Episode 4488: Fight To Heal America's Children And The Future Generations

Summary

Episode Summary: Fight To Heal America's Children And The Future Generations

Episode 4488 of Bannon's War Room, released on May 15, 2025, delves into the pressing issues surrounding the health of American children and the implications for future generations. Hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, the episode features insightful discussions with experts, including political commentators, historians, and advocates for public health.

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1. Introduction and Current Political Climate

Stephen K. Bannon opens the episode by reflecting on the political landscape, highlighting President Donald Trump's proactive engagement in Middle Eastern affairs. Bannon mentions Trump's extensive rally activities, noting the sheer number of events ("We did 968 rallies" - [01:18]).

Key Discussion Points:

• Trump’s Foreign Policy Moves: Engagement with Middle Eastern leaders like Mohammed bin Zayed (MBZ) of the UAE, aiming for strategic alliances and potential nuclear deals.

• Media Perception: Bannon criticizes mainstream media outlets, suggesting they underestimate Trump's problem-solving abilities and unconventional strategies.

2. Historical Context: The National Security Council and Cold War Strategies

Guest Ed Luce, editor and columnist at the Financial Times London, discusses the historical dynamics between Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski, two pivotal figures in American foreign policy during the Cold War.

Notable Quotes:

• Tony Lyons on Kissinger and Brzezinski: "Kissinger saw the Soviet Union as a permanent feature of the landscape... Brzezinski saw it as a Russian empire that was going to collapse under its own weight" ([12:10]).
• Bobby Kennedy on Policy Shifts: "President Trump's taking down the evil empire is what went on from '76 to '80 before he arrived" ([25:01]).

Key Discussion Points:

• Rivalry Between Kissinger and Brzezinski: Their differing approaches to the Soviet Union—detente versus active opposition.

• Impact on Modern Policies: How strategies from the 1970s and 1980s influence current administration policies, particularly Trump's actions in the Middle East.

3. The Iranian Crisis and Its Legacy

The conversation shifts to the Iranian Hostage Crisis, examining Brzezinski's role and its ramifications on Jimmy Carter's presidency.

Notable Quotes:

• Tony Lyons on the Hostage Crisis: "Brzezinski wanted the Shah to crack down on them. He wanted blood in the streets, essentially" ([25:01]).

• Bobby Kennedy on Carter's Challenges: "The hostage crisis was a catastrophe for Jimmy Carter, the nation, and Carter's presidency" ([25:01]).

Key Discussion Points:

• Policy Decisions: Brzezinski's influence on Carter's handling of Iran and the resulting hostage situation.

• Long-Term Effects: How the crisis shaped future U.S. foreign policy and political dynamics between Democrats and Republicans.

4. Transition to Public Health: The Crisis of American Children

The episode pivots to address the alarming rise in chronic diseases among American children, featuring Bobby Kennedy and Nicole Shanahan as key voices advocating for change.

Notable Quotes:

• Nicole Shanahan on Child Health: "Half of our children now have a chronic disease... America spends three times the amount of money on healthcare... yet our health outcomes are just an absolute disaster" ([33:15]).

• Bobby Kennedy on Media Influence: "They hate Bobby Kennedy, actually, I think more than they hate Trump... Everything you're saying about Bobby Kennedy, they're saying is all junk science" ([36:22]).

Key Discussion Points:

• Rise in Chronic Diseases: Factors contributing to increased rates of diabetes, autism, and obesity among children.

• Corporate Influence: The role of big pharma, big food, and other corporations in compromising public health through lobbying and misinformation.

• Policy Initiatives: Introduction of the Maha Institute—a policy incubator aimed at developing strategies to improve child health.

5. Make America Healthy Again Movement

Nicole Shanahan elaborates on the "Make America Healthy Again" (MAHA) movement, emphasizing its mission to rescue American children from the ongoing health crisis.

Notable Quotes:

• Shanahan on MAHA's Mission: "We're going to bring in grassroots groups from all around the country... to present policies that will implement real change" ([48:13]).

• Bobby Kennedy on Achievements: "Bobby Kennedy has achieved more in 100 days under Donald Trump than anybody's been able to achieve in the last 20 years" ([35:34]).

Key Discussion Points:

• MAHA Institute Launch: Strategies and goals to combat the systemic issues causing poor health outcomes in children.

• Public and Political Support: Efforts to garner bipartisan support to challenge entrenched corporate interests and implement effective health policies.

6. Media and Public Perception Challenges

The episode addresses the challenges faced by advocates like Bobby Kennedy in combating misinformation and media biases that undermine legitimate health concerns.

Notable Quotes:

• Kennedy on Media Hostility: "On MSNBC and CNN, they have at least a segment on Bobby Kennedy and the pure hatred it comes through" ([37:43]).

• Shanahan on Scientific Integrity: "Real science is never settled... We need people who really are willing to look at it" ([38:53]).

Key Discussion Points:

• Misinformation Campaigns: How media outlets discredit efforts to address public health crises by labeling them as pseudoscience.

• Scientific Debate: The importance of ongoing research and skepticism in scientific discourse, especially concerning vaccine safety and chronic disease causes.

