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Episode 4517: Rise Of AI And Decline Of The White Collar Job
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- [00:00]
Jim Vanderhei
A critical look at the future of artificial Intelligence. It's a pretty incredible piece. It's entitled behind the Curtain. A white collar Bloodbath that is could be the result of AI?
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Steve Bannon
Well, yeah. And you know, Jim, people that run AI companies don't want to talk about it. They want to pretend it's not going to happen. Silicon Valley wants to pretend it's not going to happen. Wall street doesn't really want to talk about it. But the fact is, as you report, just like the technological revolution, the IT revolution gutted blue collar workers throughout the 90s and beyond, you're now talking about a bloodbath for white collar workers because of AI. And from, from what you've seen and what you're reporting on, it is going to be a bloodbath for workers.
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Dario Amadei
I mean, that is certainly the warning of Dario Amadei, who is the CEO of Anthropic. And just for your viewers, Anthropic is one of the top creators of this AI, these large language models in the world. So he has better visibility than probably all but two or three people in the world into the power of this technology. He'd been telling us in private for a while that this bloodbath could be coming, but that lawmakers don't want to talk about it, the federal government doesn't want to talk about it. AI companies don't want to spook people. We finally convinced him to go on the record. And his point is like, listen, just play with this technology, not just casually, like once you really dive into it, you realize it can do the work already of researchers, of analysts, of a whole host of entry level white collar jobs. And he put it in the starkest of terms. He said, like, based on their early analysis, over a five year period, it could wipe out half of white collar entry level jobs. Unemployment could spike to 10 to 20% in the next five years. And this is a guy who's building the technology, who's boasting about the power of it. And when we push him on the, if you're building it, like how do you morally kind of think about it in your own mind? And he said, I have an obligation to build the technology. I also have an obligation to get the federal government to get lawmakers to get other AI companies to figure out how do we prepare the American worker and how do we protect the American worker? And so, you know, as someone who runs a company, I run Axios as a CEO, I spend an inordinate amount of time studying AI and how it's going to play out just in my space of media.
- [02:26]
Joe Allen
And.
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Dario Amadei
And I can guarantee you, in the next five years, it's going to radically transform the makeup of our company. Well, every single company in the world is doing this. Every CEO is sitting there saying, should I fill this role? Should I open this role? Will a machine do this better than man in the next couple of years? When you see data out about the difficulty of college grads finding new jobs, this is one of the early, telltale signs that this could be coming in his mind. I think it's sounding the alarm. It's like, listen, we got to have a national debate that this is in 10 years from now. It could be six months from now, it could be 12 months from now. Then there has to be a debate about, okay, how do you make sure that workers are prepared to use artificial intelligence to augment their work, not displace their work? That's what we've been doing at Axios. We give everybody access to the technology. We have a deal with OpenAI. We make sure that every single unit, no matter what your job is, is already playing with this to figure out, how are you going to augment your work so you don't get displaced by it? Hell, I told my own staff, you're committing career suicide if you're not spending 10% of your day experimenting with the technology. And I don't. Most people are. I think people are like, whoa, this is too science fiction. Or, you know, it's a really neat search engine. They're not actually looking at the capabilities. They don't have the time. They have real lives. But I think Dario's point was they might not wake up until it's way too late. And if lawmakers are way too late to it, you could have real issues. You could have unemployment, as he said, 10 to 20% if he's right, which would then lead to obvious political unrest. We have Steve Bannon on the record in there saying he thinks the exact same thing is going to play out. He said Trump's not talking about, but he thinks this will be maybe the biggest topic of the 2028 presidential election.
- [04:06]
Elizabeth
Hello.
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Steve Bannon
Hey, Guten tag.
- [04:08]
Joe Allen
And hola, it's me, or rather my.
- [04:11]
Steve Bannon
AI avatar, here to share Klarna's Q1 2025 highlights. I mean, you have Steve. You have Steve Bannon on the right, you have other people on the left very concerned about this. And, Jim, underline, you underlined a point that I've actually told my kids, which is, if you're going into an interview, if you're if you're going into anything, you are going to be talking and you want to understand a topic. It's just foolish not to go. Go on to a search engine app and a search engine app and dig in deep to try to understand company that you're talking to or an issue that you're talking about better. It's. It is, Elizabeth. It is the future. The future is now. And a lot of the spaces that we work in 10 years from now are going to look completely different because of AI. White collar workers across the country, as Jim said, are going to be deeply impacted.
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Joe Allen
It's.
- [05:16]
Jim Vanderhei
Slop.
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Dario Amadei
Like, total slop.
- [05:18]
Elizabeth
Slop.
- [05:19]
Jim Vanderhei
Yes.
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Joe Allen
AI slop.
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Steve Bannon
It's everywhere.
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Joe Allen
AI will not replace us.
- [05:23]
Jim Vanderhei
AI will not replace us.
- [05:25]
Joe Allen
A.I.
