Episode 4474: Building American. Selling American; Chaos In The Liberal DC Courts

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room – Episode 4474: Building American. Selling American; Chaos In The Liberal DC Courts

Release Date: May 9, 2025
Host/Author: WarRoom.org
Title: Building American. Selling American; Chaos In The Liberal DC Courts

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Introduction

In Episode 4474 of Bannon's War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves deep into the current socio-political climate surrounding the American judiciary system in Washington D.C., the ongoing economic tensions with China, and the recent developments within the Catholic Church. The episode features insights from key figures such as Brian Costello, Catherine O'Neill, and Mike Lindell, alongside strategic discussions on protecting American interests both domestically and internationally.

The State of the American Judiciary

Steven Bannon opens the discussion by critiquing the current state of American courts, labeling them as part of a "dying regime" influenced by liberal ideologies. At [00:02], he emphasizes the breakdown of trust between the people and the institutions:

"This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people." – Steve Bannon [00:02]

Brian Costello echoes this sentiment, highlighting the spread of misinformation through what he terms "MAGA MEDIA":

"I wish that any of these people had a conscience." – Brian Costello [00:23]

Bannon and Costello argue that the liberal judiciary is eroding American values and the rule of law, advocating for a resurgence of conservative principles to restore national integrity.

Economic Warfare with China

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the economic tug-of-war between the United States and China. Brian Costello provides an in-depth analysis of trade policies, tariffs, and the vulnerabilities in the U.S. supply chain:

"We have a huge weakness in critical minerals... We're figuring out where our leverage points are." – Mike Davis [02:55]

Dave challenges mainstream media narratives by presenting data from reputable financial institutions, underscoring the disproportionate tariffs imposed on China compared to other G20 nations:

"All the rich countries, China's way more." – Dave [04:33]

Brian Costello responds by outlining a strategy to stabilize American markets while leveraging the U.S. consumption power to counter China's export dominance:

"We need to level the playing field and get our partners on our side against China." – Mike Davis [05:26]

The discussion highlights ongoing negotiations, such as Secretary Besant's meetings with Chinese officials, and emphasizes the necessity of maintaining economic stability amidst geopolitical tensions.

Preserving American Institutions and Promoting Domestic Business

Catherine O'Neill, founder and CEO of Meriwether Farms, discusses the importance of American-made products and healthy living as part of the "Make America Healthy Again" initiative:

"Our burger blowout offers premium ground beef with no hormones, no antibiotics, no nonsense." – Catherine O'Neill [12:48]

She links her business to broader health and economic goals, advocating for transparency and quality in American food production.

The New Pope and the Catholic Church Crisis

A significant segment of the episode is dedicated to the election of the new American Pope, Pope Leo XIV, and its implications for the Catholic Church and American society.

Brian Costello introduces the topic by noting the unprecedented election of an American to the papacy and the potential political and spiritual ramifications:

"This is the first time that the Catholic Church has had someone at the very top who is a registered Republican voter." – Brian Costello [17:31]

Glenn from Patriot Mobile shares his concerns about the new Pope's political affiliations, questioning whether his Republican registration aligns with MAGA principles:

"He's a registered Republican, but I've heard he's kind of DEI and woke, and I'm concerned a little bit." – Glenn [17:31]

Jenny Holland, a former atheist turned Catholic practitioner, offers a nuanced perspective on the Church's direction under Pope Leo XIV:

"I've been somewhat heartened today to see the new Pope taking very common sense positions on things like gender and borders." – Jenny Holland [28:19]

Liz Your, a staunch critic from the Catholic community, warns of the new Pope's synodal approach and its potential to further liberalize the Church:

"The new synodal church is the death knell for Catholicism... He's a synodal pope through and through, and that is a recipe for disaster." – Liz Your [34:17]

The conversation reflects deep divisions within the Catholic community, balancing hope for unity and preservation of traditional values against fears of institutional overreach and ideological shifts.

Republican Betrayals and Institutional Weakness

Mike Lindell discusses the recent political maneuverings within the Republican Party, particularly focusing on the failed nomination of Ed Martin as D.C. U.S. Attorney:

"Republicans are weak and feckless... they turned their back on Ed Martin." – Mike Lindell [46:15]

He criticizes Senate Republicans for rejecting a highly conservative nominee, attributing it to their inability to support Trump-aligned candidates. This segment underscores the internal struggles within the GOP and the broader implications for conservative leadership and governance.

Strategic Business Partnerships and Promotions

Throughout the episode, various speakers promote businesses aligned with the War Room's values. Catherine O'Neill highlights Meriwether Farms' commitment to healthy, American-produced beef, while Mike Lindell promotes his line of natural supplements through Sacred Human. Patriot Mobile and Patriot Supply are also featured, emphasizing their support for First and Second Amendment rights and emergency preparedness, respectively.

