
Episode 4689: Lies Behind Gerrymandering In Texas; The True Fight For 2026 ...
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Stephen K. Bannon
Is an affordability crisis. We inherited a big affordability crisis. And you know, we've got, as I said, President Trump's doing peace deals, tax deals, trade deals. We've got the tax deal in place as you kicked off the top of this segment with the trade deals are largely done and now we can really hone in on the affordability at Treasury. We're going to be looking at what we can do for housing, for student loans, for overall, because there is an affordability crisis. The first step in easing the affordability crisis was to bring down inflation. Inflation in May was down for the first time in four years. So to address it, you've got to.
Brian Harrison
Stop the increase first.
Stephen K. Bannon
And there are two ways to address it. The affordability crisis, you can stop the inflation and you can have a very strong real wage gains, which is what I think this manufacturing renaissance is going.
Brian Harrison
To do, says Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Trump have agreed to meet in the coming days and a venue.
Stephen K. Bannon
Has even been selected. The announcement comes just one day after.
Brian Harrison
Trump's envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, met with Putin in Moscow. Trump called that meeting highly productive, adding that great progr was made. Witkoff has visited Moscow a handful of times in the past few months as.
Stephen K. Bannon
The Trump administration pushes for an end.
Brian Harrison
To the war in Ukraine.
Stephen K. Bannon
Now, it's not known exactly when Trump.
Brian Harrison
And Putin will meet, but yesterday a White House official told NBC News that discussion could happen as soon as next week if Putin also agrees to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Stephen K. Bannon
It's not clear if Putin has agreed.
Brian Harrison
To that yet, with the Kremlin aid saying their focus is on preparing for.
Stephen K. Bannon
The bilateral meeting with Trump. So still a few steps.
Alex DeGrasse
Joe.
Stephen K. Bannon
President Trump just posted on social media that he's basically ordering a mid decade census, a new census, he says. I have instructed the Department of Commerce to immediately begin work on a new.
Brian Harrison
And highly accurate census based on modern.
Stephen K. Bannon
Day facts and figures and importantly, using the results and information gained from the presidential election of 2024. People who are in the country illegally will not be counted in the census. Thank you for your attention to this matter. And I'm going to pull up the section of the Constitution that deals with the census because it actually is in the Constitution of the United States. That constitution, it says the actual enumeration.
Brian Harrison
Meaning the census shall be made within.
Stephen K. Bannon
Three years after the first meeting of Congress of the United States. That's what the country was founded and within every census subsequent term of 10 years in such manner as they shall by law, direct. So the Constitution says you have a sentence every 10 years, just like you redistrict every 10 years. Now the president, four years, five years into the decade, he wants to do it all again. Doug, what do you see here? Well, look, clearly he's trying to make a play for it to be more palatable for what's happening in Texas and other states. And I'll tell you, John, I've. I've worked on redistricting my entire career, going back to 1992. I helped file a Supreme Court case in North Carolina. Redistricting. I know this issue very well. I don't like what we're seeing in Texas. But this is nothing new. We've seen this time after time. Republicans do it, Democrats do it. Gerrymandering is named after a Democrat. And I think of how many times on this network and on other networks, I heard my Democratic friends say, you know what we need? We need more Republicans, more Republicans like Adam Kinzinger. And what did Illinois Democrats do at that same time? They drew Adam Kinzinger out of his district. They drew other members out of their district. And the reality is this is a bipartisan problem. It's a bipartisan issue. And as I watch Democrats in Illinois, now Texas Democrats in Illinois, I think of what Michael Corleone told us, Senator, we're both part of the same hypocrisy. And Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Announced that his department will be cutting nearly $500 million in funding for. For MRNA vaccine development. NBC News is reporting, quote. Many scientists and infectious disease experts swiftly denounced the move as a broadside attack on the area of research, particularly those who have seen this as promising. After rapidly developing Covid vaccines, basically, the way we, for your audience, the way we've been designing vaccines prior to MRNA, had serious cons. It took 10 to 15 years, Stephanie, to develop. It wasn't nimble in the setting of a crisis like a pandemic. And it came with significant S effects. That approach actually caused more side effects than what we're seeing with MRNA vaccines, where the side effect profile is actually quite minimal, regardless of the misinformation environment. So none of this makes sense. We can look at the data. As you know, we did this for.
Brian Harrison
Five years during the pandemic.
Stephen K. Bannon
But none of this makes sense and.
Brian Harrison
Actually doesn't help his legacy whatsoever.
Stephen K. Bannon
It's horrible. I mean, this is horrible and it's incredibly sad. Dr. Gupta outlined it. But I mean, to take one of the more promising advancements and just to.
Alex DeGrasse
Say you know what? We're not going to do that anymore is an unbelievable dereliction of duty. And yes, I'm deeply mad at RFK Jr. For doing this, but Donald Trump put this man in this position.
Stephen K. Bannon
Donald Trump knowing exactly who he was and what he was going to do.
Alex DeGrasse
Donald Trump, who boasted repeatedly about the success of Operation Warp Speed and should and had.
Stephen K. Bannon
And rightfully so.
Alex DeGrasse
Rightfully so. It was an incredible achievement.
Stephen K. Bannon
Decided as a matter of political convenience that he was going to incorporate the RFK junior Coalition into his own. And the price he paid was by.
Alex DeGrasse
Making RFK junior HHS secretary.
Stephen K. Bannon
And the repercussions for that we will live with not just today, not just.
Alex DeGrasse
Next year, but for 10 years to come. And I just feel years and years.
Stephen K. Bannon
To come, I should say. And I just.
Alex DeGrasse
It is a. It's unbelievable to think what we could.
Stephen K. Bannon
Prevent, the diseases we could prevent, the.
Alex DeGrasse
Suffering and deaths we could prevent that will not be prevented because of this decision.
Stephen K. Bannon
Oh, there's bad news of. Because Health Secretary RFK Jr. Just pulled.
Brian Harrison
$500 million in funding for vaccine development.
