
Episode 4529: Rise Of Threat Of World War 3 ...
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going.
Lindsey Graham
Medieval on these people.
Steve Bannon
Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
Lindsey Graham
I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything.
Steve Bannon
In the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
Ben Harnwell
And where do people like that go.
Steve Bannon
To share the big lie? MAGA media I wish in my soul I w that any of these people had a conscience.
Lindsey Graham
Ask yourself what is my task and.
Boone Cutler
What is my purpose?
Steve Bannon
If that answer is to save my.
Boone Cutler
Country, this country will be saved.
Stephen K. Bannon
War ROOM here's your host Stephen k. Ban.
Steve Bannon
Monday 2nd June year of our Lord 2025 Mike Lindell's trial of the century starts in Colorado this morning. I think even as we speak speak couldn't get Mike up this morning before, before he went in. I'm sure they're quite busy with all this in federal court. Also other events out in Colorado we're going to deal with Germany's here on Thursday after Tass said that they are targeting, they're doing targeting exercises the Russian military in Berlin and this before this weekend, this weekend attack by the Ukrainians and counter attack by the Russians. I don't know what message that sends the Bibi. I don't know. Hey, we didn't know about it. Nobody gave us a heads up. Nobody gave us a heads up. I think the National Security Council has got to step in here. I don't know why Ratcliffe saying we're not getting ready any CIA guys. Something's very, very very wrong here either number one if the White House didn't have have a heads up that to me should be. You should condemn this attack today. You should say we're pulling all support today. You should tell Lindsey Graham get on a plane here dude and get back and stop stirring the pot. Okay. And you should put a notice to the guys in the Senate. We're already trillion dollars. These the big beautiful bill. You know you're talking a lot of smack over in the Senate. We're going to cut. We're going to cut. We're going to cut. Do not add any money because this is what Lindsey Graham's saying. The House and Senate are going to add big dollars for Ukraine. Not happening. We should if we did not know about it. Let's take that as his face. We didn't if they didn't give us a heads up on it. That is going that's dragging us in it. They did a strike 3,000 miles into Russia. As we said last week, when Mertz said, oh, we got, you know, the ability to hit deep, we got sign of America supports that. There was no verification of that. I don't believe, I never saw any official verification of that. And there are no coincidences. So he says that last week and then they hit 3,000 miles in. I realized everybody was thinking about was the missiles. They did it in a paramilitary attack. Quite audacious, quite brilliant hat tip to them. But that's, it's not about the hat tip on the tactics of doing this. This is hurtling up the escalatory ladder when President Trump is spending all his time trying to do the exact opposite. Sorry, I say yo, guns down. Let's figure this thing out. Let's get to a ceasefire, then a peace deal. Let's have prosperity, let's have jobs and creativity and rebuilding and all that. As you know, in this show, we're not, we were not excited by the economic deal they did, but said, hey, if this is part of President Trump's, is this what he's doing, that prosperity is going to lead us to peace? Okay. It's a better idea than anybody else has come up with. This is going to drag us to and tonight, tomorrow we're going to lose, it looks like, and it doesn't look like it's going to be close right now. Hopefully the Korean people and with the team that's been over there, that's gone over, although there was no CPAC like kind of push. And I want to give Match Lap and Posobec and Kevin and everybody just a big hat tip on this fact. Let's go to Kevin Posobic in Warsaw. Kevin talks about the energy you guys provided at cpac. I mean, like Jack said so brilliantly, the, the leaders of the, of the party had to go right to get every vote out there and let the right wing know that these guys are going to be hard liners. Talk to me about the energy, enthusiasm and where we stand today. In, in, in with all the, that energy coming with a come from behind. This is like 2016 come from behind victory, sir.
Kevin Posobiec
It sure is. It sure is, Steve. And I was with, I was with a lot of the people from the campaign last night and they, they were partying so much. So we got, we got kicked out by the neighbors for moving the around too much. But listen, yeah, we were at CPAC in Zhaozhav and then CPAC in Budapest as well. And the Posos have quite a bit of a reputation now over here. And you know, listen, the skies are clearing over my shoulder here over the Vistula river, and the global storm has ended. I'm here to report that. And also, you know, it's almost time to break out the accordion and the polka tap dancing shoes over here. You know, the energy, the energy is, it's, it's still building. I gotta say, I gotta say earlier they were kind of pensive about, you know, especially what happened with Romania, how they stole the election there. But I mean, you could see Tarkovsky conceded this morning. So it's, it's game on. It's game on. And yeah, thanks to, to Jack and especially, yeah, cpac and really just, just the connection we have to America being able to, you know, through social media, connect to each other almost in real time now to broadcast a message. Nationalism, patriotism. You know, they love maga.
Steve Bannon
They love Maga and they love President Trump. Where do, where do people get your social media? Kevin, great job over there. Where do people find you on social media?
Kevin Posobiec
You can find me on, on Twitter and Instagram at Kevin Pasovic and also Human Events Daily. Yeah, so Evan Pacific and stay tuned. I'll be here for at least another day or so. Rallying with the, rallying with the Polish patriots.
