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Episode 4641: President Trump Goes On Offense And Sues WSJ; China Hackers Stealing Your Data
Episode 4641: President Trump Goes On Offense And Sues WSJ; China Hackers Stealing Your Data ...
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Steve Bannon
The president's announcement came hours after the Wall Street Journal reported on a 2003 birthday letter sent to Epstein bearing the president's name and a drawing of a naked woman. President Trump is reportedly furious about the report. He has denied writing the letter and is threatening to sue the paper. All of this coming amid growing calls from his members of his own base for more transparency around the Epstein case.
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Jack Posobiec
Than 20 years ago. Donald Trump says it's not true. He says he's suing. Wall Street Journal stands by the story they do. This story had been rumored for a few days. It was echoing throughout the sort of.
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Natalie Winters
New York and Beltway media sphere that.
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Jack Posobiec
The Journal had something and had something.
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Natalie Winters
Big and the White House was trying to squash it.
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Steve Bannon
And in fact, as the paper chronicles.
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Natalie Winters
There was a phone call Tuesday night.
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Jack Posobiec
With President Trump which he denied it.
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Natalie Winters
Trump himself posted on social media that.
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Jack Posobiec
He called editors at the Wall Street.
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Natalie Winters
Journal and Rupert Murdoch himself to say, don't run this.
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Jack Posobiec
And in Trump's accounting, Murdoch said he would try to stop it, but then didn't. So that's some of the backstory here.
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Natalie Winters
But this is seemingly a big deal.
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Jack Posobiec
Okay, Murdoch, here's the way it's going to be, brother. You've disrespected Donald J. Trump long enough, okay? He goes to East Palestine and gets the Biden administration. It's a global news event and you don't cover it live. Is there that much happening on fox news at 2 in the afternoon that you can't cover him live? He hasn't been on Fox News since he announced her presidency. Let me ask you, any guy that brought peace to the world for four years until the Chinese let off a bioweapon, right? Wouldn't you think to have respect for the audience, you would have him back up here to talk about the geopolitical. If you had respect for people, wouldn't you do that? They don't respect you. Read the depositions. They the deposition. They have a fear, a loathing and contempt for you. A lot of this I want to make sure you understand, particularly on Fox. When you're watching Fox, you're not watching Fox. What you're watching is the Murdochs, okay? The Murdochs have Paul Ryan on their board for a reason. That reason is that they are the controlled opposition and they are the uniparty, and they're going to put the uniparty people up there. Murdoch and Fox in 16. Let me be blunt. They tried to kneecap Trump with Megyn Kelly at the first debate, okay? And Breitbart we backed him off. With the great Matt Boyle and Ton Lee, we backed him off. They were never that far in our camp. Trust me, even when the numbers closed, Murdoch was never. They were always jiggy about that. Because I've argued for this from the beginning, that in that arc of looking at how the deep state has tried to stop Trump in the MAGA movement, you can easily fit in the Epstein situation, right? If you want the full release of documents, the special prosecutor gets it. And here's why. Epstein is a key that picks the lock on so many things, not just individuals, but also institutions, intelligence institutions, foreign governments, and who is working with him on our intelligence apparatus and in our government. This is why it's a time for choosing now. We have to decide right now and back the president say, hey, look, all of your great work, you just heard Tom Holman. You're about to hear Kristi Noem of closing the border. How did we get. How did we get 10 or 11 or 12 or 20 million on Biden's watch? That was absolutely. That was a plan they had. That wasn't random. That has to be investigated and people held accountable. Like all these other things. This is why the Justice Department is clearly overwhelmed with what they're working on. The FBI is overwhelmed. We only have two guys at the FBI. We have a handful of people at the Justice Department. The special counselor, special prosecutor can take on many projects and add people to it. You have to get to the bottom of how the invasion took place, why we now have to put up $170 billion in the latest bill to do this today.
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Steve Bannon
The Justice Department has signaled they're going to try to make their case to a judge to release more material. And as we've been saying all week, amid this firestorm, the Justice Department has several options. Option a plan, Plan A that they've been following is just to say, look, this is over. Nothing else to see here. Clearly, that's not working. So they're going down the menu. Other options are to release information themselves, petition the court, which is what they're going to do, to release more information and even potentially appoint a special prosecutor. But in going to the court, like you said, it is up to a judge whether additional material will be released. And it's unclear what they're going to say to the judge to convince the judge to release secretive grand jury material. Because what we're talking about here, it's not the entirety of all the evidence the Justice Department has. It is what was produced in those secretive grand jury proceedings. We know that Jeffrey Epstein was, of course, charged, but he was not. He was never prosecuted because he died in prison. But his associate, Ghislaine Maxwell, she was actually prosecuted. And we got a lot of information throughout the course of that trial and. And subsequently. But there is still some material under seal from the grand jury. And the reason it continues to remain under seal, not only because it's grand jury material, but also there are arguments that it needs to remain secretive to protect victims and accusers. So now the Justice Department's challenge is they need to come up with some sort of argument about why it needs to be unsealed. They can't go to the judge and be like, hey, could you help us out of a jam here? I mean, they need to get around really important protections for these victims and accusers. Now, nothing is going to happen immediately. This judge is going to need to consider this likely, let other people who could be impacted by this weigh in. It's really unclear if this is going to be successful, and even if it is, Sarah, if the folks calling for more transparency will be satisfied, because I don't think they're going to forget that the Justice Department has a lot of other evidence, evidence that the Attorney General said that she was reviewing, available to release. So this will buy them maybe sometime, but unclear if this is going to be successful in helping them move past this controversy. I'm skeptical.