Conclusion

Episode 4474 of Bannon's War Room weaves together a narrative of defending American institutions against liberal encroachment, combating economic challenges posed by China, and navigating the complex landscape of religious leadership within the Catholic Church. The discussions highlight a persistent theme of building up American resilience, fostering domestic enterprise, and maintaining ideological purity amidst external and internal pressures.

Notable Quotes

• Steve Bannon [00:02]: "This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people."

• Brian Costello [00:23]: "I wish that any of these people had a conscience."

• Dave [04:33]: "All the rich countries, China's way more."

• Mike Davis [05:26]: "We need to level the playing field and get our partners on our side against China."

• Catherine O'Neill [12:48]: "Our burger blowout offers premium ground beef with no hormones, no antibiotics, no nonsense."

• Liz Your [34:17]: "The new synodal church is the death knell for Catholicism."

• Mike Lindell [46:15]: "Republicans are weak and feckless... they turned their back on Ed Martin."

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the episode's key discussions, providing listeners with a clear understanding of the topics covered and the perspectives shared by the War Room's contributors.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Brian Costello]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Dave]

War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Band. All right folks, we're about ready to discuss global geopolitics with one of our good friends, War Room Brian Costello. Before we go there, before we get to the discussion of instability, I just want to call out our good friends at Birch Gold. Steve Bannon has done yeoman's work on all the brics country. The attack on the dollar, the attack on the American institutions that is creating global insecurity right now. Right. The Trump agenda, the make America great again. MAGA is working that that is the good news folks. Buckle up. But it's going to be unstable for a few months as all the hundred countries lined up work out their agreements with the US but they are coming. I was with several countries the other night. They're all eager in line. Everybody knows what fairness looks like. And if we get fairness straight, we're going to grow. And it's not just zero tariffs, it's way more than that. And Brian will probably mention that. But contact Birchgold, our [e-mail] Bannon birchgold.com Bannon or text Bannon to 989-898 and get a free copy of the ultimate guide for Gold in the Trump Era. And as you know, Stephen K. Bannon is the author and co author of many of those documents. Text 989-898 to text Bannon to 989-898 and support our great friends at Birch Gold who support us. All right, let's turn over to China and Brian Costello's with us. He's been on the War Room many times. He's a favorite when he comes on. He's all substance, no frills. And so Brian, bring us up to date. What any news that's noticeable in the last month. Moves away from China firms getting their supply chains straight, the investments in the U.S. do we have good news to report or is it still kind of status quo?

[Mike Davis]

You know, I think, Dave, they, you know, they put a spotlight. I mean, one thing Trump did, again that was brilliant, right, is he put a spotlight on this. So we now know in terms of the tariffs what our weaknesses are. Right. We have a huge weakness in critical minerals. We knew about the medical supply chain back from COVID So what we've been able to do is kind of figure out like, okay, in the economic war China's been waging on us, where are our lever points back and where are we dependent and how do we gear up the country to end the dependency? So there's a lot of effort to figure out. You know, we signed a deal with Ukraine on the rare earths, critical minerals. The real problem with that is refinement. So China has some leverage in the underlying substrates that are a lot of the technology infrastructure we have. But at the same time we have a lot of leverage in the consumption in our market and how dependent China is in terms of exporting into that consumption. It's interesting to see it play out. There's a big weekend here. You got Secretary Besant is meeting with the Chinese for the first time. Trump and his classic art of the deal throughout. 80% I think on true social. So trying to set the bar high as Besink goes into a negotiation. So we'll see what happens here. This is, I'd buckle in though. This is going to be a long process.

[Dave]

Yeah. What's your commentary? I don't mean to throw you in the weeds here, but you know, the mainstream media was all got hyper over Trump's chart on tariffs, you know, in the, the 1/2 deal and it was basically correlated with the size of the trade deficit. But then I put up charts on the war room, bank of America and the World bank and PwC, Price, Watt Cooper's big, you know, firms also have charts showing all, all the G20 countries have 2 to 300%. The tariffs we have on them. Right. Two times to three times all of them. All the rich countries, China's way more. And so what, what do you see as the end game here? You know, a lot of people on our side of the football saying it's not about zero tariffs. Even if you do a zero tariff thing with, with like uk, the deal that just came in there, we're going to have higher tariffs on them than they have on us because of all the unfair practices and taxes they level on us. And so what do you see as a reasonable end game that we can explain to the mainstream media because they simply don't understand what it means to put America first.

