Episode 4458: CCP Capture Of Legacy Media

Summary

Bannon’s War Room Episode 4458: CCP Capture Of Legacy Media Release Date: May 2, 2025

Introduction

In Episode 4458 of Bannon’s War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves deep into the pervasive influence of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) on legacy media in the United States. The episode features insightful discussions with political analysts, economic experts, and media insiders who analyze the strategies employed by the CCP to sway public opinion and undermine American institutions. Key themes include the ongoing battle against the "deep state," the impact of CCP infiltration on traditional media outlets, and the broader geopolitical shifts threatening U.S. supremacy.

Economic Update: Resilient Job Market and China Negotiations [00:00 – 05:15]

The episode begins with an analysis of the recent U.S. jobs report, highlighting a robust labor market with the unemployment rate steady at a historically low 4.2%. Christine Romans, NBC News Senior Business Correspondent, explains, “They were resilient. They were decent. I mean, I'm telling you, we've been so worried about this economy showing signs of cracks” (02:20). Despite concerns about potential federal layoffs, the job market remains strong, suggesting a stable economic foundation amidst global uncertainties.

Simultaneously, discussions turn to the dynamics of U.S.-China relations. Christine Romans elaborates on China’s reduced activity in trade fairs, indicating possible openings for renewed negotiations: “If you understand that the frameworks are already there, it's not just China, it's countries around the world that have trade relationships with the United States” (03:37). This slowdown could signify a strategic pivot by both nations towards more constructive engagement, though underlying tensions persist.

Trump’s Campaign Against Legacy Media and the Deep State [05:15 – 16:12]

Stephen Bannon fervently critiques President Trump’s aggressive stance against legacy media, including NPR and PBS. Highlighting Trump’s executive order aimed at cutting federal funding for these outlets, Bannon declares, “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people” (06:02). He accuses the media of lying about the American people and asserts that the public is increasingly rejecting biased narratives.

Bannon extends his critique to broader institutions, including private universities, law firms, and government agencies like the CIA and FBI. He emphasizes the need for a comprehensive dismantling of the "deep state," advocating for significant budget cuts and restructuring: “These, these billets are not filled with new personnel... It's a gradualist” (06:24). Bannon warns that these measures are just the beginning of a concerted effort to purge entrenched elites and restore accountability.

CCP’s Influence on Legacy Media: Insights from Natalie Winters [16:12 – 38:25]

Natalie Winters joins the discussion to shed light on CCP’s successful infiltration of Western legacy media. She asserts, “They have infiltrated every single country in the entire world from the entire United Front work department” (17:00). Winters highlights how organizations like the China United States Exchange Foundation have orchestrated favorable coverage for the CCP by funding journalists to disseminate pro-China narratives.

The conversation delves into specific instances of media bias, with Winters recounting her experience interviewing a Channel 4 journalist who failed to challenge her on critical issues such as Chinese slave labor. She states, “It speaks to the capture of legacy media by the Chinese Communist Party” (23:18). Winters underscores the urgent need to expose and counteract these propaganda efforts to preserve journalistic integrity and national security.

Geopolitical Shifts: BRICS and De-Dollarization Efforts [38:25 – 48:29]

Bannon and his guests explore the strategic maneuvers of the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) aiming to undermine the U.S. dollar’s global dominance. They discuss the potential ramifications of de-dollarization, emphasizing that the CCP is actively collaborating with BRICS to create alternative financial systems: “They are looking to de-dollarize and come up with some basket of currencies essentially around the Chinese yuan” (30:11).

This geopolitical realignment poses significant threats to the U.S. economy, potentially leading to financial instability and reduced global influence. Bannon warns listeners to stay informed and prepared for the economic turbulence that may ensue: “The real reset... is something that is going on... it's not too late for you” (52:02).

Interview with Archbishop Vigano: Moral and Spiritual Dimensions [41:09 – 50:54]

A pivotal segment features an exclusive interview with Archbishop Vigano, where he articulates the moral and spiritual crises facing the United States. When asked about the greatest threat to America, Vigano responds, “Only a nation that recognizes itself under God can hope to prosper” (43:11). He emphasizes the necessity of rebuilding societal foundations based on family, morality, religion, and culture to counteract the pervasive influence of "woke ideology."

Vigano criticizes the lack of cohesion between the U.S. government and the Catholic Church, advocating for a united front to reclaim Western civilization from what he perceives as destructive forces. Bannon and Liz Wheeler applaud Vigano’s insights, highlighting the alignment between religious perseverance and national resilience: “He knows the secret agenda... They are forging ahead and this is really a call to action” (50:54).

Budget Cuts to the Intelligence Community: An Incomplete Purge [48:29 – 52:02]

Returning to the topic of governmental restructuring, Bannon critiques the recent budget cuts to the CIA and other intelligence agencies, arguing that they are insufficient to dismantle the deep state. He states, “1200 people out of the 22,000... it's just burning off. You're not filling the billets as the guys require retire” (25:57). Bannon calls for more aggressive measures to ensure that no individuals within these agencies are sympathetic to the MAGA movement or contrary to President Trump’s agenda.

Natalie Winters reinforces this stance by questioning the effectiveness of the current approach, emphasizing the need for more profound changes to prevent further entrenchment of anti-American elements within national security structures.

Conclusion

Episode 4458 of Bannon’s War Room presents a comprehensive critique of both internal and external threats to American sovereignty and societal integrity. Through incisive discussions and expert interviews, Stephen Bannon and his guests unveil the multifaceted strategies employed by the CCP to capture legacy media and destabilize U.S. institutions. The episode serves as a clarion call for Americans to recognize these encroachments and take decisive action to preserve national values, economic stability, and cultural dominance.

