Episode 4662: Breaking A Nation And Cultural Unity

Summary

Podcast Title: Bannon's War Room
Host/Author: WarRoom.org
Episode: 4662: Breaking A Nation And Cultural Unity
Release Date: July 26, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 4662 of Bannon's War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves into the pressing issues of national and cultural unity amidst rising populist nationalism across Europe. The episode, titled "Breaking A Nation And Cultural Unity", features insightful discussions with political analysts Matthew Goodwin and Ben Harnwell, alongside guest appearances from Josh Pettit and others. The conversation centers on the impact of mass immigration, the decline of elite political classes, and the meteoric rise of populist figures like Nigel Farage in the United Kingdom.

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President Trump's Influence on European Nationalism

Matthew Goodwin opens the discussion by highlighting President Trump's recent trip to Scotland, emphasizing its significance in the broader context of European populist movements.

Steve Bannon [00:02]: "This is the primal scream of a dying regime."
Matthew Goodwin [00:07]: "Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people."

President Trump's assertive stance on immigration was a focal point, aimed directly at European leaders.

President Trump [via Ben Harnwell, [04:00]]: "Europe, you're losing yourself by not controlling immigration. There might not be a Europe left."

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Rise of Populist Nationalism in Europe

Ben Harnwell provides a comprehensive analysis of the surge in populist nationalism across Europe, attributing it largely to uncontrolled mass immigration and the disconnect between elites and the working class.

• Impact of Mass Immigration:

  Ben Harnwell [04:04]: "30 million people have come into Europe over the last decade alone, both legally and illegally... Mass migration has been undermining the economic prosperity of Europe."

• Cultural Undermining:

  Drawing from English philosopher Roger Scruton, Harnwell underscores the erosion of shared cultural identities.

  Ben Harnwell [04:27]: "If you lose that sense of cultural unity, you don't have loyalty anymore. All you have are a series of empty transactions."

• Case Study: United Kingdom

  Post-Brexit, the UK's struggle with mass immigration and elite governance has paved the way for Nigel Farage's Reform Party.

  Ben Harnwell [08:14]: "...Nigel Farage and reform are now number one in the national polls, 34%, which is remarkable, because they are tapping into the same thing that President Trump did."

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Conflict Between Elites and Populists

Matthew Goodwin elaborates on the betrayal felt by the working and middle classes post-Brexit, highlighting the elite's refusal to honor the referendum's true intent.

• Elite Disconnection:

  Matthew Goodwin [09:52]: "The elites believe the true source of power, authority, and legitimacy lies with other elites like them."

• Rise of Nigel Farage:

  Farage's Reform Party is gaining traction by addressing issues neglected by traditional elites, such as controlled immigration and national sovereignty.

  Matthew Goodwin [17:00]: "We want to end mass uncontrolled immigration... We want to reassert our national sovereignty."

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Implications for the United Kingdom

The conversation shifts to the impending general elections in the UK, with Ben Harnwell predicting a significant shift towards populist parties if current trends continue.

• Political Realignment:

  Ben Harnwell [30:28]: "Nigel Farage has been absolutely consistent. If there was an election tomorrow, odds on Nigel Farage will be the next prime minister."

• Impact of Brexit:

  Brexit's aftermath has not resolved the underlying issues of immigration and elite governance, further fueling populist sentiments.

  Ben Harnwell [35:27]: "The British public are absolutely adamant they do not want to go back into the European Union."

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Future Outlook and Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, the hosts discuss the broader implications of Europe's shift towards populist nationalism and the potential for similar movements globally, particularly in the United States.

• Global Trends:

  Ben Harnwell [39:53]: "This movement's going into government, Steve. I mean, Nigel Farage is going into government and the state."

• Call to Action:

  The speakers emphasize the necessity for ongoing awareness and involvement to counteract elite-driven policies that undermine national and cultural unity.

  Matthew Goodwin [35:08]: "This is why we must take on the deep state. I mean, we don't have a choice."

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Notable Quotes

• Steve Bannon [00:02]: "This is the primal scream of a dying regime."
• Ben Harnwell [04:04]: "30 million people have come into Europe over the last decade alone, both legally and illegally."
• Ben Harnwell [08:14]: "Nigel Farage and reform are now number one in the national polls, 34%."
• Ben Harnwell [30:28]: "Nigel Farage will be the next prime minister."
• Matt Goodwin [35:08]: "This is why we must take on the deep state."

