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Episode 4574: Speedrunning The Iraq War Propaganda Train; Investigate Fox News
Episode 4574: Speedrunning The Iraq War Propaganda Train; Investigate Fox News ...
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Craig
Operating off of far more facts than we are. So at the end of the day, as Craig said, we elected them, we gotta trust them.
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Bibi Netanyahu
Right?
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Craig
But the immediate issue is Ferdow. I mean, that's just it. So you don't have to go all the way. People talk about regime change, everything else, you just gotta mitigate the immediate issue. If you do that and take, like I said, take the deal off the table, if you get rid of the immediate threat, well then you bought some time. Now ultimately, regime change is where this thing has to devolve to. At the end of the day, whether you like it or not, you have an adversary who cannot exist without that bomb. The mullahs cannot list long term without that bomb. They learn the lessons of Gaddafi. We need this thing. They're going to keep trying. That's just all there is to it. So you got this adversary, they say they want to kill you. They're trying to get the bomb at the end of the day, at some point they got to go. But you don't need that right now. You just got to mitigate the immediate problem, which is fertile. What I think he's doing is, and that's why I think you can see this two week window. The last thing he wants is any American blood here. And right now the Iranians still do have some offensive capacity. They do have the ability to fire missiles, maybe hit some American assets. And in many ways, almost worst, almost worst is hitting some of our adversaries, excuse me, some of our allies. You get some dead Europeans and et cetera, in some place inside the red zone in Iraq, we got an international megillah. That's the last thing he wants. I think he's buying time waiting till they are out of that capacity. And then my own opinion, I think that's when he moves the. And then ultimately, long term, if you notice, we hit their internal security. That's the besieged, that's the one who keep their people down. The Israelis took that out yesterday. They're also now hacking the media and saying, rise up, rise up. Unlike what we saw during the Green revolution, I think long term, that's the second stage. But the first stage is fertile. And from where I sit, you gotta mitigate that.
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Bibi Netanyahu
Well, I'm surprised you missed the line that Bibi stole from George W. Bush in his 2003 speech to a joint session of Congress. We must not allow the world's most dangerous regime to acquire the world's most dangerous weapons. Bibi just takes the same sheet of music out anytime he needs it. For whatever country he happens to be angry at at the moment. And he's particularly concerned with Iran because it's the last one. He will have a clean sweep of the Levant, a clean, clean sweep of all those who might oppose him in some way in Southwest Asia if Iran goes. And he can't do it by himself. In fact, I got videos this morning smuggled out of Israel showing me that Israel is being pummeled right now, pummeled in ways that Bibi Netanyahu probably never envisioned and certainly the Israeli citizens of Israel didn't envision. So he's in a trick bag right now, and I think it's only going to deepen and get worse. So he needs the United States, desperately needs them, if he's going to complete this mission, which is almost messianic with him, to destroy this final regime in Southwest Asia called Iran.
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Sarah
Yes, Sarah, these changes really do show how the US Military is making sure that it's not only ready to carry out military strikes against Iran if Donald Trump ultimately does decide to give that order, but preparing for the possibility of what would come after that should, you know, those strikes come to fruition. And we're told that military assets in the Middle east, across the region and have been moved in anticipation of potential Iranian retaliation. Should Donald Trump ultimately give that go order? Obviously, we know that Donald Trump has said that he's going to make a decision on that move in the next two weeks, but the military is not waiting on the decision to making sure that it protects and takes steps to protect its assets across the Middle East. That includes moving airplanes that it can't protect in a shelter at its military base in Qatar. They've moved those planes to a different location. They've also moved naval assets from its base in Bahrain, which is also obviously in the relative proximity of certain Iranian proxy forces that we know have the capability of launching drones and and ballistic missiles at US forces. You may remember in January 2024, an Iranian proxy group killed three US service members at a US base on the border of Syria and Iraq. So that threat is very real. And these changes reflect how seriously the Pentagon is taking Iran's threat to target US Forces if Donald Trump does strike Iranian nuclear sites.
