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Episode 4637: Secret Life Of The CIA
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Donald Trump
Everything else is so strong. We're bulling through the rates, the high interest rates. The housing market would boom. If this, you know, numbskull. He's a numbskull. And if this guy would. Can you imagine, we're talking about housing. He's building a building. He's building up an addition, I guess, for more people to tell him what to do. And he's always wrong. They had 71 different geniuses that they interviewed and that were put up. You probably saw that. And with predictions. And the only one that got it right was me and one other person. 69 were wrong. This guy got it wrong. And he wants to put in thousands of additional people to tell him what to say. I mean, how many people do you need read a newspaper and make your own decision right there?
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Jerome Powell
Are you thinking of removing him or do you think he resigns before his terms out? Jerome Powell.
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Donald Trump
I'd love. If he wants to resign, that would be up to him. They say it would disrupt the market if I did. But, you know, there are many people say he should be removed because of the fraud of what he's doing at the Fed with regard to the two and a half billion dollars he's spending two and a half billion dollars to. I guess it's a renovation. I don't know.
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Jerome Powell
It is. It's just a renovation.
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Donald Trump
I'm very good at that stuff. I should go look at it. At least I feel.
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Jerome Powell
Yeah, we got a story up. It's crazy. The building costs less to build than it's cost to renovate. It's insane. Yeah, it's crazy.
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Donald Trump
It's like one of the most expensive buildings in the world. He's putting all sorts of parks on the top of the building. And this, that's. And I guarantee the contractors are making a fortune. Now. This is not a guy. This is a guy who was recommended. He was recommended to me by Mnuchin. And he worked out good.
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Putin's not got a free shot.
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Senator Tuberville
All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I know you don't like hearing that.
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Senator Tuberville
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Amanda Head
And where do people like that go.
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Senator Tuberville
To share the big lie?
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Amanda Head
MAGA Media.
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Senator Tuberville
I wish in my soul, I wish.
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Amanda Head
That any of these people had a conscience.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose, if that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Donald Trump
Foreign.
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Senator Tuberville
It's Wednesday the 16th of July, year of our Lord 2025. Right there you saw just a clip from the complete interview with John Solomon and the president United States. We're going to play it on the John Solomon show in its entirety without I think commercial interruptions starting at 6. Amanda Head's going to be with us closer to the D block. Talk about some of the big scoops there. Right there you heard about Powell president saying he's not going to fire Powell. That was different reason. I'm really proud of John Solomon and the team that he got the right story. There was a huge story that came out on Bloomberg right when that was happening about senior White House officials.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Senior White House officials and the Bloomberg.
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Senator Tuberville
Guys don't put it up unless they're talking to senior White House officials. Said that he'd already talked to the House and that he was, he had authority. He, he was going to go ahead and blow out Powell. But he said earlier at 9:30 this morning with John Salma is not going to do that. He reiterated that on the press avail with the crown prince of Bahrain and the prime minister. We're going to get into the, he talked about the special prosecutor, this whole investigation of this deep state trying to remove Trump and even maybe putting the Epstein things in there. We'll talk about, we'll show that clip in a little while. Jefferson Morley, the number one reporter, investigative reporter and writer that wrote the definitive biography of Angleton. Remember James Jesus Angleton, one of the most controversial Americans of the 20th century. He wrote really the amazing biography of that and he's been following the CIA involvement in Kennedy's assassination. He will join us Washington Post as one of their lead stories on the front page yesterday. When I go to Senator Tuberville, some history being made. I don't think we've had a rescissions package. I don't know if one's ever come up. But here's the question, Senator, where does it stand? You guys start the Senate started voting at 1 o'. Clock. We've been following this and the votes go up, the votes go down. The vote's still open. Are they still horse trading? You've already, you've already done a haircut and $400 million for Collins and now it's a $9 billion package. Where do we stand on this?
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Amanda Head
Yeah, figure this out, Steve. We took a $400 haircut as you Said because of Senator Collins, she just didn't like it in there. And she turned around and votes against it anyway. Why did we take it out for $9 billion we spent, we spend that in 24 hours up here. This is kind of just like a trial run. Obviously it's npr. A lot of the doge cuts, a lot of the nonsense that USAID was spending and a lot of that money was going back to the Democrats. So much fraud up here and corruption, it's amazing. But they don't want to cut anything. And we've had one, I think maybe 25 years ago there was one. President Reagan tried one back in 1981. I think he got 15 billion done back then. The heck that was old. Pretty large sum because of the, back then the budget wasn't that big. But it's, it's pulling teeth around here, Steve. You can't get anything cut. And you know, we just did the big beautiful bill and a lot of us had to gritt our teeth and vote for it. There's some good things for the farmers and of course the tax cuts. But at the end of the day, we didn't really cut anything. And after that, if we state status quo for the next 10 years, we'll spend 26 trillion dollars more and add that to this 37 trillion in debt we're already in and it will be over with. Our country will be not be what it was in the last 249 years.
