Episode 4635: Where We Stand Heading Into 2026 And The Midterms

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room – Episode 4635: Where We Stand Heading Into 2026 And The Midterms

Release Date: July 16, 2025
Host: WarRoom.org – Stephen K. Bannon
Description: WAR ROOM: Pandemic is the first and most comprehensive program to bring the most up-to-the-minute information on the news of the day. Stephen K. Bannon brings medical experts, politicians, business leaders, and those on the front lines for a comprehensive look at the latest news from all angles and provides their insider insights.

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1. Geopolitical Landscape and U.S. Involvement in Foreign Conflicts

The episode opens with a discussion between Stephen K. Bannon and former President Donald Trump regarding Russia’s ongoing conflict. Trump criticizes President Biden for initiating the war, labeling it "Biden's war" and emphasizes his efforts to end it to save American lives.

Notable Quote:

• Donald Trump [00:03]: "Why did Biden get us into that ridiculous war? Why did Biden bring us there? That should never, ever have happened, that war. This is Biden's war. I'm just trying to end it because we're saving a lot of lives."

Trump highlights the logistical aspects of U.S. involvement, mentioning the shipment of Patriot missiles from Germany and the financial arrangements with NATO and the European Union.

Notable Quote:

• Donald Trump [00:29]: "They're coming in from Germany and then replaced by Germany. And in all cases, the United States gets paid back in full."

He underscores the human cost by citing recent casualties, emphasizing that American soldiers are not directly involved in the conflict.

Notable Quote:

• Donald Trump [01:35]: "We won't have boots on the ground. But It's a shame. 5,000 last week. They say 7,100 soldiers, both Russian and Ukraine, were killed."

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2. Internal Political Narratives: The Jeffrey Epstein Case

The conversation shifts to the Epstein case, where Trump expresses bafflement over his supporters' continued interest in the story, labeling it as "boring" and attributing the sustained attention to "fake news" outlets.

Notable Quote:

• Donald Trump [01:42]: "I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. It's pretty boring stuff. It's sordid, but it's boring."

Other panel members, including Steve Cortes and Richard Barris, respond by criticizing the ongoing media focus and expressing frustration over the lack of accountability.

Notable Quotes:

• Steve Cortes [02:40]: "This is the primal scream of a dying regime."
• Tom Fitton [03:08]: "I wish that any of these people had a conscience."

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3. Polling Accuracy and the Republican Strategy for 2026 Midterms

A significant portion of the episode delves into the accuracy of polling amidst the upcoming 2026 midterms. Stephen K. Bannon discusses the formation of the National Association of Independent Pollsters, highlighting the challenges traditional polling faces in the Trump era.

Notable Quote:

• Stephen K. Bannon [05:42]: "If we're not accurate, there is no trust. And without George Gallup's vision completely falls apart."

Bannon emphasizes the importance of methodological rigor, such as larger sample sizes and consistent demographic targeting, to mitigate response biases that have plagued recent polls.

Notable Quote:

• Stephen K. Bannon [09:19]: "Bigger is better in polling."

Richard Barris and Mark Mitchell discuss discrepancies in polling data, particularly how recent economic successes under Trump are not reflected in public opinion polls. They attribute this to ineffective messaging and preoccupation with unpopular foreign interventions overshadowing domestic achievements.

Notable Quote:

• Stephen K. Bannon [11:35]: "All that matters is the optics and what the voters see in their sentiment and how they feel."

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4. Redistricting and Demographic Shifts in Key States

Alex DeGrasse provides an in-depth analysis of redistricting efforts in Texas and Ohio, focusing on how demographic shifts, particularly among Hispanic voters, are influencing electoral outcomes. He outlines strategic seat changes that could benefit Republicans by leveraging areas where Trump has strong support.

Notable Quotes:

• Alex DeGrasse [21:15]: "This is logical. We have to force the issue and make advancements however we can."
• Alex DeGrasse [22:48]: "You can move Texas 7 from Democrat 20 to Republican 20."

DeGrasse discusses the dual fronts of redistricting, addressing both statewide and suburban areas, and the challenges posed by Democratic gerrymandering practices in states like California and New York.

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5. Investigating the Deep State and Intelligence Community Corruption

The episode takes a critical turn towards the intelligence community and the so-called "deep state." Tom Fitton discusses the newly released CIA report, alleging that the Obama administration orchestrated efforts to undermine Trump through the Steele dossier and other means.

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Fitton [34:56]: "This was all done at the top down. This was not an intelligence community assessment about the impact of Russia on the elections."
• Tom Fitton [38:22]: "President Trump should run the investigations and the prosecutions directly from the White House."

Fitton argues for a direct presidential oversight of investigations into intelligence agencies to ensure accountability and transparency, criticizing the current Justice Department's handling of these matters.

Notable Quote:

• Tom Fitton [42:57]: "This is one of the broadest grassroots movements against government corruption in the history of the country."

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6. Efforts to Repeal NEA Charter and Education Policy

Congressman Mark Harris discusses his initiative to repeal the National Education Association (NEA) charter, aiming to dismantle what he perceives as the organization's drift towards political activism rather than focusing on quality education.

Notable Quotes:

• Mark Harris [49:48]: "Energy ... parenting involvement. They are brainwashing our children with the things that they are propagating through their political activities."
• Mark Harris [50:32]: "We need to step up and say they don't need this charter."

Harris ties this effort to broader concerns about indoctrination in public schools, advocating for a return to core educational values centered on academic excellence without political bias.

