Episode 4542: Failure Of DOGE

Summary

Bannon’s War Room: Episode 4542 – Failure of DOGE

Release Date: June 6, 2025
Host: Natalie Winters (filling in for Stephen K. Bannon)
Guest Speakers: Nate Picarsik, Colonel John Mills, Caroline Wren
Sponsored By: Various sponsors (advertisements omitted as per instructions)

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1. Introduction and Opening Remarks (00:02 - 00:43)

Stephen K. Bannon opens the episode with a passionate critique of mainstream media, emphasizing the public's frustration with perceived dishonesty:

• "All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it." (00:02)

He underscores the urgency of his mission:

• "Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved." (00:33)

Natalie Winters takes over as the host, assuring listeners of a focus on significant threats, particularly highlighting the Chinese Communist Party (PRC) as a primary concern.

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2. Failure of DOGE Program (00:51 - 05:58)

Natalie Winters discusses the DOGE program, criticizing its inability to achieve the intended $2 trillion in budget cuts. She emphasizes that while DOGE had noble intentions aligned with "Bannonism"—the dismantling of the administrative state—it fell short of its mission.

Key Points:

• DOGE was an organically developed initiative that failed to deliver on its financial overhaul objectives.
• The movement must remain focused on core issues like election integrity without being sidetracked by social media distractions.
• Critique of Elon Musk's involvement and his perceived lack of gratitude towards grassroots supporters:
  • "The idea of ingratitude. We're obviously grateful for what Elon did... but at the end of the day, it was this audience." (05:58)

Natalie stresses the importance of grassroots efforts over reliance on wealthy donors or corporate figures, warning against selling out the movement to elite interests.

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3. China's Influence in Peru (05:58 - 13:12)

Guest: Nate Picarsik, author from Real Clear Defense, elaborates on the growing influence of the PRC in Peru, particularly focusing on strategic infrastructure investments and political grooming.

Key Discussions:

• Strategic Investments: China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) strategies in Peru, including the development of a megaport that enhances China's control over rare earths and critical supply chains.

  • "Peru is becoming the next strategic outpost in China's global infrastructure web." (07:00)

• Political Manipulation: The grooming of Rafael Lopez Aliaga, Lima's mayor, as a potential future presidential candidate with strong economic ties to China.

  • "He is looking to move up and graduate from being in charge of Lima to being in charge of the entire country." (07:21)

• Call to Action: Emphasizes the need for the U.S. to proactively counter China's strategies rather than remain reactive.

  • "If we don't, we're going to have these looming threats and their ownership of strategic infrastructures surrounding us." (06:37)

Quotes:

• "Peru is important because it's in our backyard in Latin America. China's prioritized it and we're letting them run rough shot over us there." – Nate Picarsik (05:58)
• "We're reactive, on the defensive. It's time that we put China on the defensive, put them on their back foot." – Nate Picarsik (06:37)

Natalie also references China's recent pullout from Panama's BRI commitments as a strategic victory, signaling potential for increased Western engagement in Latin America to counter Chinese moves.

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4. Chinese Infiltration in South Korean Elections (13:12 - 25:47)

Guest: Colonel John Mills provides a detailed account of Chinese interference in South Korea's elections, illustrating a broader pattern of PRC's global influence tactics.

Key Topics:

• Election Manipulation: Claims of a coordinated Chinese operation to influence South Korea's elections through the Association of World Election Bodies.

  • "It's part of the international election cartel... throwing elections and making sure populists don't win." (18:24)

• US Complicity: Accusations that the acting US Ambassador in South Korea is facilitating PRC's efforts, necessitating the appointment of a more action-oriented ambassador.

  • "We have to get rid of that guy who's over there and put an action-oriented ambassador in place." (23:01)

• Global Pattern: Highlights how similar tactics are being replicated in the United States, particularly targeting renewable energy investments and key industries.

  • "They're capturing the elites to guarantee that they can lock in that influence." (12:31)

Notable Quotes:

• "If you were to take what they've achieved in Lima and escalate it to the national, national level, that increases the risk for what we have going on in Latin America." – Nate Picarsik (09:08)
• "They've been working on this for 30 years... so we actually need to re-engage in a much better, stronger way." – Colonel John Mills (22:50)
• "We need to get to the point where we're putting them on their back foot." – Colonel John Mills (06:37)

Conclusion: Colonel Mills calls for urgent action from the U.S. government to counteract PRC's infiltration efforts, stressing that delay could result in significant strategic losses.

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5. Elon Musk Feud and Jared Isaacman Controversy (25:47 - 43:43)

Guest: Caroline Wren, a fundraising expert, critiques Elon Musk's influence and his fallout with Jared Isaacman—a billionaire nominated for NASA Administrator—posing potential conflicts of interest.

Key Discussions:

• Jared Isaacman's Nomination: Details Isaacman's background, including past fraud charges and substantial donations to Democratic candidates, raising concerns about his suitability and motivations.

  • "Jared Isaacman, who essentially is a modern-day Frank Abagnale." (35:03)

• Conflict of Interest: Isaacman's refusal to divest from Shift4, a company with substantial ties to SpaceX, suggesting potential manipulation for corporate gain.

  • "He did not plan to divest from Shift4 once confirmed." (37:04)

• Political Donations: Isaacman and his wife Monica's extensive donations to Democratic senators, undermining his claimed bipartisan support:

  • "They've given hundreds of thousands of dollars over the past 10 years, almost exclusively to Democrats." (37:04)

• Elon Musk's Meltdown: Attributed to Isaacman's nomination and the perceived threat to SpaceX's interests, leading to public fallout.

