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Episode 4518: The Sovereign Versus The Globalist; Defending Our Elections
Episode 4518: The Sovereign Versus The Globalist; Defending Our Elections ...
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people regions. I got a free shot.
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Kurt Mills
All these networks lying about the people.
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Steve Bannon
The people have had a belly full of it.
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Kurt Mills
I know you don't like hearing that.
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Steve Bannon
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.
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Kurt Mills
You'Re not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Mark Mitchell
And where do people like that go.
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Jack Posobiec
To share the big lie?
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Mark Mitchell
Maga Media I wish in my soul.
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Steve Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Kurt Mills
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Mike Lindell
War room.
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Jack Posobiec
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Steve Bannon
It's Wednesday the 28th of May in the year of our Lord 2025. Let's go. We now in Hungary. He's left Poland is the great Jack Bosobic. Jack, you join this conversation. We've got, we've got Jim Rickards, we've got Joe Allen. We're all about artificial intelligence, the battlefield, what's happening and sucking us in inexorably into this war between Russia and Ukraine or Russia and some of the European powers. We also have the great Kurt Mills from American Conservative. We're going to get his perspective on all of it and particularly the Persian part of this. So you gave a speech and for people in the war room, it was classic poso. But there must be a lot of people not listening to the war room because your speech in Poland, brother, is going mega viral. What did you say? And why are people that are maybe not familiar with Jack Posobec all of a sudden saying, wow, listen what this guy's saying, sir.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, Steve, thanks so much for having me on. And the speech, you know, the war room audience will come as no surprise that I gave in Poland yesterday was really just a speech about borders, language, culture and faith. And in Poland, just like all over here in Eastern Europe, Hungary as well, this is what the fight's all about. But it's actually the same fight that we have in the United States. And people will say, well, how can you go to Poland? How can you go to these other places? And I say, well, wait a minute, because we're all facing the same thing. The creeping godless atheism, the that is globalism and it's about all nations and all people having the right to self determination as opposed to the transnational cult of Davos, the transnational cult that's run out of Brussels. The late Keir Starmer, or, excuse me, the late Klaus Schwab Keir. Starmer's still with us, unfortunately, for a little bit longer, though. He's trying to sound a few different notes the other way. But look, Steve, I think this one was different because for a lot of people, they could tell that I was speaking very personally. It was an emotional speech for me because where we were, where they held CPAC, Poland, was only about 40 minutes away from where the Posobic village is in Poland, right near Lezhaysk, which is very, very close, by the way, to the Ukrainian border. And so for me, returning to the land of my ancestors, the land of my forefathers, the land of my heritage for the first time, to give a speech and talk these very same things was extremely personal, extremely important.
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Steve Bannon
So 80 years after this cataclysmic war that was dead center in the middle of the most bloody century in mankind's history, the new Dark age, from the August 1914 until really November of 1989 with the fall of the Berlin Wall and Tiananmen Square and all that, right now you've got another war that's actually bloodier than the beginning of the Second World War, and it's getting nastier. Part of that's driven by. And it seems like with all of your sitting there and going, hey, we had the same fight and, you know, we got to realize this godless atheism inside the American government, inside the American power structure of Wall Street. The corporations, the oligarchs, they all want it. And we're being inexorably pulled in with the greatest single leader we've had since, since I think, Abraham Lincoln. And I'm including FDR and Ronald Reagan in that. You have a man that's adamantly opposed to getting sucked into here. He is, he is adamant about he's going to bring peace and attempting to increase peace. Over the last 72 hours because of drones and artificial intelligence and bad intentions, we're getting sucked in more and more to this war. And Poland will be sucked into the vortex of this more than any nation on Earth. Sir.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, sir. Steve, Poland has already been involved in this and sucked in in so many ways. Poland taking millions and millions of Ukrainian refugees, by the way. Poland not taking in the economic refugees from the Middle east that have been trying to come in, but instead taking the actual war refugees that are fleeing this conflict from Ukraine that, that have come in. And groups like Caritas and others that I've been supporting along the way have done a great job. That's A Catholic group that's in there in Poland that focuses just on war refugees has done incredible work to help them. Steve, Poland also facing huge economic inflation issues similar to what we heard in 2024 because of their involvement in the war. And that town, Zhezhov, where we were, that's the key military transportation hub for all the NATO equipment, comes down into southern Poland in that city of Zhezhav. They ride it on the train right past my family's village and then it goes into Lviv and then from there on down to the front line or the munitions go out and are dispersed as well. As by the way, as we're now hearing, these Taurus missiles, these long range missiles, they're all coming through with this entry point as well. And of course you've got mers, the German chancellor saying, well, we're giving Zelensky this authority to strike deeper and deeper into Russia. Of course, Moscow saw drone strikes last night. And the question is, and you hear Merz trying to trap Trump on this, he said we got sign off from the United States of America. I don't remember hearing President Trump say anything about that. I follow his true social. I've heard him. I go to the White House all the time. I've never heard anything about President Trump saying we authorize this. But Chancellor Merz seems to think that it is. But Steve, what's really going on with this escalation is I think from both sides, the Russians and the Ukrainians, the, they've been offered this cease fire deal by President Trump. They did do the prisoner swap over the weekend. But it sounds like it is a resounding thanks, but no thanks in terms of the cease fire. These guys want to slug this thing out.