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7. Conclusion and Upcoming Events

Stephen K. Bannon wraps up the episode by previewing upcoming events, including a press availability with the President and the Prime Minister of Bahrain. He reiterates the importance of accurate polling, effective communication of economic successes, and strategies to galvanize the Republican base ahead of the midterms.

Notable Quote:

• Stephen K. Bannon [20:32]: "We're everywhere but the best places on locals. Peoplespundent.locals.com you'll find, you know, inside the numbers there."

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Final Remarks:

Episode 4635 of Bannon’s War Room provides a comprehensive overview of the current political and geopolitical landscape as the U.S. heads toward the 2026 midterms. Key topics include criticism of Biden's foreign policies, the contentious Epstein case, challenges in polling accuracy, strategic redistricting in pivotal states, concerns over deep state influences, and efforts to reform educational institutions. The episode underscores the necessity for the Republican Party to refine its messaging and mobilize its base to navigate the complex political terrain ahead.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Putin another 50 days. It seems like he's had a lot of time.

[Donald Trump]

I don't think it's. I don't think it's a long time. I think really the question should be asked, why did Biden get us into that ridiculous war? Why did Biden bring us there? That should never, ever have happened, that war. This is Biden's war. I'm just trying to end it because we're saving a lot of lives.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Why do you think his opinion will.

[Donald Trump]

Change in 50 days when it hasn't over the last. Oh, a lot of opinions change very rapidly. Might not be 50 days. Might be much sooner than 50 days.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

When do you think the first Patriot missiles, some of these weapons that are.

[Donald Trump]

Out, they're already being shipped from what countries? They're coming in from Germany and then replaced by Germany. And in all cases, the United States gets paid back in full. So what's happening, as you know, is the European Union, if you look mostly European Union stuff, but let's put it in the form of NATO, it's very similar. But NATO is going to pay us back for everything. In some cases, we're going to be paid back by countries of the European Union directly, but we're always getting our money back in full. So we're not going to have any more investment to make. We're getting our money back in full. And if we can make a deal, that'd be great. We're saving five or six thousand soldiers a week. They're Russian and they're Ukrainian soldiers. They're not American soldiers. And we won't have boots on the ground. But It's a shame. 5,000 last week. They say 7,100 soldiers, both Russian and Ukraine, were killed.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

People to move on. But I'm curious, why do you think your supporters in particular have been so interested in the Epstein story?

[Donald Trump]

I don't understand about how it's been handled. I don't understand it, why they would be so interested. He's dead for a long time. He was never a big factor in terms of life. I don't understand what the interest or what the fascination is. I really don't. And the credible information has been given. Don't forget we went through years of the Mueller witch hunt and all of the different things to steal dossier, which was all fake. All that information was fake. But I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. It's pretty boring stuff. It's sordid, but it's boring. And I don't understand why it keeps going I think really only pretty bad people including fake news want to keep something like that going. But credible information, let them give it. Anything that's credible, I would say let them have it.

[Steve Cortes]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything.

[Richard Barris]

In the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it.

[Steve Cortes]

It's going to happen.

[Alex DeGrasse]

And where do people like that go.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Tom Fitton]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Cortes]

Ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

War ROOM here's your host Stephen k. Band.

[Richard Barris]

Wednesday 16th July Year of the Lord 2025 I believe we're going to have a press avail with the President Starting at 11 I think the head of Bahrain is going to be there which used to be the old naval where the naval base was in the Persian Gulf or I guess now called the Arabian Gulf. He's going to they're going to have a bilat and before the bilat start we're hearing that there's going to be a press avail we'll be covering that live our own Brian Glenn will be there so we'll cut into 11 o' clock arbors should be some fascinating things going on. A lot of geopolitics capital markets today Financial Times of London has finally admitted that our tariff policy is working. They said no one except for the Chinese really has kind of punched back on it. This is why either one or two things are happening. People are trying to set up operations here in the United States to manufacture and investing here or we're turning the cash and I think they say 50 billion people are talking about 110 billion in tariff revenues but so a lot of talk about economy and tariffs a day that are working I want to start with also we're going to now kick off talking about the midterms and particularly as we did it last time in the way we won you got to really think through are these districts correct? And the great Alex Degrasse will join us shortly to talk about Texas and Ohio. I want to go to Richard Barris first off Richard we had Mark Mitchell last night on from from Rasmus and he talked about I want to start with you, you talked about a new coalition or a new alliance that you and Mitchell are working on to make sure that we get as accurate as polling as possible. You guys and the other people I think you're bringing in have a history of understanding the MAGA movement, of how to ask the questions, of how to look at the demographics, how to break it down. Tell us about that. First, we want to make sure the audience understands this is a big effort of people that are the top pollsters and really have been shunted by the mainstream media, but are really much more accurate in pinpointing at any point in time where MAGA is and in particular, where the country is aligned with maga. So walk us through the alliance first.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, thanks for having me, as always, Steve. And I mean, you just said it. That word, accurate. I mean, that's what this comes down to. We started the National association, association of Independent Pollsters because in the last 10 years plus, you know, the polling industry has had issues for, for a while. It's just really exacerbated in the Trump era. We've had all these debates about how the polling industry has changed and how it has evolved. But sadly, a lot of people have used those debates to, you know, malign and, and others and to bury what really matters, which is the accuracy of public pollsters, though that is our true value to the public. And if we're not accurate, there is no trust. And without George Gallup's vision completely falls apart. Why would elected officials listen to us, Steve, when they're debating whether or not to support public policy? Why would the voters trust us at all when it comes to our take on. On who is or isn't ahead or going to win an election? I mean, it becomes a weapon, you know, a tool for. For people, you know, with sinister motives. And there isn't a group out there, until now, there isn't a group that serves as a bit of a gauge for the American public and for lawmakers to say, look, these people have got it right. These people know what they're doing, you know, motive be damned. It doesn't matter what the motive is, Steve. All that matters is that they were right or they were wrong. So somebody needs to be there to serve as that gauge, to be able to tell people, you can trust the results of these pollsters or you can't. And that's what we started. It's. It's big. I'm excited about. It includes myself, Mark Mitchell at Rasmussen, Robert Kahalia Trafalgar, and Matt Towery. Over at Insider Advantage, you have got to have a long and proven track record of success and accuracy. We all get it wrong sometimes, right? I mean, that's going to happen. But you cannot be wrong every election cycle in cycle out beyond the rule of outlier. You have to be accurate. And this has been a challenging period for polling. And, and if you've done a good job during this period, the Trump era, Nana, then hands off, you know, hats off to you and you know, welcome aboard.