Notable Quotes:

• "This nomination, frankly, reeked of corruption from the beginning." – Caroline Wren (37:04)
• "He bought his way into the Trump administration with a $2 million bribe to the inaugural fund." – Caroline Wren (39:06)
• "Jared Isaacman's nomination was polled... Thank God this guy is gone." – Caroline Wren (39:06)

Conclusion: Caroline Wren emphasizes the importance of scrutinizing political nominations to prevent conflicts of interest and corruption, advocating for transparency and integrity within the administration.

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6. Tribute to Bernie Kerik (50:16 - 53:33)

Stephen K. Bannon and Colonel John Mills honor former NYPD Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, highlighting his legacy and impact on law enforcement and the MAGA movement.

Key Points:

• Kerik’s Legacy: Recognized for his leadership during and after the September 11, 2001, attacks, symbolizing resilience and dedication.

  • "He was there when the Twin Towers collapsed. He knew the faces of the rescuers who rushed toward danger." (52:08)

• MAGA Connection: Celebrates Kerik as a foundational figure in the MAGA movement, linking his law enforcement prowess to national security and patriotic values.

  • "He was a major part of the history of just not New York City, but the entire country given the 911 attack." (52:22)

• Christian Faith: Emphasizes the role of Christian and Judeo-Christian values in uniting and guiding the community.

  • "The remains of Bernie Kerik... honor the Christian faith." (51:22)

Notable Quotes:

• "Bernie Kerik understands the duties that came to America on September 11th." – Stephen K. Bannon (52:08)
• "Kerik was known as American following the 911 terror attacks." – Colonel John Mills (52:08)
• "He brings a quality of leadership that... gives us the opportunity to build on a record that is a very, very difficult one to match." – Stephen K. Bannon (50:43)

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Conclusion

Natalie Winters wraps up the episode by reinforcing the central themes of combating PRC influence, maintaining grassroots movements, and ensuring integrity within political and corporate spheres. She emphasizes the necessity of vigilance and proactive measures to safeguard national interests.

Final Remarks:

• The episode underscores the ongoing battles against external and internal threats to American sovereignty and democratic integrity.
• Listeners are encouraged to stay informed, engaged, and supportive of leaders who prioritize national security and grassroots empowerment.

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Notable Omissions:
Advertisements, promotional segments, and non-content portions have been excluded to maintain focus on the substantive discussions and analyses presented during the episode.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not getting a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Natalie Winters]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these had a conscience.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Natalie Winters]

Welcome to the War room. It's Friday, June 6th, in the year of our Lord 2025. Natalie Winters hosting, filling in for Stephen K. Bannon. But don't go anywhere. You guys probably know by now there's not controversial going on in the news. Don't worry, we're going to get to all of that, but we're going to focus on the actual, dare we say, kinetic threats. Of course, the Chinese Communist Party, you know, War Room has always proudly been the home of signal, not noise. And that's we're going to keep giving you, I think for me, the sort of top line signal assessments of what has come out of this Elon Trump debacle. Placing the blame square, squarely on the former, is that first and foremost, we will not be distracted from our end game and end goal of dismantling, defanging, deconstructing the administrative state. DOGE had a good purpose, it had a good intention. But I think we can all agree that it did not actually seal the deal on the $2 trillion in cuts. And it's not President Trump's job or our job as this audience to cover for where Doge did not complete the mission that they were tasked and not even that they were tasked with, that they came up with organically. That being said, we of course love the mission of doge. I think to its core it represents Bannonism, right? Getting rid of the administrative state. But I also think that this audience, what have we always been focused on, the most important thing, which is election integrity. And we're not going to be distracted from turning out votes, knocking on doors, doing what we do best by petty sideshow distractions on social media platforms that this country would probably be better off without. And to that point, I think it's also worth noting that I think there was one word that particularly stood out to me that Elon Musk used that I think I take offense to and that I think this audience should take offense to. And certainly President Trump. And it's the idea of ingratitude. We're obviously grateful for what Elon did in terms of putting, you know, 200 and what is it, some odd million dollars into the state of Pennsylvania. But at the end of the day, it was this audience. It was the people who knocked doors, who got their hands dirty, who persevered, who put up with the FBI details and the FBI raids and the monitoring and the prosecutions, the persecutions, the jail times, the jail sentences, who really put the legwork in. And if we were to just sell this movement out to the highest bidder or the donor class, I think we would frankly end up back in square one, which is where we all started the advent of the Trump revolution, which was the idea that we could decouple not just from the Chinese Communist Party, but from the donor class to begin with. And just because the people who write the big checks say that we have to care about, you know, insert whatever issue it is that doesn't actually matter for working class Americans, we don't have to take that as our own. The other I would say flag I would plant very firmly right now is that obviously the Tech Bros. Love them, hate them. I think you know where this show stands on that. We cannot allow Elon to be replaced. And I don't use that word in a loaded term, but just generically with someone who I would argue is much worse. I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos and all of those types of have been calling the White House nonstop to try to become the new little buddy or not so little buddy. And I think that this audience should draw the line in the sand right now that President Trump is best when we let Trump be Trump. And we don't need any sidekicks by the name of Mark Zuckerberg hanging around the Oval Office or anywhere near it. I think he should sell the house he just bought in D.C. and kick him out if it were up to me. But I digress. I want to get though to the serious stuff, and that is, of course, the prc, particularly what they're doing. Peru, there was a great new piece, if you want to toss it up on screen. And real clear defense. All minerals are local. China's man in Lima, of course, we've been talking about not just China's monopoly and really stranglehold over these rare earths, the sourcing of them, but particularly the processing. What is it dominating? I think 90% of the world's sort of ability to do that, to export the magnets, the batteries, the semiconductors, take your pick. But this article really points out a term that I like, how Peru is becoming the next strategic outpost in China's global infrastructure web. Of course, it's sort of the BRI style infrastructure buying over, but particularly their grooming and I use that word and it's full definition future presidential candidate. So I want to bring the author of that piece, Nate Picarsik, whose last name I hope if I am pronouncing correctly on the show, to sort of walk us through the piece. And Nate, I'm curious why you think Peru is a country not just that the PRC is very interested in right now, but why our audience needs to be up to date on what they're trying to do there.