- [05:25]
Jim Vanderhei
Will not replace us. I'm being replaced. AI will not replace us. I'm being replace. AI will not replace us. I'm too valuable. I'm too important.
- [05:45]
Joe Allen
AI will not replace us.
- [05:49]
Jim Vanderhei
Things are getting really heated here with tensions rising quickly between the protesters and the police.
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Steve Bannon
We are replacing you.
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Joe Allen
No, I'm being replaced. I'm being replaced. They will not replace us.
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Dario Amadei
I don't for journalism, I don't think that the machines are going to do the journalism per se, but if you play with it at all, you realize it's going to be a really good copy editor, it's going to be a really good marketer, it's going to be really good at doing research, it's going to be really good at doing marketing, it's going to be really good at taking any piece and maybe creating eight different variations to send it out to all the other platforms. And that's what I would encourage people to do, is play with it, assuming that the hallucinations in the errors go away. Because there are times where it is truly magical, truly magical. And if that were to happen with a human level efficacy, anybody running a company, I'm telling you, as someone who runs a company, they're always going to choose automation because they're going to believe that over time it's going to make their company more profitable and it's going to create more jobs. And that might be true. And that often is true with technology that in the long arc, it creates more jobs. What's different here is this is a technology that could hit hard in the next six to 18 months, and it's going to hit every single role potentially simultaneously. And something that fast, with that kind of breadth could have a much bigger effect than almost any of the topics that they're debating on Capitol Hill. And when you talk to members of Congress, it's alarming how little they know about this topic and how little and how infrequently they talk to their constituents about it. You're doing a disservice to the country if you're not starting to think through what does the world look like in 18 months to three years.
- [07:36]
Joe Allen
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot.
- [07:47]
Jim Rickards
All these networks lying about the people.
- [07:50]
Joe Allen
The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.
- [07:56]
Jim Rickards
You'Re not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Dario Amadei
And where do people like that go.
- [07:59]
Joe Allen
To share the big lie?
- [08:01]
Jim Vanderhei
MAGA Media I wish in my soul.
- [08:04]
Joe Allen
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and.
- [08:10]
Jim Rickards
What is my purpose?
- [08:12]
Joe Allen
If that answer is to save my.
- [08:14]
Jim Rickards
Country, this country will be saved.
- [08:18]
Steve Bannon
War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
- [08:27]
Joe Allen
It's Wednesday 28th May, year of our Lord 2025. Okay, this is the reason we brought in Joe Allen over four years ago to be our editor for all things artificial intelligence. This is why he wrote the great book Dark Aon. This is why he puts material up every day, has been with us. He's working on another huge project for us right now. Today's show is packed. Mark Mitchell will come in and talk about some polling, blow away polling for President Trump of what we voted for. Jim Rickards, Kurt Mills, Jack Bosobic. Folks, I hope you realize this. We said President Trump, one of the first things he's going to do and put his shoulder to the wheel is to stop the kinetic part of the Third World War. It is. We are getting sucked in moment by moment into a kinetic conflict on the Eurasian landmass in Ukraine. And part of this is driven by, wait for it, artificial intelligence, advanced technology. We're going to have a terrific group to walk through that. I've got Joe Allen. So, Joe, this is one aspect of artificial intelligence that we have to get in front of. And the Warren posse is, as you know, is so up to date on this because we talk about this all the time. We brought you and you've done more than a magnificent job. But when they talk and they. Because it's the situation of control technology being used for military aspects. This, this technology which could have and may have tremendous upside for man, but it's Got such unlimited dark side and downside that it has to be reviewed, thought through until, you know, this thing spins out of control. One on the, on the employment that I've been hammering on for now for a couple of years. Just in the last few days, Semaphore, Ben Smith's operation Semaphore did an amazing interview with Cognizant CEO in the buried lead, which was not in the headline. He said today 20 and they're one of the biggest of these IT companies. He said, Hey, 22% of all our coding today is done by artificial intelligence. He said within the next 12 months at least 50% and going to essentially he said, I think he implied 75 to 80% of all coding. You will have coding managers, but the coding be done for artificial intelligence. Microsoft the other day I think laid off what, 3,000 people, announced a 3,000 layoff, 30% because of AI. IBM yesterday or two days ago announced 8,000 people out of their human resources department implied that it was 100% because of artificial intelligence. This is just not on coding entry level and kind of all the way up to mid level. Administrative, managerial and tech jobs are going to get eviscerated. Because the model that Wall Street's looking at right now with all this infusion of capital is an efficiency model. It's not about greater productivity and greater creativity. That may come later. Right now this is they're getting rid of bodies, okay, to be blunt, because they want to drive up earnings, they want higher operating margins. We have to face this because once it's here and they said something there that's very important. Peter Navarro put an amazing piece in the Hill. Brad and I are going to break it all down at 6 o' clock tonight. They really got into the theory of the case. We're talking about of, of what is really in this bill of tariffs and what the supply side tax are going to do. And he makes a very compelling case on the upside, which I support. However, in this, in this vanderhei piece which everybody has to read and Grace, we got to put it out, you need to read the Axios piece today. They're talking about, hey, because of artificial intelligence and some of what Trump's doing, you could have 10% growth, but you also may have 10 to 20% unemployment, particularly of people under 30. And the pressure we have on these people under 30 is great enough right now. Joe, you were able to splice in a couple other shocking artificial intelligence parts into the cold open. Explain. Take a crack. We got a couple minutes. You're going to be here for a couple of segments. In fact, you're going to hang over for the military aspect to talk to me about the Vanderhei Axios piece. Because Axios is the consensus, kind of the cutting edge, ahead of the game consensus of Washington D.C. and of course, it premiered this morning. Morning, Joe. Your thoughts, sir?