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Jack Posobiec
They had this big, you know, Murdoch set this trap for Trump. He set a perfect trap to have the Keebler elves surrounding the Lilliputians, right? To surround him in this thing and to try to take him down. The Murdochs, remember the Murdochs? Did I mention they were foreigners? Have I mentioned that yet? The Murdochs have this plan to thwart and stop Trump, and they don't care who their instrument is. It could be Desantis, before the robot, you know, rusted, and now they're gonna go to Youngkin or, you know, Tim Scott. You pick it. Right? There's no one who hates Trump more than the Murdaughs. I got fired in April of 2023. In May of 2023, they asked me to run for president against Trump and.
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Natalie Winters
Said they would back me.
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Jack Posobiec
Obviously, I'm not running for any. You know, I would never get elected any.
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Steve Bannon
Plus, I like Trump.
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Jack Posobiec
I mean, that's the funny thing is I actually genuinely. I get frustrated. I'm frustrated now. So.
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Natalie Winters
Hold on.
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Steve Bannon
I'm sorry. You just said that, and people buy. I mean, they asked you to run for president against Trump, The Murdoch.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Lachlan Murdoch said you should run for. We'll back you.
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Natalie Winters
The whole thing, the whole, the whole.
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Steve Bannon
Fox News apparatus, and not just Fox.
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Jack Posobiec
But you know, Wall Street Journal, all of their papers. Absolutely, yeah, we'll back you.
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Steve Bannon
And that came right from. Should do that.
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Jack Posobiec
I was already gone. They'd already canceled.
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Steve Bannon
Canceled my show. I was still under contract, but they canceled my show.
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Jack Posobiec
You should run. We support you. You should run.
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Steve Bannon
We want to stop Trump.
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Natalie Winters
Yeah, well, he was running.
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Jack Posobiec
Welcome. It's Friday the 18th of July, the year of our Lord 2025. We're so jammed with news today. And my co host, Natalie Winters, who will be doing the bulk of the show a little bit later, is with me. Jack Posobic's with me. So I have preached this gospel for a long time and last night we saw it in all its ugliness. The Murdochs hate Trump. The Murdochs want to take down Trump. And this is why on this, Epstein and everything, including the rest of the going after Deep State, we have to be on offense all the time. Last night they put up a phony letter, which I understand from senior sources working with President Trump. They never even showed the letter. They don't even know if they have the letter. They may be doing the letter from something that people told them about. President Trump had discussions with senior people at the Wall Street Journal, which is always the instrument. They're going to take out MAGA and to take out Trump. Right. The sharpest tool that they've got. They used the New York Post as more of a populist entity. And of course, Fox News is for rhinos. But the Wall Street Journal is the neoliberal, neocon, sharp end of the stick that they come after Trump. And last night they tried to actually destroy him with which looks like a phony and fake letter. President Trump has put him on blast, put Murdoch on blast. Particularly as I have long recommended, those clips right there are over a number of years and who had the stones, the stamps of Murdoch said most of these guys are still sucking up to Fox and sucking up to the, to the Wall Street Journal. Quite frankly, the Murdochs concocted something last night and thought it'd be a kill shot on President Trump. And lo and behold, it's the exact opposite. Because President Trump is now on offense of what we said should be done. The attorney general should go to the judge and release not just grand jury, but ask him to unveil all of the evidence, all of the sealed evidence. They should petition it to release all the sealed evidence.
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Natalie Winters
Right.
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Jack Posobiec
And then there's much more they can do but start with that. I got Natalie, Jack Posobic. Poso, you've taken a lot of grief. Oh, you know, we don't have Trump's back. In fact, we made the recommendations that are the best for President Trump in this movement, which is President Trump is best when it's attack, attack, attack. This is the deep state. This is the ruling class in America. They're trying to use it to destroy President Trump. And last night I think he understood of the Wall Street Journal as much as he's tried to do and the big beautiful bill and these other things that get supply side tax cuts. As much as he's tried to do, it's never enough because he has a populist nationalist movement and they hate. And this is old man Murdoch who made the decision to come after President Trump. And I understand the lawsuit that they're putting together is going to be absolutely incredible. And you saw President Trump, a true socialist morning. He's, he can't wait to get Rupert Murdoch on the stand. You know, Murdoch, you know, squirmed out of having to do the Dominion thing because of the emails that Rupert Murdoch said, we're going to make Trump a non person. A non person, but he ain't going to get away from Trump this time. Poso, where are we in all this, sir?