Stephen K. Bannon
Now we have 10 more months of this show and I want to give a measured non partisan response here. You, you, Roy, adult NEP.
Alex DeGrasse
Specifically, specifically.
Stephen K. Bannon
Specifically, Bobby Jr. Is nixing 22 projects that use MRNA technology.
Brian Harrison
But that's the latest vaccine technology. That's like saying, kids, I'm turning off the gps.
Stephen K. Bannon
We're going to make our way to.
Brian Harrison
Six Flags by using the stars. Hand daddy the sextant. Yes.
Stephen K. Bannon
Crank down windows in daddy's car.
Brian Harrison
There you go.
Stephen K. Bannon
All right.
Brian Harrison
There you go.
Alex DeGrasse
Colbert has no talent. I mean, I could take anybody here. I could go outside in the beautiful streets and pick a couple of people that do just as well. Or better they get higher ratings than he did. He's got no talent.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yesterday.
Brian Harrison
Yesterday, RFK Jr tried to defend the indefensible.
Alex DeGrasse
Most of these shots are for flu or Covid. But as the pandemic showed us, MRNA.
Stephen K. Bannon
Vaccines don't perform well against viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract.
Brian Harrison
You.
Alex DeGrasse
You roadkill munching luddite human slim Jim.
Brian Harrison
You'Re gonna kill people. Why?
Stephen K. Bannon
Why would you say that MRNA vaccines.
Brian Harrison
Don'T perform well against upper respiratory infections? The National Institutes of Health said they.
Stephen K. Bannon
Prevented an estimated 14.4 million deaths. Why?
Brian Harrison
Why on earth is Ant RFK Jr.
Stephen K. Bannon
So anxious to fill our streets with dead bodies? That scene.
Alex DeGrasse
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
Stephen K. Bannon
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Alex DeGrasse
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Stephen K. Bannon
If that answer is to save my.
Alex DeGrasse
Country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Band. It's Thursday the 7th of August, year of our Lord 2025. You would think August would slow down with the House and Senate out, but it's an avalanche of news and important events. In looking downrange obviously on the Ukraine war and the Russian rapprochement, President Trump Witkoff has done his job. Looks like teeing up a meeting. The President United States has done something pretty extraordinary as Tom Cotton sent a letter to the board of intel and the President of the United States. We'll get to this later. Michael Pack will join us. He's demanded that the CEO, the newly installed CEO of Intel step down because of relationships with the Chinese Communist Party. Pretty extraordinary. Tom Cotton, Senator Cotton Mr. President, we can also give you a list. I don't know, maybe a hundred other hundred other individuals ought to be included in that, but it's a damn good start. President Trump comes out with something we've been banging on the drum about a lot and that is a mid decade census. President Trump now saying he's ordering the Department of Commerce to do it. All of this extraordinary. Scott Bessen today doing the round starting on Morning Joe. Doing the rounds today the tariffs kick in. Everybody mocked President Trump on Liberation Day to April and he said, hey, I'll have it done in a couple of months. Well, guess what, it's early August and effective today, I think the entire commercial relationships of the world are being reorganized there. You saw Stephen Colbert with the and quite frankly the responsibility he has because he's one of these airheads that push the vax and you saw the dancing needles. Remember how cute he thought he was at the time. And Foucher, you don't see Fauci making the rounds much anymore, do you know? Because I think his lawyers have told him to shut up and just crawl under a rock. Colbert will also do that. I'm not so sure. Colbert says hey, we have another year on that show. I'm not so sure that's going to happen. The Paramount deal has closed. CBS is under new management. They already canceled his show. I'm not so sure he makes it into the fall season, particularly doing routines like that. We're gonna have Dr. Steven Hatfield, as you remember, Dr. Hatfield was a war room regular for the first couple of weeks of War Room Pandemic when he then went to the White House and was one of the associates working with Dr. Peter Navarro through the entire pandemic situation. He's gonna be joining us over he's over at HHS now. He's gonna be joining us to talk about the MRNA vaccine and the reality behind it. As we've kind of argued, you've got to come out with more of the data, the more of the receipts. You've got all these studies. Let's curate them and put them forward. Dr. Hatfield will be talking about that today. Alex de Grasse, of course, the business at hand is really the leading political story. I guess maybe the Putin story may top this right now, but just barely. And that is this range war going throughout the United States on the redistricting the Hill newspaper and I've got it up on Getter. Remember, I put my stuff up exclusively on Getter. So go check it out. The Hill had a really good story today about Ron DeSantis. Governor DeSantis jumping into the game here. Florida is going to be next. Brian Harrison is going to join us. We still have action items have not been done yet. A punch list for the posse to make sure we're we're doing deeds down in Texas, not words. Alex DeGrasse joins us. Alex, first off, you're going to hang through the next segment also, but tell me about the mid decade census. This is something we've needed to do for a long time. It's not and I'll admit Stephen Miller and I had the census in 2017 teed up 2018 that would exclude illegal aliens. At the time, the Commerce Department had a bunch of globalists in it. We kind of blinked and it didn't happen. President Trump's not making that mistake again. He says no way. We're going to do it and do it right. No illegal aliens. How big a deal got about a minute to grasp. How big a deal is that for us?
Stephen K. Bannon
If we zoom out, Steve, we've got three things here. Okay. We've got obviously that what we've been talking about on the show all week and prior, of course, the Texas redistricting. You're looking at we talked about 12 seats. Now it's 13. Now they're talking about 15, 16, you've got South Carolina, you've got other states looking at things. That's one front. And we'll get more in the weeds on that. Obviously the census and not including illegal immigrants, which again something the war room and you have been talking about for like since the start of the show of course Steve would be systematically change modern American politics. And the other third aspect that we're talking about here, Steve, is the voting rights, you know, is up in the Supreme Court. They said wait, hold on, do we need race based seats? You know, does this go against the 14th and 15th amendment? And does it, you know, does the Constitution supersede, you know, racial seat drawing? Of course now and if that happens, you've got these three vectors, you know, back of the envelope math. This morning when I woke up with the smile was Democrats could lose 42 seats and that would, that would change the whole ballgame here.