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Conclusion

Episode 4662 of Bannon's War Room offers a critical examination of the fractures within European societies caused by mass immigration and elite governance. Through expert analysis and compelling discussions, the podcast underscores the rise of populist nationalism as a response to these challenges, with significant implications for the future of nations like the United Kingdom. The episode serves as a call to recognize and address the deep-seated issues threatening national and cultural unity in an increasingly globalized world.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.

[Steve Bannon]

You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.

[Matthew Goodwin]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Steve Bannon]

I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything.

[Matthew Goodwin]

In the world to stop that, but.

[Steve Bannon]

You'Re not going to stop it.

[Matthew Goodwin]

It's going to happen.

[Ben Harnwell]

And where do people like that go.

[Matthew Goodwin]

To share the big lie?

[Ben Harnwell]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Josh Pettit]

War ROOM here's your host, STEPHEN K. Band.

[Matthew Goodwin]

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[Steve Bannon]

But you guys got to get your.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Act together on mass migration before it's too late. Are you going to lose your countries? You're going to lose Europe? Can you give us a sense in summer of 25 where we really stand with kind of populist nationalism throughout Europe, particularly in the United Kingdom, but also the fundamental issues that President Trump's looking at when he comes over for this weekend, sir?

[Ben Harnwell]

Well, absolutely. And Steve, firstly, thanks for having me on. I remember about 10 years ago, you and I were starting to talk about this political revolution. And ever since then, you know, with some stops and starts, but ever since then, it's basically accelerated. Look what President Trump has said today as he stepped off Air Force One and he said, look, Europe, you know, you're losing yourself by not controlling immigration. There might not be a Europe left. That's what President Trump said today. And it struck a very loud chord here in Europe because wherever you look, whether it's Georgia Maloney in Italy, whether it's Marine Le Pen and Jordan Bardella in France, whether it's Nigel Farage in the UK Whether it's the alternative for Germany, you know, Europe is now going through its own Trumpian moment with anti immigration, anti elite, pro nation movements really doing as well as they've ever done before. I mean, if you look at all of the polling across Europe, a lot of these movements are Reaching highs that would have been thought, you know, unthinkable in the early 2010s. I've just come back from Hungary where, you know, obviously Vixor Orban there has, has pushed back against this relentless social liberalism in Brussels. But, you know, in Austria, the Freedom Party has never been stronger. And in the UK, remarkably, Nigel Farage, 34% in the national, in the national polls. And this is all because of mass migration, Steve. You know, I put out a video this morning, I said President Trump is right for two reasons. When he says Europe is killing itself, he's right, because economically, the evidence is all there. The kind of migration that's coming into Europe, I'll give you one statistical 30 million people have come into Europe over the last decade alone, both legally and illegally. And we know that a lot of those folks were low skill, low wage, low levels of education. So we know that mass migration has been undermining the economic prosperity of Europe. But secondly, and I think more importantly, and this is what President Trump, I think was alluding to, it's undermining the culture of Europe, too. And some of your viewers and listeners will know this name. But the English philosopher Roger Scruton once said that a nation is not just a legal document. A nation is not just a piece of territory. A nation is built on a shared culture, a shared identity, a shared language, a shared religion. And it's that cultural inheritance, argued Roger Scruton, that ultimately is what makes a nation. And I think wherever you look in Europe, there is this sense, Steve, that we're at this civilizational moment, that actually that, that sense of who we are, that shared culture, is being rapidly undermined by the scale of mass migration. Because as Scruton said, you know, if you, if you lose that sense of cultural unity, you don't have loyalty anymore. All you have are a series of empty transactions. You don't have a nation, you don't have a we. It's a bit like living in a one star motel where you don't know who's living next to you. And I think Europeans are very aware of that. I think they're watching the Trump experiment very closely. I think they've taken part from the collapse in the number of border crossings. For us in the UK we've got a border crisis. What President Trump is doing is incredibly important because it gives us proof of concept. When we say, look, we want to deport these guys. We've got 170,000 mainly young Islamic men coming into the UK on the small boats entering our country illegally. And when me and Nigel Farage and others are saying, let's detain these guys, let's deport these guys, people in Westminster say, well, you can't do that. Well, now we can say, well, President Trump's done it. And that proof of concept is really important for people here in Europe.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Here's the. I think what is so shocking, your two points you made, it's self evident from the receipts, from the evidence itself, right, how this has crushed people, you know, the 30 million have driven down wages and culturally it's made a mess, whether you're looking in Italy or in France or in England or in Ireland. But the people at the top are the fruit of this system. For instance, there's a book called I think Chums that talks about Oxford and I think, what, 13 of the last 15? Or post war, I mean, if you look at Westminster, you look at the people that control British society still, they're the elite. They're the elite of the elite or the sons and daughters of the elites. They go to the best universities. They're very, you know, pampered and offset from the reality of, of the lived experience of working class people. But they are the fruit of the system. How could they, in looking at this evidence, because they're smart enough, continue not just to, they're in a fight and literally a knife fight with populist nationalists. Whether that's alternative for Germany, whether it's Orban, whether it's Le Pen and Front national, whether it's the rise, the meteoric rise of Nigel Farage party, the elites are dug in more than they've ever dug in. So explain to the American people, why are the European elites, country by country, in this death struggle with a populist nationalist movement that actually has the evidence on their side of how their policies are destroying their own nations? Sir?