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Natalie Winters
Steve, I'll tell you where we are. We're so back. Look, everyone is firing on all cylinders. The MAGA movement is completely united behind this fight right now. And you know, when I look at some of this, heard about this story coming out earlier in the day yesterday and spoke with a number of high level contacts as well. I know you did. I said, wait a minute, what do they have? And I said, and I kept getting back, they don't have anything. They have a story about a thing. And I said, well, where did they get this? And then it comes out that it's this letter that nobody's actually seen. I said, wait a minute, so what is your source if you don't actually have the letter? And I'm starting to think, Steve, I'm starting to think I put this up on Twitter last night that the source has something to do with former elements of the Department of Justice. I tweeted out last night that it sounds like their source might be Ghislaine Maxwell over some prison phone or something like this because they don't have the letter. So the White House asked for the letter. They wouldn't produce the letter. They wouldn't show this thing, they don't know where this is coming from. They've got a source. They claim it's Ghislaine Maxwell. Maybe. I don't know. Then you've got the great Susan Crabtree. She sends me a message. She's got it up now as well, over at Real Clear Politics, saying that the author of this report at the Wall Street Journal is a former member of the Department of Justice who was directly tied to who? Glenn Simpson, the founder of Fusion gps. And we know that Fusion gps, the Steele dossier, this also came up through the Wall Street Journal, through so many of these sources, so through many of the same channels. So I would love to see that if there is this lawsuit, if it does go forward, and I certainly hope that it does, I want to see the names. I want to see this connection. So the individual's name here, Joe Palazzo. Joe Palazzo is someone we need to look at. Listen to this. Joined the Wall street journal in 2010 from trade publication Main justice, where he covered the US Justice Department. Huh? Huh? He was. So he was over at the U.S. justice Department prior to all of this. And, you know, it's. It's really, really interesting. The main justice was Glenn Simpson's wife's publication. Simpson founded Fusion gps. So there's a lot of connections, very, very strange connections here.
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Jack Posobiec
Fusion. Natalie's going to be with us. She's going to come in right after the break. This thing stinks to high heaven. Fusion GPS is about as dirty a political operative as you can possibly get. This all goes back to them. It turns out they never showed the letter to President Trump. He's got them on blast. They're going to put the Wall Street Journal, they're going to drop a suit on the Wall Street Journal and on Murdoch personally. My understanding is President Trump tried to engage with the senior levels and say, hey, show us what you got before you publish something. No, but they. And they've been rumored this. Oh, this is going to be things so big. It was a dud, a complete dud. I mean, anybody think Trump talks like that or writes like that, it's absurd and they don't have any proof. This thing is a complete debacle. But it showed their hands. This is why we advocated from the beginning, Jack, be on offense, be on offense, be on offense. They're trying to set a million traps and then more traps out there. The best way to get around these traps is go on offense. Attack, attack, attack. That's the mode that Trump's best in. And it's the Murdochs are coming after you because they're the heads of the, of the ruling class of the media arm, the propaganda arm for the ruling class. They're out there in Sun Valley at the billionaires conference with all these tech billionaires and all the tech bros plotting and more President Trump does for them, the more they want to destroy him. We're gonna take a short commercial break. We're in turn. Natalie Winters is actually co host today riding shotgun for the first part. She's gonna take over. Eduardo Bolsonaro is gonna join us. They're going after his father after President Trump supports him in Brazil. Short break, Back in a moment. This July there is a global summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro. The bloc of emerging superpowers including China, Russia, India and Persia are meeting with the goal of displacing the United States dollar as the global currency. They're calling this the Rio Reset. As BRICS nations push forward with their plans, global demand for US dollars will decrease bringing down the value of the dollar and your savings. While this transition won't not happen overnight, but trust me, it's going to start in Rio. The Rio Reset in July marks a pivotal moment when BRICS objectives move decisively from a theoretical possibility towards inevitable reality. Learn if diversify your savings into gold is right for you. Birch Gold Group can help you move your hard earned savings into a tax sheltered IRA and precious metals claim. Your free info kit on gold by texting my name Bannon. That's B A N N o N to 989-898 with an A plus rating with the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers led Birchgold army with a free no obligation info kit on owning gold before July and the Rio reset. Text Bannon B A N N O N to 9898. 98. Do it today. That's the Rio reset. Text Bannon at 989-898 and do it today.
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Natalie Winters
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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Jack Posobiec
The Brazilian government has cracked down hard. Essentially worse than house arrests on President Bolsonaro with a brutal kind of suppression or repression today Eduardo is going to join us here in a little while and this is a part of it is about Bolsonaro, the other part is about the BRICS nations. This is why now more than ever you got to get to speed on this. Go to birchgold.com Bannon End of the Dollar Empire. We're working on the eighth free installment. You get seven. But understand gold versus the dollar, right? If you understand gold versus the dollar, you understand, not just the price of the day, but where the price is headed and where the value in gold is as a hedge. Make sure you do it and talk to Philip Patrick and team, but do that today. This thing about this thing in with the brics nations about to heat up and President Trump's just not going to sit there and have these guys essentially put Bolsonar in prison while he's on trial, which is what they're doing. Natalie Winters is hosting today. I wasn't supposed to be here. I had some things to do this morning. But jumping in here because of the fiasco last night with, with the Murdochs. Natalie, you're out of hair and makeup. We ready for the close up, ma'?
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
Am?
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Jack Posobiec
We ready.
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
I think you take it ready than I do. But I digress.
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Jack Posobiec
You hold it. Are you saying I have more product, I use more product in my hair?
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
I think so, yeah. That's more credible than the Wall Street Journal story.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, let's talk about that. You and I have, you and I have been hammering these people for a long time. Talk to me about where does this story come from? And to know the shoddy nature of how they dealt with President Trump. This is the most upsetting thing. Not only does it look like where are the sources of this, where's actually this letter, where's this picture, where's all this that they allege? Also the cast of characters in back of it, ma'?
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Steve Bannon
Am.