Notable Quotes

• Stephen Bannon: “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.” (06:02)

• Christine Romans: “They were resilient. They were decent. I mean, I'm telling you, we've been so worried about this economy showing signs of cracks.” (02:20)

• Natalie Winters: “They have infiltrated every single country in the entire world from the United Front work department.” (17:00)

• Archbishop Vigano: “Only a nation that recognizes itself under God can hope to prosper.” (43:11)

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

See, I'll get you. Oh, that's his. Oh, that's. Yes, yes. We'll put this up on War room. Oh, yeah. Golf of America is amazing. I'll send you. You're by the way, Mad Dog, your producer. Your producer gets the best clips ever. Just amazing how the best.

[Natalie Winters]

Quick, quick.

[Christine Romans]

Control room shot.

[Steve Bannon]

Quick, quick, quick. Hurry up.

[Chip Roy]

There they are.

[Christine Romans]

There's.

[Steve Bannon]

Look at that right there. There they are. Hey, Ben, have a great weekend.

[Chip Roy]

Have a great show, brother.

[Steve Bannon]

Talk to you Monday. Bowling, it was great to see you this week. A big week here in D.C. in the Imperial capital and down in Palm Beach. Thank you, sir. Apprec. Great weekend. You, too. Okay, a lot to get to. We're going to Natalie about updates at the White House. Liz, yours is going to join us. Chip Roy, budget, economics, national security, all of it. Ashley Babbitt. I believe the government's about to announce a deal with Ashley Babbitt. They've, they've at least the civil part of this has been. It looks like he's been rectified. We're going to try to get details of all that. We got a great cold open. Let's go ahead and let it rip.

[Unknown Speaker]

Graduates of the Alabama Class of 2025 standing here before you in this magnificent arena, it is clear to see the next chapter of the American story will not be written by the Harvard Crimson. It will be written by you, the Crimson Tide.

[Liz Wheeler]

True.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's tr. That's true. I thought that was rather clever. If you look at what's going on, you know, they get their $5 billion a year. That is not going to be so forthcoming. Now can you. Wasn't that a clever one, though? Who would think of that?

[John Nichols]

Because this the markets are on an upswing today, reacting to news of a better than expected jobs report and signals from Beijing that China might be open to one day maybe engaging in trade talks with the United States. Joining us now, NBC News senior business correspondent Christine Romans and national affairs correspondent for the nation, John Nichols. All right, jobs numbers, explain them to me, please.

[Unknown Speaker]

They were resilient. They were decent. I mean, I'm telling you, we've been so worried about this economy showing signs of cracks. The labor market has been a steady, consistent performer for the past few years. Now, these aren't the gangbusters job numbers that we saw maybe a year or two ago, but they're still good 100. That's enough jobs created to keep the unemployment rate right there at a historically low 4.2%. I did see some, some federal job Layoffs in here. We'll see more of those in the months ahead.

[John Nichols]

And this is not like a summer jump for summer jobs and summer retail or summer whatever.

[Unknown Speaker]

Not yet. And we are just on the cusp of whatever. So this jobs report like survey period was the week after so called Liberation Day. So, you know, I don't think there was a bunch of firing because of worries about layoffs or about tariffs that were in this number that would happen later in the summer.

[John Nichols]

A big product fair in China and how it's less busy than usual. This is where American, a lot of American businesses or retailers would go to pick out their products that they'd sell to the American consumer over the year. And it's, you know, it's not as busy as it normally is because America was a giant customer for China and Chinese goods. Does that mean that we are maybe in a decent negotiating position with China?

[Christine Romans]

We're always in a negotiating position. The question of whether it's decent or indecent is sort of in the eye of the beholder. One thing to understand, the United States and China have been negotiating on trade for 50 years or more. And it's, it's often been very intensive. Even now there are, you know, there are people who communicate with each other every day. And so when you look at the, at a trade fair or something like that, you are seeing anticipation of the future. The anticipation of the future at this point is a little bit shaky because, you know, people are scared, they're uncertain. And uncertainty, you know, affects all of this. But at the end of the day, that's also something that brings people in to the negotiating table. And my sense is that, you know, if you understand that the frameworks are already there, it's not just China, it's countries around the world that have trade relationships with the United States and many of those countries. I've talked to people around the world. I was just in Europe. People are saying, you know, look, we're ready to walk up to that table and say, here's what we've got right now, we'd like to continue it. Do you want to alter it some, how would we do that, etc. It's the same with the Chinese. So I'm always a little skeptical when they say, oh, China has indicated that they're willing to negotiate. China's always willing to negotiate. It's just a question of what you get in that negotiation right now because of the tension. I think there's a lot of desire certainly on the side of the Chinese, maybe also on the side of the United States to get something that calms it down and gets those trade fairs much busier.

[John Nichols]

President Trump is trying to strong arm public broadcasting, signing an executive order yesterday aimed at cutting federal funding for NPR and pbs, arguing that they are left wing propaganda. His words. In response, NPR called the order an affront to the First Amendment. The President has been trying to limit or intimidate institutions whose speech he does not agree with for months now, going after private universities like Harvard and Columbia, other media companies like NBC, ABC and cnn, cbs, law firms who don't bring cases, who bring cases he does not agree with, and even individuals who have spoken truths he would rather not accept, like his former SISA head Chris Krebs, who said the 2020 election was fair.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Natalie Winters]

And where do people like that go.

