
Episode 4631: How The Military Manipulates Civil Affairs ...
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Donald Trump
We are going to be sending them weapons and they're going to be paying for them. We, the United States will not be having any payment made. We are not buying it, but we will manufacture it and they're going to be paying for it. Our last meeting of a month ago was very successful in that they agreed to 5% which is more than a trillion dollars a year. So they have a lot of money and these are wealthy nations, they have a lot of money and they want to do it. They feel very strongly about it and we feel strongly about it too. But we're in for a lot of. And we just, we don't want to do anymore and we can't. But we make the best and we're going to be sending the best to NATO and in some cases to maybe at Mark's suggestion if we go to Germany where they're going to send early on missiles and they'll be replaced and NATO is going to take care of it. It's going to be coordinated by NATO and they're going to work very much with Matt Whitaker, who's right here, is a great ambassador and Matt's going to be coordinator. You better do a good job, Matt. I will, but Matt's going to coordinate. He's a very, he's going to coordinate everything. So in a nutshell, we're going to make top of the line weapons and they'll be sent to NATO. NATO may choose to have certain of them sent to other countries where we can get a little additional speed where the country will release something and it will be mostly in the form of a replacement. And I'd like to have Mark and again just a highly respected pretty young guy, pretty young guy for having had the career that he's had because he had an amazing career before were going to NATO. So we spent a lot of time together over the last couple of months.
Jens Stoltenberg
This is really big. You called me on Thursday that you had taken a decision and the decision is that you want Ukraine, what it needs to have to maintain to be able to defend itself against Russia. But you do want Europeans to pay for it, which is totally logical. And this is building on the tremendous success of the NATO summit, the 5%, but also the decision to keep Ukraine's strong and decision to increase our defense industrial production. So based on that, this is, that was Europe stepping up. This is again Europeans stepping up. So I've been in contact with many countries. I can tell you at this moment Germany massively, but also Finland and Denmark and Sweden and Norway. We have Kingdom The Netherlands, Canada, they all want to be part of this. And this is only the first wave. There will be more.
Donald Trump
I do want to make one statement again. I said it before. This is not Trump's war. We're here to try and get it finished and settled and whatever, because nobody wins with this. This is a loser from every standpoint. This was Biden and this was other people. And it's very sad. It's a very sad situation. This gentleman's doing a great job. He's going to. I think he's going to get it. And Matt and everybody else that's working on it, I think he'll get this thing over with, hope the whole world. That's what happened in 1929. I said, so you're going to vote for the other side? Well, sure. I'll do what's really appropriate. You know, they're losers, but you have that really. They're grandstanders. You know, you have grandstanders and you have them in every business, and the Democrat has far fewer. They're grandstanders, but you know the one thing about them, they have bad policy. They're evil people in many ways, but they stick together. You don't have it where. You don't have. I don't want to use too many names, but you don't have a Mitt Romney in the midst who makes you suffer. You don't have some of the people that I mentioned who make it so hard. They make it so hard. And the alternative is one of two things. You're going to either get all these things and make the economy strong, or you're going to literally have perhaps a depression where you people, so rich, so beautiful, so nice to look at, will be totally busted. And let's see how long your wife stays with you. You're beautiful. She'll stay with you for about three weeks, and she'll say, darling, I can't take it anymore. I can't take it anymore, darling, I'm leaving you.
Steve Bannon
As Putin escalates further, how far are.
Mike Benz
You willing to go in response?
Donald Trump
In what?
Steve Bannon
How far are you willing to go if Putin were to escalate, send more bombs in the coming decades?
Donald Trump
Don't ask me a question like that. How far? I don't know. I want to get the war settled. They're not Americans that are dying in it. And you have a problem. And JD Has a problem. It's a stance that he's had for a long time. They're not Americans dying, but there are a lot of people dying on Something that should be able to be settled. And we all agree with that. This group of people that, you know, we want to defend our country, but, you know, ultimately having a strong Europe is a very good thing. It's a very good thing. So I'm okay with that. As president, I've ended the radical left war on faith and we're once again protecting religious freedom instead of destroying it. And God is once again welcomed back into our public square. Very important.
Lara Trump
Here's all of the consternation out there and I think he's going to want to set things right as well. So I believe that there will probably be more coming on this and I believe anything that they are able to release that doesn't, you know, damage any witnesses or anyone underage or anything like that, I believe they'll probably try to get out sooner rather than later because they hear it and they understand it. So hopefully we see that happen sooner than later and that, I guess that would be my advice. But to everybody out there who's all worked up about it, there's no great plot to keep this information away that I'm aware of. I do just believe that maybe it's been slow rolled for reasons that hopefully we understand down the line. And I think we're probably going to get more transparency on it very soon.
Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians, I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Mike Benz
War ROOM here's your host, Stephen k. Band.
