Ben Berkwom (7:26)

Oh, absolutely. Look, I think he hit the nail on the head as always, you know. And again, what Trump is doing here is actually being the negotiator in chief that we all know. He's got this deal together. We've got Nippon Steel bringing Japanese money to invest in America for the first time. We're all used to the opposite as being what's happening. And so we're looking at a deal here that, you're right, is going to expand steel manufacturing in America, expand American jobs, pay American workers better and return, start the down payment, if you will, on returning America to being the manufacturing hub of the planet. And so this is just one of those many things. We got four more years left of this, of course. Right.

Stephen K. Bannon (8:07)

And just walk us through. I know they have the stay until June 9, but how do you think this resolves? Do you think that the tariff case will be the one that sort of forces this constitutional crisis into the forefront? Do you think that that's where they have sort of the best arguments on their side? Or is it more on the immigration stuff? Where do you think they should be picking these fights?

Ben Berkwom (8:30)

So the truth be told, and actually the ME center here at Heritage already published an article earlier today kind of breaking down all of the details of all of this. And look, I think you're right that in some respects we're already in that constitutional crisis. Look, you know, we can go through the four disastrous years of Biden where court judges and bureaucrats were just handing out favors like candy to their friends, were using the courts literally to go after churches and conservatives. So I'd say, look, we've been in that crisis for a while. To give you a few details on these cases, though, you know, look, I will tell you this, if, if you're kind of reading the plain text of the letter of the law, the precedent on it, IPA wasn't the most robust route for the president to go down to do the tariffs. Now, what we published actually out of Heritage is the president's probably still on very firm grounding on the fentanyl related tariffs. So these are the tariffs on Canada and Mexico and China. And we believe that the court probably ruled an error on that one. But we'll see as things go forward. And I should point out the the case that was before the court on international trade and the court that was before the the D.C. district court are actually ruling on two completely different non overlapping issues. The the first one, the International Trade Court ruled on just the specific tariff emergencies. The latter one, the district court rules on whether iea, the statute, the president's using can be used for tariffs at all. So we'll see as these cases unfold. But, you know, the last I'll say right now about it is the president's got these three other concrete tariff authorities. Really, he should use those to enact tariff policy, frankly, to give himself more protection against these radical judges you're talking about.

Stephen K. Bannon (10:10)

We've got a few minutes before I got to jump to break. I'll hold you if I can. Obviously, the big press conference today with Elon, the, you know, farewell. That wasn't a farewell ceremony. I'm curious your thoughts. He spoke obviously of the currently, what is it, $160 billion identified in waste, fraud and abuse with short term was projected to skyrocket, I think above 200 billion. And then they talked about hopefully attaining at some point, time unknown, $1 trillion in waste, fraud and abuse. Kind of not blaming it, but pawning it off on the idea that it was the courts that was holding some of this up. I'm just curious your thoughts on these kind of speculative numbers if you think that we could actually approach a figure like that.

Ben Berkwom (10:52)

I think for sure we could. Look, the government bureaucrats own numbers, and look, you and I don't trust them at all. But even the government bureaucrats numbers from before President Trump was elected still indicated that there's probably four, maybe even $500 billion a year of at least fraud that goes out of the government, let alone some of these other abuses and waste and all of that. So the math is there, the wasted dollars there again, dollars stolen from hardworking Americans and American businessmen as well. So the question is, what can we get at? And look, I think the thing that Doge has done that's been unprecedented is they could cut some of that money, but mostly they could shine a spotlight from inside the bulwark of the swamp on all of the structures of all of the grift and the corruption. And that's the information that no one had. We might have known some of these were there, but we couldn't tell you where the waste was, where the fraud was. Doge has put a spotlight on that. Doge is going to continue to write and make that material public to Congress. But at the end of the day, you know, the Deep state's been doing this for decades. They've twisted Congress into defending their position. At the end of the day, we need Congress to have a backbone. It is Congress that needs to codify these things that Doge has uncovered and put on the table for them. So we need to lend them a backbone as much as possible.