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Steve Bannon
They were, they were attacked. Ukraine attacked Moscow with I think with 300 drones last night in a coordinated attack. Rickards, let me get you back in here because I'm with, I'm with, I'm with T.O. and I don't think I'm too naive. But you're saying we are naive in the fact that merts wouldn't be allowed to say that, and more particularly they wouldn't be able to hit inside these targets unless the United States has somehow given them behind the scenes the okay and just don't want to have our hands dirty. Is that what you're saying, that somebody, either President Trump or somebody's administration has given the wink and the nod to Mertz to basically say uk, France, the United States and Germany all authorize this?
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Jim Rickards
Sir, that's exactly right. And in addition to the green light, and whether it was a wink or nod or, you know, something secret, it doesn't matter. They got the green light. But beyond that, the Germans couldn't do it. Ukrainians and the Germans couldn't do it without US intelligence, targeting, surveillance, analytics, etc. So the US is supporting, whether it's implicit or explicit. Explicit. You know, leave that to the historians. But the US has greenlighted this. There's no question about it. By the way, people don't understand. The armchair generals don't understand how restrained Russia has been through this entire special military operation. Okay, maybe a million Ukrainians dead. It's a war and it's a bloody war. It's highly lethal war. But Russia could level Kiev in 24 hours and get rid of his. Lastly, level the entire city. Why haven't they? Well, because they would like to win on their terms. And the Russian way of war is very slow. But if you keep escalating to Russia, Russia will escalate back. Russia has actually been very restrained, and that will start to go away. We will move closer to World War iii, the kind of scenarios we've been talking about as we escalate. But we're escalating through AI and drones. You're absolutely right about that. But this is so dangerous. And the sooner we get out and stop facilitating it, the better for the world.
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Steve Bannon
But you're saying. And President Trump has said, hey, we're going to wash our hands of it, but liberal media or mainstream media will say, you know, Bannon's got Kurt Mills on, he's got Jim Rickards on. These guys are apologists for the Russians. You know, Mills and the American conservative. Never seen an enemy. The United States has there. So what is your counter to, hey, Rickards is lost the plot here. And he's just a mouthpiece and stooge for a dictator like Putin who. Who has just ground this country into nothing. And he's basically telling President Trump, just agree to whatever Putin wants and let's walk away and get out of there, sir.
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Jim Rickards
Yeah, well, Steve, I'm one of a handful of people who actually follow the plot very closely. So that's the first answer. But, you know, when you have a debate like that, why don't we use facts? So, Lindsay, what does Lindsey Graham want? What is his proposed Senate legislation? Extreme sanctions on Russia. Excuse me, this would be the 17th round of sanctions since February 2022. If 16 rounds of sanctions have failed, why on earth do you think the 17th round is going to work? What he's doing is what's called a secondary boycott, which is, okay, we already banned Russian imports of certain things, exports of certain things, et cetera. That's all. It has all failed, by the way. Leave aside the fact that it's all failed. But now they want to say, well, okay, let's do a secondary boycott. What is that? So if you' Chinese bank and you facilitate a Russian transaction, we're going to punish the Chinese bank in a lot of different ways. You know, shut down your branches in the U.S. limit access to dollar payment systems. There are ways to do it. First of all, nobody cares. One of the reasons the sanctions have failed, not the only one. But nobody has joined in. Brazil, China, India, Turkey, Malaysia, these are some of the largest economies in the world. India has now passed Germany and Japan or sorry, Japan at least is fourth largest economy in the world. They're not in. They haven't jo the sanctions. So sanctions don't work if you don't have a partnership. Number one, everyone has workarounds. You call them ghost vessels, call them whatever you want. You reflag the vessel, offload the oil in mid ocean, etc. They're easy work. Mark Rich figured this out in the 1980s, in the 1990s, remember we had sanctions on Iraq. They didn't work either. That's good. Mark Rich knew how to get around it. And we still do. The insurance ban, all it did was diminish Lloyd's global market share. The insurance market moved to Shanghai. So they failed. They're going to keep failing. It's just. But, but. So what's the purpose? Well, the purpose is exactly what you say. Get the US involved somehow, you know, drag this out, keep the weapons going, keep the money going somehow get us boots on the ground. And now you're, now it's Vietnam and, and it'll be Trump's war.