7. Call to Action and Future Directions

The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to support the MAHA movement and engage in efforts to improve public health for future generations.

Notable Quotes:

• Shanahan on Unity: "Everybody in America ought to want their children to be happy again, to be happy, to be healthy" ([32:00]).

• Kennedy on Corruption: "We need to get corruption out of Hollywood, getting the corruption out of Washington" ([42:28]).

Key Discussion Points:

• Community Engagement: Encouraging grassroots involvement to drive policy changes and hold corporations accountable.

• Long-Term Vision: Establishing sustainable health initiatives to ensure the well-being of America’s children and maintain competitive global standing.

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Conclusion

Episode 4488 of Bannon's War Room provides a comprehensive examination of the intertwined nature of historical foreign policy decisions and current domestic health crises. Through expert insights and passionate advocacy, the episode underscores the urgent need to address the root causes of declining child health in America and mobilize collective efforts to secure a healthier future for the next generations.

Transcript

[Donald Trump]

It's, it's.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And I was saying you could get Elvis or anybody else to do a song. There's nothing. That was my intro song right from the beginning. Because, as you know, we won three elections. Okay. And some people want us to do a fourth. I don't know. We'll have to think about that. You saw the new. The new hat, the hottest hat is it says Trump 2028. We're driving the left crazy when you see that. We didn't need that hat, but it was. It's been an amazing period of time. And when Lee Greenwood did that song, it went from the first day I came out and played it. It was a great song, but we didn't know. And then I did it a second time, a third time, and that was 968 rallies ago. Can you believe that? We did 968 rallies. Another hat says 968. I said, what the hell does that mean? That's the number of rallies. I said, you have to be kidding.

[David Ignatius]

David, you know, listening to you earlier today and just watching that news clip that we showed, and I think it was your line yesterday, maybe that President Trump is more interested in being a problem solver than. So he's met with the former headwith the current head of Syria. He has had a splendid for himself 48 hours with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. My question to you is, do you think the Democrats and people who oppose some of the truly ugly things that have happened in this administration thus far, but do you think that they continue to underestimate Donald Trump?

[Mike Allen]

That's a great question, Mike. I think they continue to reflexively estimate him. I'm a journalist, you know, I'm not in politics, so I try to look at each issue on its face. And when I see somebody doing unconventional things that the previous president, Joe Biden, probably wouldn't have, like, recognized this new leader in Syria or distance the US From Israel to try to see if it's possible to get a nuclear deal with Iran. I think that's interesting. That's different. And I think people need to look at these issues on their face without the name Trump attached to it. Because if you say Trump did this, the instant reaction is, it must be a terrible idea. And so folks like me or journalists need to look at the issues one by one and decide is that in the country's interest or not?

[Bobby Kennedy]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. There's not got a free shot.

[Ed Luce]

All these networks lying about the people.

[Bobby Kennedy]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Ed Luce]

I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Tony Lyons]

And where do people like that go.

[Bobby Kennedy]

To share the big lie?

[Tony Lyons]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Bobby Kennedy]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Ed Luce]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Bobby Kennedy]

If that answer is to save my.

[Ed Luce]

Country, this country will be saved.

[Mike Allen]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen k. Ban.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Thursday the 15th of May in the year of our Lord 2025. We're gonna get an update hopefully momentarily on the arguments on the birthright citizenship. Tony Lyons is going to join us later in this hour. He held a dinner and a reception last night for the Make America Healthy and Bobby Kennedy. All that will get totally up to date on the Make America Healthy again. What's going on there? Yes, is hell freezing over? I don't know. But two landmark things today. Mike Allen's Axios lead story this morning is about how Trump is doing things that nobody else could do and, you know, changing the Middle East. And it was actually laudatory in depth as I got it up on getter. I put it up, I think at dawn this morning, Denver will push it out for you and Grace will push it out for you. And then the Langley bugle, the spokesmodel for the CIA, David Ignatius, praising Donald Trump. So I think the earth stood still, you know, momentarily this morning on Morning Joe. But what I want to do is we'll talk later about what President Trump's accomplishing. He's with mbz, as you know, followers of the show. I think that Mohammed bin Zayed is the key member of not just the Emiratis and the Gulf Emirates and all that, but in the Middle East. He's the go to very straightforward guy, strategic thinker, just incredible. And President Trump is with him today, left Qatar yesterday. And a lot of folks, particularly my discussion with Matt Gaetz yesterday about Qatar. We'll get more into that. It's nothing to schluff off. Look, Cutter, as folks know, I'm not a fan of Qatar. They basically not rolled us, but they played hardball about signing any tariff financing memorandum. They still have so much to answer for. And I hope that people are vetting this, the Muslim Brotherhood and the financing of the Muslim Brotherhood and everything. But breaking news, you know, President Trump's talking about a nuclear deal. He could announce here momentarily. All types of things coming to the Middle East. But I want to bring extraordinary book. I want to go back to the beginning and why this is so, why Trump's trip is so important and why guys like Ignatius and Mike Allen's Axios are saying, hey, he's doing things in the Middle east that have never been done. I want to go back to the beginning. Ed Lush joins us, editor and columnist at the Financial Times at London. Ed, you've written this book which is stunning and I recommend it to people to put your politics aside if you want to see how the system works and how it kind of worked at the beginning of the rise of really the National Security Council in great power politics. This new and I think the only definitive biography on Dr. Brzezinski is out. Ed, I want to go back because one of the court and we're huge fans of Brzezinski over Kissinger for a long time. We had a guy, Patrick Wood, who passed away a couple of years ago and he was this theoretician about this concept called technocracy. And he would always go back to one of Brzezinski's books, I think written in the 70s after I think it was right after he became a national security advisor or just right before. Either right before or right after or talked about the driver of the future to a technocratic super state, saying that this is what the Soviet Union could come to. But this, the National Security Council and particularly these two Shakespearean figures, a German Henry Kissinger and a Pole Zigbee Brzezinski. Walk us back. Can you take us back? Because the book is so amazing and it almost reads like a drama for a huge part of it in the interaction of these two people. Walk me through like National Security Council, how to become so important. What was Kissinger's role? What was Brzezinski's role and why did they hate each other?