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Senator Tuberville
So when President Trump and his team and Ross vote talked to people said, hey look, the big beautiful bill is not perfect. Let's get it through. It's got the tax cuts, the supply side tax. We start getting growth, we will come back to you with rescissions, packages, pocket rescissions, impoundment. All this is take to take care of the cuts. You've had a bill that's open now. I don't know, you're in your fourth or fifth hour. A person that Thune negotiated with for days even to get the bill rolling. Collins, you took $400 million off in one of programs that she likes. She's now voted against it. Do you see this thing passing today? Are they going to keep it open all night? I mean, where do we stand? It's only $9 billion. If you can't do this, our recommendation to Russia and to the President is just, hey, do the pocket rescissions or just impound the money and let's go to the Supreme Court and fight it out in the courts about his Article 2 powers. Your thoughts on this. Senator Tuberville.
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Amanda Head
Yeah, there's gotta be a better way to do this because like I said, just 9. 9 billion is like pulling teeth. And we, we voted for 30 hours straight on the Senate floor to get the big beautiful bill passed. And Murkowski, she hung in there all night and she eventually voted for it. Then she regretted it. So I don't think we'll get another vote out of her. You know, I'm surprised Tillis voted for this. I didn't think he would. But McConnell voted against this. Collins voted against us. So at the end of the day, Steve, we're. We're between a rock and a hard place. We're basically got 49 to 50 people that really want to do something about the deep state and the bad, bad situation that we're in. But to get that done, like you said, it's going to have to. A lot of it's going to have to come from the White House. The President's going to have to start looking at people and really understand who they are. You know, they go to the White House and smile and take these pictures of the President. A lot of them want to get reelected, but at the end of the day, they just grit their teeth and can't wait till they either give up this majority or give up our country.
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Senator Tuberville
The appropriations. So the 26 appropriations. You guys on Senate Armed Services are working on the NDAA right now. My understanding is that we're not, because there's only 20 legislative days, I think, left before the fiscal year ends on September 30th. On the 30th of September. I take it we're looking at as much as you guys want to cut. Want to cut. We're in. Hang fire again. It looks like we're going to have a CR midnight on the 30th, a CR that kicks it into the new fiscal year. And I guess we'll fight with rescissions and impoundments then. Because it won't get done in this appropriations process, sir.
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Amanda Head
Yeah, exactly. It'll be a CR in the coming, as you said, when we get closer to the end of the fiscal year, hopefully we get the NDAA run up the flagpole from the House and the Senate manager's package passed, sent to the White House. We have to get that done. Of course, the Democrats held everybody hostage for the first four years I was here. Schumer just, he just would get it done in July and then he would bring it to the floor until December to hold it all hostage because they knew they could get something for. That's all the Democrats try to do. They just try to get something for everything that, that they hold the country up for. It's not for the country. It's for them and their, their deep state comrades. So I don't know, Steve, you know, we, we're going to try to do the best we can, but there's only a handful of people up here that would really care about cuts. And that's if it goes back to one thing, goes back to a reason. You need term limits. You need term limits because people stay. They're going to stay up here as long as you'll let them. But once you get a term limit, then they look at it going, you know, I need to vote for the country. I need, you know, I'm getting ready to go back out in the real world. I'm not going to be pampered, you know, up here in the federal government. You know, my vote is going to have to send us, send me back home, and I'll get a little bit of praise for what I've done. But as long as you keep people up here 30, 40, 50 years, we've got no chance.
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Senator Tuberville
One of the best things about the big beautiful bill, in fact, what Vice President Vance pushed it and sold it on, was the $170 billion coming in to secure the border and for the mass deportations, 2000 of our federalized troops in Los Angeles, the National Guard were, I think, called back starting this weekend by Pete Hegseth. It's been, it's been a success, though, in Alabama, these ice raids. I mean, are you a supporter of this, of doing the mass deportations and not just stopping at the bad horn brace?
