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Episode 4695: Remembering Nagasaki 80 Years Ago Today
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Steve Bannon
Destroy or enslave the Japanese people, but only surrender can prevent the kind of ruin which they have seen come to Germany as a result of continued useless resistance.
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Dave Brat
Would have been sooner, but I guess there's security arrangements that unfortunately people have to make. President Putin, I believe, wants to see peace, and Zelensky wants to see peace.
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Claire Pascal
Trump says Putin wants to see peace. Of course, if Putin really did want peace, he could call off his deadly war at any moment, but he hasn't. And that's because Trump revealed what Putin wants in exchange for stopping the bloodshed.
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Dave Brat
You're looking at territory that's been fought over for three and a half years with, you know, a lot of Russians have died, a lot of Ukrainians have died. So we're looking at that, but we're actually looking to get some back and some swapping.
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Claire Pascal
Let's be clear here, though, that is swapping Ukrainian sovereign territory seized by Russia by force, displacing countless Ukrainians and looking cities, leaving cities looking like that there, killing an estimated 13,000 civilians, according to the U.N. now, a source tells CNN that Putin and Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, discussed an end of the fighting if Ukraine were to cede control of all of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in eastern Ukraine, land mostly under Russian control, as well as Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed back in 2014. As for Putin, he has never been shy when it comes to what his true intentions are when it comes to Ukraine.
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Dave Brat
Russia isn't capturing territory. We are returning what's rightfully ours.
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Steve Bannon
After Hiroshima, Tokyo wondered when the next atom bomb would fall. They did not wonder long because the President delivered an ultimatum. Surrender or face complete destruction. The Japanese ignored the ultimatum. It was evident that atomic power to break the enemy must become The Tale of Two Cities. Nagasaki was selected to become target city number two. Exactly three days after Hiroshima, a B29 set out for Nagasaki. Instructions were precise. To the north, Japan's greatest torpedo plant. To the south, steel and arms works were located in the heart of the city. The bomb was aimed midway between the two plants to cause greatest possible damage. Because the plants were located in a valley, surrounding hills shielded most residential areas and concentrated the damage on the industrial section. At 10:58, the morning of August 9, the bomb was exploded above the city. And in the towering mushroom, Japan could read its doom. This was more than a routine bombing. It was the funeral pyre of an aggressor nation. The bomb had been purposely exploded high so that the greatest part of its radioactive material was dissipated.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
In the stratosphere Matthew, can you take.
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Tom Danz
Us through Israel's plan and give us.
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Dave Brat
A sense of the reception it's been.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
Met with from the international community?
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Alec Velshi
Yeah, well, we don't have all the details of the plan. What we do know is that it's supposed to get underway on October the seventh. That date was, was, was picked on purpose, of course, to coincide with the two years since the massacres led by Hamas in southern Israel. We know that it's going to involve the mass movement of people from, from Gaza City, which is the most densely populated area of the Gaza Strip, still not under full Israeli military control, move them out to the south of Gaza where they're going to set up humanitarian sort of evacuation centers where people can get supposedly some kind of humanitarian aid there which Israel says it will provide and it would clear the way in Gaza City. This is the theory for Israel's military to attack and destroy Hamas finally, after nearly two years of trying to do that. I guess the problem is that from a Palestinian humanitarian point of view, you know, the cure for the disease is as bad as the disease itself. It's going to involve, I expect, everybody expects a great deal of displacement of Palestinian people, many of whom have been displaced many times before. It's going to mean no humanitarian aid for people who stay in Gaza City and it's probably going to mean a lot more deaths as well. We've seen tens of thousands of people killed so far. That's likely to continue from an Israeli point of view. And the vast majority of Israelis, remember, are totally against this plan. They see this as a potentially a death sentence for the hostages that are still being held inside the Gaza strip. There are 20 of them who are still, still believed to be alive. They 50 in total, but 20 still believed to be alive. And of course, the country is utterly exhausted after nearly two years of constant wars in Gaza, in Lebanon, in Syria or recently in Iran as well. And they just want the country to return to some kind of normality. There's only one real group in Israel that, that wants this and that's the hard line right wing coalition partners of Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister. They've been pushing hard for a full occupation of Gaza for a long time now. They want to build Jewish settlements there. They're saying that, that publicly and you know, if they leave, if Netanyahu loses their support, his government could fall. And so this is being seen by many Israelis as a political move rather than a necessary one.