Steve Bannon
Monday the 14th of July, the Riverlord 2025. That was Lara Trump with the great Benny Johnson there talking about the Epstein files. But I want to go, I got Mike Benz here. I think currently our best person that understands the apparatus that controls us. Mike, I want to start first with this morning in the, in the Oval Office. I mean this is a meeting that a couple of years ago or when I say that not during Biden's thing because he kowtowed to him and glazed them, but during Trump's first term when we fought him every day about even getting to the 2% which they committed to in 2014 when the EU and the United States State Department and NATO combined to have a color revolution, overthrow a democratically elected government in, in Ukraine, a government, by the way, that was very close to Putin. And hey, Putin may even put his in, the KGB may have put their thumb on the scale in the election. But today to see that we're going up the escalatory ladder that President Trump was pretty adamant. It's not his war, it's not Trump's war. These guys are paying for it. Right? We put in $350 billion. He's kind of saying that's it. Although there was, I think it was Margaret Brennan over CBS did report the other day, there's talking to the administration of getting back and giving financial aid in the billions of dollars on a monthly basis. I mean, what's your assessment between our intelligence services, particularly CIA's performance in the 12 Day War, which we still don't have a readout on why there was such a sense of urgency and now this, now this massive major escalation in the Ukraine war?
Mike Benz
Sir, I think the main issue in the Ukraine war is that while Trump was elected president here in the US you have the out of power shadow side of the US Government who is, I think, engaged in shadow diplomacy with the government in Ukraine. And they're turning to governments in, in Europe on the transatlantic side of it, to try to wait Trump out and not strike any deal that might involve concession of land to Russia. And so I think that they're hoping that basically if Democrats can win the house in 2026 and that they've sort of resigned themselves, I think, in a certain respect to the indomitable, you know, Trump just existing here for the next couple of years. But if they can hamstring him in Congress and if they can condition various things on, on his agenda on providing financial aid to Ukraine, they can wait out the clock as they try other levers to continue putting pressure on Russia. So Trump's sort of stuck, I think, between Iraq and a hard place.
Steve Bannon
And stuck because you've got the biggest cheerleaders for this are in the Senate. Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham. I mean, they're all in the rest of the Senate. You've got the NDAA now being negotiated totally in secret behind closed doors. Josh Hawley and other senators tell us they have no earthy idea what's going on on the defense authorization bill in the house, the America first really movement and people, you know, the MTGs of people really are non interventionists, are probably a couple of dozen handfuls. And the reason is, is that as soon as Trump's not around to drop the hammer on them, they're going to go back to just being neoliberal neoconservatives. It's pretty obvious about that, the neoconservative. And one of the reasons is the defense industry spreads so much massive money around of the trillion dollars they get. Mike Benz that's exactly right.
Mike Benz
And even within the financial aid space, the DoD has played in increasingly larger and larger percentage of the development pie. That is, you know, starting really in the George Bush era, DoD began to start to really dominate much of the aid aid relief programs. Much of this is because of the sort of dual use nature of aid to begin with. When we distribute, you know, aid to the pension workers or to the agriculture workers or to the public health care workers in Ukraine, we are trying to essentially curry favor with them to continue a U.S. military mission. And so, you know, my concern is you're shutting down USAID, but you're giving DoD the biggest budget it's ever had in its history. And given that DoD plays an active role in, you know, foreign aid, I, I could very easily see the total dollar number of aid remaining the same and simply moving it through the Pentagon, which is not, not a whole lot more transparent than usaid. When you look at the books, they've never passed an audit. By some accounts, They've lost between 500 billion and $35 trillion of unaccounted for funds.
Steve Bannon
Now, and essentially say that is that when Mo was at West Point, one of the areas that, because women weren't supposed to be in combat, but in that war in Iraq, there was combat all around you. I think it was medical services. And she went in logistics and medical services were two that were there. But the third was civic affairs.
Mike Benz
Right?
Steve Bannon
Civic affairs is a big civic affairs, a big branch of the army trust. It's huge. It's got people talking to me about civic. Tell me about even though it exists, Mo said damn thing in civic affairs. And I go, what is that? Go ahead.
Mike Benz
So civic affairs is basically how the military launders the ability to manipulate civilian politics. You know, they'll call it civil affairs. Within that you have like civil political or political, military. And this is because we have four quadrants in our sort of doctrinal approach to war, four ways to win or lose a war. You have the strategic, the tactical, the logistical and the political and Oftentimes what wins or loses a war is the political side of it. It's, you know, a lot of historians think the reason that we lost Vietnam was not because we were militarily outdone by hillside guerrillas, but because we lost the political will to do it. And so there's all sorts of. The civil affairs branch exists to essentially have the military take control or exert influence on the civilian branch of government. And it kind of inverts the entire conception of a democracy where the, you have the civilian as a commander in chief and the civilian run government, civilian run military. When the military is top down controlling the civilian affairs, then you basically have a military junta. And this is what Trump was confronted by during his whole first term was the civil affairs branch of the military laundering funds to censor the Internet. I ran into this in the Internet censorship story left, right and center. I had to become a specialist in the area because I didn't know what the hell the civil affairs branch was doing funding the censorship of the entire Trump movement.
