Episode 4486: Mass Momentum Behind Habeas Corpus

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room Episode: 4486: Mass Momentum Behind Habeas Corpus
Release Date: May 14, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon, WarRoom.org

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Introduction and Opening Remarks

The episode begins with Stephen K. Bannon discussing the strategic isolation of Iran. At [00:00], Bannon emphasizes the significance of uniting various factions within the United States to pressure Iran, stating, “If you get all these people to start working together with the United States, I mean, you are really putting Iran in... harm's way with a bunch of... arrows pointing at them.” Rogan O'Hanley supports this viewpoint, highlighting the collective stance against military intervention.

Historic Political Speech and International Relations

At [00:11], Rogan O'Hanley references a recent historic speech delivered two days prior, which received limited mainstream media coverage. He notes that the speaker declared, “under no circumstances will we allow the Persians basically to get a nuclear weapon” ([00:20]), receiving overwhelming applause from senior Arab leaders. This underscores a united front against Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Immigration Policies and Suspension of Habeas Corpus

The discussion shifts to the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus as a solution to the illegal immigration crisis. At [00:08], President Trump has contemplated this measure to address the influx of immigrants. Frank Morano at [02:16] concurs, explaining that the Constitution allows for the suspension of habeas corpus “in a time of invasion.”

Rogan O'Hanley elaborates on the legal framework, citing Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2 of the Constitution, which permits suspension only during cases of rebellion or invasion ([02:34]). He questions whether the current immigration situation qualifies, especially considering the passage of the Immigration Nationality Act, which removed Article III courts' jurisdiction over immigration cases ([02:44]).

Legislative and Judicial Dynamics

The conversation highlights the conflict between the legislative and judicial branches. Rogan emphasizes that Congress has stripped judicial oversight from immigration matters, leading to a confrontation with radical judges who support President Biden's immigration policies ([03:01]-[03:35]). This tension influences the President's ability to enforce immigration laws effectively.

Public Sentiment and Political Momentum

At [05:07], Bannon addresses public frustration with perceived governmental inaction, stating, “Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.” He asserts that misinformation from various networks has incited public demand for decisive action against illegal immigration.

Strategic Initiatives and Future Plans

Rogan O'Hanley introduces Rogan O'Hanley and mentions upcoming initiatives, including a game to engage listeners ([01:19]-[01:45]). The focus remains on mobilizing support for constitutional measures to suspend habeas corpus as a means to safeguard national security.

Immigration Enforcement and 2030 Census Implications

E.J. Antoni discusses the broader implications of immigration policies on the 2030 census. He argues that deporting 10-15 million illegal aliens is crucial for the country’s survival and future political landscape. According to Antoni, removing these individuals will prevent further demographic shifts that could disadvantage Republican representation in the Electoral College ([09:56]-[13:19]).

Political Shifts in New York City

Frank Morano shares his recent election victory in New York City’s 51st Council District, emphasizing its significance for the MAGA movement. He highlights the growing conservative success in traditionally liberal areas, indicating a potential broader shift toward MAGA values in the region ([22:00]-[27:55]).

Economic Concerns and Fiscal Policy

The episode delves into the national debt crisis, with discussions about budget reconciliation and the projected increase to $60 trillion by 2035. Bannon criticizes current fiscal policies, advocating for significant spending cuts and the elimination of tax deductions for high-income earners to curb the deficit ([28:00]-[40:00]).

Student Debt Crisis

Bannon addresses the student loan debt issue, revealing that approximately 8% of total student loans are delinquent—a figure significantly higher than previously reported. He criticizes the Biden administration for concealing the severity of the crisis and warns of long-term economic repercussions for affected individuals ([40:09]-[42:46]).

Closing Remarks and Future Outlook

The episode concludes with Bannon emphasizing the urgency of addressing the national debt and the importance of holding Congress accountable for fiscal responsibility. He underscores the need for Republicans to support the President’s agenda to ensure economic stability and national security ([46:30]-[50:51]).

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Notable Quotes

• Stephen K. Bannon at [00:00]: “If you get all these people to start working together with the United States, I mean, you are really putting Iran in... harm's way with a bunch of... arrows pointing at them.”

• Rogan O'Hanley at [00:20]: “Under no circumstances will we allow the Persians basically to get a nuclear weapon.”

• Frank Morano at [02:16]: “The Constitution is clear, and... the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion.”

• E.J. Antoni at [09:56]: “If you deport 15 to 20 million illegal aliens, that's 26 congressional seats worth of representation.”

• Stephen K. Bannon at [28:00]: “When that is everyone's attitude, then absolutely nothing gets cut. And that's how we got to where we are today.”

• Frank Morano at [22:45]: “This victory shows that the future of the Republican Party... is Trumpian, Bannon style populist conservatism.”

• Stephen K. Bannon at [40:09]: “More than three months behind on payments... effectively do not have to pay because there's not going to be any consequences.”

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Summary

Episode 4486 of Bannon's War Room centers on pressing national issues, primarily focusing on immigration policies and the potential suspension of habeas corpus as a constitutional remedy to the illegal immigration surge. Host Stephen K. Bannon, along with guests Rogan O'Hanley, E.J. Antoni, and Frank Morano, delve into the legal, political, and social ramifications of these policies.

The discussion intertwines the complexities of legislative actions, such as the Immigration Nationality Act's impact on judicial oversight, with the tactical maneuvers to enforce stricter immigration controls. The conversation extends to the significant political shifts anticipated from the 2030 census, underscoring the strategic importance of demographic changes in shaping electoral outcomes.