Alex DeGrasse
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Sign up for free and be part of the movement. Welcome back. Remember, in 20 oh by the way. So I'm going to get into it also to this afternoon and this evening. Philip Patrick's going to join me. Lula's throwing down hard on the brics now because of the trade deals, all of it. They're actively talking about the de dollarization. So we're going to have a lot more of that. Get up to speed if you want to understand and get a deep understanding. Birchgold.com Bannon ended the dollar empire. The best assessment of it ever written, I might say proudly. Over four years, seven, three installments in eighth and ninth are coming. Get up to speed today and get a relationship with Philip Patrick and team. A lot going to be happening with Gold, I can tell you that. Alex DeGrasse, you started coming on here in late 21 and in 22 and we kind of changed the whole course of the 22 midterms, sir, with this whole fight for the redistricting. Talk to me now. I want to pull back because I want to go back to the big picture camera of the converging forces here and what the founders had in mind and how all that creates a unique with the demographic shifts in the country, some driven by politics. Why this is a unique this is an inflection point of modern American politics and it's people like the Warren Posse that know this years in advance and get to work years in advance. And that's how we change things, sir.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, that's right, Steve. I mean this is really almost the whole ball game when you look at it because there's so many complicating factors that come off of this. So I think we've spoken a lot about the mid cycle redistricting and I think the posse has a good handle on why that's important. Of course it's expanding into other states now talking about it, especially in the context of the Supreme Court case. But let's talk about the Census and get into the specifics. Of course the founders were very clear, Steve. I mean they wanted and you know, the spread out power and this is for all the reporters watching is every time I come on here recently, I'm getting hammered by all these people going crazy. Look, they're very clear. They want to spread out power. They want, that's why we have electoral college. We don't want mob mass rule. There's a reason we have the checks and balances in the Republic and one of which is the congressional seats. It's why they're up every two years and they're supposed to provide equal representation. And that's the whole point, Steve, is it's not equal because you've got certain areas that are loaded up with illegal immigrants that then what happens is for the posse to get into the weeds, since of course we live in the weeds. When you count these illegal immigrants, then that affects the equation for funding for everything. So you've got areas, New York, California, where they've got millions and millions of illegal immigrants that are taking billions and billions and billions and billions of, of taxpayer dollars that we can't even account for. We have no idea because it's just sort of in this sort of. I mean we understand what they're putting to the shelters and that's billions and billions. But I'm talking about everyday sort of benefits that are unfairly calculated. And then of course the congressional seats are counted for the guys that want and the ladies that want to get into the weeds. Look at the votes go. Look at how many people vote in certain districts and then go in these cities and you look at, there's like half the amount of votes sometimes in some of these places. And that's because the seats are filled with illegal immigrants that can't vote. And so that's the heart of the argument. Of course the left says, hey, it doesn't explicitly say citizens when you talk about the census. Well, it's about the eagle representation and what forms the census. And what the census forms of course, is the House lines is how things are dispersed with, with federal funding. And so if you cut that, I mean we will, we, we don't even know, Steve. We can only imagine how many seats we will lose. We will hollow out the cities where the Democrats. Now it's the Democrats fault, Steve, that they're in a position and they are so politically toxic and unpopular where they need to rely on city votes. It's their issue that they get 70, 80%. Right? That's, that's their problem. If they want to be competitive, they need to change their policies and become more, I guess, like the like populism and the war room and take their message to the suburbs, to the rural parts. Will they'll be able to compete once we redraw these lines. So that's why I'm saying if we go through this and we're victorious, you will actually we will stop the Marxist left then the tracks. This is the most important aspect of politics and government that are ongoing right now. I could not be happier that President Trump is going forward with this. I think it will be a tough fight. And so that's the census front. And then you've got in Louisiana, you know, we had sued, some voters had sued. They said, hey, you know, it's not really fair. If you're looking at, you know, of course there was a reason I'm not here to dispute, you know, the segregation, all those things that happened, you know, 50, 60 years ago, even before in the Civil War, of course. But, you know, now you're looking at, hey, it's not fair where you've got to put certain racials together, certain things. And then it affects representation in other states. And of course we have equal rights in this country. I would love anyone to try to dispute that now that people don't all have equal rights. And so if you get rid of these, you know, minority and racial based districts, you will, you will lose quite a lot of Democrat seats because what you will allow to do is what they've done in New England, Steve, where you've got in Massachusetts, in Connecticut, where President Trump gets 35, 38% in New York, 40.
Alex DeGrasse
Right.
Stephen K. Bannon
Where you don't have a single Republican seat in some of these areas just because of how they've gerrymandered it. And if you didn't have the protection.
Alex DeGrasse
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. All the bellyaching they're doing and the governor of Massachusetts gets up there. All of New England was the five or six states in New England, you know, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, there's not one member, not one Republican member in the entire New England. It's completely gun decked up there and gerrymandered. Right. We don't have one seat in the entire place. And the Massachusetts governor is getting up there saying we're going to get, hey, lady, there's no Republicans in the Massachusetts congressional delegation. Alex.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, I mean, she's one of the biggest fools in the country, to be honest with you. And the mayor of Boston, too, is another delegation disaster for the posse out there. I mean, really, some of the dumbest people on the planet, frankly. But I mean, that's exactly right, Steve. And the reality is MAGA is not a protected race. Of course, white people are not a protected race, or conservatives or Catholics or however you want to dice it. And so that's why in the New England states, of course, they're able to gerrymander. And hey, that's the game, right? We're talking about the same thing in many regards. So they do it. And then, of course, we can't necessarily optimize, you know, fair representation in the south, as we would say. And we have to kind of create these seats based off race, which of course then lean politically to the left. And so if we were able to split the cities like they do in the north, where they kind of force urban to kind of counter multiple seats, you look at some of these maps, you've got multiple seats that kind of stretch into the cities where they can. And it's sort of a disaster. And I think if we can break it, Steve, we will see literally the biggest shift in politics because the Democrats will have to abandon their far left policy positions because they will be absolutely not competitive. They will not be able to retake the House. They will have no path to victory, Steve. Absolutely no path to victory. If they were to lose 42 seats. I mean, they just can't. The fact is, of course, as we talked about, they've already gerrymandered most of the seats. They can maybe squeeze an additional 10 between California and New York, and most likely not this cycle, but half of that maybe in the next cycle. And that's it. Because they've kind of squeezed everything. Of course, we're playing their game, Steve. So that's why we can't back down. We've got to hold the line. This really is the fight not just on the redistricting, but how it connects with the census as well as, you know, the voting rights case in front of the Supreme Court, which is huge.