[Steve Bannon]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's Friday the 2nd of May, year of our Lord 2025. As just as we are coming on a story breaking in the Washington Post, that would be the Jeff Bezos, Amazon Democracy Dies in Darkness. Washington Post that President Trump. Their headline, President Trump plans significant or deep cuts into the Intelligence community, starting with the CIA. It's being reported that 1200 CIA personnel out of approximately 22,000. Because I think that's actually a classified number, but the public number they talk about is 22,000, 1200. Ratcliffe's putting forward a plan mainly not so much mass firings as really are buyouts. It looks like just attrition as people retire and let go. These, these billets are not filled with new personnel. Like I said, all of these are kind of good first starts. You got to start somewhere. But obviously the CIA and the FBI, the process of really restructuring these doesn't, you know, we're not, we're not taking a maximalist position out of the gate. It's a gradualist. Number one, an FBI looks like nothing's happened or the hairs. I think I hear there's a thousand guys been let go, but I think it's more of this kind of they're let go over time as their contracts come expired, both the FBI, doj, the intelligence community across the board need a massive restructuring. I'm gonna go back and harp on what I harped on this morning. We're burning daylight. You need a massive restructuring of the administrative state and the, in a. Eradication of the deep state. Eradication of the deep state. I haven't seen any names come to the CIA being investigated. Haven't seen anybody. Perp walked out of the CIA. Are you kidding me? Given what the CIA has done over the last four years, over many decades, but particularly the last four years under Biden or the FBI or the Justice Department. And there's not mass firings, there's not mass arrest, there's not a fundamental, you know, put the fear of God in them restructuring. The same intensity we're bringing to the law firms, the same intensity you're bringing to the universities. The same intensity you're bringing to the, to the broadcast media and cable. And there is intensity and purpose and intention. What do they all, what do all these have in common? They all have one thing in common. No, evil is not the answer. That's, that's obviously in common, but not evil. No, they're all at the public trough. Why do you have leverage over the law firms you put in there? We're cutting, we're taking your security clearances. We are taking you. You're not going to have any clients or of any clients have government contracts. Oh, by the way, if any of your, if any people still retain you, their government contracts are going to go boom. Paul Weiss surrenders in 24 hours. The toughest of the tough. Then Scadden Arps every falls in line. Plus they throw in Scaddin arps throws in $100 million of pro bono work. The law firms are creating non stop and you get a couple putting up a fight. But that's a rear guard action. The universities Columbia completely created. Harvard's going to crater. And Harvard, they haven't been tough enough. They're taking away the tax free status today, are putting that in motion. But they haven't cut off all the government grants. And government funds should be cut off immediately. I don't care if it's seven or eight billion dollars. I don't care if it's cancer. You know, the cure of cancer research. It'll get back as soon as you as soon as you do what we want you to do because we're paying for it. And if you don't want to hear what we have to say, then fine, don't take the money. That's good. Then run it yourself. Do it yourself. Do what Hillsdale does. Larry Arne doesn't have to listen to this because he doesn't take any government money. That's fine. Be independent. This is why now it's all, you know, people, their heads are all blowing up. Bannon saying you got to take on the. Yeah, the public Ivies. University of Michigan, University of Wisconsin, University of Virginia, University of North Carolina, Berkeley. University of California, Los Angeles. Let's throw in University Arizona. You know, you don't have to touch the SEC schools. They're already pretty square, right? But hey, let's go to University of Florida. They brag about being the Harvard of the. The sec. Let's, let's go. They get, they, they got some woke down there. Let's do it. And don't put the burden on the Jewish kids. It's. It's much, it's deeper than anti Semitism. Anti Semitism is terrible. And that is clearly one major element. But that's not it. It's their neo Marxist, anti American. They hate this country. And fine, you can hate on it all you want as long as not taking government money or in this institution taking government money. If you're going to do that, you're going to go, right? You got to go or no more money. Just cut the money off. How's Michigan going to finance University of Michigan? They're not citizens of Michigan. Can't. What about Wisconsin? Can't do that. So you got them between a rock and a hard place and cut the tax exempt status. All you're doing there is underwriting the wealthy. That's just underwriting the wealthy. And the elites. Why do it? Why do it on your nickel when they hate you, they detest you. Why do it? These the same with these agencies. They're all. What you do is you cut off the money. Cut it. Let's have a 50% budget cut. Hell, Mike, the way to get to the judiciary, the start. What does Mike Davis recommend? What's his first recommendation? House Judiciary should take the budget from $10 billion to 8. Cut $2 billion right off the bat, cut it off. It's all your money. It's what ties the whole system together, have you noticed? Is cash money from the federal government. And that would be from you who they're playing for suckers. You're being played for suckers. You underwrite all this hate on you. Think about that for a second. Step back. Trump's the first guy say, hey, how about this? No money. Bill Maher calls it new rules. New rule. You hating on maga, you hating on working class. You hating on the middle class. You hate America. You hate the Judeo Christian West. You hate all the values of this great country. Fine, it's a free country, but we don't have to pay for it. And what is PBS calling for? First Amendment. What does First Amendment got to do with this? Dude, go have your First Amendment anywhere. We're cutting you off for money. Taxpayer money. The taxpayer money. It's a First Amendment. No. You can go say anything you want. You can go do anything you want. Pbs, npr, you're all free. Go do it. You're not going to get government funding to do it. That's all going to get cut off. And take this down to the statutory, you know, minimums. Go out in the street and do your First Amendment, baby. Go for it. Go be talking smack. Smack talk. It's great. We're just not going to pay for your smack talk. You notice how you get all their attention, that they ain't so touched. Tough when they don't have access to your money. It's like the Catholic bishops. Oh, we support the migrant. We support the other. You people are all nativist. You owe people all xenophones. As soon as you cut Catholic cherries off the billions you give them, they come back after 50 years of a program of 50 years of program to help the other. We've decided upon, you know, deep reflection, thought and prayer. Bs. The money got cut off, right? And you don't, you don't have enough now because you're not teaching Catholicism. So people have cut you off in the second collection. You're barely hanging on and all sudden you can't do it unless you get taxpayer money to guess what? Invade the country. That's logical. Cut all their money off. All of it. Not some of it, all of it. The only thing these people understand is smash mouth. The only thing they understand is smash mouth. Cut the money off. Back in a moment in the war room. You don't go out and buy a life jacket when the boat is already sinking. And you don't buy gold when the economy has already collapsed. Clearly others are heeding this advice as gold hit an all time high the first part of 2025, multiple times. It's not too late for you. The company I trust to help you diversify into physical gold Is Birch Gold the company I buy my gold from. Birch Gold specializes in helping you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold for no money out of pocket. Just listen to this five star review, quote knowledgeable, helpful, non pressure, end quote. 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[Natalie Winters]