Economic concerns, notably the escalating national debt and student loan delinquency rates, are examined with a critical eye towards current fiscal policies. The guests advocate for comprehensive spending cuts and tax reforms targeting high-income earners to mitigate the impending fiscal crisis.

Furthermore, the episode highlights recent political victories, exemplified by Frank Morano's election in New York City, as indicative of a broader resurgence of MAGA-aligned conservatism in previously liberal strongholds.

Throughout the episode, the guests emphasize the urgency of decisive action to preserve national security, economic stability, and the intended legislative agenda of President Trump. The overarching narrative calls for unified support within the Republican Party to implement the President’s strategies effectively.

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Note: This summary is based solely on the provided transcript and aims to accurately represent the content discussed during the podcast episode.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

Isolating Iran. If you get all these people to start working together with the United States, I mean, you are really putting Iran in. In harm's way with a bunch of, you know, arrows pointing at them.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

They got nowhere to go. The. The biggest line yesterday in the speech. That speech was historic. Of course, the mainstream media is barely talking about it. He gives this historic speech two days ago, and the power of the spirit yesterday, the power of the speech, the most important line. He says, you know, he's not even once. Countries develop on their. By their cultures and their societies. We're not going to get involved in that, in democracy, you know, forcing democracy on people. But then he says, under no circumstances will we allow the Persians basically to get a nuclear weapon. That got thunderous applause. And he's not speaking in the Knesset. That's among the most senior Arab leaders in the world.

[Steve Bannon]

They don't want.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

They're 100% with us.

[Steve Bannon]

They don't want to see.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

No one wants military. Military intervention. But President Trump's laid it down and actually talked about in the speech what the War Room does. Let's cut the oil off. 90% of their cash flow comes from selling the Chinese Communist Party 2 million barrels a day. You got two carrier battle groups in Red Sea. Move one over to the Straits of Hormuz and say, hey, guys, you got to turn the ships around. You're not. You're not going to China. And let's see what they look like in 100 days after that.

[Steve Bannon]

Yep, that's China's Achilles, the oil energy. Steve, we took a couple minutes of your time. Appreciate your time. Good to get you back. And that's in our E Block next tomorrow. We have a little bit more time if you're here Friday. We got a game to play with you. You're going to like it.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

We're. By the way, you're. You're the best. You're the best opening a block I got, so. I mean, come on. I'm using. I'm. I'm using. You don't have your agent call me, okay? I don't have an agent. We're using this as a freebie.

[Steve Bannon]

Sig is my agent. I think he might be yours, too. All right, have a great show, Steve. Sig.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Love you, Eric. Thank you for doing it. Thanks, brother. Okay, you're in the War Room. We're packed this afternoon. Let's go. We got a great cold open for you put together by the crack War Room production team. Let's let it rip. Hold on.

[E.J. Antoni]

There's a Question back there.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

First, I have two quick questions. First, you know, President Trump has talked.

[Steve Bannon]

About potentially suspending Diaz Porpoise to take.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Care of the illegal immigration problem. When could we see that happen, do you think?

[Frank Morano]

Well, the Constitution is clear, and that.

[Steve Bannon]

Of course, is the supreme law of.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

The land, that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended.

[E.J. Antoni]

In a time of invasion.

[Frank Morano]

So I would say that's an option.

[Steve Bannon]

We'Re actively looking at.

[Frank Morano]

Look, a lot of it depends on.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Whether the courts do the right thing or not. At the end of the day, Congress.

[Steve Bannon]

Passed a body of law known as.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

The Immigration Nationality act, which stripped Article 3 courts, that's the judicial branch, of jurisdiction over immigration cases.

[Frank Morano]

So Congress actually passed.

[Steve Bannon]

It's called jurisdiction stripping legislation.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

It passed a number of laws that say that the Article 3 courts aren't even allowed to be involved in immigration cases. Many of you probably don't know this.

[Steve Bannon]

I'll give you a good example.

[E.J. Antoni]

Are you familiar with the term Temporary.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Protective Status, or tps? Right.

[Frank Morano]

So by statute, the courts are stripped.

[E.J. Antoni]

Of jurisdiction from overruling a presidential determination.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Or a secretarial determination on TPS when the Secretary of Homeland Security makes that determination. So when Secretary Noem terminated TPS for.

[Frank Morano]

The illegals that Biden flew into the.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Country, when courts stepped in, they were.

[Frank Morano]

Violating explicit language that Congress had enacted.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Saying they have no jurisdiction.

[Frank Morano]

So it's not just the courts aren't.

[E.J. Antoni]

Just at war with the executive branch.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

The courts are at war these radical.

[Frank Morano]

Rogue judges, with the legislative branch as well, too. So all of that will inform the.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Choice that the President ultimately makes?

[Steve Bannon]

Yes.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Mr. Miller, Ms. Noem, are you familiar with Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2 of the Constitution that covers the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus? Yes. It says that the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless when cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it. Are you aware of which presidents have suspended the writ of habeas corpus? I know that President Lincoln did, yeah. Also, Roosevelt and President Grant. You testified under oath, I believe, that the Biden administration allowed an invasion into our country. Is that correct? That is correct. So do you think it falls under the constitutional guidelines that I just read to you? I think. I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I believe it does. You've also witnessed that the Democrats here today, and also radical activist judges are trying to halt and deny the President's agenda to carry out his constitutional duties to keep Americans safe and carry out his promise to the American people to secure the border and carry out mass deportations of those who have entered the country illegally. Knowing this, are you open and supportive of this constitutional option to suspend the writ of habeas corpus to keep Americans safe and carry out the president's agenda? Well, this is something that's not in my purview to weigh in on. This is the president's prerogative to pursue and he has not indicated to me.