Stephen K. Bannon (12:13)

I think the only people capable of giving them a backbone is this audience as they have done time and time again. Rich, if you can just hang with us through the break War and posse. Hang with us. We've got a pack show. Obviously President Trump is going to be speaking I believe at around 5:30. In the meantime, I think for everything we've been talking about. So I've got of course be checking out birchgold.com Bannon texting Bannon to 989-898 read the latest installment. It's no longer the End of the Dollar Empire. That one is the title I always like to go with. I got to get the new one. Or read the End of the Dollar Empire again. It's a great read. Will be right back. Richard Stern, Much more after this short break.

Jessica Vaughn (12:53)

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Jane Zirkel (12:56)

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Stephen K. Bannon (14:43)

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Welcome back to the War Room. We are awaiting President Trump I hear he is in the building. So we are getting quite close. We're going to hit Ben Berkwom just in a second. But Rich, before I let you go, I just have one last question because obviously you're seeing the media's apoplex. Oh, Doge is dead, you know, oh, they're not going to be able to cut waste, fraud and abuse. I don't necessarily think that Doge is something novel. I think it's sort of the second iteration, frankly, of what, you know, Bannonism created. Right. Which is the idea of deconstructing the administrative state. Perhaps it's the kinetic warfare element of it. But I'm just curious your thoughts sort of, you know, comparing contrasting the first term of President Trump to the second term. How useful if you think it has been Doge was or just sort of maybe a report card, an overall assessment.

Ben Berkwom (15:43)

So I think Doge certainly, and I think like Trump come in his first time and a lot of people around him, these are people that were outsiders, which is good. They weren't swamp creatures. But you know, the trade off is it means that they didn't know where all the bodies were buried. They didn't know exactly who the trust, they didn't know exactly what they could push on. You know, we had Biden bureaucrats have been doing this for decades who in the two months leading out the door, you know, set landmines back for the troops coming in. Right. To sabotage Doge's effort. And we should hunt down those bureaucrats, frankly, and undo those things. But, you know, that's part of what the deep state does. So look, what I would say is I think Doge has got B plus, maybe even an A minus, because what they've done here, and I agree with you that it's yet the next iteration of what's been going on before. But I think it's so important to recognize that what's unprecedented is having a president who wants to go after the deep state. Look, we are talking about bureaucrats who've been funneling tens of billions of dollars to terrorists, to people that murder Americans overseas, that murder Americans here, that fuel left wing activities, that fund abortions and transgender. You and I could talk for an hour about that list. And we've had reports and commissions and whatever. Doge is the first serious concrete attempt at actually hunting these things down, making them public, making it so that Congress is a target to go after, to actually defund these things. And so while that's the beginning, it's a real beginning. And that is the thing that is truly spectacular and unprecedented.

Stephen K. Bannon (17:12)

Rich, I've only got two fact checks. One, we could probably talk for a thousand hours about all of that. And I don't think it's a want to go after the deep state. It is most certainly a need. But other than that, I totally agree with you. And as always, thank you so much for joining us. Before we have you back on. In the meantime, if people want to follow you, where can they go to do all that? Read, read the reports, read all of it.

Ben Berkwom (17:35)

Well, I will concede both your fact checks and it's always a pleasure. Thank you for having me on. You can find me at richjstern on Twitter. You can of course, go to our heritage.org website, find the things I write and that of all my colleagues and the entire team here as well. So thank you again for having me on, as always.

Stephen K. Bannon (17:51)

Of course. Thank you, sir. I think we are going to bring Ben Berkhweim in, who, of course, I mean, I'm used to seeing you live on the scene at the southern border, though I guess there's not as much activity going on there. We swapped out the illegals for border patrol agents, which is a much needed upgrade. But tell us about where you are. Tee up the speech. Give us sort of, I'll use a word that's probably never been used on Warren before. Give us a, a vibe check of what's going on in the room.