Steve Bannon
Thank you, brother. We know how, we know how the Pacifics can rally. Kevin, great job. Matt Schlapp, great job. And by the way, thank folks for letting us, letting us use the, the studio there. Fantastic shot match slap the entire team, Mo Bannon, all of them. Great job. That's the urgency I wish we had done. I wish we had had the opportunity to do that in South Korea because that's exactly the kind of pop the South Koreans needed. Going to be very, very, very bad tonight. If it goes the way it looks like it's going to go, the South Koreans hopefully will step up to the plate, the conservatives there, because it's all on the line. This is going to be political warfare at its most brilliant. The CCP has taken a long time to work this strategy through. They actually have the control of a, of a political party that looks like it's on the cusp of winning at the ballot box. And when I say ballot box, there's already massive discussion about election fraud already. As we talked about, as we've had our Korean team on for the last couple of days, Boone Cutler, you and General Flynn came out with that great book about 5G warfare, the Next Generation of actually the warfare that's going on. Fifth generation Warfare. How does everything you see unfolding right now fit into you and General Flynn's theory of the case?
Boone Cutler
Sir, I think you're seeing it all over the place. I think you're seeing it with the AI. I mean, just like you said earlier, this, you know, this move on Taiwan is to deny access to those chips to the United States. That, that is the currency, that is the fuel, that is the, the powering apparatus of today's world is going to be those AI chips right now, Taiwan, with Taiwan, they've got like $500 billion worth of chips there now, not to mention another 500 billion in infrastructure that the CCP can grab at any given time and deny us that access. That's a big point with this fifth generation warfare, the political warfare you've spoken about in, in South Korea right now. Huge aspect. The United States is not doing enough political warfare against our, our adversaries. We're simply falling asleep at the wheel. We need to get into the game with all this stuff. We need to get into the game against the, the political warfare via specifically the Department of Defense in mainland China. We need to start going after the CCP that way. We need to activate the people inside mainland China that are willing to stand up against the government. We need to go these, to these depths that we've gone in the past when we were fighting major adversaries and we didn't hold back. And you brought up earlier that I think was a very, very good point about the deep state interference within our own government that's preventing us from taking action. And I think the best way to get really down to brass tacks and to solve that issue is to bring General Flynn back, his national security adviser. Because this president needs a wartime consigliere and there is nobody better than General Mike Flynn.
Steve Bannon
Let me ask you, a lot of. There is a wing of the MAGA movement, right, that would say, yo, Boone, your whole thing about, you know, regime change and getting into sea. Look, we're the biggest believers you got of regime change in China because the CCP is not legitimate and it was propped up by the American government that turned it over to him in 1949. And again, Bush 41 and Scowcroft and this crowd had their back in Tiananmen Square. And by the way, we're going to do our traditional Tiananmen activities starting Tuesday night at 6pm and we'll be live. We'll have a live shot at dawn as it breaks over Beijing. And we will. And then we'll continue on the 4th with our commemoration of Tiananmen. But there are people, Boone, that say, hey, look, all this activity around Persia that you guys are all trying to run around, Flynn's always trying to run around and get these dissidents to overthrow the government, the China. This is exactly why we're wrapped around the axle. It's one of the reasons we got a trillion dollar defense budget. Because you guys are neocon light. You're not as you don't want to go on guns blazing, but you're still getting us involved in situations we shouldn't be involved in. Your response, Boone Cutler?
Boone Cutler
My response is this. If you're in the middle of a fight, does it matter if you win or does it matter how you got there? I think it matters more that you win not, but not necessarily how you got there. And when you're talking about geopolitics, you're talking about prison rules. It can't just be everything done with a feather. Sometimes you have to have a hammer and sometimes that hammer needs to be non attributable. So when I talk about, you know, going into different countries and regime change, and I know General Flynn is probably on the same sheet of music that these aren't countries that we're trying to go in and do regime change in because we simply don't like that regime, because we don't like how they treat people and because we're going to stick our nose in it. No, these are countries that are viable threats to the United States and to our way of life. And the way the wars are waged is in this way. They do it to us that you've seen it in our own country where they've had uprisings that have been foreign influenced. We do it to them, everybody does it to everybody. This is the way the game is played. So I would say to those folks, God bless you, you're good people and I understand why you believe the way you believe. But when we're talking about war and when we're talking about protecting our country, if someone is a threat, you eliminate the threat. That's how you keep food on your table, that's how you keep gas in your car, that's how you make sure your kids get through college and start, start off with a very nice life. This is the way things talk.
Steve Bannon
Boone, talk to me about, talk to me about. Are you concerned about flashpoints here in the United States of what you're seeing here recently?
Boone Cutler
Biggest thing I'm worried about is China's presence in the United States and not just politically, because China does have a presence in the United States politically, but also their physical presence. I mean, everything that just happened in Russia with these drones, people have got to start looking very hard about this land that's owned by the CCP around our military installations. They could launch that same type of attack right here. Not to mention all those, all those container ships there are floating in the Gulf of America. Every one of those container ships could be launching the same type of thing. Now, I like the idea of the golden dome, but these things that I'm talking about would be working underneath the golden dome because they quite possibly might already be here. And if we're having these intelligence failures with things that are happening there, we got to also assume that maybe we're having intelligence failures in other places as well. And that's why I'm advocating that General Flynn needs to get in there. If there's one guy that's not going to be taken by the deep state, if there's one guy who's going to want to, who absolutely knows how to get down to brass tax and start cleaning things out, it's not just General Mike Flynn, but it's also General Charlie Flynn.