Steve Bannon
That would be the domestic, the civil affairs funding, shutting down domestic Posse Comitatus that right. Such a sham. Mike, hang on for a second. We got a lot more to get into. The great Mike Benz joins us on a Monday of the wars and rumors of wars. Massive escalation in Ukraine. The United States not just sending stripping the Pacific of additional Patriot missiles but now going to send offensive missiles. Of course NATO's paying for them, but it's a massive escalatory move. The question is, is it going to make any difference? Also, you heard Lara Trump right there with the great Benny Johnson. I may replay that. Mike Benz has got some very specific thoughts about the information we need to come forward. If you want to get to the bottom of the Epstein situation, Mike Benz has got a solution to the problem. All next in the war room.
Donald Trump
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Lara Trump
Here's all of the consternation out there and I think he's going to want to set things right as well. So I believe that there will probably be more coming on this and I believe anything that they are able to, to release that doesn't, you know, damage any witnesses or anyone underage or anything like that, I believe they'll probably try to get out sooner rather than later because they hear it and they understand it. So hopefully we see that happen sooner than later and that I guess that would be my advice. But to everybody out there who's all worked up about it, there's no great plot to keep this information away that I'm aware of. I do just believe that maybe it's been slow rolled for reasons that hopefully we understand down the line. And I think we're probably going to get more transparent.
Steve Bannon
Okay, Lara Trump right there and she's as dialed in as you can get to the president. Mike Benson, my guest here in the war room. So John Solomon's talking about there's an investigation going on over in at FBI about and Ben's you're going to be busy for the next couple of years because this is the stuff you've been mourning the country about for a while. He's going to go there's an investigation about Crossfire Hurricane trying to stop Trump in the summer of 16 from winning. Then the nullification project and you know, the Russia hoax after he was in office all the way up to the stealing of the election and you know, the impeachment, the perfect phone call, the stealing the election, maybe even J6 and that may as early as this week have a special counsel to it. I've been strongly advocating that to get information out and to get it out as soon as possible. Maybe you put it in with the special counsel, they can start, you know, petitioning the court to unseal certain of unseal all of the the evidence and then they can make a determination how you get it out. You also have a lot of specific thoughts because you know the intelligence apparatus better than anybody. I think about Epstein and all this put it in perspective. Where do you think we are now in this and how do we kind of get out of this corner that somehow the movement, the FBI, DOJ has painted themselves into a corner on? Sir?
Mike Benz
Well, it's because Epstein was used as a sword during the campaign cycle and so can't really hold up a shield about it. I think this is something that will really dog the administration and depress Republican voter turnout in 2026 for the midterms. If people feel like their own government is participating in a cover up after complaining about the previous governments, now ostensibly we're in control. I think a lot of voters will think and if, if this doesn't change, then it shows they're in on it. I think that's what people are effectively feeling. But one of the big questions overhanging this is Epstein's role in with potential intelligence ties because that converts this from being kind of a pedophilia or child sexual trafficking story into something much darker. And that looks not like it's just protecting millionaires and billionaires, but that it's actually some apparatus within the U.S. government and potentially international governments wanted the Epstein case dead for, for their own reasons. And it's my belief that when you look at the profile of Jeffrey Epstein in his entire history coming up through Bear Stearns and then being this sort of financial bounty hunter who specialized in sheltering assets and then being a financial fixer to arrange for multimillion dollar financings of kind of boutique custom deals, that Epstein fits the profile of a CIA liaison or a cooperative contact or a CIA facilitator rather than a CIA asset. And that you will not be able to find necessarily a kind of human201 file on him, rather that it was an informal contact that, that the intelligence services reached to as a back channel to broker deals and to set up financing for various either covert action or economic deals that were deemed to be in U.S. interest. And I believe that there's also an international side to the intelligence story as well, given how many countries are involved in the sorts of affairs that Epstein Epstein's life led through. But you can't subpoena foreign governments the way you can. We have control over our own executive branch. And I think people saw Pam Bondi's response last week when she was questioned directly. Was Epstein an intelligence asset? Is what is how it was phrased to her. And she said in, in the White House at the Cabinet meeting. Well, she started answer. Then Trump jumped in and said, you don't need to answer that. She said, I'll answer it anyway. I don't know. We're looking into it. I'll get back to you. Sitting right next to her at the Cabinet meeting is John Ratcliffe, the CIA director. He says absolutely nothing. I mean, the thing stinks to high heavens that way. But what I'm trying to communicate is that it's not like the Justice Department can't do anything on this. In 2008, there was a very scandalous prosecutor plea deal given in the 2008 prosecution that was helmed by Alex Acosta. Three days after Epstein was indicted. The second time the Vicky Ward article came out that cited him as saying that, that Epstein belonged to Intelligence and he was told to leave it alone. The very next day, July 10, 2019, at a press conference, he's asked directly, did you say that Epstein was an intelligence, you belonged to Intelligence and that's why you gave him the sweetheart deal. And he kind of shuffles nervously and says, I can't answer that. I can neither confirm nor deny.
Steve Bannon
But.