[Richard Barris]

So it's Rasmussen, Trafalgar, Richard Barris, Big Data and Insider Advantage once again. What was the criteria for selecting the four foundational members of this.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You have to have a track record, a published track record of accuracy over a period of time. You know, there's a lot of, I have a saying and I think viewers need to, to take this to heart. In this era, there are a whole lot of polls, but there aren't as many pollsters. You know, we have too many polls, not enough pollsters. There's a new poll popping up every week, Steve. And you know, when this industry got kicked off, that was not the case. It was Gallup, maybe a couple of news organizations did their thing. But, you know, George Gallup had the gold standard and for decades we dealt with that. And the information era has its benefits, but it also has, you know, it also has its downsides, and that's one of them. The springing up of pollsters cycle in and cycle out who then vanish later come back under a new assumed name, Steve, because their track record was awful the year prior or their cycle prior. And there's nobody watching out for this while there is now. And that's the point of this project.

[Richard Barris]

Yours, your big data. You have a different angle of attack on, on poll. The other three are more traditional in the George Gallup school. Obviously they feel they're more precise, they.

[Steve Cortes]

Have a track record.

[Richard Barris]

But you come at this totally differently. Walk our audience through that. What's the difference?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, I'm a big believer that a lot of public polls, you know, of course there are people who are malicious out there, and that's sad, but it is the reality. But I got, I got into this years ago and immediately, you know, my, my shtick was that response bias was the primary determination of a lot of these wrong calls. It was the primary factor. So it's not that public opinion shifts as much as people thinks it think it does or what public, you know, if you follow public polls month and month, it looks like public opinion is moving a lot in truth, most of the time, not all of the time, but most of the time the difference is really because the pollster is talking to different groups of people. And those changes and those, those errors are really artifacts of how the poll is designed and how the poll is, is conducted and how the data is collected. There are various forms of response biases and very few pollsters understand how to identify them. And then to shield against it, if you do identify it. And big data is basically built off of the assumption that that is true, which I know it is. We all, we all do. Now, when I first started to argue that it wasn't widely understood. It is now. But there are, and I don't want to give away the secret sauce here, but if you look at larger numbers of people in the era of declining response rates, if you look at larger numbers of people and you make sure you know exactly who you're talking to month in and month out, then it's, you know, bigger is better in polling. Let me put it that way. All right. Without giving away too much, bigger is better. So that's why that, that reflects our name.

[Richard Barris]

Talk to me about you've done. We had Mark Mitchell on last night. He was pretty adamant about these numbers recently. President Trump, who should be peaking given all the, you know, President Trump today went through a whole litany of successes and they're pretty extraordinary. We're also folks covering, talking the OMB guys covering this, which could be a significant vote in the Senate about shutting down or basically defunding PBS and NPR a billion dollars each, plus the rest of the package, the rescissions package. So he's got victory after victory. But the poll numbers don't show that. Right. What, at least with Mark Mitchell, Rasmussen, what do you show?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

He's, he's exactly right. This should be a period, especially during the summer, where Americans, they're doing their own thing. They're really only paying attention to big news items. The passage of that bill is a big news item. Within the bill, there are a lot of popular provisions. But the White House did lose the messaging war on this bill. I mean, it's very clear. And that's the press release we have out today will show that and we're also releasing more. I'll talk to you about those results now. We also asked about the, the economy and various items in the economy and what the president's been focusing on and the, the overall theme, Steve, is this. A lot of his successes are being stepped on or overshadowed by unpopular things that are going on. Fair or not is Irrelev. All that matters is the optics and what the voters see in their sentiment and how they feel. And they feel that the president should have been, I mean, let me put it this way, 60 years, best wage growth in 60 years being stepped on by another intervention in the Middle east that very few people wanted any part of whatsoever. We had a lot of other economic data. Then the bill gets passed, right. And it's just one thing after another that is not being celebrated and not being touted. Democrats were able to make a lot of people concerned over cuts to Medicaid and, and other programs in the big beautiful bill. And in order to effectively rebut the messaging from the Democrats, you had to be laser focused. But they were not laser focused. They were talking about this with Netanyahu, this one with that one. Now we're going to arm Ukrainians. I mean, Steve, I don't have to explain this to you and I'm doing this for the benefit of the viewers. I mean, this is not popular. These things are not popular. Tax on tips. No tax on tips is popular. Right. Last weekend was the anniversary of Donald Trump surviving an assassination attempt. This should have been a day of celebration. Instead it was being stepped on by how they mishandled the more than that, not only how they mishandled the Epstein situation, but then how they actually started to browbeat. But voters for being anyone who was concerned over how, you know, they mishandled this. So the bottom line is, you know, you can't keep peeling off little parts of your base and then expect your numbers to stay strong. You know, you're going to keep peeling five years, five there and end up in a bad spot.