[Steve Bannon]

That he will or will not be taking that action.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

I want to thank Rogan o' Hanley for his efforts to bring this constitutional solution into the national conversation. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Steve Bannon]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[E.J. Antoni]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Steve Bannon]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my.

[Frank Morano]

Country, this country will be saved. War room here's your host, Stephen k. Ban.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Wednesday the 14th of May, year of our Lord 2025. Absolutely packed today from from the cutter all the way to the United States, all the way across the country. Got so much to go through. But this I'm telling you as we had Matt Gates on here today of the converging crises in the second hundred days of President Trump's presidency. This will be the definitional part. This the radical judges judicial supremacy over the commander in chief or the chief executive officer of the government over the chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer. That would be the article. Two powers of the presidency are hurtling towards a cataclysmic, I think was it denim wagon. O' Hanley joins us. Rogan now in Congress they're asking the head of dhs. This is at the White House. This behind scenes is starting to pick up a lot of momentum. Mike Davis and of course Matt Gaetz. Think we got a lot more Runway before you got to get there. Walk us through where you think we stand right now with the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, sir.

[E.J. Antoni]

Well, I think you nailed it. There's just a lot of momentum. You know, I very much appreciate Representative Eli Crane for the shout out but you know, this is the war room. The credit goes to the war room posse. Because if it weren't for you bringing me on to discuss it in the war room posse, spreading this message, supporting it, sharing it, everyone watching this is the reason this may end up happening. And I do agree there is a process that needs to play out, which is what? You know, I've noticed it in the change in President Trump's phrasing, right? He's calling it an invasion in all caps and saying, I don't know why that's not being included in all our legal filings, that this is an invasion. 20 million people coming across the border. If you ask anyone with a brain, they're going to say, yeah, that's an invasion. And if not, what is 30 million, 40 million? And so there is a process that needs to play out before I think the American people will be like, okay, let's do this. But every time the deep state, these corrupt institutions weaponize themselves against President Trump, he emerges victorious. They did it with the impeachment. They abused it. He came out more popular. They did it with the indictments. Okay, he came out more popular. And now they're doing it with a judicial coup. Right? People are wisening up to the fact that this is not normal to have this many national injunctions and for these judges to fight tooth and nail to keep violent cartel members inside this country. When they didn't lift a finger to stop the 10 to 20 million coming across our border under Joe Biden. The American people are not dumb. They voted across the board, full control of the government for a president that touted mass deportations. And now these radical activists in robes are trying to stop him. What else? At a certain point, what else can we do? And I ask people to look ahead a little bit, okay? Say we don't do mass deportations. Say we only deport 2 million in his term, guess what happens under President Gavin Newsom? Another 10 to 20 million come in. Now we're 30, 40 million deep. And if he wins reelection because of rigged elections or whatever, 50, 60, we don't have a country anymore. It will be toast. It will be done. So it's not even, oh, we want to just get these illegals out. This is for the survival of the country. Which is why I think in hindsight, in historical hindsight, President Trump will look and emerge as one of our best presidents if he does this, because he will truly have saved the Republic.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

3. Just facts. I want to go back over how driving this. Number one, let's leave the ones that folks came before just on Biden's watch. We know from every bit of analysis and assessment from DHS and others, 10 million illegal alien invaders just here in those four years, number one. Number two, you've got $170 billion in these budgets. $170 billion to replace them. That's a fact. I mean, how do people look the other way? That is the definition of invasion. Just to deport these takes $170 billion. Fact number three is that it was supposed to take us decades, The Lankford bill, 2 million more invaders here before anything kicked in. Trump shut that down in 60 to 90 days. That's secure. He's going to build the wall and other things, but we've stopped the invasion because it was an invasion. People are like, you know, the mainstream media don't address it. You stop the invasion in 60 to 90 days. Of which even Republicans said, best case, there's going to be 2 million, like 2 million new folks a year before any of the. The stuff to stop him kicked in. In the Lankford bill, you've got $170 billion in the reconciliation bill to deport these people, to set up the logistics chain. Right. And it's been demonstrated that there's 10 million here. How much more evidence do you need that it's an invasion and it's his right as commander in chief to remove these people?

[E.J. Antoni]