Mike Benz
And then the very last piece we have on this was a formal investigation done by the Justice Department Office of Professional Responsibility, which was supposed to put this to bed. It's a 348 page report. The only disclosure that they have on, on asking Alex Acosta about the intelligence question was a random footnote. One footnote. It's footnote 244 on page 169. And they asked him if he had knowledge that Acosta was, quote, an intelligence asset. And Acosta. This is all summary description, by the way. They don't give the transcript. And they said Acosta told us the answer to that question is no, but we don't know what exactly they asked about this. And Epstein wouldn't have a 201 file on it. You can belong to Intelligence without being a formal asset. I did a study recently of 10 financial fixers that the CIA had used to fix financing for various deals. Eight out of the 10 folks never had, never had a 201 file, never were formally classified as assets. But there will still be traffic in the intelligence records. And we need to know if the Justice Department even asked because they tried to put this story to bed by saying, oh, we did this OPR report in Alex Acosta walked back what he, what he said to the Trump transition team or what he contradicted. Vicky Ward's reporting. Well, we don't know that because we never got the transcript. We got a one line summary description buried in the 244th footnote. Now that, that OPR investigation is totally sweeping. All of the audio files, all of the transcripts, all of the interviews can be made public now. OPR reported directly to Bill Barr. Bill Barr was the CIA's mop up man for Iran Contra. He started his career in the CIA. The Washington Post called him the CIA's fall guy because he blocked disclosures of CIA files. It's very possible that the intelligence angle could have been buried by Bill Barr himself. So get. Also in that OPR investigation, get all of Bill Barr's email traffic because they deleted Alex Acosta's emails on this. What that report showed was an 11 month data gap, mysterious technological glitch that deleted dog ate all of The Justice Department doj.gov emails of Alex Acosta starting May 2007, the very month that the FBI wanted to arrest Jeffrey Epstein and then Alex Acosta stepped in to stop it. We need the full details of that November 2020 report. Pam Bondi, you can walk down the hallway tonight and get those files and make them public.
Steve Bannon
And not to make the audience's head blow up anymore, but Bill Barr's father was the guy that met saw Epstein one time at a bookstore, I think And Epstein was from Coney island, had no college degree, gave him a job at one of the most prestigious boys schools in the prep schools in New York City. And from there, quote unquote, he, you know, he taught math or he was a tutor for math. And after Bill Barr's father hired him, Ace Greenberg's son, I think took Ace Greenberg, Next thing you know, he's at Bear Stearns. Next thing you know, he's a, he, he's, he's a partner. Oh, by the way, another coincidence, Bill Barr was the Attorney General that drew up the whole new charging document on, on Epstein. It was in Bill Barr's control and authority that the Bureau of Prisoners reported to that Epstein was murdered. Oh, excuse me. Committed suicide. Suicided himself. It stinks to high high heaven, does it not Mike Benz, for somebody that goes through these files all the time, this one's particularly odd.
Mike Benz
Yes, Donald Barr, Bill Barr's father, was the headmaster of the Dalton School, the one who hired Jeffrey Epstein without a college degree to be the math and physics teacher there where, you know, he then went on to Bear Stearns through Ace Greenberg the. But Donald Barr also was CIA. He started his career in the OSS and then Bill Barr is, you know, starts his career in this. It's a CIA family. It's a family of secrets. And, and Epstein, like, it's a little bit in house that the entire, you know, the key question lording over the whole. The whole plea deal was, did he belong to intelligence? And it's relegated to a single footnote. And there's no public disclosure. That was a voluntary interview. Alex Acosta gave every single question and every single twist and turn of the handling of that OPR investigation. Was there any editorial discretion done either by Bill Barr or. Or by Jeffrey Rosen, the. The deputy who would have handled the day to day in terms of asking them to do or not do various things? Now we know that the, that the incoming emails to Alex Acosta were deleted between 2007 and 2008. Would they have. Do they have the balls to have deleted them in November 2020, just a couple of years ago to purge the investigation? We need answers, and Pam Bondi does not need to run a giant labyrinth to give them to us. Make a show of good faith that you're taking this investigation seriously and make those documents public. We want the transcript around the intelligence questions. You have it. There's no excuses.
Steve Bannon
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Mike Benz
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Mike Benz
Ruling out the US Paying for some.
Sam Sorbo
From additional weapons to drawdown authority.
Jens Stoltenberg
Shall I try to answer this? Because basically what the President is saying, that he's willing, of course, taking consideration what the US Needs itself. So it's not that you can have a shopping list and you can order whatever you want because the US has to make sure that the US Keeps his hand on what US Needs also to keep the whole world safe. Because in the end, you are the police agent of the whole world. You are the most powerful nation on earth, most powerful military on earth. But given that the US has decided to indeed massively supply Ukraine with what is necessary through NATO. Europeans 100% paying for that. And what we have been doing over the last couple of days is talking with countries and I just mentioned to ones who in a first wave immediately said we want to chip. And then you were talking really talking about big numbers.
Steve Bannon
I can't stand anymore right there, Rute. And he's a slick, very cunning, very canny European politician. But that right there, you had the Davis mindset. The Davis mindset. We're the cops. You, your sons and daughters and we're paying for. We're the cops of the world. The United States keeps the world safe. You're the what? The police agent for the world? No, no, the America first. Exactly. 180 and back of that. And what's interesting to me, the most explosive thing he said all day was that because it shows you their mindset. No mainstream media clipped that at all. This is the beating heart of it. Remember EU President Trump? Let's not. Don't let it be lost on you that he's dropping a 30% tariff on these brothers on August 1st. Why? They wouldn't even negotiate with us and they've been ripping us off for years. You got two carrier battle groups down in the Red Sea fighting the Houthis.