[Richard Barris]

Can you. And you can end up with apathy and complacency. Hang on for one second. We'll hold you through the break. Is your, the general thesis is that his accomplishments on the economic side are, are so powerful and if you look at the underlying data, the messaging is not there to put that to the forefront and the message discipline is there meandering all over other things that, that people didn't vote for or confused about. Is that the central, your central thesis.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Steve? That's the gist of it, 100%.

[Tom Fitton]

Okay, hang on.

[Richard Barris]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Richard Barris]

Okay, we got Degrasse about Texas on deck and we got Tom Fitton about the CIA and this, hopefully this huge investigation that's going to be going on and maybe kick off with a special counsel. Finn will join us here shortly. I want to finish with Richard Barris. I mean Barris isn't the problem that you know, you have the core base of MAGA and particularly these people, they come out for Trump, they're, they're associated with the Trump movement, they support President Trump. But if they get cynical, if they get complacent, if they get apathetic and don't turn out, we have a massive problem in 2026 and beyond. Right? This is one of the reasons I've been hey Trump 28 because we have not yet proven we can turn out certain low propensity, low information voters unless President Trump's on top of the ticket. What are your thoughts and particularly about what this, what your polling shows you?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Too few voters, I mean too few Republicans understand that. Too few people in this space understand that this the Number one priority for the Republican Party had to be to get the voter that they voters. There are several groups that they underperform with compared to Donald Trump. They have to bring them into the fold. Some of them haven't even been flirting with voting Republican. They left spaces blank in districts like California 13 where Duarte went down, but Donald Trump carried the district.

[Steve Cortes]

Right.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You look at statewide races like Mike Rogers, he went down with Trump on the ballot, Steve. So the situation for them is a little bit more dire than they understand. The redistricting effort did not go well and that's why the ones that are in process right now moving forward are that important. Because as it stands right now, the voter groups where Donald Trump is now himself starting to hurt with those are the ones that Republicans need to bring into the fold. And just from the polling this month, month, here are a couple of groups that need to, need to really stand out in people's minds. 18 to 29 who voted for Donald Trump, though some of his biggest decline this month came from that group, Hispanic men. All right, the groups where he did increase are kind of funny, Steve. Those who have a four year degree or more. Right. And that's great, perfect. That help offset some of the decline with corn with his core voter and his 24 base. But it doesn't matter because they're still voting Democrat at the generic ballot by 10 points. So I mean it just, just, it's like a pointless bump that's going to evaporate in a month or two anyway even if it lasts that long. They're just happy he bombed Iran for now, to be honest, and they'll go back to disapproving of him and what will be left is a weakened base and that is something that people aren't understanding while they're again, you know, attempting to browbeat all of these different groups into submission. 18 to 29 year olds don't care about what's going on all the way around the other side of the world. They didn't vote for him for that. I mean it's just the reality that people are going to have to start to face, you know, moving. Look what happened in 22. Republicans actually did win the House vote in 22, but they still lost control, you know, going forward in 24. There were very important areas from California to New Jersey, all around the country. New York seats in New York state where Donald Trump outperformed the Republicans down ballot. They're simply out of time. They can't afford to continue to carry on with business as usual. They, they had to convince these voters that they were becoming more like Donald Trump, not that Donald Trump was becoming more like them. They're out of time. I mean, so there are all these people, you know, the clapping seals and the rest of them. They're going to clap their way right into an utter defeat. I mean, that, that's, that's the reality. I mean, I'm not a sugarcoater. You know me better than that, Steve. That is the situation. And by the way, this month, Democrats took lead on the generic ballot for the first time in our polling since Donald Trump's second presidency began.

[Richard Barris]

Barris, where can people go to get all your analysis and everything over big Data and hear your podcast where they go?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We're everywhere but the best places on locals. Peoplespundent.locals.com you'll find, you know, inside the numbers there. You'll find it all there. The public polling project, which is how we do this, which is support from you guys on big data. Poll.com go check it out. But Locals is definitely the central hub for all things People's Pundit. Peoplespundant.locals.com.

[Tom Fitton]

There it is.

[Steve Cortes]

Richard Barris.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you, brother.

[Richard Barris]

Appreciate you start starting off the show today. Fantastic.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Anytime. All the best.

[Richard Barris]

Alex DeGrasse. Alex DeGrasse, given that we're focused on Texas in Ohio, is this a, is this a, is this a bailout plan because we're nervous about 2026, or is this something logical we should be doing anyway?

[Alex DeGrasse]

Sir, this is, this is logical. I mean, we have to force the issue and make advancements however we can and play the Democrats game. Of course, Steve, we want fair lines, but we want to take advantage of the law and, you know, equal representation. And so if there's the legal way to do this, then obviously, why wouldn't we? Of course. Right. We have an obligation to the country to ensure that we make the gains that we can legally. And so you're looking at two, maybe they could force the issue to three. My advice would be take what we can get and not try to overextend where you might get jammed in court. I think that those that have kind of gamed out the arms race on this, people that are very focused on this within the party have gamed out that, hey, actually, this, if we fight this out, you've got California looking to make a move. I'm sure you'll see New York, other folks that, you know, they had been so aggressive in the past that there's less they could probably squeeze than we can so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. But we're looking at five in Texas, of course. I was looking at some proposed maps that give us 30 seats where Trump won by 20 plus in Texas, and you'd flip five, giving the Democrats eight seats.