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Bibi Netanyahu
We saw how difficult Iraq became, and we never really did conquer Iraq in the sense that we won over the people. Iran is going to be 10 or 15 times more difficult. They are far more capable than Iraq was, militarily speaking. And they have not been attributed to the point where I would say they were weakened severely. So if you want assurance that you're going to eliminate a nuclear program that is so underground that even these B2 bunker monsters aren't going to do anything. Think Al Ansar and the Houthis if you will. Not going to do a thing except rattle the rocks a little bit. If you want to assure that they do not have a program, you're going to have to invade and go rooted out Lemon Branch. And that's going to require 10 years. A battle with 90,000 people, all of whom will be steeled against you. I've war planned for the Zagros Mountains and those tough terrains in Iraq. We were contemplating having to stop the Soviets in 1979 when they first went into Afghanistan. And we thought they might make a run down to Chabarhar and Bandar Abbas. Something the Russian empire, Soviet empire too had always wanted a warm water port in the Gulf. Those are very difficult mountains to fight in. Extremely difficult mountains to fight in. You want a really long war that will cost two or three trillion dollars, cost a lot of casualties on both sides and not give you much more of a result than we got in Iraq. Try Iran.
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is a huge strategic opportunity here that we haven't had in 45 years. We're talking about removing and ending Iran as being the number one adversary that has dominated the region in terms of instability. They've been at this for 45 years. And as you pointed out to our audience here, the history of killing Americans during that time frame is very significant. But their overall behavior, so as a result of diminishing this regime, taking away its nuclear capability, taking away much of its military capability, weakening it politically, isolating it for the first time, as we mentioned in the last hour. I mean, the proxies aren't helping them, right?
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Jack Posobic
I mean their allies aren't helping them.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And China and Russia are not helping them. And they expected, they funded Hezbollah, billions of dollars for one reason only. Yes, to do state sponsored terrorism. And they were the best at it in the business. But number two, and the primary reason was to defend Iran in the event of a war with Israel. And they haven't fired a shot. They lost the political will. So what that presents to us is, is our contribution here to end this. After all, this is Israel's war, right? And we're going to help end it and end the domination of the Iranian regime. That is, that is a paradigm shift that will reset the Middle east for years to come. And it will likely be a catalyst for what we want to see, which is normalization of the other Countries in the region with Israel, the so called Abraham Accords that will put us on a pathway for what is a crippled.
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Shawn Davis
Iranian government look like? It's what comes next if a crippled Iranian government falls. And as you talk to politicians in D.C. as I have, especially in the MAGA universe, that's their big concern. It's not that we can't get involved militarily with a pinpoint strike or even something more robust than that. It's what happens if that government falls and how much are we then invested in propping up a new government? Because that's the quagmire that happened in Iraq. It wasn't necessarily primarily the three weeks of the military intervention.
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Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson
It was what we tried to build after the fact.
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Shawn Davis
So can you explain a little bit what might happen domestically in Iran if this government were to fall?
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Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson
So a chaotic post war Iran would be a threat of its own. And you're right, the idea of the United States with its allies attempting nation building in that country from outside is crazy. I've been to Iran twice and I've seen the passion that Iranians that you meet have for a different kind of country. This clerical regime is not popular with people. So if that regime is crushed, if some kind of peace agreement is done in a way that gives more pragmatist elements in Iran more power, I mean, let's remember the entire IRGC military leadership has been wiped out, right?
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Shawn Davis
So.
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Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson
So if pragmatists, if the people who want a different country have more power and then take action, you'd have a more hopeful scenario. But no one should think that you can easily build on the rubble a country that's going to be stabilizing. It would be nice to think, we think back to the absolute chaos that began Oct. 7, the terrible loss of life across the region. It would be nice to think of that cycle coming to an end with a process of rebuilding across the region. I mean, that's a pipe dream maybe. But you know, if people are going to try to think big, that's the way they should think. And they should enlist people in Iran, Palestinians in Gaza and the west bank who have that belief in a different kind of region and will work hard. It'll take many years, but that's something worth all the misery that's come.
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Shawn Davis
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
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Kayleigh McEnany
Pray for our enemies because we're going.
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Shawn Davis
Medieval on these people. Christians, I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything.
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Kayleigh McEnany
In the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
- [10:26]
Shawn Davis
It's going to happen.
- [10:28]
Jack Posobic
And where do people like that go.
- [10:29]
Shawn Davis
To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
- [10:38]
Kayleigh McEnany
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
- [10:42]
Shawn Davis
If that answer is to save my.
- [10:44]
Kayleigh McEnany
Country, this country will be saved.