[Mike Davis]

You know, I think there's a bunch of things we need. The first thing we need to do is we need to make sure that we keep our market stable, our treasury and our equity markets, right, so that we don't break capital formation in the US as part of this, this uber negotiation thing. So I think that's extremely important. I think they've done some good steps and part of that is actually some of the negotiations, like Japan buys a lot of our Treasuries, right. So they're in a negotiation and holding that up. So I think we need to keep things stable. We need to level the playing field. And then we need to get the partners on our side against China, who not just on tariffs, but manipulating currency, state enterprises, backing industries, closed capital accounts, really effectively closing its market out to the number two economy in the world. We need to get everybody on our side on that. So I think hopefully you'll start to see folks fall in line. I think Secretary Bessance mentioned there's 18 or 19 countries that are really important. They announced one the other day, which is the United Kingdom. I think Japan, Mexico, Canada was just with Trump and I think for the next six months or for the year, because then you start talking about the midterms. You really see a maniacal focus on this. Some might pull a China and wait until they notice some pressure from elections to resolve things. I expect this to play out for a while.

[Dave]

Give us a little commentary also on the capital flows. You know, if we cut down on our imports on Chinese goods, then the, the capital flows, right? We, we get the goods, we give them a piece of paper, they get the capital and then they buy stuff, Treasuries or, or land in the US or Pebble Beach. And so, you know, the free trade folks, you know, make the argument, hey, that's just the flip side of the current account is a capital account and it's all fine and dandy, but the America first doesn't agree with that. So how do we land that plane? Taking into account their argument and how do we win that argument?

[Mike Davis]

You know, one of the things they need to focus on, I don't know that they're. And you know, we're obviously, we're not inside the trade deals, but they need to focus on the closed capital accounts in China. We have a lot of companies, right, that have cash on their balance sheet that they can't get out of China. We have a Lot of investment that's gone into China on the equity side that they can't get. This is what China does for leverage, right, Dave? They let all these elite invest in sweetheart deals, align with the Chinese government into China and then they can't get their money out. The only way they get their money out is through an IPO in the US So therefore they negotiate to open the IPO door for Chinese companies again who then commit fraud. And it all gets dumped in line with the populist movement. It all gets dumped on the American people. So I think there's a lot of we need to really be focused on China's closed capital account and not letting any of our companies take money out of China too. That's a huge, huge advantage to them. They're able to shepherd all these dollars and these investments in China and it's a big problem. I'll throw something out there. You were talking about taxes a little bit. Maybe we could find mutual, grand mutual ground in Washington and tax the investments into China, you know, make sure the carried interest, which is when you make an investment into China, you know, and you're an endowment and you get an endowment, gets no taxes on it. Right. Maybe, maybe, maybe we shouldn't have an American universities invest into China through their endowments and not paying any taxes on the return on capital.

[Dave]

Yeah, no, that's great, man. I wish I should have booked you for a half hour block. Once you get going on this, the logic just spins. Last question for the America first folks. You just spoke about these sweetheart deals and that's true. The big folks on Wall street in the capital markets get deals not available to the American people. Besant has made very powerful remarks. Hey, it's not your turn anymore, Wall street, it's the turn of Main Street. And I think that is the dominant shift. And so do you see that turning around under Trump, these sweetheart deals that only the bigs get, Is there a way of democratizing the capital so the American people get some of these returns not with China, but with the rest of the world instead of China?

[Mike Davis]

Is there. You know, it's interesting. One of the, I mean, I'll get into a macro. You know, my favorite subject that I like to like to fight with Steve, a little bit on Twitter is, you know, we've got something really interesting we got to keep our eye on. I'm going to answer this question a little bit different and I'm doing something the space, Dave. But we've got right now one of the things we need to make sure of we've got a lot of the big, most powerful. And because there's so much focus on the tariff and the trade side, we've got a lot of the biggest, most powerful companies in the world that are doing stuff on the AI Autonomy Robotics side that's going to replace labor. Right. And a lot of it's hidden. So it's, you know, Google has Waymo at self driving cars and they're announcing, you know, so you're literally going to see Uber and Lyft go away. Uber and Lyft drivers lose their job to self driving cars. And we need to be very careful with the artificial intelligence in concentrating that power in the top companies in the world who've showed that, you know, that they will not look out for the interest of the American people, its shareholders first.

[Dave]

Right.

[Mike Davis]

So I think that's something big the Trump administration needs to watch.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah. No, you're spot on. I mean, I taught economics for 20 years and it's, you know, monopolies and oligopolies do not deliver the best goods at the lowest prices with variety, not to mention the political power they accrue. And so we could go on and on forever. Brian, thanks for being with us on the war room. Get, get you back on again for some more once you, once the dialogue opens. I could go all day and this really matters. So thanks for your work, Brian, thanks for being with us.

[Mike Davis]

Yeah, yeah. And congratulations to your students. Steve at Liberty. So good work.