Steve Bannon
As a matter of fact, I want to just talk about Charlie Flynn's, General Flynn's, the other General Flynn's testimony last week, because we're going to talk about the third island chain tonight as we go to Korea. We're going to start with Cleo Pascal in the 6 o' clock hour. Boonie, can you hang around for a second? We also got Ben Harnwell in, in Rome. Rudy's going to join us. We got so much to break down. The big beautiful bill. I'll be doing that. Also Mike Davis big article in the New York Times how President Trump's tariffs were undone in the federal court system. Wait for it. By an amicus brief filed by conservative lawyers. The Federalist Society rears its ugly head in coming after populist nationalist economic policy as driven by a guy named President Donald John Trump. You can't make this stuff up. Unbelievable. We're gonna get to all that in the 5 o' clock hour and break down some economics. Rudy's gonna join us here in a moment. Commemoration about the great Bernie Carrick. Also, Rudy's gonna. I'm gonna get Rudy's opinion on what's happening. Nobody knows geopolitics better than Rudy. Short commercial break Bannon B A N N O N 989898 the ultimate guide, which is totally free from birchgold.com on investing in Gold and precious metal in the age of of Trump.
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Steve Bannon
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Ben Harnwell
Morning, Steve. Well, you know, perhaps that's what the mainstream media would have liked you to have believed. So, basically today in Istanbul, Constantinople, there was the second, second round of these peace talks hosted by the Turkish government. The first round was a couple of weeks ago, and it produced the largest exchange of prisoners of war from the two sides, the Russians and the Ukrainians. And the mainstream media was hyping this meeting that started today, all of last week. I didn't have high hopes for it, really, because you really need the Russians to be present there with at least someone of the level of Sergey Lavrov, the Russian front foreign minister. He wasn't there. President Putin sent an aide, I think Vladimir Medenski, just a presidential aide. It was hosted by the Turkish foreign minister, the Umarov, the Ukrainian foreign minister was there, but without the Russians. It was just performative. See, my point on this is very simple. Okay, my synthesis of this. By all accounts, the talks were wrapped up with an exchange of memoranda from the two sides, which could have been done by email. There's no need for physical presence. The meeting itself, I gather, lasted about 45 minutes, and there was without conclusions. My point, Steve, is this right? Yesterday, as you've been discussing in the first half of the show, Zelensky launched this very successful and brilliant drone attack on the Russian strategic warplanes. He's been planning on this for 18 months. Why did he launch this the day before? He was supposed to sit down for these peace talks. This is something already that the media starting to call the Russian Pearl harbor. Because, Steve, the guy is not interested in peace. That's my takeaway on the timing of this. Volodymyr Zelenskyy is not interested in peace. He can't come out and say it because the Western move media would lacerate him. He has to pretend to be totally interested in peace, but push the narrative. He said it's Putin.
Steve Bannon
He said it on the eve. On the eve. Hang on, the eve of peace talks or ceasefire talks. He, he, he takes the Japanese role in. In the Pearl harbor, the sneak attack and I hit. Listen, I'm not saying that. Audacious, brilliant, courageous, you can say all those things. It was all those. But President Trump, we're trying to have guys lay down their weapons and say, let's figure out how we get prosperity. We signed an economic deal that we hate. Right. And ties yourself somewhat with these guys. President Trump did that because that's his theory, the case. We're going to create prosperity. And through prosperity, every all boats rise and we can put our guns down. He just told the world he's not interested in peace. He doesn't need to sit there. I'm not interested in peace. You know what he does? Sends a couple of hundred drones to take out their strategic bombers.
Ben Harnwell
Ben Harnwell, look, I'm going to dissent ever so slightly from the analysis that you were chewing over with Posse earlier on in the show. And the reason is I never overestimate the competence of any government branch, least alone the intelligence agencies. So it is quite possible for me, quite possible that, that the US hadn't been informed. My takeaway on that is that is even more terrifying. But it just goes to show the point, Steve, here, the point here, just let's go to. Look, you were talking about how they're cooperating together in Wiesbaden in Germany. They're seeing one another. The US and the Ukrainians are sitting down every day. They're in the same mess hall. They're dining, they're gossiping, they're talking, they're planning, they're doing the strategy. And the Ukrainians didn't even have the courtesy to give the Americans. And you guys are financing all of this. They didn't even have the courtesy to give you guys a head up. Steve, this just illustrates the point that is so essential here that we said again and again you just hinted at it that POTUS is being dragged in here. He's not in control of this agenda and his intentions, Pacific as they are, are not going to succeed. All it will succeed in is getting the US Drawn in to a formal connect political element of this third world war. Let me close on this point. Let me close on this point. Right.
Steve Bannon
Yeah.
Ben Harnwell
President Trump, even if he were to negotiate peace between these two sides, there's no thank you in it for him. He won this election campaigning on getting the United States out within the 21st, 24 hours. You guys are still in. And if you are dragged further in. Right. If you guys are dragged further in, I'm going to say you're going to have a storm in the midterms. Next year. That is where your attention, that is where America's attention needs to be on the midterms of next year. Because otherwise you're going to get massacred.
