they remain in their own home countries?

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, these claims are just absurd on their face. And what we really need to show what Trump is showing, what Ban and the show and you and everybody has been showing, is if you do not have A strong United States to stand up against the true evildoers, the China ccp Putin, when he gets grandiose and won't stop killing these young boys over in Ukraine. Without the US the world is lost, particularly Europe. And so it's essential that we maintain our Christian, our Judeo Christian roots and our traditions because we have been the best thing for the world that the world's ever seen. And without us, it would be a grave loss.

[Hwal]

Dave, 10 seconds. Where do people go on social media to catch up with these incredible insights?

[Dave Bratt]

Well, that's nice of you, Ben. I just brat economics on getter and on X. I just posted on getter yesterday from Good Friday. I promised I'd post some stuff on philosophy and theology. So there's some new ideas up there. You might want to share that with the young people in your lives. And we all need to do better as a church, right? The church is the body of Christ on earth and we're supposed to be building the kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. And thanks for all you're doing for your part there, Ben. Great job, Dave.

[Hwal]

Right. I'm very, very grateful for you coming on the show today and representing the Protestant corner, if you will. So you said some very good things today on our papal burial special. God bless. Just quickly before we go to the break, Liz, your thanks for staying with us all day and for bringing on breaking down and analyzing our guests. I know you've got to go as well. Where do people go to stay up with your insights as well on social media?

[Elizabeth Yore]

I'll be posting all the time on my website, your children Y O R E. I'm everywhere on social media under Elizabeth Yore. So thank you. And I would encourage everybody to read the only whistleblower in the last 12 years, Archbishop Vigano. He posts widely. His understanding of the globalist takeover of this papacy and what's going on in the Catholic Church is invaluable. And during this last 12 years, I have to say honestly that I have learned more about the Catholic faith because I've been forced to dig deeper. And so I would encourage everybody to step into the fight and to carry on and pray deeply.

[Hwal]

Thank you so much today for joining us on the on this special. We'll definitely be catching up with you as we move now towards the conclave. God Bless. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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[Hwal]

Welcome back to our people funeral special today. My next guest has been on the show before. When I was last guest hosting Dr. Sid Lucason, who's written a number of books to do with the role of Christianity in Europe and it's declined. Sid, thanks for coming back on the show. First of all, it's Pope Francis funeral today. You were watching it. Just give me your overview before I break down some of your own analysis. What is the import to you as a Catholic, the death of this Pope?

[Frank Walker]

Yes, I think it's a new phase in global transition because the Catholic Church of course, has its roots in Europe, very strongly connected to Rome all the way going back to the Roman Empire. Whereas today you see that the budding markets for the Catholic Church basically where it finds its support, it's much more in Africa, it's much more in basically growing demography. Also in Latin America, South America, Asia. It all becomes much more interesting for the Catholic Church than Europe. So in a way, Pope Francis being a non European, being pope already marks a step towards the further globalization of the Catholic enterprise. And in a way, we're very interested to see what the new Pope will be because it can be further more a step towards the globalization of the Catholic Church. Let's say that the next Pope, for instance, would become an African. It would match well with where the Catholic Church is actually popular. It's growing, it's developing. It certainly is not in Europe. Ben.

[Hwal]

Do you as, as an analyst of these things, where do you think the, the church, what should it be looking for with regards to the Conclave? What sort of you mentioned the possibility of an African, some people are talking about an Asian I don't really see many people saying, let's have the best person for the job, which sort of indicates already the political nature of the selection of the Pope. But as an analyst, what sort of. What would your advice be in the direction it should be going in to be able to grow?