- [11:47]
Steve Bannon
We'll have, we'll have Mark Mitchell on here in a while hopefully. And, but the polling on Lindsey Graham's 37% among Republicans in Maga in, in Carolina and this one thing they bring up that this guy's a warmonger and this is from veterans and you know, patriotic kind of hawk Americans who don't want to see, we see another 20 or 30 year war here that can end anyway. Poso in Poland with this election coming up, the sovereignty, the sovereignty group versus the globalist group. Are they though united on where do they come out on this war in Ukraine and particularly American involvement.
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Jack Posobiec
Look, Steve, when it comes down to it, you know, Poland for a Lot of reasons. Is a much different strategic calculus for them vis a vis the Russians than it is for the Americans. For them, Russia is not some abstract force on the other side of the world. It is literally next door where this war is being waged in Ukraine after the Russian invasion. And so for them, support for NATO and having that strong NATO alliance is key. That's why you hear these guys coming out and saying, oh, we want to work with Trump. We want to work with Trump. But, Steve, don't forget that the husband of the current Polish defense minister in the liberal side, the globalist side, is married to none other than Anne Applebaum, the queen prince of the globalist herself over at the Atlantic. So they're deeply infiltrated at the highest level.
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Steve Bannon
Victoria. Victoria Newland, sorority sister, Real quickly, you're in Hungary. What is Orban? Orban is. Orban has looked. He's been ostracized because he's been rational about this. What is Viktor? Give me a minute on Viktor Orban.
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Jack Posobiec
Look, Viktor Orban's position has been simple. It's been. He said, look, whatever you want, Russia is always going to be at the other end of this continent from us. So we'd rather work with them than pick another fight with them because we've seen how that turns out.
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Steve Bannon
Jack, can you stick around through the break? I know you're in Hungary and you're very busy with media hits and, and talking to officials. Can you? Okay, Jack Posoba is going to stick with us. Jim Rooker is going to stick with us. Joe Allen's going to stick with us. Kurt Mills is going to join us. Ben Harwell. We're loaded on a Wednesday, folks. I'm telling you, this artificial intelligence, we got to get our arms around it asap. You cannot put it off any longer. Cannot do it. But it is also inexorably drawing us into this conflict. We got to make a stand now. President Trump needs our support more than ever because he sent 100 globalists home from the National Security Council back to their original points of departure, whether the Pentagon, CIA, et cetera. But the globalist drive in the American government is unbelievable. They're fighting President Trump. Birch Gold, take your phone out. Birch Gold, text Bannon. That would be me. 989-898. Get the ultimate guide to investing in gold in the age of Trump. And get in contact with Philip Patrick and the team at Birchgold. Do it today.
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Jack Posobiec
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Steve Bannon
Okay, we've got a, we've got a team of all stars here. It's pretty amazing what we were able to pull together on a Wednesday without artificial intelligence, I might add. But we got Mark Mitchell. So Mark, I want to set the stage for this as a discussion. You guys at Rasmussen are the best at polling MAGA and polling a Brown President Trump. You've got some, quite frankly pretty amazing numbers out, particularly things I track like right track, wrong track with the feeling of the country is walk me through the reality of kind of these great numbers for President Trump.
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Mark Mitchell
Yeah, the way I look at it is we poll daily presidential approval rating and maybe that's a report card for the presidency, the administration. But in my opinion, right direction, wrong track is more of a report card for basically the democracy. It's an important number and something that a pollster should be laser focused on because it means if the number goes up that Americans are actually getting what they voted for. And surprise, over the last two decades of polling for Rasmussen's history, voters have not been getting what they've been voting for and the number has been horrifyingly low for almost all of Obama's term. Right. The action was essentially 30%. Joe Biden was kicking around in the high 20s and high 30s. All of a sudden Trump2.O comes in and we're setting records right and left. And I saw something yesterday that I never thought I'd see in my polling career is a 50% right direction print, which means in layman's speak that a majority of us likely voters for the very first time in Rasmussen polling history think the country is headed in the right direction. Only 45% wrong track net plus 5. We've had quite a few prints now with a positive net right direction number and 100% of them have been in Trump 47. It's really unprecedented.
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Steve Bannon
Now when I, when I took over the campaign in 16, this is the number that Pat Cadello, everybody been pulling on since really the reality of the Iraq and Afghanistan war since that whole debacle, 2/3 of the nation thought we were on the Regardless who the this is why Obama's hope and change turned out to be nothing. People just saw through it. Two thirds, one third is the thing a three handle something at 33 or 35% to 37%, that's the American, that's the number of Americans traditionally think we're on the right track. That's why this is historic. You guys have been doing this for how many years, sir? On right track, wrong track, how long?