Steve Bannon
With you on that, I disagree with you. I think you got to take care of the here and now and then that'll later on we'll take it. But right now, if you're in, if you're in Tel Aviv, if you're Bibi in that crowd there and you don't see the word is out that we didn't know anything about it and it's not condemned and all support is pulled immediately until Lindsey Graham get on a plane and keep your mouth shut on falling. So you're going to get over here, you're not going to stir the pot anymore. If I'm Bibi, I'm going out and saying, hey, let's rev the planes up. Let's roll, baby.
Lindsey Graham
What's good for Zelensky is good for.
Steve Bannon
What's good for Kiev is good for Tel Aviv. Let's roll. Let's hit it. We don't need to give the Americans a heads up. We don't need Gimme. Fare thee well, Rudy Giuliani. Thank Ben. Stick around. Rudy, you know Ukraine better than anybody. They mocked and ridicule you and drag you through courts and all this, try to put you in bankruptcy because you're expose of Ukraine. How big a deal is this? And when President Trump's trying to get peace, you have a deep state faction, but more importantly, you have the Ukrainians that are saying screw you. Here's what we think your peace proposal. We're going to give the Russians a taste of Pearl Harbor. Sir.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, you know, this was an audacious attack. I imagine this has to be the biggest one they've accomplished, certainly the deepest into Russia because up until now, up until the end of Biden, he wouldn't let them go any more than about 10 miles into Russia. And of course, the statement is we didn't know about it.
Steve Bannon
This is the biggest hit into Russia since the Vermont was rolling in 41 and 42, 43.
Lindsey Graham
The United States, we never hit these guys, the Chinese, The Chinese and these.
Steve Bannon
Guys all fought out in Siberia where the hell passed the Ural mountains. This was 3,000 miles in to their strategic bombers. Curtis LeMay and his wildest fantasies never thought to do anything like this. Sir.
Stephen K. Bannon
The point, the point that it wasn't known by the administration, I don't believe is correct. I believe we have plausible deniability because we haven't heard. If this were done behind the back of the administration, you would hear a lot of noise out of the White House today. You're hearing no noise. You're just hearing, oh, we didn't know about it. We didn't know about it. It's like, how often have. Have we denied that Israel has nuclear weapons? I mean, for a long time, we were denying that. The reality is this happened with some kind of undercover approval. It was too big an attack. And as you say, it's the biggest attack into Russia since the war. Russia's attack into Ukraine is the biggest attack since the war.
Steve Bannon
Hang on, hang on. Yo, Rudy, hang on. If we gave tacit approval, I guess we're not that serious about a Russian rapprochement. This is not sending a drone in to hit some Wagner group, guys. This is not sending a drone in even to hit around Kursk. This is not sending a couple of drones in because the Russians are hitting them. They hit the biggest. They hit the biggest assault. I think on Saturday night or Friday night, the Russians are hitting them with drone attacks. But for us to have a rapprochement, if we had tacit approval, it does. Does that, does that help our position? Do the Russians sit there and go, okay, we should work something out with the Americans away from the Chinese, or does it show, hey, the Americans now more than ever are using their proxy in Ukraine to attack our strategic bombing forces, something Curtis LeMay never did, brother.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, you know, President Trump gave him plenty of time to show that he was going to be reasonable. I think the president laid a tremendous groundwork for this. You're not going to see too many people complaining about this, if any. Look at all the time he gave him, all the opportunities. Putin put out demands that were ridiculous. He wanted more in the peace negotiation that he actually gained in war. He wanted all the territory that he has, plus the territory he hasn't gotten more of it to fill out those provinces because in each one of the provinces, well, three of the four, he only has about two thirds of them. The other one third Ukraine holds onto. And the president was going into this thinking we were going to negotiate for some territory back from them. And I imagine he's thinking about the territory where the Russians have some of the precious minerals that we want. About two thirds of the minerals are in Ukraine, Ukraine land. About one third are in the land controlled by Russia. You know, the president wants to get his hands on some of that.
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Rudy, can you hear for a second? I'm going to hold you through the break at Boone Cutler, Ben Harwell. Rudy joins us. We're going to talk about the great Bernie Kerik here in a moment. Short commercial break Patriot Mobile we're going to get where I should tell you over the weekend. We're getting all over the situation in Texas. Something is not right in Texas. Support Patriot Mobile 972 Patriot call talk to their reps, US citizens and make the switch today. Short break.
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Steve Bannon
So, Rudy, talk to me if you can. I don't know if you're, you're allowed to, given your tangles with these guys. How important is this trial out in Colorado? Mike Lindell decided not to settle. Kind of bet the company in doing this. Your thoughts?
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, he's got a very, very good defense. It's always a question in cases involving him or me or frankly, you, if you're going to get a fair trial. The statements, the statements were statements of opinion, not direct facts, which takes it out of the realm of defamation right away. Somehow that doesn't get applied if a case involves someone that's close to Trump. Should have been dismissed originally. So now we have to see how a jury is going to treat him. Right? I mean, unfortunately, I've learned to analyze cases differently than I did, you know, when I was even five years ago. You can't just look at the merits of the case. You have to look at the judge has been extremely unfair in this case. And we're in a Democratic stronghold, but not like D.C. or New York. So I think Mike's got a good chance here.