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Gillian Tett
There will be some swapping of territories to the betterment of Both referring obviously to Russia and Ukraine. What's going on here? Where is this headed? The president's now going to decide who gets what. Well, this is like, I mean, the idea that somehow Donald Trump is at the center of geopolitical conflicts and is the person that is now apparently, according to reporting that we have this evening, going to be sitting down with Vladimir Putin to hash out an agreement over Ukraine somewhere in Alaska. I mean, this is pretty much a nightmare from any foreign policy vantage point. The fact that the White House is even announcing that the President may meet with Putin without any concessions that we've been told of is like a huge legitimization of a dictator that for a long time, several decades, has been one of our number one geopolitical adversaries. So, like, just on off the bat stuff, it's a disaster. And the idea that somehow Donald Trump is going to be operating without Zelensky and perhaps without Zelensky's buy in, in the best interest of the Ukrainian people is nightmarish. Not just for the people who have suffered through this hellish war, but it's also a huge line in the sand for Europe. And it's what it means to be a democracy in the west in the age of Trump, which is to say, you can get sold up the river quite easily without any guarantees of your survival if it serves the ego of the President of the United States. I mean, I cannot underscore enough how dangerous and treacherous all of this is. And the idea that Trump, who has never really had a plan for anything at C. The first conversation this hour is going to approach this in the sort of slap dash, shoot from the hip manner he approaches. Everything else is, you know, it's a desperate hour for not just Ukraine, but like I said, I think the entire global community that values liberal democracy. Liberal democracy.
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Steve Bannon
From the air, the skeletons of the Mitsubishi plants made evident that Nagasaki's war making power was totally destroyed. For the valley area of little more than three square miles, blast and fire reduced the industrial plants and surrounding buildings to blackened rubble. The Mitsubishi steel and arms works extended almost a mile in length. Before the blast, these were modern buildings, constructed like our own American factory factories. Closer examination of the ruins shows the same complete destruction that characterized the ruins of Hiroshima. Damage to equipment and machinery used in the manufacture of naval rifles, AA guns and heavy artillery was such that even if Japan had determined to commit suicide by continuing resistance, she could not have salvaged much from the ruins.
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Julia Chatterley
Oh, that is throwing down the gauntlet yet again to Europe and elsewhere and you know, that is creating another nightmare, quite frankly. But can I just go back and quickly talk about Trump and Putin? Because I spent years of my life in the former Soviet Union and I still watch a lot of Russian television and someone should tell President Putin, sorry, sorry, President Trump, a terrible slip there, President Trump that, you know, on the nightly television shows in Moscow in recent months, Vichier and things like that, they actually discuss very openly the idea that actually Russia thinks it should own Alaska. Russia has been incredibly expansionist in its rhetoric in the last few months. And so the idea of sitting down in Alaska, of all places, where people have been saying on Russian TV shows like this on Russian television saying, you know, actually we think we should take back Alaska shows just how either willfully blind people in the White House are to the mentality of the Russian leadership right now or they just don't care and they're trying to strike a deal directly with Putin.
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Dave Brat
Sam It's Saturday, the 9th of August in the year of our Lord 2025 with wars and the rumors of war about. This is the 80th anniversary of the commemoration of the dropping of the second nuclear weapon. It was dropped on Nagasaki. The Japanese has still refused to surrender. We've got a very packed show today, but we're going to start there. And also about Russia and Gaza and all of it. Dave Brett joins me right now. Even as we speak, Steve Witkoff, the president's envoy for all of these deals, is meeting in, I think it's been reported, Ibiza, a resort island off of Spain, with the heads of Qatar. And they're coming up right now with a comprehensive plan that would be an alternative to the Gaza occupation, which has essentially been, as we said, greeted by the world, the chief of staff of the idf, the Israeli army and the rest of the world as maybe not the best idea in the world. We keep saying as long as it's going to depend upon American involvement logistically, which it will, it's a terrible idea. Also, the Russians have put out their titanic forces already trying to destroy this historic meeting. Dare say I dare. I call it a summit. The mainstream media won't call it that. Between Putin of the KGB and Russia and President Donald Trump. A historic meeting in a very historic place. Dave Brett joins with his co host today. We've also got Claire Pascal and Dr. Thayer going to be here to explain all of it about the Pacific War and how the Americans tried to bring that to an end. And also Tom Dance is going to talk to us about Alaska. First of all, we've got a couple minutes here, Dave Bratt. And by the way, I want to give our young charges here in the war Room just another Bravo Zulu for an amazing cold open intercutting so many different parts of history and modern geopolitics. Daybreat, your thoughts on where we are on this 8th commemoration of the bombing of Nagasaki.