[Richard Barris]

Hold it, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. You were looking at there's 20 potential. You're saying there's 20 potential in Texas, 20 potential that could be redistricted, or.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Is that five pickups where Trump won by 20%. So, you know, say, okay, got it, guy.

[Richard Barris]

Five pickups.

[Alex DeGrasse]

You've got Texas seven.

[Richard Barris]

Do you have any idea?

[Alex DeGrasse]

Yep, yeah, I've got the numbers. You can move Texas 7 from Democrat 20 to Republican 20. You can move Texas 28 from Republican 7 to Republican 21 very easily without drawing any incumbents in with each other. You can move Texas 29 from a Democrat 20 to Republican 20, give or take. Same thing with Texas 32, Democrat 23 to Republican, like 25 even. And you can move Texas 34 from being a Trump by four points to like 21. And then you could shore up some of these seats, 15, 23, 24 that were about, you know, Trump by 16. You can move them up four or five points. You'll leave Democrats with two seats in Houston, two seats in Dallas, two seats in Austin, a seat in San Antonio and El Paso.

[Richard Barris]

You have this. The question I was going to ask you see the, the demographic shift of Hispanic citizens supporting Mag and supporting Trump. Is this taking advantage of that in South Texas, Grand Valley, or is this realignment mainly in the suburbs around the big cities?

[Alex DeGrasse]

Sir, it's both. So, I mean, the Hispanic shift, you know, has been aggressively ongoing, obviously from the last time we did the redistricting. You know, I mean, what was it, a 30 point swing? I think nowhere in the country moved more towards President Trump broadly. You've got the Bronx and you've got South Texas, so both areas heavily with Hispanic voters, obviously, South Texas fully. And so for the most part, of course. And so that's exactly right, Steve. So it's both fronts. I mean, you're able to move the numbers here all over the place. But you see newsoms out there because it's interesting, Steve, because the way the Democrats have done it in their states is they. And we talked about on the show, they've got these community boards and these sort of quote unquote independent groups, and, you know, it's harder for them to try to combat this. Right. And of course, they've been gerrymander. You look at Illinois, you look at California, you look at New York and all these things. But they have to change their processes. So Newsom said, hey, I'll take it to the voters, we'll do a referendum, change the rules, allow the state legislator to gerrymander. You know, that obviously would be problematic, but that seems to be a little bit of a longer process. So at least it might be a short term buffer for us and maybe a longer term battling it out. But protecting President Trump from of course they're open about it. They'll impeach him and they'll slow everything down with investigations. We have to prevent this at all costs. I don't think anyone's worried about things. Poll numbers go up, they go down. It's very early. You know, certainly it's incumbent on Republicans to sell the big beautiful bill. And you know the positives in it for New York, largest tax increase, tax cut ever. You know, no tax on tips, Social Security, a lot of child care provisions. That poll very well. So all Republicans and I know many of them watch the show, members of Congress, my humble advice, get out there, talk about the economic issues and the results and contrast that with the Democrats results on immigration.

[Richard Barris]

We started, they had, they had, you know, they've had a day with the congressman, the guys in the House to finally start talking about the big beautiful bill. We had Jane Zirkel and Yesterday in the 6 o' clock show we played 21 straight minutes of interview, bang, bang, bang. And she was asking what's the best, what's the one still work? They all said, hey, we have to have more rescissions, we have to more cuts in spending. But they talked up the economic advantages. You just heard Barris and Mitchell would say the same thing. Outside this self owner, this fumble with Epstein, it's the economic message that's very powerful. And you see this in the data. Whether it's the tariffs or real wages increasing, it's not being sold aggressively enough. If that if they get on the tip of the, if they start driving that and talk about where this economy's going and the economics of it, it's a message that clearly is going to resonate particularly with the type of people we have to get out there. But I just want to reiterate something you said because I think the Republicans and even the MAGA base are fooling themselves in this. If you look at what's happening in New York City, right, which is the future of the Democratic Party, right. Particularly the working people's Party and dsa, the ground game they have, and I think this thing in New York City is very serious. They're not just going to impeach Trump. They're going to come after criminal charges on everybody.

[Steve Cortes]

These people are.

[Richard Barris]

This is a combination of neo Marxism meets radical jihad. And they're the exact opposite end of the spectrum of the MAGA movement. Sir, your thoughts?

[Alex DeGrasse]

Yeah, you know, I talked about that on the show. I think it was right before I got married. But I've never had more feedback from people. I mean, literally, I got so many texts from people that watched it. We did a kind of a deep dive on Mom. Dummy. You know, they're not building this army, Steve, and sending them home. You don't build a political machine like this, and then you take the mayorship for the Communists, and then you say, okay, everyone, let's. Let's go home. They are building this. And it wasn't just in the city. Buffalo, Albany, I mean, cities upstate. You have red, fully communist type people, DSA folks that are winning in their primaries. And I think that's really important for people to understand. We have to be aware of what our political opponents are. And they're backed by the ccp. I mean, this stuff is crazy. We could talk about it all day. And they are coming for all of us. Not just, of course, the president, but any of those and the lovers of power that have stood in the breach. They will punish all of us. They are dangerous people, I believe. Of course.