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Mark Mitchell
Going back to 2006. So this definitely includes the first term of Barack Obama. And I'm sorry, Barack Obama. Trump's numbers just blow you out of the water. And Trump approval numbers are now setting records compared to Obama as well in a couple of respects. And so basically, again, this is just higher than we've ever seen. Although it was elevated. Voters were also happy in the direction the country was going. In Trump's first term, he averaged about a 4035 to 40% over his term. But Covid was in there and it made it kind of weird. The previous record high was January of 2017 and the previous high before that was February of 2020 when it was soaring again for economic, not political reasons. And we all know what happened next. And so here we are basically round tripping right direction from COVID hot pre Covid highs. And it's because voters like how Trump came in and we've talked before about how all of his policy agenda items are more popular even than he is. But I'll tell you what, like Doge was super popular. People understanding the level of waste, fraud and abuse. This election in the fall was a referendum on business as usual in Washington D.C. now I think it's summertime. I think people are chilling out now. I think we got through A period of economic unease. I don't know what the geopolitical situation is going to do, but what I do think is that if Republicans don't get it together, people are going to start paying attention in ways that they have not before as we approach the midterms. And I can tell you that there is a lot of potential for this to get screwed up and it would probably come from Republicans right now. We asked a question like we asked people how they rate the job that Congress is doing. Only 16% of Republicans say excellent. That's a low number. Can't get to a majority with excellent plus good. And then we asked you agree or disagree? Congress is not delivering on the mandate that they have been given. And this is from just last week. 60% of Republicans at least somewhat agree with that statement. So that's pretty profound. And again, a lot's been happening. People are generally happy with the stuff they're seeing out the Trump administration. But as far as like you and I both know, a lot of it's been been promises and executive orders. And Congress is in my opinion outward view, not breaking a sweat here.
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Steve Bannon
I know you got to bounce, but I just want to go back. I know what this audience voted for and what I voted for in some of my panelists voted for. And I'm always putting up, hey, this is what I voted for. Going after Harvard. What is it that American people more than the maga, right. What are the American people seeing that now have over 50% of us saying that, our countrymen saying that it's, it's we're on the right track.
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Mark Mitchell
I think there's a lot of positive headlines. I think that there's things about accountability coming out. There's the executive orders, there's all of these major business deals. It's hard to point your finger at any one thing. But Trump came out of the gates really strong. Doge was very popular. Trump, Doge was actually more popular than Trump was back in January and February when it was in the headlines. And we had a number of 70% of people who were very or somewhat angry at the level of waste, fraud and abuse coming after coming out of the government. And we also had almost 70% of people who supported Doge style audits of major government programs like Social Security. Now we're talking about, it's like great that there were the tax cut promises, but again, it all just looks like behind closed doors, business as usual. Washington D.C. back scratching going on. When are they going to up the energy level? Listen, from an outsider perspective, I have to assume that if the Democrats get back in control, they're going to take a hatchet to things like the Supreme Court or maybe the 60 vote limit in the, in the Senate. Why is that not on the table right now? Why are we not having the Senate forcing the Senate to filibuster legislation for things like election integrity that should be one page easy wins because 90% of the country supports it. Why are we not doing that? Make them talk around the clock to defend why we're not going to fix our elections. People are talking about Epstein on Twitter and we asked how important is it that they release Epstein documents? 35% say very important. I think it was like 67% say at least somewhat support important. But we asked how important is it for the Trump administration to release proof of election fraud? 47% very important. And it's in the 70s, at least somewhat. So that issue, in my opinion isn't really even being talked about. And it was, as we've talked about many times, a key issue for 2024. And so institutional trust I want to hammer. That is the problem over and over again. And if we slip back into just dcbs, it's going to crumble. And already we had our first generic ballot of the cycle last week. Democrat plus one. Democrats have not been up in a generic ballot for Rasmussen in like two or three years now. And so for the Democrats to take a lead for Republicans to slide, I can only assume that it's a reaction to what people are seeing going on right now. People voted Trump in. They had to vote Republicans in like by proxy. But I think that there is a huge opportunity for Republicans to lose this support. And the party is still the party. We all know it. Donald Trump is really good. He's got a grassroots army that helps Donald Trump get elected. Haven't yet seen it. Get your bog standard Republican elected.
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Steve Bannon
Where do people go for all this amazing insight and reportage and analysis, Sir?
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Mark Mitchell
I love Twitter. I'm on there all day at Honest Pollster. The handle was available, believe it or not and Rasmussen Underscore poll and we stream a few times a week, usually late at night. Hit us up on YouTube, rumble or getter at Rasmussen Underscore poll. Hope to see everybody there.