[Ben Harnwell]

Well, I remember reading a book by a very disgruntled leftist named Christopher Lash in the early 1990s. He was a disillusioned academic, a bit like myself. And Christopher Lash predicted, you know, a good 20 years before the Trump revolt, he said the next big revolution in politics will not be the masses rising up against the elites, but the elites rising up against the masses. And he argued they would use censorship, they would use speech codes, you know, they would use everything within their disposal to shut down public dissent, to try and control the people. And what's becoming evident in the UK and elsewhere in Europe is that top down project, that elite project is collapsing around us. Steve, as you and I are talking now there are spontaneous protests taking place up and down England in pretty middle of the road places, fly over towns in places like Epping, in Essex, places like Norfolk, places like Glasgow, where ordinary mums, dads and grandparents are now hitting the streets, which is a big thing to say in British politics because the Brits historically don't really do street protests like the French and the Italians, but because they are so fed up with what the elite class has been imposing on them, top down, which is mass uncontrolled immigration, unvetted migration, broken borders, not to mention WOKE ideology. So this thing is getting a. A speed and a scale that the elite class is not ready for. The answer, I think, Steve, is very similar to what happened in the US we have had in this country a Tory elite class, which reminds me of what you guys might call the Mitt Romney Republicans. These guys have controlled the system for decades. Now. There were some good people that were pushed to the forefront, Margaret Thatcher being the most obvious. But many of these guys pass through Oxford, pass through Cambridge. They're in this for themselves. They're not in this for the country. They're in this for social status. They're in this to accumulate power for themselves and their friends. And what Nigel Farage and this reform movement have realized, the sort of alternative party now, is that actually that elite class has fundamentally misread the mood of the nation. We are basically saying we want an end to mass uncontrolled immigration. We want to leave things like the European Convention on Human Rights. We don't want international courts telling us who we can let into our country and who we. Who. Who we have to keep in our country. We want an end to this net zero green madness which has prevented us from investing in our own energy. We want an end to WOKE ideology. We want to take on Islamism and make sure that it doesn't become as entrenched as it is in some countries, like France, where basically the Muslim Brotherhood has become a sort of Trojan horse within the state. And we want to reassert our independence. We want to reassert our national sovereignty. And I think the reason Nigel Farage and reform are now number one in the national polls, 34%, which is remarkable, is they are tapping into the same thing that President Trump did. An elite class has moved so far to the left, has been in it for itself, lost touch with the people, that you've now got this enormous space that's opened up for somebody like Nigel Farage, like the Reform parties, to stand up and say, you know what, actually we're going to reassert the voice of the people. We're going to control our borders. The first thing you know, for example, this week, Steve, we're having a big discussion about crime. Any of your viewers, your listeners, lots of Americans come to London over the summer. They will all have seen the lawlessness that is taking place in London. Phones are being stolen every day. Gags are running riot. People are being, you know, stabbed to death for their Rolex watches. And Nigel's come out this week and he said, you know what? It's time to bring back tough on crime. We're going to have more police officers. We're going to put drug dealers into prison for the rest of their lives. We're going to start sending the bad guys, the worst of the bad guys out to El Salvador and we're going to start reestablishing some basic law and order little things like that. Steve because if the state cannot, as Cicero said, if the state cannot perform its most basic duty of looking after its own people, then the state will not survive. And what we're living through in the UK is a state that is no longer performing its most basic duty, which is to look after its own people.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Matthew hang on for one second. I just want to hold you short break and I want to hold you for a minute or two on the other side. I to want we'll talk about this poll and then we'll talk about a political miracle, the meteoric rise of Nigel Farage and the Reform Party. Nothing short of breathtaking and stunning. Birch Gold's our sponsor always for the Saturday show. Short commercial break Matthew Goodwin, on the other side.