[Nate Picarsik]

Thanks for having me, Natalie, and nailed the last name. So thank you. Really appreciate it. Peru is important because it's, it's in our backyard in Latin America. China's prioritized it and we're letting them run rough shot over us there as, as they have elsewhere. So it's, it's high time that the American people start monitoring the risks there and that the US Government get there and behave strategically. We're reactive, on the defensive. It's, it's time that we put China on the defensive, put them on their back foot. And if we don't, we're going to have these looming threats and their ownership of strategic infrastructures surrounding us.

[Natalie Winters]

It seems like a lot of times when we're talking about the Chinese taking over infrastructure countries, whether, you know, directly through the sort of strategic investment or even the just the blackmail of political elites, we often talk in past tense, right. It already happened, it's been taken over. But I think Peru is a particularly interesting case because it's sort of happening in real time. Right. There's sort of the open source evidence that a lot of these people who are running for office down there have been bought off or you know, linked pretty directly and heavily to the prc. But there's also some backdoor deals if you want to walk us through who exactly this candidate is and the sort of grooming tactics that, that they're using, which probably aren't too d, I would say dissimilar from what we've got going on here in the United States.

[Nate Picarsik]

No, it's spot on and that's what makes it scary. So in the mayor of Lima, Rafael Lopez Aliaga, we have an individual who's been successful business, has positioned himself as a populist with a strong economic message. But when you peel back the layers here, you see that that economic message is built on Chinese ties. He founded and it was entreprene founding a very impressive rail company. That rail company has blossomed, has grown its revenues, but those revenues are tied pretty directly to tens of millions of dollars of freight that are moving out of a Chinese state owned mine in Peru. So we have an individual here who has been successful politically, has a compelling message, but deserves some scrutiny. Because when you peel back, you see that it all traces back to Beijing. And this is not an uncommon playbook as you suggested. This is the same subnational playbook they they use to capitalize on ties with elites in America and all over the world. So we see it happening right now at this subnational level where it's a mayor in Peru who has control of a political party and is positioned to potentially run for president of the country. So he's looking to move up and graduate from being in charge of Lima to being in charge of the entire country. And that carries with it tremendous risk, as we're seeing with the strategic infrastructure investments are placing. But if you were to take what they've achieved in Lima and escalate it to the national, national level, that increases the risk for what we have going on in Latin America and for the success that the Chinese Communists will take and learn from as they update the use of this playbook all the way into the United States.

[Natalie Winters]

And Secretary Hegseth, I think, had a very large win. I'm not surprised that Western media didn't really report on it. But when they were in Panama, they actually got Panama to essentially renege on their Belt and Road commitments. I think they're the first country ever to leave China's Belt and Road. Of course, their plan for sort of global hegemony through these, you know, very shady, very subversive infrastructure deals. I think probably people are most familiar with what they're doing in Africa. But I'm curious if you think that this is sort of reactionary to that, compounded with what the State Department has done, talking about how they sort of want to reengage in the Western hemisphere sphere throughout Latin America to counter Chinese influence, saying that, hey, you know, Xi, you guys got to stay out. This is more our domain certainly than, than it is yours, or what you sort of think is the impetus behind their desire to go after co opting Peru.

[Nate Picarsik]

Yeah, I think, I think you nailed it. I think they see that we're starting to push back. I think the administration has had some success and progress, but we're also seeing that I think the Chinese are a couple steps ahead of us, and we're realizing that in real time. So when we make progress, it's at Panama. We see that, oh, wow, they're opening a new port in Peru that is a megaport itself and, you know, could be a way to further offset any efforts that we make. So they're underscoring that they are steps ahead of us. Xi Jinping travels to the region. He engages economically. They also engage in a very robust way, socially and culturally, and they find willing and able audiences, and they capture elites like the mayor of Lima. So we know the playbook. We've had some progress pushing back, but I think to the extent that this is early innings, we're behind and we need to be catching up. And the problem is that they're doing this all over, so it's spreading us thin and they're on the offensive. We need to get to the point where we're putting them on their back foot. And I think places like Peru, where the problem has not gotten entirely out of hand, they're at a subnational level where we should and can compete, and we need to get in the game and start pushing back.

[Natalie Winters]

If I'm not mistaken, it was Peru, where there's also some weird, like, shady visa cutout that allow a lot of Chinese nationals to end up in the United States. I might be mistaken, but I'm probably not. Last question before I let you go. Bringing this sort of back home to the United States, do you see a similarity in a lot of these tactics and how broadly do you think you can sort of replicate what they're doing in Peru across really all countries?