Sir, I couldn't agree more, Steve. And we've seen, you know, it's not just the border wall. Even with strong immigration enforcement, it just takes one radical Democrat president to completely disassemble it and basically tie Border Patrol's hands behind their back. We cannot rely purely on a border wall, but we can rely on these deportations, because as much as they open the border, they can only get, as we've seen, about 10 million in per term before people rise up. So a lot of this has to do with the 2030 census. Okay? And it's not just the survival of the country. This is about power, pure and simple. Let's call it what it is. Democrats, they don't give a hoot about these, about the charitable aspect of this, about giving these people a better life. This is purely about power. We've seen how they're freaking out when 59 South African farmers come into this country. Oh, you guys want to save people who are under actual persecution unless they're, you know, stable families who come in the legal way. Right. We've seen them flip out. This is purely about power. Blue states have done such a terrible job at maintaining residents. Everyone's fleeing to red states that they're getting depopulated. They're going to lose Electoral college votes. There's 12 electoral college votes are going to swing to safe red seats in the 2030 census. There's if you, if you deport 15, 20 million illegal aliens, that's 26 congressional seats worth of representation, which unfortunately our Supreme Court allows illegals to be counted in the census. So this is about 2030. That is a massive turning point in our country. But you know what I want to do, Steve? I call it Operation Martha's Vineyard. All we want is what they did on Martha's Vineyard when 48 illegals touched down. They mobilized the National Guard within 48 hours and booted them all without a trial. If it's good enough for Martha's Vineyard Democrats, it's good enough for the rest of us.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Rogan, can you hang on for a second? I want to go back and tie something together you brought up that's quite brilliant about the 2030 census. Rogan O' Hanley is the author of this idea of suspending the writ of habeas corpus, taking it from history, from three presidents, kind of, you know, random fdr, General Grant and President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War. All three of them suspended it. Pretty big names, right? Short commercial break Rogan's going to be on the side also have a new MAGA candidate that just won big in the New York City area. He's going to be here. E.J. and Tony, man, Senator Johnson, they lit it up talking about what, $60 trillion by 2035 or something. People's heads are blown up. Exactly where we're heading on this financing. I tell you how you guys protect yourself. You got to understand the system. You have to understand the process. The end of the Dollar empire is seven free installments we put together. It's kind of like a college course, but very accessible to make you understand it's not the price of gold, it's the process of what drives the price of gold. Birch Gold is our partner. Go to birchgold.com Bannon the seventh free installment on the end of the Dollar empire is out. The Rio reset that's going to take place in July. So President Trump's got this issue with the Constitution has got to be settled. I think by the end of June. You got the Rio reset, getting rid of the dollar in July and then you got the debt ceiling. We're going to talk more about that, the debt ceiling in August. We hit it. End of the dollar empire. Birchgold.com Bannon go get it Today, this July, there is a global summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro. The block of emerging superpowers including China, Russia, India and Persia are meeting with the goal of displacing the United States dollar as the global currency. They're calling this the Rio Reset. As BRICS nations push forward with their plans, global demand for US dollars will decrease, bringing down the value of the dollar in your savings. While this transition won't not happen overnight, but trust me, it's going to start in Rio. The Rio Reset in July marks a pivotal moment when BRICS objectives move decisively from a theoretical possibility towards inevitable reality. Learn if diversifying your savings into gold is right for you. Birch Gold Group can help you move your hard earned savings into a tax sheltered IRA and precious metals claim. Your free info kit on gold by texting my name Bannon. That's B A N N o N to 989-898 with an A plus rating with the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers led Birchgold army with a free no obligation info kit on owning gold before July and the Rio reset. Text Bannon B A N N O N to 9898. 98. Do it today. That's the Rio reset. Text Bannon at 989-898 and do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. So Rogan, take a second here. I want to, I want to go back to the 2030 census. Demographically, the country is moving south and southwest to red states. Arizona, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina. It's just overwhelming how they're going south and going to areas of the southwest and even some of the other parts of the west that are MAGA, you know, MAGA centric. Talk to me about the 2030 census because the Democrats are playing the long game here. They understand that the time that census is done. And remember I was the guy along with a couple of others in the White House that tried to force the issue at Commerce to make sure that, that the illegal aliens here did not count. He thought it was outrageous. But go ahead and walk us through the 2030 census. Why is this so important? Why are you talking about. Basically 12 new congressional seats will give us a big spread in the House. Also add electoral college votes that may be insurmountable to the Democrats.

[E.J. Antoni]

Yeah, absolutely, Steve. I mean this is, this is the grand prize. This is what Democrats are fighting for. You know, I would say second best is to get illegals to actually be able to vote, right? To get them amnesty that's their dream. But they'd be happy with just having bodies in states. And that's what they're playing for. That's why they flooded the zone with 10 million illegals. Because they said, even though we know this is probably going to smoke us in the election, we're playing for the 2030 census. Because if they don't, if this does not, if they don't remain here, they stand to lose over 12 electoral college seats in California, in New York, in Massachusetts, in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin. And they're going to red states, they're going to Florida, they're going to Georgia, they're going to Texas, they're going to Nevada and a few North Carolina. And what that would mean, Steve, is we would not, Republicans would not even need to campaign in Pennsylvania, Michigan or Wisconsin to win the White House. Only the safe red states would need to be won. And they'd cakewalk into the White House with a very comfortable House majority. Because when they lose these Electoral College seats, those are congressional seats. Now we're redistricting again and you're going to add two more seats to Florida, maybe three. Remember, they stole three to five seats in this last census. Right. We saw that Biden got to kind of clean up right at the last minute and after the 2020 census and they found out that Massachusetts kept a seat. They shouldn't have. California kept a seat. They should, because of errors in calculations. Right. We're already operating at an unfair disadvantage. But, yeah, this is what it comes down to. And Trump, even if, I hate to say it, but like, even if we lost in 2028, if he actually deported 10 to 15 million illegal aliens, they could not stack the country quick enough by the 2030 census.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

But this is why your habeas commander chief so important, because they're trying to delay, is to deny just mathematics to get 10 million out. Now, the clocks, they want to make it so painful on the worst of the worst of the criminals, the terrorists, and draw every process out. And this is why President Trump's eventually going to go to your solution. Rogan, where do people go to find more about your thinking on this and more about your amazing social media platform?