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Amanda Head
Oh, as many people as we can send back, Steve. We go back to what we just talked about, of possibly cutting $9 billion. But the problem is we're spending on each illegal 70 to $90,000 a year. We can't afford that. We can't afford it in our hospitals. We can't afford it in our education system. We are a sinking ship. And the American people looking around going, what do we do? We got to start dipping water out of the, out of the lifeboat because we're going to sink along with everybody else. And that's exactly what's going to happen if we don't get these people out. Now, it's not 15 or 20 or 30 million people. It's upwards to 50 million people. And, you know, I just did an interview with a couple of people and, you know, they asked Me, what about, you know, the people that are getting arrested and they possibly could be United States citizens along with some of these illegals. Don't put yourself in the wrong spot. You know, if you're hanging around people that are here illegally, you know, things could come down on you other than the fact that you know you're not going to be deported. We have got to get the bad hombres number one. But if people are there around ice, you know, we can't pass them up. We've got to, we've got to deport them, send them home. And at the end of the day in Alabama just yesterday we ICE went in and raided a, a, a business that had frauded the PPP money from COVID millions of dollars. And we, those people either got to go to jail, they got to go home. They've got, something's got to happen to them. We cannot continue to put up with this nonsense if we don't have law and order in our country. Steve, it is over for the United States.
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Senator Tuberville
Last thing, Senator, and thank you for taking time before you go. Congressman Salazar just put up from Miami, just put up a bill with a couple of co sponsors, essentially an amnesty bill for the, for the non bad hombres that are here. Is that going to get any traction in the Senate, sir?
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Amanda Head
No, no, no. Ain't gonna be enough. There's not gonna be amnesty. I don't know where these people come from. I did a press conference with Brooke Rollins, Pam Bondi, Pete Hexteth, several governors the other day. That, that shouldn't, that word should be taken out of the English language. There is no reason for us to even talk about amnesty. If you're here illegally, you got to go home. We can't afford you. Now we need, there's need to be something with our visa system where we can bring people back and work. Because Obviously we've got 10 million open jobs right now and we've got a lot of people sitting on their ass not doing anything, collecting Medicaid and Medicare and everything they can get their hands on. It's time to go. It's time for them to go home, the illegals. And it's time for us to put people back to work. And that's what we did in Medicaid. We said, listen you, if you don't qualify for Medicaid, you're out the door, you're going back to work. But we have hurt the Democrats feelings so bad they won't even talk to us right now. But they'll come back around and you know, eventually, you know, maybe we can get them thinking about the American people for once.
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Senator Tuberville
Senator Tuberville, social media, how do people get to your website? How they get you on social media, sir?
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Amanda Head
Tubervillesenate.com.
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Senator Tuberville
It'S always the hardest question I ask you. Senator Tuberville, Always an honor to have you on here, sir. To have you on here. Thank you, sir. Senator Tuberville. Senator Tuberville has announced he's running for governor in Alabama. He's had enough fun up here in the Senate, but one of the real fighters that we have Birch Gold. Take your phone out, Text ban and.
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Jefferson Morley
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Senator Tuberville
Okay, welcome back Senator Tuberville. There's also a fight right now on the rule again on this genius act and you've got you know, Eli Crane, mtg, Chip Roy, others look like no votes now that's also shifting around. The rescissions package has been open for hours. It's unbelievable. $9 billion. Like we've said to Russ and to the team. I'm glad you're going through this exercise. I think it's great you're going including the House, including the Senate. But you know, you're talking about a $2 trillion deficit at some point in time. And we just heard from Senator Tuberville and we know this is going to happen. The appropriation, the 12 individual appropriations bills are not going to get done. The ones that are going to get done are, okay, so wait for this. The ones that are going to get done are three of the 12 are going to get done because there's only 20 legislative days between now and the 30th of September. As we go through with you folks all the time, the three they're going to get done, particularly Defense with the Defense authorization and DHS are going to have. Wait for it. Budget increases. I kid you not. Budget increases. The, the other. There's one more and I don't remember what the other one is, but those are the two major ones. The appropriation, single subject appropriation bills are not going to get done and they're not going to be able to repackage. We're going to have a cr. So you're going to have that fight. But remember, to get the big beautiful bill done, there was a commitment that we're going to use these methodologies of going in cuts. And right now on the Senate floor, they're hung up on a $9 billion cut that was 9.4 billion. They already cast off 400 million just to get Collins to vote for the rules so they could bring it to the floor to debate. And she's a no on the bill, even with giving her the 400 million in a deal. The Genius act is also being fought over. There are many issues with the Genius act. One that's big is the central bank digital currency, which is in a president executive order, but it's not in this. And so a lot of folks are saying, hey, you've allowed a backdoor to be here and there ought to be actually in the bill. We'll get you up to speed on all that. Like I said, John