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Jim Vanderhei
I think the most shocking thing about that entire interview is Vanderhei openly saying that Axios is incorporating AI into all aspects of their business, or as many are as possible, and that their writers and that their editors and proofreaders and the copywriters, content creators will basically be forced to augment themselves with AI. There are two reasons this is bothersome. One, this is the main message coming out of Silicon Valley. This is the main message coming out of the World Economic Forum. The idea of the fourth Industrial Revolution is that you won't be able to get by without fusing your physical, your digital and biological identities. Basically as a writer, as an editor, as a graphic artist. If you do not make AI a component of your personality, of your profession, you will get left behind. Cyborg eyes or die. The second thing though, that's really bothered some. He mentioned the hallucinations. But the hallucination problem in AI has only gotten worse as the systems get bigger and more sophisticated. The one that nobody really knows why, but one of the reasons most likely is that the freedom that is allowed, the degrees of freedom allowed with AI basically mean that the AI is free to lie to you to make things up. Now, these are the kinds of criticisms you have to keep in mind about the powers of AI. But those videos that you just saw, both the Klarna CEO and also the protesters, that the visuals were entirely generated by AI. If we had shown you the cutting edge of AI video generation three years ago, which we did, if you go back and look, they are clunky, they are warped. This is a whole new level.
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Joe Allen
Hang on for one second, we'll take a break, maybe we'll come back with that. We have to get ahead of this war and Posse has got to do this or we're going to have mass unemployment among particularly entry level people under 30. Short break, back in a moment.
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Jim Rickards
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Joe Allen
It's.
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Jim Vanderhei
Slop.
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Dario Amadei
Like total slop.
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Jim Vanderhei
Slop. Yes.
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Joe Allen
AI slop. It's everywhere. AI will not replace us.
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Jim Vanderhei
Us. AI will not replace us. AI will not replace us. I'm being replaced. AI will not replace us. I'm being replaced.
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Joe Allen
What I want to do, I see that, that's great. That's part of it. But I also want to go back and we can load the beginning of that clip which is even I think more disturbing with the crowd shots and everything like that. So if you tell me when we Denver, tell me when we got that loaded. Three things are happening today and folks to connect the dots are all driven by artificial intelligence. Number one, the Ukraine, this Ukraine war did targeting in Ukraine and we're getting sucked in this. The Ukrainians had a massive attack drone attack into Moscow last night. Alex Jones is, is got this great video of him like going on a ranch for five minutes saying the, the, the Russian attack over the weekend was pretty brutal. Is in response to a drone attack on trying to assassinate Putin. He's got some pretty good details. He's very dialed in. When you talk about drones that's the only protect. They're all, all the fire control solutions are coming from artificial intelligence. So so we're being sucked in. Mark this down. We are with all of President Trump's efforts we are moment by moment being sucked into a kinetic part of a third world war in Ukraine. Number two, Elon Musk gives a very you know I think unacceptable and unnecessary interview with CBS this weekend is breaking really critical President Trump but the whole issue is Doge and artificial intelligence what did they actually find? What was it good for? And I talked to a lot of people in the administration. What's happened? That's all about artificial intelligence, or a lot of it is. And then third, you've got this issue now coming up as you're starting to have these earning reports and these tech companies and some of these big corporations are kind of bearing down. Bearing down in like the 50th paragraph of the earnings report. Oh yeah, we're about to let go 5,000 or 10,000 people. And they either say outright it's about artificial intelligence or because they don't want to be, they imply it's because of artificial intelligence. So this is everyday metastasizing. And if you just wanted to metastasize and hey, we'll see what happens, and the devil catches the hindmost, then fine, just sit back and accept it. It if you want to say, yo, we can't let technology be our master. And that's what's happening here. Joe Allen, your thoughts, sir?