- [10:48]
Stephen K. Bannon
WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
- [10:57]
Shawn Davis
It's Friday the 20th of June, year of alert 2025. I start off today with two hitters, Jack Posovic and Shawn Davis. SHAWN davis, FOUNDER OF the Federalist Sean, we did a longer, little bit longer cold open this morning because we wanted the audience's head to blow up to start start the show. Your assessment of where we are now that you've heard all the talking heads and propagandists overnight dealing with President Trump saying, hey, we're going to take a deep breath here and think this thing through, sir.
- [11:24]
David Drucker
Yeah, I was starting to get a little mad at all those clips because I thought, dang, I'm just getting dumber listening to this nonsense. But where we are now, it seems like everything's still super fluid. It feels to me as though the fever has broken a little bit. I'd say midweek the war drums were being banged so loudly and people were getting so hysterical that it felt like the whole thing might fall apart any second. Thankfully, we have a president who's been through this stuff before. He's seen all the nonsense that was done with foreign policy in the early 2000s. I think he's patient. I think he would much rather talk than bomb or go to war. And so I think right now we're in a critical period where the president to me seems as though he wants to get a deal done. He wants something that doesn't require yet another war in the Middle East. And yet on the other side, I think we're going to have people and entities who are going to spend the next two weeks doing nothing but trying to blow up the possibility of any deal.
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Shawn Davis
Let me ask you about because this is what's most disturbing. President Trump is very even handed, thinks things through, is Jack Bossoic said yesterday so brilliantly, measure twice, cut once. But this whole drive, the war fever, the whole and it's so it's the playbook. It's the exact Iraq playbook we go from. This is why I want you on. You had this tweet where you said we segued from, you know, having to stop the nuclear program to regime change. And you have all this loose talk on some of these networks and these pundits about regime change when you're talking about an ancient civilization, 90 million people, you know something, the Romans, you know, have fought the Persians for 2000 years. Right to a draw. Just give me your thoughts before you go to break. Your thoughts about this drive for regime change by the propagandist warmongers that are amongst us.
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David Drucker
Yeah, it's interesting. You know, before the, the Iraq war, we probably had a good year plus, you know, maybe 15 months where they were beating the drums, they were building their case, it was new stuff every day, but it was a fairly deliberate, long, drawn out process. You know, I think it was a terrible idea in high school hindsight, but you had congressional approval for it. This right now feels like they're speedrunning the entire Iraq war propaganda campaign and trying to compress it into like a week and a half and are using social media to create a hysterical hype cycle. So much of these mobs are obviously false. They're run by bots and they're meant to create this sense of chaos and panic to force you into an emotional decision right, right now because they don't want to give you time to think about the ramifications of any decision you might make. And to me, this type of like increased tempo and pace in the propaganda suggests that they know they're in real trouble, that they're knowing they know they have a problem. And you could see that in how angry they got yesterday when that two week pause was announced because they had built up this hyper frenzy campaign and it clearly didn't work, thankfully.
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Shawn Davis
Yeah, Sean, can you hang on for a second through the break? The great Jack Posobic. Posobic told us yesterday it's like the old salesman's trick. Create urgency and then upsell. I think that was exposed, folks. I think everybody did a good job. Charlie Kirk, Benny Johnson, Jack Posobic, all the different podcasts are just really, really, really amazing. Short commercial break. Back in the warm in a moment.
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Jack Posobic
Here's your host Stephen K. Bann.
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Shawn Davis
Shaun Davis brings up a brilliant point as he is often want to do and that is remember in the Iraq war they had after 9 11, right the Bush apparatus, Cheney apparatus focused on this, focused on Iraq to the detriment of really going after what the cause of this thing was. Maybe in Saudi Arabia, but I digress. A year and a half they built up the psyop coming out of Fox News the psyop every day with guys like and Jack Keane is a good man, right. But he's got the CENTCOM mentality, right. That whole just the way CENTCOM thinks. They're obsessed by this right. And they're one of the next to the CIA I think the Federal Reserve, the CIA and the and CENTCOM are the three most important and powerful institutions in the imperial capital. It's really, that's really the home base with the CIA of the Praetorian Guard, right. The it was a year and a half Jack Posobic of a build up here. They had to rush it. This is why there's been no justification. Why was it have to be last Thursday night And remember they had momentum because up on Fox hey this is the greatest military victory. I think you can make a cogent argument as Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson did. And Lawrence Wilkerson is, was Colin Powell's I think his military aide that you can make an argument. Hang on, let's play this for a second. I play because I think you make an argument the Israelis may actually be losing right now and they're looking for a bailout. Let's go ahead and play it.