Salma is going to play his in its entirety, the interview with the president. One of the things today the president talked about, or John Solomon talked about this, you know, going back to Crossfire Hurricane to the summer of 2016, looking at the Mueller Commission, the Mueller investigation, look at many of these things that have been there, the impeachment of President Trump on the Ukrainian thing. Many of these issues that we say was the deep state trying to nullify his term in this issue with the deep state we continue to grapple with. And of course, we have many people on the other side of the political spectrum from ourselves that agree that something's deeply wrong and has to be addressed. When I introduce now this is from the front page story on the Washington Post yesterday, author Jefferson Morley. Jeff Morley, writer of many books about the Kennedy assassination and in Watergate, but really the classic the Ghost, which I've been talking about a lot over the last couple weeks, the single best biography of James Jesus Angleton, one of the most significant individuals in American history in the 20th century and still virtually unknown outside of a small group of people that focus on this issue. Jeff Morley, Anna Paulina Luna, we were supposed to do a press conference last night for a whole host of reasons. She couldn't do it. They were going to do it. You were going to be on it. Anna Punlina Luna was one of the people and probably the tip of the spear we had on our show Live Saturday that through force of personality is making sure that all the records are actually coming forward from the CIA and from other departments to make sure that we have a complete from the federal government, make sure we have a complete record. People can see everything on the Kennedy assassination. It turns out there's a blockbuster memo from the CIA, I guess deputy station chief in Miami, who was also the head of, I guess, psychological warfare. And one of his things was overseeing different either the invasion of Cuba, assassination of Castro and people, particularly our young audience and even maybe some of the boomers, forget how central Cuba was to American foreign policy and particularly to the Kennedys and the Kennedy administration. Can you just get up to speed what exactly this memo is? Why is it so important? Why? I don't know, 60 some years later it's front page news on the Washington Post. Sir.
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Jefferson Morley
Well, Steve, first of all, thanks for having me. Thanks for your kind words about my book. You and I come from very different places politically, but we do agree about James Angleton. We do agree about the Kennedy assassination. So let's drill down on that. What the Washington Post reported on in the front page story yesterday was a file. It's not one document. It's a series of documents about a man who was the chief of COVID action in the Miami station in 1963, running covert operations out of Miami and New Orleans. And this file shows that the story that the CIA told to for 60 years until last week was false, that they didn't know anything about this guy, Lee Harvey Oswald, the Castro supporter who was making noise in New Orleans. They pretended that he didn't exist and that they knew nothing about him. And the file of this man, George Joannidis emerged last week showed that that cover story is now defunct. And what we see now is that the story of a lone gunman was a story that covered up a whole host of CIA operations involving Oswald or knowledgeable about Oswald. So you know, what does that mean? It means we're in a new area of talking about the Kennedy assassination. It's no longer up to the critics of the official story to say to concoct a conspiracy theory about what happened. It's now up to the defenders of the official story to explain the CIA malfeasance that has been exposed. And what it involves is the lone gunman was not lone in the sense that he was unobserved by senior level CIA people. He was very well known at the top of the CIA in the fall of 1963 when JFK was alive. And that's the story that they've hidden and that's the story that we got a piece of now. No, it's not a smoking gun proof of conspiracy. It's a fact pattern of CIA malfeasance.
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Stephen K. Bannon
But you wouldn't have.
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Senator Tuberville
And this is why I go back to the. Your book on Angleton is not a book about the Kennedy assassination. And I've read and of course Skyhorse is our partner in publishing, which I think has published more books on the Kennedy assassination. Not just anyone, I think they've published more on that topic than all their other topics. Your book on Angleton is literally about the formation of the CIA, but how it rolled, particularly in these critical years of the 60s, 50s, 60s and 70s. And he was a legendary figure because he was the head of counterintelligence. But the book, your book, even without the Washington Post says off a Washington post article in 1959, when an article appeared in page 7 near the Tire ads as I call it on the Washington Post, someone at the CIA picked up that a a Marine corporal had defected to the Soviet Union. From that time you literally go through.
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Stephen K. Bannon
A detailed of how the CIA.
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Senator Tuberville
Monitored all the moves of Oswald for four years up to forget Yoannidis, which is very important because he lied to people directly. These guys monitored him. And then when President Kennedy was shot. It's very obvious from your book, which really are talking about other topics, that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
The FBI and the CIA came together.
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Senator Tuberville
And their number one purpose in addressing the Warren Commission was to make sure that the Warren Commission number one and particularly the American people didn't know their involvement with either monitoring this guy or, or questioning this guy, et cetera. And I think that's shocking. If that had been, if these revelations had been brought up by Walter Cronkite on Friday evening at 10 o' clock on the 22nd of November of 1963, the Arc of American history would be quite different, would it not?