Alex DeGrasse
You know, you make, you make a great point about the policies. They got to change their policies. Let's go back to what's in front of us today. We're going to have Harrison on in a moment. And you got to get some, we got to get some action of real deeds there, not just performance art, which the Texas elite are perfect at. You got to actually get down and grind these Democrats. The Hill newspaper today about Florida. Look, you were, you sounded the alarm to us a couple of Years ago about the Florida situation on the map that Tallahassee, because remember Tallahassee may be the most corrupt state capital in the country next to Albany. Right. And it was Alex DeGrasse that came forward. That's where we got the map that we've got in Florida right now because of Alex DeGrasse warning and the Warren posse getting on it. With Texas going as it is, the next stop is Florida for a potential five seats. Governor DeSantis, now it looks like he's not just warming to the idea, but it's going to happen. How important is it in this cycle for us to get to flip the five seats in Florida, sir?
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, I think, of course if Texas goes through, which it should, and then I think you're going to see California. I mean this will be escalatory, right? Of course. And so we will take every state. We'll take Indiana, will take South Carolina, will take Missouri, it'll take Florida. I mean we were talking about 12, now people are talking about 15, 16 as more states started looking at what they can do. And of course if the Supreme Court rules in the direction to get rid of these seats, I think you could see more lawsuits and more states sort of redrawing another 10 there, of course, Steve, pretty quickly. And then of course the census, which is a longer term thing, you know, you could, you could. We don't even know. We would love to know. It'd be great to know how many where the illegals are because what's going to happen is they're not going to go. They're going to pan panic, they're not going to get counted, they're going to depreciate all the representation in the cities and that will really empower states like New York where you have in our opinion, of course, and I think we would all be on the same page, a lot more legal citizens in upstate. And so therefore representative wide based off the total population. There should be more waiting for upstate voters, of course, since that's how this goes down. So this is the whole ball game, Steve. I mean really it is. When you look at what we can accomplish for this generation. We've always talked about ending the modern Democrat party as we know it on this show, Steve. And this is exactly how we would do it. And of course they're absolutely spiraling and melting down and I'm going to get blown up with people. But all this is legal. It's going to get tested in the courts. Maybe we don't win the Supreme Court, maybe we do. But hey, it's our obligation as conservatives to push forward, to protect this MAGA agenda, to provide this once in a lifetime opportunity to reshape the country. Steve because it's not going to be able to happen all in one year. I mean, we need as many as we can get.
Alex DeGrasse
Years, of course, yeah, it's, it's legal and it's fair. Alex, where do people go on social media to follow you? Because the battle is engaged. The opening salvo is in the great state of Texas. But folks, this is going all over this great union of ours, the great fight of modern politics. Get a real fair count of where American citizens live and how they can get fairly represented in the House and in the Senate. Sir, where, where do people get you on social media?
Stephen K. Bannon
I'm at the grass 81, I'm at Degrasse 8120 on, on Instagram, I'm on getter x everything truth. Thank you, Steve. It's really important, you know, let's keep the pressure on tax because I'm not an expert there, but you know, some of the Republicans, they're a disaster. So we got to keep that going, make sure we land the plane here, because if not there, then everything kind of stops, of course, in the short term at least.
Alex DeGrasse
But yeah, terrible, weak, weak republic. Thank you. Alex De Grasse. Short commercial break we're going to the Lone Star State next and we're also going to stop by Georgia in the War room. What if he had the brightest mind in the war room, delivering critical financial research every month? Steve Bannon here. War Room listeners know Jim Rickards. I love this guy. He's our wise man. A former CIA, Pentagon and White House advisor with an unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets, Jim predicted Trump's electoral college victory exactly 3:12 to 2:26, down to the actual number itself. Now he's issuing a dire warning about April 11, a moment that could define Trump's presidency and your financial future. His latest book, MoneyGPT, exposes how AI is setting the stage for financial chaos, bank runs at lightning speeds, algorithm driven crashes and even threats to national security. Right now, War Room members get a free copy of MoneyGPT when they sign up for Strategic Intelligence. This is Jim's flagship financial newsletter, Strategic Intelligence. I read it. You should read it. Time is running out. Go to rickardswarroom.com that's all one word. Rickards war Room records with an S. Go now and claim your free book. That's Rickards War room dot com. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, we're going to go to Georgia. We're going to go to Texas. In a moment, Brian Harrison joins us. I want to bring in, though, Christina Bobb we had and I don't even want to play the clip, but Cosmo man, who the former lieutenant governor of Georgia that abandoned, abandoned maga, abandoned President Trump, tried to work overtime to steal the 2020 election. He's now officially said what was quite evident for a long time, Christina. He's joined the Democratic Party, right?
Christina Bobb
Yes, that's true. It's an amazing story. I'm so excited to see it. Yes, he abandoned the Republican Party, the conservatives, the MAGA base. He abandoned all of his constituents long before Donald Trump was even on the picture, according to his latest article at the Atlanta Journal Constitution. I mean, he was crying about policy, but in reality, it's about power. This is an old school rhino Republican stronghold in Georgia that has been pushing out the American people and thank God to the war room posse and folks, you know, that listen to the show and other MAGA folks that have been putting the pressure on them for years and years and years and they are finally, finally abandoning ship. Keep the pressure up. Let's get rid of the rest of them.