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Bibi Netanyahu
Well I'm surprised you missed the line that Beebe stole from George W. Bush in his 2003 speech to a joint session of Congress. We must not allow the world's most dangerous regime to acquire the world's most dangerous weapons. Bibi just takes the same sheet of music out anytime he needs it for whatever country he happens to be angry at at the moment. And he's particularly concerned with Iran because it's the last one. He will have a clean sweep of the Levant, a clean sweep of all those who might oppose him in some way in Southwest Asia if Iran goes and he can't do it by himself. In fact, I got videos this morning smuggled out of Israel showing me that Israel is being pummeled right now, pummeled in ways that Bibi Netanyahu probably never envisioned and certainly the Israeli citizens of Israel didn't envision. So he's in a trick bag right now. And I think it's only going to deepen and get worse. So he needs the United States, desperately needs them if he's going to complete this mission, which is almost messianic with him to destroy this final regime in Southwest Asia called Iran.
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Shawn Davis
By the way, they have been on a roll in southern Syria with Hezbollah. Their defeat of Hezbollah is incredible. Taking down the air defenses initially, what, 90 days ago or 60 days ago in, in Iran, what they've done, look, they got to finish this Muslim Brotherhood to mosque. They're far from doing that in Gaza. But this is biting off more than you can tr. Here's my problem with was always contingent. Their plan was always contingent in sucking the Americans in here into a combat position. And we're just not ready for that. We're not ready for it because it's like, what is the interest, what is the vital national security interests of the United States in getting involved in another war that's going to take 20 or 30 years to resolve? Jack Bosovic, with your knowledge as a Naval intelligence officer, is Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson correct? Did they bite off more than they can chew? Is Israel actually now looking for a bailout? Are they losing this war?
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Jack Posobic
Well, Steve, here's what's going on and it comes down to basic capabilities. And you got to. There's an order of battle mismatch here because while the Israelis did come in with a high technological advantage and that that has always been their advantage. If you go back to the Six Day War in the 1960s, if you go back to any of these other recent skirmishes that we've seen and the conflicts between themselves, Hezbollah, Hamas and others taking the Golan Heights and being able to defend that against the Syrian army. It's always been the technological advantage. However, that technological advantage can be blunted, as we've seen just up to the north in the arc of instability, by what numbers? A war of attrition. That's what we saw between Ukraine and Russia because we heard the same stuff in the very early days of Ukraine and Russia. They said, Ukraine's got the technology. Ukraine, Ukraine's got the tech advantage. They got Starlink, they got the drones, they got everything out. Russia is going to collapse. Russia going to slow down. So what did Russia switch to? Russia switched to a war of attrition. Now we haven't seen that yet here because this is an air war, but we are seeing is a war of air attrition. Look, the Iron Dome, as powerful as it is and as great as it is, it was not designed for long range, high intensity, sustained warfare. It was built primarily for short range, low volume rocket attacks from Hamas or Hezbollah. That's usually what came out. The Iron Dome was not designed for full scale, prolonged military campaigns. And that's why Israeli officials came out themselves to NBC yesterday and said, look, we were at 90% interception rate, now we're down to 65%. And so these strikes that he's seeing, and I'm looking at when I, when I check my feeds from, from Tel Aviv and other areas you are now starting to see, see more and more Iranian ordnance making it through that Iron Dome net. And so it's helpful against small barrages. It's, it has that defensive layer. But these interceptor missiles that Israel is shooting up, by the way, same issue that Ukraine had. The interceptor missiles are extremely expensive and they are not unlimited. You're talking 50 to $100,000 each time, time one is fired. That doesn't even mean if it hits, when it's fired, if it malfunctions when it goes off, 50 to 100,000, that's US dollars. And so you're talking about an extremely expensive air net. And of course they're doing that because they want to protect civilians, they want to protect infrastructure. Absolutely. But we're just talking about order of battle here. And so yes, Iran's munitions, they are not, they're not as precision guided, their ordnance, their missiles. A lot of this is old material. There was a, there was a, a missile, one of the ballistics that landed and there were some images circulating on social media yesterday. And you could see this thing was built in 1981, a Shahad 3. This was a Very old piece of ordinance. This was Cold War material. But for, from Iran's perspective, the only way that you can beat the Iron Dome and the way you can fight back against it is by overcoming it and overwhelming it and again draining those military resources and financial resources because of the great expansion sense of the shoot down interceptors that Israel is having to use. And this, of this of course is what creates the sense of urgency. It's urgent for Israel to have someone come in and potentially knock the Iranians out through a regime change operation or get one of the bigger power players in to backfill them, to backfill the ammunition because otherwise they're going to run out. They can't keep this up forever. Steve.