But we're working to those global elites tell me why President Trump has now won three elections on campaigning three on the idea that the current system, the status quo does not work.

[Unknown Speaker]

Really interesting just on the three elections. I mean he won two elections and people believe that, you know, that the election in 2020, he still believes that that was rigged. That is not. That is not true, is it? I mean let's be honest.

[Natalie Winters]

2020 election, three elections, maybe four. Steve Bannon says 2028.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay. What do you think?

[Natalie Winters]

Supremacy? I think we've done more to destroy the hegemony of the United States dollar by allowing China into the wto, allowing the Chinese Communist Party to rise. Even the idea of stealing, what is it, Russian assets and giving it other.

[Unknown Speaker]

Countries will rise up. You know, the world is not just made for America by.

[Natalie Winters]

I think you and I are both smart enough to admit that China's rise to not occur in a vacuum. It happened due to decades of very elite multibillion dollar political warfare operations. Buying off elites in my country and yours, favorable trade deals, they enter the wto, they manipulate all that stuff. Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

But it's not just that they've gamed the system, but they're all incredibly hardworking and they're really smart. And I think that's something that America sometimes misses when it looks at China. Yes, China is the system, but China's also got there to a large extent by its own merit. That doesn't say you want to.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, when you say by its own merit, I think you also mean by slave labor and repressing China.

[Unknown Speaker]

But there's all that too.

[Natalie Winters]

I think that's a euphemistic spin for why China's risk.

[Unknown Speaker]

There's all that too. But then the Reason why they're the world's second largest superpower. Second richest economy, soon to be the richest, is not just because of those Uyghur, you know, the camps, those concentration councilmen. It's also because they work hard. They, you know, have turned good ideas into good businesses.

[Natalie Winters]

15 cents a day. No, they are. They are where they are.

[Unknown Speaker]

The wage levels have gone up because.

[Natalie Winters]

They have absolutely infiltrated every single country in the entire world from the United Front work department. They've obviously targeted West Western, Western elites. That's why you see the apoplexy over what's gone on with the tariffs. It's why they launched the Belt and Road. It's why they launched made in China 2025. It's why they have all their goals that can culminate in 2030 to be essentially the new global superpower. And what Trump is doing is pushing back, because if you don't, they will take over. They already have. And I'm sorry, I would think a press corps that is so for open borders and mass migration and the idea that the American working class needs to compete with a bunch of foreign labor, that they would be able to handle a few new media journalists plopped in there and their beautiful building that's hidden behind walls and you need ID to get in. I've heard all their rhetoric and narratives about that, how that's racist and inefficient. So I think that they should be able to handle a few new media people. Who in there would you point to and say is unbiased? What outlet do you think I should model myself after in terms of not having a bias? But I'm serious. What outlet in there do you think is actually unbiased? If there are any.

[Unknown Speaker]

I couldn't possibly comment. It's been really interesting talking to you.

[Natalie Winters]

And you're not scared?

[Unknown Speaker]

No, no, I'm terrified.

[Steve Bannon]

That was. What did I just watch? The. The brother got a standing 8 count at the first. Natalie, that's just not fair. That's not fair. You can't. You can't be eviscerating. So what. What did we just say? What was that?

[Natalie Winters]

That's one of Britain's largest broadcasters. That's Channel four. We sat down for an extended podcast. I think maybe they had taken the Daily Mail depiction of who Natalie Winters is, so they thought they were going to have a walk in the park. But it was really nice to be able to sit down with, I think, a journalist who represents the sort of globalist legacy media that we talk about. And every single issue that he tried to confront me on, whether it was trade, the economy, the rise of China, immigration, new media, things that we talk about on this show. And even the stuff that they cut from the interview, they had absolutely no comeback to it. It was as if they had never heard it before. Always an honor for the legacy media people to invite us on, though. I think I'm slowly realizing why they don't do it too much.