Alex DeGrasse
Yeah, but this, and this is why you have a, you have two, think about it for a second. In Georgia, you have two Democrats in the Senate. This is what I was just saying a second ago with the, the new census and not counting illegal aliens, it's stunning that Georgia, because this is because the RINO established, the RINO establishment in Georgia would rather have two Democrats, I think both of them pretty radical, two radical Democrats in the U.S. senate than have, than have MAGA U.S. senators. And Kosmo man is the epitome of this, is he not 100%.
Christina Bobb
This is the worst of the worst. There's no way that you have Republicans completely in control of the state and then Democrats, radical Democrats, Democrats running the federal office. And that's likely. And I don't know, my speculation about him switching parties is likely because he knows that he can't win in a state office and he doesn't want to go back down to a county. He doesn't want to go in the opposite direction. And so in order to potentially run for Senate or do something at the federal level, he has to be in the Democrat Party because he can't make it in the Republican Party anymore. And you've got the Republicans that are currently in office, for example, Chris Carr, the attorney general, everybody forgets the fanny Willis case in Atlanta is still open. I know she's a hot mess of a train wreck that's falling apart, but they haven't closed it. And Chris Carr, the Republican attorney general, who could look at this and say, yeah, it was not really right for you to hire your boyfriend to take kickbacks to prosecute your political opponents that you fundraised off of. He could do something about that and he's chosen not to. And it's the same group of Republicans that have been in control of Georgia. And this is a very good sign that they're looking for a place to go because they know it's not sustainable to continue to do what they're doing in Georgia.
Alex DeGrasse
Before I let you go, because you're very intimately involved in this, John Solomon is going to join us with an update about he thinks Obama made inadvertently laid out a smoking gun here. Are you still and we've talked about this. We got to stick the landing. And Axios actually had a great story. I've got it up in Getter. It's a really good story, I think yesterday that finally got up this morning about how MAGA is really completely focused on sticking the landing here on these prosecutions for seditious conspiracy. Are you still getting a sense this is moving with the urgency that we need?
Christina Bobb
Yeah, I think it is. You know, I'll never be satisfied that it's moving fast enough, but I do believe that they are moving it forward. And I think this is probably one of the most, if not the most pivotal issues for President Trump in this term. It will be what he's remembered by and it's what we need him to handle because if he doesn't complete this in his first term, nobody's going to come behind him and clean it up after him. So. So I don't care whoever you love in MAGA world to take his place. They just can't do it. So this is a very important issue. They can't move fast enough. But I do think they're on pace.
Alex DeGrasse
Take down the deep state. Christina, you got a new book coming out in September. It's got amazing cover, I think Shop our own Dan Fluitt, our film producer. Did we get it? Can we put the book cover up? And Christina, what's your social media? Where do they go to get your book and where do they go to get you?
Christina Bobb
Yep, it's available for presale on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, wherever books are sold, you can find me on social media. Hristinabob It's a very important book. Please, I want everyone to know the inside story of everything that has happened and why this prosecution, potentially in Florida of these deep state folks is so, so important. So, thank you.
Alex DeGrasse
Thank you, ma'.
Stephen K. Bannon
Am.
Alex DeGrasse
Thank you for joining us in Georgia. Good Lord, how do we have two radical Democrat senators down there? It's absolutely disgusting in a state that is one of the greatest MAGA states around. The same problem, though, with the establishment we got in. Do we have a call open for Harrison? Can we go and play that? Do we have it? Let's play. Let's get some clips of Brian Harrison and let's bring him on. Let's play the clips.
Stephen K. Bannon
Donald Trump ordered new congressional maps in Texas. Democratic lawmakers said that that was an.
Brian Harrison
Undemocratic move and they left the state.
Stephen K. Bannon
So as to delay a vote, and now they're threatened. Redistricting is a normal course of events. Partisan gerrymandering is not.
Brian Harrison
And this whole thing, the President telling.
Stephen K. Bannon
Members of the Texas legislature to take.
Brian Harrison
Steps to preserve the Republican majority in the House of Representatives by adding more.
Stephen K. Bannon
Seats, this is all part of the slow drip of creeping authoritarianism.
Brian Harrison
We saw another example of this with the firing on Friday of the Bureau.
Stephen K. Bannon
Of Labor Statistics commissioner. Most people did not know Erica Mentor McIntar, the BLS commissioner who was.
Brian Harrison
And even now, most people be hard to remember her name or face, let alone any other former commissioners or know what the BLS actually does. But Donald Trump didn't like the numbers.
Stephen K. Bannon
That her agency released, and so he fired her because he should control that information, Right? So the concept here that I think is important is one that my colleague at the University of Toronto, Luke Nguyen, devised called competitive authoritarianism. You make it seem like there are still elections, but you cook the elections in advance. We've seen this in Hungary, the intense gerrymandering, that's what we now have here. They're basically saying, you know, as the President himself said, you know, don't worry about the midterms. We've got this covered, right? And it's explicit gerrymandering. The problem is we've let this happen in state after state. So now people will say, okay, you know, there's a partisan gerrymander over here, but what you need to look at is the percentage of people who vote Democratic and whether that vote Democrat and the percentage of people who vote Republican and see if that is reflected in the division in the state legislature, in the, in the, in the congressional body that the state sends to. To Congress. So look at a state like North Carolina, right, which is split 50, 50 Democrats, Republicans among the voters and often.
Brian Harrison
Will elect statewide a Republican governor, Republican attorney. Sorry, a Democratic attorney general and Democratic governor.