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Jefferson Morley
Absolutely. I mean, imagine if the story that the Post ran yesterday, ran in July 1964, that the chief of COVID action operations for the CIA in South Florida knew all about the man who just killed the President. I mean, the Warren Commission investigation would have been totally different. It would have been headline news. Heads would have rolled at the CIA and we would have had some explanation for these machinations around the alleged assassin that we can only ask now, 60 years later, when we finally see, you know, kind of what was actually going on.
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Senator Tuberville
I want to go back in time, too, about how you frame, I think perfectly. You say, look, if you think about. And so many people, I think, have forgotten this over time, or young people don't know it, but if you go back to the early, from the beginning of Kennedy's administration, the Bay of Pigs happen, literally when he shows up within, I think, 60 days of the administration, he then has the Cuban missile, of course, Vienna, but with Khrushchev, then he has the Cuban Missile crisis in the.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Not just liberal, but I think the.
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Senator Tuberville
Way that we all know the Cuban missile story, that this elegant President stared down diplomatically, Khrushchev and the Russians and Castro, but the way you tell the story from the national security apparatus, the Pentagon and the CIA, they were livid. They thought this was a major defeat because the commitment he made two commitments. Number one, won't invade Cuba. Number two, that you know about the missiles and I guess in Turkey, but.
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Stephen K. Bannon
The not invading Cuba.
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Senator Tuberville
The Pentagon and the CIA were absolutely livid about that, I tell you. Can you give me 30 seconds? We're going to go to a break. Can you give me 30 seconds on how they were. They thought that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a massive defeat.
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Jefferson Morley
Yeah. So not only had Kennedy not consolidated them in resolving the crisis without war, but that he had actually given Castro sanctuary. And we see the CIA taking these first aggressive steps towards secret operations involving Oswald in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis. That's when it's.
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Senator Tuberville
Let's take a short commercial break. Jeff Morley, Jefferson Morley, the author of many great books. We understand from what's been written publicly that he's working on a new book that incorporates this new information, his book the Ghost the Secret Life of CIA spymaster James Jesus Angleton. It is right there in paperback. You will not be able to put it down. Reads like a novel. Short break, Back in a moment.
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Senator Tuberville
Jefferson Morley's with us. And Jefferson, I want to get to the new book you're going to write, but just going back in time, you know, the CIA was only 13 years old, but you see there in your.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Book and others that there's this huge.
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Senator Tuberville
Gap between the elected officials, in this case a liberal or progressive president, although a cold warrior and a hero, a naval hero from World War II. So this guy was no wimp and no peacenik, but a huge gap between people are saying, hey, we got to think through diplomacy here. We got these nuclear weapon proliferation and the Curtis LeMay and guys who are very hardcore who kind of won the war against the Germans and the Japanese. They see American power plus these kind of Ivy League guys in the CIA and they, you can see forming already what people call the deep state. They have a different philosophy, a different national security policy, a different foreign policy.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And you bring it to highlight in.
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Senator Tuberville
Your book on Angleton and now all this new revelations. Is this, is this the reason why we've got to get to the bottom of the Kennedy assassination, to really, I think, go forward as a country. You've seen the firestorm we've had in the last couple of days on this issue. People are bringing up the issue. I know you. I think you wrote a book on Watergate, the coup against Nixon. I mean, what are your thoughts about this? Do we have to solve actually, at least to what reasonable people can understand of what happened back then, to really go forward as a country about who actually governs us.
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Jefferson Morley
This is why the issue of the JFK assassination endures. And people like you and me, coming from very different positions politically left and right, see things in the same way that this crucial event, where I would say what I describe in the Angleton book is once there was no accountability around Kennedy's assassination, the CIA and these national security agencies effectively had impunity. That impulse in U.S. foreign policy and U.S. intelligence making was never checked. It's had free reign ever since. And I think that's what leads to these forever wars that we're involved in. You know, Harry Truman called for the abolition of the CIA right after Kennedy's assassination. And it's a very telling column that he writes for the Washington Post. On December 22, 1963, exactly one month after you talk about, you know, what would have been the headline, you know, if it had been known that the chief of COVID action was following Oswald in the summer of 63, or that James Angleton had a fat file on the alleged lone gunman, people would have listened to Truman. His call for the abolition of the CIA was pretty much ignored. In the country's shock and grief, nobody connected Kennedy's assassination to the CIA except for the ex president who signed the CIA into existence, Harry Truman. So that's where. That's why this story still matters. That's why we're still talking about it, because it does have a contemporary relevance. How do we govern ourselves today? How do we control a secret intelligence agency, a $15 billion a year agency? Can it be controlled by an elected legislature? You know, that's the challenge that we're facing right now.