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Tom Danz
Yeah, well that. Kudos for the cold open. Cameron, again, that not only just the content but the cultural situation we face ourselves in with these elites commenting. Right. So Hiroshima, Nagasaki, war and then the elites there it was, it was. I can't remember which of them, but she says the. I can't believe this. The President gets to decide what we're going to do in Ukraine. President Donald, he gets to decide what we're going to do. There's been no commentary from the left on the establishment going in. Right. This all started back. We took out mosaddeg with the CIA and MI6. Back with Eisenhower, who went along reluctantly with the CIA, who yanked him in. Right. With MI6. Sound familiar? Same. Same as today. So the President did all that. Then you've got the Bushes and their deal with Gorbachev in 91. No comment on that. And then these elite betters, the Financial Times and she's, you know, they've acted like they're the elitist know it alls. They are. They are the bright ones. They're very smart. Right. They write the A plus paper. But on the wrong subject. If you'll notice, these elite betters don't bring up the thesis statement of our current modern world, which is China. All of these things we're talking about are takeaways, opportunity costs wasted, resources away from our mission statement and our strategic objectives. And so the cold open was just great at showing the irony of our elite betters trying to frame the issues. And they missed the thesis statement. I'm glad you got are with and all that today.
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Dave Brat
Hang on for a second. Dave, you're going to be with me for the next two hours. We're going to get into the MRNA vaccine, all of it here on a Saturday in the War Room. We're going to take a short commercial break. We're going to return. We're going to talk about 80 years ago, the Imperial Japanese High Command and the bombing in Nagasaki. Next in the War Room, according to the Department of Energy, blackouts could increase by 10,000% over the next few years. It's because of massive energy demand from artificial intelligence data centers. We talk about that all the time here in the War Room. And we have a fragile power grid. It just cannot keep up with that demand. I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea of being without power even for a day. That's why I got the grid Dr. 3300 from my patriot supply. It's a powerful solar generator that runs refrigerators, AC units, medical devices, power tools, anything you need to write out a blackout. And right now, for their Christmas in July event, they're including over $1,000 in free survival gear with your generator, including emergency food supply, water filtration, survival tools, and more. You heard that, right. Over a thousand bucks in free gear for a limited time. Head to my Patriotsupply.com Bannon. That's my Patriotsupply.com Bannon and grab the Christmas in July bundle before it's gone. Blackouts are coming. Go to my patronsupply.com Bannon and get prepared. Today, America's Voice Family, are you on Getter yet?
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Okay, if you go to Getter, it's totally free. We're putting up stuff all day long. In fact, during the early morning hours, kind of see some of the general direction of the, of the war room, where the shows are going for the day, what we're covering, make sure you get access to. There is a book of the many thousands or books on World War II. There's one that's particularly good about a history of World War II. And I think Denver will have the COVID here in a moment called Annihilation. It's written kind of in a different framing and talking about how wars and they use World War II as an example, as wars go on because of deaths and destruction and people's families being destroyed and friends being destroyed and hometowns being destroyed, that the natural human element of revenge and vengeance takes over. And that as particularly people and sides dig in, these wars become wars of annihilation. This was what World War II was, and it reached a absolute peak in the bombing of Germany and the Destruction of the Red army in Germany and also in the Pacific theater, where the Japanese, who started the war would not surrender, led to the firebombing of Tokyo by Curtis LeMay and then eventually to the use of tactical nuclear weapons. This is the lesson for today, and this is the big lesson in Ukraine, Remember, as we continue to say, and the only people that really understand how to frame this, this is much deadlier than the early years of the Second World War. From 1939, the invasion of Poland to all the way to the Vermox, Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of Russia. Actually, I would go back and even throw in the Asian part of the war, Manchuria, Nanking and all that, all the bloodshed there from 1935, I guess, on, you still wouldn't get the bloodshed you've seen in the combination of Ukraine and Gaza today. And this is why what President Trump is trying to do is absolutely heroic. And you see right there, particularly in that cold open Stephanie Rule show last night with Wagner and Gillian Tett, absolutely losing it. How can Trump. This is authoritarianism. How can he do this? He's trying to bring these wars to a conclusion before they spin even more out of control than they already are. And in both situations, they're absolutely, totally out of control. And what President Trump's trying to do is absolutely heroic. Right? And there's going to be some speed bumps, obviously, but the world right now is totally against the Europeans. They're meeting, they're trying to come up. There's titanic forces to try to stop this, particularly. They don't want Putin, they don't want the Russian people and the American people to kind of come together and think this thing through, particularly about the Chinese Communist Party. So the infiltration of the west, you're going to see it all in all of its glory between now and the 15th of August. Want to bring in? I'll start with Dr. Bradley Thayer. So frame this for us. Nagasaki. The Japanese got hit by a nuclear weapon in Hiroshima and still would not surrender. We had to go and drop the second nuclear weapon a couple of days later, and still they would not surrender. Go back in time and tell us, put the framing around this, sir.