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Shawn Davis
Sean, this thing of sense of urgency and then the upsell to regime change, this has clearly been rejected by President Trump. He couldn't be more adamant about it. What are your thoughts on how this plays out going forward? Because obviously the Fox News propaganda crew wants regime change here and they may feel that they took a licking yesterday, but they are far from finished. This is not the way Murdoch and these guys roll. They never give up. Your thoughts, sir?
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David Drucker
We look at people like Bill Kristol. You look at what neocons have been pushing for a long time. It wasn't ever just about Iraq or just getting regime change in Libya or just getting regime change in Russia, which they were talking about like crazy people for years, and using the Ukraine war as, as a proxy to, to take down the Russian regime as if somehow it would be replaced by anything better. Iran, regime change, really the crown jewel. That's the thing they've been going after for a very, very long time. And you know, I'm not that old, I'm in my 40s, but basically my entire life we've been told they're about to get a nuclear weapon. They're about to get a nuclear weapon. It's going to happen tomorrow. It's going to happen tomorrow. Been going on since the 80s or 90s. And so I think what we're going to see is a massive ramp up that, you know, Iran's about to attack us, it's about to attack our allies. If we, we don't do this now, we might get nuked. Even though Iran doesn't have ballistic missile capability coming at us, I think we are going to see so much emotionally extortive threats about what could happen or what might happen if we don't do this thing right now. And we know this because of just how quickly they went from, hey, Israel is going to take out this capability to, hey, actually we need to get rid of the regime there. And oh, by the way, we're going to need the US to help with it. They've run out of tricks really, at this point. Like they went from 0 to 100 in a matter of seconds. And you know, once you get to that point, the only thing you can do past that is just make completely emotional extortive threats. And I think we're going to see them go into overdrive with that over the next two weeks as they likely try to. To upend any deal that we, we might be able to get with the Iranians.
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Shawn Davis
Sean, where do people. You're the founder of the Federalist. Where. And by the way, it's a must go to site. Where do people go? Your social media is always something people should be on because you're doing great analysis and observations throughout the day. Where do people go to get you?
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David Drucker
Thank you. They can find me on X at Sean M DAV S E A N M DAV or they can find us and all of our great writers and reporters@the federalist.com incredible.
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Shawn Davis
Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate you.
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David Drucker
Thank you, sir.
- [26:44]
Shawn Davis
Jack, Jack, can you stick around for a couple of minutes or you got a bounce?
- [26:48]
Jack Posobic
I'm here.
- [26:49]
Shawn Davis
Okay, we got the Jack, but. So I want to give a hat tip to Charlie Kirk. The great work Charlie Kirk has been doing, the great work that Benny Johnson's been doing. So many other people. Just absolutely incredible. The podcasters. This is a team effort just to present facts. Remember, we're a week ago. Think of where we were a week ago. A week ago. The chest beating, the thumping. And I want to thank my real America's voice distribution partners and my crack team here. I think we put a marker out when we finished the cold open last Friday morning. What did we end with? We ended with the shock and awe of the 19th of March of 2003 and also the march up to Baghdad when all the people, you know, are beating their chests and this is going to be easy and what a victory. What we still have what, 25,000, 30,000 troops that are now exposed to the Persians for counterattack. When you deal in the Middle east, understand that history can come up and grab you. Okay? It's unbelievable, the naivete and quite frankly, the. It's almost criminal. Criminal what is going on. In fact, I think an investigation into like what is the information Fox News is getting? Is money changing hands? Are they. Are they be getting ads? I mean, I would actually say there you know, a Farah investigation should take place of Fox News and it should take place of FOX News, like starting today. Short commercial break. Back in the room in just a moment.