Stephen K. Bannon
And yet they have a super majority of Republicans in the legislature. Exactly. This is that gerrymandering. By no sense of the imagination of democracy. It is just like there's no way North Carolina should be a toss up. North Carolina should be a toss up, not a super majority Republican legislature. They shouldn't have. I forget exactly split of congresspeople, but it's something like 11 to 3 or some extreme skew. I'm not sure exactly, but some extreme skew. That's what we've seen. That's what we now see. What we're going to see is much worse than that sort of thing in Texas. A much more extreme version of the kind of partisan gerryman we already have. And none of this is a democracy.
Brian Harrison
Hey, howdy, neighbors. Brian Harrison here walking out of the Capitol for a quick minute. Just want to keep pushing an idea out there because we're day three, this quorum break, and so far, all talk and no action out of the Texas government. Unfortunately. No punishments of any kind. Okay? No. No arrests. No chairmanships have been lost. Hell, they haven't been. The Democrats don't even have their parking spots taken away. Okay, this is. I'm sick of the talk. I want action. So here it is. Let's fight fire with fire. Get this going. For every one week the Democrats are gone, one more Republican seat gets added to the map. So they're gone one week. Instead of our new maps having five more Republican seats, they're going to have six Democrats gone two weeks. Well, we went from plus five to plus seven. It's time to play hardball. I'm sick of the Democrats fighting harder for the future of Texas than Texas Republicans are. Let's change that. Let's get this going. For every week they're gone, let's amend the map. One more Republican seat. Let me know what you think. Talk to y' all soon.
Alex DeGrasse
Okay, Brian Harrison joins us now. It's been performance art by the senior members of the GOP in Texas. So what's the action plan? The Warren Posse is prepared to do whatever it's got to do to make sure we're taking action. Because as Alex De Grasse just laid out, we have a historic opportunity, an inflection point in modern America to actually potentially with the Supreme Court, the Voting Rights act, the new midterm census. We have fought for day one to do it right. We blinked in 2017. And 2018, because of Wilbur Ross and the people over at the Commerce Department. President Trump wants it with no illegal aliens in it. We have, he thinks, 40 to 45 seats potentially. But you got to start in Texas, and you got to start with action. Brian Harrison, your thought, sir?
Brian Harrison
Well, we need action. But I got to tell you, Steve, it's great to be with you, but I'm kind of upset at you. I don't think I'm ever going to be able to get back the brain cells you made me lose by listening to that MSNBC panel right before I came on here. Okay. And like, I got to say something about that.
Alex DeGrasse
Okay.
Brian Harrison
I pulled some numbers here because they're talking about this extreme gerrymandering. They're so mad in Texas. And one of these. One of these morons on MSNBC actually said, well, the. The congressional map should be mirror, sort of the voting percentages in the state. So I pulled the numbers while he was talking. Here, read this real quick. California Republicans make up 40% of the vote. They get 17% of the seats. Because they never talk about it when the Democrats do this. Never, never a word. It's only Republicans. Okay? Massachusetts Republicans make up 35% of the vote. They get zero congressional representation. Connecticut Republicans are 38%. They get zero seats. New York, 42% of the vote is Republican. They get 26 seats. Seats, percentage of the seats. Maryland Republicans are 38% of the vote. Republicans get 12% of the seats. New Mexico, 44% of the votes Republican. Zero congressional seats. I could go on for pages here. Okay, so, like, America needs to know.
Alex DeGrasse
Hang on, hang on. I just. I just brought. I just brought it. Yeah, I just brought up with Degrasse, all of New England. All of New England. Yeah, all the states. I think the average is 40%, 38 to 40% of Republicans. There's not one Republican in the entire congressional delegation of the entire New England. Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut.
Brian Harrison
Well, and right. They're trying to make this. There's this whole national narrative that these Democrats. If Texas redraws our maps, okay. Something we should have done before now. If Texas redraws their maps, the Democrat states are going to fight fire with fire. They're going to have to respond. Well, not only are the Democrats hypocrites, not only are they dishonest, they're also stupid. And they can't do math. The Democrat governor of Massachusetts said that if Texas redraws their maps to maximize Republican advantage, she's going to take on redistricting. In Massachusetts. But I guess she doesn't know that. She's already gerrymandered every single Republican seat out of the state. So what is her position? She wants negative Republican congressional representation. This is insanity. But no, here's actually the list, Steve, to your point, the following states have zero Republican seats in the US Congress. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Hawaii, New Mexico, Connecticut and Delaware. Zero Republican seats because they've already gerrymandered the hell out of their state. So here's the dirty little secret. Democrats, including my hypocritical Democrat House colleagues that are hiding behind Governor Pritzker up in Illinois, they have no problem with states redrawing their maps to maximize partisan political advantage. They're just mad that a Republican state is finally getting around to doing what their voters want as well. So, yeah, so that's the background. Sorry, I just, you made me endure the MSNBC panel, Steve, so I had to say something about that.
Alex DeGrasse
But in Texas, Brian Hanger Hang, hang on one second. Hang on. So before I get that, I'm gonna take a break. When we come back, you're still gonna have to deal with the panel because I got to have you. We're going to take a short break. When we come back, the question I'm going to give you now to think about it is it what NORM ORNSTEIN it gives us competitive authoritarianism. Take your number two pencil out and write it down. We got a new concept, competitive authoritarianism. That's what, that's what, that's what we're trying to do here. These guys are beauties, like he said, they're radical, they're ridiculous, and they're dumb at the end of the day. And that's one of the great strengths we've got. The MAGA movement is not short. Commercial break Brian Harrison In Texas, where the fight is fully engaged, I think we're kind of going to this fight with one boot off, as they used to say. You know why? Because the rhinos are not don't have her back on this, but they're going to Birch Gold. Take your phone out. Text Bannon B A N N O N 989898 the ultimate guide for Investing in Gold and Precious Metals in the Age of Tropical up it's totally free and completely informative. Short break. Hey, I realize you got many choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service, and there are new ones popping up all the time. But here's the truth. There's only one that boldly stands in the gap for Every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for. And that's the team at Patriot Mobile. For more than 12 years Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines of fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three of the main networks. Don't just take my word for it. Ask the hundreds of thousands of Americans who've made the switch and are now supporting causes they believe in. Simply by joining Patriot Mobile switching is easier than ever. Activate in minutes from the comfort of your own home. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. Patriot Mobile's all US based support team is standing by to take care of you. Call 978 Patriot today or go to patriotmobile.com Bannon that's patriotmobile.com Bannon use the promo code Bannon for a free month of service. That's patriotmobile.com bannon or call 972 Patriot and make the switch today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Okay, Brian Harrison joins me again. Brian Cornyn has just, Senator Cornyn just announced that the FBI will, will engage in getting these folks back, these recalcitrant, gutless Texas House Democrats from Illinois. There's a clip and we're going to, as soon as we get it booted up, we'll play it. Competitive authoritarianism. What? Msnbc. They've kind of become untethered to reality. What are they, what are they doing? What, what is going on here? How they try, they're trying to frame it. In what way?