[Nate Picarsik]

Yeah, they're looking to capture elites. They start with money and direct investment. They layer on and bundle additional services, strategic cultural engagement. But they're very shrewd. They have a moneyball approach to know the things that they really want and to throw resources on them. But they're doing it early. And often in places like Peru, they're capturing a mayor who's positioned to run for president. That's not a minor accomplishment for the Chinese playbook. But as you suggested, we can see it here in the United States the same way you can go to Patascala, Ohio, and you see it happening in renewable energy investments. You can go down the street from me in Aliquippa, Pennsylvania, and you can find it in a steel mill. They're investing, they're bringing their dollars, but they're also then capturing the leads to guarantee that they can lock in that influence.

[Natalie Winters]

Nate, if people want to get the article, stay up to date with your, I think wonderful reporting because it's not past tense. Right. It's something we can still fix. This is a clear individual, a guy, a mayor who should not become president, someone that hopefully our audience will get engaged with. Where can they go to follow you? Stay up to date with everything you're working on.

[Nate Picarsik]

Yeah, really pleased to have this piece published by the folks at Real Clear Defense so can read about it there and then affiliated with the foundation for Defensive Democracies. That captures a lot of my analysis and hopeful to continue to stay ahead of where the Chinese Communists are and to help the Americans win.

[Natalie Winters]

Thank you sir for joining us.

[Nate Picarsik]

Thanks so much, Natalie.

[Natalie Winters]

We're going to be joined by Colonel John Mills after the break. But you guys know we are all about PRC infiltration. I think that's where I got my start on this show, the first hit I ever did. And for those of you who are saying, oh, perhaps some of us are changing our tune on Elon, I don't think I ever had the pom poms out. He was always kind enough to share my work, though he unfollowed and stopped sharing my work when I started criticizing the Chinese Communist Party again. And for what it's worth, I think my first article that I ever did on Elon Musk was probably all the way back in 2022 where I was raising the red flags about his ties, I guess red flags with a yellow hammer and sickle to the Chinese Communist Party in terms of not just market capture, audience capture. Right. He won't dare to criticize Xi. I think he once described the United States and America as conjoined twins, but also has been around a bunch of Chinese state run conferences and events and flattered the PRC and is in business with a lot of state owned enterprises. And as we know, PRC influence is I think can aptly be described as radioactive and toxic. Once you go ccp, you don't go back. And I guess if Peru chooses to go down the road, the ccp, they will not come back either. So hopefully we get all over that. Colonel John Mills, speaking of other countries where the PRC is expanding influence, the latest in South Korea and of course the United States. The weird guess, agricultural terrorism is now a thing. At least if the PRC has its way. We'll be right back after this short break.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Natalie Winters]

Welcome back to the War room where of course you got to be checking out our wonderful sponsor, that is birchgold.com Bannon texting Bannon to 989898 I think with all the, shall we say, turbulence with a capital T, maybe that's all capsule and bold we've got going on right now. Gold has always been a hedge. So make sure you're checking out birchgold.com/bannon. We are joined now by the one and only Colonel John Mills, who I don't think you have charts for us. That's okay. You know. You know I love my charts. Next time, next time. If you have any thoughts on the segment. I just did. Feel free to let that rip. But I think we would love an update on what has been transpiring in South Carolina, Korea, post election or.

[Colonel John Mills]

Thank you. Thank you, Natalie. I do have some pictures. I don't. But I'm sorry, I, I will make up for. I will personalize some charts for you next time. But we just came back. Our election monitoring team. We, we, we went over there. We wanted to give hope. We wanted to help rally the South Koreans. We want to observe the election and we wanted to deter foreign influence and it was an absolute bum rush of a massive Chinese operation to stuff the ballot box, especially Thursday, Friday of the preceding week. The actual day of election was the third. But it was absolute chaos at the early voting. You could go to any voting center. Didn't really have to have id, so they stole it. But let's look. Yeah, here are the pictures here. Look at this. They had the inauguration today. They're 13 hours ahead of east coast time. Look at this massive crowd in front of the National Assembly.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Look at that.

[Colonel John Mills]

Really. Now let's zoom back a little bit to put proper context to this picture. This was the inauguration today. Lee, who essentially. Lee Jae Myung, who essentially campaigned like Biden. Oh, look at that crowd. Look at that really big crowd. They only get that crowded look when Getty rushes up right to the platform. So literally, that was the size of the crowd for the inauguration of Lee. And this guy won the election. Mr. 81 million vote Lee. No, I'm just taking that from our. The 2020 scam. This. This whole thing was an absolute bum rush of. There's three distinct groups here. China, who actually flew in a lot of personnel to conduct the election. This was just crazy globalists who have put this association of World El Election Bodies in South Korea kind of an adjunct of the un but this is part of the international election cartel. And then US Dems. Well, who was there three weeks before the election? Clinton. All you saw were him, a few shots of him and his lecherous grin as he was wandering around South Korea for some reason, unexplained reason. But these three groups really led by China and the Chinese Communist Party through this election. Let's show that third picture for the elections. Yeah, this is the association of World Economic Bodies, which was shut down by President Yoon during the very brief martial law. Now it's shut down, but this is their front door. This is their executive office. It kind of looks like, if you look inside, it kind of looks like the shipping clerk's office on the loading dock at Dunder Mifflin. Very unimpressive. But this body is. This is a core part of the international election cartel that's throwing elections and making sure populists don't win. Oh, by the way, they received a lot of US Aid money as long, as well as the National Election Commission, which gives great entree to investigation, Federal law enforcement, federal intelligence, and congressional inquiries. What.

[Nate Picarsik]

What.