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Steve Bannon
Thank you. We want to have you back when you get another bite at these numbers. Incredible. Over 50% think the countries going in the right direction. First time in two decades. Posto. I know you got a bounce. I got Kurt Mills on deck. I know you got a bounce. Your thoughts Your thoughts about this polling, Your thoughts about the Lindsey Graham only at 37% and us being inexorably drawn in to the kinetic part of the Third World War in Ukraine, which for years post. So from the day the war started, you were our guest, you were a contributor here. Why is this happening? We've got a couple of minutes, sir.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, Steve, when it comes down to it, the polls are going the way they are because President Trump has kept his promises. He made several promises, many big ones to the American people throughout his campaign. And that's exactly what he's done. He's delivering on no tax on tips. He's delivering on the tax relief for the working class and the middle class. He's delivering on the inflation relief for families. And of course, he's fighting hard on the deportation front. I was with Secretary Kristi Noem yesterday, got a chance to sit with her, talk about work that's being done to increase the deportation numbers. And of course, President Trump's other third big promise of was the keeping us out of wars, specifically winding down the US Involvement in the Ukraine, Russia war and seeking peace there. That's why you're seeing and even the Russians now are offering off ramp saying, look, look, we would much prefer the peace deal, but what the Russians want, I think it's very simple. They don't want just a cease fire now and the frozen conflict that was one of the first pieces that was offered. What they want is the big deal. They want a grand deal between the US And Russia. And I think you hear Trump saying that as well through some of these communiques that he's made, talking about bringing them into the G8 again, turning the trade back on again. But then Putin will turn around and go back to his oligarchs and say, hey, we don't think these sanctions are going away anytime soon. So the key here is making sure that we stay off the escalatory on ramp to the kinetic part of the Third World War. And so when I hear the neocons and you're going to hear this, they're going to push for another spending bill. We've got to have MAGA and America first stand strong for no more funding of the Ukraine war.
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Steve Bannon
Jack Posobic, thank you very much. Where do people go to get all your content? You're in now in Hungary at cpac. Hungary. Mo Bannon's over there also. A great crew is there. We're gonna be live streaming it. And we're also, or I should say, we're gonna be Streaming it because in the middle of the night we're gonna be streaming all of it. Where do people go to get all your content, sir?
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Jack Posobiec
Go up on X, it's at Jack Bosobic in case you miss any of that. We're at Human Events Daily. We'll be posting everything, everything there in full, all the speeches, all the panels, all the info that we're getting. And yes, Viktor Orban will be in presence.
- [28:19]
Steve Bannon
Short commercial break. Jim Rickards, Joe Allen and of course, Kurt Mills from American Concern.
- [28:27]
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- [29:45]
Jack Posobiec
Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Steve Bannon
So, so Kurt Mills, you're one of the smartest guys out there. You just heard Mark Mitchell, another brilliant guy on the polling President Trump. Now the people think the country's on the right track. They're supporting President Trump more than ever. We know why we voted for him and we can't get enough. We love it. Obviously there's certain things we disagree with and disagree with adamantly, but he directionally President Trump's delivery and the American people are seeing this, in particular this new coalition we're pulling together. Are you concerned that in one of the reasons he's a, he's a man of peace, he's a strong man, people do not cross him. These dictators throughout the world crossing He's a man of peace. But dude, you look at the last 72 hours in Ukraine and Russia, we're being sucked into this. And we're being sucked into this because of American weapons systems, these drones, this artificial intelligence, target acquisition and fire control solutions. What is going on here? What is the perspective of Kurt Mills and American conservatives, sir?
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Joe Allen
Well, to link to the previous segment, I'll say the following. To the extent that we can rely on public opinion polls, and I think they have become far more rickety over the years, as you're aware, but to the extent that we view them as a good snapshot of what is going on since Trump has done his Middle east tour, since Trump has sidelined NSA Mike Waltz, and since Trump has made clear that he wants to make good on his promise of ending the endless wars, you have seen a clear spike in the polls for the president. And I think that's, you know, really notable. I mean, Trump has basically returned to the mid January position where he has the Democrats on the back heel. Now, as to the question of Russia, obviously the administration is extremely frustrated. Obviously the Russians are playing hardball. I mean, the Russian demands in and of themselves are fairly extraordinary. I know our magazine is often typecast as non interventionist to a fault, but the Russian demands for territory that they have not actually conquered is a novel approach from Moscow and one that obviously the administration should rebut. And I think they are. But I think right now it's not worth panicking. You know, don't be a panicking, as the president said, that we are necessarily spiraling into something that Trump can't negotiate us out of. I do think what is notable, and I do think what is concerning is that Putin's Lieutenant Dmitry Medvedev, the former Russian president again yesterday or maybe the day before, floated Russia's renewed nuclear doctrine. I mean, it's very, very clear that the IntelligenceSIA in Moscow is one, aggrieved and two, pretty nuclear curious. I mean, I mean, the intelligence assessments during the Biden administration were that the Russians got close to a 50% chance of using a tactical nuke. This is not to be trifled with. And I think that's the reason why negotiations are so key not only in Russia, but also in the Middle East.