Brian Harrison
I was upset at you at the start of the last segment. You're going to make me start the second segment still talking about msnbc. Good grief, Steve. But, okay, let's do this. I love it. If that's the new term competitive authoritarianism, let them run with it. Because what these morons don't understand, they accidentally did. If they're going to take that term, it's an admission that they've been. The Democrats have been practicing unilateral authoritarianism for the last 10 years because it's been blue state after blue state after blue state that has gerrymandered almost all Republican seats out of their congressional map. So if they're finally saying, okay, wait a second, well, if Texas is doing something like what we've been doing for 10 years, well, now it's competitive. Cool. Thank you for admitting for the first time, albeit inadvertently to America that you guys have been unit unilaterally practicing your brute, thuggish authoritarianism for the last decade. So bring it On I'm happy for this term to stick around.
Alex DeGrasse
Talk to us now about you did this, you did this walk and talk because they still have their parking spaces, which is the lowest hanging fruit. Guys, if we can't take the parking spaces away, what are we going to do? But I want to go through the whole punch list, including the governor and these guys have got. If they're going to, if they're going to screw around and take weeks after week after week and slow this process down and not get to things like property taxes and not get to the, to the resources places like Kerrville need and all the kind of response. If they're not going to do that property taxes, we got to start taking additional seats. So walk through your punch list of what we have to do because the posse's up on the ramparts today and ready to roll.
Brian Harrison
So I just tweeted this out a few minutes ago. Sort of my. Every morning I'm giving, I'm updating the statistics. Okay. On what is actually going on in terms of punishment for the Democrats. But before I get to this punch list, there's two things that I think are the easiest. Low hanging fruit. You don't need the courts for this. Number one is the thing I mentioned in the video that you aired, which is like if the Democrats are going to play hardball, I'm sick of it only being the Democrats, especially in Texas where establishment Republicans usually do the Democrats bidding and then blame the Democrats. Okay, let's at. Look, the time for that crap is over. Hardball. Every week the Democrats are gone, the governor, Speaker, Lieutenant Governor, we should announce we're emitting the map. One more Republican seat. So they've gone one week. Quite frankly, by tomorrow we should add one more seat which would give us a six seat advantage instead of five. The Democrat. That would hurt. That would terrify the Democrats and we could do it. We don't need the courts for that. Number two, why has the governor, Lieutenant governor or speaker not come out and do something that is 100% within their power and just pledge to preemptively and automatically kill, veto or stop any future bill by any one of these rogue Democrats who is abdicating their constitutional responsibility? The governor could say, as long as I'm governor, any bill with your name on it, automatic veto. Lieutenant Governor and speaker can say any bill with your name on it will never see the light of the day in the Texas House or Texas Senate. None of that's happened. And then here's the tweet with the checklist every morning. All right, the number of seats that have been ordered vacate vacated. Because remember, there were these big threats days ago. So if 3pm Monday or Tuesday deadline vacated. Well, how many seats have been ordered vacated? Zero. The governor has requested the courts think about vacating one. But like, okay, who knows what the courts are going to do? Number of charges filed against any of these Democrats, Zero. The number of arrests. Zero. The number of budgets that have been cut. We can slash the budgets to their office easy. 0. The number of parking spots if they can't. If we can't even touch their damn parking spot. Please stop with the pretense that you're serious. Seniority. Some of these Democrats have high seniority that lets them get big palatial offices, plush prime committee assignments. We could strip that away, no problem. Speaker could do it by himself. The number of offices that have been defunded, Zero. The number of Democrat staffers that have been axed, zero. Punishments of any kind, Zero. But the number of sternly worded press statements, Countless. Okay, that's the update. So we need action. I'm sick of the talk. If you can't do the basics, take their seniority, pull them off their plush committee. Steve Gene Wu, the chairman of the House Democrat caucus, who by the way, is the one person the governor has asked the courts to think about maybe vacating. He still holds a co chairmanship of a Texas House committee and is still on the committee on redistricting. Think about that. The head of the Democrat caucus is still partially in charge of the redistricting process in the Texas House of Representatives. You can't make this up. Texas voters are sick of it. They're sick of empty rhetoric. They want bold action. They voted for bold leadership when they reelected Trump with 14 points here in Texas. And here's my message, okay. To leadership in Texas. Number one, we know you could have stopped this if you'd wanted to. The speaker of the House could have locked the doors last Wednesday and enforced quorum. So the elected Republican leadership. We know you could have stopped this if you wanted to. Number two, we know you've got all the tools you need to end it whenever you want. Why are you not using those tools?
Alex DeGrasse
Where do people go? I want them to go to your social media to get up on all your Twitter. Can you put the numbers up? They should be calling the Warren Posse. It's got their finger on the trigger and wants to roll on this this morning. So where they go, Brian?
Brian Harrison
Yeah, you bet.
Alex DeGrasse
Oh, there we go.