[Colonel John Mills]

What were they doing with the US Aid money they received? So it is a very serious matter. Now that Lee has been inaugurated. He is using the term insurrection Insurrectionist. He is borrowing this straight from the Democrat playbook. So the Democrats in America are absolutely counseling and coaching the Democrats in South Korea. There is a challenge. I mean, there's literally thousands of people he has. There's a list he has created that he is looking to start rounding up. One of the places that we visited, after we visited was received a visit from the Federal police in South Korea. So they have already started the intimidation. Very serious matter. So, Natalie, we have got to get a US Ambassador. Right now it's an acting ambassador, and the acting US Ambassador is clearly enabling the South Korean Democrats who really stole this election. We're coming out with a full report next week and also a long list of those groups and individuals who need to be protected. This is a very serious matter. He is the insurrection is. The penalty for debt is death in South Korea. And Lee is a hardcore communist who wants America out. So we need to really get a US Ambassador and action oriented staff in there as fast as possible. Very concerning here, Natalie.

[Natalie Winters]

It sounds like what you're describing is eerily similar to, I think, what we experienced here in the United States. So I guess I'm curious, sort of just from a meta perspective, chronologically, is this, you know, we say no conspiracies but no coincidences here in the war room? Is this something where it is, you know, a textbook, a pattern of behavior that you think is being repeated country by country, especially those where they have a lot of, you know, vested strategic interests? Or is this, you know, the PRC escalating their influence campaigns almost becoming more sort of, in a way, indirectly kinetic? You know, is it more election warfare, ballot warfare? How do you see this in sort of their evolving frame under the concept of unrestricted warfare?

[Colonel John Mills]

Oh, absolutely. And they've been working on this. The Chinese have been working on this for 30 years. As our people will say, well, we have 28,000 troops in South Korea.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's.

[Colonel John Mills]

This is impossible. Just because we have troops and an intelligence footprint and a diplomatic footprint doesn't mean we know what's going on. The South Korean Dems have very successfully compartmentalized our footprint over there out of the picture. So we actually need to re engage in a much better, stronger way. While we were focusing on Taiwan, they just collapsed our right flank, their left flank of the first island chain. You got to look at South Korea peninsula as the right flank of our first island chain. And this has been 30 years in planning and we missed it. Our top people were asleep during their tours in South Korea. So again, we need to get that acting ambassador. Need to fire him. He can fire foreign service officers. I'm surprised we haven't fired more foreign service officers. They're not like straight civil servants you could fire them on just like that. And so we need to get rid of that, that guy who's over there and put an action oriented ambassador in place. I was there with Ambassador Morris Tan. He would be a great, great choice. Or Gordon Chang. Need to get him over there and then an action oriented staff. Yeah, this is absolutely. But it's been enabled by these globalists who using this election body. It's funny, once they kind of got taken down, there was a populist win in Ghana, populist win in Poland. They were able to pull it off just because there was so many citizen reports of Chinese operating the polling, the early voting stations. It was ridiculous, brazen. They weren't even trying to hide it.

[Natalie Winters]

Colonel Mills, we always love the insight you bring to the war room. In the meantime, before we have you back, if people want to stay up to date with everything you're working on, all things South Korea, China, you name it, where they go to do that.

[Colonel John Mills]

Thank you so much, Natalie. So Colonel Rhett John. Colonel Rit John on X Colonel or excuse me, Colonel Rhett John 2 on X. Colonel Rhett John 2 on X. Colonel Rhett John on substack. Colonel Rhett John substack getter and truth. And then on the 23rd of June, I'm going to be giving an hour long presentation of the Institute for World Politics of the World on fire. And this is the worldwide Arson campaign. And we are a world at war. Just many people realize it.

[Natalie Winters]

Many forms of war, unrestricted people's non kinetic information, biological, psychological information, legal. Take your pick. The CCP certainly has. Colonel Mills, thank you so much for joining us.

[Colonel John Mills]

Thank you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Natalie.

[Natalie Winters]

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[Caroline Wren]

Yeah. So two days ago now, Mark Caputo came out with a story that kind of laid out the different things that had set Elon Musk off that led to this kind of meltdown that we've seen yesterday. And one of those things that it was that stood out to me was this guy, Jared Isaacman, and I never really heard much about him, someone that Trump had nominated to be the NASA administrator, but it was sort of the first time I'd ever seen any reporting and about this individual. And that this was really, I heard from others that this was the real reason why Elon Musk had melted down. And so I just, I think there's a lot of really interesting information coming out about this guy. And there's a lot of factions, different camps, but this guy was definitely being pushed by all the different tech bros. Elon Musk stood to gain a lot, let's just say, from this nomination. And so when we come back and do my epic rant, I'm going to lay out for you exactly why I think that I've uncovered. Elon Musk had the level of meltdown that he did when this nomination was rightfully polled by Donald Trump.

[Natalie Winters]

I don't even think I need to be here. I think you should take my job. That was a perfect tease. Now I just got to fill 48 seconds. Warren posse. Hang with us through the break. Caroline, hang with us through the break. And in the meantime, make sure you're checking out birchgold.com Bannon texting Bannon to 989-898. You can get a free copy of the Ultimate Guide for Gold in the Trump Era. You know, we love the Birch Gold guys. Very grateful that they sponsor the show. Times are certainly turbulent. I endorse everything Steve has been saying about what, what Caroline was just getting into. But as I believe I was quoted in the Washington Post, all the journalists descended on MAGA world last night looking for quotes. Desperate, I said, well, I'll let the men take this one. I'll let them duke it out. We'll be right back after the short break.

