
Episode 4583: AI Free Reign Is A White And Blue Collar Disaster ...
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on.
Matt Schlapp
All these networks lying about the people.
Stephen K. Bannon
The people have had a belly full of it.
Matt Schlapp
I know you don't like hearing that.
Stephen K. Bannon
I know you try to do everything.
Matt Schlapp
In the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
Stephen K. Bannon
It's going to happen.
Josh Hawley
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
Rick Grinnell
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
Stephen K. Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Matt Schlapp
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Stephen K. Bannon
If that answer is to save my.
Matt Schlapp
Country, this country will be saved.
Rand Paul
War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
Stephen K. Bannon
It's Tuesday 24. June in the year of our Lord. In the year of our Lord 2025. Just double checking it. Don't, don't get hurt of my producers trying to hurt himself over there. Senator Hawley, you're one of the few, if not the only real populist in the Senate. I know you're close to President Trump. You talk to him a lot. There's a lot of people in our audience that are big fans of yours that say, hey, look, I don't really understand is Josh Hawley trying to push to keep Obamacare? I don't really understand the Medicaid part of it because as you know, the big battle we've had over this for the last decade. Can you just take a second explain your, your position this, because I know you're just as concerned about the debt and deficit as Ron Johnson put it in kind of whole cloth. What, what, what position are you taking and why does it make sense and why is it prudent?
Josh Hawley
Here's, here's my overall position. I'll just take my state as an example, State of Missouri. We've got 1.3 million people, Steve, who are on Medicaid, including hundreds of thousands of kids. And here's the important thing to know. Most of these people are not folks who are deadbeat, staying at home, not working. These are working people who are on Medicaid because they don't have a job that gives them insurance on the job. Thank you, Democrats and globalists who have destroyed our economy, our working class economy. So now working people can't get those kind of jobs anymore, number one, so they don't get it on the job anymore, the health insurance and number two, they can't afford it on the exchange. Thank you, Obamacare. Because insurance is so incredibly expensive, they can't afford to buy it. So they're on Medicaid. These are Trump people. These are our people. These are the people who voted for Donald Trump in the state of Missouri by 18 percentage points. And Steve, these are the same people, particularly in the rural parts of my state, and we are a rural state. They just Medicaid is all they got. And that's not because they're lazy. It's not because of their bums. It's not because these are good working people, Trump voters. But in today's economy, because of what the globalists have done to our economy and our industrial sector, this is all that they've got. And my position is the same as the president. For those hardworking people, we shouldn't take away Medicaid, the only thing they've got. Now, if they're not working, should they be working? Yeah, of course they need to go work. If you can work, you need to go work. You shouldn't be getting a handout. But if you're paying in with your tax dollars and you can't otherwise afford something, then we ought to keep your Medicaid. And here's the other piece of it, Steve, rural hospitals again, half the hospitals in the state of Missouri are rural. I'm from a little town in Missouri. I'm a small town boy. I grew up in a town of 4,000 people, small and wasn't a suburb either. I was out in rural Missouri, not near any city. We had a little hospital there. I always joke I was a frequent guest with all my sports injuries growing up as a kid. And we cannot close down half the hospitals in Missouri. None of our people are going to be able to get any health care. So here's the task. How do we protect rural hospitals while cutting out the Obama Biden garbage out of this budget, beginning with the Green New Scam? That's what we ought to do. We ought to cut out all the Biden spending. Four trillion. We ought to get rid of all the subsidies to China, all the subsidies to Wall street, all the garbage for the hedge funds. But our people, we got to protect them, beginning with those rural hospitals. That's my view. And you know, that's the president said. That's what the president said. You know, save Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. That's what he said. I think he's right. And we got to get something to his desk that does that. I think the House did a pretty good job on this, Steve, to be honest with you. And at this point, I think, hey, let's take what The House did. If we need to make a few tweaks, cut out a little more stuff, a little more garbage, let's do it, but let's get this thing to the President's desk. That's my. That's my position, my priority.
Stephen K. Bannon
I know you talked to the President. He agrees with you. But. But when you've got still the Biden spending and he came out over the weekend and adamant, it's all got to go. And you've got the Green New scam, which he hates, that's all got to go. The difference between the bid and the ask and the Senate, we're just as we're sitting here on Tuesday with the 4th of July coming upon us. I think you guys are going to vote tomorrow, this vote starting here shortly. Those two priorities for the President of where he wants cuts are not happening right now. Am I correct? I mean, it's got your voice and a few other voices, but do you think those cuts will happen?