[Tony Lyons]

Well, first of all, thanks Steve, for having me on and for being so enthusiastic about this book. It's really great. Zeg, you know, as most people called him and Kissinger were legendary rivals, lifelong rivals. I mean and you know, we're talking from 1938 when each of them turned up on North America's shores, right up till 2017 when Brzezinski died. That's a long, pretty cinematic rivalry. And they sort of reached the peak that a foreign born strategist can reach in the United States, which is they were respectively for Nixon, Kissinger was his brand strategist and for Jimmy Carter, Brzezinski was his grand strategist, and that was to head the National Security Council. The National Security Council was really a sort of imperial creation by Harry TRUMAN after the Second World War, 1947, he sets up the National Security Council inside the White House to try and control initially the CIA, this new but massively growing intelligence bureaucracy, but also the sprawling sort of and rapidly growing size of the army, the Navy, the Air Force, these sort of separate services which were becoming kind of imperial in their size, the Pentagon, and to have some control over it from the White House. And so that was the initial idea with the National Security Council. And it was WASPs, you know, the grandees, you know, of WASP, of Georgetown, you know, of Yale, Skull and Bone Society, et cetera. People who you might in another context called English, called English American. But because of the American story, that hyphenation wasn't used. Very suspicious of these immigrants, Kissinger from Germany, Brzezinski from Poland. But they managed these two, I guess, scholar politicians from Harvard, from Columbia, to break into politics. And they really did change the way America managed, managed foreign affairs and geopolitics. They were hugely, hugely influential figures. And I won't say enemies with each other, Kissinger and Brzezinski, but frenemies. I mean, they were deep rivals and they had a very different idea of how to tackle the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Very different strategies.

[Bobby Kennedy]

I want to get to that now, by the way, under Kennedy was like Mac Bundy. This became from an advisory really, to running the deal. That was the change. And we got Kissinger and then Brzezinski. I mean, Brzezinski is a more towering figure, I think, of the Carter administration than Carter himself. But go through. We got a couple minutes in this block. I want to hold you to the next Kissinger's. And this is what the Thucydides trap is, just an update of what he felt back at the time. Kissinger always believed America was in decline. Correct. And had to fight a defensive. That's what all of his things were, kind of kowtowing or trying to work with the Soviet Union. Brzezinski had a very different take on things, did he not, sir?

[Tony Lyons]

A very different take. Kissinger saw the Soviet Union as just. It's going to be around forever. It's a permanent feature of the landscape. And our job was to accommodate to it. Our job, the West America, was to accommodate and find some way of living together. And that was called detente, French word meaning relaxation. Brzezinski, because he was from Poland and had a very different perspective, he saw it as a Russian empire dressed up in Marxist clothing, but he saw it as a Russian empire and he saw it as run by a lot of very old men. You know, he called that a gerontocracy. But he had this phrase, reverse natural selection, meaning you only got promoted if you weren't innovative, if you didn't have any creative ideas. And therefore it was just going to collapse under its own weight and we have to find a way of helping it collapse. And that's what he did. And Reaganism, by the way, was really a continuation of what Carter. Well, what Brzezinski really arm twisted Carter into doing in the last two years.

[Bobby Kennedy]

This is a point.

[Ed Luce]

The taking down of the evil.

[Bobby Kennedy]

The taking down of the evil empire. The we win. Remember the apocryphal story when Richard V. Allen was interviewing and he got stumbled and he said, Mr. President. President, like I've been talking, you haven't. What are your thoughts? And he said, dick, we win, they lose. That was kind of Brzezinski. I want to get into. We're gonna take a short commercial break here. When we return, I want to get into the whole. How did Jimmy Carter, who kind of ran as his agrarian populist, anti imperial presidency, anti Nixon, anti really establishment, Democratic establishment and the American establishment, and was not someone that had big ideas on foreign policy, had he picked this guy and how this guy really laid the foundational elements that then President Trump, President Reagan could come in and take down the evil empire. Johnny Khan's gonna take us out with American heart. Ed Luce is our guest. This book Put yout Politics Aside. This is a. If you want to understand the National Security Council and really the beginning of what it is that President Trump's had to wrestle with, this is the book to get. You will learn a lot about American history, particularly in that critical decade of the 1970s. President Trump's in the Middle east. When that came to the forefront of American thinking was the Arab oil embargo. All of it from the 1970s. Short commercial break and return to the war room. Just a moment.