Brian Glenn (18:21)

Well, I will be back out with ice very soon, so stay tuned for that to the posse and war room audience. I'll be riding on the operations. But today we got a special invite here to Pennsylvania, just outside of Pittsburgh. We're at US Steel. This is one of their three major facilities here in Mon Valley, just outside of Pittsburgh. This is the Irvin plant. Over a million square feet, feet of covered space here. Massive, massive facility. President Trump's going to be speaking here in just a minute to announce, really, you can see it behind me, the golden age in America. And you see all the folks that are sitting here in their orange vests. These are all American steelworkers, Natalie, the backbone of America, blue collar America. The men and women who built this country, who the Democrats in the left and the chambers of commerce sold out for the last 60 years. And now you have President Trump coming back in saying, we're going to put those workers first again. We're going to put America first again. And the America first agenda is the agenda that's going to save this country. And so that's what we're here for. Looking forward to hearing about this deal with Nippon Steel. It's going to be coming very soon.

Stephen K. Bannon (19:28)

And they're playing Pitbull. I guess that's a testament to the real masculinity. I know we were talking about, about this before. Democrats are busy spending, what, $20 million to understand what it means to be a man. I would suggest mandatory viewing the speech tonight. The people in the crowd, the types of people who work in critical industries like steel. I'm inclined to think of the coal miners, too. Ben, hang there. I'm sure we'll come back to you. Maybe we'll hit you before President Trump starts speaking. But speaking of immigration, I've got someone, Jessica Vaughn from the center for Immigration Studies, who I would love to bring on. We have some good news coming out of the activist judge brigade for once, and that is that President Trump is being allowed to, I think, overturn the sort of faux legal status of hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens. Migrants. Refugees, take your pick. I don't know. They're all euphemisms to me. But, Jessica, if you can walk us through this decision today, please.

Unknown (20:22)

Yes, this was a big win. I thought it was a pretty obvious decision. The Supreme Court ruled 7 to 2 to let President Trump's action to cancel the improper parole status that Joe Biden was giving out. That was the basis of the catch and release policies at the border. Now he can proceed with that. There were two judges dissenting, Ketanji, Brown, Jackson and Sotomayor lamented the devastating consequences that would face our country if President Trump were allowed to revoke these protections from deportations. But not a word from them or acknowledgement of the devastating consequences these parolees have wreaked on American communities, whether it's trend and their crimes or attacks on people in shelters or just the cost of sustaining this completely illegal parole problem. It made no sense that one president could not undo an executive action of a prior one, especially one that was illegal. So this is really good news.

Stephen K. Bannon (21:39)

I'm curious. It seems like the left is getting intensely, almost a sort of an, I would say escalatory rate, just apoplectic over what is going on, particularly on the immigration and deportation front.

Jessica Vaughn (21:51)

Right.

Stephen K. Bannon (21:51)

You see him breaking into the ICE facilities. The protesters, they're getting very agitated about it. And it seems like it's because the court doesn't always have their back. Right. The decision that you were just talking about. Right. They feel the need to go. And I think, Jessica, we're going to have to be back because I think President Trump is coming out, so I think we're going to have to toss to him or, you know, we're just going to keep the shot. So, real quick, just give us some of these other cases that are kind of in limbo, working their way through the court. Do you think we're going to see similar decisions that will be positive for the Trump administration, or do you think they're going to sort of hamstring some of their decisions on the immigration front?

Unknown (22:26)

I think for the most part, these are going to be positive for immigration enforcement and the president's authority. And we have to remember to see it in that light, that this is all an effort to restore presidential authority over foreign affairs and immigration policy, because there's no other way this can work for our country unless he gets that authority back. And it was so abused under Biden to huge disastrous consequences for us. So we need this to happen. I think it will, for the most part.

Stephen K. Bannon (23:01)

I'm curious, too, in terms of the legal immigration front, everything that's been going on with the H1B visas, a lot of the foreign student stuff, do you see any, you know, positive movement on that, or do you think that 120,000 number that I know our audience is very upset over, do you think that that's sort of set in stone?