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[Josh Pettit]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Okay, Matthew Goodwin, who's one of the real great thinkers, academic from academia, about populist nationalism throughout the world. So, brother Goodwin, here's what I don't get. Because we had Breitbart London and Raheem and the whole team, we were there. Nigel gave us a big shout out the morning afterwards and said, hey, if we hadn't had Breitbart London, we might not have Brexit. Because the Daily Telegraph, nobody would would cover it. Nobody would support it. I thought we had Brexit. I thought we worked for Brexit to get your sovereignty back. How could nine years on, you essentially be saying. Not essentially, you are saying, and you're one of the most serious guys I've met, you're saying we're losing our country. I thought Brexit was supposed to solve that, sir.

[Ben Harnwell]

Well, Brexit was about what the people wanted. And the people said loudly, we want to live in an independent, self governing sovereign nation which controls its own borders and has lower immigration. So the people told the elites what they wanted. This is the story of Great Britain that we want to see. And what happened after that vote in 2016 is the elite class refused to listen to that. And we had Boris Johnson, especially part of the Tory elite, the so called Conservative elite, who won an enormous victory in 2019 when people said, look, just get this thing done, get Brexit done. Boris Johnson won that big majority, pretending to be a sort of Churchillian Conservative, presenting himself like Winston Churchill. But what Boris Johnson then did is he opened the floodgates to mass uncontrolled immigration, even more immigration than we had before Brexit and all of it. Steve, coming from outside of Europe, here's one statistic I want every American to think about. 81% of all immigration into the UK today comes from outside of Europe, comes from Pakistan, Nigeria, China, Eritrea, Afghanistan, Iraq. How can you, how can you maintain a nation that is experiencing that kind of cultural, religious, demographic change? So, you know, after Covid and the lockdowns, which again presided over by the elite class. Nigel, I've known him a long time, 15 years. I could sense he was just getting more and more frustrated with this thing. And then last year, 2024, we had this big general election and he said, you Know what? I got to come back. I got to finish this project. And the moment he did, his new party reform just exploded in the polls. Now up to 34% of the vote. Why is it doing so well, Steve? It's now winning over more than half of all those people who voted for Brexit, all those people who said, hey, elites, are you listening to us? We want less immigration, we want border control. We don't want London and financial services getting everything. We don't want to sell off our traditional industry, our steel and our coal in the name of this crazy green net zero project. And they weren't listening to the people. So now the people are taking back control of the system and they're pushing reform forward like they push Brexit forward. And I think this is what separates national populism in my mind from the established class. I think just two principles. One is national populists believe that the true source of power, authority and legitimacy, other people, that makes them different from the elite class because the elites believe the true source of power, authority and legitimacy lies with other elites like them. But the second key principle, which Nigel recognizes and President Trump recognizes is we believe in the principle of national preference. We believe that in everything from the economy to housing to borders, it is your own people, tax paying citizens who should be prioritized. We don't think all cultures are equal. We don't think everybody around the world is the same. We don't want to buy into this globalist mush. We believe there is a distinctive, unique nation that should be preserved and should be protected. And I think Nigel understands the power of that, which is why he's now leading in the polls. And all the bookmakers, you know, the betting company, Steve, they say if there was an election tomorrow, odds on Nigel Farage will be the next prime minister. So this is going to be another unbelievable chapter in this ongoing story, which is ultimately about the people saying, we want our country back, we want it back from this elite class, we want it back from mass immigration, we want it back from the globalists, we want it back from Brussels. You know, we want it for ourselves and our families and our children. And until the elite class get that and start making compromises with the people, they're going to be blown away. And that's what's going to happen, I think, at the next general election.