[E.J. Antoni]

Thank you, Steve. You can find me dc_drano on all the major platforms. And I will say a new policy that's kind of giving me hope is what Governor Desantis has been doing in Florida. He's proposing, I think they call it the Florida plan to deputize JAG lawyers in the National Guard to act as immigration judges. Right. Like Stephen Miller said, this is not an Article 3 issue. This is Article 2. And the immigration judges work for president Trump. Let's get a lot more immigration judges or whoever it can be and start processing these people and sending them out right there.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Put them right at the border. Rogan. Fantastic. Thank you, DC Drano. Amazing. Changing the course of American history. This shows you the power of your agency, your thinking, you know, put it on social media. And this end of Warren Posse, you guys jumped on this. You were forced multipliers. Next thing you know, everybody's talking about it, including the president of the United States. We got some other big news. Taking wins every day. Let's go get a short clip going to bring in Frank Marino.

[Frank Morano]

Hello, everybody. Councilman elect Marano. At least for a little while longer because I'm about to go to city hall to be sworn in. Okay, we're on the Staten island ferry now, about to head to Manhattan to go to city hall. Of all boats, what boat do we end up on? The only boat that's still in service. Well, one of only two boats that's still in service was somebody that I actually knew, Guy V. Molinari.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

That's right.

[Frank Morano]

We're on the. Guy Mullineri. Hopefully that's a good omen that I'll be able to win 10 or 11 elections just the way that Guy did. In all seriousness, very excited about this. I'm with Carmine and Rachel. Carmine's right now very fixated upon looking out the window of the ferry. Thank you again for the opportunity to serve, and I promise not to let you down.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

I, Frank Moreno.

[Frank Morano]

I, Frank Moreno.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Do solemnly swear.

[Frank Morano]

Do solemnly swear. That I will support the constitution of the United States. That I will support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New York. And the constitution of the state of New York.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

And that I will faithfully discharge and.

[Frank Morano]

That I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of the duties of the office of council member. Council member.

[E.J. Antoni]

In the New York City Council.

[Frank Morano]

In the New York City council. For the 51st Council District. For the 51st Council District.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

In the.

[Frank Morano]

In the borough of Staten Island. In the borough of Staten Island.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

In the county of Richmond.

[Frank Morano]

In the county of Richmond. In the city of New York. In the city of New York.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

According to the best of my ability.

[Frank Morano]

According to the best of my ability.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Council member Morano. Frank, why is this such an important win right now for maga?

[E.J. Antoni]

Huge.

[Frank Morano]

For a few reasons. One, because it's in the heart of New York City. And it shows that even in New York, people don't like defunding the police, people don't like cashless bail, people don't like the revolving door of criminals being let out so that they're home in time for dinner. It's important because even in New York, people believe in the same things that they do in the rest of the country. And it's important in Republican circles because I think my victory shows I ran on a very populist platform. My victory shows that the future of the Republican Party, the future of the conservative movement is not the Bush, McCain, Romney style of so called conservatism. It's Trumpian, Bannon style populist conservatism. That's what I wanna bring to the Republican Party and to the New York City Council. And look, we got election coming up in 41 days. This time it's a Republican primary. And if people want to be part of the solution to making the GOP the grand old populist party, join our.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

[e-mail] Frank Charlie Spearing, one of the best reporters out there, used to work for me at Breitbart's, now at the Daily Mail. He had an amazing piece that led the Daily Mail's website for half a day going through polling the Daily Mail had done, one of the top polling firms in the, in the country, showing that actually New York is actually shifting right on MAGA values. And he's basically saying it's teed up for Hochul to be turfed out in the next election. Do you think, do you think there's any chance that really MAGA types can make a run at more council seats, actually take out maybe the local da, even the mayor, the governor? Is this real? Is New York going maga?

[Frank Morano]

Absolutely. I mean, I think it's a long way before Manhattan elects a Republican or a conservative or a MAGA da. But everything else that you just described is very possible. I think there's a real, look, you look see what's going on in the mayor's race. You see the incumbent Democratic mayor, Eric Adams, who four years ago ran on a platform of being Al Sharpton's best friend. Now he went from being the Biden of Brooklyn to the Trump of City Hall. He's running on a Trumpian platform. Even Andrew Cuomo, who couldn't bash Trump enough during COVID he is going out of his way not to alienate Trump or Trump supporters. And on a lot of criminal justice issues, he's running a very different campaign. From the one that he did when he was governor. Now, I don't think these guys have really changed their tune all that much, but I think it's a reflection and a realization on their part that the voters are waking up, that the voters have changed their tune. Not only do I think there's a real chance to get Governor Kathy Hochul out next year, I think there's a great chance to pick up more MAGA City Council seats in New York City. But I think there's a fighting chance that we could actually see someone like Curtis Lewa win the mayor of New York City this year, which would be a political earthquake the likes of which we haven't seen since Giuliani won in 93.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Wow. Frank, as you know, this is, this is. I don't need to tell you, because you know him so well, that this is very close to President Trump's heart. We got about a minute. What do you think we need to do as a movement to help our brothers and sisters and our MAGA brothers and sisters in New York?