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[Natalie Winters]

You're back in the war room where we of course know, especially from Trump 1, that personnel is policy. And because this movement has become so powerful, all the tech bros want to be you and be with you. Instead of subverting the Trump administration like his, I would say, detractors and saboteurs did in the first term by sort of explicitly, I think, going behind his back, trying to upend a lot of the administration's goals, particularly on the border. Now they're sort of pretending, playing footsie with us like they are one of us. But unfortunately we have what we call the receipts. And if you're donating to Democrat candidates up until, you know, the clock strikes midnight and President Trump has, as president, you're not exactly, I would say, America first. I'd probably put you in the America last and grifter category. But that's just me though. I think Caroline Wren probably concurs with that sentiment. Caroline, hit us with the latest. Your scoop, shall we say, piecing together all things what you think may be set off this feud?

[Caroline Wren]

Yeah. So I just, I didn't really buy, I'm like, is this all, really all for you on about the ev credits? No. What I really think this was about was this guy, Jared Isaacman. So who is Jared Isaacman? The man that caused Elon to truly have an epic meltdown and turn on President Trump this week. Well, in December, Jared Isaac man was nominated by President Trump to serve as the administrator of NASA despite having zero qualifications to lead a federal agency and zero knowledge of public policy. So why was Isaac man picked for this? He was picked because Elon Musk wanted him at NASA so he could be a money printer and puppet for SpaceX despite having multiple glaring conflicts of interest. You see, Jared is a fellow billionaire and founder of a payment processing firm called Shift for Payments. In a letter to his company announcing that his nomination, his nomination as the NASA administrator, Jared said that he did not plan to divest from Shift four once confirmed. Well, why would this be a conflict of interest? Because in 2020, Isaacman took Shift 4 public and began processing payments for none other than SpaceX's Starlink. But Isaac man is not just a customer of Space X. His company has millions and millions of dollars in Space X stock which he bought in 2021. Yes, this is the same company he said he would not divest from once confirmed as the head of NASA. And Isaac, Isaac man has said openly and on numerous occasions that NASA should cancel all non Space X contracts. Huh. I wonder why that would be. This nomination, frankly, reeked of corruption from the beginning. And Jared is no stranger to corruption, by the way. In 2010 he was arrested on fraud charges and faced multiple lawsuits in multiple states for writing over $2 million in bad checks to casinos. And no, this is not the script of Catch Me if youf Can. Like, Jared Isaacman is basically a modern day Frank Abagnale. And thank God, really, his nomination was polled. And if this all was not bad enough, we have not even gotten into his political donations. So Jared and his wife Monica are massive Democrat donors. They've given hundreds of thousands of dollars over the past 10 years, almost exclusively to Democrats including Chuck Schumer, Bob Casey, John Tester, Alissa Slotkin and Mark Kelly. And before you come at me and say, oh well, Donald Trump gave the Democrats. Guys, this is not the same. Jared and Monica maxed out to almost every Senate Democrat campaign in 2024. They maxed out to the Senate, the Democrats Senatorial campaign committee. You have Elon Musk out here saying if it weren't for me and my donations, the Republicans would only have a 5149 Senate this time. Meanwhile, you have this guy Jared out there donating to every Senate Democrat candidate that Elon Musk claims that he beat down. So you know these tech bros, it is just they're trying to claim now that, oh well, Jared actually gave to Republicans and Democrats because he gave $2 million to Trump's inauguration after the election. I'm sorry, but that is nothing more than trying to purchase your job at NASA post the election. It does not wipe away your decades of exclusive Democrat donations. So please, give me a break. I mean, can you imagine? Can you actually point to anyone in the Biden administration that donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican senators like Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Tommy Tuberville, Josh Hawley? No, that's not a thing that would exist. So thank God this information was brought to President Trump's attention. Thank God Jared Isaacson's nomination was polled. Thank God for the PPO and presidential personnel for finding out this information. And I really hope right now that we take a hard look at every single name that Elon Musk put up for nomination into this administration.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, and I also think it's beyond donations, too. Right? Like, that's sort of a myopic frame for them to be pushing back the idea that, oh, well, maybe we did once donate to Republicans. I mean, this audience has been through hell and back 10 times over defending President Trump. And I think anybody who watches this show, when you describe someone as maga, it's not that you're Republican, it's that you understand what is going on at the border. You think the, you know, great replacement is real. You think that what they're doing to destroy this country is intentional. Right. There's layers to this. And the fact that they think that, oh, well, one time I donated to some establishment Republican, that that somehow absolves them of being a Democrat donor. I don't know about you. I think both you and I are pretty maga. I've never given one penny to a Democrat candidate. I can't think of one that exists that I would ever give money to. Particularly because I believe in something called a secure border, not a party that believes comprehensively and unanimously in an open border. So I would say defend that, Jared. Or maybe the border is just not all that important to you and you're a single issue voter. I don't know what that issue is. Maybe get space. But here in the MAGA movement, we care about some other things too. But I think that I'm sure the audience sort of shares my rage in this because the only logical conclusion to stuff like this is that they think this movement, they think this audience, they think this show, they think that we're dumb and they think that they can pull a fast one over us. And I think stuff like this is very Insulting to the intelligence of arguably one of the most intelligent and well informed political movements in the history of this country and perhaps the world. So I'm just curious your thoughts, someone who's sort of been on the donor fundraising side of things. You've been around a lot of these people. What is the mindset that you think that is propelling a lot of these people to even get engaged in politics to try to do all this in the first place? Why aren't they just having their 14 surrogate children and peace and out and having fun with their billions of dollars?