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Sarah
A big difference of opinion here. But unlike the left, we're not afraid to show it and you know, all the players involved. So I guess I gotta ask you, I want to talk about that thing. Should it matter that the mood of America, they voted for a guy who wanted to concentrate on America. First we got the guy in and now we're here almost participating in a war. How do you explain that? Say to your MAGA friends, you know, the Tuckers and the Bannons, you know, or then you have the other side, the Rubio's and the Mike Waltzes. How do you, what do you say?
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Charlie Kirk
So I observed America first up front and personal in term one. And what I learned about President Trump, he's a man of action, not words. He's not a novel Chamberlain. He is a Churchill. He is not someone who sits in a beach chair and lets history happen to him. He makes history. He acts strategically. He acts when it's in our interest. When he took out Soleimani, when he took out Al Baghdadi, when he acted in Syria, when they used chemical weapons on their own people every dictator in the world observed that. And you know what happened? Putin, for the first time in four presidencies, did not invade a sovereign country the last and final year of his presidency. Not a single American troop died in Afghanistan. You look ISIS dismantled. He's not words, he is action. How is Bannon and the folks that you mentioned and the people advocating for just sitting back and taking it easy? How are they any different than Biden's foreign policy? Biden's foreign policy was I say don't and Putin does. I say don't and the Taliban takes over Afghanistan. I say don't and two global wars start on my watch. That is the Biden foreign policy. That is by no definition America First. Iran has had five decades, five decades, almost half a century to talk. And what they've done instead, kill 609American troops in Iraq. What they've done is put an assassination plot on President Trump's head. What they've done is take American hostages and wreak havoc on the world. America first is not sitting in a beach chair and using words. It's taking decisive action. When we can take out Fordeau, the one swoop of an airplane.
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Shawn Davis
With one swoop of an airplane. Of course, Kayleigh McEnae's infantile. Let's be blunt. That right there is dangerous. That is dangerous. And that is on Fox all day long. I'm absolutely serious. Why wouldn't, why, why do you not think that they're representing a foreign government? Hannity, Levin, the whole crowd. There should be an investigation. Has there been intelligence? Are, you know, are the guys taking ads? See the AIPAC ads all the time over there. I'm a supporter of Israel and I believe in Israel first to do what they think is necessary. And they've done a pretty magnificent job recently with Hezbollah in southern Syria, I think even in Gaza, although it should be done a lot quicker and get it over with. But this is different scale. This is different level. And in history, scale matters. And this was Rush. This was Rush to try to suck us in into a military operation and get us entangled in regime change. That is obvious. The urgency last week, which still hasn't been explained why they had to have a Pearl harbor type attack last Thursday night and Friday morning, right? As we said, what do we say on the show? Jack Bosovic on Friday morning, we said this was just not to get, it was obvious it was just not to get the nuclear program. It was a decapitation move at the highest military command. They were bragging about it. And that's fine. But if you're going to do that, don't do it where you then got to upsell us for regime change or bring us in to finish. Do the coup de grace. If the coup de grace is needed by the United States of America, you should discuss that. And the American people need to be prepared for that. What did Lincoln say? If you have public opinion on your side, if you have the public's support, you can do anything in this country. But to get the public support, you got to be straight with the public. We were dealt from the bottom of the deck in Iraq. And I might note Kayleigh McEnany, if you learned your history. Iraq today is, I don't know, 50%, Jack, controlled by Persia. For the simple reason is that the buffoons over at Fox that dangerously promoted into the Iraq war, right, had not thought it through. So, Jack, where are we? And look, Israel, we have a special relationship which I unfortunately think is being broken right now by the way. The Netanyahu government is dealing with us. But that special relationship is they have air supremacy over Persia right now. But if you look at the hits they're taking, you got to ask the question. And they're running out of ammunition, which they're going to need us to do. They're going to running out of the refueling operations they're going to need us to do. We're already, we're already engaged as a combatant. Okay, let's be blunt. We're already engaged as a combatant. Now they want to bring us into, into air operations. As Hugo Lowell walked you through yesterday, it's not one swoop. Her words at the end are damning. Oh, just one swoop. Get off your beach chair. Just one swoop. Well, lady, guess what? The guys in the beach chairs right now are advising President Trump. Think this through. You're the commander in chief. We will support you. Obviously, your MAGA base, not Fox. And the Murdochs that dumped him in 2021 and tried to get, you know, Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley and Youngkin and all that crowd, right, the neocon crowd, promote him over President Trump, try to crush President Trump. Murdoch tried to make him a non person. Those are Murdoch's words, not mine. So your rush here, to basically jam the President of the United States and to jam the United States of America into a situation where we had to deliver the coup de grace on a military operation you initiated does not wash with the American people. Does not wash with maga. And I will tell you, I think, I think the odds are now hopefully that the President thinks through and looks at other diplomatic and economic warfare possibilities to deal with the situation. Jack Bosovic.