[Matthew Goodwin]

And you have an announcement too, I take it. You're now in the, you're going to the, into the trenches, to the front lines of this.

[Ben Harnwell]

Well, Steve, let me say I spent 20 years in the universities. I became the youngest Professor in the UK, the age of 33. As a political scientist, I went through all the universities. And I think you get to a point in your life where you look around and you say, am I actually just going to write about this or am I going to try and do something to save my country? And over the last 12 months, I've come to the view, looking at this disaster, of mass uncontrolled immigration, which is exactly what it is. It's a disaster looking at the contempt with which the elites in Westminster hold their own people, which has been appalling to me. I come from a working class background. I'm not like these guys. I didn't go to Oxford, I didn't go to Cambridge. And I've seen and heard how they talk about the ordinary people behind closed doors and it's, it's worse than people think. And I said, okay, I've got to put my head above the parapet. I got to get involved. So I'm going around the country, I'm speaking at branches, I'm speaking at meetings. You know, we're building a massive community on all of the social media. You know that we've got Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and X. And I said to Nigel very clearly and directly like, I'm at your service. You want to put me in at the next election? Let's go. Like, let's, let's take back our country.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Matthew, how do people get to you on social media? How they get to your site, all your writing, Sir.

[Ben Harnwell]

Yeah. So I actually have the biggest politics newsletter in the UK on [e-mail] we got over 82,000 people who are all hungry for change. We give you all the evidence and the information that you need to critique mass immigration. It's. It's all based on evidence. It's all based on reliable information. We're not misleading people. We are just telling them what on earth is going on in what was once upon a time one of the greatest nations on earth, one of the greatest civilizations, because people can't trust legacy media anymore. And we're giving them the truth and we're helping them to plan, helping them to campaign and building this new ecosystem that I think is going to ultimately help Nigel get into number 10 Downing street and I think that's the crucial first step to taking back our country. And the last thing I would say, Steve, while I'm on, is you guys completely called this. I remember both yourself and Raheem Rahim Kassam more than 10 years ago saying this is where it's going to go. And here we are, 2025 and you guys were absolutely on the money. So kudos to you guys.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Matthews, thank you so much. Your original book on that is outstanding. We'll make sure audience gets everything.

[Steve Bannon]

How do they get.

[Matthew Goodwin]

They go to substack and subscribe to your substack.

[Ben Harnwell]

That's right. Matt Goodwin.org Just Google me, they'll find it and come on board. If you're interested in what's going on in Europe, we'll tell you all the craziness that's going on, the attacks on free speech, you know, this new definition of Islamophobia that our government is trying to impose on us. So we can't debate Islam, we can't criticize Islam. If you're out there and you're interested in the countercultural perspective, you know, get involved and we're learning from America. So, you know, I'd say to all of your viewers and listeners, if you think there are things we can learn from the Trump take back, let us know because, you know, this movement's going into government, Steve. I mean, Nigel Farage is going into government and the state, and I've said this to him, the state is going to launch a war on Nigel Farage and reform. So anything we can learn from the differences between Trump won and Trump to anything we can learn about how you take on the state and how you can root out, you know, the swamp and all the rest of it, you know, anyone out there with useful tips, just get them to me.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Matthew, fantastic. Take care and thanks for taking a Saturday when you got, you got a three year old you're looking after. So thank you, sir. Juggling. It's a global revolution. This is why we cover Bolsonaro so closely and front national and alternative for Deutschland. And what's happening in Italy, of course, the great Viktor Orban, Poland. I think Mo's going over to the Polish inauguration. We have a whole team going over there, poso is going, etc. Just extraordinary. Do I have Taj Gil? Taj, brother, now more than ever I need a, I need a good strong cup of coffee. I'm gonna need a couple, three cup of coffees. Get me through the day. We got a lot going on here.