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Senator Tuberville
I will tell you, having worked in the White House and done the National Security Council and the interagency process, it's not just a. It's not simply a $15 billion agency. Its hands are in everything. It's all pervasive and it comes from this assassination. You are now, I understand from the press working on a new. And you're kind of the guy that I think people go to for facts and for Truth and not wild conspiracy theories in this. Are you going to take this latest revelation, which Annapolina Luna? It's so amazing that some of these young people are saying we got to get the facts out here. Are you going to take that and are you working on a new book about the Kennedy assassination?
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Jefferson Morley
I mean, the short answer is yes. But let me say something about Representative Luna, who I did not even know four months ago. I never even heard her name. And I got to work with her over the last three months. Again, very different, coming from a very different place than me politically. She's very red, I'm very blue. She's terrific on this issue. And we never would have obtained the file of George Joannidis if it wasn't for Representative Luna pressuring the CIA. And Director Ratcliffe deserves credit for making it available and for making other JFK records available. So Luna really helped make the system work on JFK records. That's very important. And with these records, yes, I can write, I think I can write the last chapter in a book about what we have Learned about the CIA's role in the events of November 22, 1963.
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Senator Tuberville
Do you agree right now with Harry Truman? Should President Trump make it a priority to dismantle the Central Intelligence Agency?
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Jefferson Morley
Sir, you know, a continental nation like the United States, needs an intelligence agency. I go back to one of the key documents that was released last March thanks to President Trump's order, a memo by Arthur Schlesinger written in 1961 called Reorganization of the CIA, in which he recommended, I think, a very thoughtful solution, which is put this clandestine service under the control of the State Department. Don't let it be a standalone agency with responsibilities for both intelligence and operations, because, as Schlesinger said, it will come to dominate and preempt the President's foreign policy making authority. Schlesinger said in that memo in 1961, he the, the last thing that was declassified that Schlesinger wrote was that 47% of State Department officers at the time of Kennedy's inauguration, January 1961, 47% of those state Department officers were actually CIA officers. That's how much the CIA had kind of infiltrated the operations of the US Government itself. Until that changes, until there's some authority put over the CIA, some fundamental reform, I think you're going to have an independent actor in foreign policy that is really just as strong as the President.
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Senator Tuberville
I don't, since you brought it up, I don't bring up a sore subject, but I think in The Oliver Stone school of this. Wouldn't he argue that Schlesinger's memo is one of the things that triggered some of the bad hombres inside the CIA to say, hey, we have a problem here, sir.
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Jefferson Morley
I mean, you know, we can speculate all we want about conspiratorial, you know, scenarios. There's no doubt that Kennedy and the national security upper echelon in the Joint Chiefs and the CIA were very alienated after the Cuban Missile Crisis, and that continued for the rest of Kennedy's presidency. That's not, that's not open to dispute. And now what's not open to dispute is the CIA knew a whole lot more about the man who allegedly killed the President than they ever admitted.
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Senator Tuberville
And in fact, one other way to lie about it. Jefferson. Where do people go to get you on social media, where they go to get your writings and particularly, I think, something. If you're writing a new book on the CIA, you've written a couple of great books. I would recommend everybody get the Angleton book, the Ghost.
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Jefferson Morley
You can follow my JFK reporting at JFK Facts on Substack, which is jfk facts.substack.com. you can buy my books, the Angleton Book, at jeffersonmorleybooks.com and you can follow me on Twitter X at Jefferson Morley. Those are the places where you'll get the latest developments on the JFK story as they happen.
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Senator Tuberville
Jefferson. One last thing, Pete. You're kind of revered in this whole area of people that are still fascinated and realize not just fascinating, but something needs to be. We need to get closure on this to go forward as a country. JFK Facts is kind of a revered site. Just give me a minute on what is JFK Facts? What do you do to curate that site, JFK Facts?
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Jefferson Morley
We created JFK facts in 2012, looking ahead to the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination. And a colleague and I, Rex Bradford, lamented the fact that there is so much bad journalism on JFK's assassination. Factual errors, evidence ignored, witnesses misinterpreted, you know, just the. The JFK journalism was pretty terrible. And so we created JFK Facts to report factually on new information related to Kennedy's assassination. Information that we vetted that we made sure was true or probably true, or if we weren't sure, we made clear that we weren't sure. We also didn't spend a lot of time on conspiracy theories, debating them pro or con. Our facts were, our approach was, let's report on what's new. Good information, let's eliminate the bad information and let's lobby against secrecy around JFK records. We started that in 2012 with President Trump's order in January 2025. We actually improbably achieved that goal. We are getting close and closer to full JFK disclosure. And as we get closer, we get significant information. You know, look at what Rep. Luna achieved by getting the joannidis personnel file out there. We have a new perspective on CIA operations at the time of Kennedy's assassination. We have new important information about that. And so we've gained something that's a good accomplishment.