- [19:10]
Jim Vanderhei
Yeah, this is going to be very difficult to master. Let's just assume that these technologies remain as flawed as they are right now. We know that the people creating them, and we know you hear it there on Morning Joe with the Axios editor, that corporations across America and across the world are intent on incorporating AI and the blue collar level robotics at every level, anywhere possible to make it more efficient. They will replace human beings. This is being incorporated in education with AI teachers. This is being incorporated in medicine. You have Dr. Oz talking about that physicians who do not consult AI in the near future will be considered negligent. This is being incorporated in the government. You see it with Doge, clearing the way for AI to be used to employ or to basically replace government employees or force government employees to use it to become, quote, unquote, more productive. And then of course, in the military, AI is being heralded as the key to geopolitical power in the future. But let's imagine they remain this flawed. Then that means basically we are intentionally willfully crippling ourselves with flawed technologies that do have some aspects of superiority as far as data gathering and analysis, but ultimately are rife with hallucinations and other sorts of glitches. Or let's imagine that they are. These technologies are refined to the point that Elon Musk believes they will be, that Sam Altman believes they will be, that Dario Armada at Anthropic believes they will be. Well, then that means these hyper effective, hyper efficient machines will first forcefully augment human workers who are basically cornered and have to adopt them and then replace first coders and then most white collar jobs and then most blue collar jobs with robotics, if it goes the way they plan it is total replacement.
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Joe Allen
Hang on, hang on a second. I want to get to that. So blue collar are skilled artisans and even the robotics in the factory are not the first wave I just sent to as even as we speak the great Dave ramaswamy sent me McKenzie, which is the premier consulting firm throughout the world is going to shed 10% of their worldwide staff. And the implication here is that most of that is driven by artificial intelligence. 10% of the consultant of the administrative, low level managerial and lower level consulting at McKinsey. And that's just the first cut. Right? Go back, hit this again and then I'm going to play the Altman Fetterman clip. Hit it again. That this process of what's going to happen is going to eat through and burn through because it's an efficiency model. All these guys are putting this out in their earnings report because they want to show Wall street that hey, we get it, the first use of artificial intelligence is not to make things better and more productive. That's all going to come later. Their first and they'll talk about that. But the first model they're doing is efficiency. Let's get rid of the humans, right? Particularly on the managerial side and administrative side and technological side. People that don't have advanced skills, right. So they're not like top level surgeons. They're more of the, of the people. When you go into augment the your local general practitioner, he's got an AI robot that takes the place of five or six people on staff. On the media side, I know this talking, our show is very different. It kind of, you know, I think it up with the production staff. We get our experts on, we see what's, what we think is driving the narrative and what's important. But other staffs, if you know they're all reading off a screen, they're all have, they have writer staffs of writers, staffs of producers, staffs of researchers. One person talked to me yesterday, they have a 30 person staff to put up a couple hour show. They have done an analysis about artificial intelligence. They can actually do their show today without the camera producers and those guys, they still keep those. But on the creative side of a 30 person staff, Joe, they would keep three people. They would get rid of 27 people if they, they're not going to do that. But they said and, but they're going to take a chunk they're probably going to let a third of the people go here this year. So walk me through the progression plan in here and how artificial intelligence is basically going to replace the human in white collar jobs.
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Jim Vanderhei
You know, these, these predictions have to be taken with a grain of salt to some extent, because they're all over the map. As far as the exact numbers, just for instance we were talking about this morning, Dario, on the day of Anthropic, who Vanderhei was referencing, told two months ago, told the Council on Foreign relations that within three to six months all coding, or 90% of coding would be done by AI. That was two months ago. And he said that within a year it's possible that all coding will be done by AI, 100%. So that would be 10 months from now. This gives us a good gauge as to how accurate these predictions are, because we'll find out very, very soon how accurately Dario Amadei predicted this wipeout of jobs. But one thing is clear. Whether it is 90% or whether it is 100% or whether it's 40%, this is major. And whether the models hallucinate 30% of the time or 10% of the time or 50% of the time, they want to incorporate them anyway. So kind of the cascade begins, ironically enough, in Silic Valley with the coders. It moves outward to script writers, to content creators, to editors, proofreaders, to graphic artists, to video generation. Creative jobs that are being eaten up by AI slop. Even if it is slop, it's the slop that the managers and the owners and the board members want. From there you have kind of mid level jobs, white collar jobs. You've got paralegals, receptionists, customer service, bank tellers, on and on and on. You also have in medicine, radiologists and people who have to look at, you know, for details in scans. But I don't know about the blue collar. Everybody thought blue collar would be the first. That is definitely not happening. What we do see for sure are rapid advances in manufacturing automation. So these are kind of alien like arms and whatnot that are working on cars or any other electronics products. But you also have the rapid development now of humanoid robots. This is on down the road, but if they can perfect something like a humanoid, then you're talking about wiping out most blue collar jobs. The real important point here is though, Steve, these people want this. They're telling us that this greater replacement is for our own good. So we're supposed to sit around on ubiquitous and entertain ourselves with AI slop. I don't think that's an acceptable future.