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[Matthew Goodwin]

Ben Harnwell from Rome. You know a couple of things about this. Is President Trump right? Is Matt Goodwin correct? Are the polls that show and folks, the reason this poll so stunning. The reform guys have no money. This is all bootstrapped. Nigel's in Commons right now, but if you see, I could show you videos, Nigel, you can't even hear him when he stands up to speak. He's shouted down by both parties, the Tories and the in labor, it's 34% for reform. Ben, it's 16%. I think for the Tories. The Tories been around for a couple hundred years. I mean, hell, they've run, they've run Great Britain for two thirds of that time. What is going on? And Trump throws down right when he gets off the plane, says, hey, look, I'm talking, you know, the head of the EU's coming over. I'm going to talk to Starmer. We're trying to cut this deal with the eu. But hey, forget about it. You got to take care of. If this mass migration, mass immigration problem didn't get solved, you're not even going to have a, you're not going to have countries. Forget Europe. Ben Harnwell from Rome, your thoughts and observations.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, let's tie all these things together. Stephen, good morning to you. Firstly, just to recap what President Trump said this morning on his, on his flight over on immigration, you better get your act together. You're not going to have Europe anymore. And that is an absolute throwdown to Ursula von der Leyen, who's flying out there to meet POTUS in Scotland. And as Matt Goodwin was saying, Europe, specifically the uk, is taking inspiration from the fact that the most powerful, economically powerful, culturally powerful, militarily powerful nation in the history of mankind is sending people back. And when the United States does that, when it actually embarks on forced repatriations, it basically throws great difficulty in the performative center right political spectrum because words are no longer satisfactory. Right. If Donald Trump is actually sending people back, then, you know, and you saw, you see this definitely in the uk, less so in Italy, because there still isn't a credible alternative to Giorgia Meloni. But just the words that, you know, we need to have stronger controls and, you know, we need to take people's concerns into consideration. It's not going to do the trick. And here's the thing, Steve, about the uk, and as you say, the Tory Party is the world's oldest political party. And it's over recent generation and a half, its political leadership really has driven that party into the ground. You mentioned Boris Johnson. I still to this day have a small residue of affection for that guy. But when was the last time we saw political leadership in the Tory party fight for the UK's interests with the intensity and passion that Boris Johnson fought for Ukraine? That's why the Tory Party is imploding, because they can't even pretend to care about the people whose votes are hemorrhaging away to Nigel Farage and reform. Let me repeat that. When was the last time in the UK a Conservative leader fought for the for British interests with the passion and dedication that Boris Johnson fought for Zelensky and the Zelensky regime in Ukraine? And you'd really need to go back to the days of Margaret Thatcher. And that's why you see that the pole flip that you see that came out two days ago. That's why reform is on 34%, because Nigel Farage has been absolutely consistent. It's a guy I first met in 1999, 1998, actually, when he was first running for his seat in the European Parliament. He has said the same thing. In fact, you could look at a Nigel Farage speech, you wouldn't know by looking at the speech when it was said because he's been so consistent. And if there's one thing you can say about the British people is that they are fair. They may be weak occasionally, they may not come out and burn tractors. And what have you on the roads like the French do. But if it's one attribute that you can say in favor of the Brits is that they are fair and they respect being fair. They respect Nigel Farage's integrity and his coherence. And the polls are finally starting to show that, as Matt Goodwin said in the last segment, if there were an election today, Nigel Farage would win that. And that's right. That's absolutely right. Because, you know, it's the same thing that we're discussing just a few days ago in Japan with that San Haito political party. People are getting, you know, they're beyond fed up that actually very difficult to get someone to change political affiliation. But it's actually happening. It's happening right around the world, drawing inspiration from the United States because people are not, it's not that they're fed up. They will no longer tolerate the performative going through the motions of the centre right political establishment. And the UK is going to be the next to fall.

[Matthew Goodwin]

The lesson for us, and this gets Tulsi's conspiracy and this Epstein thing is that you had Brexit nine years ago and it's actually, you could argue it's worse today. Right.

[Steve Bannon]

Don't get me wrong, you've gotten your.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Sovereignty back to a degree, but the elites have refused to implement it. Is that a lesson for the United States? This is why we must take on the deep state. I mean, we don't have a choice. If you don't do that, if you don't break that, all the tax cuts, everything we've done is just going to be unwound over time. Sir, your observations.