[Dave]

You bet. You bet. Thank you, brother. It's great. You bet. You too. All right, we've got Catherine o' Neill with us. Kathryn, the floor is yours. Anything you want to react to, policy wise, that you've heard and then make your pitch to the war room, which is not a hard pitch to make. We're all a bunch of your fans.

[Catherine O'Neill]

Hi, Dr. Brad. It's so great to see you. Thanks for having me on. Yes. So I'm the founder and CEO of Meriwether Farms, which is an all natural beef company out here in Wyoming. And as many of you know, we control the majority of the process. So you know where your beef is coming from 100% of the time. So a deal we're doing, you'll see right on the screen, is our burger blowout. You guys ask for it all the time. It's £30 of our premium ground beef. You can truly taste the difference from the beef in the grocery stores. No hormones, no antibiotics, no nonsense. So go to meriwetherfarms.com right now and you'll see it right on the homepage. No promo code needed. Get it while it's in stock because this stuff flies off our shelves.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's great, Kathryn. Give us a little more. We don't mention maha, Make America Healthy Again. And I got several family members in the health professions, and we see kids in the hospitals. Like, I never heard of growing. I mean, there's just atrocious stuff happening. Give us a little word of how you're connected with that movement and why you're an improvement to American health.

[Catherine O'Neill]

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's an integral. It was an integral part of Trump's campaign in 2024. The Maha component of Trump's campaign, you know, this is how we're going to keep our future generations healthy and productive. If we start with food, you know, you see a lot of really weird substances in our food supply. I mean, Tyson Foods last week just announced that they're removing some synthetic dyes from their food which they should have never put in the first place. But what happens is that these big companies throw money around Washington. I mean, you saw it when you were a member of Congress, and they lobby these congressmen to do shady things. And so good on Secretary Kennedy for pressing these big companies to make their food healthier and better for the American people.

[Dave]

100%. We all love you, what you do and your product. And so please support Meriwether Farms, folks. Go. Go out there. She's doing the right thing for your health, for the country, for maga, for America. First, I have not been ball hogging. We had technical difficulties with Ben Harnwell. He's going to come back after the break and host the rest of the show. We had a little technical difficulties, but we had the great Brian Castello on and very happy we had him on. I'm going to keep that conversation, conversation going in the weeks to come, God willing. And so thanks for letting me be with you all. It's always an honor and a pleasure to be with the war room with the posse. I get great comments from all of you. God bless and I'll see you soon.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Dave]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.

[Brian Costello]

Welcome back to the show. Harnwell here at the helm filling in for Steve and Stephen K. Bannon who's off on assignment. My thanks today, Bratt, who was very admirably holding the show right there. We're here in the shadow of the Vatican and we're going to be breaking down in just one moment the momentous news of the new Pope, the new anti pope perhaps. We'll talk about that in just a few minutes. But first let's go to Glenn's story from Patriot Mobile. Glenn, thanks for coming on. Just tell me first if you wouldn't mind just before giving us the pitch, tell us, do you have any take on on Pope Leo xiv?

[Glenn]

Well, you know what? I've heard mixed reviews. I don't know a great deal about it. I'm not Catholic but I have been following the story and you know, I've heard he's a registered Republican. I've heard that he does votes Republican but I've also heard he's kind of DEI and woke and you know, I'm concerned a little bit. But look God, God put him in place and hopefully he leans, you know, let's just say on the belief of God and follows God's word.

[Brian Costello]

Glenn, you actually look by the way, we'll talk about Patriot Mobile in just a moment. But you actually said something there that's been playing on my head, on my mind since I first start, started to hear reports that now former Cardinal Prevost, now Pope Leo XIV is a registered Republican. That can mean a multiplicity of things, right? It could mean he was sort of a big supporter. Oh, I mean, you know, it could be something he's a supporter of John McCain. You know, just looking at some of the principal rhinos in the GOP doesn't necessarily mean that the guy is maga. It doesn't necessarily mean that the guy was out there supporting Donald J. Trump and his agenda and his administration. And that's obviously to say everything that the warring posse knows very well. There is a civil war going on inside the GOP at the moment. I guess we'll find out what type of Republican the new Pope is. But it is interesting that you mention that because this is being the first American Pope. This is the first time that the Catholic Church has had someone at the very top of the apex, the successor to St Peter himself, who is a registered Republican voter. That's interesting. I think the way it's going to work out is that it broadly means he will be relatively secure on the pro life issues. On those issues, probably, though, he's going to attack closer on the economic things to the rhino agenda that we're obviously so, so committed to opposing.

[Glenn]

That's right, dude. That's, that's, that's our. Well, go ahead.

[Brian Costello]

No, go ahead, please.