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Joe Allen
Real quickly, you got a minute before I go to break. Talk to me about the controversy of the humanoid robot inside technology and artificial intelligence. There is a debate right now of do you make the humanoid robot look human or is that going to freak out humans too much, particularly in the first wave. Should we make it look like something else? So it's not. It doesn't freak people out that they actually are being replaced by something that looks just like them but happens to be a digital machine?
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Jim Vanderhei
Sir, you know, I think they'll go both ways. If you look at the Amazon fulfillment centers with their little humanoid robot digit, it looks like something kind of ridiculous, like a cartoon, something out of Star Wars. If you look at Optimus, it looks like something that will strangle you in your bed at night as you sleep. But then you have, and this is, you know, kind of crass, but you have people who look to these robots for erotic purposes. And I think that's probably where you're going to see the kind of companionship bots. That's where you're going to see people start to accept these strange, almost human, silicone faced robots as companions and romantic partners and so on and so forth. Yeah, it'll be varied, but I think that it's going to be, it's happening now. Some people will accept it, maybe most.
- [27:46]
Joe Allen
Hang on for a second. We're getting more into this, particularly the Ukraine part of this war with these drones in artificial intelligence fire control solutions. Dave, Brad's going to join me at 6. Peter Navarro has got an incredible piece up in the Hill walks through the entire kind of business model of President Trump's putting out. The economic model counts everything. Markets are going to be turbulent, folks. Just take that as a constant over the next couple of years. Understand how to hedge against it. Get the free. Take your phone out. Bannon, 989-898. Go to Birch Gold. Get the ultimate guide to investing in gold and precious metals in the age of Trump. Do it Today.
- [28:27]
Jim Rickards
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Joe Allen
They're happening.
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Jim Rickards
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- [29:34]
Jim Vanderhei
Ranting against the use of AI we will not be replaced by machines. We will not be silenced. We will not back down.
- [29:42]
Joe Allen
You must conserve your special human bodily fluids.
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Jim Vanderhei
No I, E. No ie no l.
- [29:54]
Joe Allen
I, E. What do you hate about A.I.
- [30:02]
Jim Vanderhei
I'M extremely concerned about my fluids.
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Dario Amadei
A.I.
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Joe Allen
Doesn'T have any fluids. A.I.
- [30:07]
Jim Vanderhei
Is not logical. You guys take that on.
- [30:12]
Joe Allen
I don't believe AI can replicate true human creativity.
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Elizabeth
It can't piss in the toilet or.
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Joe Allen
Menstruate or it can't do dishes. It can't walk the dog. It's just stuck inside a little screen. It's slop, by the way. That's all. That's. That's all artificial intelligence right there. I've got Rickards on. So, Jim, we've been talking about. McKinsey just announced it, letting go 10% of their workforce about this really incredible piece by Vanderhe and Mike Allen over at Axios. And it was on Morning Joe this morning about this, quite frankly, a white collar job. Apocalypse is coming. I've got you on the this morning for geopolitics and all this and how we're getting sucked in, I think more and more to the kinetic war in Ukraine and around that kind of arc of instability. Prince, one of the big reasons is artificial intelligence and particularly sophistication of artificial intelligence in drone warfare and fire control solutions. So first off, your overall assessment of and Wall street looks like it's on an efficiency model. You know, McKinsey once announced 10% layoffs, cognizant saying that 50% of their coders are gone in within 12 months. Your thoughts on both the employment part of this that's coming apocalypse and I want to get into Ukraine and it really looks like uncertainty among American policy because Lindsey Graham and the Warhawks are banging the drum that, hey, we're going all in. Jim Rickerts, thank you for joining us this morning in the war room.