[Unknown Speaker]

What did the Tory party do when David Cameron, the then Prime Minister, who called that referendum? What did the Tory Party do when David Cameron resigned as Prime Minister in order to deal with the fallout of Brexit? Before you got on to the get Brexit done, they handed the party over to Theresa May who campaigned to remain. That is in your face, contempt for a political party to its, to its public. The toy party loses a referendum. Right? The British, I think it was about 50, 53, 47. It was a clear decisive result. And the Tory Party, David Cameron resigns and the next day, the next Prime Minister is Theresa May who campaigned to remain. That is one of the reasons to this day, you know, they tried to. Steve, the point is they tried to sabotage the Tory Party, tried to sabotage the effectiveness, the opportunities of Brexit from day one. And the British people stood there and you know, you say Brexit hasn't been implemented to the best of the potential that's there. And that's absolutely true. And that's deliberate as absolutely deliberate. And you see these signs from the political leadership of both political parties sort of dropping hints occasionally about, you know, perhaps we should go back in. That is one thing that the British public to this day are adamant they do not want to see. Even if it has been painful for the UK and even if the British Tory party has tried, had tried when it was in power to sabotage that result, the British public are absolutely adamant they do not want to go back into the European Union. So we need a political party that is going to make the best out of independence and the nationalist integrity that being outside of the union affords. Because I voted for Brexit, I haven't had a scintilla of regret over that. But it has been a painful experience for the uk. There are some advantages to being inside the European Union. For a country like the uk, the advantages of being out vastly supersede the advantages of being in the Union. But there are certain advantages of being in the European Union. We need a political party as a government like reform uk led by someone like Nigel Farage to draw out those advantages so that the working class, the middle class of the, of the UK can start to perceive the benefits that being outside of that union afford. Because the whole grifting political class is dependent. You know, it was brilliant for the Steve Brexit because above all the elected opportunity you had in Parliament, if you lost your seat, if you were thrown out by the electorate at the general election, you could then go kissing up and try and get an even bigger grift going by getting yourself elected to Brussels, a sinecure there of which all the benefits and the killing, metrage and everything vastly exceed the grift available to an ordinary backbench member of Parliament. It was their insurance opportunity. You had the opportunities for the civil service to go out to Brussels, to Strasbourg, to Luxembourg, where they paid 10% income tax. And it was great for the political class because if they got kicked out, they had an insurance ticket to play. The only people who didn't benefit out of it were tax paying pricks outside of the political system who had no interest in joining that racket because they just wanted to work decent jobs and get on with their lives and prosper and pass something on, a better future to their kids. Right, so, so you, you have all the elites coming together and plotting against the British people. So, you know, 34% for reform. Let's, let's you know, that's good. That might even inch itself up between now and the next general election. That might even inch itself up a couple more points. Let's hope so, because Nigel Farage certainly deserves it.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Where do you get we'll get to Ukraine next week. We got a lot to go through. Where do people get you over the weekend on social media, Sir?

[Unknown Speaker]

Thanks, Steve. On geta, my social media platform of choice, just tap in my surname, Harnwell, and I do have some pretty provocative posts at the top of my feed waiting for you. Thanks, Steve. God bless.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Pretty provocative. Thank you, sir. Ben Harnwell from Rome, Josh Pettit joins us. Josh, the President Trump and people should know these are his kind of beloved.

[Steve Bannon]

Properties he has.

[Matthew Goodwin]

He's at he flew over to Turnberry. Why is it so controversial about Turnberry, about President Trump being there? President Trump own it. It's one of the great golf links in the world. It's one of the best, used to be one of the best venues for the Open Championship as the formal title of the British Open. Why is, why is Trump, why is that? Why everything, all the money's put in, how he's turned around. Why is this not accepted by the Roland Ancient, the elites of British golf, as one of their championship venues? Sir?