Mike Benz
Why?
Steve Bannon
To keep. To keep the Suez canal open. That 97% of the traffic is support European trade. We're going broke. We're upside down on every trade deal. The Commercial relationships are terrible. President Trump is bringing back. That's where the terrorists. That's where we had a surplus in June of $27 billion. We were supposed to have a deficit, I think of 87 billion somewhere like that. And yet the mindset of route. And that's how they're playing you. That's how they're playing you. They still think America's the beat cop. Now if you were the beat cop and got a special deal maybe on, I don't know, trade or commercial, right? They're screwing you on that. And who bears the brunt of it? The American working man and woman. That's the whole purpose of maga, summed up right there. That arrogance of the party of Davos. Well, it's very important because, you know, you keep the world safe. Well, screw you, dude. How about you guys pick up some of the slack and the 5%. 10 years is too late. Let's get 5% now. Let's get 5% now. This is an escalatory measure that the people, you know, this is the Lindsey Graham's and the Tom Cotton's and the neocons and do not think the neocons. And they're on the payroll. They're on the payroll of the defense industry. Defense industry. They're doing an NDA in secret. Is that out there? The votes are not even recorded. You heard Hawley say that the other day. Senators don't even know what's going on.
Mike Benz
Why?
Steve Bannon
Because they're cutting the deals for the, for the defense industry. And I'm no pacifist, but baby, we got to start beating some swords into plowshares here. We have to. This is why I said this thing the other day. The deep state they are drawing us in. You see it. And mark my words, I've told the audiences over and over and over again, these crises are starting to converge. And now you're going to have the Ukraine situation start to converge with the Persian situation. And by, I don't know, let's pick a random date. Labor Day. We're at Netanyahu because, you know, he's figuring out how to get regime change there, how to draw us into that one. And the Israel first crowd is cheering him on. And of course all the neocons, you know, Lindsey Graham skipping around, hey, like Lindsey Graham making a national security policy. That sit well with you? Think he's loyal to President Trump? I think he's loyal to the MAGA movement. No, he's loyal to the defense industry. He's over there. Remember President Trump the other day saying, watch, watch what you're doing. Watch what you're saying over Ukraine. That was a couple of weeks ago. Pompeo's down in Odessa. Odessa saying we're going to take a stand in Odessa. Is that the hills? Odessa? Your sons and daughters going to die in the defense of Odessa. But think about it, because this is where we're heading. Sam Sorba joins. What we should be doing is taking care of business here. We got a massive war here in Los Angeles, in Chicago, and soon to be New York. If you don't see it, then you're not seeing what you see. Sam Sorber, for Parents Defending Demanding Justice Alliance. What are you guys demanding? Why are you coming to Washington, Sam, I know you don't like this place. Why are you here? You're going to have a press conference tomorrow. We're going to cover what is going on.
Sam Sorbo
Well, thank you for having me. And I just want to reiterate, you know, you say that we are at war here in the United States. There are various wars. One of the most important ones to me and to the American people is the war that the government waged against its own citizens, most recently with the Merrick Garland categorization of parents as domestic terrorists, which shifted the entire sort of offset of how the schools dealt with parents who disagreed with policy and with certain books that were in the classrooms or just maybe in the mask policies, and they sicked their local law enforcement and the FBI against these parents. These parents are the parents that we are now defending. Parents Demanding justice alliance is asking for an executive order from the White House to at least acknowledge that there are parents who went to bat for their kids and that we want parents who go to bat for their kids. Steve the number one predictor of academic achievement for children is parental involvement. So when a school board singles out parents and says, you are not allowed on school property or you must shut up now and we will escort you out. And they do that, and they did that to these parents. That is a school board and a school association that is actually against the parents and against the academic achievement of children. It actually is a raid against education itself. And so we are holding a press conference. We have many speakers, Congressman Ogles will be there as well as many others to talk about this, to bring attention to it and to hopefully get some traction with the White House. I'm asking the president.
Mike Benz
Yes, go ahead, Sam.
Donald Trump
Hang on.
Steve Bannon
Yeah, hang on for a second. I know Kelly Walker's working with you and some other great folks know, but here's where I stand. The parents getting involved was the expansion of the MAGA with the Make America Healthy Again and the parental rights movement merging. This is why we had. And this is why so many African American men, Hispanic families. This was part of not just the economics, but what they saw going in the culture, the parents. And the parents rights movement was so huge in our victory. I'm kind of stunned that we have to have a press conference that Sam has to fly back to D.C. how is this not already done? I mean, this seems like one of the easiest ones to do. Is there something you guys are asking for in the executive order that's so over the top that that's what's made? Because, look, I know, look, Cash and Dan Bongino and Pam, Parental rights has been at the top of the mind for those guys from the beginning. Merrick Garland, President Trump said today, Lisa, Monica Monaco is a criminal. Right. The deputy over at the FBI, which our guy Brian Costello's been telling us for a year. Is there something in the executive order that's so over the top? Is that's why you're not getting traction? Because it would seem to me this a layup.