[Glenn]

Well, that, you know what, that's really what it boils down to. You know, look at it. Life was created. You know the scripture, you know, you know, he knew us before we were in the womb. He knitted us together. You know, life is the single most important issue we look at today. And you know, if you're, let's just say if your Pope doesn't believe in life, then that's a big issue. None of the other stuff really matters. You know, we know there's rhinos out there. They've been out there forever. And you know, a rhino or the Trump Republicans are not the same. So, you know, we just hope that the Pope leads the church in biblical ways. Right. The Bible is Jesus. It's his word. It's about him. And we just hope that, you know, we follow the scripture.

[Brian Costello]

Glenn, tell us a bit then about the office today for Patriot Mobile.

[Glenn]

Well, you know, it's pretty simple. I think the war room posse is pretty familiar with who we are. We're a God first Christian based company. You know, he's at the helm of our business we're his stewards. And what's really interesting about Patriot is we just try to serve our customers in a way that they want to be served. We live by biblical principles and we carve out a portion of every dollar and donate back to what I would consider biblical principles is the First Amendment, the second Amendment, right to life and military and first responders. And there's a group of folks that just love what we stand for. When you call us, you're going to speak to a redneck like me here in Texas or you're going to speak to a Californian. And then the other side of it, you get the donation piece and you know, it's a great business. And you know, the war Room posse has been incredibly supportive of us.

[Brian Costello]

Just Glenn, tell me, tell me, because you just a wheel back a little bit when you're talking about how important your faith in Jesus Christ is behind the whole of the Patriot Mobile philosophy. And the way you were talking about the importance, even as a non Catholic perspective that you have of the import, the leadership, the moral Christian leadership that the Pope can give. I want to pick up on something that you were saying, in fact, to come back to this point about Cardinal Prevost, now Pope Leo XIV being a registered public, because I think it's capable of leading some people as well, I think. And we'll see this as it breaks down. But I think the way this is going to break down is that we're going to see more of a Mitt Romney. When the guy says he's a registered Republican, I think that means that we're going to see more of a Mitt Romney thing. And when you think about it, a Mitt Romney dynamic when you think about it, and this is really the heart of what the war Room's about. That's the real agenda to Donald Trump, to the MAGA agenda. It doesn't even come from the Democrats, is really coming from this faction of the Republican Party, of the GOP that has lost its hold on power and desperately wants to try to take it back. See, looking at that, and as I say, you know, we're within 24 hours at the moment here. We'll be watching how these events unroll themselves over what would seem to be our coming years. But I actually think the fact that the guy is a registered Republican, looking at his social media over the last few years, some of the, some of the criticisms he's put out there against Donald Trump, I actually think that this is going to be a point of opposition. But that was a great thing that you mentioned. I think it's important to flag that up for the war in Posse just before you go. Then once again, would you just remind the folks where they can go to learn more about Patriot Mobile? Possibly. Look at the products that you're offering.

[Glenn]

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[Brian Costello]

Okay, Glenn, sorry. Many thanks indeed for coming on today. And you close there with some great news, I think, for all of the country music devotees to the war. And we'll catch up again with you soon. Thanks for your insights as well about Pope Leo xiv. God bless.

[Glenn]

Have a blessed day, brother.

[Brian Costello]

Let's go to Jenny Holland now before we go to our break in a couple of minutes. Jenny came on the show, folks. You might remember this when I was sort of doing some filling in for Steve when he was at Danbury.

[Dave]

So.

[Brian Costello]

But. And the feedback just absolutely exploded. Jenny, you remember this because you mentioned that as someone formerly of an agnostic stroke, atheistic background, you'd actually started to take up praying the rosary, and you were talking about sort of on a daily basis and you were talking about the spiritual reward that you're already starting to see in your life. And I have to say, of all the pieces I did on the show in that period, that was probably the one I think had the most dramatic impact. So I'm very grateful that you've. That you've come on to the show today. Tell me basically from that background, from someone who had an atheistic agnostic background and someone who started just picking up one of the principal Catholic devotionals that had fallen into, into disuse right across the West. Tell me what your first reaction is to the election of this new American Pope.

[Catherine O'Neill]

Well, I want to preface everything I'm going to say with a huge dollop of humility because far be it from me to position myself as an expert on the Vatican or the Pope or anything like that, but I mean, I've been following the criticisms of the the Vatican under Francis very closely actually. And I was aware that there was certain cardinals who were considered more traditional and that now Pope Leo is not necessarily one of those. So I take all of those concerns very seriously because I don't think there's a future, again, with the utmost humility, not being a fully fledged member. I don't think there's a future for the Catholic Church if it does not return to the more traditional aspects of it. It's neither fish nor fowl nor good red herring if it stays in the sort of France's no man's land. So I take all of those worries seriously. However, I have been somewhat heartened today to see a host of clips of the new Pope taking very kind of common sense, perhaps centrist, but at least common sense positions on things like gender and borders. You think that these are the most basic, the most basic building blocks of society. And also perhaps I am falling into a trap of being overly optimistic or Pollyanna. Ish. But given the state of division that I think the west is in right now, maybe there's an argument to be made that he can help bridge some of that.