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Steve Bannon
Do you is POSO right? Is is what Putin's looking at, which we've supported, but I don't see it happening right now because of so much of what's happening in Ukraine and with Persia. But do you think that they're still interested in overall Rapprochement or since he was playing footsie like a teenager, was xi over the 80th anniversary of victory in Europe Day in Moscow, the parades and the 35 agreements they signed. Have you seen them backing off there? Do you still agree with, with, with Poso that this rapprochement, this overall some sort of strategic realignment we may make is still on the table and even active?
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Joe Allen
I think Ray Prochemont with Russia is still on the table. I think what is going on is effectively, I mean, there are two main explanations, in my view, for why the Russians have started playing hardball. Number one, the Russians may, behind the scenes want to effectively Weimarize Ukraine, which is like, even if Zelenskyy signs a piece of paper, which is dubious, or even if the US signs a piece of paper and Zelenskyy is not in the room. The question of Ukrainian military projection into Russia is a live one. They have routine drone strikes on Moscow. They are capable of assassinating upper crust members of the Russian military. And if you have the view that I do, which I know is not necessarily a popular view, that the Ukrainians were behind Nord Stream, or at least the evidence so far is that they were and that they potentially acted alone, there is severe cause for anxiety in Russia that even if they sign a deal, that elements of the Ukrainian government may try to keep the war going, especially since Zelensky himself fears his own hardliners. I think explanation two is that Putin himself is wary of demobilization so quickly. The war itself would mean ending today, would mean that hundreds of thousands of troops would go home potentially without jobs, potentially without pay. And of course, that's unstable for any leader so quickly. And so demobilization collapsed Germany, as you're aware, in 1918. And I don't think the Russian situation is nearly that dire. In fact, the Russians had the upper hand, the Germans did not. But still, it could explain why the Russians want to drag this out. And then finally, the Russians themselves are a very, you know, this is not the Soviet Union. And I think that's a specious argument to make the, to make that claim. But the Russians themselves do have a lot of the Soviet architecture, which means it's a bit, It's a very bureaucratic society. Things go slowly, you know, oftentimes. And there's a million different, you know, check marks to make on the list before getting any deal. So, yeah, the early deal is off the table, the deal by the, you know, victory parade in early May, as some people hoped, off the table. And we could be in for a long summer, but no need to panic yet. I think we've got a hard nosed diplomatic approach for the administration and they're playing it right.
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Steve Bannon
Kristi Noem was in and supposedly was there to talk about the two young people who are assassinated in Washington D.C. but she had time to actually meet with Netanyahu and I think inform him that President Trump's not just preferred path, but the path he's going down to some sort of diplomatic or economic deal that stops the potential for a threat of a nuclear weapon with the Persians. What's your assessment of this Netanyahu? One of the reasons Waltz is gone is behind, you know, behind the scenes meetings with some of the Israeli staff. Do you think this is playing out as you, as you envision?
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Joe Allen
Well, I'm not sure anybody had Christie Noem, all due respect to the secretary, as Trump's bad cop on their, on their play sheet, but that appears to be what happened. I mean, Huckabee embraced her when she came and then per all reportings. And look, whatever you think of Israel, the Israeli press is quite good. And you know, the Israeli press has basically reported that she delivered a tough message which is back off, the president wants to negotiate with Iran. We're very committed to having a ceasefire in Gaza. And again, as reported again in the Times this morning, you know, the White House is pushing back ferociously on the idea that the Israelis might do a unilateral strike on the Iranians. So Noam was clearly, and I think you had the clip in the previous segment clearly messaging in this direction. It's unclear to the degree to which the Gaza negotiations being led by Wyckoff and the Iranian negotiations also being led by Wyckoff are twinned, of course, extreme hardliners and neoconservatives view a Sunni Islamic militant group in Gaza as hook, line and sinker with the Iranians. I think that is not true. But obviously these are partners and it is very possible the two pieces are being negotiated together. But again, it's separate negotiations, separate cities. The Hamas negotiations are in Doha, the Iranian negotiations are in Muscat, in Rome. And again, the president, you know, sort of exploded the news cycle this weekend, Memorial Day weekend by saying we could have an Iran deal in a day or two. And you know, there's this sort of due ex machina explanation of how we could have an Iran deal, which is again, it was, I've been hearing it over the weekend, but it was in buried in the Times report this morning that they are looking at this and has been floated before this civil nuclear agreement between Iran, potentially the Gulf allies in the US and then additionally the Iranian nuclear chief today indicated something he never did or something that the Iranians never did under Obama, that they would be opening open to American inspectors of their weapons program. So I mean this is, this has gone well beyond jcpoa. Anyone who says this is a redux of the Obama deal is lying. And you know, I think that this is fairly extraordinary and we are, we are quite close to a diplomatic breakthrough.
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Steve Bannon
Is American conservative and yourself, are you guys comfortable with even an advanced verification program like this and not a taking it apart brick by brick, peacefully, not with air rays, but peacefully doing whatever you need to do economically to get them there. Are you guys comfortable that we can live with even a verification program, that we have inspectors going in? Sir.