[Frank Morano]

Sir, a couple things. One, you could go to my website, moranoforcouncil.com, make a contribution, help us out. But also, don't be fooled into labels. Don't be fooled because someone says they're a Republican into thinking they believe the same things that you believe in the point that you and others have made, that there are times when somebody that's been a Republican elected official for the last 30, 35 years, they have a lot more in common with the Democratic establishment than they do with Donald Trump and the populist conserv conservative right. This is such an exciting time, but it's only an exciting time and it's only a promising time if we wake up and take this party from the DC Swamp creatures that have done such a miserable job running it in a Bush era. The Bush era is dead. Let's have the Trump era and let's make this party into a populist party with a big tent that we can.

[E.J. Antoni]

All be proud of.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Frank, Social media and website, where do people go?

[Frank Morano]

Moranoforcouncil.com moranoforcouncil.com or Frank Morano on Twitter. Frank Morano on Twitter.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Brother, thank you for coming on. Thank you for fighting. Fighting on to victory. Fantastic. Everybody's jacked up. Thank you, sir.

[Frank Morano]

Thank you for having me. Just being on your show really gave me such credibility with conservative and Trumpy in circles. I can't thank you enough for that. I'm going to Be in your debt.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

For a long time. No, sir, you. Every day you guys are getting, you're taking the incoming. It's really incredible. And keep fighting.

[Frank Morano]

And we're gonna get Pam Bond. Pam Bondi to shut down this sanctuary city joke that New York City has become and end New York City's sanctuary city status. That was my first act since being elected is to sign on to that letter asking the Attorney General to do just that. We're hoping she does.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Amen. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. The fight in New York City, the fight in Manhattan got Jackie to off all the time. They're fighters. These are MAGA out there on Long island and in upstate New York. Upstate New York's MAGA country. I'm telling you, we're going to take New York. You can see the tectonic plate shift that's happening. Short commercial break. E.J. antoni with some reality checks about the numbers. Next. Health isn't just a personal issue. It's a family issue, a community issue. We're living in unpredictable times. Supply chains can break down, hospitals can get overwhelmed. And let's not even start on the natural disasters. These aren't hypotheticals. They're happening. You see it here in the war room, and we all know it. The question is simply, are you ready? That's where Jace comes in. This isn't just a kit. This is a Jace case. It's a lifeline. It's a personal supply of prescribed emergency medications that puts the power back in your hands. Whether it's an unexpected illness or a global disruption of supply chains, you can act fast and protect yourself and your loved ones. This February, show them you care in a way that really matters. Be prepared. Get the Jace case today so you'll have the right meds on hand the moment you need them. Visit jacemedical.com and use the code Bannon B A N N o N at checkout for a discount on your order. That's Jace medical.com, promo code Bannon. Get the Jace case and do it today. If you take a look at my bottom lines of budget reconciliation, the first principle when we're $37 trillion in debt, according to CBO, will be about 59 to 60 trillion dollars in 2035. My first principle would be, let's bend that curve down. Let's make sure that whatever we do, we don't increase the deficit. But right now, I think we're on track to increase the deficit.

[Steve Bannon]

But are they listening to you?

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Like, do you feel like they're potentially going to come at you. They all agree with me. So I agree with what you're saying, but that ship has sailed.

[E.J. Antoni]

What I reply will call it back.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

To port because I think that other ship with the big beautiful bill, I think that's the Titanic. I think that's going down because I think I have enough colleagues in the Senate that this has resonated with that are saying, yeah, we've got to return to a reasonable pre pandemic level spending. But I always add this plus a process to achieve it and maintain it. Okay, E.J. and Tony. E.J. we had Senator Johnson on this morning. He's warning about, hey, we're going to blow if we if first off, he makes the point that you make. The debt's not going up because Besson's doing a great job of bailing water out of the, out of the boat. But as soon as we get the debt ceiling passed, there's going to be another 500 billion to trillion on the official debt that gets counted up. So we're north of 37 right now. He's saying, hey, look, every senator agrees that the glide slope we're on or the path we're on gets us $60 trillion in 10 years and the country's over. What say you, sir?

[Steve Bannon]

Well, Steve, I think that's right. And the senator really hit the nail on the head here when he said everybody agrees this is a problem. Right? You're not gonna find anybody who just shrugs their shoulders at this problem and says, oh no, don't worry about it, it's gonna be fine. No, literally nobody says it's gonna be fine. Everyone knows we're going over the fiscal cliff. But what's everybody's answer? Start cutting spending. Just don't start with my stuff. You can't cut my pet projects. You can't cut stuff for my district or my constituents. You have to cut everywhere else. Well, when that is everyone's attitude, then absolutely nothing gets cut. And that's how we got to where we are today. And I think that's part of the holdup right now with the current tax cut bill. Is everybody both, whether it's Democrat or Republican, doesn't matter. Almost every member of Congress, there's very few exceptions, are genuinely willing to cut the things that need to be cut. And it's becoming not just problematic, it's gonna become catastrophic quick.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

So what then is to be done? I mean, he says and he came on today that behind closed doors, all of the senators agree we have to go to pre pandemic. We Got to go back to Trump's golden year of 2019. One, do you think that's feasible? And two, then why are we not doing the work right now to make that happen?