[Brian Costello]

Jenny, we're going to dig down on that point just after this ad break coming up. Jenny Holland writes for both Substack and Spiked. We're back with her insights in just 10 seconds time. Don't go away.

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[Dave]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Brian Costello]

Welcome back. So earlier on in the show we were talking about the possibly financial calculations that the conclave were considering in the choice of the new Pope because the Holy See is in massive financial difficulty right now and a lot of the substantial American benefactors had been withdrawing their support under the Bergoglio anti pontificate because the guy had made it clear constantly over 12 years that he was against American free market capitalism. But what Jenny Holland was saying there just before the break is really what the Catholic Church is about because is not an ngo, it's not a financial organization, it's not a human traffic organization, even if those are the things that it's spent the last decade pushing down on. It's fundamentally a supernatural institution created by Jesus Christ for the salvation of souls. Jenny, let me come back to you about that point you were making, that sort of expression you use of neither fish nor fowl. Tell me how important it is from the same generation. How much do you think, how important do you think it is for people of our generation, many people who are searching for some meaning in their lives, some framework around which to draw meaning in a world without a great deal of visible faith. How important do you think it is that the Catholic Church has, has this element of being unchanging throughout time? And do you think there were aspects of the previous 10 years that really pushed people away from checking out not only Catholicism, but Christianity in a wider sense?

[Catherine O'Neill]

Absolutely. I think importance is everything. It's all important. I think for people like me who are former atheists, very secular left wing indie kids, all grown up and facing middle age. If we wanted sort of happy, clappy modern guitar playing Christianity, we can get that literally anywhere and everywhere. Every institution is set up to provide that. The fact that we don't want it is the tell. And that should be the signal to the church to, to correct its course and go back to the things that made it unique in the first place. I think that clearly our modern contemporary lifestyle has engendered a spiritual crisis that certainly unseen in my lifetime. I mean probably, well, definitely in my lifetime, let's say. And the fact that people like me are yearning to for the older ways is something that needs to be listened to. I think that the modern, more liberal, more progressive churches in the United States are not flourishing. It is the conservative churches and the traditional churches. The Latin Mass being a very good example of this churches that are most in demand and that has to be picked up on.

[Brian Costello]

I want to bring in Liz your right now. Liz, you're obviously very well known to the war room posse, someone who's constantly pushing, promoting the rights of children, the rights of the family. And you've often been pushing against the lack of leadership that was provided by the late unlamented Pope. But let me ask you this, let me ask you this question. Following on what Jenny Holland was just saying there about this spiritual aspect. Is that very much your reaction too that there's been a spiritual crisis in the Catholic Church rather than just simply the political crisis, the lack of political leadership that we've been following together?

[Liz Your]

Yeah, Jenny's put her finger on it precisely. It's all been about process. Sonatal sonatal sonatal and what we know is the new synodal church is the death knell for Catholicism. This church was not built on process, listening, accompanying. It was built on the truth of Jesus Christ. And that is what has been lost certainly in the last 12 years. And when I recently, last night I watched the new popes Q and A at his old church in the south side of Chicago and it was 2024, he was a cardinal. He had been at the Vatican as head of the dicastery. And all he talked about was the Sonatal way and talked about process and about listening and being, you know, the kind and soft and gentle church. It sounded like frankly, you know, a 60s hippie. And what concerns me, and I told you this morning, Ben, I think we've been played again. Prevost was a dark horse, not mentioned in the media and even in the Catholic media. Thank you. Until Steve Bannon said, wait a minute, I'm hearing Prevost. And the reason, my argument is the reason we were not we didn't hear about him and he was kept under wraps is because there was no ability to vet him, to find out what his history is in Peru. Now of course it's coming up that there were cases of COVID up. We're going to find out more. And you know, so this is, I feel like We've been played all along that there was a psyop that was going on. They were pushing other candidates. We'll continue to find out how this rolled out. Obviously, the gravity of the office of Pope will bring special graces to this man. Hopefully, he will respond.

[Brian Costello]

Liz, let me come back to that point that you mentioned. And by the way, you're absolutely right that Steve Bannon had spent the last 10 days flagging up Cardinal Prevost and the danger that he posed. Let me ask you this question then, from what you were just saying about this new Pope and the fact that you said that conservatives have been been played, had been played in that conclave. Could you just say a little bit more about that, what you mean by that?