Josh Hawley
I hope so. I mean, the President could not be more clear. Cut out the Green New Scam. Why are we subsidizing? I'll give you just one example here. Our subsidies right now for electric vehicles and electric vehicle manufacturers, they don't just go to manufacturers in the United States using all these Chinese components, by the way. Actually, Chinese manufacturers, straight up Chinese manufacturers, can get these subsidies. It's our tax money. Why we would ever want to give China, our biggest global economic competitor, our own tax money so that they can build cars we don't want, hike up the price and sell them back to us at a huge profit. It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. All of that ought to go. It's costing us trillions of dollars. All of it ought to go. That's what the President said over the weekend. He's 100% correct. We need to do that. We need to get rid of that spending. We need to root out the climate change, Green New Deal garbage that Biden spent $4 trillion on. We need to make permanent all of the Doge cuts, all of that, the waste, fraud and abuse, get rid of all of it. And we can do that, protect rural hospitals, like the President said. You know, I come back to the fact the House bill, which the President negotiated, pretty much got there. So my view is like, let's quit screwing around with it. Let's get this thing to the President's desk.
Stephen K. Bannon
I want to go about Tom at slipping things in. MTG brought this up, but you got this thing and we're believers in federalism. Right. We're not neo confederates like, like, like Newsom and the crowd in L. A that are sanctuary cities and going up against federal law and the deportation of these illegal aliens. But they're making an argument in Silicon valley for this 10 year about the 10 year ban on any states having any say so in artificial intelligence. They're saying, hey, Hawley's a good guy. He went to an okay school, so he's okay. But the rest of the rubes in Missouri, there's no way we want them having any say so whatsoever that we do in the great artificial intelligence war with China. Because we've had a Sputnik moment. And the people of Missouri are nice people, but they're rural people. They don't really understand technology. They particularly don't understand their deceleration is not accelerationists. And so therefore they cannot have any say. So over the next decade. Your response, Senator Hawley?
Josh Hawley
It's insane. This AI thing is insane. And here's what it would do. Steve. We need to be real clear on this. These AI companies are coming for your rights. They're coming for your job. These AI companies, they're already, if you have anything you put on the Internet, you write a little poem, you put a picture of your kids out there, you post something, it doesn't matter what it is, they take it. Are they paying you for it? No. Are they asking you permission? No. Are they getting your consent in any way? No. And they want to keep on doing it. They want to keep on taking your name, your image, your likeness, your property rights. They want to take all of it so that they can train their systems on it and make billions of dollars. What are you going to get out of that? Nothing. And it's going to get worse because they're going to use that technology to start training up. Robots are going to drive the trucks, they're going to run the factories, they're going to take our jobs. I mean, and they're boasting about it. Don't take my word for it, just go listen to the AI guys. They celebrate it. I'll never forget the CEO of Microsoft testifying in front of the Senate, Steve. And he was talking about, well, we don't really need non creative jobs in America. AI will just get rid of all of them. And I was like, what are we talking about here? Oh, we're talking about guys who work the assembly line. We're talking about guys who, who are in the factory floor. I'm like, wait a minute, you're just going to eliminate all their jobs? I don't think so. That's what these AI companies want. And now they've gotten a sweetheart deal in the Senate version of this bill that says they can't be touched, regulated, you can't protect people's rights against them, and it gives it to them for 10 long years. Steve, it's ridiculous. We got to find a way to get this out of the bill. This is a disaster for working people. We need to be going the opposite direction. We ought to be giving working people more complex control over their name, image, likeness. We ought to be protecting working jobs, not giving these corporate titans control over everybody's lives. It's insane.
Stephen K. Bannon
But Senator, you're going to have the world's most deliberative body. You're going to have a huge debate about that. This is just not slipped in the middle of a bill to be passed, of a 9,000 page bill. Certainly the defenders of this are going to get out on the floor and take you and others that are fighting against this on in a massive debate that will take days and days and days. Is that what they expect or are they just slipping it in in the middle of the night?
Josh Hawley
Oh, no, what they're trying to do is slip it in in the middle of the night, Steve. Right now. This is in this bill. It's in the Senate version of the bill. This is what I was talking about a minute ago. The longer this bill sits over here in the Senate, you know, the more it changes from what the President and the House negotiated. And this is one of these changes where they've taken a provision and made it much worse. So now that we've got this AI thing that they've slipped in and Steve, their goal is to pass this in this bill in a way where nobody can touch it, where there's no debate, there's no public scrutiny, and, and presto, it's done. And I'm just here to say I'm not going to let that happen. We'll try to strip it out of this bill. If we can't get it stripped out of this bill, we'll come back with another bill on the floor that will strip it out. But there is no way I'm just going to sit back and say to the working people of my state in this country, yeah, we're just going to let AI come for you. I mean, no way. That's what we did with the free trade and the Globalist 30 years ago. They made all the same arguments, oh, we got to have free trade to beat China. We got to have free trade so that we can democratize China. Now they're saying that about AI. My message is you leave our jobs alone, you leave our rights alone, you leave our people alone. We're going to stand up for working people.