Unknown (23:23)

No, I think we are almost certainly going to see action against the abuse of not only guest worker programs, but also this absurd OPT program that has allowed, like 300,000 people, former students, to take jobs in the United States at a discounted rate. I think all of these programs are going to be reviewed. I think eventually Congress is going to have to step in as well. But we're going to also start to see the employers who discriminate against Americans openly be the subject of investigations from the Department of Justice. And that's a huge win for American workers because people were ignoring them for so many years before now.

Stephen K. Bannon (24:15)

Jessica, if people want to stay up to date with everything you guys are working on over at cis, I love your blog. I love the articles you put out. They're very dense, but. But they're full of research that no one else wants to do. Where can people go to stay up to date with your work and everything you guys are doing?

Unknown (24:33)

Everything we do is@cis.org including our sanctuary map, which has been updated today and is similar to the DHS map that came out today. And I'm on Twitter at Jessica voice.

Stephen K. Bannon (24:51)

Thank you, ma' am, for joining us. We'll have you back on soon, hopefully to break More good immigration news.

Unknown (24:57)

I hope so.

Stephen K. Bannon (25:00)

Again, I even think the term immigration is too cutesy. Just like Steve always says deep state is because it's a mass invasion of this country. It's effectively kinetic warfare. I would also add, it's quite interesting, as you guys know, it was buried in a very cool Politico piece today, I believe they called it. Yet another win for the Bannon wing of the Republican Party. Though I think Steve would probably reject that framing. He does not identify as a conservative or Republican. He identifies as a populist nationalist, as I'm sure you do too. But they were talking about, buried in the piece how 70%, 70% of all hires for Silicon Valley based tech fund firms are foreign born. And this was not per government data. And we'll get to the buried lead in a second. But this was based off of a recent study, I guess one of the most recent ones that they had compiled just through local or whatever accessible data they had. But that's the real kicker, right? For a government that loves data and complex systems and they always like to have their fact check resources available. They don't choose to gather the data on the foreign worker programs from just a, you know, at face value level, right? The numbers, the visa caps, which doesn't even include the overstayers or the wife's or the illegals or the chain migration. All that stuff aside, even just the actual stated numbers, right? They don't want to gather those numbers because they don't want us to be informed and understand the scope and magnitude of what these, you know, guest worker programs, which is code for the great replacement theory, replacing you not just as an American citizen, but as an American worker. It's absolutely asinine.

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Stephen K. Bannon (29:36)

Welcome back to the war room where we are awaiting President Donald J. Trump speaking in Pennsylvania. I think as we speak he's getting a tour with some steelworkers I was lucky enough to interview, I think some coal miners about a month ago at the White House. Different things but still real masculinity that I guess the democrats are wasting $20 million to understand. I guess if you want to understand all things economy, gold too, you got to be checking out birchgold.com Bannon get the latest installment of the wonderful books that Steve writes with the team. Philip Patrick, give him a call. They love to talk to you. I've heard you guys love to talk to them as well. I think we got Brian Glenn. Like I said, we're also waiting for President Trump. But, but we've got Jane Zirkel, who wanted to come on. I wanted to have her on with the tragic passing of a very dear friend of the show, the community, really, I think the country writ large. And that is none other than Bernie Kerik. Jane, I know you knew him very well. You had the honor of working closely with him, I think through your time with Mayor Rudy Giuliani. You also have a great piece up on WarWom.org, i don't know if we'll have time to get to that, but maybe you can give us a little tease. But I just would like to give you a few minutes just to tell the audience about what a wonderful man, the one and only Bernie Kerik was.

Jane Zirkel (30:57)