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Elizabeth
Yep, thanks. You're absolutely Right. About the job replacement aspect of AI There's a lot more to it. And I know this is not Book TV, but my new book, MoneyGPT, is all about AI as applied to capital markets. But also, this is a chapter on nuclear war fighting. Annie Jacobson had a great book called Nuclear War. She doesn't really talk about AI, but there's never been a better book about what a nuclear war would look like. What I do, in one of my chapters, I inject AI into the kill chain and show how that could make nuclear war more likely. So there's a lot. There's a lot to it. But the job thing. Yeah, I just, you know, just for personal reasons, I've been spending a little time in the hospital lately, and the nurses and the nurse practitioners, they have this little pause. It looks like a little microphone they wear. And it's all A.I. i mean, they're real, but something says, you know, nurse in room 30, please check in. And you do. They do, and they get instructions. Go to room 25, whatever. That's all I got. And I can hear it. I know it's a robotic voice. There used to be somebody who did that, you know, somebody who sat there like a dispatcher and tried to move the nurses around. So it's everywhere. That's going to continue. Now the question is, where. Where does it go and what are the. What's the significance of it? You were talking about creatives, you know, TV writers, basically, or people who. Who are creative for shows. I've taken a number of tests where you get two samples. One's AI generated, one's written by, you know, the human, and we're both anonymous. Can you spot it? I can spot the AI like a sentence or maybe two, but it's pretty easy. Now, can AI produce grammatical English or other languages? You know, just say English. Can it write a script? Can it write a book? Yes, it can. But is it any good? And what. What it cannot do? There's something. This is. I hate to get too geeky, but there's something called the law of conservation of information in the search world. And what it says is that no matter how much speed you have, no matter how much AI you have, it will never find anything new. It can find it faster. It can find it places you wouldn't look. It can find connections that humans would take decades, if ever, to discover. So I'm not saying it's not valuable, but it doesn't come up with anything new. You can. I can, however viewers can. We can come up with A new idea in the next 30 seconds. But AI cannot, it can only find stuff. So now you've got this world where we're going to substitute AI for humans, but you're losing the creativity. And then you've got Zuckerberg and others saying, well, what's the big deal? We'll just give everybody a check that's guaranteed basic income or it goes by a couple different names. But yeah, put everyone on a government payroll, let them meet Doritos, watch TV and let a handful of people around the world. That's what they're getting at. They won't get there. And I explain why in my book. It has to do with the lack of common sense, but the dangers along the way. Like, yeah, this is efficient. I just got rid of 10% of my workforce. Whatever that's happening, it's going to continue to happen. But we're counting the pennies from those savings and we're ignoring the dangers, which are the ones I referred to, which is it doesn't have common sense, it doesn't have empathy. You actually can't program that. You cannot program common sense. But take it out of the equation of decision making and you get disaster.
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Joe Allen
But sometimes it overwhelms common sense. Let's go to your kill chain theory. And by the way, if you go to rickardswarroom.com the landing page, you get assets, access to strategic intelligence. This is a C suite. Read if you want to see what chairman and CEOs decision makers throughout the world are reading and incorporating the decision maker. This is what Jim gives you access to. So you got the war room and you got Rickards strategic intelligence. You're loaded for bear. He also throws in the book money GPT, which I told you, hey, it's. You read it. You're not going to be sleeping on the first night after you read it. Part of it is that nuclear. Talk to me about the kill chain. My concern now is in Ukraine, you see an escalation and it's not troops and trenchers right now. They're not fighting for strategic hamlets. You've got an air war going on that is as sophisticated in air wars you've ever seen with these drones. And if you believe Alex Jones, and I do, the response of the Ukrainians is coming or the Russians that kind of escalate. This is coming off a very sophisticated attack to try to take down Putin. And this is all driven by artificial intelligence. This could not happen unless you had artificial intelligence. Is that leading us into really a shooting war where we're going to be an active participant.
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Elizabeth
Jim Rickards yes, there's no doubt that that's from, you know, Macron, Starmer immerse in Germany, you know, the eu such as they are. Zelensky himself, warmongers and the US Lindsay led by Lindsey Graham, but with a lot of support, a lot of other and candidly Mike Walsh, who was kind of out as national Security Advisor, but some of those people were in the White House. That's what they wanted all along. And we're going to have a ceasefire and then we're going to send troops in to enforce the ceasefire. Well, first of all, the ceasefire is a fraud. The west has lied about every engagement with Putin. You can't blame Putin for not trusting the west or not signing up to a ceasefire. Minsk 1 was a lie. Angela Merkel said so. I mean that's not just my speculation after the fact. She said we never intended to abide by that. Minsk to same thing. CIA and MI6 and Victoria Nuland running the coup in 2014. Then Putin takes Crimea. Then they continue to attack the Russian speaking population. Eastern Ukraine. Putin launches a special military operation. Same thing in Georgia in 2008. What part of invasion do you not understand? You keep pushing Putin. And by the way, Steve, in the past week, week, last couple of days actually New York Times and the other kind of deep state outlets where, you know, Russia launches greatest, you know, attack most drones, most targets, most explosives, et cetera, on Ukraine, which is true, by the way. But what they left out was that that was in retaliation to a large Ukrainian attack in the days before deep inside Russia. And just quick footnote, Mertz, I'm not that powerful actually. Chancellor of Germany okayed the use of Western weapons and German weapons to strike deeper, you know, basically Moscow, deeper inside Russia. They did try to, to kill Putin. He was visiting Kursk, which is part of the Russian Federation.
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Joe Allen
But hang on a second. But Mertz, we're gonna have Harnwell on here because Harna will do the research. Mertz implied that the Americans it was, it was France, the United Kingdom and Germany and the United States, the big four in NATO. He implied, I think he lied. I haven't seen anything out of the White House. I haven't seen any advisers saying that we've had Ben kind of search and Tammy Bruce, our dear friend who's over at the State Department wouldn't confirm or deny yesterday when confronted by reporters. So this is my point about sucking the United States in. Do you believe that we've authorized the use of those Weapons to do deep strikes into. Into Russia, sir?