Stephen K. Bannon
Senator Hawley, how do people find out more about you, where they go? For all the information around you and.
Josh Hawley
Your mission, you can follow me at Holly Moe, that's on X and all social media handles and certainly look me up on the web. We'd love to have you.
Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you for spending time with us, sir. Understand your business.
Josh Hawley
Thank you.
Stephen K. Bannon
Appreciate you. Matt Schlapp, thank you for joining us. I don't have you here for CPAC thing, although I want we got one of the Hungarian members of the CPAC going to join us on Wednesday. I'd love to get you back or talk about it, but you're here for something I think is very important. And Ambassador Grinnell, I went over to, I was able to go over to Kennedy center and see the change in the staff and the mentality in the spirit, the spree de corps, seeing a magnificent presentation by the National Symphony Orchestra, I think the cathedral, the National Cathedral Choir on a playing of Amadeus, the film about Mozart. It was just incredible. And the staff has just got so much esprit de corps. Now what's happening? There's another musical. They were president about to see Les Mis and there were going to be some big controversy. Nothing happened. They had a great thing. But what's happening on. Is something happening on Hamilton?
Rick Grinnell
Yeah. So Les Mis, Mercy and I and all of our kids were able to go. It was a great performance and it was great to have the president back at the Kennedy Center. I mean, there's a lot of us who believe that the arts should just do the arts and raise us up and maybe give us a political timeout which we don't get much of as we go and consume modern stuff. But the more traditional stuff like Les Mis keep the politics out of it. And I think that's the goal of the Kennedy center, whether you have a Democrat president or Republican president. But Steve, this will shock you, but the cast and crew of Hamilton is boycotting the Kennedy center because they hate Donald Trump. They won't listen to the results of the election and they're going to browbeat. It's kind of ironic all the socialists and commies that live around Washington, D.C. won't be able to see Hamilton at the beautiful Kennedy center because all these people are boycotting it. And you know, I was thinking last night as we were talking about this as a family and saying, you know, all of us around Red America go buy these tickets or a lot of us do to go see these plays, go to these movies, etc. And while they're actually boycotting Donald Trump here in Washington, D.C. i think everybody around the country needs to be aware that Hamilton is basically put its put its vote in with the commies and the socialists and they're part of the resistance and they're trying to fight Donald Trump. They're fighting Rick Renell, they're fighting the Kennedy Center. They're fighting the resurgence of the Kennedy center, which is now very well funded and doing a great job, as you said, with a great esprit de corps. I don't think we should buy their tickets. Let's go do something else with our money until these guys get their act together. My understanding is that Hamilton has been purchased by the Disney Company and I think the Disney company should tell the cast and crew of Hamilton to knock it off. I bet Disney probably has a few asks in this tax bill and other pieces of legislation that are going on. And we're tired of the politicization of all these companies and all of these once great creative products like Hamilton and and so I think it's time for us to stand up and vote with our wallet.
Stephen K. Bannon
You're saying step one is cancel any ticket you've got for the roadshow because that's what this is, cancer. Cancel right now. Do not support these guys. Right?
Josh Hawley
Yeah.
Rick Grinnell
Let's get them to change their boycott of Donald Trump and Rick Grinnell at the Kennedy Center. Let's get this thing ended. Let's get it ended now. The only way that'll happen is with your voices and with your pocketbook.
Stephen K. Bannon
Matt, what's your social media? I'm going to get you back on here. Talk about CPACs around the world in the next couple days. Where do people get you in the interim AT M?
Rick Grinnell
Slap on all the major platforms.
Stephen K. Bannon
Matt, thank you so much. Say hi to Mercy.
Rick Grinnell
Thanks, Steve.
Stephen K. Bannon
Your better half, you married up, as I always say, Hamilton in the grill of the Commander in Chief, given everything he's trying to do to actually implement many of the policies of Alexander Hamilton, particularly around tariffs and trade. Short commercial break Back in the room in a moment.
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Rand Paul
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Stephen K. Bannon
Senator Rand Paul joins us. Senator, as one of the leading, I would say non interventionist in the United States Senate, can you give us your thoughts of what's happened over the last couple of days and particularly President Trump getting to a cease fire that it seems like Bibi Netanyahu was hell bent for leather for not, not following his directions.