[Liz Your]

Well, what I'm concerned about is that Cardinal Cupich, the American delegation had eyed him as Prevost as a possible replacement for Francis a long time ago, and he had placed him in the Vatican in a prominent position. They did certainly keep the wraps on him. They understood precisely where his quote unquote theology was. He was climate change, big on the COVID shutdown, certainly a huge proponent of migration, which is the centerpiece of destroying not only America, but Western civilization and Europe, as we now see. So my concern is that he was the ideal candidate to keep, you know, in their back pocket and to pull them out once the conclave started voting. I mean, think about this. A man we'd never heard about in four short votes becomes the Pope. I mean, it's, you know, he's a cardinal only a short period of time. I mean, look, I come from Chicago. I'm now watching all the news, you know, you know, with the Bears jerseys and he's a White Sox fan and, oh, this is so cool. I mean, when the church is in crisis, these kinds of commentary are just silly. It's time to focus on a church in crisis. My real concern is, and possibly Jenny will agree with me, my concern is what is going to happen to the church in America. Although he's an American, he holds dual passports, dual citizenship. So my real concern is that it's all about. Senator, you heard that in his opening statement from the Loggia. He is a synodal pope through and through, and that is a recipe for disaster. And we're going to see it in our local parishes, we're going to see it in our bulletins, and it's going to be implemented. And what Sonotal is, is a political ideology, Ideology, ideology that is pushing migration and climate change. It's not pushing or promoting the teaching of Jesus Christ.

[Brian Costello]

Liz, let me just pass over to give the last two minutes to Jenny Holland on that one. Migration and climate change. You're the only person I know, Jenny, who's a non Catholic who prays the rosary. Tell me, when you see the exponents of the Catholic hierarchy pushing these issues, does it make it easier for you to continue with these Catholic devotionals or is it putting an obstacle in your path?

[Catherine O'Neill]

Well, it doesn't put an obstacle in the path of my daily rosary practice which I'm still doing and I'm on currently over 100 day streak, but it does make me leery of the institutions. So what happens in your home is one thing, joining the institution is another. And I take your point Ben, about the Mitt Romney comparison. And I certainly take Liz's points about this inodality and all of that stuff that you know much more than I do. But what I can say for certain is that whatever has been awakened among the people, a sense of spiritual awakening that cannot be undone even by a Mitt Romney esque Pope, which again, I have no idea if he is or not, I hope he isn't. But what's happening on the ground and what's happening person to person isn't going to be shut down by even a woke Pope in my opinion.

[Brian Costello]

Jenny, very, very grateful for you coming on the show. Where do people go to keep up with your writings on substance, which I very strongly recommend you've written sort of movingly about this spiritual journey that you want on Substack but also on Spiked. Where can they go on social media to keep up with you?

[Catherine O'Neill]

I'm Semper Femina 21 on X and the substack is Jenny E. Holland dot substack or saving culture from itself which is the title.

[Brian Costello]

Jenny, thanks for coming back on the show. We'll catch up no doubt again with you soon as this pontificate rolls on. Liz, your where do people go to keep up with your writings on social media, your analysis, your observations, your warnings?

[Liz Your]

I'm everywhere on social media under Elizabeth your and also my website is yourchildren.com.

[Brian Costello]

Liz your thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you both very much for coming on the show. Quickly in the final two minutes of this before we go to the ad, Mike Davies, good morning to you.

[Dave]

Good morning Mike.

[Brian Costello]

Tell me first up then, as an Irish American, proud Catholic, I hope, what was your first reactions when you see a fellow American coming out on the balcony on the lodger?

[Mike Lindell]

Look, I want to give the new Pope time to make his way. I'm concerned he's a, he's. I'm concerned this is a leftist Pope following our last leftist Pope. But I want to give Pope Leo the chance to, to, to show the world how he wants to lead the Catholic Church. I saw interviews with the Pope's American brothers. I thought they, they, they humanized him quite a bit. He seems like. Pope Leo seems like a very good man who has done a lot of good things in Peru as a missionary or whatever the hell he's doing down in South America. Let's just hope that he keeps the Church focused on Catholic faith and works instead of woke ideology like the last Pope.

[Brian Costello]

Warren Posse, I'm sure you will have got your notepad in paper writing very concerned notes to yourselves that Mike Davies doesn't seem to be entirely on message with the war room line on NotMyPopethe seventh we're obviously need to put the thumb screws on him there. Just tell me just in 30 seconds before we go to the break, Mike, did you see anything on the American cable news that gave you calls for concern over the last 12, 24 hours.

[Mike Lindell]

On the new Pope? You know, I mean I heard, yeah, I heard his brothers say that he's going to be not much different from the last Marxist Pope. So that causes concern. Look, I'm a Catholic, probably not as good as I should be but I went to 13 years of Catholic school.

[Glenn]

I.

[Mike Lindell]

Let's hope this isn't a Marxist Pope because he needs to bring back the flock and not repel.