[Richard Barris]

Yeah, hang on one second. I just want to hold you for a few minutes. On the other side, Tom Fitton is going to join us. Congressman Mark Harris in the war room.

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[Richard Barris]

Birch Gold I think we're gonna see a little turbulence. President Trump doubled down, said hey, 50 days, the clock's taking, I think it's a couple days after Labor Day. Secondary sanction increased sanctions on Russia. But secondary sanctions, that would be on the Chinese Communist Party, their biggest trading partner. We're going to have a little turbulence. I think now is a good time to find out why gold is a hedge against times of financial turbulence and why it's outperformed the S&P 500 over the last 25 years. You know, like the entire 21st century. Birchgold.combannon Enter the dollar empire gets you kicked off. It's totally free. And then you talk to Philip Patrick and the team. What you need to do is make contact with Philip Patrick and his team to learn all about it. Birchgold.com Given the polling last night of, of what? And these are, I would say these are the strong, this alliance they formed of Rasmus and Trafalgar. Big data which was Richard Barrison Insider advantage are President Trump's people would say those are the pollsters understand President Trump and they're very pro Trump. Last night we had Mark Mitchell and today we've had Richard Barris. You've seen the analysis. You're a polling fanatic. What is your, what is your, what's your takeaway and what needs to be done? What then needs to be done, sir?

[Alex DeGrasse]

Thanks, Steve. So look, I think it's important to set the stage here. I mean this is President Trump's Republican Party. And so it's more unique than, you know, past cycles where people have, you know, the brand and this and that. I mean President Trump built a historic, very unique coalition. And going into this midterm, of course it's incumbent on Republicans on the ballot this year since President Trump is not Senate House of different down ballot races that, you know, we need to lift all boats and work together and maintain President Trump's coalition. Right. He's got Maha, he's got Democrats, he's got, you know, it's very unique. It's not the Traditional, you know, Republican sort of voting voter target base that we're focused on. And so, you know, all Republican House members really have to think of themselves like, hey, you run a media company. You know, this is, you have to get content out to the people directly. You need to educate people on what we're doing. I think it's impressive that the House and leadership and the President and Senate, they got this done at the time. They did. And so we've got more time to sell and most importantly more time to get more recessions. Another, you know, big bill to continue to move the needle. And it's not going to be an overnight quick process. Everyone's got to be out there hammering on local tv, not just in the Fox, you know, not just in the talking to our own people. You got to be focused on those sort of low propensity. I don't want low information. You know, people that are living their lives are not really paying attention. They maybe see the news about Epstein this and that and they're kind of wondering, but they need to see the news about the results that President Trump and House Republicans have delivered. And things are early, Polls go up, they go down, see people adjust, people, you know, their strategies. I mean it's very early, of course and I know that, that MAGA forces are coalescing a lot of money and resources and strategy to focus on the issues that matter in the blitz, you know, next, next year. But for now it's really on House members, Senate, you know, get out there like people did yesterday. New media row, media row and educate voters. Because I think some people have no idea, Steve. I mean, I don't know if people know that their, their taxes got cut. If you're in the working class, if you're in the service industry and things like that. And so when people are aware of that, I think they're very popular. I mean this is.

[Richard Barris]

Where did they get.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Go ahead.

[Richard Barris]

So Degrasse, we just kicked off 2026 with Texas. We'll spend more time on that. Want to thank you. Where do people go to find out more about you particularly if they want to reach out to you today on this quite brain analysis you've given us, sir.

[Alex DeGrasse]

So if you want to email him me at [e-mail] and we'll make sure to get all that and people love reaching out. But I'm at Degrasse 81 on Scatter Truth. Thank you, Steve. Thank you to the posse. We'll gear up and keep this thing going of course.

[Richard Barris]

Thank you, sir. You were such a central figure in the last midterm, particularly about all the redistricting, got on top of it early. But you have to. People also should continue to focus on that and we'll do much more on this situation in New York. That is the future of the Democratic Party. And it's not only not going to go away, it's going to metastasize. Very, very serious of what we've allowed to happen. Tom Fitton joins us. One of the reasons we've allowed this to happen is that we have not taken apart the deep state which once an empire but is very anti American. Tom, you've been all over this, I guess, this broadening criminal investigation, potential investigation that has actually formed up yet to get a special prosecutor, although we understand that may be in the works. What did this latest? You put out another TikTok this morning. What is your focus on this thing and what are your concerns?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, Radcliffe will release this CIA report and congratulations to the Justice Department and FBI for doing everything they could seemingly over the last two weeks to distract from that. Confirming, though, that the Obama gang rigged up a intelligence community assessment, high level, top secret document that was literally designed to launder the Steele dossier into the public domain to try to destroy Trump at the beginning of his presidency. Indeed, it led to criminal investigations, helped lead to the removal of Flynn, et cetera. And it was all done at the from the top down. This was not an intelligence community assessment about the impact of Russia on the elections. That kind of brought together traditional analysis. They made the decision, we're going to put the dossier in there. In fact, the FBI mandated it and then you had John Brennan endorse it as well. And so when you look at this review by Ratcliffe's team, it's clear they put material in there that didn't have any basis to suggest that Putin wanted Trump elected, when in fact there was a basis to suggest that Putin generally was just messing around with us and B, he presumed Hillary was going to be president and wanted to impair her. But instead they went with the fake lead generated as a result of a joint partnership between the FBI under Obama and the Hillary Clinton campaign to create this dossier and make it a core part of this fake intelligence community assessment, which, by the way, was so sensitive it was sent out to 200 people in the government almost immediately. It leaked within 2448 hours. It led to the disclosure and full publication of the Steele report. And the rest is awful history.