Sam Sorbo
No, it's not. That's not it at all. And in fact, this is the first press conference. So let's not go too hard on the people who are actually on our side. I think that they. They aren't maybe aware of just how egregious the efforts of Merrick Garland's DOJ and the FBI and the individual school boards. And mind you, this is all fairly localized. So the. So the FBI was involved, but they tended to offshoot to local law enforcement. And so a lot of these people may have charges that are brought against them, may have arrests on their record, and they can't get it expunged. It's local, and so bringing it to the federal level is not going to expunge their record. But having the president at least acknowledge that this egregious targeting went on. And by the way, we need to reinstate parents, Steve. We need to make parenting great again. And Donald Trump, let's face it, he's the parent in chief, so he's perfectly situated to do this. This is an easy win for the White House, and it's an easy win for domestic policy, because we need to put parents back in the center of children's education, because that's where children. That's where the education starts. It starts in the home, and it starts with parents, and it starts with character. We've taken all of those things out of the schools and we've bifurcated the family, basically destroyed the family through our schools. We need to turn that around and we need to get parents back involved in the schools, and we need to make the school boards aware that parents should be speaking out on behalf of their children and that schools need to inform the parents and bring them in. And the fact that we are having this conversation is proof that the schools tried to subvert the parents and get stuff done under their noses without them knowing about it. And that is egregious. It is terrible, and it's child abuse.
Steve Bannon
What is a couple of things in the executive order you want, or when you say demanding justice, what are the top two or three things that we have to push for to make sure we get well?
Sam Sorbo
For one, we're looking for restitution, which is not the same as reparations. Restitution is some people, some of the people in our list of. We have a dossier that we've compiled of over 40 parents, and they represent, by the way, let's take a moment and understand that those parents represent the intimidation tactics of the federal government and the local governments against its own citizens. And that was done as a way of silencing all of the other parents who otherwise may have spoken out. So it's. So even though our dossier is full of this content, it represents a mass amount of parents across the United States. So restitution is what we're looking for. That means we want these people brought back to a net zero. That they've lost so much is not acceptable because it's the government that precipitated those losses. And they need to be brought back to whole. They need to be made whole. That's what restitution is. Then the other thing that I'm asking for, I would like President Trump to hold a ceremony to acknowledge these parents and to lift them up and to show other people this is what we look for in our parents. The way that they behaved is what we want for our parents and for our families. We need to bring the family back, Steve, or we will lose this nation.
Steve Bannon
Sam, what time tomorrow is the. Is the press conference? We're going to cover it live, but I want the audience know, particularly people that are here locally that can. That can attend. Where do people go and what time is it going to be?
Sam Sorbo
Yes, it's on the Capitol Triangle, which is. Which is at the Capitol. It will be outside. It is at 11am in the morning. You can go to realfreedomtalk.com for more information. And also if you are an aggrieved parent, if you suffered at the hands of your local government and your school board, please reach out to us because we are still compiling this dossier. We will be releasing the dossier so that the press can see some of the drastic measures that were taken against these parents who did nothing wrong but express themselves verbally and without any kind of anger or vitriol. They were just expressing their opinions and these things happened to them. This is a matter of freedom of speech and it's a matter of the 14th amendment and it's a matter of the second amendment as well. I mean this is, it's unconstitutional what happened to these parents. They need restitution and we need to set the record straight so that this never happens again.
Steve Bannon
It's outrageous. It's a great cause. 11 o' clock tomorrow, Warren be covering it live. You can go right when you go in the Capitol, I think on the, on the east side south it should be, I guess the southeast side. You can see the podium right there. So it's quite easy what they call the triangle to, to attend. So if you're in the area you want to attend, It'll be something. 11:00am Eastern Daylight Time tomorrow. We will cover it. Sam Sorbo. Thanks Sam. Where do people go to to find all the information and what is your personal Twitter account? People can follow you.
Sam Sorbo
Yeah, they can follow me at the Samsorbo but the the for all the information is realfreedomtalk.com and we are very happy that Congressman Ogles has sponsored this and also Congressman Andy Biggs will be there speaking as well. And, and we will have parents who are there speaking. We have a great lineup of speakers. This is something that is very important for the future of the United States of America to set us back on the right track. Thank you so much for covering this.
Steve Bannon
Great.
Sam Sorbo
I appreciate you.
Steve Bannon
Sam. Of course. Great speakers and some real hammers. Sam. Look forward to seeing you tomorrow. 11:00am Parents demanding justice Alliance Short break. There's a lot of talk about government debt, but after four years of inflation, the real crisis is personal debt. Seriously, you're working harder than ever and you're still drowning in credit card debt and overdue bills. You need Done With Debt and here's why you need it. The credit system is rigged to keep you trapped. Done With Debt has unique and frankly brilliant escape strategies to help end your debt fast so you keep more of your hard earned money. Done With Debt doesn't try to sell you a loan and they don't try to sell you a bankruptcy. They're tough negotiators that go one on one with your credit card and loan companies, with one goal, to drastically reduce your bills and eliminate interest and erase penalties. Most clients end up with more money in their pocket month one, and they don't stop until they break you free from debt permanently. Look, take a couple of minutes and visit donewithdebt.com talk with one of their strategists. It's free, but listen up. Some of their solutions are time sensitive, so you'll need to move quickly. Go to donewithdebt.com that's donewithdebt.com Stop the anxiety, stop the angst. Go to donewithdebT.com and do it today.