[Caroline Wren]

Well, you know, I've been a fundraiser all my career, and so I've watched and studied how and why donors give the money that they do. What was most interesting to me about Jared's donations is he lives in Pennsylvania. I just rattled off a ton of senators that don't live in Pennsylvania. I'll give people a pass. If a lot of people just, they, they are not really. They're not Republican or Democrat. They may like their representation or they give for business reasons. That is what I see here glaring in front of me. This guy gave to every single Senate Democrat. Why? Because he thought that Democrats were going to be in power. And so he wanted to donate and sprinkle around money. This was again last year. He was thinking, Donald Trump's going to lose, that the Democrats are going to take the presidency, the House and the Senate. And so I better shell out all of these donations and have my wife do the same so that our company will be in a good place, so that I could probably go in as the NASA administrator. I don't think that this guy cared one bit if Donald Trump or Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or any of these people were in. He wanted to go in there to make money for his company and his stockholders and for Elon Musk. And I think it's abhorrent that he would even get to this place. And so when you just follow the money and look at this, I didn't even include that he gave, I think, $20,000 to Josh Shapiro, the governor there in Pennsylvania. For him. We were facing an existential crisis in this nation. Just six months ago, if Donald Trump had not won, I shudder to even think about what our country will be facing right now. That was where my mindset was. That's where the war room posse's head was. Natalie, I know that's where your head was. Well, this guy's head was at Alyssa Slotkin and Chuck Schumer's fundraisers. So I know some people are coming at me saying, oh, Caroline, he was definitely qualified for this, though. I'm sorry, but I fail to understand how I could think someone has a strong judgment when they are writing checks to the likes of Chuck Schumer and Mark Kelly and these others. So I don't buy it for one second. He hedged his bet. He hedged his bet incorrectly. He bought his way into the Trump administration with a $2 million bribe to the inaugural fund. And thank God this guy is gone.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, I mean, I'm sure you hear it all the time, too. It's something that I've been hearing a lot more in DC as I am out, you know, amidst the tech bro crowd they're running around here. But I'm always told, you know, off the record, I'm not going to dox anyone, but, you know, oh, well, the CEO of this company. Oh, well, this guy who, yeah, publicly is, you know, woke and donates to Democrats and believes this set of values in private, their values are actually really conservative. They support the deportations. You know, we're all on the same page. We're super maga. And even if that's true, which I know I might be 24, I'm not that dumb. You know, we're not a cheap date here in MAGA world, you gotta, you know, give us the goods. But the idea that if you actually believed that and you saw the precipice that this country was on and is still in with everything that Joe Biden did, and that you think that you could still sit idly by as a CEO of a, you know, company that could transform the direction of this country, and you think that it's okay to still sit with your hands, you know, under your butt and not do anything. Or I guess in this case it's not even just continue, continue the status quo, actively aid and abet the Democratic Party, that's not true. You're not maga. Right. Those are two mutually exclusive worldviews. And we've only got a few minutes. But where I started all of this, the idea that by allowing these people to co opt the MAGA movement, do a brain transplant, we're essentially ending up at square one again. Except we've maybe replaced the CO and the Jeb Bushes of the world, not necessarily with the ketamine, but with the tech bro crowd, with the more transhumanist tech oligarch group. Am I not wrong?

[Caroline Wren]

You are. But I will give the audience and you some hope here. And the hope is that I was very Upset. And I talked about this this morning on the show when Zuckerberg and Tim Cook and these others gave a million dollars to Trump's inauguration and got front row search seats. And I'm thinking, man, here we go again. We're just letting all these people come in, they're buying their way in and we're gonna have another Trump Admin 1.0 where these turncoats get into the administration. Well, I'm not seeing that this time. Yes, some of them have been making their way through and getting positions and some of these tech bros, but President Trump has been holding so firm and so strong. I mean, look no further than what just happened with Elon. Elon gave $288 million and he wanted a few different things. He wanted a NASA administrator, he wanted EV credits for Tesla. And Donald Trump said, no, I'm not going to give it to you. Tim Cook, you know, gave a million dollars, has been coming around funding different projects for Donald Trump and guess what? The DOJ is still going after them for antitrust laws. Both Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook and these different tech companies all put up pretty, I would say, anti competition folks for the FTC for different DOJ roles. They were all batted down. So this is the beauty of Donald Trump. This is why I love and trust him and I'm so excited about this administration is he is untethered and untied to the money. Yes, he certainly appreciates the donations and the passionate support, but it is the grassroots donors that fueled this movement starting from the moment he came down the elevator. And it is the grassroots that are going to be with him until the very last day of this administration. Hopefully this administration goes on through 2028 and beyond. But I am just, I'm so thrilled that Donald Trump has not caved whatsoever to these folks yet. Yes, they're around, but it takes reporters like you, Natalie and others to be catching this stuff and calling it out. Donald Trump is only one man. He is literally has the world on his shoulders right now. So it is so important that we speak up. Even if it is against the Trump administration or things that we see going wrong. We need to be vocal. Because when it makes its way actually to Donald Trump's ears, which is what happened with Jared, I believe it was Thursday, right before President Trump was about to go out to give a speech in the Oval Office, someone handed him a binder that listed off the different donations he had made. And so President Trump rightfully made the decision and said, what the heck? Why am I putting up this guy. He literally funded every single candidate that tried to impeach me, that tried to put me in jail that is holding up every one of my numbers nominees. And so I'm not nominating this guy. He's out. Then Elon Musk had his pathetic, pathetic meltdown and here we are.