[Richard Barris]

Given the disclosure we've had and we're going to have Jefferson Morley on tonight about the disclosure about the CIA, understand knowing who and knowing well in advance of who, of who Oswald was and maybe even some contact with some of their front groups with Oswald wanting to come to work. You've now had decade after decade after decade. Why is this some hang up now for us to go full throttle on this and actually start a significant criminal investigation? These intelligence services and the FBI have been out of control and it's obvious they tried to have a. Let me ask you, do you believe they tried to have a coup against President Trump in his first term, sir?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, I think the Mueller investigation was a coup. It was designed to try to throw him out of office, pressure him to remove either through impeachment or through the embarrassment of fake criminal allegations. It didn't work in the end. Maybe it did work in part. He lost the election. So we can't underplay, you know, the fact that he wasn't prosecuted doesn't mean he, quote, won. It just means they got their pound of flesh differently. And so, you know, the CIA report.

[Richard Barris]

Although our theory at the war room, we think this needs to be done. We're saying that, that the intelligence apparatus, he didn't Nobody goes from 63 million votes to 74 million votes and loses this thing was absolutely stolen. The fake ballots of Biden that have never shown up since then was a intelligent, was intelligence apparatus also. My point is, yes, I understand, but my point is the, the, the deep state still has not had a glove laid on them. And this is, I think, part of the problem. I've argued with the Epstein situation. People want accountability. Even people that are late to this story and don't know much about Epstein, they think something's murky here. There are dark forces behind the scenes are actually calling the shot. You've been one of the top voices of actually holding this accountable through FOIA requests and through going to court. And it strikes people as odd that you have to do this so often during President Trump's administration when the deep state is still targeted President Trump for removal. If President Trump or his people around him don't think the first action the Democrats are going to do on January 3rd or 4th of what 2027 is to move to impeach him. They're just, they're completely wrong. This is the entire focus is to take Trump down and to break his movement.

[Tom Fitton]

Tom Fenton, you know, and you make the good point because President Trump is concerned that there may be people in the list that should not be there, whose names will be. They'll be embarrassed as a result of just guilt by association. I would suggest that he broaden his thinking on this and recognize this isn't about Epstein. This is about DC Corruption. It's the most readily apparent apolitical example of it because both Democrats and Republicans, when you see 80% poll numbers saying people want the Epstein records released, they're onto something politically right. And I would hope the politicians here in D.C. follow the lead. But I tell you, I don't. The handling of the Epstein matter by the FBI and the Justice Department further confirm that they can't be trusted across the street on their own. And I don't think the agencies institutionally are capable of of the types of sophisticated, comprehensive, or dare I say it, competent criminal investigations A, into themselves or B, into agencies like the CIA who were at the center of this grand conspiracy against Trump. This is why I've said it once, I'll say it again. President Trump should run the investigations and the prosecutions directly from the White House through a close appointed official who reports directly to him. Bring in the best of the best from federal agencies outside of the FBI and DOJ to conduct the investigations and prosecutions if necessary. And he is the magistrate in chief, he can run it. He can say, go after this person if the law requires. If there's evidence that suggests this person committed a crime, investigate it. If the evidence is there, investigate it. Arrest Comey. He threatened my life. Prosecute Garland. He's in contempt of Congress for hiding the Biden auto pen scandal, mainly the audio of his crazed interview with the special counsel her. He's in contempt for refusing the turn on over in order to protect Joe. There are all sorts of things he can direct, specifically the prosecution of or investigation of. And it doesn't mean these people aren't protected by the Constitution. It's the same civil rights protections and civil protections they would have if they were subject to DOJ investigations. But the DOJ can't do it. They've got too many James Comeys over there as it is. The leadership is under siege just with the day to day work they have to do to deal with the judicial lawfare. That's enough for any attorney general just to deal with, take it off their plate. They can go to town doing whatever else they need to do in terms of protecting his agenda. But this lawfare, this attack on our republic that we still haven't recovered from, needs to be pursued directly by the President.

[Richard Barris]

I just want to go, Tom, if we can just hold you shortly through the Break on the other side, there is some sort of obviously investigation going on. We're seeing leaks about it, about Brennan and other people. You're arguing it's time to bring that together. The best way to bring that together, announce a special counsel, let him deal with all of it. Right. And most importantly, given what Mike Davis, the worm, et cetera, been saying now over the last couple years, President Trump's Article 2 powers.

[Steve Cortes]

Right.

[Richard Barris]

Article 2 powers make it incumbent that that special counsel report to the office of the President and not over to doj. They're, they're fully occupied with defending this presidency and, and working the mass deportations at the border. Tom Fitton's on, on deck.