Yeah. So Bernie Kerik, America's police commissioner, he was the NYPD police commissioner during 9 11. And when I was working for Rudy, I had the honor of attending the 911 ceremony back in 2020. And obviously with COVID New York City city, it was shut down and there was debates over whether the lights would shine, whether the names would be read by family members. But the Tunnel to Towers foundation stepped in and made sure that those lights did shine and made sure that the family members were able to read the names of their loved ones. And Bernie Kerik and Mayor Giuliani were in attendance that day. It was a beautiful, solemn day, as always. And it was there that I learned about the Tunnel to Towers foundation that was created in honor of FDNY Stephen Siller, who was off duty during 9 11. But when he saw what was going on, he strapped his gear on, ran through the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel and into the World Trade center where he ultimately lost his life attempting to save others. So today the Tunnel to Towers foundation works to provide mortgage free homes to gold star and first respond families and smart homes to catastrophically injured veterans and first responders. And for the past several years, I have run in the Tunnel TO Towers annual 5K that's held in New York City to retrace the steps of firefighter Steven Siller. It is an amazing event for anyone who wants to make the commitment to never forget who loves this country, who loves New York City. It's, it's simply just beautiful and awe inspiring. And this year, War Room thought it would be a really great idea to honor Bernie Kerik in running in honor of him. So right now I don't know if Denver can display that link that I sent to Cameron, but we have a fundraising page set up at the Tunnel to Towers site. So you can support the Tunnel to Towers mission. You can sign up for the run. You can run alongside myself and other War Room Posse members as well. We join in the commitment to never forget and honor Bernie Kerik.

Stephen K. Bannon (33:01)

I was honored to, I think, go to their annual gala in New York with Raheem, a man of the gala scene, I think last year or two years ago. And it's really a wonderful organization. Jane, I'll have you plug that one more time before you go. But just give the audience a little teaser since I think President Trump is getting a nice long extension, extended tour as I'm sure he wants all the details. You have a new op ed up on warm.org real quick. Give us the latest.

Jane Zirkel (33:31)

It's time to take Doge to the mass incarceration epidemic that is plaguing this country. President Trump this week has issued a slew of pardons and with the newly appointed pardons are Alice Johnson. It is, it's ramping up and it's time to see a lot more action in criminal justice arena. What I call for in this piece is mass pardons for non violent drug offenses. Currently in federal prisons, 45% of inmates are in there for nonviolent drug offenses. And so this is a huge burden on the American taxpayer. It costs on average 30 to 60 thousand dollars per year to house these inmates. So if there were to be around 100,000 pardons for nonviolent drug off offenders, you would save the American taxpayer around 3 to 6 billion dollars per year.

Stephen K. Bannon (34:23)

Quite, quite the proposal. I'm curious, why do you think letting more though they mean nonviolent still criminals out on the streets as opposed to reforming the criminal justice system from within? Why do you think that's something that is particularly in Doge's Lane?

Jane Zirkel (34:41)

Well, it was interesting. Savannah Chrisley put out a statement on X that said her pardon, the pardon for her parents that she worked really tirelessly for, was not a get out of jail free card, but rather a get out of a rigged system card. And since the 1970s, when the war on drugs started, incarceration has just simply skyrocketed. In 1970, America only incarcerated around 200,000 individuals. Now we incarcerate over 2 million individuals with nearly 4 million on probation and parole. So we do have a mass incarceration epidemic and it's time to take out some of the rotten corruption from our prisons by letting people out who have proven to be rehabilitated or, you know, can live a life outside of prison walls.

Stephen K. Bannon (35:30)

Look, if it were up to me, I'd probably send more people to see. But I digress, Jane, in the meantime, one more time hit us with where people can go to help honor Bernie Carrick's memory at the Tunnel to Towers run. That's very brave of you to do that. And if people want to follow you, read the piece where they can go to do all that, you can go.

Jane Zirkel (35:51)

To t2t.org and you can follow me, Ayne Zirkel on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube and getter.

Stephen K. Bannon (35:59)

Thank you ma' am for joining us. We will certainly have you back on soon.

Jane Zirkel (36:03)

Thank you.

Stephen K. Bannon (36:06)

I think we have Brian Glenn and Ben Berkhom. It's a RAB double header. Honored to be honest with you. We're bring them on together. Ben, I think President Trump is about to speak. And Brian, I'm not even sure if you're on the ground there. If you are, I'd love to get your thoughts sort of pre gaming the speech.

Natalie Winters (36:29)

Can you hear me okay, Natalie?

Stephen K. Bannon (36:31)

Now I can. Yes.