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
Sure. Well, it's not journalism, right. It's information warfare. I think that's pretty clear, the lack of sources, the outlet that it's coming from. And I think if you trace it back, sort of what Jack was alluding to, right. The links to Fusion gps, the Steele dossier, what was sort of the, I would say Achilles heel of that whole information laundering operation, besides the fact obviously that all the information was fake. But it was that they put it through BuzzFeed. Right. No one cared about BuzzFeed. They thought it was a joke of a publication. But they put it through buzzfeed because they were willing to publish it because they had such low editorial standards. So I think there's sort of an interesting correction right, from the Deep State's efforts to sort of attack President Trump. So now they're going with a more reputable outlet, Right. Laundering it through the Wall Street Journal. But as Jack was alluding to, it's still the same characters with these ties, these vestiges to really the same apparatus that isn't explicitly Democratic. And frankly, it's not Even explicitly domestic, I think it represents more of the global elite. But to add on to what Jack was saying, this reporter, right, it's a dual bilined author. So the individual, the man who was on this, the guy by the name of Joe, he actually was part of the Wall Street Journal leading to the report that actually led to the first trial of President Trump, the one relating to Stormy Daniels and the payments. And don't just take my word for it, the New York magazine and a host of other sort of legacy media outlets did glowing profiles on this guy. He actually earned the Pulitzer Prize for these contributions, saying that he, quote, helped set in motion the first criminal prosecution of a sitting president. And his findings were actually included and if not really compromised or constituted the backbone of a lot of DA Bragg's case against President Trump. So, sure, maybe you just want to call this guy a partisan hack, but I think the critique of him is sort of more acute than that, right? In that he is a hatchet man, designed part of that apparatus to come after President Trump, weaponize information. But Steve, I also think it's worth noting too, taking a step back, that this is sort of an effort to make the whole episode saga now about President Trump and a stupid birthday card and sort of, you know, memeify it into a silly picture. This is about the intel agencies, foreign and domestic, and that's what we need to be focusing on. And that's what I think Pam Bondi's unsealing of a lot of these transcripts, the grand jury stuff, that's a good start. But we need to go in that direction and not let this get reduced into some sort of tabloid esque story that they're trying to make it out to be.
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Jack Posobiec
Natalie and I'll get Jack in here on the same question. The lack of respect they have for the MAGA movement and for the MAGA information, you know, warfare department is shown in selection of these authors and writers. They're not even hiding it. I mean, and this is why I said the other day down in Tampa, we have to go after the deep state. If we don't take it apart on President Trump's watch, no matter if this watch ends with this term, he has another. If we don't take it down on President Trump's watch, it will envelop us. It's over. This is our shot. And you saw right there how brazen they are to pull people and in institutions and the Wall Street Journal supposed to be so revered. I mean, this was a political operative. Deep state intelligence services hit job using the Wall Street Journal as its, as its platform, was it not, ma'?
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
Am? Well, obviously. I mean, look at the selective standards in terms of publishing, whether it was the Hunter Biden hard drive, the origins of COVID Right. I think everything with a legacy media, it's not necessarily just straight up lies, Right. It's lies of omission and timing is everything. But, Steve, I think the concerning point and right, it's why we've been calling for sort of a special prosecutor, a special counsel investigation into a lot of this stuff is that I think the fact that the Trump administration is sort of misdiagnosing the importance of the Epstein files to me suggests that they don't understand the core issue as to why his base is so galvanized over. And it's because it gets to the heart of the issue, right, which is who runs this country. And I think you're sort of seeing a, shall we say, softening or whitewashing of a lot of these core issues. I mean, take for example, the immigration front, right. I'm not even talking amnesty, but when you see this being reframed to strategic deportations or just focusing on the criminals, the. That misses the forest for the trees. People are animated about the immigration issue because of cultural factors and wanting to preserve their country. It's not merely a function of criminality and economic statistics. That's part of it. So that's why I think this is concerning on both ends. Right. The deep state isn't softening up. They're not taking this as, oh, look, the Trump administration, they don't want to dive into the Epstein files. Let's just move on. How sick is that that they're now weaponizing this against them and the Trump administration is just putting out posts saying, oh, it's a hoax. Let's move on. The reason why we know the other hoaxes that he called out are hoaxes are because we actually had the information released to prove that. And a lot of that information is the information that we are now using on this show currently to disprove these current allegations, because they're all coming from the Russia hoax, the Fusion GPS hoax, the Steele dossier, the Hillary Clinton ties. So this is why we're advocating for transparency. So, yes, I blame the Wall Street Journal. This is obviously a bogus story, but I think it's not a ridiculous assertion to sit here and say that the Trump administration needs to get their act together and release these documents, release the relevant information. It's what his base wants. Not because we're Crazy, but because we understand who rules this country. And by the way, President Trump, if you don't just look at how they're coming after you in the Wall Street Journal this morning or last night, rather.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, look at it. Everything President Trump's done, the supply side tax cut, all of it. The, the issues this week on the genius act, it's never enough. They're trying to store him. Jack, Natalie's hit the core point of it. This is why we called for a special prosecutor for everything, for to go back to Crossfire Hurricane, to the bogus leak of the dossier, the Steele dossier, all of it, because it's all of a piece. This is how they're coming after Trump to destroy him and the MAGA movement. Sir.