[Steve Bannon]

No, no, no. This, this is incredibly serious is what shocked me. I mean, Channel 4 is, you know, outside of BBC, arguably the most prominent, right? Or one of the most prominent in all the United Kingdom. It seemed to me he had no basic. And this, you see this across the mainstream media. And I say they're actors. They're not even, forget journalists. They're not. They don't really know anything. They. It's like they have never. It'd be like a new audience member coming to war room and watching it for the first time. You kind of confused this nomenclature. And what are these guys talking about? This guy had no earthy idea on any topic. He asked a question. They just got their standard snarky. They had. They made a fundamental mistake. They forgot the part about you that you went to the University of Chicago in one of the top prep schools in the country. You're a top student. You've been grinding as a, as an intern in deep research and investigative reporting since you were 17 years old. And you know these verticals better than anyone except for maybe a Hill staffer or two on their specific thing. You know, it on 50 on these topics. He just was not prepared. He was not prepped for that interview. They thought they were going to come in and just blow you out of the water because they're looking at the pictures in the Daily Mail. They clearly didn't get it. This was in normal times, in olden days, that would be a career killer for that guy. A career killer. He was totally unprepared. He had no, he had no follow up. Every time you're just up in his face, you're in his grill. Just bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, with facts and details and interconnection.

[Natalie Winters]

I mean, we essentially got to defend the Xinjiang concentration camps multiple times. That was his argument. The reason why China is dominating the United States is because they have forced labor. And by the way, Steve, this is not just some like random one off, I think thought that plagues the legacy media. I've been getting attacked all day on X. People who work at the Atlantic, the New Yorker, saying that My take on Chinese slave labor was extremely reductive and that apparently the Chinese people actually have free will to choose where they want to work for. Sorry, maybe not 15 cents a day, maybe 16 cents a day. It's absolutely absurd. But frankly, Steve, I think it speaks to the capture of legacy media by the Chinese Communist Party. You know, that's what I got my roots in. And these people fundamentally have taken the Chinese Communist Party propaganda spin that the rise of China is some economic miracle rooted in that country being fantastic and their unique economic model, when in reality it's just been more of a result. Right. They treat it like you always say the first law of thermodynamics. It's not and it never has been. And it's just interesting to see these worldviews come into contact because I think they rarely do.

[Steve Bannon]

No, I want to go. Let's go to Twitter for a second because it is in this show. Myself personally, because of my leadership in the anti CCP movement. You, because you were attracted to come and do this type of work as a teenager because you saw the benefit in doing the work that would ultimately lead to the Chinese people, Lao Bajing, earning their own freedom. Nobody has higher respect for the workers in China, but it is a slave labor camp, right? And so all this stuff from the Atlanta, the Atlantic and all these, and all this stuff is that they so miss the point about what's going on in China. And it can't be because they're dumb. It has to be something else. Natalie Winner, your thoughts?

[Natalie Winters]

Well, of course it is. And I think you see it, whether the issue is the origins of COVID or in this case the economic and trade model put forth by the Chinese Communist Party, they will always run cover for the prc because the original sin of the globalist economic model, which these people are the Praetorian Guard for, rests upon the Lao, Beijing, the Chinese people getting paid essentially nothing and being treated like modern day slaves. Right? That's why you can never have a real hashing out of the true origins of COVID and blame the Chinese Communist Party. It's not just that we would demand reparations from them, that would be 0.001% of what we deserve from them. When you look at the atrocities and crimes that they've committed, economic information, psychological lawfare and otherwise. But to that point, one of the key vectors that the Chinese Communist Party has infiltrated, and frankly, you're seeing it happen right now at industrial scale, is the legacy media. Right? You see it in their defense or Rather attacks and criticisms on the tariffs. But one of the first stories that I think I ever came on War Room to actually discuss was how a group called the China United States Exchange foundation, one of these proxy communist influence groups, was paying to take journalists from all these Western outlets overseas to China in exchange, and I quote, for favorable coverage and to, quote, disseminate positive messages. The CCP is radioactive. When you enter their influence orbit, you're toxic. You never get relinquished. You never can leave. And that's why we need to subpoena the names of the lobbying firms and the people who got involved in these operations, all the way from Hill staffers to think tankers to academics, you name it, politicians. Because that's how you undo what is probably the original sin of America's political ruling class. And that is not just the elite compromise, but the elite merger, which is something that we've been talking about for how long.

[Steve Bannon]

There's so much else going on in addition to this, the budget cuts, etc. Talk to me about budget cuts, which I just announced. The CIA, Radcliffe took a cut. Now it's 1200 people out of the 22,000. It's over time. They're just not taking meat axes to the deep state. You've got some other, you've done some other quick and dirty analysis I also want to announce. And later, we'll do it after the break. But if you go to Citizens Free Press, people should know, you know, Cain is one of the smartest guys I've ever met. Not just is he a news freak, this guy is very, very smart. Cain is obsessed with government spending, has been. This is how he got involved in this business many years ago. This morning when the budget came out, he had the rented green headlines, which he does for like, hey, pay attention. This is a big deal. They were stunning. How he rolled down and how it kind of built. I reached out to Kane. I said, look, you and I got to talk about this to the posse. He goes, yes. So Kane is going to be on the war room tomorrow morning. I'm going to figure out how we're going to do it. So it's, it's, it's, it's very, very important. I tell you what, Natalie, you hang on. I want to go through. You've taken, you've, you've highlighted some things to me about this budget. Also, there's some other nefarious characters that we have to out here in the war room on a Friday afternoon to put on people's, put on people's radars. How's that sound the Rio Reset I had a very interesting conversation with some folks from Brazil, excuse me, from India this afternoon. Wanted to assure that on the BRICS nations they see what's happening and how it's rolling down at the Rio Reset they they are not going to be part of this de dollarization but they said it is so active that the Chinese Communist party working with other the BRICS nations are looking to de dollarize and come up with some basket of currencies essentially around the Chinese yuan right Some gold back but there's something going on. The real reset. Birchgold.com Bannon the End of the Dollar Empire the seventh free installment. Get it today. Another day, another breaking news story buried. They rather talk about anything else than what's really going on. It's not because they don't know what's happening. The media pundits and talking heads just don't want to pay any attention to it and they particularly don't want you paying any attention to it. The real stories you have to look beyond the headlines for them. You know the truth is being covered up. Prepare for what will come with my patriot supply. Since 2008 my patriot supply has helped millions of Americans get ready for the worst. Today their best selling three month emergency food kits are flying off the shelves. Get yours right now at the website my patriotsupply.com this food kit offers over 2000 calories per day plus with ultra durable four layer packaging. It lasts up to 25 years. Let me repeat that. It lasts up to 25 years. Order all the kits you need for $200 off each free shipping included. You've been warned about what can happen. Don't live in fear. Take back control of your future because this isn't just food. It's freedom. Stock up on these food kits@my patriotsupply.com that's my patriotsupply.com Action action action. Here's your host Stephen K. Ban. So okay Liz your is going to join us in a moment and we have something quite explosive and exclusive to War Room. We've just put it up on the site and Grayson Morgan pushing out but it's quite explosive. An interview I did with an individual where I was asking the question questions I gained the questions asked. You're in Liz, you and I are going to break it down for you. Natalie Buried leach. Your specialty is the buried lead particularly your specialties the buried lead in places like the Washington Post where you know the or the Langley Bugle calls it the article in the CIA your initial Thoughts, ma'am?