Steve Bannon
Unbelievable. Rudy, hang on for a second. We got more talk to you about geopolitics. And of course, I want to talk about the great Bernie Kerik who left us last week, late last week. Boone, I just want to reiterate something. You said that the war room, engine room, and I know the posse is all worked up about and want to hear more from you. This whole situation with the CCP that if Ukraine can do that 3,000 miles into Russia, the CCP can do the exact same thing here in the United States of America. Why do you say that? Whatever you talked about cargo ships, you talk about farmland. Just put a little meat on that bone for a second, sir.
Boone Cutler
Well, you put a little meat on that bone. You see, there's a lot of car. There's a lot of containers, you know, that are coming from those cargo ships all around the United States. You looking at area that is occupied by the CCP in the United States, around military installations? I don't think that's an accident. I think that's on purpose. And if I was going to, you know, neutralize the nuclear threat in the United States, I would do it in that sort of way, which would give them clear. A clear go at Taiwan, because now what are we going to do? So I think these things are very, very viable. I know unrestricted warfare is being utilized by the ccp. This would be on in that playbook. The other thing in that playbook, the easy Stu. I mean, look what they've got going on in our country in agriculture. Look what they've got going in our country. I mean, my goodness, we buy our medication from the ccp, we need to decouple from the ccp, and we need to get them out of our country immediately because we are making ourselves targets and we're doing it willingly. That needs to stop for money.
Steve Bannon
Boone, where do people go to get the book? You and General Flynn wrote, your social media podcast, all of it. Where do folks go?
Boone Cutler
You can find the Citizens Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare series anywhere. Books are sold online or@generalflyn.com you can find me at x@boonecutler. And I'm happy to talk to anybody. Thanks for having me on today. That's the wrong page right there, by the way. That's got the underscore. You'll see me standing. My feet are on a. On a. You'll see my Crocs if you find the right one.
Steve Bannon
Okay, your Crocs. We're looking forward to that. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. We'll miss those. Thank you, brother. Ben Harnwell, any. Any thoughts, observations for Let you punch out, sir, on this. On this ongoing. Now ask. They're going. The Ukrainians are going up the escalatory ladder at the exact moment when President Trump wants to calm down and come down the escalatory ladder and cut a deal. It's either with the help of the deep state and. Or they're hiding that information from the. From the president. Although Rudy says that very smartly. They're not making a big deal about it because they want plausible deniability. Ben Harnwell, your thoughts on this metastasizing situation between Ukraine and Russia, sir?
Ben Harnwell
Well, Steve, you said earlier that the White House should come out and make a statement on this, and I think it should it should make a very clear statement on that. I also think referring to this story from last week about the new German Chancellor Friedrich Metz saying that America had lifted its range limiting inhibitions on those long range ATACMS missiles that the US had provided to Ukraine, I think a statement on that should still, I don't understand how we haven't had a clarifying statement on that. And if you and Jack Posobic and Rudy Giuliani are correct and the US Intelligence services were informed, I think people need to, if I may say this with all due love and respect towards the president, they need to be giving him this movement, this MAGA movement, needs to be making it absolutely clear to the President that what their interest are our US Disengagement from this theater because they don't want to see America being dragged in. And that is exactly what's happening. There's no way you can look at this event over the weekend, which as I say, the media are already starting to call the Russian Pearl harbor and not fear for the safety and security of the United States moving forward. There's no possible interpretation of these events.
Steve Bannon
That will, by the way, to back you up. The perfect thing was Lindsey Graham was all over Ukrainian media and global media all over the weekend, basically challenging President Trump. He's saying, hey, the House and the Senate are going to have their own thing. We're going to have a package. Lindsey Graham is 100% against President Trump's foreign policy. Lindsey Graham is the biggest neoliberal neocon in the Senate. He's worse than McConnell. He's the one stirring up the pot in Israel. He's the one stirring up the pot in Kiev. He wants, he wants bombers. He wants bombers heading in right now. And he just shows you right there that's 180% out from the President. Ben, thanks for joining us. Social media, where do people go to get all your blinding insights on get to.
Ben Harnwell
Steve, just simply tap in my surname at Harnwell. Let me close with this point about Senator Graham, please. I differ from you on just one point. On one point, I wouldn't summon him back to the United States. I would pick the phone to Kristi Noem and say, cancel his passport, don't let him back into the United States. If he lives it so much over there, let him stay there.
Steve Bannon
I agree with you, sir. Better. Always better. You always make things better. Ben, thank you. Once more time, social media on getter at Harnwell.
Ben Harnwell
Thanks, Steve. God bless. Catch, catch up with you later.
Steve Bannon
Thank you so much. By the way, New York Post can be having a big story this afternoon. We are back on Spotify as of this morning. I think we've been off Spotify for four or five years. We're back on, in fact the 10am hour. They don't stream. We stream live on Real America's Voice, our distribution partner, Spotify. The podcast only puts podcast up afterwards. Actually, they put up the first hour at 11 o' clock. Just go to Spotify. Answaroom. We're back up on Spotify. So go check it out. They hit the follow button, leave a review, do all of it. We're up on Spotify. Be a big article in the New York Post this afternoon, an interview and we'll play that. We'll make sure we push that out at the five o' clock show. So we're on Spotify, I think the largest. We're on Apple right now, but we're going on Spotify, I think has 650 million people have downloaded the app, the Spotify app. So go check it out today. Rudy, I want to get to Bernie.
Lindsey Graham
Quickly, but just give me your advice.
Steve Bannon
This morning in the Oval Office to President Trump would be what, sir?