[Natalie Winters]

Tell you what, tech bros, if you guys want to prove you're so pro Trump, why don't you donate right now to, to Trump 2028? Then maybe, maybe we'll believe you. Probably not. Caroline, run. If people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you've got going on. The rants, all of it. Where can they go to do is.

[Caroline Wren]

At Caroline Wren on Twitter, getter and Truth Social.

[Natalie Winters]

Thank you ma' am for joining us. We will certainly have you back on soon. Warren Posse. Don't go anywhere. We got a special video for you. I like my idea. You guys want to prove how hardcore Trump you are? Well, then donate. Put 100 million behind Trump 2028. Not that we want your your money necessarily anymore. We'll see on the other side of the road.

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[Natalie Winters]

Welcome back to the War Room where of course you got to be checking out Patriot mobile. That's patriot mobile.com Bannon or you can call 972 Patriot for a free month of service. A company that I think can only best be described as very, very America First. That's the only kind of sponsors we would accept here in the War Room. But, but I think Caroline Wren makes a fantastic point. If you look at a lot of the selections from the Trump administration, I think one vector vertical we've seen a lot of good stuff coming from is of course FCC Chairman Brendan Carr. Everything we've got going on over there. And I'm sure let's juxtapose that with what the Biden regime did. I think there was a lot of reporting on what they did in some of their final days when it came to sort of the feeding frenzy, right. Of your tax, tax dollars being given to far left NGOs, those that were involved with what was going on on the southern border, the lawfare against President Trump. But I really think that's probably the four year legacy of what the Biden regime did when it came to who they were selectively giving out contracts to. And I think that this issue we can put the article up on screen. FCC chief Brendan Carr is investigating. Now of course they've been doing a lot of wonderful stuff on censorship, but how a lot of these failed 5G build out promises, particularly in rural America, where I think the War Room Posse probably proudly, heavily resides, never really materialized. The Biden regime sort of gave him a sweetheart deal, allowed them to overlook their repeated failures despite. Well, I guess because of the fact that the guy, Charles Ergen, who was behind EchoStar, was a massive Democratic donor, I think probably on par with who we're just talking about, you know, several million dollars to Democrats. Hillary Clinton, all the people hired Democrat lobbyists with deep ties to Obama, but they were given this sort of special treatment by Joe Biden. And now we see the FCC working retroactively to really go in there, get in there and turn it over. I think this is one of the key provisions in the big beautiful bill since they're going to be, you know, putting up more Spectrum for auction. The stuff that this company essentially failed on. Again, the Trump administration, I think, has a proven track record of being able to reverse wrongs under Joe Biden. And I think this is sort of another perfect example of them doing just that because cronyism, giving contracts to Democrat donors just because they're Democrat. Certainly not the right thing to be doing in any capacity. Will definitely be. I think this. I, look, I, I'm going to go long, take the long odds on the Trump Elon feud. I think there will be a lot more developments probably over this weekend on it. But just like I was talking about, like we focused on, really throughout this entire show, 5G, 6G. All that stuff being, of course, a domain that the PRC is seeking to really dominate. We need to have our best people forward and we need to not be distracted, frankly, by people who are, you know, probably controlled opposition by the Chinese Communist Party, but agree to disagree. But I think most people in the Trump administration, I certainly know the people my age who are working in the lower levels. The people you don't hear their names are wonderful, committed MAGA patriots. So I think Caroline Runs leaves us on, on a wonderful note to go into the weekend. I know we have no days off in the war room. Dave Brattle be hosting the six, so make sure you stick around for that. He has a wonderful show planned. I think they're gonna get to China. And something tells me Judeo Christian values, because it wouldn't be a Dave Brat show without that. Thank you guys for hanging with me. I hope you guys have a wonderful weekend. We have a special tribute to Bernie Kerik.

[Colonel John Mills]

Former NYPD Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik is dead. He passed away Thursday at New York's Prison Presbyterian Hospital, surrounded by family and friends.

[Mike Lindell]

A new era begins for the New York City Police Department as Mayor Giuliani passes on the golden badge to a new top cop.

[Colonel John Mills]

Today, Mayor Giuliani said he was simply overqualified for the job, citing the fact that he is a former police detective and a proven administrator.

[Bernie Kerik]

He brings a quality of leadership that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I believe can give us the opportunity to Build on a record that is a very, very difficult one to match.

[Colonel John Mills]

Congratulations.

[Bernie Kerik]

This is something I never dreamed of, I never thought would happen.

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So important for Bernie Kerik, but it's also about the aspect of remembrance, the Christian faith, Catholicism. What ties us together as Christians, what ties us together in the Judeo Christian. The remains of Bernie Kerrick, our dear friend, have arrived with the honor guard.

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Bernie Giuliani and Bernie Kerik are historic figures for all of New Yorkers. These events where the community gets together to honor people.

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He was a colleague and a friend, but also a major part of the MAGA movement and a major part of the history of just not New York City, but the entire country given the 911 attack.

[Colonel John Mills]

Kerik was known as American following the 911 terror attacks.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Bernie Kerrick is one of the most accomplished and effective leaders of law enforcement in America. As police commissioner. On September 11, 2001, Bernie Kerrick arrived at the World Trade Center. Minutes after the first plane hit.

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There isn't a day that has passed since the morning of September 11th that I haven't thought of the sacrifices of those heroes and the losses we all suffered. I promise you, Mr. President, that both the memory of those courageous souls and the horrors I saw inflicted upon our proud nation will serve as permanent reminders of the awesome responsibility you place in my charge.

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