Brian Harrison
And we'll shoot the number. We'll shoot the numbers over to you. To you guys, too. But my ex, if you go to X, my feed, if you want ground truth on what's going on here, Brian E. Harrison on X. Brian E. Harrison on X. Brian E. Harrison on X. And guys, please go there, like follow and share, because I'm not, I'm not kidding, guys. There is nothing in the Austin swamp more hated than my. My Twitter feed or my X feed. And I gotta say, Steve, as always, as always, I appreciate what you and the posse have done because you and the posse, and you know, because we met a couple weeks ago, y' all were ahead of the curve on this and whatever victories. If this thing ends tomorrow, if it ends whenever it ends, if there's anything good that's going to come out of this, it's only going to happen not because the Austin establishment finally gets around to doing the right thing. No way. They never do. The only way the Austin establishment ever does anything bold, conservative, Republican is when they are forced to by the pressure of grassroots activists in Texas and across the country, letting them know that our eyes are on you and you have no excuses. So thank you. You and the posse, you're already making a difference, I promise you. So keep it up. Do not let the pressure off. Texas Republicans can end this whenever they want. Keep the pressure on.
Alex DeGrasse
Thank you. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. If Denver can put back up the. On the screen, the. The numbers right there. Let's get the phone numbers up. Break the there. We'll leave it with that. Amazing grassroots. The only time these rhinos that run the state respond is when you put the tip of the bayonet right in the back and nudge them along. So let's nudge them today. Let's make some phone calls. Let's let them know it's August. But, people, the eyes of the nation are upon the great state of Texas. We're going to take a short commercial break here of the Right stuff, the magnificent book, the classic movie, the incredible score. Got to watch that this weekend. Stick around. Back in a moment. You missed the IRS tax deadline. You think it's just going to go away? Well, think again. The IRS doesn't mess around and they're applying pressure like we haven't seen in years. So if you haven't filed in a while, even if you can't pay, don't wait and don't face the IRS alone. You need the trusted experts by your side. Tax Network usa. Tax Network USA isn't like other tax relief companies. They have an edge, a preferred direct line to the irs. They know which agents to talk to and which ones to avoid. They use smart, aggressive strategies to settle your tax problems quickly and in your favor. Whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million, Tax Network USA has helped resolve over $1 billion in tax debt. And they can help you, too. Don't wait on this. It's only going to get worse. Call Tax Network USA right now. It's free. Talk with one of their strategists and put your IRS troubles behind you. Put it behind you today. Call Tax network USA at 1-800-958-1000. That's 800-958-1000 or visit Tax Network USA tnusa.com Bannon do it today. Do not let this thing get ahead of you. Do it today.
Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room - Episode 4689: Lies Behind Gerrymandering In Texas; The True Fight For 2026
Release Date: August 7, 2025
Host/Author: WarRoom.org
Title: Lies Behind Gerrymandering In Texas; The True Fight For 2026
In Episode 4689 of Bannon’s War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves into the intricate issues surrounding gerrymandering in Texas and the broader implications for American politics heading into 2026. The episode features insightful discussions with contributors Brian Harrison, Alex DeGrasse, and Christina Bobb, addressing topics from the affordability crisis and inflation to the strategic maneuvers of the Republican Party in redistricting efforts.
The episode opens with Stephen K. Bannon addressing the inherited affordability crisis in the United States. He emphasizes the importance of tackling inflation as a primary step towards easing this crisis.
Brian Harrison supports this view, highlighting the necessity to halt inflationary trends.
Bannon further outlines two primary methods to address the affordability crisis: stopping inflation and achieving strong real wage gains, leveraging what he terms a "manufacturing renaissance."
A significant portion of the discussion centers on the anticipated meeting between former President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. This meeting aims to negotiate peace deals amidst the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.
Bannon notes the preliminary steps taken by Trump’s envoy, Steve Witkoff, in Moscow, describing the meeting as "highly productive" with substantial progress made.
The uncertainty surrounding the exact timing and conditions of the bilateral meeting is also discussed, with mention of potential discussions involving Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
A central theme of the episode is President Trump’s initiative to conduct a mid-decade census, diverging from the constitutional mandate of a decennial count.
Bannon references the Constitution to argue the legitimacy of the census, emphasizing the traditional ten-year interval.
Brian Harrison adds context, explaining the potential timing and conditions for the census.
Further discussion highlights the political motivations behind the census, particularly the exclusion of illegal immigrants to influence congressional representation and federal funding allocations.
The episode extensively covers gerrymandering, especially in Texas, and its implications for future elections.
Bannon and his guests debate the bipartisan nature of gerrymandering, citing historical instances where both Republicans and Democrats have manipulated district boundaries to their advantage.
Alex DeGrasse emphasizes the systemic issue, comparing current practices to historical redistricting and its effects on political representation.
The discussion underscores the potential loss of Democratic seats due to effective Republican redistricting, projecting a shift that could alter the balance of power in Congress significantly.
A controversial segment addresses Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s decision to cut funding for mRNA vaccine development.
Experts and contributors criticize the move, arguing that it hampers progress in vaccine innovation and public health.
The debate highlights the tension between political decisions and scientific advancement, with Bannon attributing the cut to political convenience rather than evidence-based policy.
The latter part of the episode focuses on actionable strategies to counteract Democratic control through redistricting and other political maneuvers.
Harrison outlines a "punch list" for Republicans to effectively counteract Democratic tactics in Texas, advocating for proactive measures rather than reactive ones.
The discussion includes strategies to enforce stricter control over the redistricting process, eliminate Democratic influence, and ensure Republican dominance in future elections.
Episode 4689 of Bannon’s War Room provides a comprehensive analysis of the ongoing battle against gerrymandering in Texas and its ripple effects across American politics. Through strategic redistricting, initiatives like the mid-decade census, and addressing internal political challenges, the episode outlines a roadmap for the Republican Party to reclaim and maintain political power leading into the 2026 elections. Notable quotes throughout the episode underscore the urgency and strategic planning required to navigate these complex political landscapes.
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Disclaimer: This summary is based on the provided transcript and aims to encapsulate the key discussions and viewpoints presented in the podcast episode. It reflects the perspectives and statements made by the speakers during the broadcast.