[Ed Luce]

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[Mike Allen]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Bobby Kennedy]

The book, the book is Zwig. It is Mika Brzezinski's father before Warren. But you can't put it down. It reads like a Shakespearean drama. So Ed Luce, here's the question. In 1976, Jimmy Carter's elected as a agrarian populist anti Richard Nixon. It's all about, you know, Nixon, of course, Ford's runner, but it's really about Nixon. Ford has embraced the Henry Kissinger American decline. We have to have detente. We have to, you know, have all these nuclear agreements, we have to have all this. In 1989, the Berlin Wall falls, right? My math, that's 12 years after Carter took office. One of the foundational elements of President Trump's taking down the evil empire is what went on 76 to 80 before he arrived. First off, how did Carter pick a guy like Brzezinski and how did he. Because he was kind of an anti war, although a Navy nuclear officer, kind of an anti war guy. How did he have a guy who basically said we got to get focused on the great power politics and we have to basically take down the Soviet Union? Sir.

[Tony Lyons]

Yeah, I mean it's a great question because you can't. It's hard to think of two more unalike characters and Jimmy Carter, this peanut farmer, single term governor from Georgia and Brzezinski, this, you know, quite hard nosed, fluent Russian speaking, fluent Polish speaking as well, German speaking, Machiavellian. I mean, you know, a hard nosed foreign policy figure who was not from the establishment. I mean the WASPS rejected him. And when Carter appointed Brzezinski, everybody, all these sort of grand figures like some of your viewers and listeners might recognize Names like Dean Acheson and Avril Harriman and John McCloy, people like that, all urged Carter not to appoint him. Carter does appoint him. And because of the sort of harsh ways of the world, Carter very slowly comes round to Brzezinski's way of thinking, which is, look, we've got to be. We've got to take the fight back for American values and America's position in the world. Remember, the Vietnam War is over. We've got to end the pessimism of the Kissinger, Nixon, Ford era and make the case that we are actually, we're leading the world in technology. It's not the Soviets. You know, they'd launched Sputnik, the satellite, in the 1950s, and it caused a real panic in America that we were losing the Cold War, that the Soviets were overtaking us, and that we therefore had to just find ways of accommodating ourselves to this massive rising technological superpower. And Brzezinski just didn't accept that. And Steve, you referred at the beginning to this book he wrote about the Technotronic era. He was going completely against the grain. He wrote that in 1971, he was going completely against the grain by saying, no, no, no, no, the Soviet Union is a museum to the industrial age. They're not making computers. You know, they're not. They're falling more and more behind us as time goes on. And so Carter, grad to Brzezinski's way of looking at the world, restored all the defense spending that had been cut in the previous. It had been cut by 40%. The American defense budget in the previous decade restored. That had a new sort of generation of nuclear weapons, and that helped sort of bankrupt the Soviet Union because it struggled to keep up. And then here's the Machiavellian bet. You know, Brzezinski did, I think, play a quite clever role in luring the Soviets into invading Afghanistan, to giving them their Vietnam, their quagmire. And that's what happened. And that helped bleed the Soviet Union to death. And this is what Reagan inherited. And he didn't really change anything. You know, Reaganism was in place when Carter left office and Reagan just carried on with it.

[Bobby Kennedy]

What talk to me about also the connection with the Pope, because Reagan comes in, Thatcher's in, President Reagan said, we win, they lose, kind of accelerates it. Right. But the strategy, first off, how do you lure him into Afghanistan? Machiavellian. And to his relationship with Pope John Paul ii.

[Tony Lyons]

So the way he did it, I'm not saying he Got them to invade. I mean, the very sort of mentally unstable, well, aging senile Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev, who was sort of drunk half the time. It was his decision to invade Afghanistan, but he was paranoid that Afghanistan would fall into America's camp. And Brzezinski kept sort of stoking that paranoia. They had a, a leader called Amin, who'd studied at Colombia when Brzezinski was teaching at Colombia. So it didn't take much to stimulate that paranoia. And they didn't, you know, they saw it the south of the Soviet Union, they had a lot of Muslim republics like Tajikistan, Kazakhstan. They feared that there was going to be an uprising in their soft underbelly they thought of as the southern Soviet Union that bordered Afghanistan. And so Brzezinski just like heightened that paranoia and that helped convince this drunken Brezhnev to invade. A really fatal error on his part. The Pope is a fascinating thing because the Pope was from Poland as well. And in fact Brzezinski knew the Pope, Pope John Paul II, that is, who was elected in 1978, first non Italian to become the Vicar of Christ, as they say, in 453 years. Quite a coincidence that you have this Polish speaking Pope all of a sudden and a Polish speaking grand strategist in Washington. And Brzezinski had P for Pope put it on his White House phone because he called him so much. And they work together a lot to try and push this soft power of freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of religion, to just try and generate more unrest and opposition inside the Iron Curtain, the other side of the Iron Curtain, against Communist rule. And the Soviets did come very close to invading Poland. They had 18 divisions lined up on the Polish border, two of them from Germany, by the way. So it's kind of a rather unhappy replay of history to have Poland invaded by Russia and Germany yet again. That's how the Second World War began. But it didn't invade. And the reason why it didn't invade was because the Pope and Brzezinski really helped persuade Moscow that Poland would be like a porcupine, it just would be indigestible. And so, I mean, I don't think history thanks you for things that didn't happen, but this was quite a big thing that didn't happen. And the Pope and Brzezinski, you know, take the medals there.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Let's talk about something that did happen. As a junior officer, I served under at sea during Carter's term and then in the Pentagon during Reagan's. But As a junior officer, I was on one of those carrier battle groups, one on Camel Station and Ganzo Station, North Arabian Sea, because of the Iranian, or as we call it here, the Persian Hostage crisis. That's probably what Carter's known most for, was the failure of that. Walk me through Brzezinski's role in what turned out to be a catastrophe for Jimmy Carter, the nation and Carter's presidency.