Rand Paul
Sir, you know, I'm hopeful that the cease fire will hold. I think if you look back at foreign intervention over the last couple of decades in the Middle east, the United States enters, you know, with the noblest of intentions. But the unintended consequences of, you know, war in Libya, war in Iraq, war in Afghanistan have been trillions of dollars of our treasure. Thousands of our soldiers lost. And I hope Iran doesn't end up that way. I think you know, the president, I know him pretty well. I think his instincts are not to get us involved. I think that from the Constitution point of view, he should have asked us, you know, had I been president, I would have come to a joint session of Congress and asked for a declaration of war before dropping the bombs. And the reason is, is that while the president may ultimately exercise, you know, a judicious restraint and not go further than this. All presidents need to be restrained. And that's why the Constitution, you know, Madison put it this way, said that the executive branch is the branch most prone to war. Therefore, with studied care, the Constitution vested this power in the legislature. I mean this is a big debate during our founding father's time because they were, you know, they wanted to get away from the chronic wars of Europe and they came here and they really wanted a country that wasn't always at war. And so they really wanted to make it difficult to go to war.
Stephen K. Bannon
Do you believe that it took that level of actually a declaration of war? I mean, he was responding. And this is why I think it's incumbent upon the Senate today. I think you're having the behind doors on this, on this intelligence that this last minute intelligence we got that said it was a clear and present danger immediately and the Israelis had to go try to take it out, which obviously we found out after President Trump's raid that they never lifted a finger to do anything about that, or at least they had us even send tomahawks to the above ground. So it's kind of confusing what they were really doing and why they needed our help. But you think that in that emergency, given his, we actually had to go get a declaration of war.
Rand Paul
I don't think there was any imminent change in Iran's position. Tulsi Gabbard put out the intelligence report about three months ago, and this is the same intelligence report that we've had for years. Netanyahu, I think, first said in 2012 that Iran was weeks away from getting a nuclear weapon. Now, they've always been weeks away from having enough enriched uranium, but that's not enough really to have a weapon. It takes more technology beyond just having the enriched uranium. But they've never gone to the point where they've had the enriched uranium. I think they've always had the capability and have always been within a couple weeks. And I don't know that anything had changed, really. I think the main thing had changed is that Netanyahu judged that they were weak and he could attack them. And, you know, nobody wants them to have a nuclear weapon. But I think it's still unknown what the result of this will be. Will Iran capitulate and say, never again, we're going to behave, we want to be part of the community of nations, or will Iran respond with a sprint to creating a nuclear weapon? There are news reports out today saying that 400 kg of enriched uranium at 60% was spirited out before the attacks. I don't know the truth of this, but it's been in the news. There is also the question of whether some centrifuges were removed as well, or whether there are other sites. I'm not sure you can bomb away the ability to Make a nuclear weapon takes about 40 kilograms. And if they took 400 kilograms, they got enough for about 10 weapons that can be hidden almost anywhere. So we'll see what happens. I hope that they won't develop a nuclear weapon. I hope that the war will not continue. But I guess I rest my judgment on the previous incursions of so many presidents, from Obama to Bush, overseas that really didn't go as planned and I think lost a lot of treasure and a lot, a lot of life needlessly.
Stephen K. Bannon
Are you. I mean, that's a pretty big charge. Are there any senators going to actually demand to know what from the, from the Netanyahu government side, what information was given? Why the emergency? Why? You know, because it looked like the bombing. You know, remember, nuclear weapons are not about the science, which is pretty well known, is about the industrial process to actually make a bomb and deliver it. Are you or any other senators agree with you that are going to call for some sort of deeper look into what the Netanyahu government's been doing?
Rand Paul
You know, I will be at the classified hearing at 4 o' clock this afternoon. The problem is, is what is discussed won't be available to be discussed publicly. But I think there should be some public discussion. And the closest we have to that discussion is that our intelligence community releases something publicly and they judge whether or not anything has changed and whether they've made a decisive commitment to creating a nuclear weapon and the assessment of our intelligence community. And this isn't just one person, this is the entire intelligence estimate. Many people, all the different intelligence agencies feed into this and then there's a report written, but I don't think there's a great amount of dissension upon that. Now, I know there was a little bit of dissension or discussion back and forth between Tulsi Gabbard and the President, but I think they were saying actually the same thing. Tulsi Gabbard never said that they isn't uranium enriched enough that they could create a weapon in the next few weeks. But the judgment of not just her, but the entire intelligence community was that they had seen no signs to indicate that they were immediately or imminently developing a nuclear weapon.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, I hope you can, because I think it's pretty open now that I hope you can ask a couple of pointy questions of John Ratcliffe and the CIA, because I think the CIA and they've been pretty open and other intelligence services came to a different conclusion over those couple of days and said that there was some emergency that had to Go. Israel had to go on that, Thursday night, Friday morning, in fact, and Beebe came on Fox on Sunday night with Brent Baer and said, yeah, they're making a surge, but they're 12 to 13 months away, which is a mantra he's had since 1996. So I hope that you ask, I think the intelligence community did, with the exception of John Ratcliffe and the CIA. And I hope that you ask some pointed questions and make sure we get, we have to get to the bottom of this. This is why I think the American people get so skeptical. The president and the military takedown of what the apparatus they had was magnificent. But you're putting people in harm's way. And I think the American people who back President Trump want to make sure they get all the information. I mean, aren't they, aren't they even in a non classified form because you don't want to give up sources and methods. But somehow we have to get to this thing of how the intelligence community had one view and then all of a sudden we hear that the CIA and others had another view. Sir?