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Steve Bannon
We are not isolationists. They want to make us isolationist or pacifist or anti war. We're none of that. We're realists and we understand what's happened to this great country. We're not an empire and we never wanted to be an empire. Our founder, the revolutionary generation, broke off from an empire. They warned us about being an empire. And you see what happens when you become an empire. This is what this fight's about. And this is why I said the other day, you got to take the deep state on. And Sam Sorbo and there are, we got a hundred of these domestic issues that have to be dealt with. They have to be dealt with now. We're not going to have a country. We have enemies within and enemies without. But the enemies without don't scare me, don't concern me. I shouldn't say don't concern me. They don't scare me. We can handle even the Chinese Communist Party if we stop the enemies within from collaboration with our enemies out. And that's where we are now. It's a country under siege. We have to understand that. If you don't understand that, if you're just playing traditional politics, then you're just going to be wandering around in your. This is the thing with the Republican Party. It was controlled opposition for decades and decades and decades. That's how we got in this situation. They just got tapped along conservatives. They didn't really stand for anything. Look at all the conservatives are sitting there yammering on about Ukraine and Ukraine is getting so dangerous. It's a European problem. It's a European war. Let Europe deal with it as they can. They have the resources. They have the manpower. They don't have the will. What does that Tell you we're supposed to come in and provide that because that's really what they're asking for. This is not just about weapons. This is about will and all the flag waving. Your sons and daughters are going to be defending Odessa. What do you think Patton would say about that? What do you think Montgomery would say about that? What would Eisenhower or General Marshall or Chester Nimitz or Bull Halsey? What would they say about that? Are you nuts? Are you crazy? We're going to get involved in the bloodlands where the Germans and the Russians bled themselves out and it's a cursed region of the world. It is some of the worst, most horrific things in world history have happened there. That is not America. Our folks left all that and came here. You're being sucked back into things that generations of Americans left behind for good reason. We have to fight this. We have to fight this. We're not going to have a country. We're coming back and we're coming back in a big way. But every day you must focus on the actions we have to do to sort this mess out. Just look at, look at the major cities of the country. You don't control them. And you're about to lose the crown jewel. You're going to lose the crown jewel to Zorhan. And there's a man other of him. There's a main of those guys that the source of the world have promoted. It's not just Obama or Zorhan. It's a Mandami. They got a million backups on that. This is where the country is. That has to, that boil has to be Lance. It has to be Lance. Now turbulence. You're going to see turbulence like you can't believe. We're so far from being through this thing and there's quite frankly a lot of people in the MAGA movement walking around fat, dumb and happy that hey, this is all great. It's not. When you see what the reality is of where we are and where we have to go and you're not going to have President Trump forever. Even when we get him in the ability to run in 28, you're not going to have him forever. Eventually you're going to have to stand up in your own two feet and get it done yourself. 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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room – Episode 4631: How The Military Manipulates Civil Affairs
Release Date: July 15, 2025
In Episode 4631 of Bannon's War Room, titled "How The Military Manipulates Civil Affairs," host Stephen K. Bannon engages in a deep dive into the intricate relationship between the U.S. military and civilian governance. The episode features prominent voices, including former President Donald Trump, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, Lara Trump, Steve Bannon, political analyst Mike Benz, activist Sam Sorbo, and entrepreneur Mike Lindell. Discussions span topics from military strategy and international conflicts to domestic political maneuvering and allegations of governmental manipulation.
The episode opens with former President Donald Trump addressing the United States' role in supplying weapons to NATO allies. Trump emphasizes that the U.S. will manufacture top-tier weapons without bearing the financial burden, stating:
"We are going to be sending them weapons and they're going to be paying for them... we are making the best and we're going to be sending the best to NATO."
(00:00)
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg responds by highlighting the collective European commitment to defense funding, citing the successful attainment of the 5% GDP defense spending target:
"This is building on the tremendous success of the NATO summit, the 5%,... there will be more."
(01:41)
Trump reiterates his stance on the war not being his conflict, attributing responsibility to previous administrations:
"This is not Trump's war. We're here to try and get it finished and settled... this was Biden and this was other people."
(02:32)
The discussion shifts to the escalating situation in Ukraine. Steve Bannon questions Trump's potential response to further Russian aggression, to which Trump expresses a desire to resolve the conflict without additional American casualties:
"Don't ask me a question like that. How far? I don't know. I want to get the war settled... having a strong Europe is a very good thing."
(04:24)
Mike Benz provides analysis on the Ukraine war's complexities, suggesting internal U.S. governmental factions are influencing policy:
"The main issue in the Ukraine war is... engaged in shadow diplomacy with the government in Ukraine."
(08:33)
Steve Bannon and Mike Benz further critique the influence of neoconservatives and the defense industry on U.S. foreign policy, emphasizing the secrecy surrounding defense authorization negotiations:
"And you have the biggest cheerleaders for this are in the Senate... they're on the payroll of the defense industry."