Natalie Winters (36:33)

Wonderful, wonderful. Well, thanks for having me on. I'm outside the swamp, unlike you. I know you're right middle of D.C. ben, you're there in Pennsylvania, but yeah, but I'm certainly enjoying watching the coverage as we have President Trump back in that very key state of Pennsylvania and celebrate the fact, Natalie, that manufacturing is staying right here in the US where it belongs. And the people of Pennsylvania, big part of their economy, a big part of the campaign agenda, bringing manufacturing back, keeping those jobs. And today is a celebration of that.

Stephen K. Bannon (37:12)

And Ben, I'm curious, we're told by the media that Americans overwhelmingly don't support these tariffs, but it seems like there, it looks like there you go, right on cue. President Trump is walking out. Denver. You let me know when you want me to shut up. I'm sure the audience just wants to watch a President Trump. I don't blame them. Thank you, Brian for joining us. And Ben, we will hitch you after he speaks. That is of course President Trump walking out on stage in Pennsylvania speaking to a bunch of steel workers and hardcore MAGA devotees. We will continue warm after he is done speaking with some post game analysis. So don't go anywhere.

Jessica Vaughn (38:17)

Where there's pride in every American heart. And it's time we stand and say that I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free. And I won't forget the men who died who gave that life to me. And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today. Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land. God bless the usa. And I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free and I won't forget the men who died who gave that night to me Can I gladly stand up sit next to you and defend her still today? Cause there ain't no doubt I love this.

Ben Berkwom (39:25)

This.

Rich Stern (39:50)

Thank you very much. What a group of people. We love this group. You voted for me. They never had a chance in Pennsylvania. They never even had a chance. But I'm thrilled to be back in this beautiful commonwealth at the legendary Mon Valley Works, Irvin plant, Irvine plant, with the proud Pennsylvania Patriots, who are the heart and soul of U.S. steel. Thank you very much. That's great. Oh, you're going to be happy. You're going to be happy. There's a lot of money coming your way. It's a lot of money. You're going to say, please, sir, we don't want this kind of success. It's too much, sir, we can't take. Please, we beg you. We don't want this much success. But we do, really, don't we? We're going to be so successful. You have just. You have just started. You're going to watch. We're here today to celebrate a blockbuster agreement that will ensure this storied American company stays an American company. You're going to stay an American company. You know that, right? But we're going to have a great partner. We're going to have a great partner. And I have to tell you, Japan has been a tremendous friend of mine during my years as president. And then we had a little hiatus. We had a rigdelegal, but then we won. We said, let's make it too big to rig, and made it too big to rig. And this is a much more powerful term than we could have ever had the other way. So a lot of things. God was looking down on us all for a lot of reasons, including right there, a lot of reasons. We were. We were blessed. And you're going to be blessed. You're going to see that it will keep its headquarters in the great city of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. You where it belongs. For generations, the name United States Steel was synonymous with greatness. And now it will again be synonymous with greatness. That's what it's going to be. The best and strongest steel on earth will forever be made in America and made in Pennsylvania. And I want to thank a man that I saw right at the beginning of this whole thing, during my first term, as we call it, US Steel President Dave Barrett. Dave, thank you very much. Wherever you May be. Wherever you may be. Thank you, Dave. And he came to the White House and he said, sir, we're in trouble. We need help. He was put there to save the company, right? I remember it so well. Like yesterday he was put there, they hired him to save the company. And he came up and he said, we need help, sir. He said, what can we do? Because all the steel companies were going south. They were all in trouble. He said, if you could get tariffs, sir, I'd save this company. And I thought about it, I studied it up real quick. It took me about two minutes. And I said, dave, I think we're going to make you very happy. And we did make you happy, didn't we? We saved the company. We put 25% tariffs on your, on your company. So we had protection. We were protected from outside horrible influence, including dumping where they were dumping steel all over the United States. And we saved it. It was a great honor. And Dave was, was really the first one that brought it to my attention and I appreciate it. Dave, you did a good job. You did a good job. He more than saved the company. He made the company great. This will be a great company in a very short period of time. Also the vice chairman of Nippon Steel.

Mike (43:32)

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