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Jack Posobic
Yes, Steve. I mean there's this just huge, massive category errors they're talking about trying to compare this to isis. ISIS didn't have a navy. ISIS didn't have a ballistic missile force. ISIS didn't have any of these assets. ISIS didn't have control of 20% of the world's oil going in and out of this trade of Hormuz. ISIS didn't have any of these things. So just massive category errors there. One is a sovereign government and the other one is a terrorist group. So these are, these are wildly different things. And to compare them as the same, it's, it's just, it's just someone who, who you know, really, really needs to go back and hit the books. And when you look at also you say, wait a minute. The one line that just sticks at me, Steve, is say wait a minute. This is Joe Biden's foreign policy. Joe Biden was not an isolationist. Joe Biden launched a proxy war against Russia. Let's not mince words. There's a proxy war against Russia that Joe Biden initiated through his proxies in Ukraine that Fox News was cheerleading for. And all the cheerleaders with the blow dried hair and the makeup and everyone else on Fox News when they were cheerleading for that and Tucker Carlson by the way, got fired over speaking out against the war in Ukraine and saying, hey, wait a minute, this isn't a great idea. We've got real issues here. They've got real number issues, they've got armament issues. Maybe we should try to find a way to end this diplomatically. Where's that going right now? How's that going right now? When, when they did the last troop exchange, the last troop exchange and RUH and Russia turned over 6, 000 bodies and Ukraine turned over 70. All right, that's the numbers of ratio right there. How many people got to die? How many men got to die? How many boys got Christian European men? How many Christians do you want dead? Because that's what happens in every single Middle east war too, by the way. The Christians always get slaughtered by one side or the other, right? All these areas used to be Christian. They're all slaughtered and said, oh, we pray for them, we pray for them. What? Or you could maybe not start a war and get them all killed. So you got a proxy war right now that is still unfinished. Not, not too far, relatively speaking, to the north of Iran between Ukraine and Russia that all of Fox News was cheerleading. And we just, we don't talk about that anymore. We don't have any conversation about that whatsoever. Putin's up there. He's saying, wait a minute, you know why?
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Shawn Davis
You know, we mediate.
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Jack Posobic
We do any of those. China's trying to come in.
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Shawn Davis
The same crew. Levin, Levin, Hannity, Cruz. Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham's over there for the assault. The same exact crew. The same exact crew with the blood on their hands of 2 million. Let me be blunt. 2 million Ukrainians and Russians. A million Russians. Christians dead or wounded. A million Ukrainians dead and wounded. And here's the point on this show, as you know from the very beginning with talking about Professor Mersheimer, they were leading the Ukrainians into a destructive war. It's like World War I. The catastrophic nature of that conflict is revolting. Who cheerleaded that? And where are they now? Are they cheerleaded?
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Bibi Netanyahu
No.
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Shawn Davis
Because they understand the American people are. Are they want a new proxy war.
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Jack Posobic
Before they even finish the last one?
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Shawn Davis
Exactly. It's.
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Jack Posobic
And the one man, the one man on Fox News who wasn't cheerleading it, they fired him.
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Shawn Davis
Got rid of him. Right, Got rid of him. Talk to me about. Also, Charlie's being attacked. Charlie's being attacked because he used the analogy of the, of the Persians and the Romans, sir.