Stephen K. Bannon
Pardon me, Stu.
Steve Bannon
What advice would you give President Trump in the Oval Office? We were talking this morning about this situation with Russia.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, I would, I would say if I'm right, it's been played just absolutely right. We have not. We're not doing auto complaining this morning. You also note that this was a one year operation. Can't be that we missed a one year operation planning something as sophisticated as this. So I think this is a, this is a way of hitting Putin really hard. He knows, of course, that Zelensky is not going to do this without Trump's approval. And it still maintains the ability for Putin and Trump to communicate with each other. If this doesn't work, I think Putin is going to look at a lot worse than this. And also they're calling it the Russian Pearl Harbor. That's hardly the Russian Pearl Harbor. We weren't attacking Japan for two and a half years before they hit us. We didn't attack Japan at all. I mean, they've been hitting Ukrainian cities and killing Ukrainian babies.
Steve Bannon
Hold it. But it is the Russian Pearl harbor because what happened to Pearl Harbor? What did Yamato say on the, on the deck? He said, hang on, hang on. He said, we've, we've awakened a sleeping giant. What happened at that? It ended with the firebombing of Tokyo, ended with the fire bombing of, of every major city. But it burned him to the ground and then drop a couple of nukes on them so that we didn't have to invade and broke them. Yeah. So let's say it is the Pearl Harbor.
Stephen K. Bannon
How did that.
Steve Bannon
How did that. How did that end for the attacking forces? Not well. Okay. Not well. Rudy, talk to me. Talk to me about Bernie Kerrick. Nobody. He was America's cop. You were America's mayor. We just lost one of the great ones, one of the great MAGA patriots. Tell me about Bernie.
Stephen K. Bannon
This was a really exceptional American, an exceptional patriot, a guy that was there just at the right time. I probably know that better than anyone because he was instrumental in saving my life and 40 other people that were trapped in a building for 30 minutes. Right after the first building came down. I was in a building. He had set up the communication so we could get to the White House. I had actually gotten through, gotten a little information from. From one of the staff members, and I was waiting for a call back from Vice President Cheney when all of a sudden our building got rocked like it was an earthquake. Everybody went under the table. We were stuck in the building for 30 minutes. Had to really do a lot of moving around through rubble and to find a way out into another building. And Bernie's. Bernie's inability to be frightened about anything sure helped to keep everyone under control because we had some pretty nervous people. And then we went right out into a situation where people were getting hit in the head, and he was leading the pack. Now, I have to say, all throughout, he was at my side, cool head, understood what to do, natural instinct for law enforcement. And before that, he reduced violence in Rikers island by 90%, documented by 60 Minutes, if anybody wants to ever question it. And he reduced violence in New York City by as much or more than my two previous police commissioners who were considered to have done things that were impossible. We eventually reduced crime altogether, more than any city in the history of America. So this was a. And then he went and volunteered in Iraq in order to try to put the police together there. And I talked to him on the phone, and I would hear gunshots in the background.
Steve Bannon
Rudy, hang on for one second. Just hang one second. We're holding to a break. America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the greatest mayor in the history of New York, talking about his wingman, the police commissioner, Bernie Kerry. Back in a moment.
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Rudy Giuliani
With each agency bringing unique authorities and expertise, HSI special agents will continue a.
Steve Bannon
Whole of government approach to take the.
Rudy Giuliani
Fight to transnational criminal actors and organizations.
Steve Bannon
Who poison our community. That's an ice up. In Massachusetts, Homan and Kristi Noem are taking the fight to the enemy, particularly these, these places that are sanctuary states, sanctuary, sanctuary cities. They're saying that day's over. They're gonna be rolling people up. Rudy, give me your thoughts on, on how you think DHS is doing now and working. You see right there, they got U.S. attorneys, they've got the local people. We've just had the situation in Texas trying to get the sheriffs involved. How do you think Homeland Security doing on the deportations?
Stephen K. Bannon
I think they're, I think they're doing miracles. Even with the, even with all the judicial interference, which is almost historic in nature. I mean, it's 80 or 90 judges have gotten involved, acting like they're judges for the entire United States as opposed to just their district. But with that, we're, we're deporting a large number of people every day and most importantly, nobody's coming in. And that's not just, that's not just our security at the border. That's the deterrent effect that we've sent all over the world. It's not a happy thing coming into the United States. Now before you were being escorted by our people, unfortunately, our border patrol became an escort Service for drug dealers, rapists, murderers. Now we keep them out, and when we get them, they may go to El Salvador. So, Rudy, never discount deterrent effect where the criminal war is involved. It's really at the basis of why we have so much crime in all these democratic cities. Nobody's afraid.
Steve Bannon
It's been a tremendous deterrent. This is why the border's closed. Before, before you bounce. You and Bernie during, During the attack on New York City really were. Gave the country a level of comfort that people were actually in charge to get things done and sort this mess out. But over the last 10 years or so, as you particularly become involved with President Trump and Bernie did too, became one of the stalwarts of the MAGA movement. Walk me through how Bernie had your back in this entire time. Because, you know, Bernie and Erik Prince were the two guys that escorted me up to the prison, actually into the. To the entry hall of the prison in Danbury. And the prison people were like, sitting there, America's biggest mercenary and Erik Prince and America's biggest hammer in Bernie Kerik. How did Bernie have your back over the last couple of turbulent years for Rudy Giuliani?