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[Richard Barris]

Okay, right there, you see the, the honor guard is getting ready. The Crown Prince and Prime Minister of Bahrain is going to come for a bilat with the President. I think there's going to be a press avail. Our own Brian Glens that we're going to cut to that in the 11 o' clock hour as soon as it starts. Probably he arrives around 11 o'. Clock. Let's keep that right there. Tom Fenton, you are so revered in this movement and for this particular reason. Your investigations. Just give us your thoughts. Give me a minute or two on and where do we go from here? What's your best recommendation? How we get into a real investigation of the deep state?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, on Epstein, it's A relatively straightforward solution. Just give us the records under foia, describe what the records are, what they're. If they're withholding anything, tell us why, and there's a court process for it. If we don't like it, we can challenge it, but at least it's a transparency that we don't have currently because of this awful memo that was sent out. They need to change their position on it. Indeed. We're already in court. Just last week, they told the court they're looking for and reviewing Epstein records from the FBI and Justice Department. Just get it done and have a. And the president in. My recommendation would be to personally involve himself in this and direct that the FOIA process proceed apace, meaning quickly. And on this deep state issue, I think there needs to be a broad investigation initially. I keep on hearing there's something coming, right? Oh, there's been a referral for the Brennan investigation. Yeah, Comey's under investigation. Why hasn't Comey been arrested? It's six months into the administration. It's inexcusable that there hasn't been a comprehensive investigation yet, no matter what its flavor or color in terms of the FBI or special counsel into the warfare against Trump. They've been circling around it, and if it's happened, it's a secret. It's more secretive than the Epstein records. And I don't believe that you can keep a secret like that secret. So. It ain't happening yet, folks. It ain't happening. Now, we're promised it will happen.

[Steve Cortes]

But.

[Tom Fitton]

You know, this isn't my first rodeo. I've heard that before.

[Richard Barris]

Yeah, we're burning. Yeah, we're burning daylight. It needs to announce the special counsel. It should report to the Office of the President, not to the Justice Department. Tom, where do people go to get. Because you're putting up information all day long, sir. Where do folks go to get it?

[Tom Fitton]

They go to judicial watch.org, judicial watch, one word.org and of course, we're all over social media, both me and Judicial watch. We got 650,000 people supporting us, not just tuning in, writing us checks. This is one of the broadest grassroots movement against government corruption in the history of the country. Little old Judicial Watch.

[Richard Barris]

Nope. Like I said, My 100-year-old dad, that check he sent Tom Finton was the one he says got the best return on investment ever. Tom Fenton. Appreciate you, sir. Keep fighting. Will be all over this this afternoon. Jefferson Morley is going to. The biographer of Angleton is going to join us about this blockbuster story. Yesterday in the Washington Post. We'll get all to it. Congressman Mark Harris joins us now. Congressman Harris, you're going after the NEA with like, why are you picking on the one group that's made American public school education a platinum level that the whole world envies? Sir, why are you picking on this? Why are you picking on them, Harris?

[Mark Harris]

Well, Steve, thank you first of all, for having me. I'm very honored to be with you today. But, hey, listen, I think all of the American people agree that the NEA has gone off the rails. And we're just stepping out today, Just completed a press conference just a few minutes ago declaring that we are moving forward for Congress to actually repeal or take away the charter that the NEA received in 1906. And when you go back and look at how they started or how that charter was granted, and here we are almost 120 years later, and they have completely, completely gone off the rails. And I think the American people see it and recognize it, and I think it's time for Congress to step up and at least take this very, very simple, straightforward action of repealing that charter.

[Richard Barris]

What will happen if and when the charters appeal charter is repealed? What will happen?

[Mark Harris]

Well, primarily what it will do is send a message that we are removing the stamp of approval that currently is placed upon anyone that holds this federal charter. And it sends a message that the NEA has simply become a political machine of leftist activists that have completely become misguided in everything that they were set out to do from the beginning. And you know, it doesn't dissolve the nea. They certainly have a right to do what they do or exist. But it should certainly remove Congress's seal of approval that would in any way, shape or form be mistaken.

[Richard Barris]

Is that your number one concern, that if you see this New York City, race, et cetera, you can see what these folks have done in these grade schools with these young kids to kind of be to propagandize them, that they're really political operations. They're not there to just make sure the kids get the best education. Is that your central beef?

[Mark Harris]

It is. Our children are not meant to be in school to be brainwashed. They're sent there to be educated. And if we are focused more on math and reading and writing. And in fact, I guess that was one of the things that really got my attention in 2009 at their convention, they had an opportunity, a business item in front of them that basically called for them to and in fact, just so your listeners hear, it says the National Education association will rededicate itself to the pursuit of increased student learning to in every public school in America. By putting a renewed emphasis on quality education, NEA will make student learning the priority of this association. And Steve, they voted that down. And when they can no longer say that they're going to look out for the best interest of students, they've become nothing but the opposite. They oppose parent involvement. They are brainwashing our children with the things that they are propagating through their political activities. And furthermore, we can no longer put our stamp of approval on a group. They're the only labor union, if you will, that is federally recognized. And we need to step up and say they don't need this charter. It needs to be taken away.

[Richard Barris]

Congressman, where do people go today, right now to get more information about your crusade to take the charter away? Where do they go?

[Mark Harris]

Well, I would encourage them to check out Moms for Liberty. Moms for Liberty has been one of the key organizations that has been been a great inspiration in all of this and I would encourage them to check that out. And because they stood with us in the press conference and we've got a number of co sponsors already for this bill and any support and encouragement would be helpful.

[Richard Barris]

Congressman Mark Harris of the great state of North Carolina, thank you, sir. Thank you for coming on the show and thank you for sponsoring this. We're going to get everybody to go to the site today and check it out out and getting back here. So thank you.

[Mark Harris]

Thank you.

[Richard Barris]

Mark Harris of North Carolina, standing up for the children of this nation. Short commercial break Will return to the Oval Office.

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