[Frank Walker]

Well, there's a saying that any religion that is married to the moors of its own time does not have a long future. So a religion, in essence, it wants something transcendent. It wants something basically eternal that appeals to the people. So I would suggest for the church to stay far away from the current memes or the current moors of, let's say the woke, the lgbtq, the climate narrative, the Mother Earth narrative, the immigration narrative. Basically the things that Pope Francis also faced a lot of criticism for during his time in the paper Papacy. Many Catholics felt that France is too much getting involved with these things that I just mentioned. It's criticism of Trump and its illegal aliens policy. Then Vance had to come in at the last moment to try and patch the relationship. Well, it's best for the church. And it also aligns with sort of its global outreach, the Church. It's a post European phenomenon. It's a global phenomenon. So the more it stays away from politics and meddling in contemporary politics and expressing strong opinions on these cultural issues such as lgbtq, LGBTQ and so on, the better it actually is for the church because then it can focus on an eternal truth rather than. Yeah, these regional political issues. That's my advice to the church.

[Hwal]

Now, I suggested yesterday on the show that the laity should be in charge of picking the Pope rather than the cardinals. And some people have pushed back on me saying that's too Protestant. Others have said, you know, that's democracy, and democracy has no traditional role in the Catholic Church. And my response to that second point is, well, if you think about it, democracy is already involved in picking the Pope. That's exactly what the College of Cardinals does when it votes for the Pope. So you have the democracy there. It's just an extremely limited and privileged franchise. As an author and analysis on these things, who's also duck, tell me about your view of the Church and the strength in the Netherlands, because by some reports, the Church isn't doing so well in the Netherlands. And that might be again, due to the conflation together of Catholicism and progressivism and two things that don't go together. Would you suggest that the Church could be stronger if the laity had a more proactive role in picking the Pope?

[Frank Walker]

Well, you're Essentially picking up two important things here in this question. First of all is the correlation between, on the one hand, democracy and on the other hand, the papacy, the Ecclesiastes. There has been a lot of discourse about this throughout the history of Western philosophy. For instance, philosophers have written saying, well, it's actually the unity of the Church that wields the ultimate authority, and the Pope is merely a representative of this Ecclesiastes of the spiritual unity of the Church. And that is one author was Marsilius of Padua who wrote about that. So if we're saying that the Pope is the representative of the spiritual union of the Church, of the Ecclesiastes, then there is certainly a role for democracy within the papacy. Of course, they tried to make the Pope infallible, and the Pope got more and more power as the Church progressed in the later centuries. But there's definitely an argument to be made here for a democratic element within the Catholic Church. Second, it's the status of the Church in the Netherlands. It has a very interesting and important discussion. As you know, the Netherlands was one of the first countries to declare its independence from the King. It goes back all the way to the Spanish King, because Protestants rebelled against the Inquisition, rebelled against the power of the Catholic Church. And ever since, the Catholics remained a very powerful and large majority within the Netherlands. So even though the Netherlands was a majority Protestant country, or at least the Protestant had all the power, when they declared themselves independent, the Catholics were still a powerful minority. And in the Netherlands, we had the four pillars. The liberal pillar, the socialist pillar, the Protestant pillar, and the Catholic pillar. And these four pillars had to cooperate to govern the country. And the Catholic Church was at the time, let's say 50 years ago, 70 years ago, was very much involved in public discussions, in discussions about morality, about politics. It really pressed a very strong stamp on the values of the society. It really pressed a strong stamp also in the rebuilding of the country. They had the Roman Red Coalition, which was coalition between Social democrats and Roman Catholics, who rebuilt the country after the Second World War. But they lost pretty much all their prestige, all the power, all their say, in a way, their moral appeal. They lost it all over the past few decades.

[Hwal]

But it's not Protestantism, neither Catholicism, which is the predominant major political religious force in the Netherlands right now. Is it. It's Islam?