[Tony Lyons]

I did interview Carter for this book, obviously before he died, and he said, look, the worst advice he got from Brzezinski was about Iran. So the Shah of Iran had been this close ally of America for decades, and there was this uprising going on led by the mullahs, led by the mosques and the radical Muslim sections of the population. Brzezinski wanted the Shah to crack down on them. He wanted blood in the streets, essentially. And the State Department, led by its ambassador, William Sullivan, thought that Ayatollah Khomeini, who was in exile in Paris, he thought that the mullahs were actually moderates, should be brought into government in Iran and that Khomeini, Ayatollah Khomeini was actually a Gandhi like figure, meaning a sort of really peaceful, nonviolent, which was definitely a very bad misreading. Zakata was conflicted by really different advice. And then the hostage crisis was triggered after the Shah had fled into exile. It turned out for years he'd had cancer, been suffering from cancer, lymphoma. And Carter was persuaded very reluctantly, to accept him into America because this was the only place he could be treated medically for his. And it wasn't true. He could have been treated in many places. And Brzezinski should have got the Shah to renounce the Peacock Throne of Iran, of Persia, the ancient Peacock Throne, as a condition of being admitted into America. But he didn't. And that stoked Iranian paranoia that America was going to install him back on the throne and that this was the first move admitting giving him asylum in America. And so they stormed the Embassy and that 444 day hostage taking crisis began. And that really did finish Carter off against Reagan. I mean, it was lethal. Every night on Ted Koppel and Walter Cronkite, they had this clock and it just hung over Carter like a sort of bad nightmare. And he couldn't get rid of it.

[Ed Luce]

Ed, we gotta bounce.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Where do they get. Where do people get the book, where they go to see all the reviews, your book tour, all of that?

[Tony Lyons]

Oh, gosh, I'm going to lots of different places, having really the time of My life. But I think you can get the book in, in your local bookstore or Amazon or wherever. But Steve, I'm really grateful for you having me on.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Yeah, no, I love it. In fact, we want all of our audience. We'll send you to the where the book tour is going to be. We want you to show up with a red MAGA ball cap. In fact, better Trump 28, we're going to get you the Trump 28 ball. Captain, thank you very much for writing the book. It's amazing. It's a must read. Thank you, sir.

[Ed Luce]

The irony that President Trump is talking.

[Bobby Kennedy]

About a nuclear deal with the Persians. We go all the way back to the Iranian or Persian hostage crisis.

[Ed Luce]

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[Bobby Kennedy]

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[Ed Luce]

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[Bobby Kennedy]

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[Ed Luce]

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[Bobby Kennedy]

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[Ed Luce]

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[Charlie Kirk]

The witness will suspend. The committee will come to order. Capitol Police are asked to remove the individuals from the hearing room. Members of the audience are reminded disruptions will not be tolerated. Members of the audience are reminded disruptions will not be permitted while the committee conducts its business. Capitol Police are asked to remove the individuals from the hearing room. That was a made for C Span moment. The secretary will resume.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Okay, that was Bobby Kennedy yesterday. By the way, a programming note. Captain, the captain, our captain is going to join us tomorrow and give a counter. He's got a. He's got a different view of, of Zabig and, and Carter. So Captain Fennell will be on tomorrow. We're gonna try to work that out. Tony Lyons, if you can cut your phone off, I'll introduce you as a, as a guest. Get Tony Lyons in here. Talk about a disruptor. Yesterday, Bobby Kennedy. It's like a fist fight and a guy can't go to a hearing. And these are all lefties. That was the Ben and Jerry CEO. I mean, these are. Why does the left hate Bobby Kennedy so much when he's standing for Make America? I mean, it's kind of. I love it because something we've worked on for years. But he's been embraced by the Make America Great Again populist nationalist movement.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kennedy]

People that were with him for years are now.

[Ed Luce]

He came and have a congressional hearing.

[Bobby Kennedy]

I mean, you see the cop in there?

[Ed Luce]

The cop came in hard and threw these people out.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Why is the left so enraged about Bobby Kennedy?