(10:33)
A significant portion of the episode delves into the manipulation of civil affairs by the military. Steve Bannon discusses the Civic Affairs branch, asserting it serves as a means for the military to influence civilian governance:
"Civic affairs is a big civic affairs, a big branch of the army trust... it's a military junta."
(12:07)
Mike Benz expands on this by explaining how civil affairs operations undermine democratic principles, using historical contexts like the Vietnam War to illustrate the critical role of political will in conflict outcomes:
"Civic affairs is basically how the military launders the ability to manipulate civilian politics... you have a military junta."
(12:25)
The conversation shifts to the controversial Jeffrey Epstein case, with Mike Benz presenting theories on Epstein's potential connections to U.S. intelligence agencies. Bannon and Benz suggest that Epstein may have served as an informal liaison for the CIA, facilitating covert operations without formal classification:
"Epstein fits the profile of a CIA liaison... more transparent than USAID."
(18:40)
Benz criticizes the Justice Department's handling of the Epstein investigation, highlighting inconsistencies and potential cover-ups:
"The OPR investigation is totally sweeping... make those documents public."
(22:38)
Trump interjects historical connections between Epstein and the Barr family, insinuating deep-rooted ties to intelligence operations:
"Bill Barr's father... hired him, Ace Greenberg's son... Epstein was a criminal."
(25:28)
Activist Sam Sorbo introduces the Parents Demanding Justice Alliance, advocating for executive action to counteract governmental overreach in schools. Sorbo outlines grievances against the Department of Justice and local law enforcement's targeting of parents, emphasizing the need for parental involvement in education:
"We're asking for restitution... bring the family back, Steve. We will lose this nation."
(40:19)
Steve Bannon and Sorbo discuss the upcoming press conference scheduled for the Capitol Triangle, urging listeners to support the movement and attend the event:
"11:00am Eastern Daylight Time tomorrow... RealFreedomTalk.com for more information."
(41:40)
Sorbo clarifies that the movement seeks restitution and formal acknowledgment of parental rights infringements:
"This is a matter of freedom of speech... unconstitutional what happened to these parents."
(42:55)
Steve Bannon addresses the geopolitical shift with the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) aiming to replace the U.S. dollar as the global reserve currency. He warns listeners of the potential devaluation of the dollar and promotes investing in precious metals as a hedge:
"BRICS objectives move decisively from a theoretical possibility towards inevitable reality... Text Bannon to 989-898."
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He underscores the significance of the upcoming BRICS summit in Rio de Janeiro, labeling it as a pivotal moment for the global economy.
Bannon highlights concerns over Chinese investment in U.S. farmland and critical supply chains, asserting that China's control threatens global food production. He urges listeners to prepare for potential disruptions by promoting emergency preparedness solutions:
"The Chinese have been buying up hundreds of thousands of acres of U.S. farmland... Go to my patriotsupply.com today."
(28:19)
Throughout the episode, Bannon intersperses calls to action, encouraging listeners to engage in various initiatives, attend political events, and invest in financial safety measures. He emphasizes the perceived threats from both international actors and internal governmental manipulation, rallying the audience to take proactive steps to safeguard national sovereignty and personal freedoms.
Military-Civilian Dynamics: The U.S. military's influence over civilian governance is portrayed as a threat to democratic principles, with strategic operations aimed at manipulating political outcomes.
International Conflicts: The U.S. seeks to balance its role in international conflicts, particularly in Ukraine, while critiquing internal and external influences that drive military engagement.
Intelligence Operations: Allegations suggest that figures like Jeffrey Epstein may have had covert ties to intelligence agencies, indicating deeper layers of governmental manipulation.
Domestic Movements: The Parents Demanding Justice Alliance advocates for greater parental involvement in education and seeks restitution for governmental overreach.
Economic Shifts: The rise of BRICS nations poses a challenge to the U.S. dollar's dominance, prompting calls for investment in stable assets like gold.
Agricultural Security: Concerns over foreign ownership of U.S. farmland and supply chains highlight vulnerabilities in national food security.
Notable Quotes:
Donald Trump on NATO Funding:
"We are going to be sending them weapons and they're going to be paying for them... we're in for a lot of."
(00:00)
Jens Stoltenberg on European Commitment:
"This is again Europeans stepping up... there will be more."
(01:41)
Steve Bannon on Civics Affairs:
"Civil affairs branch exists to essentially have the military take control or exert influence on the civilian branch of government."
(13:55)
Mike Benz on Epstein and Intelligence:
"Epstein fits the profile of a CIA liaison... there will still be traffic in the intelligence records."
(18:40)
Sam Sorbo on Parental Rights:
"We need to make parenting great again... Schools need to inform the parents and bring them in."
(36:59)
Steve Bannon on BRICS and the Economy:
"The Rio reset in July marks a pivotal moment... diversify your savings into gold is right for you."
(15:00)
This summary encapsulates the key discussions and viewpoints presented in Episode 4631 of Bannon's War Room, providing listeners and interested parties with a comprehensive understanding of the episode's content without the need to access the full transcript.