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Elizabeth
Yes, either explicitly or implicitly. What I mean by that is if they're talking about it and they're starting to do it, the US is on board. Let me put it differently, Steve. If the US didn't want that to happen, it wouldn't happen. So if it's happening, and I believe it is, then the US has greenlighted it one way or another. But yeah, whether it's money, weapons, deeper strikes inside Russia, the use of drones, you're absolutely right about artificial intelligence. Ukraine doesn't have that kind of artificial intelligence. Ukraine doesn't have, have the satellite surveillance, they don't have the computers, they don't have the targeting ability. That's all this has been revealed. I mean, it's not, you know, a surprise. It's all being supplied by the United States in West Germany, etc, and it's all designed to put pressure on Putin. But I, I don't know what happened to the Western ability to understand Russia and Putin. They don't. I mean, a couple things about Putin, I'll just, I'll tell you. He does not bluff. If he says he's doing something, he'll do it. If he says he's going to do something, he'll do it. He does not bluff. This idea that Putin's bluffing. Let's call his bluff. That's a short path to World War iii. Number two, they're not going to agree to a ceasefire. Why should they? They're winning. The side that's winning doesn't do a ceasefire. They keep going. You want to cease fire? Okay, surrender or agree to our terms? Yes. Then you'll get your ceasefire, but not because you say so. And by the way, Ukraine has lied about everything. If you had a ceasefire. They're not going to, but if they did, Ukraine would use it to build up more weapons, try to suck. US troops are already there. And you know, not non uniformed intelligence assets, you know, paramilit, etc. That's, that's always been true. But yeah, they, they want, they want us boots on the ground because the minute you kill one American in uniform in Ukraine, now there's no, there's no backing down. You know, you gotta, you know, you do have World War Three. I would say we're already there. See, we're. This is a war between Russia and the United States. It's what Biden wanted. It's what Blinken and Jake Sullivan and Victoria Nuland and now Lindsey Graham. It's what they want. They got It. Okay, nice going. But the question for Trump is.
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Joe Allen
But hang on, Jim, you're making my head blow up. President Trump specifically ran and he's an advocate of peace through strength. The last. His, as we keep talking about the verticals, his number one vertical that he led with is laying down our guns, our weapons and getting some sort of least ceasefires to stop the kinetic part of the third World War in Ukraine and in Israel, Gaza, in this whole conflict with Persia and in the Red Sea. Isn't that his number one priority? How do you. What is it that is drawing us inexorably into this war? What, what is it the deep state? Is it the, is it the, the arms makers? I mean, Joe Allen will come in here and he'll talk about Palantir and, and all these, you know, Palmer Lucky's company, all these companies using artificial intelligence and advanced technology that are selling, you know, unlimited weapons. I mean, Palmer's business plan is saying, hey, I'm creating the gun shop for the world. Right. That the Pentagon's underwriting, but also everybody's profiting from is what is inexorably drawing. This is like World War I, where nobody could figure out how we got into this mess until there were hundreds of thousands of people dead. And then the vengeance and the acrimony take over and you can't stop. We've separated ourselves from that. Are we being sucked in now by the deep State, sir?
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Elizabeth
Yes. And you pointed out World War I as well. Taken. I've read, picked up several, like 600 page books on World War I. I can never finish any of them because I'm like, I don't get it. Like, yeah, 20 million people were killed. But why. You can never get to the. Why World War II is different. Yeah, no, it's absolutely being sucked in. And you know, Trump could end the war tomorrow with a phone call and basically you have to agree to Putin's terms. But what's so wrong? Feel bad about that because he won the war. You know, you should have, you should have thought of that in 2014 when you provoked the war and after the coup. So. Yeah. And by the way, on the arms manufacturer, Steve, here's how you know this. Here's how it works. We say we spent $200 billion on Ukraine. Well, we did, but the way we spent it was giving money to our own arms manufacturers to build new stuff. And we sent Ukraine the surplus. The high Martin missiles didn't work. The Russians jammed the gps. Bradley fighting vehicles left burning on the ground. The APEX tanks didn't work. They were blown up, you know, by mines and you know, drones, etc, the kind of thing you're talking about, the F16. Why do you not hear about F16s? Took three years to get F16s? You don't hear about them because they get shot down by the, the S4 hundreds. So that was all surplus stuff. That was all out of date stuff, some of it from the 80s.
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Joe Allen
Jim, hang on, hang on, hang over a second. You're going to stick with us for a while. We got Jim Rickard, Mark Mitchell is going to join us for asking us some polling lot to go through.
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Jim Rickards
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Jim Vanderhei
You of of you.