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Natalie Winters
Steve, when you look at the links directly tying these operatives, the Steele dossier, Crossfire Hurricane, the hoax, it seems as though some of the statements, if you go back and look at what President Trump was talking about, it actually looks like this is what he was referring to all along because you can see that direct, here we are less than 12 hours after this thing dropped and boom, direct link to fusion gps, direct link to this deal dossier. This stuff gets purported and of course, when we have information, we've got files, documents, you know, all of it, the media says, oh, don't look at that, don't look at all that stuff, forget about that. But they've got a source of a source of a source. When they can't even provide what they have because they don't have the goods, all of a sudden that gets full billing. But even the Democrats yesterday, I got to say they were running around and they couldn't answer the question, why didn't you release any of this stuff when you had full control of the government for four years? If President Trump was implicated in any of these files, and I've said this throughout, I said this for years, if he was implicated in these files, why did you sit on it? Why wouldn't Merrick Garland release it? What, you wouldn't have needed a fusion gps? You wouldn't have needed this phony story about Russians and Moscow Tower and all the rest. You wouldn't have needed any of that if there was some direct nefarious link to the Epstein files. No, you also certainly wouldn't need of Merrick Garland and these four trumped up ridiculous cases all throughout, all throughout the country in 2023 and 2024. And by the way, I'll even go a step further, you got Douglas, I thought this was a meme I just saw this. Douglas Murray is up there in the New York Post last night. He's got a thing post 11:45pm it says, how many voters really care about Jeffrey Epstein? How many voters really care about Jeffrey Epstein? There's an actual guy from the New York Post from Douglas Murray. Have you ever been there? Have you ever been to Epstein Island, Douglas? I mean, this is ridiculous. It's so. And they're treating you like fools. They're treating the American people like fools. They're treating the MAGA movement like fools. And they tell you something. MAGA hat stays on. All right, the MAGA hat stays on. The MAGA hat is fully on. We're locked in. We're focused. And we'll see. We'll see, guys. Give us your best shot because we ain't going anywhere.
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Jack Posobiec
I want to, when we come back, I want to talk about continue on offense. What President Trump is talking about is a massive civil suit against, against Murdoch's in the, in the, in the Wall Street Journal. This is why we need a special prosecutor. We need to ramp this up to criminal. We need to see all the interconnections here and what they did. First off, the letters complete. Looks like it's completely made up because nobody's seen it. But even when made up, it's irrelevant. This is, they're just trying to stir the pot here. And this is what happens when you don't stay on offense. President Trump and the MAGA movement is best on offense. And all those have said, hey, let's move along, let's move along. No, you, this is a centerpiece of the deep state trying to destroy Trump. Going to destroy Trump and going to destroy the MAGA movement. This is why I said in Tampa the other day, you got to do it. You got to do it now. And look, it's going to be unpleasant, but big deal, we've gone through enough. We've done through unpleasant stuff before, but you have to attack, attack, attack. And now we need the apparatus for criminal charges and criminal investigations. Civil is fine, but civil is not going to do it. Okay, short commercial break. Take your phone. Abandon 989-898. Texas Birch Gold. How to invest in gold and precious metals in the age of Trump. Particularly what's going on in Brazil right now. Folks, look at it. This is the BRICS nations rising up and trying to thwart the U.S. u.S. Dollar. Short break. Back in a moment. You missed the IRS tax deadline. You think it's just going to go away? Well, think again. The IRS doesn't mess around. And they're applying pressure like we haven't seen in years. So if you haven't filed in a while, even if you can't pay, don't wait and don't face the IRS alone. You need the trusted experts by your side. Tax Network usa. Tax Network USA isn't like other tax relief companies. They have an edge, a preferred direct line to the irs. They know which agents to talk to and which ones to avoid. They use smart, aggressive strategies to settle your tax problems quickly and in your favor. Whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million, Tax Network USA has helped resolve over $1 billion in tax debt. And they can help you, too. Don't wait on this. It's only going to get worse. Call Tax Network USA right now. It's free. Talk with one of their strategists and put your IRS troubles behind you. Put it behind you today. Call Tax Network USA at 1-800-958-1000. That's 800-958-1000 or visit Tax Network USA tnusa.com Bannon do it today. Do not not let this thing get ahead of you. Do IT today.
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Natalie Winters
Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Jack Posobiec
Okay, welcome back, Jack. I want to talk about staying on offense here and what needs to be done because it's great that Pam Bondi and the attorney general is going to go petition the court to release the grand jury testimony. Also, I think simultaneously he's got to look to unveil all the, all the evidence that's under seal to unseal it. But there's much more to do here. What is your recommendation?
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Natalie Winters
Look, I think a lot of this comes down to a guy who's already on board with the AG's office over there at the Department of Justice, Ed Martin. You got Ed Martin over there. He was the one who was looking at pardons. Why not appoint Ed Martin to run a task force into Epstein, find out everything that was going on, find out everything that was there, final everything that is releasable. Protect the victims, of course, but then go after anything that they've got out, whether it's grand jury that needs to be petitioned. Okay, you go and make that petition. Then if you've got information, if you've got interviews, if you got videos, boom, make it out. Ed Martin, I think the man for the job is already there.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, Thune, just Thune's got to bring Judge Deneen to the for a vote, like asap. She came out of committee yesterday for confirmation on that fiasco they had with Emil Bovey. And, boy, I would love to have Emil Bovey. I understand they're teeing him up for the Supreme Court, but, man, we would. We need Emma Bovey right now. But Judge Jeanine Bethune's got to call the Senate together and vote on her, like, Monday or Tuesday or over the weekend. Don't go home, like, vote on her immediately. We need Judge Deneen. You need Ed Martin. I know. And for all the people sitting there going, he's not thinking about special priorities. There are people arguing against that. I understand that. And people that are very smart inside the administration, close to President Trump. But there are also other people arguing for it. And I think our arguments far outweigh the negatives, Jack. Also, other, other means of staying on offense. Right now, the MAGA movement's got to come together for all those people said just nothing to see here. They're going to use everything they can to destroy Trump on every element. And this is why it's got to be raised up to the level of a criminal investigation, not just civil. President Trump is going to go after them civilly. He's already beaten abc. He's already beaten cbs. Steve Colbert got canceled last night. Right. So you're winning many things, but a civil suit against the Murdochs is fine, a civil suit against Fox, but we need to go. We need to raise this up to a criminal level, do we not, sir?