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, Steve, as you said, it's very hard to end wars. It's very hard in particular to end great power wars because of the sacrifices, the blood price, as Clausewitz put it, right, in a great power war, the blood price is going to be very high. So it makes it very difficult to end these conflicts once they've started. So what Nagasaki did. And why it's so significant is after Hiroshima, the second atomic bombing demonstrated the US had this horrific weapon, what the nuclear strategist Bernard Brody would later call the absolute weapon. And the Japanese didn't know how many we had. And in reality, we had about one more that we could have put together really by the end of the month. So the Japanese didn't know how long this was going to go on. And that was critical for convincing the Emperor to intervene and break the deadlock. The Japanese cabinet was broken, was divided between a pro war faction and a pro peace faction, that is, those who wanted to end the war. And the Emperor came down on the side of the pro peace faction, and that broke the deadlock. Once the Emperor conveyed his will, it's very hard for the Emperor to do that. And even when the Emperor did come down, there was an attempted coup by the Japanese army, a small faction within it, which tried to seize the broadcast recording the night of August 14th and 15th, so that the Emperor's peace message, surrender message, could not have been broadcast on August 15, as in fact, it actually was. So the Japanese, of course, were die hard. And so many of them did not want to end the conflict. It took the Emperor's intervention, and as you know, Steve, it was for the first time the Japanese people heard the Emperor's voice ever to actually end that conflict. And of course, it was, of course, very important that he did end it because it had avoided the deaths of so many Americans and the millions of Japanese who would have died as a consequence of it, as well as, of course, it kept the Soviets out of Japan because the Soviets would have invaded northern Japan had the war gone on. And Japan would have ended up divided into a communist north and a free, democratic south, as Germany was divided, of course, and then later as Korea was divided between a Soviet faction, a Soviet proxy, and a pro Western government. So Nagasaki, what we Commemorate today, the 80th anniversary of the bombing of Nagasaki, was supremely important because it ended a war that was devilishly hard to end. And it opened the door to the nuclear era, of course, the era in.
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Dave Brat
Which we live today. Yeah, the reason I wanted to intercut and my team did a great. The team did a great job, was that there was still the Bushido samurai faction that did not want to surrender. Remember, we were fresh out of nuclear weapons. I think we only had two that were operational. And still they got hit. They also. There was also another big bombing took place, but they had been firebombed by Curtis LeMay brutally to try to break their industrial capability in the spring. I think March, the middle of March, is one of the worst firebombings of the world in the history of the war. And still they would not surrender. They got hit with two nuclear weapons, and yet there was still a significant faction of the high command and the Japanese army that just wouldn't put it down. My point is these wars are so hard to stop. This is about the heroic effort of President Trump. Remember, in Ukraine right now, there have been 2 million casualties. That never really gets brought up that much. President Trump says all the time. The Ukrainian actual Zelenskyy's people play down the number of deaths of civilians. And Putin and the KGB never want to let the real facts out of how the Red army or how the Russian army has been. So I don't say inept because they're kind of fighting the way the Russians do, but the casualty rates of the Russians, a huge. President Trump, I think, said last week or two weeks ago, it was like 20,000 over the last couple of weeks. This war in Ukraine is as brutal as anything that was fought in the 20th century. And what's happening in Gaza is as brutal as anything happened in the 20th century. Look at the aerial. I put up some drone footage the other day from, I think had it up on the Guardian, but drone footage, and it looks like Dresden in 1945 and Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. Look, that military capability has got to be taken out, but it's going to be very, very difficult, particularly as you've kind of waited this long to do it and they've had kind of fits and starts, et cetera. So his efforts here in peace are a long way from getting done right. And the key is for America first, is to make sure that we don't get drawn inexorably into these wars. Cleopascal Once again, the part of the world that you're an expert in is front and center on the 80th commemoration because it once again reinforces the importance of the Western Pacific to the strategic interest of the United States of America. One of the reasons, principally because it's United States territory. Right. People have to understand we're not going overseas to do this. This is part of the United States of America. Ma'. Am.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
Yes. Well, Bockscar, which took off to bomb Nagasaki. In fact, I think it was a secondary target because the first one was covered by clouds. Took off from Tinian, which is in the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, which is now in the United States. And it was really very much this geography that allowed the US to be in a position to end the war. And Alaska is a part of that. Billy Mitchell was talking about this well before the war, in the 30s, about how Alaska was pivotal to what we would now call hemispheric defense. It is part of the Pacific. So that whole hemispheric defense concept is very much embedded in a strategic understanding for over 100 years of how the US can be safe. And an interesting thing to me is what happens next about the American way of winning? What happens when you win? And this was something that was put in place with the Atlantic Charter before the US Even entered the war. Because the question is, what are you fighting for? All these people are going to die, families are going to be destroyed, economies are going to be ravaged. What for? And the US and the British put together this Atlantic Charter to say what they were going to fight for. And fundamentally, at least in the Pacific, it is this free and Indo Pacific concept that we're now trying to maintain again.