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Jack Posobic
It's true. Look, look, you've got a Western power. Think of it, right? You say, oh, that's, that's, you know, they're saying, oh, Charlie said the Romans couldn't even beat the Persians. Right. Well, understand when, when Rome and Persia were fighting. That's because that was an expeditionary operation of Rome, a Western power based, as we know, of course, in Italy was fighting Persia. So there are two massive wars between Rome and Persia. You sit there and say, oh, well, that's, that's not. The geography hasn't changed. The lift hasn't changed. You still have to lift troops and material and sources. You need all of this, so you need your supply lines. So you have to carry out those sustained supply lines. Just like we're seeing this air bridge that's being built right now right in front of our eyes. If you go look at the map. So that's all being done. And the Persians, what do they do? They hunkered down and they kept fighting. They kept fighting. They kept fighting. They kept fighting. And what did it do? What did it do? It sapped the strength of both Persia and the Western Roman Empire. So the Roman Empire splits to west and east byzantium goes on for much longer and then Persian empire collapses also internally. And what did that give rise to? Oh, right. The Islamic caliphate was able to sweep in under Muhammad, the Arab armies and the Muslim armies, they took the entire peninsula, they took all of Persia and then they sweeped all the way through and it created the Ottoman caliphate. So all of this was done because they were able to break out because you weakened the empire by overstretch, by putting foreign interests ahead of your domestic agenda, the domestic agenda of your internal core populace. And so if you think that the, that there aren't any analogies that we can learn from that history and we should just shut up and stop reading those history books and telling Charlie Kirk to stop worrying about it, I would say I think Charlie Kirk is dead. Spot on.
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Shawn Davis
Dead spot on, Jack. Also today is pretty obvious. President Trump is pivoted back to what his interest really should be. The mass deportations, huge win in the courts. Right, that President Trump's taking advantage of. But also and the national beautiful bill. He understands he's got a lift here. Here. It's a heavy lift because there's a huge gap between the bid and the ask here to get a bill for him to sign on July 4th. Talk to me about where the President's head looks like, at least on true social and other other messaging we're seeing coming out this morning. He's back to business, is he not?
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Jack Posobic
Well, President Trump knows, look, this big beautiful bill and the drumbeats were not beating for war. They were beating for this bill just one week ago, about one week prior to last Thursday. And that bill looked like it was working its way through. And Stephen Miller was up there on Capitol Hill and he was working hard on it and getting in a lot of debates with some of the senators and the holdouts, etc. But you need 50. So you need 50 plus one if you get JD in there and that's able to be enough to get this across. You only need a simple majority because of the way that they're doing this. You want your deportations. And look, I've said day in and day out, support your local ICE raids. That's where America's first first focused is. That's President Trump's number one issue. And by the way, Kayleigh McEnany said that just a few nights ago. This is the number one issue for American voters for Trump supporters. And it's his most broad support is on that issue as well. And Kaylee, I applaud you for saying that. I think she was exactly correct. When she said that, that that's President Trump's number one issue. That's what swept him into office and that's what he's been fighting very hard to get across. The finish line. Number one with the ice raids that have been going on. Fantastic ice raids. Los Angeles, huge ice raids. I love the videos coming out of there. I can't get enough of them. Steve, we got to set up a whole, you know, maybe a whole couple hours here on Real America's Voice, where we just show the footage of the ice raids, maybe get Ben Berkwan to narrate or something and that, you know, maybe in bed with those guys, Oscar Ramirez. But then you got the big beautiful bill that if you want to see these expanded, boom, you hit the bill. Now they get the funding to do it nationwide. It's incredible. The that's what President Trump's core focus has always been.
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Shawn Davis
Jack, where do people go? Social media, the show, all of it.
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Jack Posobic
Human Events Daily will be up at 2pm today. We're going to be walking through all of this, the play by play. We're going to have footage of these strikes hitting Iran, hitting Tel Aviv, hitting Haifa. Places where a lot of people said that it wasn't going to come back to the backfield. But this situation unfortunately needs a dealmaker in chief like President Donald J. Trump.
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Shawn Davis
President Trump. Thank you, Jack. Short break. Back at the War Room.
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Now that the president has set the course, that let's think this through as he thinks through. Actually, Haley McEnany's it's just one swoop. It's just one swoop. It's just a swoop. That's all it is, just a swoop. Get off your beach chair. Let's have a swoop. That type of infantile cheerleading is what led to Section 60 over in Arlington National Cemetery. Yeah. Remember Bill Kristol, they're going to throw, remember that? They're going to throw roses. They're going to throw roses in the streets to, to, to welcome the American troops. That was all in Iraq. It's dangerous to put the pom poms up and act like this. This is very serious, not just for this country geopolitically, geostrategically, but also for the lives of men and women in combat and their families. America first means also American citizens first. This is why President Trump resonates so well. This is why he has such a large movement that's growing. 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