Rand Paul
Yeah, I agree completely and I will ask those questions in the hearing if it gets to me. The hearings are difficult because there could be as many as 80 or 90 senators and they'll go around the room for an hour or two and then they'll say, time's up. So you don't always get a question, but I will try to ask that question. And what you've just said is accurate and true, is that most of this discussion doesn't have to be classified. In fact, when I go to these classified hearings, most of the things that are said are really not classified. They never mention names of sources or where we have people. And frankly, I've always said I would prefer not to hear original sources. I don't want to endanger these people by ever letting something slip that might endanger our people. But the discussion over whether or not we had evidence where it's gathered is immaterial. Whether or not we had evidence that something had materially changed, I don't believe so. I think Israel struck out of a, this idea that they had the least resistance they'd had in a long time. Hezbollah had been decimated. Yemen is somewhat in check. The Houthis are somewhat in check. And I think that they believed Iran to be weak enough. And, you know, the assessment looks pretty, pretty keen that they were weak enough that both Israel and the United States were able to get in and out unscathed. But it really isn't the End of the question. It's the beginning of the questions. Now, did something change in that intelligence? But also the question will be, does this stop them? And I think it's an open question, does this stop them from getting a nuclear weapon or does it spur them to get a nuclear weapon? And I think that's an open question. We'll find out over time.
Stephen K. Bannon
We played we're the only broadcaster, only streaming service that played in its entirety. Lindsey Graham Yesterday, I think 40 minutes on the Senate floor making impassioned case for regime change. We only got you for another couple of minutes, but are most of your colleagues under are taking the assault from Fox News nonstop. Are most of your colleagues in the Senate with the president, United States and we will not engage in regime change here, sir.
Rand Paul
I would say Lindsey Graham is on the extreme war. War side or neoconservative side of things, and he always has been. I don't think the president has ever been there. And in my conversations with both of them present in a small group, the president has always sort of chided Graham for being too far out there on the limb of trying to intervene everywhere all the time and be involved in every war. And I don't think that's the president's natural inclination. I do appreciate that President Trump is now saying to Israel in fairly forceful words that they need to, you know, adhere to the ceasefire. I hope that will stick and I hope the president will stick that this is all we're doing and no more. I still have a constitutional question with the way it was done, but I hope for the best. I mean, I don't want our country to be involved in another or mired down in another Middle east war. And I think Iran would put both Iraq and Afghanistan to shame in being such a large country. And there's no way US Troops could occupy it. There's no way Israel could occupy it in any reasonable fashion for any reasonable time. Militarily, we're incredibly superior. And really the last week has shown that unmatched is our military and Iran is nothing to stand up to it. But it's still an open question how they respond. Do they respond in a chastened way where they stop nuclear development, or do they respond in a headlong push towards the bomb? And I think that really is an unknown.
Stephen K. Bannon
Senator, we only got 30 seconds. We'd love to get your back on the big beautiful bill. Do you think we asked Senator Hawley, this is do you think it will be on the president's desk to sign on July 4th as you sit here today, sir.
Rand Paul
Maybe, probably. Actually, I think some of it, some of it's good. I'm all for the tax cuts I voted for in 2017. It needs more spending cuts and we really should divorce the debt ceiling. Raising the debt ceiling, 5 trillion, not conservative. And that's really my main opposition to the bill and keeping me off of it. But I think there is a way that I could get back on it if they would separate out the debt ceiling. Let the Democrats vote for that. Don't have conservative, conservative Republicans owning the debt.
Stephen K. Bannon
We'd love to get you back on that very topic. It's one that we focus on a lot. Senator RAND Paul, Social media, where do people get you, sir?
Rand Paul
Rand Paul.com or on Twitter or Facebook, wherever you want to look, we're there.
Stephen K. Bannon
Senator RAND Paul, thank you so much. Appreciate you. Short commercial break the streets of New York City where geopolitics is playing out this very day in a Democratic primary. Next.
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Why is this the one stop shop? We want to know everything about the lawfare that was targeted by President Trump because you covered it as a reporter and you're also a lawyer. It's just a one stop shop. We go. If you want to see all of it, it's here in this book.