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Dave Brat
So.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
How do we prioritize what to fight for? How do we make it explicit? I think we need to do it again so we know where we're trying to head. So if we do have to fight, we know where the limits are and what the goals are and you don't end up in this sort of endless war that we're seeing again.
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Dave Brat
Cleo, can you hang on? Dr. Thayer, Tom dance is going to join us. We got Dave Bratt on a Saturday morning, wars and the Rumors of war on the 80th commemoration of the bombing of Nagasaki. Back in a moment. What if he had the brightest mind in the war Room delivering critical financial research every month? Steve Bannon here. War Room listeners know Jim Rickards. I love this guy. He's our wise man. A former CIA, Pentagon and White House advisor with an unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets. Jim predicted Trump's Electoral College victory exactly 312 to 226, down to the actual number itself. Now he's issuing a dire warning about April 11, a moment that could define Trump's presidency and your financial future. His latest book, MoneyGPT, exposes how AI is setting the stage for financial chaos, bank runs at lightning speeds, algorithm driven crashes, and even threats to national security. Right now, War Room members get a free copy of MoneyGPT when they sign up for Strategic Intelligence. This is Jim's flagship financial newsletter, Strategic Intelligence. I read it. You should read it. Time is running out. Go to rickardswarroom.com that's all one word. Rickards war room. Rickards with an S. Go now and claim your free book. That's Rickards war room dot com. Do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Dave, Brad, can you pick up on Cleopascal's brilliance right there about the American way of winning, about ending wars? Because this is what we're talking about here. Folks, let me be blunt. America first is about taking care of business here. But we're not isolationist. The first thing we have to do is extract ourselves from these bloody conflicts in the Middle east and in Eastern Europe that are not in the vital national security interest of the United States. I'm just sorry they're not. So we have to do that and we have to focus on hemispheric defense and we have to prioritize as adults, particularly against the existential threat we have, which is the Chinese Communist Party. Dave Brat, your thoughts?
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Tom Danz
Yeah. Well, thank God for experts like Bradley and Cleo. They're right on the money. I'll just connect a couple dots starting up Bradley at the Japan. Establishment, beware of the establishment versus the wisdom of the emperor. Right. Who's chosen probably has more historical awareness. And the establishment always wants war. That brings us to Zelensky and that choice. The choice there's no choice for peace anymore. Right. The establishment news media in this country never shows you the exact choice. He had a choice, you know, a year or two back maybe for giving up, you know, a bit of the south and maybe a couple of the oblast regions, small territories. Now, the deal for Zelensky is Kiev or no Kiev. Right. It's not a peace deal. It's the survival of Ukraine. And the idea that this, you know, unelected person gets to choose is, is way off base. And then finally our US Establishment to bring us up to the, the modern day, what happens when the dog catches the car? Okay, so our establishment actually wants to go to war against Russia. We're shooting missiles 500 miles in. What's, what's the plan? Our establishment elitists in the news don't tell us that. What's the choice there? What are we going to do? Take Russia and break it up into five pieces? And then what? How's that go? Talk about the war of obliteration. And so that ties into Alaska. If we do a rapprochement with Russia, which would be a very intelligent thing to do, then the Alaska piece probably fades off into some deal that's, you know, that's their key interest. If they want to go head to head with US and we're, we're still abstracting from China. But, yes, President Trump should not be led by the CIA and the establishment who were out to get him, who are out to get you. He knows all this now, but he's got a ton of powerful people pushing him. And everybody pushed, right. They pushed us to lie on the NATO expansion back in 91. Seventeen countries later, we're at the end of the line with Ukraine and Trump does not want to go there. So expert commentary from the experts.