[Steve Bannon]

Well, it's certainly feasible, Steve. I just can't for the life of me understand why the leadership in both the House and the Senate are not making that a reality. I mean, my goodness, 95% of the spending that you would cut out to get us back to those 2019 levels is all stuff that the Democrats did. It's not stuff that the Democrats or that the Republicans voted for. That you can repeal the entire ira, for example. That would save hundreds of billions of dollars. And that's not an exaggeration. The only exaggeration was when the Democrats passed the darn thing and they told us that it was gonna have a relatively small impact on the budget, and they were off by over a trillion dollars. So those were the folks that exaggerated. You can save a lot of money just by repealing the things that the Democrats passed on their own over the last four years. And again, for the life of me, why aren't they doing that? I don't know, Steve. It is beyond frustrating.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

So Johnson says there's a half a dozen votes up there or more right now that view this thing as the Titanic. Give me your assessment of where you think the House stands, because it's kind of very convoluted. You got people working on pieces of this. You, you had then the tax size, Ways and Means. They won't put forward or lame by see an overall number to see what their projected deficits are. But I can tell you we've never been wrong in this. It's going to be over $2 trillion this year, are close to it in the fiscal year 26, which the reconciliation bill is. I don't know how they get. I don't know how they avoid another $2 trillion deficit at least, and that blows through the debt ceiling increase before election day in the midterm elections. You think my math is that far off?

[Steve Bannon]

No, Steve, you make a lot of really great points, including what you started with saying that, you know, we're already over $500 billion essentially in the hole, meaning treasury has been blowing through its cash account at the New York Fed in order to keep the government going with the debt ceiling being in effect this entire year. And so as soon as that debt ceiling is lifted, we're immediately going to borrow additional money. The debt's immediately going to go up so that we can replenish that missing cash from the Treasury's account. So that essentially wipes out again $500 billion out of the 4 trillion trillion. That's an eighth of it right there. And then you're going to have that $2 trillion deficit overall, you're going to have another 2 trillion like you mentioned. And so this isn't even enough to get, to get us through the President's current term. And that doesn't speak to the fact that we need to raise the debt ceiling even further. It speaks to the fact that we need to cut spending much more. I mean, the spending cuts in this latest bill are, they're basically microscopic. I'm sorry, but there's just no other way to put it. We need to cut much, much more spending. In terms of the question that I think you were getting to, you know, what is the coalition here that's gonna be willing to pass this? Steve? I'm not sure there is one, especially once you consider how many Republicans we have from blue states like New York. I know you were just saying New York's gonna go red. And, and I'm not saying it won't eventually, but right now you have a lot of Republicans. Even if it's a red district, it's a blue state, it's a high tax state. And they want that SALT deduction big time. They want it so bad. And the problem is with the current version is they're not interested in having a salt deduction for low and middle income Americans. They want a salt deduction for very high income earners, which is not what the current bill has. The current bill has essentially a phase out. So it doesn't help the millionaires and billionaires at all. That's not what these Republicans want. They want a big salt deduction that makes money for the millionaires and billionaires because that's their donor base, that's the donor class and that's who those Republicans are interested apparently in helping. Not the average American.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

You've been and you know Scott Besant well, you know him before Secretary Treasurer, you know him well now the team around him, Scott has warned that this is the last chance for a supply side tax cut. One of my concerns, and I've got tons of concerns about Ways and Means, including the fact that they're not doing a snapback right now on the wealthy, which I'd say is going to have to happen at some point because the math just doesn't work. But on the supply side part of it, I'm really concerned that none of those supply side cuts are really Permanent. Am I missing that? Or is it the stuff that we actually have in there that could help businesses and help us productivity, create jobs, make capital available, they're also temporary. So when Trump leaves, they leave. Sir.

[Steve Bannon]

Steve, that's exactly right. The most pro growth part of this bill, things like the expensing for business where you get that tax deduction, that tax write off those things. Again, the most pro growth supply side parts of this bill are the ones that are temporary, they're not permanent. I mean, it's just absolute nonsense. And that happened again because they couldn't agree on enough spending cuts to quote, unquote, pay for this. Now, going back to your point on the rich paying more, look, I join you in that. I wish we could see more money coming in from the highest income earners in terms of those tax receipts. I just think that the way to do it is gonna be not increasing marginal tax rates, but getting rid of all these deductions. And for crying out loud, crowd start with things like salt, things which are not at all supply side tax reductions. Instead, these are things that are essentially function as loopholes for high income earners. In the case of salt, it's a loophole for people in high tax states. It's not an exaggeration that very high income earners in places like Manhattan saw their income tax liability go up by several million dollars, by 2 or 3 million dollars because of the cap on the state and local tax deduction. I want to see more of that. I want us to get rid of essentially all the exemptions, all the deductions in the code.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Talk to me real quickly. You keep saying it. Don't focus on the marginal tax rates for the upper bracket, focus on the deductions. What other deductions would you get rid of, Steve?