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Joe Allen
I think we are. I mean, look, I mean if the Iranians called up the United States yesterday and said we want to unilaterally disarm, we want to get rid of all our stuff, you know, I think we should accept that deal. But they're not going to do it. The reality is zero enrichment of any sort of having no nuclear program whatsoever is they're almost certainly going to walk away from the deal and if they sign it, they're just going to be lying. So it's not really a deal worth pursuing, but a civil enrichment compendium or corridor with the Gulf states, with the US with US inspections I think is quite acceptable. And it's very important and I don't want to be a broken record on this, but it's very important not to repeat the mistakes of Iraq. Iraq had weapons inspectors, they found no weapons and they turned out there weren't any weapons. And in sometimes in these tough countries and tough parts of the world, a lot of times the hardliners just need to signal for their own security and for their own sort of self belief. But they don't actually have the weapons. It's hard to conceal these things. We don't know everything about Iran, but they're under constant surveillance. They know the Israelis as, as disclosed by WikiLeaks by the late Colin Powell. We know The Israelis have 200 plus nuclear weapons and they're all trained on Tehran. The DACA stack, DACA stack against them. We don't need to make an unforced error here.
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Steve Bannon
Kurt, what is your social media and how do people get over to the great magazine that you helm? And now that our own Catherine o' Neill is on your board, it makes it even stronger. Where do people go?
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Kurt Mills
Thanks.
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Joe Allen
It's www.theamericanconservative.com. we have been founded and running out of Washington D.C. since 2002 when we were founded against the Iraq war by conservatives and friends. And then my own channel is URT Mills C U R T M I L L S on X Twitter, you know, pretty active.
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Kurt Mills
Thank you.
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Steve Bannon
And I want to have you back in the next couple days. We'll get your schedule freed up to come back. And I want to discuss this more in Russia, more with you. You fascinating the Kurt Mills Tucker Carlson School of National Security. I call it Kurt. Brilliant young man. Jim Rickards, you've heard a lot this morning. What are your thoughts?
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Jim Rickards
Steve, I just like to draw a connection between two separate things you've been discussing. One is the BRICS Summit conference is coming up in Rio de Janeiro very shortly. So that's a big deal in and of itself. There's not going to be a new BRICS currency. I remind people that the brics already have a global currency. It's called gold. You can settle transactions in gold and they do. It's non digital. You can move it around, you can't interdict it, et cetera. So they're already there. They're working on payment systems and the war in Ukraine, which we talked about in one of Lindsey Graham sanctions, but also something Zelensky talked about the other day. They want to take the $300 billion of U.S. treasury securities lawfully bought by Russia that are in about 200 billion of them in Euroclear. The rest are scattered among various bank custodians and use that to fund the war. And Zelensky said the other day, hey, because Trump probably the House of Representatives will not approve, I don't expect they will approve new funding for the war in Ukraine. But Zelensky says no problem, just take the $300 billion of Russian assets and use that to pay for all the weapons systems. So what's the connection between those two things? If you're India or you're Brazil or Saudi Arabia, and by the way, the BRICs have expanded. Of course, it's not just the original five. And you're watching this, you're saying, hey, what if the US doesn't like what I do? What if they steal my U.S. treasury securities that I hold, my reserve positions, et cetera. So by our folly in Ukraine, this isn't a freeze. We freeze stuff all the time. US Is good at it. This is theft, this is armed robbery of the Russian assets. Lindsey Graham's all in on this, by the way. This would be part of his, you know, new round of sanctions. But if you're any other country and you're watching this, you're saying get me out of U.S. treasury securities. Maybe you have to have some because there's no other asset class in the world that, that's big. But there are.
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Steve Bannon
Hey, Jim, Jim, Jim, just, hey, Jim, hang, hang on one second. We're going to take a short commercial break. I want to continue this. Jim Rickards is with us. Rickards war room.com go check out the landing page.
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Kurt Mills
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Steve Bannon
S Farmland.
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Kurt Mills
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Steve Bannon
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Jack Posobiec
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Steve Bannon
Okay, Jim Rickards, thank you for joining us this morning. Closing thoughts. And where do people go to get strategic intelligence now more than ever? It's a c suite read chairman, CEOs throughout the world. Read it. If you want to get up to speed on what they're looking at, decision makers, you need to get strategic intelligence. Sir. Some closing observations.