Alex Woyer
There's books that talk about the weaponization of government. But this book details the lawfare. So I talked to Laura Trump and Don Jr. I got their perspectives as part of the family about how it affected them. Both of them had told me they were confident that if Trump did not win, Democrats would put him behind bars. That was the ultimate goal. And Lara Trump gave me an interesting quote, actually. She said, you know, it was pretty raw, that they didn't really want to go into all the details about what they've experienced through this, but that even getting a mortgage was something that the family was impacted by. And you think with the Trump last name, how could that be possible? She walked me through the phone call when the President was on his way to get that mug shot in Fulton County. She predicted, I think rightfully so, that it would be Elvis Presley level. I think that, you know, that mugshot and of course, the image of the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania, became just so iconic for the 2024 election. There's a few other pieces of information that I just think your viewers should know. When I was looking at these gag orders that were handed down against the president from criminal courts, and as a criminal defendant, you should be able to have all liberty to speak out and defend yourself, but not President Trump. He was under these gag orders, and he did about 90 campaign rallies while under these gag orders from criminal courts, which, if you care about the First Amendment, if you care about political speech, the fact that that precedent was even set should really trouble you. And the media just played along. Media Research center actually had some really good data I was able to use in this book. April 2024 report showed that when they covered it was ABC and NVC. They did like 99 stories on the Fulton county litigation and Georgia. When they talked about Fani Willis, they never identified her as a Democrat. Why is that important? She was running for reelection at the time. So you would think a reporter would say, you know, the district attorney going after the leading Republican presidential candidate, Fani Willis, is herself running for re election as a Democrat. And it's important context for viewers to know. And it just gives even more notion to viewers about how political these charges are.
Stephen K. Bannon
I don't want to bury the lead. I want to make sure people understand the stakes here. Go back. Who told you that the purpose and focus here was to put President Trump in prison? Who told you that?
Alex Woyer
Yes. So Don Jr. Lara Trump. They both were very confident that it became aware to them as the family was going through the campaign, that had he not won, they fully believe he would have been locked up. And I've heard from a number of people, including you yourself, that the Democrats, their goal with this lawfare, it's really to silence their opposition and to bankrupt them. And that's just obviously anti American. The justice system is supposed to be blind. What we've seen the left do, it really threatens the separation of powers. And it was something that they have done in the past, but it mushroomed under Trump. It mushroomed during the 2024 election. And now we see it in the form of trying to oppose his agenda now that he's in office.
Stephen K. Bannon
I've got about a minute left. I gotta ask you point blank, and the reason people should buy this book, if they steal this in 28, do you anticipate the way they control the deep state, that we're not through the lawless law fair, ma' am, No.
Alex Woyer
I think that you just hit a nail on the head. I actually point out that the federal lawsuits against President Trump were dismissed, but they were not dismissed without prejudice. So if you get a really biased prosecutor in there in 2028 that wants to try to resurrect some of these federal charges, some of them, the statute of limitations is eight years. They could do that. Is it likely? I'm not sure, but they could try. And unless President Trump has some sort of committee that he puts together to do something about this, to put the lawfare quirk back in the bottle, I think that this could be the new norm. And it's a, it's a huge threat.
Stephen K. Bannon
Swore you're one of the smartest people and hard working people I know. Where do people, what's your social media? Where do they get all your writings and your great reporting? And where did they get this book? Because you should get this book. It's some one stop shop to understand not just what happened and what President Trump and all of us overcame as a movement, but what lies ahead. That's the important thing. What lies ahead? Where are the ghosts for you?
Alex Woyer
And Mike Davis wrote the Forward. He was very good about laying out what lays ahead with the judiciary. They can find the book at Amazon and also online at Barnes and Noble. They can find me on X at Asewoyer. That's S W O Y E R. And some of my work is also at the Washington Times.
Stephen K. Bannon
Perfect. Yeah, the Washington Times are great.
Alex Woyer
And they can also read a little bit of those. There's a little bit of those Don Jr. Snippets and Lara Trump snippets at the National Pulse. They can take a look there too.
Stephen K. Bannon
Raheem okay, we'll post those. Grace and Mo will post those today. Alex, good luck with the book. Thank you so much. Can't wait to push this thing out. I hope Mike Davis is not getting. I hope you're not giving him a taste of this for the Article 3 project, ma' am. Thank you. We'd love Article 3. We got enough volunteers to go do it. So. Thank you so much, ma' am. Appreciate you.
Alex Woyer
Thank you so much.
Stephen K. Bannon
Bannon Lawless Lawfare Swear is a tough, nice tough hombre like Davis. Make sure you read. I'll tell you another tough hombre. Torberov. What in the hell is you. You women up there? You moms are fighting like crazy Manhattan. I thought we might be winning. No, no, no. I thought we might be winning. Now. Now I'm like, what in the hell is going on? Can you explain to the people? Because nobody's paid attention to this. What in the hell's happening today, ma' am?