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Dave Brat
Let's bring in Tom Danz. I want to talk about Alaska. In fact, you mentioned what Cleo just said a moment ago, but the Billy Mitchell comment, strategic. I think the governor, Alaska picked up your comment and, and put it up on Twitter today. Alaska is central to hemispheric defense. And folks, you know, and you had John Bolton on last night, you had a bo. You had, excuse me, Biden's former national security advisers on TV non stop saying, oh, this is a huge defeat for Trump to have Putin come to Alaska. What are you talking about? It's absolutely brilliant. People should understand two things that Trump has done that is absolutely brilliant. Number one, he has chosen Alaska right. As the place that they will sit down. Number two, it's on the 15th of August. Hmm. Now, what is that? Oh, yeah, that's the 80th anniversary commemoration of the, of Japan surrendering. Not the formal document that didn't take place until early September, but Japan. The emperor addressing his nation and saying it's over was on the 15th of September, 15th of August. And that's why it's very symbolic, what President Trump's doing. Tom, Dan's Alaska, you've been central to get the American public through the war room up to speed on this. Why is it so brilliant to actually have this meeting between Putin and President Trump in Alaska?
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Unknown Speaker
Well, Steve, thanks. And it's brilliant and as you're called, open well showed. It's terrifying to a lot of people who are highly invested in Russia and America being foes and adversaries. It's because really, this is where the US And Russia come together in our history. And both President Trump and President Putin are keen students of history and they get the significance of it. And both countries have a lot in common. And we're not ever allowed to say this. We can't say this. Russia and the U.S. in a sense, are both pioneer countries. Russia moved eastward, the US Moved westward. Alaska is where they met. And remember the context. People have all heard about Seward's Folly. Just go back in the history here, we're talking about the purchase of Alaska in 1867. Right. This was started that grew out of Russia's problems coming out of losing the Crimean War. So they had some financial difficulties after losing a war against England.
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Dave Brat
Right.
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Unknown Speaker
So all these things kind of go back in time. At that point in time, they had Alexander the Second. The war room posse is well familiar with your admonitions about becoming Russian serfs. Well, guess what happened. Americans all know about the emancipation proclamation of 1862. What they don't know is the emancipation law of 1861 was in Russia when they freed the Serbs. Alexander the Second. Guess what happened to Lincoln. He got killed. Guess what happened to Alexander the Second. He got killed. Right. So this is the same kind of dialectic that you've seen throughout history. And our nations came together and made a trade there and it worked for both sides. And, you know, it's, it's, there's some history there that continued in terms of like where we meet today as we're competing. But we're at our best when we are competing and cooperating.
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Dave Brat
Dare I say it, two Christian nations that would come together, they absolutely hate it. The elites in this country hate it. The elites in Europe hate it. Absolutely hate it, despise it. They want us at war with each other and not focused on our common enemy, the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing and the strategic centrality of Alaska in hemispheric defense. It's quite breathtakingly brilliant of President Trump and also to put it on the 15th of August on the 80th commemoration of the Emperor saying it was over in the Pacific War. Dr. Thayer, any closing thoughts on this? You've done such a great job of putting this together for us and reminding us important we're going to have you on as we do the run up to the 15 August summit with Putin, because we're going to remind people of how this is all inextricably linked because the two great allies of World War II, yes, Britain was our allies, absolutely no doubt about that. But the blood that the Russian army, the Red army shed is what drained the Wehrmacht of their power to really defend the west and allowed us to get to unfortunately not take Berlin for all kind of political reasons, but to drive across Western Europe and actually be part of the taking down of the Nazis and Adolf Hitler. Sir.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, Steve, Alaska's genius from the standpoint of political warfare targeted against the Chinese Communist Party for the reasons that you mentioned, of course, but it also is, and August 15th as well. The end of the the Japanese announcement that they'd accept the Potsdam Declaration and surrender. But it shows that the door is now open to a great improvement in the relationship between Russia and the United States against the ccp. So we're going to end one war, a war that really never should have started with a war between Russia and Ukraine and wouldn't if Trump had been in office. And what we're going to be doing now is moving forward to a great improvement, an entente in the relationship between Russia and the United States directed against the ccp. So very important. It's just genius from the standpoint of political warfare in terms of the location and in terms of the illumination of the next steps to be taken in the fight against the ccp. So absolute genius.
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Dave Brat
Cleo Pascal, you've done such a great job being out there in that part of the western Pacific. Now something so monumental is going to happen on the Pacific Rim and really reinforce the fact that hemispheric defense is centered on the Pacific. Your closing thoughts, ma'?
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Steve Bannon
Am.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
As with the Atlantic Charter at the beginning of the last war, it might be beneficial to start thinking about an Indo Pacific Charter based on what we actually want to see in the Pacific and which allies are ready to sign onto it. This is something that Congress has been looking at actually for decades. Ben Gilman was appropriated money for it. Congresswoman Radwagon from American Samoa has been talking about it recently. This has been bubbling around, but basically to say what is it we would be willing to fight for this time in terms of this hemispheric defense, what it means to us, what what allies are onside? How can we help them to fight to defend themselves and ultimately to defend the things that we believe in and we're willing to die for and are willing to die for. Again, that has to be very clear, not some fuzzy concept or insecurities or cascade that's out of control. Let's try to make it explicit, let's talk about it and figure out what it is that is framing the hemispheric defense to make it so important that we're willing once again to go right up to that line in order to be able to defend it.