Stephen K. Bannon
Oh, it meant all the. It meant the world to me. I mean, he's. I mean, even on September 11, I described. Described it as I was standing on the shoulder of judge. Shoulders of giants. And I meant him, my fire commissioner and my. And my head of emergency services. These guys were. I mean, it's like what you want in a war. They weren't afraid of anything. And here I've been going through, you know, what all that you've been going through, and Bernie's been right there every minute trying to figure everything out. When I, When I had to go, when I had to go report in Fulton county into the worst jail in the country, Bernie figured it all out, told me how to handle it, what to do, what was going to happen. I mean, they put us through, like, a little bit of a torture chamber, getting to get our prints done and our pictures taken. We went past about five lines of inmates, and funniest thing is, they apported for us. But they weren't expecting that. They were hoping that we would get things thrown at us. And Bernie had us ready for the whole thing and in case bail was denied, what we have to do. And having him there, you know what it's like. You know, Bernie having him there just makes you more confident, makes you braver.
Steve Bannon
This week, the funeral is going to be. It's going to be. I think I don't know if it's been announced yet, but official commissioners type and. And I take it you're gonna. You're gonna give one of the eulogies since. Since at the most important inflection point you he was there with you as your wingman.
Stephen K. Bannon
It'll be at St Patrick's 10 o' clock on Friday. And that is a going to be a traditional, what we call a commissioner's funeral, which the highest level funeral New York City can give be the same a mayor would have. And Mayor Adams has been more than generous and kind in the way in which he's taken care of the family. They are in shock. And when the police commissioner personally gets involved to help them, it means a lot. You should know that Bernie and Mayor Adams were friends way back when they were cops together. And it remained through all of the different political machinations. And when I became. One of the reasons I picked him was because we had gone through two or three demonstrations about police shootings. And Bernie was able to really solve a lot of the problems in terms of the disconnect between the black community and the police department. And in the last couple of years of my administration, although we had had some bad times at the beginning, we had some very good relations and a lot of that had to do with his close personal relationship with Adams, who endorsed me for mayor way back then.
Steve Bannon
Well, this is the middle of a tough fight. We're also going to cover this, the funeral wall to wall coverage. It's only the war room. Can Rudy podcast your show on Lindell tv? All your social media. Where do people go? America's Mayor.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, we're. We're on at 7 tonight on Lindell TV and we'll be covering some of Mike's trial. And then I'm on at 8 on X, which is America's Mayor Live. That's been on now for three or four years and it's really done very, very well. And thanks to. Thanks to our people who are so loyal.
Steve Bannon
No, you've got a great audience. Social media. Where do people go on X or Getter to get you, sir?
Stephen K. Bannon
Yep, it's on every. It's on Rumble, it's on Getter, it's on Lindell, it's on YouTube. I don't know how, but it's on YouTube, you know.
Steve Bannon
Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Rudy Giuliani. The mayor knows more about Ukrainian geopolitics than anybody alive. I'm not sure. I think General Flynn and I may disagree slightly with Rudy's take on. Whereas we'll get RUDY on Back during the week, a lot more unfolding here. President Trump, the kinetic part of the Third World War only got more dangerous over the weekend as America every second is inexorably sucked in to a broader conflict on the Eurasian landmass. And tonight will be live in Korea to talk about the political warfare that would turn one of our greatest allies over to the Chinese Communist Party and political warfare. Charlie Kirk is next. Poso after that. We're back here 5pm tonight live on Real America's Voice, the war room. See that?
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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room – Episode 4529: Rise Of Threat Of World War 3
Release Date: June 2, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Description: WAR ROOM is a comprehensive program delivering up-to-the-minute news insights with contributions from medical experts, politicians, business leaders, and frontline reporters. In Episode 4529, Stephen K. Bannon delves into the escalating geopolitical tensions that are inching the world closer to the brink of World War III.
Russia-Ukraine Conflict: Steve Bannon opens the episode by discussing the tumultuous developments in the Russia-Ukraine war. Highlighting a significant drone attack by Ukrainian forces deep into Russian territory, Bannon emphasizes the lack of prior intelligence and condemns the administration's apparent disengagement.
Steve Bannon [00:03]: "This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going."
He criticizes the National Security Council for not being adequately prepared or informed about Ukraine's aggressive maneuvers.
Potential Threats from China: Bannon and guest Boone Cutler explore the concept of Fifth Generation Warfare, highlighting China's strategic positioning and potential threats to the United States. They discuss China's involvement in U.S. infrastructure and military installations, raising alarms about possible future attacks.
Boone Cutler [07:54]: "The United States is not doing enough political warfare against our adversaries. We're simply falling asleep at the wheel."
Divergent Foreign Policy Views: A heated exchange unfolds between Steve Bannon and Senator Lindsey Graham, showcasing the rift within the Republican Party regarding foreign policy. Graham advocates for increased defense spending and support for Ukraine, while Bannon pushes for disengagement and peaceful negotiations.
Lindsey Graham [00:10]: "Medieval on these people."
Steve Bannon [00:24]: "Do not add any money because this is what Lindsey Graham's saying."
Deep State Concerns: The discussion touches upon the influence of the deep state and intelligence failures that may be undermining President Trump's efforts to de-escalate international conflicts.