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Joe Allen
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Welcome back. Joe Allen, you have some thoughts about this artificial intelligence and integration into advanced military systems. I think we're being exact, inexorably drawn and it's part of it's the deep state countering President Trump, what President Trump wants to do and you can see in this polling in, in South Carolina with Lindsey Graham, which he's deeply underwater. A big part of this is MAGA that says, no, we do not want to be sucked into any more the wars between Israel, Persia or Ukraine and Russia. We don't want to be sucked into this. If we do, if we go in at all once we want to make a conscious decision. But right now we're getting dragged into this thing. Part of the reason, I think, is what Rickard just said. These are not Ukrainian weapons and their weapon systems and they're not Western Europe weapon systems, they're American weapon systems, particularly the artificial intelligence and drone part of it. Joe Allen.
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Jim Vanderhei
Steve, I think back to when the invasion first unfolded and I was in D.C. with you in the studio and you said, what is the, you asked me what is the artificial intelligence angle on this? Surely that is going to be the most important part of this war. At the time it was mostly, it's pretty much all conventional weapons, Javelin missiles and tanks and so on and so forth. That has changed dramatically. And at the beginning of the year of 2023 when they first kind of rolled out ChatGPT at the World Economic Forum, you also had Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir, speaking there at the World Economic Forum and he talked about how Palantir had donated their software, their target acquisition software and other systems to Ukraine and openly said that Ukraine is a kind of laboratory for new military technologies. Since then, Palantir's stock shares have skyrocketed. Their influence on the federal government and their involvement in various federal programs, from health care to the military to other sorts of efficiency projects is clear. You also have, you know, Palantir was co founded by Peter Thiel and one of Peter Thiel's proteges, Palmer Luckey, has a company, Andrill. They're also partnering with Ukraine for surveillance. They're working on new models of death drones. And to Lucky's credit, he insists that humans should always be in the loop. But they're creating systems that are capable of autonomous decision making, of killing with no human oversight. This is also, you know, it's not just this kind of right wing tech circle. You also have the kind of liberal left people like Eric Schmidt, who founded White Stork with the explicit mission of creating drones for Ukraine. You have AI being employed in the Israel, Palestine conflict. This is going to be a major issue and really the military aspect is the hardest to say. We don't need it. If it works, it works. Right now Ukraine and Israel is showing us whether or not it really works and really the results are questionable. But undoubtedly the intent is to infuse AI at every level possible.
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Joe Allen
So Rickards, this is like the von Schlieflin plan In World War I, the logistics plan and making sure it all came together once it started, you couldn't stop it. The Germans had a plan to how everything had to come with the trains and the people and the weapons and the systems. And the system took over from human judgment. This is why you started World War I. It was so bloody in the first, you know, the Guns of August. It was so bloody and it got out of human control because they had systems at the time built on railroad schedules and efficiency and technology that overwhelmed human judgment at the time. And the system was the solution. Is that not exactly what's happening in Ukraine right now? It is a laboratory. It's a laboratory for these big weapons makers. And look, Palmer, Lucky is as good a guy as you want to meet. I mean, he's pure maga, a really good guy. He's the brother in law of Matt Gaetz. Ginger's his brother. And Palmer, look, his heart's in the right place. But is artificial intelligence in the target acquisition, the technology, When Ukraine, if you believe Alex Jones, and I do, because he's very well sourced, did a major attack and almost assassinated Putin the other day with an artificial intelligence driven drone attack, sir.
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Elizabeth
That's exactly right. The Von Schlieffen plan was defeated by rain and French taxi cabs. So there's this random element. Joe is exactly right about Ukraine being a laboratory for everything we're discussing. But who's winning the experiment? Who's coming out on top in the science? So when we started shooting the Himar missiles, they were hitting their targets and the Russians said, okay, they're GPS guided. How do we jam the gps? They figured that out on the fly, meaning in real combat conditions they defeated that system. Those systems are now worthless and obsolete. But that was something that was developed in combat during the war itself. That's going on the Reshtik missile, which struck a target near the Dnieper river, that it turned a large target set into dust. It didn't blow it up or it turned into dust with no explosives. That was kinetic, that was 100% kinetic at 10,000 miles per hour and created basically turned the earth into the equivalent of a tsunami. So you had an earth bound earthborn tsunami, sine waves and just everything literally turned to dust. That's new. So do we have that? No, we don't. So yeah, Joe's right. About the laboratory aspect of it. And that's probably true of a lot of wars. But right now Russia is not only winning on the ground, they're winning the science contest, the blue ribbon because they're making much greater advances. Which is not to deny the fact that a lot of US technology, some of which is how they classify it, is going into the fight as well. So a proxy war, it kind of understates what's really going on. I mean both sides are fighting to the last Ukrainian, but they're major advances. And one of the things that's revealed is the utter weakness and hollowness of NATO. It's a good thing Putin doesn't want more than half Ukraine because he could go to the English Channel and I think it's been borne out.
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Joe Allen
Wow. Jim, hang on for a second. You're going to hold. Over to the next hour I want to talk about the kill chain that's in money. GPT.
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Jim Rickards
Jim Rickards.
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Joe Allen
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