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Dave Brat
Cleopascal what is your social media? People want to follow you so where they go, ma', am, for your writings, commentary, observations, all of it, I'm on.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
X just my name Cleopaskal C L E O P A S K A L and again, because somebody took my name on getter, I'm just real Cleo and you can find me in both places.
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Dave Brat
Thank you, ma'. Am. Your travels. You want to follow Cleo's travels, go to Getter and go to Twitter. Dr. Bradley Thayer, where do people get you? You're putting up great stuff every day, including notes of the Third World War because we're in the kinetic part of the third world war which President Trump is trying to end. Ms. Wagner and Ms. Tet over the Financial Times at MSNBC. Where do they go, sir?
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Unknown Speaker
Steve, Brad Thayer on X and Bradley Thayer at Truth and on Getter. Thanks very much, Steve, for calling attention to this. Nagasaki is so important and it reverberates, of course, with the strategic problems and concerns and issues that we have today. Thanks.
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Dave Brat
It's important, folks, because understand you can get firebombed and then hit with two tactical nuclear weapons and still not be ready to surrender. This is a lesson for the modern world, particularly what's happening in these two in Gaza and what's happening in the in Ukraine. And President Trump gets that. So thank you so much, Dr. Thayer. Look forward to seeing both of you guys next week as we do the run up. Cleo and Dr. Thayer will be with us as we do the run up to the summit on the 15th. I want to thank you guys. Tom Danz, you just got back from Alaska. You'll be part of this coverage too because you understand the importance of it, the importance of the Arctic, the importance, the centrality of Alaska in the strategic design of peace for the United States of America, for our hemispheric defense. Where do people go, Tom, to get all your writings and observations?
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Unknown Speaker
Sure. Thanks, Steve. I'm at on Xomdan's cfa.
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Dave Brat
Thank you, brother. Look forward to seeing you next week. This caught people like a thunderclap on a clear summer day. The establishment, the hatred. Last night coming at President Trump, a peacemaker. Think about it for a second. He's trying to bring peace to two areas of the world. And I understand, look, Qatar are I think some of the worst bad hombres on earth. But to understand that you're sitting down with them because they are part of the equation, you just have to embrace that reality, as unfortunate as it is. But to try to do this in the Ukraine war and in the Gaza war after doing this amazing transaction with Azerbaijan in Armenia, it is America first because to get our sorted here, we got to make sure we're not drawn into these wars on foreign battlefields. Short commercial break. You'll see some madness as we come back in a new cold open next. There's a lot of talk about government debt, but after four years of inflation, the real crisis is personal debt. Seriously, you're working harder than ever and you're still drowning in credit card debt and overdue bills. You need Done With Debt and here's why you need it. The credit system is rigged to keep you trapped. Done With Debt has unique and frankly, brilliant escape strategies to help end your debt fast so you keep more of your hard earned money. Done With Debt doesn't try to sell you a loan and they don't try to sell you a bankruptcy. They're tough negotiators that go one on one with your credit card and loan companies with one goal, to drastically reduce your bills and eliminate interest and erase penalties. Most clients end up with more money in their pocket month one, and they don't stop until they break you free from debt permanently. Look, take a couple of minutes and visit DoneWithDebCom. Talk with one of their strategists. It's free, but listen up. Some of their solutions are time sensitive, so you'll need to move quickly. Go to donewithdebt.com that's donewithdebt.com Stop the anxiety, stop the angst. Go to donewithdebT.com and do it.
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Gillian Tett
Today, for example, this is not so much about democracy, but you're seeing just today there was protests and arrests outside immigration courts here in New York City because people are outraged about the abuse of the way that ICE is abusing the court system to trap people. And so again, I mean, I think that there is no need, you know, we've talked in this show. I've been, you know, I've been on MSNBC for years and for a long time we talked about we could be falling into authoritarianism, we could be move, we could be losing our democracy. I mean, now we're in the authoritarian slide and the models for reversing that are not simple. People have tried to prosecute Trump for crimes and other sorts of misdeeds. And so there's not an equivalent in him then trying to prosecute the prosecutors for prosecuting him. And so again, I don't think, I think that trying to be decorous and uphold these norms while this administration goes after them with a sledgehammer, I just don't think it works. That case got him elected.
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Dave Brat
I don't know.