Boone Cutler [07:54]: "We need to activate the people inside mainland China that are willing to stand up against the government."
Failed Intelligence on Drone Attacks: Bannon expresses skepticism about the administration's claim of being unaware of Ukraine's drone strike deep into Russia, suggesting possible intelligence lapses or deliberate concealment.
Steve Bannon [25:04]: "It's like, how often have we denied that Israel has nuclear weapons? I mean, for a long time, we were denying that."
Discussion on Military Escalation: The episode underscores the precarious balance between military actions and diplomatic negotiations, with Bannon advocating for robust military responses to deter further aggression.
Steve Bannon [26:47]: "The president laid a tremendous groundwork for this. You're not going to see too many people complaining about this, if any."
Kevin Posobiec on CPAC and the MAGA Movement: Kevin Posobiec provides insights into the energy and enthusiasm at recent CPAC events, emphasizing the growing nationalist and patriotic sentiments within the MAGA movement.
Kevin Posobiec [04:51]: "The energy is still building. I gotta say, earlier they were kind of pensive, but it's game on."
Boone Cutler on Fifth Generation Warfare: Boone Cutler elaborates on the strategies of Fifth Generation Warfare, emphasizing the role of AI and economic disruptions as tools of modern geopolitical conflicts.
Boone Cutler [07:54]: "AI chips are the fuel of today's world, and controlling them is controlling the future."
Ben Harnwell on Peace Talks and Intelligence Failures: Ben Harnwell critiques the recent peace talks in Istanbul, highlighting the lack of senior Russian officials' participation and questioning the sincerity of Ukraine's commitment to peace.
Ben Harnwell [18:03]: "Volodymyr Zelenskyy is not interested in peace. He can't come out and say it because the Western media would lacerate him."
Rudy Giuliani on Mike Lindell's Trial and Bernie Kerik's Funeral: Rudy Giuliani discusses the high-profile trial of Mike Lindell, emphasizing the challenges faced by those standing against government pressures. He also pays tribute to the late Bernie Kerik, highlighting his contributions to law enforcement and personal support to Bannon.
Rudy Giuliani [45:23]: "With each agency bringing unique authorities and expertise, HSI special agents will continue..."
Stephen K. Bannon [41:17]: "Bernie's inability to be frightened about anything sure helped to keep everyone under control."
BRICS and the Rio Reset: Senator Lindsey Graham introduces the concept of the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa) aiming to replace the US dollar with their own currency, a move that could destabilize the global economy and reduce the value of the dollar.
Lindsey Graham [15:00]: "The Rio Reset in July marks a pivotal moment when BRICS objectives move decisively from a theoretical possibility towards inevitable reality."
Advisory on Economic Preparation: Graham advises listeners to consider diversifying their savings into precious metals like gold as a hedge against the potential devaluation of the dollar.
Lindsey Graham [15:47]: "Learn if diversifying your savings into gold is right for you."
Homeland Security Initiatives: Rudy Giuliani and Stephen K. Bannon discuss the efforts of Homeland Security in combating transnational criminal activities and safeguarding U.S. borders. They highlight the importance of stringent deportation policies and the deterrent effect these measures have on reducing crime rates.
Stephen K. Bannon [45:19]: "We're deporting a large number of people every day and most importantly, nobody's coming in."
Concerns Over CCP's Presence in the U.S.: Boone Cutler warns about the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) physical and political presence in the United States, raising alarms about potential future attacks similar to those executed by Ukraine in Russia.
Boone Cutler [33:08]: "These things are very, very viable. I know unrestricted warfare is being utilized by the CCP."
Mike Lindell's Trial: Mike Lindell faces a high-stakes trial in Colorado, which he and Steve Bannon describe as a pivotal moment in the broader struggle against what they perceive as relentless legal attacks from adversarial forces.
Mike Lindell [29:49]: "We've waited four years for this as they've attacked us relentlessly through lawfare."
Defense Strategies and Fair Trials: Bannon expresses confidence in Lindell's defense, arguing that the trial is influenced by political biases and questioning the fairness of the legal proceedings.
Stephen K. Bannon [31:30]: "The statements were statements of opinion, not direct facts, which takes it out of the realm of defamation right away."
Bernie Kerik's Funeral: Stephen K. Bannon shares a heartfelt tribute to the late Bernie Kerik, a former New York City Police Commissioner and close ally. Bannon recounts personal experiences during a crisis where Kerik's leadership was instrumental in saving lives.
Stephen K. Bannon [41:17]: "Bernie's natural instinct for law enforcement was invaluable during our time together."
As the episode concludes, Steve Bannon underscores the urgency of addressing the mounting geopolitical threats that could potentially spiral into a global conflict. He emphasizes the need for strategic political warfare, unity within the MAGA movement, and vigilant domestic policies to safeguard national security.
Steve Bannon [52:18]: "President Trump, the kinetic part of the Third World War only got more dangerous over the weekend as America every second is inexorably sucked in to a broader conflict on the Eurasian landmass."
Episode 4529 of Bannon's War Room presents a stark analysis of the current global tensions and their implications for the United States. Through a series of in-depth discussions with key figures, the podcast underscores the pressing need for strategic action to prevent the escalation of conflicts into a global war. The episode serves as a clarion call for vigilance, unity, and proactive policies to navigate the complex geopolitical landscape of 2025.