[Natalie Winters]

Well, I'll just read the Washington Post. Quote, reduce the CIA's workforce by about 1200 personnel, key part here over several years. And cut thousands more from other parts of the US Intelligence community. Not specifying exactly where or even frankly how many thousands. But I think the worst part of this article, Steve, is that it's going to be, quote, accomplished in part through reduced hiring. No outright firings are even envisioned. The goal of a roughly 1200 person staff reduction includes several hundred individuals who already have opted for early retirement. You're telling me there's not at least one person in the CIA who's not essentially already out the door who is somehow involved in targeting the MAGA movement? Frankly, you can go all the way back to the Tea Party movement. Anyone who's been part of the populist right. Not even just here at home domestically. But I'd extend that critique all the way out to the ascendant global populist movement. Brazil, Hungary, Eastern Europe, you name it. I think that's extremely unacceptable. Counterpoint, we are seeing movement from President Trump on the CISA vector. Everything that that hotbed of disinformation was to get rid of that and the new funding package. But of course there's always resistance to that. And frankly, I don't have a lot of faith in Congressional Republicans given that they couldn't even hold a vote to tank Joe Biden's CISA director, Jenny Easterly salary to $0.

[Steve Bannon]

And so we're beginning in this with Cain tomorrow. And then obviously every day, you know, first off, you got to cut the spending, the things that are so insanely out of control. Number two, you have to cut in the right places. But the deep state has to be choked off 1200 over years and really it's just burning off. You're not filling the billets as the guys require retire. Natalie's point, that's just not good enough. And you know in cisa and you're going to see they're going to on Capitol Hill, they're going to fight President Trump on this. So we're in for it, folks. So to get ready to man up because next week, in the weeks thereafter going to be very tough. You also we mentioned he talks about something and first you thought maybe it wasn't as big a deal. I actually think it's a huge deal. And this goes back to we've had two monumental or actually many monumental events in the 250th anniversary, which is so rare how many countries are even around for 250 years we are commemorating and celebrating our revolution, which is the basic DNA of the United States. We're a revolutionary country. We broke off from imperial powers that says everything you want to know about a people and succeeded and then built the greatest country in the history of the earth on St. John's Church. You know, that was not really done, I don't think properly. And one of the reasons Governor Youngkin was basically swarmed by these crazy lefties, progressives that hate America. Right afterwards, in St. John's Church, right inside the church, there was no senior representation from President Trump's administration at Lexington and Concord. One of the most important one in the top five most important events in the history of the country, the shot heard around the world, Lexington Common and in Concord Bridge, that's the beginning of it. And the reason, one of the reasons is they couldn't be security. And these were all run by these kind of left wing local organizations. Natalie, walk me through what happened today. There's a chairman, I'm kind of confused about the details. I want you to walk me through it. But we got to start clearing out these progressives out of things. They got to be cleared out. You got to clear them all out and then restock it with maga. What happened in this regard?

[Natalie Winters]

Yeah, cleared out, smoked out, turfed out, all of the above, especially when it comes to the America 250 Commission, which, like you said, is planning America's 250th anniversary birthday celebration. So the person who is not just a member of this commission, but believe it or not, the chair is a gal by the name of Rosie Rios, someone who worked in the Obama administration and someone who I have put out a thread. It's gone mega viral. A couple senators are actively drafting a letter getting it to President Trump's desk to hopefully undesignate her as chair, maybe potentially remove her from the commission in whole. But I'll read you her quotes. I would have played the videos, but but they were delivered in Spanish and I guess since English is now the official language of America, I won't do that to the warm audience. But this is someone who thinks Mexico is, quote, more her country than the United States is. She believes Mexicans, quote, are the future of America, hates border walls and thinks, quote, nothing good can come from Trump. She was celebrating how Mexican born people will overtake US born citizens demographically, all the way back in 2015, insisting that, quote, it's not our geography that defines us. Again, I am as much Mexican as I am American. We are the same blood. California, where I was born and raised, was Mexico. People tend to forget that we are in the same land and that was Mexico. She's even attacked President Trump directly, saying that his rhetoric is demonizing and very difficult to hear, advocating for her fellow Mexicans and Mexicans, Mexican Americans, to keep actively opposing him. She also said that, quote, mexican born people have a pride and effort and instinct to survive, that there is nowhere else in the world, and that no one has more passion than the Mexican people. And she hopes that everyone, especially in the United States, recognizes that. She also lamented, again, attacking Trump, saying that it's a shame there are no leaders in the US that can defend the Mexican. I think I'm going to return to Mexico. Much more here. I feel at home. She even refers to Mexico repeatedly as her country, insisting, quote, my blood is here. There's no wall that can separate that quote. I can't choose between the two countries. I'm part of both. I was born in California, but California used to be part of Mexico, so the blood is the same. I don't know about you, Steve. I think the person who's chairing America's 250th commission should be able to proudly say, I am an American. I love this country. It's my own country that I have allegiance to. I can't believe that that's something I even have to say, let alone someone who worked under Obama. And if you can see the thread on screen, the pictures of her speaking at a La Raza event, so that tells you all you need to know about her. Our audience should frankly call your senators. I know Senator Schmidt and Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri and Senator Mike Lee of Utah have really been advocating for this. So you can call them, make sure they double down on their letters, but even call your senators and make sure that we get this very radical, like I said, radical La Raza America hating chick removed from the person who's going to be organizing America's birthday. This country deserves a lot better.