[Nicole Shanahan]

You know, they obviously have Trump derangement syndrome. They can't get past it.

[Bobby Kennedy]

It's just everything. Just because he's a partner with Trump.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Right. So these issues are issues that should not be partisan issues. You know, everybody in America ought to want their children to be happy again, to be happy, to be healthy. Why would you not want healthy children? So half of our children now have a chronic disease. You know, that's not enough. 50% of American children. So all around the world, children are healthier. America spends three times the amount of money on health care, on pharma, on public health, than any other of the 30 industrialized countries in the world. And yet our health outcomes are just an absolute disaster. We should be ashamed of that. I mean, you judge a country by the way they treat their children. And we are treating our children like we do not care if they live or die. And Bobby Kennedy, who could have done anything else with his life, he had no reason. He's not doing this for money, not for power, not for fame. He's doing this to help American children, to help all of us, to help our families and to make this country healthy again so we can compete with other countries.

[Tony Lyons]

Okay.

[Bobby Kennedy]

In the 1950s and the 1960s, America at the peak of its power. Post war power, kids were healthy.

[Nicole Shanahan]

You saw videos, Dan, of kids in high schools doing 20, 30 pull ups, pumping out push ups. American children now, they're obese, they have diabetes, they have autism, they have all kinds of issues. And these are not normal. These are not genetic issues. These are toxic issues. These are big companies, big food, big ag, big pharma, big pesticide companies. They are poisoning American children.

[Bobby Kennedy]

From the 1970s, when you have a healthy population, roughly, and all these kids running around to the, you know, the baby boom to 2025. Walk me through, how did, how did we get to, from virtually, I don't know, 1% or 2% of chronic diseases right to 50%. How did that happen?

[Nicole Shanahan]

They were doctors back then who had never seen a child with diabetes, who'd never seen a child with autism. They didn't know what autism was, they didn't know what any of these childhood illnesses. So every child now it seems in high schools all across America, they have allergies to all kinds of things. These kids have been poisoned. This is a crime against humanity. And Bobby Kennedy has said that he prayed to God for 20 years to have the opportunity to fight back, to rescue these children, to rescue the future of the country. And he said, God bless Donald Trump for allowing me to do this. So we've had politicians for the last 20 years saying some of these things, saying them time after time, but getting absolutely nothing done. And we've had grassroots people working around the clock to try to win these battles. But Bobby Kennedy has achieved more in 100 days under Donald Trump than anybody's been able to achieve in the last 20 years.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Walk me through that. Specifically, what, what has been achieved in the first hundred days that's greater than what's been achieved in the last 20 years? The other day Bobby came out in a thing and called out Bernie Sanders by name in the Roosevelt Room right next to the Oval Office when they signed the executive order on prescription drug pricing. But walk me through in the first hundred days why Trump, Kennedy have done more than the last 20, 25 years?

[Nicole Shanahan]

Because Donald Trump and Bobby Kennedy are not afraid of these companies. They're fighting the corruption. So you know, there are all these concepts, like there's this concept called, generally recognized as safe grass so that companies could self certify their own products and their own toxins that they're adding into those products and as safe without any government regulation at all. So this isn't a regulation versus free market question for Bobby Kennedy. He said time after time that he believes the free market will do a much better job than the government has done. Because the government agencies have been absolutely corrupted and they've been co opted by these companies.

[Bobby Kennedy]

So when you say these companies, you mean Big Pharma and Big Medicine.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Big Pharma, Big Medicine, Big ag, big food. So you know, they, so Bobby now has taken the petroleum based food colorings, he's banned them. So these are food colorings that cause ADD and ADHD and probably contribute to Autism, Take them out.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Slow down, slow down, slow down. The counter every night, and this is where you can see an apostate. They hate Bobby Kennedy, actually, I think more than they hate Trump. If you watch MSNBC and cnn, they. Every night they have at least a segment on Bobby Kennedy and the pure hatred it comes through. And here's what they're saying. Everything you're saying about Bobby Kennedy, they're saying is all junk science. It's all psychotherapy. It has no basis in science. What he's doing, even on the food colorings, he has no backup to that. What he's doing on autism and saying that he wants to do research in vaccines because he said, hey, no offense, this thing just popped up after giving all these vaccines. You never had this in the history of America. And it's just not better diagnostics. That's not the thing. One, why did they hate him? And is there any justification at all or backup that Bobby Kennedy's going off of pseudoscience?

[Nicole Shanahan]

Yeah, so that's a. It's a bunch of different questions there. But, you know, so the idea that you can read about in the New York Times day after day is that Bobby Kennedy is dangerous. So the question is, what is. What. What is he a danger to? Who is he a danger to? So he's not a danger to any of us. He's not a danger to moms across America. He's not a danger to children. He's a danger to a corruption system that has poisoned our children. And so those people want to say that science is all settled, that we've figured out everything, right? But if you're a real scientist, and any real doctor or scientist knows that the science is never settled, that anybody who went to Medical School 20 years ago knows that half the things they were taught are proven to be false. So if you're really looking at science, you question everything, you're willing to read everything, to listen to everything, because we have these skyrocketing chronic diseases, and the science that we have, that we're relying on is failing, and we're doing a worse job, like I said before, than any country on the planet, spending so much more money. So we need real science.