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Jim Rickards
Thanks. On the last segment, we connected Ukraine to brics because basically we're stealing the Russian assets that were using them to fund the war in Ukraine. And if you're the bricks, you want to have gold because that's the way to protect it. Let's take that a step further. Why did President Trump and Elon Musk not go to Fort Knox? Remember, two months ago, we're going to Fort Knox, we're going to make sure the gold's there, et cetera. And I said it on your show a year and a half ago and I said one of my books nine years ago, the gold is there. I mean, all this stuff, the gold is not there, it's there. Scott Bessett knows that. He said so. I believe him. But here's what we don't know is that gold leased and that's a paper transaction. But 1 ton of leased gold can support 100 tons of paper gold transactions and you're vulnerable to a run on the bank. And by the way, if gold's not a monetary asset, why does the United States have 8,133 tons of it? So the reason they canceled that visit, in my view, is that they just don't want the gold is there. They just don't want to call attention to it because it prompts a lot of other questions about the role of gold. But thank you. We have a landing page. It's Rickardswarroom.com that's Rickardswarroom.com you can go there and you can subscribe to Strategic Intelligence, which is our flagship newsletter. By the way, the next article is the monthly articles coming out in about a week or so. It's going to be about Russia, China and the U.S. the Russia, China in the U.S. and what I call the three handed poker game. If you're in a three handed poker game, you don't know who the sucker is. You're the sucker. And on X at Real Jim Rickards.
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Kurt Mills
Rickards, thank you for spending the hour.
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Steve Bannon
Two hours with this one. Really appreciate. Audience loves it. Look forward to having you back here, sir. Thanks, Jim. Best geopolitical thinker out there. Joe Allen, you're going to be back with me tomorrow. We got a lot more to talk about AI and the coming jobs, apocalypse, how people can avoid it. Where do folks go in the interim to get your writing?
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Jack Posobiec
You can find all of my stuff at joebot xyz.
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Joe Allen
There's a collection of interviews, including in.
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Jack Posobiec
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Joe Allen
With Jonathan Pageau and the great and.
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Jack Posobiec
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Joe Allen
Of course social media o ebotxyzz.
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Steve Bannon
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The most important trial ever begins in Denver next week. If that sounds like a bit of an exaggeration or perhaps a completely wackadoodle claim, you should know that it's coming from my pillow guy and election denier Mike Lindell. Now, in fairness to Lindell, I am sure that it is the most important trial ever to him because he is the one who is going to going to be on trial accused of defamation for saying that Denver based Dominion Voting Systems and one particular ColoradoDan rigged the 2020 election against Donald Trump. Truth is an absolute defense against defamation. So if Lindell can come to court and prove that he was telling the truth about election rigging, he's in the clear. I actually think that this upcoming trial deserves more attention than it's getting because this is the chance for election deniers to provide their proof of the alleged conspiracy, the one that the most powerful man in the world, president of the United States, will not stop talking about, even now that he's back in the White House. But I think I know why this upcoming trial in Denver is largely being ignored. Let's start with the media. It seems like a lot of national journalists are just just tired of covering Trump's election rigging lies. They're now five years old. I also believe that a number of Colorado's local journalists are skittish about covering political extremism. It draws accusations of bias and threats of violence. And if we're being totally honest It's a lot more complicated to cover than much of what ends up on the evening news. Now let's talk about the general public. I think a lot of Democrats are hesitant to talk about Mike Lindell's election rigging claims because they don't want to give fuel to theories that erode faith in our elections. I think a lot of Republicans are hesitant to talk about this too, because while you see a bunch of Republicans nod along in agreement with Trump's election rigging claims, when people have to explain exactly how the elections are rigged, that's when folks start to sound goofy. Like the swirl of claims that Dominion is rigging the vote with help from Antifa or Venezuela or George Soros. The people pushing those theories for years have always said they want their day in court. Well, they're going to get it in Denver starting next week.
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Steve Bannon
Wow, Mike Lindell, that guy's not maga. But that's maybe the best assessment I've heard. Sir, your thoughts?
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Mike Lindell
Well, I'm looking at the courthouse, everybody, the federal courthouse. And, and this is what I've been telling you all, all of the cases in this country. When they did Law Fair and sued over 75 individuals and platform, their insurance companies made them settle or they just said, you know what, I can't afford to go all the way to the end. Well, we did it. My pillow, they sued my pillow, they went after my employees, my employee owned company, they went after me. And that, and he's right, we will get the truth out you. This is, I've been so looking forward to this day and it's coming up here next week. I've been in Colorado for almost a week now here getting ready with lawyers. That's all I do from morning till night. And this is going to be historical, Steve. And I'll tell you part of this was that I'm not allowed to be on any other networks anymore like Newsmax or Fox to talk about hurricane victims or, or that we help out or all the stuff my pillow does. So it hurts us. Well, now the war room, because you guys have supported us, we're gonna, we need help right now, don't you? We're gonna put the Giza Dream Sheets on sale through the trial. 49.98. Get all you can. This is a war room exclusive promo code.
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Steve Bannon
We got it. Thank you, Mike. We'll see this afternoon, the five o' clock hour. Charlie Kirk is next post after that. We are back here at five live in the war room.
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