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Gillian Tett
At that point that gave him his redemption narrative. You could argue, argue that that case, you think the case, I think it helped. I think it brought him back from the political dead and it gave him a comeback narrative that his people needed to see after January 6th. So I think that case did a lot for him in the judicial system, for him going and going through it and then being seen as this resurrection figure. So I think that the potency of what happens in the judicial system, I do think it matters when it comes down to the politics of it, too, and how the electorate is going to respond at the end of the day.
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Tom Danz
From New York, I'm Alec Velshi, in for Chris Hayes.
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Claire Pascal
Donald Trump campaigned explicitly on a platform of revenge against his enemies, and now.
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Tom Danz
He is fulfilling that promise.
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Julia Chatterley
My pick is another person who's fought back this week, which is the president of Brazil, Lula, who said he was not going to humiliate himself by just rolling over in the face of Trump's tariffs. Instead, he basically is holding firm. And what's particularly significant is Trump is imposing these tariffs not for economic reasons, but because he doesn't like the way that the judicial system in Brazil is going after the former president, President Bolsonaro. So my pick is Lula from Brazil, who's had the courage to stand up, and let's hope that encourages others.
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Claire Pascal
This kind of rhetoric is nothing new for authoritarians. Benito Mussolini, Italy's fascist dictator for two decades, spoke of Italy's need for an avenger. But the point is the same. I'm going to reward my friends, but more importantly, I am going to punish my enemies. The revenge presidency is here. In some respects, it makes Elise's point Ankush, that these cases, I mean, just start with the first impeachment. The man has weathered all of this stuff. And, you know, he wasn't convicted twice in the Senate on two impeachments. He comes back and he starts as I started this conversation, with I'm your retribution. And to Elisaboth, Alisa and Elisa's point, he, you know, his followers filled in whatever they wanted on that. And so, yes, the retribution some may think is he's out there fighting for them against this big bad government. But Donald Trump is fighting for himself, and he's winning. So that court narrative has played out in sort of a backhanded way to seemingly help him because he's beat the system at every turn.
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Dave Brat
The other meltdown last night was about Letitia James and Shifty Shift. And these investigations now grand juries, criminal grand juries, have been impaneled. They've given the great Ed Martin is now the prosecutor. He's over in main justice as the weaponization czar. He's now after both of these for I Think for loan fraud, right. For taking houses that were not their primary residence and getting loans saying their primary residence. There's much more that's going to come there. Also, what President Trump's doing across the board as he's now winning and going on offense against seditious conspiracy, which they're in total meltdown. This is where we have momentum. We have momentum on redistricting, we have momentum in the courts. And as anybody will tell you, in warfare, you press your bet, you drive it, you drive it, you drive it. Dave. Brat. We're not just winning, we're picking up momentum. We're accelerating at an accelerating rate.
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Tom Danz
Baby, you took my buried lead. I was going to start with a conclusion first. Trump winning, coming from msnbc. I mean, man, that's. It's so good. First. Oh, man.
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Dave Brat
No, I could watch that. We could watch those. We could watch that all day. All day.
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Tom Danz
It's. Yeah. First off, I want to give a shout out to the Dan's brothers, Paul and Dan. Those guys, they got MIT brains, their intellects, they know what freedom and liberty in the USA is all about. So huge shout out to both of the Dan's brothers. Then I'll just start with these clips. I mean, they're just so good. I mean, so we, first of all, democracy is in, in jeopardy. We've got a totalitarian dictator. And then she goes on to prove her point. This is in the context of illegal immigration.
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Dave Brat
J. Baktar.
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Tom Danz
Yeah, illegal immigration. And her subtext is all people matter. This census issue is huge. We've got to fix this. Democracy does kind of imply everybody matters. That's why the other day on the show I brought up, we got to switch the language big time and drill down into this constitutional republic where your representatives represent these things called citizens. That's what we got to get back to. Mike Benz did a deep dive on this a couple years ago, right? The U.S. state Department, USAID, the logic was, and they changed in law, or at least through executive order under Biden, the democracy language, such that democracy would be defined not by the people, but by the institutions set up that protect democracy, including the mainstream media. So that if you went after the mainstream media, you were violating and challenging democracy itself and you could get put behind bars, which you did. So this is just stunning. And then, you know, Financial Times, our intellectual betters, you know, Oxford, Cambridge is reeks of elitism, which I used to like. But she, she says, what? My pick, Lula, right? I don't like Trump, so my pick. So it boils down to this. They're finally letting the buried lead out, right? The mainstream media don't like Trump. My pick doesn't have any. Do the American people, our leaders, nothing. So Trump's winning. That's the great news. We're winning.
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Dave Brat
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