[Ed Luce]

How can we spend.

[Nicole Shanahan]

And Bobby Kennedy believes in real science.

[Bobby Kennedy]

How can we spend so much money and have unhealthier kids? How does that work?

[Nicole Shanahan]

I'll tell you exactly how it works. Because this is a corruption system. So you have these big companies hiring lobbyists who go in and basically bribe politicians into making decisions that no rational person would make and then getting people to write stories about it and cover it on the news, that anybody who challenges them is anti science. And so that's just not the way science works. We need people who really are willing to look at it. So we're told, for example, that the science on autism is settled. You think about that for a second. Nobody can give a definition of what autism is. There's no definition for it. There's no blood test for it. There's no way really to determine other than observation, which is, you know, sketchy at best. And then when they say, well, do vaccines cause autism? You can't define a vaccine. What's a vaccine? So there have been five changes in the last decade to the definition of. Of a vaccine. So you're saying that something that you can't define causes something else that you can't define. So that's a question that's not even logical. You can look at the package inserts for a dozen vaccines and you will get symptoms that go into an autism diagnosis. So the science is not settled. Not on vaccines, not on drugs, not on food. These companies are, you know, blood suckers on the American public. And they are doing these things despite real science, despite real public health, and despite any interest in the impact that their actions have on American children.

[Bobby Kennedy]

You know, kind of the fixes in. Because, as you know, we monitor CNN and MSNBC 24 hours a day. If you watch MSNBC, every commercial break, it's two or three drug. And I sit and I go, what are these diseases? I mean, the things blow your head up. But they are literally driven by commercials from the big drug companies. Every break they have at least one, probably two on these drugs. How do we get to that situation where they're now the sponsors of the left?

[Nicole Shanahan]

Yeah. If you took drug company advertising out of media, you might get real investigative journalism once again.

[Bobby Kennedy]

You think it's blocked it?

[Nicole Shanahan]

What's that?

[Ed Luce]

You think it's.

[Bobby Kennedy]

You think the big money has blocked it?

[Nicole Shanahan]

I think the big money has blocked it 100% that we are not investigating any of these problems. So when you say, you know, toxic food dyes, Bobby comes out and he bans these dyes. Right. And the left then comes out with all these stories that he's dangerous, that he's doing something that's gonna hurt children. So, you know, you think about that for a second. Are they seriously gonna tell us that with all of these scientific studies showing that you can get ADHD from toxic food dyes, that any rational person would say that he's done something bad. These are, you know, toxins that cause adhd. Then the big pharma companies, you know, so they're addictive, too. So. So you've got the colorings, you've got the sugar, and you're addicting children to these toxins. And then they get ADHD and then you drug them for it. So you drug millions and millions of children with no way to get them off drugs, no plan. So the answer is getting people off these things, getting the corruption out of Hollywood, getting the corruption out of Washington.

[Bobby Kennedy]

What do you mean, the corruption out of Hollywood?

[Nicole Shanahan]

I mean that every story is backing up this system like it used to be with smoking, right. That you would see movie stars, you know, smoking. All the cool stars smoke. So you would think, oh, well, I want to be like Clark Gable, right? So. And the same kind of thing is true with, with Coca Cola with, you know, toxic foods of all kinds.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Hang on one second. Yeah, that's in the snap. Bill. I think Coca Cola makes $10 billion a year, part of, like $10 billion in the snap.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Yeah. Why on earth would you allow people to use the SNAP program to buy sodas? Is there any nutritious?

[Bobby Kennedy]

You got to have something to wash the Doritos down with.

[Ed Luce]

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[Bobby Kennedy]

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[Ed Luce]

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[Bobby Kennedy]

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[Mike Allen]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Okay, we're gonna have a full screen here. There's a, there's an event, there's a state. There we go right there. There's a state visit by President Trump. We told you earlier today. I'll break this all down at 5:00 and we'll break down the Supreme Court on, on 14th, on the 14th Amendment. Keep that shot right there. That is one of the main reception halls in Abu Dhabi. President Trump said we're with Mohammed Ben Zayed, as we keep saying, MBZ different than mbs. MBZ is really the head of the uae. He is the most significant individual in the Middle East. There's no second. And President Trump thinks very highly of him. You saw today, we're going to have a, we're going to have a better opening tonight because we're going to tie more in that the strong personal relationship that President Trump has with mbz. There's no audio to this right now. There is going to be a state dinner. I think President Trump is going to address making address, of course, real America's voice as we do. We'll cover it all live. Charlie Kirk follows us. Jack Bosobic at 2, Steve Gruber at 3, Eric Bollinger 4. I will do a handoff from Eric at 5. And Natalie tonight is going to do the 6 o' clock show. She got so much news to break that we're going to give her hours. She's going to go through stuff. I'll be back here at 5. I want to keep that shot. Tony Lyons, my guest in the house. Tony, you're a former lefty, now a big part of the MAGA movement. You came at it through the Make America Healthy Again. What is Make America Healthy? What does it even mean? Why is it so important to the merger with this, with Maga? Because this puts us in power for 50 years. And I understand you have a big announcement about Make America Healthy again.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Sure. I mean, Maha is a movement to rescue American children. So what's been happening in this country is American children are under attack and this has to stop. So you go to any high school in America and you see sick children, you see people who are suffering from every disorder you can imagine. It's not happening to kids all around the world. And there are concrete steps we can take to make sure that it doesn't happen here anymore. And it's amazing that President Trump was able to and was willing to bring in Bobby Kennedy. And, you know, Bobby Kennedy has said many, many times, God bless President Trump for giving me this opportunity. And so Bobby Kennedy is going to work day and night, do everything he can to rescue these children. And I think everybody on the right and the left, everybody in America should support him and they should stop kowtowing, stop bowing to these big corporations who are poisoning American children. So, yeah, we have just launched the Maha Institute, which is going to be a policy incubator that's going to come up with, you know, thoughts, policies, programs that actually help children.