Jackie Torberov
Yeah, what's happening is we have an Islamist who is 33. He basically became a US citizen around five years ago. He has a degree in African Studies. He trained with Empower Change, which is to create and train Mini Linda Sarsour. It is funded by George Soros. And someone thought he would be excellent to run for New York City office. And if we end up electing this person, it really could be the end of New York City. And really New York City is the center of gravity.
Stephen K. Bannon
He's not running for New York City office. He's running for the mayor of the most important city in the world. Is he not, ma' am?
Jackie Torberov
Yeah, he's running for New York City mayor. He is really doing great with the young voters. And it's really. It's a crazy situation because this is what he is supporting. He wants to raise minimum wage to $30 in 2030. He wants to raise the. He wants to pardon. He wants to increase by $10 billion the corporate taxes. He wants to raise corporate tax rate to 11.5% and 2% income on all residents making $1 million annually. He wants the city to run grocery stores. John Katsimatidis of Gristed has threatened to close all of his New York City supermarkets and relocate his headquarters. I mean, just think about this. Literally. Breadlines are a coming. And he wants to have a rent freeze. He wants to make affordable high quality housing for everyone. He wants free universal pre kindergarten for everyone. He wants free bus fare for everyone. This is a guy who really just. Not only is he a Democrat, socialist, he's An Islamist. So you have these two horrific ideologies that are very much intertwined and completely the antithesis of New York City. And I will say one other thing.
Stephen K. Bannon
How do you know he's. How do you know he's an Islamist? I see his policies are kind of Democrat working people, the Working People Party and Democratic Socialists. That's kind of their agenda. And some of those are nice aspirations, but you can't afford it. Right, but why do you say he's an Islamist?
Jackie Torberov
Well, first, the Working Family Party, they're against work and they're against families. So the Working Family Party and dsa, which is the Democratic Socialists of America, they are absorbing the Democrat Party. Why do I say he's an Islamist? He founded sjp, which is Students for Justice in Palestine. He founded that chapter at his college. Again, he worked at M. Power Change, which is to create Mini Linda Sarsour, funded by George Soros. He fought harder for Mahmoud Khalil than pretty much any citizen, I mean, any voting citizen in New York City. He pretty much defends the intifada. He likened it to something that happened in the Warsaw ghettos. And as anyone with eyes can see, New York City is besieged by these Islamist protests that are really pro Hamas protests almost daily.
Matt Schlapp
Jackie, where do they go for you.
Stephen K. Bannon
By the way, for ranked choice voting? Is he. Does he have a chance to actually win, or is it. You're afraid he's going to come in second and become a power player in New York?
Jackie Torberov
So ranked choice voting is designed to help people with similar ideologies like this win because they all pull together. I actually do not think Zoran is going to win. I think Cuomo is going to. And I have the numbers. It's 57 to 43 right now. Cuomo to Zoran. And this is per YouGov and yell polling again, it's 57 to 43. Today is going to be huge. I think everyone needs to come out. As you like to say, there are no easy choices left. Cuomo is not a great choice, but there is no doubt he is a better choice than a Democratic Socialist and an Islamist who really will just be the death knell of New York City. You have business leaders, Fortune 500 leaders, entrepreneurs. They are all threatening to leave. That is the tax base. They are threatening to leave. And there are no more federal handouts for this. So once the tax base flees, we're stuck with this guy.
Stephen K. Bannon
We have no. We have no ability to bet yet. We gotta bounce social media so people can follow you during the day. We'll get you back up this afternoon. Where do people go?
Jackie Torberov
Jacqueline? Yes, please come to my Instagram. Jacqueline4nyc. That's J, A, C, Q U, E, L, I, N E F O R, N, Y, C. Thank you.
Stephen K. Bannon
One of the fire breathers. Thank you, ma' am. Appreciate you. Short break.
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Matt Schlapp
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Stephen K. Bannon
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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room - Episode 4583: AI Free Reign Is A White And Blue Collar Disaster
Release Date: June 24, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Senator Josh Hawley, Matt Schlapp, Rick Grinnell, Senator Rand Paul, Alex Woyer, Jackie Torberov
Timestamp: [01:40] - [06:23]
Senator Josh Hawley opens the discussion by addressing the critical state of Medicaid in Missouri. He emphasizes that Medicaid recipients are primarily hardworking individuals who lack access to employer-provided insurance due to economic downturns caused by "globalists."
Hawley aligns his stance with President Trump’s priorities, advocating for the preservation of Medicaid while eliminating what he terms "Obama Biden garbage" from the federal budget. He criticizes the Green New Deal, urging the removal of subsidies to China and Wall Street to redirect funds towards essential services like rural hospitals.