[Steve Bannon]

Literally everything. I would get rid of all the deductions, all the exemptions. I'm not exaggerating there. Even things that a lot of people really love, like the deduction of mortgage interest. I would get rid of everything and just reduce all of the tax rates. The problem with any kinds of deductions, Steve, in the code is the fact that once you get beyond about a 25% top marginal tax rate, then the wealthy just start using all of these to get their effect effective paid tax rate back down to again about 25%. And we've seen this pretty consistently for the last hundred years, the entire history of the income tax. So what you end up doing is you benefit the accountants, you benefit the lawyers, and you benefit to a certain extent the wealthy at the expense of everyone else, because everyone else now has to shoulder the tax burden of that lost tax revenue. I want to get rid of all of that, Just go to a low rate with a broad base.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

You mentioned we got other issues, too. Talk to me about student debt. I just heard we got a bombshell about the student debt.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah. And Steve, this was actually something that we talked about last year on your show. The fact that the Biden administration, not only did they get shot down by the Supreme Court over and over again for their unconstitutional attempts to bail out student loan borrowers, but then the court eventually told them, look, you have to get people repaying again. You can't just keep going with these pauses where you're not forgiving loans, but you're also not requiring them to be repaid. Essentially, it's a effective forgiveness if you just do that indefinitely. So the Biden administration said, okay, fine, we'll have people start repaying their loans, but if they don't repay them, wink, wink, then we're not going to report those delinquent accounts to credit bureaus. And that's what happened. So for the last year of the Biden administration, we had no idea how bad the student loan situation was. In other words, how many millions of people had fallen behind. Well, now we have a Department of Education who is actually willing to report these numbers honestly. And what we found is that it's not a fraction of 1% of student loans that are seriously delinquent. In other words, more than three months behind on payments. But in fact, the actual number is almost 8%. It's over 1,000% higher than we were told it was. It's just yet another example of how the Biden administration misled the American people on the economic situation and tried to gaslight everybody to make us think that the situation was so much better than it was, when in fact, in fact, it was pretty darn terrible.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Hold it. You're saying that 8% of the total face amount of the student loans are kind of in arrears?

[Steve Bannon]

That's exactly right, Steve. And again, the really insane thing here is that this has been the situation for well over a year now, but the data was purposely hidden from credit bureaus, so we had no idea what the exact situation was. And furthermore, you have, you have literally millions. That's not an exaggeration. Millions of people now whose credit ratings have taken a triple digit hit just this year, and they're going to have now a very tough time getting other kinds of credit extended to them. Whether It's a mortgage, you know, another student loan, an auto loan, credit cards, you name it. So you now have a ton of people whose credit rating has really gotten hammered because they were essentially told by the Biden administration, look, you effectively don't have to pay because there's not going to be any consequences. Well, guess what? The adults are back in charge and now there are consequences again.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

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[Steve Bannon]

Not really in depth, Steve. The reason for that is because we just don't have enough of the details yet. So look, let's, let's take a, you know, a high level view of it then let's do the 30,000 foot. As, as the senator was saying, this does not solve the problem. Right. We are still headed in the wrong direction. Now, if our only two choices are between what we currently have and doing absolutely nothing, then what we currently have on the table at least would be the better option because if we do nothing, then you will see some of the tax cuts and jobs act provisions expire. You will see a demonstrable tax hike on the American middle class. So that will definitely be worse. Again, I wish we could get a lot more. Hopefully in the future we can. Hopefully with future bills, we will be able to claw back more of that spending and we will get more Republicans with a spine in Congress. But as of right now, if this is the best we can get, it is at least better then doing nothing. But look, that means that the President was not served well by the Republicans in Congress. And if we want to continue supporting President Trump, I think that means you have to turn up the pressure even more on the Republicans in Congress. In other words, if these folks weren't willing to actually put a good bill on the president's desk, if they weren't willing to work with the White House, then frankly, they need to go. And I don't know if that happens in the primary or in the general next year. But whatever the case, we have to, I think, hold these Republicans accountable if they're not willing to support the president and his agenda, which he was overwhelmingly elected to pursue.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Do you agree? The 10 year bond, I think, is 4.5. I think it ended there today. I haven't started the show, but it was the, I keep saying the bond market is going to get a vote here. Clearly they are. This is not because of President Trump's tariff policy or trade, which the mainstream media trust. This is about their understanding this bill. And they see the spending and they see the inability to raise taxes or cut deductions on the wealthy. So you're not going to have additional revenue generation. Are you concerned that the further we go down here that even the decisions of President Trump and his ability to enforce and implement his program may be taken away from us as the, as the bond market starts to respond here?

[Steve Bannon]

Well, absolutely, Steve. Look, the bond market is not something you want to go toe to toe with because as big as the federal government is, even as big as the treasury is, the bond market ultimately gets the last say. We do not want to get into a position where literally nobody is willing to hold U.S. treasuries. And then the Fed just has to print every dime that the government spends. I mean, that's Weimar Republic territory. That's how you get to hyperinflation scenarios. But that is what is eventually going to happen. To your point, if we don't start heeding the warnings that the bond market is giving us. Look, as much as there's been a ton of drama and a ton of market turmoil and there has been regarding the president's tariff policies, I understand all that, but guess what? Virtually everything now, after through conducting pauses on essentially every country, we're basically right back to where we were before August 2. Equities are nearly back, the bond market is nearly back. So the difference that we're seeing right now, and it does track, again, to your point, it tracks very closely with the progress of discussions on the Hill and how the bill has been evolving, the bond market is right now signaling they are not happy with the insufficient level of spending cuts, cuts in this bill. And if it goes through and if we do nothing in the future to fix it, the bond market is going to continue to voice that concern and it's going to get louder and louder over time. And as talented as Scott Bessen is, eventually there's going to be nothing he can do about the problem because nobody wants to buy what he's selling. And it's not because we have a bad salesman, you know, who's who's trying to auction this stuff off. It's because the quality of the debt is just going to go down.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Wow. EJ where do people go on social.

[Steve Bannon]

Media to get you best place to find me is on Twitter. The handle there is at real EJ Antony.

[Rogan O'Hanley]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, Steve.

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