[Bobby Kennedy]

And so you're launching, that was last night, you're launching at this big reception you had today. You can announce it. What is the Maha Institute?

[Nicole Shanahan]

The Maha Institute is, like I said, this policy incubator. We're going to bring in grassroots groups from all around the country, and we have them all. Today we're meeting with about 100 different people. Each of them represents thousands and thousands of people in their home states. And we're going to listen to them and have them put forth policy ideas that will then present to HHS in the hope that they will find a way to implement them.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Right there. See on your screen, this is like a Trump rally. Are we in like Akron, Ohio? I mean, these folks are. They're worked up. President Trump, historic, historic trip to the Middle East. One of the reasons I want to have loose on about Zabig was about the book. Was the central part of the whole thing started the Iranian or Persian crisis started on Carter's watch in 1979. And here we are so many decades later with at least some initial resolution to make sure we get rid of these, that there's never get to a nuclear weapon. Very, very controversial. President Trump, I think will announce something. He's saying he's going to announce something today or maybe even tomorrow. We are going to start doing two or three times a week Make America Healthy Again segment to get some of the top thinkers in your mind. What is the cutting edge of Make America Healthy Again thought? I mean, Nicole Shanahan's got a whole. She's one of the founders of the movement. She's got a whole take. She focuses on the food and the soil and that part of it. She's very. She wanted to really put all her people in agriculture. Bobby's over there. You got big pharma, they're going after big medicine, they're going after. He's talking about Medicaid. What do you think is the tip of the spear of what the. What the actual issues are?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Let me just go back for a second to your question on Democrats who've become pro maga. And, you know, I'm one of them. Bobby Kennedy is one of them. Tulsi Gabbard, Nicole Shanahan. Nicole Shanahan. So all of these different people, and if you think about it, people all around the world, I mean, there were people in Syria cheering in the last couple of days because of Trump's policies. And there are people here who've been.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Who basically said, let's try to. We've tried different ways. Let's drop the sanctions, let's try to bring these people in economically. I realize a lot of people in this country say, these guys are isis. You got these terrorists. Trump's saying, in a lot of situation with Qatar, which I'm not totally happy with. He's saying, hey, let's try economics. We've tried everything else. It's all failed. Right. There's still a war. Is that what you're saying, is that he just tries different things?

[Nicole Shanahan]

It's the same kind of thing, you know, that I was discussing with food policies, with agricultural policies, with, you know, all of these things that are part of maha, that Donald Trump has shown that he's open to it. And the Democratic Party that used to stand for free speech, that used to be anti war, that used to be anti censorship, that used to be anti propaganda, is now for all of those things.

[Bobby Kennedy]

I mean, they're for the CIA, they're for the deep state, they're for big Pharma, for big tech.

[Nicole Shanahan]

What happened to the Democratic Party? It's hard for me to imagine that because many of the things that I care about are the exact same things that I cared about before. But you've got Donald Trump making peace all around the world, and the Democratic Party advocating for war all around the world.

[Bobby Kennedy]

It's insane, isn't it?

[Nicole Shanahan]

You know, so what do those words even mean now? So if you think about it, we have a president now who's open to ideas, he's open to cutting edge therapies in, in, you know, medicine. I mean, who wouldn't be for that? And the Democratic Party is part of the corruption holding back new ideas.

[Bobby Kennedy]

On the screen. You see him come. We're in a toss of Charlie Kirk at noon. We got about 60 seconds. Where do people go to make America Health again? Institute. Send them. Send them somewhere.

[Nicole Shanahan]

Sure. They can go to Maha Institute, us.

[Bobby Kennedy]

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[Nicole Shanahan]

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[Bobby Kennedy]

And they're our imprint. They're our partner. Or War Room Books. Got a bunch of War Room Books coming out in this summer. Gonna be huge right there. We're gonna toss it directly to Charlie Kirk. I think President Trump's gonna be coming down and just absolutely looks like a Trump rally. We could be in Akron, Ohio. I just. What does this guy do?

[Ed Luce]

Next level.

[Bobby Kennedy]

Okay, we're gonna break it all down for you. We'll be back at 5. I'm doing a hard transfer over from Eric Bowling today, five to seven a night. We're back here live. See you back in the word.

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