[Frank Walker]

Absolutely, yeah. That's for sure. Yeah. I would say Wokeism and Islam are basically. There are a lot of Protestants and very committed Protestants in the Netherlands. I would say probably more than committed Catholics. The Catholics is so Secular in the Netherlands at this moment, that the church basically has two branches. It has its religious, spiritual branch, the Catholic Church, but also has its business brand where it manages its real estate. So that real estate is really in cities like Amsterdam, where the church used to have a very strong presence, even throughout the Spanish War of Independence, the Dutch War of Independence against the Spanish. And they kept a hold of all that real estate, and it's increased in value tremendously. It's tremendously valuable, this real estate. But the city itself is, of course, very leftist, very woke, very progressive, even very Islamic. So that explains why the Church does not want to get involved in all these moral discussions about, say, Islam, immigration, identity, lgbtq. Because it's sitting on a lot of real estate that's really valuable, and they can get a lot more out of that if they just stay quiet and don't cause too much outrage and cause too much negative press. So that also explains kind of the absence of the Catholic Church in the big political discussions in the Netherlands and the social matter.

[Hwal]

Okay, so having laid out that position just in a couple, because I know you have to bounce just in a couple of minutes, while you're still here with us, what is your lesson as a Dutchman living in the Netherlands writing on the role of Christianity in your. What is the lesson, the one lesson that you would communicate to Americans? Because in America, the Christian, Christian, there is a sense of Christian vibrancy, specifically, I think, within the larger Protestant majority of the country that has had a positive role, I think, on American Catholics to up their game. But what's your fundamental lesson from, you know, and right across continental Europe, we are losing the battle against secularism and against Islam. What is your one lesson from what you have observed, what have you studied to Americans listening to the show today?

[Frank Walker]

My lesson to the Americans is definitely to count your blessings, because you have to keep in mind that immigration in the US Is controversial. It's a problem, but it's still a majority Catholic immigration. It's mainly an immigration coming from Mexico, from Latin America, from South America, which is still Catholic. So there is an opportunity to bind with those new Americans, with those migrants through Catholic values. Even if it's watered down secular Catholicism, there is still a connection there. Whereas the immigration in Europe, it's coming from Maghreb countries, it's coming from Middle east, it's coming from Africa, it's coming from mainly Islamic forces. Islam is the main immigration in Europe. So for us, we have a big problem, really, because Islam is going to be the dominant religion in 20 years it's going to be equally big as Protestantism. It was a new report released a few weeks ago. So for the US there is still a chance to bind and connect with your immigrants through Catholic values. Whereas in Europe, yeah, we're basically going to into a cultural clash with Islam and how it can be incorporated within our secular framework, which is going to give a lot of clashes between Wokeism and Islam. On the other hand, with national conservatism being crushed in the middle. And my new book, what the World Can Learn from the Fall of the west, released by Academica, will go deeper into this question.

[Hwal]

Where is that available?

[Frank Walker]

Not yet, but it's going to be out in a few months. My deadline for the manuscript is actually this week and the manuscript is pretty much complete and it's going to be published at Academica and the title is what the World Can Learn from the Fall of the west.

[Hwal]

And where will it be, Sid? Where will it be available on Amazon, probably in English.

[Frank Walker]

Yes, it's my first book that's written integrally in English from start to finish. And Dr. Edward Dutton wrote a forward for the manuscript, the jolly heretic.

[Hwal]

Dr. Sid Lucas. And thank you very much for coming on the show today. Just briefly. My pleasure. Where people go. Thanks for coming back. Where do people go on social media to stay up to date with your analysis? I have to say it's being an international correspondent based here in Europe. I do look at what you. What you're putting out and it is absolutely superb.

[Frank Walker]

Thank you. Thank you very much. With my ex, I sent my X account to you in. In an SMS message that says X said Lucas, double K, double S. That's where they can follow me.

[Hwal]

And your box.

[Frank Walker]

The newsletter is where you can that. Yeah, that's some of my books here. You see, Ger Kongs and Zylebauer is literally the builders of the church and the builders of the column.

[Hwal]

Dr. Sid Luperson, thanks very much. Catch up with you on the show. God bless. For now.

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[Hwal]

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[Hwal]

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