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Natalie Winters
Look, that's what's so great about starting it this way. You have someone go in there that you can trust that has the President's back. That guy is Ed Martin. Ed Martin gets results. That's why they were so terrified of him at the U.S. attorney's office. And then when he is pursuing all of this and he finds information and said, wait a minute, hold on this. You pull this thread a little bit more, it raises to the level of criminal. Then, boom, now you've got your probable cause, now you've got your suspects. Now you've got people that you can go after. Look, follow the evidence, where it leads, of course. But obviously, we know that there was criminal activity involved with Epstein, and it clearly involved more people than just Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. And they keep trying to tie President Trump in. And the more, the more they try to tie him into this network, the dumber the story looks. He's the guy who kicked him out of Mar A Lago. He's the guy who said, how can I help the investigators? None of the other people, by the way, down there in Palm Beach. It was President Trump back when he was the Mar A Lago club owner when he was in private capacity, said, how can I help with this? So those are the people, by the way. Those are the people who don't want this case looked into. They would prefer it be kept quiet. And that's why you got all the Democrats in a mumble tank when they ask him about this. You got Raskin up there, little Jamie Raskin. Oh, well, you know, we were looking at different things in Giant Powell. Up, up, up. No, because Jack Smith, Merrick Garland were probably told, don't go down the Epstein rabbit hole.
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Jack Posobiec
It, it also goes right to the intelligence services of both this country and Israel. Let's be blunt about this. That's why all the Israel first, if that comes up, comes up Levins and all those guys say they, they say nothing to see here. Hey, you got to take this to where it goes, the investigation. Jack, where do people get you through the day? Thank you for changing your schedule to come on. Where do folks get you?
- [34:22]
Natalie Winters
Yeah, of course. We'll be up at Human Events daily today at 2pm we're going to be getting into all the latest with this. Obviously, we're also going to be getting into some of the stuff that's going on overseas. This strike in Israel on a Christian church. We've got to figure out what exactly went on there. We know the president called Bibi Netanyahu, got him to put out this statement yesterday. But Cardinal Pizzabala, who's someone that we've talked about for several months here on human events, we went over to Rome with coverage of that and coverage of the conclave, he's been very, very emphatic on this strike on this Catholic church right there in Gaza trying to figure out exactly what went wrong. Three people were killed in this thing. President Trump very, very upset. The Catholic Church, very upset. Pope Leo as well, coming out on.
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Jack Posobiec
It, by the way, who's upset to us? Huckabee, the ambassador. I think he sent a letter about maybe we don't feel you slow walking. You're slow walking.
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Natalie Winters
Visas for the evangelical Christians, Christian visas, visas for Christian groups. Times of Israel has it out and Huckabee wrote a letter to the entire Israeli government saying we're going to, we're going to declare you hostile to Christians if you don't fix this.
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Jack Posobiec
This is not Fuentes. This is the Times of Israel reporting. Huckabee's furious about the evangelical groups. Heard some of the biggest supporters of Israel not getting visas go over and do their annual trips to show support. So, Jack, we'll see. We'll see you at 2 o' clock on Human Events Daily. Thank you, sir.
- [35:51]
Natalie Winters
We'll be there.
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Jack Posobiec
Natalie, I got a punch. You're going to take. We got Eduardo Bolsonaro. You're going to jump on that. A major development down there in Brazil. Natalie, before I let you go though, staying on offense. You've advocated this from the beginning. You've been one of the stalwarts. Tell me, where do you think we go from here? What the next couple of days would you like to see out of the administration as far as staying on offense against the Murdochs, Wall Street Journal, Fox News, also the intelligence apparatus, everything that's come to destroy President Trump. Ma', am.