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Senator Tuberville
Jefferson Morley, thank you so much for joining us here in the war room. Make sure everybody will push out these sites or social media and make sure people go and check it out. Thank you, Steve.
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Jefferson Morley
Thanks for having me.
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Senator Tuberville
Thank you. So yesterday that was the press conference. It was going to be apl, the great apl, who's really worked with John Rack of CIA to make this disclosure. Jefferson is going to join us. APL is very tied up. We're going to try to get her in the next couple of days. Let's play, we have a clip. We have Amanda Head, one of my favorite people on deck. Let's play the clip from their interview this morning and I'll bring Amanda in.
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Jerome Powell
For all the things that have happened. There is the Russia collusion against you, there is Jack Smith against you. There's all the things that happened 2020 not investigating China interference in the 2020 election. Where do you think what are the things are most important that you would like to see the FBI get to the bottom of?
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Donald Trump
I think they could look at all of it. It's all the same scam. They could look at this Jeffrey Epstein hoax also because that's the same stuff that's all put out by Democrats.
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Jerome Powell
Yeah.
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Donald Trump
And you know, some of the, the naive Republicans fall right into line like they always do. They just don't have the, they don't have the sustainability. They don't have. There's something they don't have that stick to it like glue. The Democrats, you know, they have bad policy, they have bad candidates, they have bad everything, but they stick together. The Republicans don't do that. But they ought to look into the Jeffrey Epstein hoax too, because that's another hoax that's frankly put out by the pushing, pushing the Republicans and put out by the Democrats.
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Jerome Powell
No, they definitely set the Republicans up. One, one big prosecutor look at it all. Would that make you feel good, you think?
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Donald Trump
Well, I think it's in the case of Epstein, they've already looked at it, and they are looking at it, and I think all they have to do is put out anything credible. But, you know, that was run by the Biden administration for four years. I can imagine what they put into files, just like they did with the others. I mean, the Steele dossier was a total fake.
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Jerome Powell
Right.
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Donald Trump
It took two years to figure that out for the people. And all of the things that you mentioned were fake. So I would imagine if they were run by Chris Wray and they were run by Comey, and because it was actually even before that administration.
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Jerome Powell
Right.
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Donald Trump
They've been running these files. And so much of the things that we found were fake with me, but especially you look at that Steele dossier, where they paid, like, 14 or 16 million. That's more than James Patterson gets paid to do a number one bestseller. And the thing turned out to be a total scam. So, frankly, you know, I think. I love that they're looking at all this stuff. If they are, I hope they are.
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Jerome Powell
Yeah, we've definitely confirmed it. They definitely are.
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Mike Lindell
Mr. President, this is something that could give the American people answers on three different elections. 2016, 2020, and 2024. But to get that rolling, there are two sets of documents that are key to identifying possible conspiracy. But a grand jury can't see them unless you declassify them. Well, would you declassify the classified annex in the Hillary Clinton email case, as Senator Grassley has been asking?
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Donald Trump
Well, I would do that. I would do that, absolutely. I think it's. It should be looked at. The whole thing was a scam. Yeah, and I would do that gladly.
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Senator Tuberville
Okay, Amanda Head, we're gonna take a short commercial break here. Amanda Head is going to join us on the other side.
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Senator Tuberville
Wanna read? John Solomon just put out a tweet a moment ago. President Trump's movement is important. First step, Attorney General Bondi should now name prosecutor. Release an index of all docs collected, identify what is being withheld and why, and then ask the Southern District of New York judge to unseal 2019 grand jury materials.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Amanda Head, you were part of that.
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Senator Tuberville
And asked some great questions there. We just had Jefferson Morley on 60 Some years later, Ma', am, we're still struggling with getting all the information out about President Kennedy here. We had, I would argue, the third coup d' etat in the last 60 years against President Trump, starting with, you know, Crossfire, Hurricane and all the stuff you and John Solomon cover every night. Make this make sense to us right now. Where are we in all of this and what do you anticipate you're going to play the entire interview with our commercial break here at the top of the hour. Walk us through what you've learned from that and where we are late this afternoon.