[Steve Bannon]

Look, she didn't have her own personal beliefs, but she's Chairman of the 250th Commemoration of the country's birth. Is this insanity that is pure hatred, not just a Trump, pure hatred of the country. Get Bill Blaster. Let's get Grace. Grace getting the chat says get Bill Blaster. Let's get this out to everybody. Carpet bomb this. She's got to go. This is just unacceptable that somebody like this is even around anywhere near the sacred commemorations of our beloved country. Natalie, by the way Natalie, as people know, Natalie is known and known in Beijing as one of the most virulently anti ccp pro Chinese worker, pro Lao Beijing, pro Chinese people always standing up for the little guy in China and always calling out how the elites, not just in the United States, but the United Kingdom throughout the world have had elite capture and you know, as Posovic says, elite merger with the Chinese Communist Party over the last couple weeks. You've had a bunch of years. Things get 18, 20, 25 million. Are we doing good in that category? There's no, there's no. You haven't put anybody's nose at a joint by, by your, by your. You know, when Natalie's on the anti CCP role, she'll get on the anti CCP roles. I just want to make sure it's all good. Everything's good.

[Natalie Winters]

It's my favorite thing to talk about. People can see the developments on Twitter. You can, you can out me, Steve, if you'd like. But I would also add real quick on the Rosie Rios vector. I know President Trump loves Andrew Jackson. She also tried to remove him from the $20 bill.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, I know that's going to sit very well with President Trump.

[Natalie Winters]

Cardinal sin. And apparently I committed a cardinal sin to Natalie.

[Steve Bannon]

Have a great weekend. You're at the White House. I hope we don't get have to pay health insurance for the interviewer from Channel 4 that, that you left.

[Natalie Winters]

And Steve, we already are because they don't pay anything to Ukraine and we're subsidizing the whole Ukraine, Ukraine war effort.

[Steve Bannon]

I also hope, I hope you, I hope you don't get unfollowed by anybody because you're cc, your amazing CCP investigations, ma'am.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, Elon has unfollowed me. We'll have to see. Why.

[Steve Bannon]

I don't know. Hey, curious minds, you know, daily mails asking, where do they go, Natalie? Winners. Where do people, where do people that want to follow you follow you?

[Natalie Winters]

Natalie G. Winters on all social media platforms, including X. Amazing work.

[Steve Bannon]

And folks, we got to get all over top of the Chairman of this 250th this is outrageous. Natalie, great work on that one. Once again, thank you. President Trump is going to be livid. Livid as much as he's got on his table. You think people would be on top of this thing. You wouldn't have to break it, you know, after Lexington and Concord, maybe you know now why there wasn't kind of, you know, reaching out with open arms and getting this thing organized and to think that a person like that could have anything to do with July 4th of 2026. Liz your joins me. And Liz, I want to thank you for the font. So we have and Liz is going to stay for a while and but we do have Chip Roy coming up in the next hour. But I'm gonna have Liz here for a while because this is very important. We're talking about the conclave and what's going on. The amazing work of the Committee on the Present Danger China has done with this fantastic webinar about everything, kind of laying out everything between the Vatican and the Chinese Communist Party and so much more. But I got to go to you helped facilitate an exclusive interview I was able to do with Archbishop Vigana. We have just put that up in war room and and Grace and Mo are going to put it out everywhere. Walk me through some headlines here because this thing's quite we asked him very tough and controversial questions and he answered them. Right? He answered them. Liz, what do you got for us?

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, he did. And he there were some really spicy answers there. And he called Pope Francis the Pope of the elite. And it looks like, you know, he is hoping, as many of us are, that the new hope, whoever he may be, will drive a wedge between the deep state and the deep church. But your questions were really very probing and I really would encourage people this weekend to read what is, you know, very spicy language but deep theological and moral argument. Steve, one of my favorite questions that you had for Archbishop Vigano, it was what is the greatest threat that the United States is facing today? And his answer, I think was really, you know, it sounded like a little bit more room, a little bit, you know, Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount. But it was here it is. The most serious threat that looms over the United States of America is the danger of not learning from what has happened thus far, that citizens do not realize that the danger they escaped by electing Donald Trump instead of Kamala Harris. And he goes on to say, it is not enough to fight the most extreme manifestations of woke ideology. We need to rebuild, starting from the foundation of family, from the bedrock of morality, religion and culture. We need to restart a social model on a human scale in accordance with God's plan and the law of the gospel. And we need to teach our children to fight and die for the rights of God rather than the alleged rights of man. Only a nation that recognizes itself under God can hope to prosper.