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
I think I want the names of people who are stonewalling this information, whether they're politicals or careers. If now Team Trump is on board with what I think the war Room has been saying that we need to get this information out there, then I'm sure there's going to be pushback, like we said, from careers. As you know, we only control, what, maybe 0.01% of the DOJ, certainly probably less than that. But I think that we need to fight fire with fire. I'm sorry Joe Biden destroyed this country. If they were able to orchestrate an invasion of tens of millions of people, tank the economy, force people to get experimental vaccines, like. I'm not asking you to concoct documents. I'm not asking you to bring fake charges like they did against you or Jan Sixers. I'm just asking for transparency on documents that apparently the DOJ is well aware of. Right. The birthday book that they compiled. I want to read the Wall Street Journal. Quote, pages from the leather bound album assembled before Epstein was first arrested in 2007 are among the documents examined by Justice Department officials who investigated the two of them years ago. It's unclear if any of the pages are part of the recent review. This is the kind of stuff that we should be making public. Right. That's a. I'm sorry, I thought the DOJ had nothing related to Epstein. Well, the story sort of contradicts that, so why don't we release it? It's maddening. Honestly, Steve, I'm not going to be gaslit by people who spent years, years, basically rested their careers on the idea that there is a deep state now, not just tell us that, oh, you know, you should just move on, but that there's nothing to release. I'm sorry, I was Told by the AG just about a month ago that she had a whole stack of papers on her desk. So I think we need to figure out who is responsible for this bungled messaging because to me, it reeks of someone covering up for someone. But I think there's blame on both sides and anyone who's not willing to call that out. You're a cultist. You're not an ideologically driven MAGA war room posse member. And like you said, it goes to the intelligence angle, it goes to Israel and all of the Israel first crowd that doesn't want to admit that you're just making our point when you suddenly take the legacy media's, you know, hook, line and sinker. Oh, there's nothing to see here. We need to move on. You're anti Semitic. If you want to ask about what Epstein was doing on behalf of foreign countries, probably wasn't just Israel, but there's a lot of gaslighting going on here and where there is smoke, there is fire. Where there's the deep state infusion gps, there's fire too. So let's just release it all and put it, put it to rest.
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Jack Posobiec
Natalie G. Winners, you have the deck in the con. Eduardo Bolsonaro's up for you. Horrible news out of Brazil today. Alternative View. I will be back for the five and six o' clock show. I've got some things I got working on right now. Natalie G. Winners, the deck and the count is yours. See you tonight at five o', clock, ma'. Am.
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
Thank you, sir. Speaking of the deep state and how we mobilize against it, how they mobilize against us, we obviously know this fight is international and I don't think any country or man that is of course, Eduardo Bolsonaro of Brazil has been more so on the front lines of that fight, honored to be joined by his son Eduardo Bolsonaro with the breaking news. News that the Brazilian police, I think at the request of the rogue Supreme Court, raided your father's home political headquarters, ordered him to wear an ankle tag. Also barring him from speaking to foreign officials, talking to embassies and posting on social media, of course, amidst the ongoing tariff dispute between our two countries. We've got a few minutes. Can you just sort of give the audience an update, the latest with what is on going, going on with your father?
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E
Yes, everything that you are talking coming right after President Trump sent a letter for my father, for President Jerry Bolsonaro. So what Alexander Morales is doing is what we can expect from him, that he's Doubling down again. He always does that. And only to make sure that everybody here is in the same page. My father, he's. He fought, he accomplished all of Alexandra Jimora's orders, even if he was thinking that they were illegal orders. So there is no reason to travel, to travel ban. Jerry Bolsonaro sees his passport or now what he's doing is basically humiliation, and he's challenging President Trump in front of everybody. The good aspect of that is because he's showing that he is the dictator, which I'm always saying, that Lula is a problem. Lula is a criminal, he's a gangster. But Alexandre de Moraes is jumping in front of everybody and getting all this scene, all the attention to him doing that. Why Jerry Bolsonaro cannot use his social media just because yesterday he did a video thanking President Trump about the letter that Trump sent to him. Why he has to now use an ankle tag. Why all of that? Because this is the persecution that we are facing in Brazil. And I'm always telling my friends from the other countries in Latin America, from Europe, from us, this is what they want to your country. Brazil is just establishing a new model of censorship in social media. Two weeks ago, our Supreme Court, they decided a new way to do censorship, and they are going to export that to the rest of the world. So it's very, very urgent that United States, the country of the freedom, the home of the brave, to send an answer for this regime, to do not let the Brazilian censorship model or the Brazilian lawfare model to be exported to other countries. Because I know that if more eyes win this war, this battle, I don't think he will. But if he wins, it's going to be a mess, not only in Brazil, but for sure in other countries around in the West.
- [42:32]
Eduardo Bolsonaro
And Eduardo, I'm just curious, do you think the reason that they're doing this is because your father, his movement, the sort of global populist movement, is so much on the ascent that the only option they have is to try to silence him?
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E
Sure, yes, my father is leading all the polls. And if the election was today, he likely would beat Lula da Silva, the current president, even in the first round. And for sure, he's only suffering this persecution because of this. Even the Supreme Court, Alejandro de Moraes let clear for everybody that he wants to convict, to condemn Jair Bolsonaro to up 43 years in jail still this year, because next year is the election of Brazil, is the year of the election. And he already talked with some press saying that they will never Let the mistake that the United States committed letting Trump run for president. They will not allow this thing happen in Brazil. So they are speeding up as fast as possible.
- [43:34]
Eduardo Bolsonaro
You can just hang with us for a few more minutes. I'm sure the audience wants to know how they can help, what they can post. Warren Posse. We'll be right back after this short break. Mike Benz, we got a pack show coming up.
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Natalie Winters
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
Welcome back to the War room. We still got Eduardo Bolsonaro joining us. Eduardo, I'm sure you've got a bounce, but just leave our audience with sort of a final message, a warning from, from you, your family and your father. What the Maga movement, which certainly has received a lot of the same arrows you guys have, should take from this and more importantly, how they can help if we can post on social media and try to circumvent judge more.