Timestamp: [06:23] - [10:40]
The conversation shifts to the controversial inclusion of AI regulations in a comprehensive federal bill. Hawley vehemently opposes a ten-year ban on states regulating artificial intelligence, highlighting the detrimental effects on both white and blue-collar jobs.
He underscores the threat AI poses to personal rights and employment, citing examples of AI companies exploiting user data without consent and the potential for massive job losses in manufacturing and other sectors.
Hawley commits to stripping AI provisions from the bill, advocating for stronger protections for workers and individual rights against unchecked technological advancements.
Timestamp: [10:58] - [14:16]
Rick Grinnell discusses recent developments at the Kennedy Center, specifically a boycott by the cast and crew of "Hamilton" due to their alleged bias against Donald Trump. Grinnell urges listeners to cancel any tickets and withdraw financial support.
He connects this cultural boycott to broader political resistance, suggesting it’s a tactic to undermine support for Trump and his allies.
Timestamp: [16:31] - [27:28]
Senator Rand Paul joins the discussion to analyze the recent military actions involving Israel and Iran. He critiques the lack of a formal declaration of war and expresses concerns about the long-term implications of such interventions.
Paul highlights the inconsistencies in intelligence reports regarding Iran's nuclear capabilities and questions the motives behind Israel's aggressive stance.
He advocates for a restrained foreign policy, emphasizing the constitutional need for legislative oversight in matters of war.
Timestamp: [28:27] - [29:14]
Matt Schlapp raises alarms about the increasing acquisition of US farmland by Chinese entities. He points out the strategic implications for national food security and the control of critical supply chains like fertilizer and animal feed.
Schlapp urges listeners to prepare for potential disruptions by investing in emergency preparedness solutions.
Timestamp: [31:41] - [38:24]
Attorney and author Alex Woyer discusses his new book on "lawfare," detailing how legal systems are being weaponized against President Trump and his supporters. He recounts cases where ordinary Americans faced disproportionate legal battles, highlighting systemic biases.
Woyer emphasizes the threat lawfare poses to democratic principles and the separation of powers, urging vigilance against judicial overreach.
Timestamp: [38:05] - [44:01]
Jackie Torberov addresses the Democratic primary for New York City Mayor, expressing concern over the candidacy of Zoran, whom she labels as an Islamist and Democratic Socialist. She outlines his policies, which include extreme proposals like a $30 minimum wage and significant corporate tax hikes.
Torberov warns that Zoran's policies could lead to economic downfall in NYC, encouraging listeners to rally behind incumbent Andrew Cuomo to prevent what she describes as the city's "death knell."
Timestamp: [45:35] - [54:34]
Stephen K. Bannon wraps up the episode by reiterating the urgent need to address the discussed issues. He underscores the importance of protecting American jobs from AI encroachment, safeguarding national security against foreign acquisitions, and combating political and legal assaults on conservative figures.
Throughout the episode, Bannon encourages listeners to stay informed, support conservative initiatives, and take active steps to preserve American economic and political integrity.
Notable Quotes:
Josh Hawley: “These are Trump people. These are our people… we got to protect them, beginning with those rural hospitals.” ([02:45])
Josh Hawley: “We need to protect rural hospitals while cutting out the Obama Biden garbage out of this budget, beginning with the Green New Scam.” ([04:10])
Josh Hawley: “AI companies are coming for your rights. They’re coming for your job… It’s insane.” ([07:50])
Rand Paul: “I think from the Constitution point of view, he should have asked us… I would have come to a joint session of Congress and asked for a declaration of war before dropping the bombs.” ([18:05])
Alex Woyer: “The Democrats’ goal with this lawfare, it’s really to silence their opposition and to bankrupt them.” ([35:00])
Key Takeaways:
Medicaid Protection: Ensuring Medicaid remains accessible to hardworking Americans while eliminating unnecessary federal expenditures.
AI Regulation: Opposing overreaching AI regulations that threaten jobs and personal rights, advocating for worker and individual protections.
Cultural Resistance: Highlighting the politicization of the arts and urging financial disinvestment from institutions perceived as anti-conservative.
Foreign Policy Scrutiny: Critiquing the US’s military interventions and advocating for constitutional adherence in war declarations.
National Security: Addressing the strategic threats posed by foreign acquisitions of critical US farmland and supply chains.
Lawfare Awareness: Exposing the use of legal systems to undermine political opponents and stressing the importance of maintaining judicial integrity.
Political Vigilance: Encouraging active participation in local elections to prevent policies deemed detrimental to economic stability and city governance.
For more insights and detailed discussions, listen to the full episode of Bannon's War Room – Episode 4583: AI Free Reign Is A White And Blue Collar Disaster.