[Brian Costello]

The Vatican's 100 yards away. We're going to take Mac Davis down to the dungeons there, put on the thumb screws back in Mac Davis and.

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[Dave]

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[Brian Costello]

Welcome back. Well, many people in the war room who've been following the culture wars for, for a number of years will know the name of Ed Martin. He was the legendary Phyllis Schlafly's disciple basically and took over from her winning the Eagle forum. Also a U.S. attorney representing Donald Trump. Mike, tell me there's been some, it didn't quite go forward though, right. With Ed Martin on the Hill. Tell us a bit about what has happened because this was a great guy. Did the Republicans not come out to support him? What happened?

[Mike Lindell]

That's exactly right because Republicans are weak and feckless and they proved that they're weak and feckless again. Ed Martin is a very good man. He's a good friend of mine. Trump made him the interim D.C. u.S. Attorney. That's 120 day appointments. And then Trump nominated him for the permanent job for four years. And the dec, the Senate Republicans who confirmed, you know, Rachel Rollins got confirmed by Biden, the US Attorney in Boston who was extremely controversial. A lot of these Republicans voted to confirm Merrick Garland and so many other Biden controversial picks. But they just couldn't stomach Ed Martin's politics because Ed Martin is too conservative and too controversial for these country club Republicans in the Senate. And so they torpedoed Ed Martin's nomination for the D.C. u.S. Attorney. But they're going to get someone who's even more bold, fearless and tougher with Judge Jeanine Pirro, which is just phenomenal that Judge Jeanine has agreed to do this. She's making a huge personal sacrifice to go do this 120 day D.C. u.S. Attorney appointment. She gave up. You know, she's, she has a huge box contract. She's lives a good life in New York and she's going to move to the, to the swamp DC And I would say the biggest winners of this are the poor Black families in D.C. trapped in these crime ridden D.C. neighborhoods. And the biggest losers are going to be these oligarchs who are grifting off of Ukraine and these violence criminals in D.C. judge Deneen's not going to put up with it. And oh, Ed Martin, by the way, they left him for dead on the side of the road. Ed Martin is now going to go to the Deputy Attorney General's office where Ed Martin is going to be working on presidential pardons for President Trump. So not only has Ed not gone away, they've only emboldened him. So good work, Senate Republicans. You once again proved how weak and feckless you are.

[Brian Costello]

Mike Davis, you're the number one person that I know that between the ambit of the Supreme Court and the Senate GOP holding their feet to the fire, just before you jump, just tell me, do you think that Ed Martin had enough fire cover, air cover with the Ed Martin nomination? Do you think the administration did all it could to stay that flow, putting the thumb screws onto the front feckless GOP senators?

[Mike Lindell]

Absolutely. President Trump personally lobbied Senate Republicans for this. The Article 3 projects did a huge phone to action campaign. At article3project.org you have Jack did a lot. Cernovich did a lot. Will Chamberlain and Josh Hammer at Article 3 Project. We, we did a lot to help Ed Martin through the politics of this. He should have been confirmed. But our weak sisters in the Senate Republican caucus couldn't stomach the fact that Ed Martin thought that the election was rigged and stolen in 2020 because it was. And he supported January 6th defendants because they were persecuted according to the Supreme Court's Fisher ruling.

[Brian Costello]

So just let that news filter in. President Trump himself hit the phones and was personally lobbying US Senators and they turned their back on him. Warren Posse, they didn't turn their back simply on potus. They turned their back on you. The war room audience Mike Davis, where do people go to keep up with your unique analysis in this sphere of just the betrayal taking place at an institutional level?

[Mike Lindell]

I would say to these weak Republican sisters and the Senate's revenge is best served cold. And revenge is coming, so prepare for it. From the Article 3 project, you can go to article3project.org article number 3project.org you can follow us on social media, you can donate, but only what you can afford, please. The most important thing you do is take action. We came very close on Ed Martin and revenge is coming to these Senate Republicans who stabbed him in the back.

[Brian Costello]

Mike Davis, thanks very much. Catch up again with you soon. God bless. For now. Mike Lindell. If ever there was a man that we needed at some point over the last 12 years to put a pillow on the face of the Bergoglian anti papacy, it was you, what have you got for us today? Good morning.

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[Mike Davis]

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[Brian Costello]

War Room. Mike Lindell, many thanks indeed. We'll catch up again with you on the show soon. It's been Ben Harnwell filling in for Stephen K. Bannon today. My special thanks to Russ Spacey and the entire team at Turning Point USA for Jack Posobic, who's very kindly lent us his studio facilities here in the shadow of the Vatican, where we're being broadcast today. We keep our prayers for Pope Leo XIV as he embarks on this new pontificate. But we'll also keep a sharp eye out for any signs of betrayal. Catch you later. God bless. For now.

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