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E
Yes, only, only following what is happening in Brazil is good for you to prevent future problems and future kind of law firms and censorship that you can face United States. But we are, we are really alerted everybody because the only hope that we have is coming from President Trump and his team, including Secretary Rubio and some others to fight back against that. This lawfare in Brazil, they want to sweep the opposition from the next year's election. It does not include only Jair Bolsorado who is leading the polls nowadays. So we really needed to answer to the response and the time for that is right now. Because in the future, diplomatic actions like sanctions will not work in the future. That will be the consolidation of this current regime of Brazil. That's really going following the Venezuela steps. So do not let something that happen. And also it will be a problem for the United states because if 25% of the Brazilians leave the country, just like what happened with Venezuela, we are talking about 50 million people leaving Brazil and we really do not want that. So I appreciate all your support. If you can follow me, I'm tweeting in English a lot right now, mainly on on Max. So Bolsonaro sp is my account and God bless Brazil. God bless America.
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
Thank you so much for joining us. Our prayers are with your father. We look forward to having you on soon.
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E
Thank you.
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
Of course. That's why we need you guys in the fight. That's why you got to be checking out Tax Network USA. We love the team over there. That's tnusa.combannon or you can call 1-800-for a free consultation. Speak to the team. I think one of the other, shall we say overlapping or convergent issues that we share with Brazil is of course the complete and utter domination of non infiltration by the Chinese Communist Party. To that point, I want to bring on Isaac Stonefish really I think a concerning story talking about how a lot of Dodd technological apparatus, their systems are operating Microsoft systems at that, no conspiracies, no coincidences there, but are actually being run, not administered by people in China. It's a ProPublica investigation. But I wanted to bring you on to sort of walk us through this.
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Steve Bannon
This bombshell story stunning journalism. And basically five, 10 years ago it was the norm for US companies to, to subcontract, especially 10 years ago subcontract sensitive work and sensitive technologies to China. And Microsoft reportedly did that and they just haven't cleaned it up since then. And so what we are facing now is a situation where Microsoft still has pretty high levels of China exposure and appears to be sharing sensitive U.S. personnel secrets with the Chinese Communist Party.
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Eduardo Bolsonaro
And just walk us through how. I mean we know it's, it's commonplace that a lot of these companies but how does this get through in terms of DoD contracting, you know, military work perhaps involving, you know, classified top secret secret information that, that I don't even. That seems like a non starter.
- [49:00]
Steve Bannon
It should be and hopefully it will be moving forward. But the DoD like the many large bureaucracies often works very slowly. And so it seems in the story that the DoD had no idea of what this was. And the spokesperson was saying, hey, I've never heard of this program. I couldn't find information on it, what's going on here. And so there's so many nooks and crannies in a bureaucracy of that size. And so they let this happen. And really I hope this is a wake up call. And there's been so many wake up calls, but the US government, US companies need constant wake up calls about the risks of subcontracting or exposing sensitive technologies to the Chinese Communist Party.
- [49:44]
Eduardo Bolsonaro
Well, there's a lot of layers to this too. I think if you sort of invoke the H1B STEM debate, I think it was what just last week that it was reported that Microsoft had applied for sort of a new overwhelming tranche of H1B visas just before letting go of a lot of American born engineers. So it's interesting to me that they're outsourcing to, I don't know, only our largest sworn adversary, the Chinese Communist Party DoD work. But is this something that America has the technological infrastructure to facilitate? I mean I would think there's no real necessity to need to be outsourcing this to our, to our enemy.
- [50:18]
Steve Bannon
The question of cost and I think Microsoft and so many companies just say, hey, I can do this in China, I can do this in India, it's a lot cheaper. India is far less of a security threat than China is. And what it was is, you know, these companies were in some cases still living in the 2000 and tens where US policy from Republicans and Democrats, especially early in the decade was, hey, let's partner with China and let's strengthen the Chinese Communist Party. But the world has changed drastically since then and companies really need to catch up.
- [50:52]
Eduardo Bolsonaro
And Isaac, I want to hold you through the break because I want to pivot to this sort of new idea that the reason why we, we need to give even more IP in the form of, you know, semiconductors of these Nvidia chips to China is how we're going to somehow stay dominant in the tech space. While the same tech bros are also telling us that the only way we can defeat China is by prevailing over them in the air space. Can you just sort of. We got about a minute. Bring our audience up to speed on where we sort of stand with this AI chip debate, the sort of exercise export list, the entity restrictions on exporting these to China.
- [51:28]
Steve Bannon
CEO Jensen Huang was in China this week receiving rock star treatment from Chinese fans of the Chinese Communist Party. And he has successfully convinced the Trump administration that strengthening Chinese AI companies and the Chinese Communist Party by selling chips to China allows for American companies to. To be the victor. And so that's the argument. And that's what David Sachs and others said. Frankly, I don't understand it, but that's one side of the debate.
- [51:59]
Eduardo Bolsonaro
They are such clowns. Isaac, if you can hang with us through the break, we're going to unpack that. Like I've always said, the same people who are saying the only way we can surpass the Chinese Communist Party is by having an edge in technology and AI while simultaneously lobbying to want to import even more H1B visa workers, by which the second country that receives the highest number of them is China. A company, or rather country that essentially acts like a company, a state owned industry where they can basically requisition any individual company to advance the interests of said Chinese Communist Party for any reason whatsoever. Probably not the best approach to national security. And I certainly won't be lectured by people like David Sacks and that clownish, freakish, beta male, weird podcast that they put out that is truly awful to watch, not for censorship, but that one I might maybe take off air. We'll be right back. We're gonna dive into that some more after this short break.
- [53:01]
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