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Mike Lindell
Yeah, so you asked me to make this make sense. So I'm coming freshly off of information from President Trump. So let me tell you how these two stories kind of amalgamate together. So I know John came on your show and talked about the grand conspiracy case. This is something that started with Hillary Clinton's email case and could conceivably carry all the way through the 2020, 24 election. And that's why I specifically asked that question to President Trump about covering those three elections. Because we all know that there were issues starting in 2016, certainly issues with the, with the election in 2020. But also we know about the CCP sending over driver's licenses to be used to favor Joe Biden in the 2024 election. So you have this 10 year grand conspiracy and the question that we asked the president, which is different from what was asked to the president when he, he had his bilat with the leader of Bahrain, I think that person asked President Trump if he was going to appoint a special counsel to reexamine the Epstein documents. What we asked the President was can you include this in the grand conspiracy? Can you broaden the scope so that this is included within those investigations? And I know that John explained a lot of these details, but forgive me while I rehash some of them because they're important to what we talked about today. So now that you have this 10 year grand conspiracy that's being investigated, you now have multiple different venues, one of which is Florida because of the infamous raid at Mar a Lago. So this can, you can have a grand jury impaneled in Florida. You're going to have a much more, I don't even want to say favorable, just a fair grand jury where you can actually see charges coming out of this. But the reason that that matters is because the person who would be examining all of this, and if I know who the person is, I am very confident. And this person's ability to investigate and litigate, and so that would be looped in with this. But I will say, Steve, I do sense that the president realizes that this is not going to go away. I did get that sense from him today. I also get the sense that there, you know, President Trump is fiercely loyal and I know that he is defending Pam Bondi face forward. But goodness knows this would not be the first time that, that a president had, you know, a discrepancy with his attorney general, Nixon and Richardson, Johnson and RFK, Truman and McGrath, even Donald Trump with Jeff Sessions. So I'm not sure, I'm not saying that I know anything on the inside as far as palace intrigue and what the fate of Pam Bondi is. I will just say that I can tell that there is distance between the two of them. I can tell that the president still cares about transparency. He does realize you can't spend 10 seconds on X and not scroll past a tweet of someone talking about how angered they are that the Epstein documents are not coming out. So I don't want to split the baby here, but I will say I do think President Trump realizes the egregiousness of trying to force the American people to move on from Epstein. And at the same time, you know, he's mentioned this numerous times also last week in that cabinet meeting that caused such an uproar when he said we should be focusing on the successes and at the time, the Texas floods. And I think that those two things can be right at the same time because you look at all that President Trump has done and this Was, you know, this is a larger part of our conversation with him with regards to tariffs and all the revenue that that's brought in. The fact that we are I think closer in this administration to reaching a balanced budget between the Supreme Court cases that have allowed President Trump to carry out mass layoffs in the firings at the department, Department of Education rescissions, packages that are still going to be coming from the White House through Congress and then on top of that, you know, possibly $300 billion worth of tariff revenue, you now have this beautiful creation, this beautiful world where we can actually come closer to budget balance than we ever have before. And I'm not saying that Epstein is not important. I just think that President Trump is trying to, he's trying to make sure that we don't not talk about those things.
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Senator Tuberville
No, it's and by the way, your theory the case you add three to three and a half percent growth with tax charts and my baby increased taxes.
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Stephen K. Bannon
For the upper bracket.
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Senator Tuberville
I'm all in on Amanda's heads. We I can see the sunlit uplands on balance but I'm telling you it's not too crazy. We could actually do this, Amanda. And going back we just had Jefferson.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Marlin, we're still wrestling with Kennedy six years later. We don't need to wrestle with this.
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Senator Tuberville
And passes on to future generations. If we get into the 10 year criminal conspiracy against Trump, you put Epstein in there, the special prosecutor. The reason is it all is about who governs us as a country. Amanda, had your closing thoughts, ma'? Am.
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Mike Lindell
Yeah. Steve, when you create a culture of transparency at the White House and in Washington and that culture comes from the top Donald Trump. When you create a culture of transparency, transparency, it can transcend to things much far beyond Epstein, including JFK and a whole plethora of other cases. Because I'll tell you this, if it doesn't happen during this administration, even if there is another MAGA candidate who comes behind Donald Trump, I don't know if this opportunity will ever come across again. So President Trump has got to get it done.
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Senator Tuberville
Amanda, what's your social media we're all going to stick around for this for your interview. What's pretty simple.
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Mike Lindell
Pretty simple.
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Donald Trump
Amanda Head.
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Mike Lindell
Thank you, Steve.
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Senator Tuberville
One tough reporter for a long time. Thank you man. Appreciate you looking forward to the without commercial interruption at the 6 o' clock hour right here in Real America's Voice following the war room.
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Stephen K. Bannon
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Senator Tuberville
I need to get a special deal on something. What do you got for us.
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Okay, we've got continuation of Warren Ben Hartwell and the interview with President Trump next.
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