[Josh Pettit]

Well, Steve, the as Americans would call it, the British Open, but globally it's referred to as the Open Championship. It's the oldest and most prestigious tournament in championship golf. They just conducted the 153rd Open. It's been, it's been going on since 1860, and it's the most prestigious championship in golf. And it has a long history of being hosted on these fantastic links golf courses in the UK and sometimes in Northern Ireland, which it just was in Port Rush last week. But and it's been hosted at Turnberry, which is now Trump Turnberry four times. The last time was 2009. And for a golf lover like President Trump and a prolific golf course developer, naturally it would be the dream of a developer like President Trump to host an Open Championship on one of his properties. The only problem with that is, as I said, the Open is always hosted on these old historic golf courses. So a developer like President Trump couldn't build a new golf resort and host the Open Championship, like, for instance, his Trump Aberdeen property, which I think we'll get to in a minute. As good as it is, it would never be able to host an Open Championship because the rna, the Royal Nature and Golf Club of St. Andrews, which is the governing body of golf in partnership with the usga, they only hosted on these old historic properties. And so entertainment TRUMP In 2014, he bought this property, Turnberry, that has this long history of hosting the Open Championship.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Turnberry was actually Josh. Hang on for one second. We're going to take a short commercial break. I want to get to the punchline after the break because this shows you how much the global elites detest and hate President Trump. Even historic venue and arguably one of the greatest venues in the Open Championship out because of ownership of Donald Trump. Short break.

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[Josh Pettit]

Well, most architecture aficionados will tell you that of the courses on the Open road at Turnberry is right up there as one of the best, you know, right. With St. Andrews and maybe Mirfield, architecturally speaking, and from a strategic and the challenging standpoint, it's a fantastic venue. But when Trump acquired the property in 2014, and, yeah, as you mentioned, he invested a bunch of capital to rehab it, and it's absolutely fantastic. Everybody raves about the changes he made. But then, you know, he began his political career in 2015, and then we know the rest. So the RNA, the Royal Ancient, their position pre2020 was that they weren't comfortable hosting an Open there because they thought the focus would be on the owner and not the golf. That's their stated position. Then, you know, after, after 2021, they said, you know, when January 6th happened, they used that as an excuse. They said that they, they feared for security concerns due to the events that happened in January 6th. So that that was their official reasoning for pulling it. That and like logistical issues and transportation issues, it is hard to get people there.

[Matthew Goodwin]

But that was, that was an excuse they put, they pulled it because of January 6th. They said, Trump is not acceptable to us and we will never. They never thought he was coming back. They thought they had seen the last of Trump. Surprise.

[Steve Bannon]

He's now just back, he's in Scotland in their face.

[Josh Pettit]

Sir that's exactly right. And then as of 2023, the RNA's position was as long as Trump or the Trump family owned the golf resort, they would not host an Open there. That was their stated position. And then earlier this year, like, I think in January, February, the new chief of the rna, he sort of eased off of that position. He said, well, you know, it may return, but it's not going to be returning anytime soon. Fast forward a few months, and now they've, I think, announced, I think it's public knowledge that they've been in conversations with the Trump Organization. And my sources on the ground tell me that these are High level conversations. And the Open will return there eventually. And my guess is that.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. We only got a couple of minutes. I'm gonna have you on Monday to talk about his new courses because that's a whole nother set of controversy. I'm gonna stay in Turnberry. You're breaking news here. Your high level sources are telling you that they're open, the Rolling Nation are open to have Trump own, with Trump's ownership, bring Turnberry back into the Open rota.

[Josh Pettit]

Yep, that's exactly right. Enough people in the golf world and I spent a good amount of time over in the UK and Scotland and England, they're fed up with the politicization of golf. You know, it shouldn't be politicized. And the RNA has really dipped their toe into politics and they're kind of tired of it. And these are people that I don't know their political stances, but they're just tired of the politicization and they want golf. They want their greatest championship, arguably one of the greatest, most important sporting events on the global stage, to be hosted at the greatest venues. And so they've heard enough backlash and they know that there's a demand to host it back at Turnberry and they're in high level talks right now with the Trump Organization to bring it back. My guess is it may happen in 2028 or 2029. I mean, to be pretty good for President Trump. You know, he always likes to talk about how he's got the World cup in 2026, you know, the semi quincentennial, the American under 50th and then the Olympics in 28. And so to have the Open, let's say in 28 or maybe 29, I'd.

[Matthew Goodwin]

Like it in 29 because it'd be the, be the first, first summer of his, of his third term. Josh, where do people go on social media? We're going to have you back Monday. Talk about President Trump's two. He'll be at his other courses in Scotland, his new ones on Monday. We'll have you back. Where do people go, sir?

[Josh Pettit]

My website is, I managed the Alistair Mackenzie Institute and it's Alistair McKenzie.org and we're on X, Twitter, Instagram, you can find us all there.

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