[Steve Bannon]

Liz Hanger for one second magnificent short break. Liz, your with this exclusive interview with Archbishop Vigano in a moment. We rejoice when there's no more. Let's take down the ccp. Health isn't just a personal issue. It's a family issue, a community issue. We're living in unpredictable times. Supply chains can break down, hospitals can get overwhelmed. And let's not even start on the natural disasters. These aren't hypotheticals. They're happening. You see it here in the war room and we all know it. The question is simply, are you ready? That's where Jace comes in. This isn't just a kit. This is a Jace case. It's a lifeline. It's a personal supply of prescribed emergency medications that puts the power back in your hands. Whether it's an unexpected illness or a global disruption of supply chains, you can act fast and protect yourself and your loved ones. This February, show them you care in a way that really matters. Be prepared. Get the Jace case today so you'll have the right meds on hand the moment you need them. Visit jacemedical.com and use the code Bannon B A N n o N at checkout for a discount on your order. That's Jace medical.com promo code Bannon. Get the Jace case and do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Welcome back. The Rio reset July 6th. It's out now. You can go to burchgold.com Bannon get the Rio reset to get more up to speed and understand what this whole firefight is about. About US currency and about trying to find an alternative to US Currency, particularly as we're going to go through now with this massive the budget chip. Roy is going to join us next hour to do this, to go through that. You're going to want to find out about what alternatives are coming at us from people that are not friendly to the United States of America, particularly the Chinese Communist party and others. The BRICS nations. So go get we. We've updated and redone the series to focus on what's happening now. The Rio reset July 6th. The road to Rio. The BRICS nations monetary conference. Be quite important to your to your net worth. Make sure you go to birchgold.com bannet G it all today. Nigel Farage and I'll try to get more details tomorrow with both Raheem and Nigel. Nigel sweeping victory in England as reform now gets momentum to really replace the Tory party. It's the version of MAGA taking over the Republican party. This is the reform taking over the Tories. President Trump reiterating cutting off the Persians from selling any Oil. Oil to get cash because of this situation with their nuclear facilities. Reports out of Syria that Israeli air force doing bombing runs up in Syria. Supposedly Turkish planes are up in the air. There's a lot going on. We're going to have an expert about this situation. With the Australian elections on Sunday and one of the biggest issues down there is a submarine deal to add American submarines that Australians would purchase and be part of their fleet. We're going to get to all that. The geopolitics inextricably linked now with the economics of it all. Liz, you're going to stay with me in a second. There's so much more to go through this interview. Plus the secret treaty with the Chinese, how it's going to inform the conclave. We're going to talk about everything that's going on there about the traditionalists, because this is, even if you're not, if you're Catholic, it's central to your life. Even if it's not, you're not Catholic. It's going to have a big impact on politics. Just face that. Liz, what stuns me about Vigano and because we asked very controversial questions on purpose and all these are not kind of churchy questions, this guy's a very big thing. People understand. He was the ambassador, it's called the papal at Nuncio. He's essentially the ambassador from, from the Vatican to the United States and one of the most respected ones we've had. He, he understands the U.S. he understands geopolitics. He's a very, very savvy guy. What stuns me about this is kind of what we've been harping on all day about the deep state and the urgency of the moment. The urgency of the moment to take on this apparatus of the deep state and start to take it across. And John Ratcliffe, as good a guy as you are, 1200 jobs, over a couple of years of people that are getting ready to retire or taking buyouts is not what we're talking about in a massive restructuring of the CIA. Vigano warns us about this. One of the what you just read, he is warning America, please do not miss the point of what almost happened. It had been over for this country if Kamala Harris had gotten in and the deep state had been empowered instead of President Trump. And the greatest come from behind where they tried to assassinate him in the last couple of months. Liz, your thoughts?

[Liz Wheeler]

You know, Steve, what I love about Vigano, and I think he's calling all of us to be moral street fighters and he, he has not let up One bit. He has been in the face of the Vatican as they were co opted by the Chinese, the ccp. He has battled the elite on his shoulders all by himself. He's been excommunicated because he's taken these tough steps, stance. And you know, this interview is not just for Americans. It is the template for all freedom fighters, for all the magas around the world to really take what he says, to incorporate your faith, but to really not. You can't sit back at this moment. He understands the global elite better than anybody. He knows the secret agenda. They're not going to give up, not for one minute. They are forging ahead and this is really a call to action. The great reset, as far as he is concerned, must come from the church. And we have an opportunity, not only in the Catholic Church, to take away the moral voice of the elite. That was Pope Francis. We have an opportunity to really magnify what we are blessed with with Donald Trump here in America. But that was hard work. That was, you know, stepping into the fight. But he also talks about, and I would, you know, really urge people from Ireland and around Europe to read this because he talks about the impact of mass invasion of Islamic immigrants all around Europe and that this is strategic, it's intentional and it is the destruction of our civilization. And he wants people to take on their governments and to reclaim their Christian roots and to start fighting instead of sitting back and allowing this degradation and criminality which has been, as he said, imported by the new barbarians, systematically coming in and taking away the great Western civilization. So there's much more. In his interview, Stevie O'Connor questions were really very provocative and very meaty. And I think that's why he really responded the way he did. He's a political animal as well as, you know, a theological one as well.

[Steve Bannon]

Liz, hang on. You stick around. We'll get more in the interview. So much more in the next hour. Mike Lindell, I know you got to bounce. Mike Lindell. Great job, usa at the prayer service in the Rose Garden. Sell me a pair of sheets before we take a break.

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